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Debra:
We’re at the entrance of a radical departure from the old operating system. The human condition has been mean, evil, dark, and it’s been hidden. This moment in time of 2026, every outer planet, from Jupiter to Saturn, to Neptune, to Pluto, to Uranus, every one of them for the first time. Are all changing signs in the same year.

Guy:
You’re saying in all the historical data that we got of astrology, this event that’s happening through this year has never happened before.

Guy:
Something is changing right now and most people can feel it. Like a whole way of living is starting to break down. It certainly makes us feel uncomfortable and a sense that you can, you just can’t keep going the way you, you were or are, and that’s what this conversation is all about today with Debra s Silverman, who I invited on the show. Why this period feels so intense and what we’ve called normal might not be something we can go back to anymore. Which is really interesting. Debra spent decades studying human behavior through astrology and psychology, but more than that, she helps make sense of moments like this and when something shifts, and you can feel it in your own life as well. So if you’ve been feeling that this resonates, then this podcast will certainly help you understand why. Enjoy.

Guy:
Debra, welcome to the podcast. My lovely. Okay.

Debra:
Thank you. Thank you.

Guy:
So we’ve, as I was chatting off her as well, and now, now we’re recording and getting it on there. Um, do you know what has occurred to me? ’cause I normally ask the question, like, if you were at an intimate dinner party and you sat next to a stranger of what you did for a living, and I’m, I’m guessing you’d say astrology these days, but I, you know, is the most common question you get asked once they know what you do for a living?

Debra:
Well, they immediately want me to talk about their sign. It’s kind of a joke like, oh, can you tell me about Sagittarius? And then I say, it’s not that simple. There’s lots of, uh, different influences from the moment of your birth to where you were born. There’s some major information that an astrologer needs to calculate or execute a chart. So, and then I have to say to them, no, I’m not giving you a reading. ’cause they always want a reading.

Guy:
Of course, of course. Well, here’s a question for you that’s occurred to me then with that, because I, I dunno what it’s been like for you, but for me, especially this, these last few weeks, I feel like I’ve been squeezed so hard and I’ve popping out the other side of it, right?

Debra:
What.

Guy:
uh.

Debra:
We’re in an eclipse. We’re in between two eclipses right now, and during that time period, it was the 17th until March 3rd. This is the present time eclipse, so it’s been about, I guess two weeks, not even a no a week, and then it lasts all the way through, and it’s always a time of. Manifestation. Transformation, discomfort, things happening. Doors opening, doors closing. That’s what eclipses are. I just read that Diana was born on an eclipse that, that she married the King of England on an eclipse. They got, she died on an eclipse and her daughter-in-law was born on an eclipse. Uh, it was like, I was like reading this, going, this can’t be true, but it is true in the auspicious way that. Events can occur that are, that are transformational under the influence of Eclipse.

Guy:
Holy moly. So I guess my question was then, that was just coming in while I was speaking about it. Depending on when I’m born or when a person is born, would these then, moments in time like this eclipse right now affect us differently depending on our own star sign

Debra:
It affects you differently, but it’s universal that the energies build. So yes, I can look at your chart and get more detailed, but the important part is just to know for anyone. I don’t know when this podcast is coming out, but until March 3rd from the 17th to March 3rd, this is the second eclipse that was the second of two. It always happens during a new moon or a full moon, and it is really significant. It’s interesting that in 1908, Einstein found. E equals mc squared under an eclipse, like it’s, it’s, it’s often that there’s an increase of voltage and it affects every chart, certainly different, but at a universal level, it would simply suggest to your point, like the eye of a needle, like going through something.

Guy:
Fascinating. Okay. And do you feel then while we’re just on this little topic for a moment, This is a unique time in history that as humanity, we are kind of getting burst into something new or

Debra:
Yes.

Guy:
holding up a mirror to see what actually our potential really is as opposed to just,

Debra:
Well, holding up a mirror and showing us all our shadows. That’s first things first. Let’s just know that there’s a pedophile, universal billionaire company, world renowned club that is disgusting, so that would be revealed under this particular moment. We are having an exceptionally unusual 2026. Every astrologer will tell you this. Is the year like 2024. I told everybody you’re gonna sleep through it. It’ll be the last resemblance of normal 2025. It got a little bumpy like uhoh, something feels, and then 2026 was like, okay, let’s hit the ground running as soon as January arrived. So we’re only in February, we’re at the entrance of a radical departure from the old operating system.

The human condition has been mean. Evil, dark, and it’s been hidden, but all of a sudden the people are coming out from underneath the curtain. They’re like, let’s come on out. And secrets are being revealed and discomfort is being activated. Now, for us, the spiritual seekers, you have something in your chart that’s really unusual. It only happens once a year. And on the day you were born, the planet of. Sensitivity or refined access to voices, to spirit, to invisible influences is very strong in your chart. So you can’t get away with playing on the normal trajectory because your sensibility. Came with an extra operate, like an extra sense, like a antenna.

So you’re always picking up vibes and you’re always wondering whose it is. And half the time it’s not yours, but you’re reading the room, you’re reading the time, and yes, your question is truth. This moment in time of 2026. Every outer planet, from Jupiter to Saturn to Neptune, to Pluto, to Uranus, every one of them for the first time are all changing signs in the same year. We have no record of this because in astrology you can look back. It’s pure astronomy, and there is no historical record. Of all the outer planets changing signs in one year, it’s just unheard of. So yes, there’s a astrology explains it and yes, your sensitivity would feel it. And everyone listening to this has particular ways it shows up in their life.

So we can’t be specific today, but we can certainly say is a general rule. Nothing will be the same and a year from now. We’re gonna look back in the winter of 2027 and go that astrologer named it. She said that everything was going to be in flux.

Guy:
That’s wild. So correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re saying all the historical data that we got of astrology, this event that’s happening through this year has never happened before.

Debra:
Well, they said maybe 14,000 years ago it could, like when we look, we don’t have any storyline.

Guy:
Wow. So does that mean we kind of don’t really know what will happen because we haven’t got a storyline from it.

Debra:
Yes, we’re, we’re All we’re feeling is something has to give like the human condition. Brought to us by the overt personality of being kind and respectful and giving. And then the underbelly, what’s under the hood is the unconscious mind, and it’s not serving the humans. So that unconscious, which is in your chart as well, you have Mercury and Scorpio, so your mind, mercury is the mind. Always goes underneath, you’re always picking up things and wanting to drill down into the deeper psychological patterns.

That’s your fascination. I’m sure you’ve had this since you were a kid, and the collective right now is being revealed. I mean, this is what is occurring with, I hate the word pedophile, but it, it’s, it’s a word we’ve never used and now it’s front and center that’s under the hood, so all of a sudden things that we never spoke to that were left to be only secrets. Are getting exposed now. We’re just at the beginning, and the implications of that is a lot of people are gonna speak up and say, yeah, I don’t wanna play the old movie of pretending

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I stopped doing that a long time ago playing the old movie of. Feel like just throughout my journey of migrating from Wales at a young age and, and going out. ’cause all I wanted to know was the truth. Really. Like every,

Debra:
your chair. You are such a seeker.

Guy:
oh mate, from the moment I could remember it was in

Debra:
Yes, that’s called Sagittarius. You have 1, 2, 3 planets in sag and that what I described about Neptune being exact degree. So the sun moves one degree every single day around the sky. It’s as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow. And on December 1st when you were born, we know every year the sun is in Sagittarius. What happened that year that was unusual is the outer planets move very slowly. So Neptune stays in one sign for seven years, but on the day you were born, the Sun and Neptune were at the exact same degree, obviously in different orbs. The sun’s moving this way and Neptunes, but they were at the exact same spot, which means I’ll return again to repeating your Neptune rule sensitivity. And it’s in Sagittarius. It’s the seeker who can’t stand pretending.

Guy:
It feels like, honestly, like this is really uncanny that you’re saying all this because it feels like what’s happening now feels like finally the normal that’s happening

Debra:
For you. It finally feels normal.

Guy:
Right.

Debra:
you just wanna take out all the pretenses and all the masks. You love going deep and really having people reveal, and that’s probably your work is helping people take off their pretense.

Guy:
that’s it. And connecting back to ourselves and through that we connect the spirit as well. And, and

Debra:
Exactly and see how, I don’t really know you guy, but how Astrology just gave me the fast track. To understanding you, and that’s why what we didn’t mention is I have a master’s degree in clinical psychology, so I marry psychology and astrology. So every session I do, it’s less about prediction, although that’s included. It’s more about personality assessment and just what you do. Giving people back to themselves and saying, look, Mr. Sensitive, that’s who you are. Who wants to talk about the thing? No one wants to talk about that? Wants to go behind the curtain, underneath the hood? That’s who you are. I give permission slips to people.

Guy:
So with this information that I’m thinking for the listeners, like this year is, like you say, and it’s really holding up a mirror to the shadow aspects of ourselves and, and it’s bringing forth things that we. Gonna have to deal with whether we like it or not. And it’s so easy to put the mind, isn’t it, to that and justify our actions and our belief systems. And it’s just like it goes up to that. So with armed with the knowledge that you have through all your work, which is a body, which is incredible, how do we then marry them together knowing that this year, okay, if this is the year that it’s like, buckle up, it’s coming.

Debra:
I wouldn’t say buckle up. I would say take your seatbelt off.

Guy:
Okay.

Debra:
I would say you guys stop trying to control the movie. We’re out of control and so we should be. ’cause the system’s dated. We can’t continue pretending there’s very few of us that are listening to you. I can tell that your audience is similar to mine. They are not accepting the norms as they were, and they’re asking you and I for help to take it off. So we have to take off our seatbelt. We gotta strip ourselves of the pretense. And in order to do that, we need support community. It’s what your life’s work is about bringing people together and making it safe.

Well, I do the same thing. I have a school open only opens twice a year in September and January and in the school we have. You know, 8,000 people have gone through our school, but every term it just, 10 people are in a room and you’re studying your own chart and all of a sudden you take off your mask. You’re like, wait, how does she know that? I’m so sensitive? So then we cultivate the conversation to just circle around all your uniqueness. You happen to have two planets in Scorpio and you just can’t fake it. You know, you’re that person that asks really hard questions to people. Well, now that we can speak that out loud and give you permission, we turn the volume up.

Your favorite thing, like turn up the volume. Let me do this really full on, and that’s what astrology school is for. People come in and they get permission, like, oh my God, now that you mentioned it, I do have a sensitivity in the extra antenna. And how do I utilize that? Well, that’s a good question. And then we go and discover it.

Guy:
Fascinating. Yeah. Thank you. And it’s fascinating here and not that I wanna make the podcast about me at all, but you, you’re bringing up my chart. though with these sensitivities and these honesty, I still have a hard time of actually putting myself out there in the front line in the limelight.

Debra:
And you know why? Because you’re tourist rising. You’re shy. Any old soul who is here to disrupt knows they’re about to get in trouble. It’s like, oh God, do I really want, so there’s a conflict. Between and everyone listening to this, we all know those people. They, they speak truth. We’re so glad they spoke, but it took a lot of courage for them to reach that pitch to say what they have to say. And so you’re a shy, you know, blunt person. It’s a funny combination. That’s Taurus rise.

Guy:
So,

Debra:
Yeah, it’s those.

Guy:
so talk to me like, I’d love to get to know you a little bit more and, and your journey and your story. I don’t know much a great deal. Like I said, we were connected through somebody mutual and I reached out and I loved your sense of humor and the way you just kind of. just on there and you just, you just own it. You know what I mean? I’m like, that’s inspiring to me. It was very inspiring listening to that, even from the very things that we’ve just been talking about now, you know? So how does one end up doing what you’re doing? Because you said psychology was, was your

Debra:
My original degree, yes. In my school, I literally take people that know nothing about astrology, they become astrologers by the time they’re done. Now, you don’t have to do that, but in order, in my situation, I. Always since I was really young. Wanted to understand why my family was so ridiculous. I was like, something’s, this is nuts. Like, what is wrong with these people? So my astrology gave me a great understanding of compassion. My first book is called The Missing Element, and the subtitle is Compassion for the Human Condition. So where it started for me was I could not believe how these people were behaving. Like there has to be a better way.

And as I began to be compassionate, like, oh. My mom had a temper. She was so full of fire and my dad never talked and he had no air in his chart, and my brother cried all the time and he was water. And I was like, the questionnaire that air person, excuse me, excuse me. I was constantly asking questions. So once I understood the personality traits, which is in that first book, you can write to my website and I’ll put your chart in the book. If you’ve had no exposure to astrology, you can just buy the missing element from my website and I’ll put the chart in. But most people don’t really. No, the value of astrology is psychological healing, and that was from my family. Like I was broken. I was so hurt by their peculiarities that I thought, don’t they have any awareness? And no, they did not, and it was my job then to become compassionate for why they didn’t.

Guy:
So it could be, it literally is a tool to bring in things into your awareness and giving you a deeper understanding of those traits so we can heal them and work with them.

Debra:
Especially if you have kids, like I had a, I have a, A had, I mean he’s much older now. A child who had for some reason built into his chart, double Aries. He was the guy that got impulsive and there was a bully in his classroom, and he came home from school one day with his tail between his legs going, mom, the teachers were so mad at me. What would you do? Well, I hit the bully. I couldn’t control myself. I was like, good for you. Like I know your chart. You’re built to hit the bully. Why am I gonna reprimand you for being the person that has that fire? Like, that’s who you are. He was like, I’m not in trouble. No, you’re being yourself. You were the one in the room that couldn’t stand it anymore.

Guy:
Yeah, you, you mentioned the elements there as well. I noticed as you went through it. What that tie into astrology and

Debra:
Well, it’s the base. I mean in that story of my son, he’s lots of fire, so that’s what gave him that. Ugh. It’s the basis of all astrology is the four elements. So water is sensitive. People, you have a lot of it in your chart. They feel people, they cry easily, they meet quiet, they’re shy, they’re reclusive, they’re internal. You have a lot of water in your chart, and they really need depth to listen. They can’t stand superficial. And then the second, that’s Pisces, cancer and Scorpio, which I know that you’re a sag, but you have so much more fire in your chart than anything. And then the second category is air. And they’re the airheads.

They’re the ones that forget where they’re going and they can’t remember where they put things and they’re dippy and they’re social and they’re funny and don’t make fun of me, but I have a lot of this. And they write books and they talk a lot, and they think a lot, and they say the wildest things, but they’re dippy at their worst. They don’t match the water. People who are so quiet and deep and asking the psychological question, and then the earth person’s the grounded one who makes things happen. So error is. Gemini Libra. Aquarius Earth is getting things done, selling things, doing spreadsheets, insurance, taxes, cleaning, organizing.

It’s probably your wife. It’s the most grounded people you can meet. They are so different than the air person who can’t remember where they put the thing and the water person going, I just wanna sit in this little mess ’cause I don’t want anyone to touch my stuff. And then the last category is fire. And those are the people that are like, I made ’em laugh. Those are the people that are like, oh, I’m so excited. I wanna party and I wanna play and I’ll have an extra drink and I wanna exercise and I wanna take a job. Oversee, they’re freedom lovers, which is very different than the water person. This is why your chart feels conflicted, your fire, ’cause you are a fire sign, Aries, Leo, and sag, but your water doesn’t want to be traveling and so bold and your fire says, oh yes you do.

So that’s the conflict in astrology is inside one person. And this is my second book called, I Don’t Believe in Astrology. That just came out last year. The second book is all about. You are quirky. I mean, not you, but all of us we’re so funny. We have these funny person with no instruction manual and we drive ourselves and our partners crazy.

Guy:
Totally. Totally. No, that, that resonates a lot. The, the very things you were speaking of, the water and the fire. ’cause freedom was a big part of me, like just being free

Debra:
Totally.

Guy:
I, I’ve traveled a lot and I, I was always seeking, no, like I was never a partier or anything like that, but I had a fire, I used to play rugby. There was like a, a boyhood aggression that was coming through and stuff and, but at the same time, yeah, never.

Debra:
So.

Guy:
It’s a strange one. So with those elements then my, do you know where my thinking went was like, is it a fifth element?

Debra:
No there isn’t. In my system, I use the four directions. It’s indigenous wisdom from Egypt, from the American Indians, from Hawaii. They use the four elements. But there is another system with five, and I don’t use five, but you could, I have, my last chapter of my book was the 13th sign that said, oh, just be quiet. Like, forget all this. Come off the chart to the land where we’re non-dual, where we look over at our egos and go, oh my God, aren’t I cute? Or am I cute? Or am I nuts? Or am I like, there’s a lot of internal dialogue that is fed or nourished to your point about awareness. So there’s one sign. That would be the fifth sign, the fifth element, the ether.

That lets us step off and just look back at ourselves with objectivity and say, oh, I need to understand that that person doesn’t talk all the time. I do to, that’s like the, what would be called the fifth element or the 13th sign where we step away and turn on our awareness and become the participant as a witness rather than just playing out our personalities.

Guy:
Yeah. Okay. Okay, so help me understand, I’m so naive around astrology and these element signs in that. So if my question sounds really basic, I

Debra:
No, no, it’s so good. Good innocence of the, the beginner. I’m all, I’m all.

Guy:
so once you’re armed with these four elements, where do the teachings then take you? With that ’cause you spoke of a school as well that you do and

Debra:
Yeah, well the first is the, the book that I had called The Missing Element. Just announcement. You have no earth in your chart as in zero. So organizing money, spending things, or spreadsheets, taxes, insurance, all that stuff. The practical stuff. The schedules a time you can do it, but it’s not your specialty ’cause you didn’t come with any earth.

Guy:
that is definitely not my specialty.

Debra:
So you have no Earth. So then you read the book, the Missing Element, and you go, what do I do to comp? Like how do I create? ’cause that’s my whole belief. If there’s four wheels in a car, if one is missing, the whole thing goes off the four elements. So you wanna cultivate them. So if you know you’re missing Earth, in my book, there’s a whole lot of instructions. I have this feeling that your wife has Earth. Did I make that up?

Guy:
I don’t know. I don’t know.

Debra:
Is she practical and organized and on time and all those things?

Guy:
Yeah. She’s,

Debra:
Yeah, so we often, we often marry the person that fills in the missing element,

Guy:
she definitely gives me a hard time for, uh, my elements. say that much I

Debra:
missing earth. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, fascinating. So,

Debra:
in the book, you don’t need to have a chart In the first book, the Missing Element, there’s a little teeny personality test. It takes about five minutes and you can figure out your missing element. In the first book. There is no astrology in it. The missing element is simply understanding these four personality types. The second book, I don’t Believe in Astrology, was my attempt to inform people about more of the technical parts to astrology.

Guy:
Which are.

Debra:
Like, what’s your life lesson like? In your case, you’re getting a free reading. In your case, your life lesson is water. You came in because you’re so sensitive. You promise this life to cultivate meditation, listening, feeling sensitivity, it’s your strong suit, but because of all your fire, you were like, what? What rugby player wants to know about how people are feeling? But that’s what your chart screams. So once you learn what your like your life lesson is, cancer. When you learn what sign it is, what element it is, and that’s all in my book. Then you get. Directions on how to fulfill your purpose. ’cause we’ve all signed up to be here and we all have different lessons that we were given. Until you can articulate it, it gets a little confusing

Guy:
I’m actually here right now at a retreat space in Topo New Zealand, and it’s beautiful and it really brings home the difference between understanding this work and actually living it because that’s what retreats can do and why we’re so passionate about it. They give you the space to slow down, to reconnect and truly let something deeper land. So it’s not just an idea, but it’s a lived experience. That’s why we created Live In Flow. So if you’ve been feeling this shift in your own life and you know you’re ready to go deeper, then come back to live flow.co to find out more. Anyway, back to the episode. Yeah, of course. What, what was your, uh, life lesson?

Debra:
fire. ’cause I, you know, I’m a little, I get so excited all the time and, and I’m. Very blunt, as you noticed on my podcast. And I’m very honest and I say things, people get mad at me. I say what no one else wants to say. And so it took me years to figure out, oh wait, that’s not a good thing. I’m pushing people away. How could I use my fire with kindness? And that changed everything.

Guy:
Hmm. Okay. So one thing that I always find fascinating with this. Stuff is, where does it come from? Where does it from?

Debra:
I love your Mercury and Scorpio. This is the deepest question there is. Um. I can only say that it’s past the test of time. It’s 4,000 years old. It was written in the pyramids. In the temples. It was Mesopotamia. It was written, I, my instinct, which, which, um, Emilio got out of me is, I think it came from ets. It’s too intelligent. There’s, that makes no sense that 4,000 years ago they could execute a chart. And they knew the mathematics involved. It makes no sense and the fact that each sign’s like, you’re such a s you’re such a seeker and, and an athlete, it makes no sense. But someone downloaded it and I think it was a very high level intelligence that’s beyond ours. So one, we don’t know who it is. Two, we can’t find any certified letters where they explained how they downloaded it. Three, how to pass the test of time. Why do we all know at what sun sign we are? My grandmother side, she was.

Guy:
Yeah. No, it’s fascinating. It’s, it’s fascinating. It, to me, I mean, I’ve been doing this podcast, like I said, six, seven years and even through my own s spiritual journey ales and had enough experiences it that’s coming in to think that there’s something far greater than anything that we can ever comprehend. And we’d be so naive to shut it down and disclose it and, and, and it’s like the, the more I’ve kind of surrender into that au self, the more these revelations are, are coming forward. But not just from the mind though. It’s not just from, oh, I believe it because that person’s saying it, or so forth. It’s actually coming from

Debra:
Your body, your heart.

Guy:
your body and your heart and your soul. And

Debra:
And this is the new world. This is the new world. You guys, it used to be everything was academically described as being authoritative. Like you read it in a book or you did some research, or the doctor told you, or the teacher told you. Now it’s like, Uhuh, let me tune in this, especially you wait until my own intuition confirms what’s being told to me, and therefore it’s liberating us from being bound. By this old society that was so stupid. Anyways, I ask myself all day, like people walk up and they say, hi, how are you? And I say, fine, how are you? And I think, who made that up? No one really answers the trust, that question honestly. But we all, in every culture, there’s so many made up principles like, we’re all gonna have breakfast and we’re gonna have this for breakfast and we’re gonna have this for dinner.

Who made that up? So I’m always questioning the acceptable norms, and that is what our new society’s be gonna be built with. We’re gonna get, this is this eclipse. We’re putting out seeds for a new world, and it will not resemble the one came before, but in the meantime, we’ve gotta dis dislodge and dismantle the grip that reality had on us in the name of relationships, in the name of aging. I’m almost 70 years old. I do not feel it.

Guy:
Yeah.

Debra:
So I had to change my mindset. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Who told me you get 70 and you get crispy critter? I don’t wanna do that.

Guy:
Yeah. Well, with, with the fact that we are leaning into these, these, these times then, and this cycle that you speak of, of this year especially, is there a, are we in like a micro of a macro kind of. Cycles at the moment that that things are accelerating at a rate that, is this all leading to? Do you like when you look, when you pan back at the star centers, is there things that we seeing in our lifetime now that are, we are gonna see radically change

Debra:
Well, there’s certainly some signs. Yes. Your question is astrologically. There are some people particular signs which is worthy of going to get a reading. I have certified 24 astrologers, so I love to, um. Play matchmaker. If you send me your information, I will fix you up with a great astrologer ’cause it is uniquely described by each sign. So for example, Aries 2027 for them is 20 27, 20 26, and 2027 for them is radical change. But that’s not necessarily true for a Scorpio, for example. So it depends on what sign, depending on where the planets are. And all of us as far as the zeitgeist, all of us. Are asking the deepest questions of like, I love when you use the word authenticity.

What does that even mean? We use these words, these spiritual words, all day long. You create your own reality. Everything’s perfect. This is just the way it’s supposed to be. It’s all working. I’m like, really? Ask yourself if you authentically know in your heart of hearts. That everything’s perfect. Now, if that’s true for you, use that language. But the new age has stocked us up with so much, you know, like the chakras and the Enneagram and the human design and the ayahuasca and the psilocybin, and I mean, it’s crazy what we’re using to wake ourselves up. It’s wonderful until eventually it becomes authentic to each of you. You’ll know your doorway.

That’s what astrology does. It distinguishes people’s purpose. Like you are so clearly a healer. Your chart just screams healer, and those things come obvious. You don’t need me to tell you that you’re, if you’re being authentic, it’s occurring. What an astrologer does is just hold up a mirror and go, let me remind you. Then at the end of the session, you should go, wow, she knew me better than I did, and that’s an indication you’re being authentically yourself. Put in by, but you don’t need to know.

Guy:
That’s powerful sentence right there. And you know, with the people that we see come to our, especially our retreats and that everyone is really. One thing, like you would say, purpose in their life. That would be like the number one driver, whether the kids have left home or whether they’re going through a divorce, or whether they, they, the job is just not fulfilling anymore. Or they just feel lost in such a way, like, like it’s, it’s connecting back to those that very essence. It’s a, it’s a huge, huge thing. Huge thing.

Debra:
I love it so much. I love to watch with my own kids and the people that are in my company, the people that work for me, how much they become themselves, how comfortable they get in their own skin. It’s a wonderful gift ’cause I wasn’t comfortable. I was so awkward. It was hard to be an astrologer when I grew up, was not popular. I was the weirdo.

Guy:
Hmm.

Debra:
Didn’t stop me, but it certainly wasn’t comfortable.

Guy:
A question I would like to ask you is screaming at me. It’s going off subject for a little bit, but, but if that’s okay. with this work, where has there been, a low point in your life but has later become a blessing

Debra:
Yeah, so in astrology between the ages of 28 to 30 and then 58 to 60, those are real big markers for you. That would’ve been, uh, 2004. It, it’s always a big marker where the whole of your world starts to rock and roll. Anything happen to you that year

Guy:
2004.

Debra:
you were 30.

Guy:
Yeah. I, I moved to Australia.

Debra:
Exactly. It’s the biggest destiny line where life comes in and grabs you and you don’t get a vote. It’s like you are going to Australia. You’re like, okay. Okay. Okay. So similarly. Um, both. When I was 28 to 30, I went through a very deep depression that ended up becoming the doorway for me to wake up. ’cause you know, pain wakes us up. And then at 58 to 60, my school started and I did not see it coming. And it was very, it was. Ridiculous. Who ever heard as someone my age of an online school? I was like, A what? But I did. I designed the curriculum and it became very successful, but it was not without a lot of risk and scary and going outta my own comfort.

Guy:
I was gonna say, I was gonna ask you that ’cause when I looked at your website. what you’ve achieved and what you’ve done. You know, even so you photos up there with sting and stuff and different people that you’ve worked with and that, and I’m like, holy shit. Like the outside looking in, it looks effortless. know what I mean? That you’ve, you’ve just, here you are and you’re doing this, and, but nobody sees the, the,

Debra:
Yes, that’s very true.

Guy:
we take. Do you know what I mean? To, to be where,

Debra:
There was a moment in my career where literally three men over a period of two years, and my kids were watching this, um. Took me to the cleaners like they thought, they said they saw my success and they saw my work ethic and they were like, we’ll help you get to the marketing game. And so I just gave them all that I had and then they ended up three times really twisting the knife. And at the end of that I realized it was me. I was giving my power away. What was I even letting them take over my bus? What was I doing? But I had to learn. It’s such a hard, embarrassing, embarrassing. And then I got the right answer, which was work with women, so my company’s only women, and stop getting caught in thinking someone else will do something for you.

It was a big, hard lesson and embarrassing, and it did take its toll. At the same time, my success is a direct result of that. So to your point, we go down to go up everyone. If you’re down right now, the my, there’s a line in my book called, there’s two kinds of people, those that are humbled and those that are about to be.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. We taking that responsibility, right, and o ownership. a, it is a big one for me too. It’s a big one for me.

Debra:
It’s every teacher, every teacher, every healer. Every leader has to confront their own, either overabundance of power or their shyness to take on their power, but the conversation must be addressed.

Guy:
Do you believe that we choose our lives before we come here? That we kind of are in the, in this path, that a lot of this, like how much is destined, how much is random? How much is here for us to learn as souls? I mean. Not that I have the answers, but I’m always curious to, to know

Debra:
I love that. I love this. So your Mercury and Scorpio showing up a lot today. You ask deep questions. Um, in astrology, a lot is destined. Like you moved to Australia the year I picked. I started my business the year between 58 and 60. There are destiny lines. However, you were gonna get the dog, you were gonna meet your wife, you were gonna move to Australia. Now did you wanna fulfill it or do you wanna sleep through the movie? Do you get addicted? Did you get distracted? Are you confused? ’cause Destiny has been written. It is definitely described in the chart. Now, the variable is your own self-awareness, self-confidence, your enthusiasm, your life force, all of that’s up to you.

So that’s where free will comes in. But there’s not a lot of free will, and I don’t think I chose, I hate that story. I chose my parents. I must have been on drugs. What was I like insane? Why would I have chosen those two people? However, in retrospect with third, you know, 2020. So did I pick it? Yes. Did I overcome it? My brothers didn’t. Did I? Did I use the circumstance because of my own evolution to turn the pain into wisdom? Yes. Did my brothers no.

Guy:
Yeah, no, fair enough. Fair enough. And when you. Navigate your life now, do you like, how do, like, what does your day look like? Does your, do you, do you check your charts each morning or, or do you, do you just have one eye on the background? Like, how do you start to consume and move through your day, your week, your life, and make

Debra:
such a great question. That’s such a good question. I do. Follow the moon every single day. I am very aware of where it is. I don’t, it doesn’t dictate, it just informs me. It, it will. If I know the moon’s in Taurus, it’s slowing things down, I’ll tell myself, you know what? We’re not gonna go work out that hard today. If I know the moon’s in Aries. I’m like, okay, let’s go. We’re gonna use the energy in the heavens. It’s conducive, it’s supportive. So yes, I do. And there’s a mystery called Life. None of us can answer those. I love your questions like where did it come from and is there free will? And all those deep questions, they’re mysterious and they should be mysterious.

It. It tickles us. It keeps us on the edge of our seat. We’re like, and then what happened? Because there’s a mystery happening. It happens all the time. We meet someone randomly and they become our wife or our husband, and we didn’t see that coming. And you couldn’t have seen it come. But did you sign up before you got here? Yes. And can you ruin the relationship? Yes. So. I love your deep questions and there is a real calling for each of us to be humbled enough to say, I give my life over to Spirit. I not in charge. And then conscious enough to say I’m listening to home office, the directives. You do this a lot, listen deeply. Let the messages come through and then file, like, like meeting us today. This was completely serendipity.

Guy:
Hmm.

Debra:
I was like, who is he? Who is this guy?

Guy:
Who is this Welshman in Australia On a podcast. Exactly. Yeah. No, that, that resonates a lot. That does resonate a lot. Do you, do you have any. Practices yourself in terms of connection to soul, to spirit? Like what are your belief systems around that? How do you,

Debra:
You must have a good podcast. You asked the best questions. Um. Every single day I follow the four elements. That first book, the Missing Element, I spend time, it’s not natural. Took me years to get good at it. Every single day I meditate. Could be five minutes, could be half an hour, could be an hour if I’m really lucky, but every single day. So that was new. I didn’t come that way ’cause it felt really to, to a Gemini. It just sounds stupid. We’re gonna sit close our eyes and do what. And there’s no results. I don’t like this game, but I did do it. I listened to all the teachers and accepted it. Every single day I am on social media, listening to it, reading.

I know where my off button is, so I don’t get consumed by it, and I’m not getting caught in the, you know, but, and I do have family and friends that I talk to ever. I have really strong relationships. That’s error. With life and its messages and my people every single day, earth, I take care of my body. I eat, choose to eat really fresh food. I, I learned the earth realm about money, about food, about organization, and sacred spaces really mattered. I didn’t come that way either. And then the last one, fire every single day. I have fun. If I don’t have fun. It really fun, like have a drink, like, but not a lot, or go on a bike ride or jump off a cliff.

I, I like every day. So I follow the four elements like a religion and that’s what my first book is about. And it really, in, in the tarot deck, the very first card is the fool. Like, you have to be crazy to even come here. Why do people even incarnate? It’s so silly. This place and then the first, that’s a zero card in the deck. The very first card is the magician, and sitting on his table are the four elements. This is from the 15th century. Like the magic that will occur on this planet is to the degree that you respect those four elements. So that’s why my book has continued to sell, and I do, I actually do that practice. If anyone that knows me knows that every day I am captured. By those four elements in, in a very deliberate way.

Guy:
Okay, so it, so even the choices that you’re making through the day, uh, with awareness of those formal elements. ’cause at first when you said I connect them, my mind went to, I just meditate in the morning and feel into those elements differently energetically, you know, and honoring them that way. But what you’re saying is that.

Debra:
But see, when you say earth, I’m pointing my finger. You need to make sure you take care of money. And the practicality and being on time, you have to practice earth. ’cause it’s not natural to you.

Guy:
I’ve been, it is funny you should say that because we’ve been ordered in our company the last 4, 6 weeks, where we’re really getting into it and, and I have to force myself down in front of spreadsheets. Like it is like pulling teeth.

Debra:
Exactly.

Guy:
out, like.

Debra:
But once you, once you change that story, this is the gift of, of the four elements. I didn’t like it either. I have a business, I have a multimillion dollar business. I can’t not not look at those spreadsheets and I didn’t even know what they were in the beginning. I was like, oh my God, I’m faking it. This is so unnatural. But as the years have gone by, now I’m good at it, not ’cause it was easy.

Guy:
Exactly. No, I’m, I’m very lucky. I, a good friend of mine, he, he, he is a very close friend of mine. He, he, he’s got a $9 million company. He runs, but he runs it remotely now and he’s holding me accountable. So we have a contra and I’m helping him out in, in more this, this side of the work that I do and he is helping me out on that. So

Debra:
That’s so beautiful. Yes. It takes a team, it takes a village.

Guy:
Yeah. No, it makes a, makes a huge difference as well. You know, I, I feel like we’ve covered a lot, a lot of ground today, but, uh, one more question I wanna know just to get to know you a little bit more, ’cause that’s what I feel I need to ask is, um, is there anything about you most people wouldn’t know about that you love?

Debra:
I think I present very social. And I am comfortable around people ’cause I’m so nosy and curious, but I’m actually a recluse and I can’t wait till they go home like you, so, so you wouldn’t know. And as the years have gone by, I’m getting better at, um, balancing those two parts of my personality.

Guy:
Yeah. No. Beautiful. Beautiful. No, your honesty shines through. Honestly. It really does. Um, is there anything I haven’t asked you today before we wrap up the podcast? You wish I had?

Debra:
Yeah, I, I wish that you’d ask about this time period of the planet, what everyone needs to do because it’s going to get worse. And the answer would simply be you identify what it takes for your nervous system to relax. Some of you like you. Being alone, you have got to carve out time to be quiet. Some of you, it’s having your friends and knowing and really keeping that conversation, you being the networker in your family unit. Some of you, it’s the practicality, like your friend, $9 million business stays in connection with you, becomes accountable to you. You know what it takes to calm your nervous system. It’s helping other people and serving them. And some of you it’s exercise. You’ve got to, if, if you know. In order to keep your nervous system calm, you’ve got to get sweaty.

You have to move energy through your body or you get all backed up. We’ve got to have the answer on each of us in this room, in this podcast. What will it take for you to stay centered? ’cause we need you centered.

Guy:
Hmm. proactive approach.

Debra:
Yes.

Guy:
it to happen.

Debra:
No, the opposite. That’s not gonna happen sitting around waiting for it.

Guy:
Yeah, no, totally. No, I appreciate it. Debra, where can people find more about your work website? Uh.

Debra:
There’s just three words. D-E-B-R-A, Debra Silverman, astrology, and it’s on. I mean, it’s embarrassing. I’m on YouTube, I’m on Facebook, I’m on Instagram, and I’m on TikTok.

Guy:
You are everywhere. That’s great.

Debra:
It’s funny.

Guy:
Yeah. Now you have a great team behind you. They were, they were, they were onto me as well via the emails. They were, they were awesome. That’s for sure. Uh.

Debra:
I hire Earth people.

Guy:
There you go. That that’s something I need to keep in, keep in mind start qualifying them through their, uh, element signs. That’s for sure. Debra, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate you. I appreciate your time and, uh,

Debra:
I loved your questions. I loved your Mercury and Scorpio.

Guy:
Thanks my lovely, appreciated. Thank you.