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Suraj:
The pineal gland was shown all over ancient mysticism. It’s the size of a grain of rice, and it has rods and cones, just like our eyes do. We’re talking about the third eye, and that gland of course, regulates serotonin, melatonin, waking and sleeping. It is our antenna. To higher dimensions, to intuition, to clarity, and to deep spiritual communion. This is the light bulb. This is the aha, and we find that crystal skull method has such an amazing ability in every area of their lives, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my podcast. A quick note before we jump into the podcast today is that if you are listening on audio, this is one of those conversations where we actually bring in a few visuals onto the screen as well. So I write, right? I mean, you’ll get a lot out of it, but I recommend. Jumping in onto YouTube ’cause we, um, explore sacred geometry, the brain and how that interacts in the food diagrams, basically explaining how all these functions work. Okay. So if you want a full experience, come and join us on video and of course if you’re on YouTube and video. Hi, I’m joined today, I, my returning guest, white Eagle Medicine woman Suraj Holzwarth. She’s a beautiful soul and we’re diving into what’s called the crystal skull method, and it’s a system designed to activate the pineal gland.

Awaken the light body and expand human consciousness as well, which is what I’m all about, and hence why I’ve brought it back in to have this conversation so we can go deep into it. So I’d love to hear what you think about it as well. We unpack a lot on this podcast, so take notes, uh, enjoy it. And I will be bringing, uh, white Eagle Medicine woman to my hometown here in Port Macquarie in Australia. In November, 2026. We’ll speak about that as well on there, but there’s a lot to get outta this podcast. Enjoy, and of course, please let me know wherever you are in the world. It’s always nice to connect on YouTube. Much love from me. Enjoy this.

Guy:
look, welcome back for the third time White Eagle Medicine woman. This is an honor, and you know, when you were last on the podcast, we had a fabulous conversation and towards the end you started speaking about, I think we, we captured like 10 or 15 minutes right at the end of it, about the crystal skull method, the CSM method. And when you started sharing that, something was really resonating, I was like, this is, this sounds so beautiful and unique and needed, and many conversations later, we’re back on to really dive into.

More about the CSM method, so everyone listening can start to understand it and, and the, the thinking behind it, because as somebody living in Australia, we’re bringing you to Australia at the end of the year so people can actually start to, to train in this methodology, which is exciting. And what excites me even more is that I’m gonna be on the other side, a student as opposed to the space holder. So I’m like, this is phenomenal.

Suraj:
What a treat. Right. Well, we’re so excited to come down under, uh, you know, we prepared everyone in a sense for Crystal skull method. Uh, over the years that we toured with grandmother Drum, which had 200 crystals. It had a crystal skull of physical little crystal skull in the center of it. We’d lay people’s heads up against the bowl of this giant seven foot Drummond journey them for 40 minutes. And this was a preparation for the work that we’re doing now. And the first country we went to in the 20 country World tour was Australia. So here we are coming back for the second pass, and we’ve heard a lot from our tribe down under, and we’re really thrilled to come

Guy:
So, so I’m gonna ask a very simple question in terms of what is this crystal, crystal skull method? Because for, for somebody that’s not in a field of work or is just leaning in, it can sound out there, uh, a crystal skull method. Crystal skull. What? Talking about like, what, what’s going on? Is there an actual skull? Are you talking about the skull of our brains? You know, that, that, uh, protect our brains. Like, talk to us. What is this crystal skull method?

Suraj:
Well first off you know we all have heard of the physical crystal skulls and there’s a lot of teachings around them ancient teachings about how they were seeded onto our planet as a database So that’s really powerful and What we are doing in this method which the grandmothers and grandfathers that gave me this method they channeled this method talked about this as being the next level of cranial sacral therapy So if you wanna be in sort of like a modern contemporary practice and therapy um that was a very powerful and still is for people And this is kind of taking that to the next quantum level So it’s a hands-on energy method brand new quantum method that is the synthesis all the ancient uh modalities traditional modalities such as acupuncture and Ayurveda and all these things.

It works with 32 points on the skull With another 32 points on the body and its primary thing is to activate the pineal gland the pituitary gland the thalamus and the hypothalamus for health longevity and expanded consciousness So that’s the essence of CSM or crystal skull method is to activate them in a certain sequence that has been before us in ancient modalities for thousands of years And we’re gonna be talking about what makes it unique what makes it quantum and it’s this synthesis collaboration of all of these and crystal skull method creating a map to consciousness

Guy:
Interesting. What is the outcome of that? Then? Why would somebody wanna start to work on those glands that you spoke of in particular within the brain? The hypothalamus, the, the pinene pituitary, I believe it was, you know, what, what are we doing once we are starting to explore these activations, if you, if you like.

Suraj:
Reclaiming our birthright as light

Guy:
Huh.

Suraj:
And that quantum light means quantum healing and longevity. Each of those glands operate one of those three things So for the pineal gland the pineal gland was shown all over ancient um mysticism. In fact um the the staff of Hermes shows the pine cone. The pine cone is the pineal gland It’s it’s the size of a grain of rice And it has rods and cones just like our eyes do. So when we say I you know I see this in my mind’s eye. We’re talking about the third eye or the pineal gland and that gland of course regulates serotonin melatonin waking and sleeping. It is our antenna to higher dimensions to intuition to clarity and to deep spiritual communion.

So why we need that turned on and working for us because we are getting so lost in the outer world and the only answer to transit this incredible time on the planet is to be connected to our source. So that’s number one And this is an enormously user-friendly technique because there are so many things sabotaging this gland in us right now. Wifi fluoride glyphosate chemtrails 5G So we’re being dumbed down and we are losing that spiritual connection which is essential if we’re gonna navigate these times. Once we open that and there’s ways to what we call decalcify the pineal gland and activate the light in it imagine that it has rods and cones just like our eyes other thing it has is it forms 49 days. The fetus is 49 days before the pineal gland arises and this is the same exact amount of days Guy that the Buddhists call the bardos between lives.

So when that pineal gland arises in us in utero we are reincarnating and making that conscious intention. And that is the essence of this gland is intention It’s the gland of intention. So it’s super powerful for us as the light bulb You know we always even in the cartoons when the idea goes we have the light bulb. This is the light bulb this is the aha And we find that crystal skull method has such an amazing um ability that we are having statistics of 400 case studies where people are are scoring themselves at at 52 improvement uh in every area of their lives mentally physically emotionally spiritually. And I say it’s because if the lights were off in this room and I tried to find the door I’d be I’d be doing this. But once the light is on everything is self-evident I’m not grappling for the door.

And when people have this aha this awareness of their patterning it’s been excellent for OCD addictions. We had a woman 20 years on antidepressants come off after two sessions We had a guy with a hearing aid drop his hearing aid after two sessions. This is an opening of consciousness that is the grandmother’s summarize like you have eyes to see and ears to hear you are conscious. So we are opening up something that was given to us as a way to be fully connected to our spirit to our own light to our essence to our enlightenment. This is the gland of enlightenment in our trinity of CSM total health longevity and expanded consciousness the pineal deals with consciousness. The pituitary gland is the feminine gland It as the the pineal is considered the masculine or the sun.

We might consider the pituitary the moon or it was called the temple of ISIS in ancient Egypt and that is our master gland right. That’s our master gland of all the life hormones and stem cells That is what we do in this is we flood that pituitary from the pineal with light. As we do this practice and we’ll be talking about this introductory to how this practice works. Now it’s not just a method of healing like you go to and get a session. This is something you can practice yourself You know some of these techniques that are within the crystal skull method are all for you to take back your birthright and so the pituitary gland is that master gland. And it releases all the life hormones for longevity okay For health and longevity.

And then the third step that we do and these are all different levels of training for CSM we have level one level two and level three and they all coordinate with these glands third step is to bring it into the thalamus or the eye of the thalamus gland. And that gland is our super relay station for the brain And Greg Braden has I saw that you had him on uh Greg Braden talked about this years ago as the zero point And this place in the eye of the thalamus and it has a name in neuroanatomy. It’s called a mass intermedia in neuroanatomy And this is the place that even science doesn’t know what it does. It’s kind of like we don’t really know but this is the zero point in the brain And what does that really mean. The zero point It means that we move out of duality into neutrality and oneness.

So as we activate more light in the body more consciousness as you know we have to use it wisely If add more light to our separation we will be even more egotistical and more powerful. And this is what we call the shadow side or the dark shamans or whatever is they have a lot of power and they misuse it. So in order for us to activate more light more consciousness we have to be ready to do all that reconciliation that we talk about in ho pono pono the forgiveness work the neutrality work so that we’re not in adding adding more mana. And this is why we don’t activate too much in the first sessions.

We move through a sequence of three sessions that are a week apart we don’t activate Kundalini until the second Uh level of of CSM for that reason so that as we act activate this light of course the stuff in the shadow shows up and we have to be able to integrate that light in practical ways into the body into the emotional body. And and as we were speaking about before this show started in the ancestral and generational trauma of our lives we have to have the skills to then integrate that which is why this program is so thorough

Guy:
there’s a lot in the, what you’re just sharing and the the No, it’s amazing. The first thing that I think I wanna reiterate what you, you emphasize at the end there. It feels like it’s not only are we learning a technique, which is wonderful, but it’s really important that we are healing the shadow aspects of ourselves on our journey to become, to be able to facilitate this in a correct manner as we start to work with more and more light.

Would that be a fair estimate, what I say? ’cause people just reach for the technique and they use the techniques to avoid the very things that they want to heal for themselves. ’cause they keep going outside of themselves. Does that make sense?

Suraj:
Yeah absolutely And and at 40 years of doing shamanic work I’m all about the lower shockers and embodying it. It’s not about escaping and disassociating to the stars and to our galactic center It’s about living that heaven right here in our bodies. And the more light that we expand um the more uh that we see the possibilities we get a strength to deal with the shadow brighter that light it gives us confidence to then be able to do that work. And I think that’s what I’m finding because the number one thing that we address with crystal skull method and all of its practices I wanna say it’s like a lifestyle practice. It brings together my 40 years of work in in a modality with breath work and cleanses And this isn’t just one dimensional you know and that is to deal and address trauma.

And and that’s its number one capability And and that’s why I am so passionate about it because I’ve watched people go through these in such a way that is a quickening that doesn’t take it’s in a quantum way. And I’ll explain why I say this because a lot of people use this word very loosely and I’m not uh using it loosely when I share with you what I mean by quantum that and it can be in a much more graceful way. People think they have to relive everything. They don’t have to relive everything Um it’s it’s but we do have to release it through feeling uh feeling is healing. And there’s a certain thing that CSM does it accesses such a divinity in us that there’s almost like we can feel it without that charge that we normally have Uh that’s like oh.

There’s so much grace in this process Imagine that you would be in the in the circle of all the divine beings you work with whether it’s archangels or Christ or imagine that you are now that and then you’re addressing this your body It’s a completely different thing and that is our birthright to know this light is our birthright and to experience it. Now you know we talked last time about plant medicines and that people are you know opening up consciousness through plant medicines and and that’s all well and good if it’s used properly very very properly. However this you’ll experience because as a receiver we don’t even call them clients. We just say giver and receiver as a receiver of the technique and then of course you can cultivate it on your own. You have a say so of how much you want to expand at any given time the technique shows us where you’re at where your is.

If it’s very very close to your body we know that that consciousness hasn’t moved very far yet and they get to have a say so in exactly what goes on So there’s no uh plant medicine big Wow Wow wow. But I can’t integrate it like is something I can’t even I don’t know how to integrate into my daily life This is trackable you are it I don’t wanna say in control but you are the regulator of it you are so energetically connected to it It’s not happening to you lying down CSM is done sitting. So you are fully conscious when you’re receiving this and you’re interacting with your practitioner your your giver uh and giving feedback on what you’re experiencing and sensing uh as the expansions take place.

Guy:
Beautiful, beautiful. There. A couple of things in there. Okay. I’m just digesting it all as you speak and then making sure I guide the, the conversation in the correct manner. Because one thing I just will tie a loop in the trauma, because trauma, when people hear that they get, it’s normally can be fearful and go, oh, I, you know, I’ve dealt with that. I don’t want to, I don’t wanna face that again. Like it’s very easy to dismiss it as such a heavy connotation with it. But ultimately what you’re saying is, is that by the spacing that we can create and it can actually be a divine experience and

Suraj:
Absolutely

Guy:
are within that experience, right.

Suraj:
mm-hmm And there isn’t same uh experience cause people have imagine that God is is observing this now your human self it’s your godhood that’s absolutely present. And I don’t mean in the head I don’t mean oh I’m gonna call the angels in. No there’s an experience of it In every cell of the body as this technique progresses down from pineal gland and opening up and decalcify that. And how we do that what makes our technique unique is that there’s two hands working. Not one like in acupuncture or Mars or you know other kinds of energy work where it’s single like the the needle is in a single place.

This is a a dual hand uh technique so that we’re creating an electromagnetic field to stimulate energy. And we don’t run energy in CSM like many people do like say in reiki or therapeutic touch or uh even cranial sacral. We are not doing that to the brain That’s not appropriate. We are helping them to make the connection that we hold for them and then they start with the breath. And activating it as we’re holding the electrical pole for that electricity to move. But they are in the full power of that because we don’t want to be programming anybody. We don’t wanna be running heat into the head or anything like that And then how we sequence this is probably one of the most important things I’ll say about CSM you know what makes it quantum.

What makes it unique There’s several things and the number one thing is we are using sacred geometry and I wanna take them down that rabbit hole in a little bit. So I just wanted to respond to what you said Uh when we are in our godhood everything else is in perspective. Now we’re not viewing that from the wound and the child and the trauma zone we are experiencing as God would be witnessed.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
From who we actually are versus the dream of this body and and what it’s experienced And there’s no separation to do that There’s no disassociation to do that Mm-hmm It’s integrative

Guy:
That’s amazing. That’s amazing. So talk to me about, ’cause you mentioned it, uh, I’ve, I’ve got it winking at me as well. The sacred geometry aspect, because what is, what is our potential, what is our unique expression of ourselves? Individual full potential within that sacred geometry structure as well. Who, like, what does it mean to be human and how does sacred geometry start to incorporate into these very things that you speak of?

Suraj:
Well that’s a great question I think you know first off I’ll say everybody’s blossoming is. We’re all we’re all an individual template of that one Um but longevity you know we have the potential uh you know we read about it in the Bible 300 years old. This this we have that potential as our template gets on the template of the quantum field or what we term in CSM the Taurus field I don’t know if you’ve heard this word that the universe is a Taurus field. So I’m gonna show you how sacred geometry mimics some the oldest sacred geometry we know uh and have been seeing images of for years is and I’m the only one making this connection. So it may be you know you’ve not heard it before It is a template of the the tourist field as it moves through the human energy field.

And as we get in alignment with that through activating this light um and coming into that light body this is what we’re talking about. When we were hitting the 2020 uh we thought it was gonna be in 2000 right. The end of the millennium and all this talk but it really was 20 years off The Gregorian calendar is to the Mayan count. So it was 2020 And of course that was when the doors all closed and we asked to go inward and we won’t talk about that controversial subject. But in that period of time the the elders have been saying this for a long time that we’re going from Homo sapien into Homo Luminous and that transition or fourth dimensional body. You know that we will still live in this uh dimension With that new template brings the possibility for everlasting life.

All of these different um consciousness things that we are now going oh well if AI does everything for us what’s gonna be left for us. You know of what’s gonna be left for the humans Um this is a great question and this is where CSM takes us into this possibility. And um many people say that are talking about this now talk about ra The planetary system of Lyra and that Lyra were the original uh humans you know that were advanced species of what we are now and we are evolving to return to that consciousness the original teachings of the crystal skulls is that they were 13 and there were 12 other planets like our own with human life like our own. And we are the youngest spiritually called the planet of the children children of the sun I’ve said this in two podcasts with you. And so we get to return to that original capability which is multidimensional I caught just the end of your other podcast with this amazing astrologer Vedic he was going on about Vedic astrology.

Um wonderful He was on the page of CSM with this ability to open to a a a different kind of uh human that is telepathic. Uh we call these very specific skill sets that you know we’re all coming into oh I’m a channel. This is all what we should be We are all a channel We all have antenna called the pineal gland And Dr Dr Joe Dispenza also he came after me I was doing CSM and he started going on about the pineal gland and uh you know started teaching people how to decalcify the pineal gland because our pineal gland right now is being controlled us in all these different ways I mentioned. And so to take back our humanity to take back our luminous humanity Our total health longevity and expanded consciousness.

Our Holy trinity of this method brings in all the very best of the ancient methods but provides a grid or a map for us to follow and all the supportive breath work all of the supportive cleanses everything that we’ve had access to and takes them to a new level through sacred geometry. And the one I wanna share with you to bring this together is the key code of our method. And I had no idea where we were going when they started to talk to us about this. This was way advanced to my capability at the time So are we ready for that or do you wanna comment on.

Guy:
No, it’s, I’m, I’m absolutely fascinated and what was coming to mind is, ’cause you mentioned about sharing slides, if you had anything. Th that shows the sacred geometry around the body. You know what I mean? So, so there’s a visual.

Suraj:
we’re going Absolutely

Guy:
I love

Suraj:
And uh see see if I can get

Guy:
I, and I, and I just wanna, while you’re doing that, I just wanna say to our listeners as well, because it even sound like, it can sound very controversial about the pene gland being closed off and all these things that are bombarding us. But when you, for me anyway, on my journey, when my pene gland came online and it got activated, like I knew all about it. It, it was, it, it’s, it a very different experience to our everyday life in any given moment. And the effects and the ripple on effects that, that has.

Suraj:
Well let’s not even let’s not even go there that somebody’s doing it

Guy:
No, no, for sure.

Suraj:
It’s happening That’s what we know things are destroying our pineal gland just a health thing We don’t even have to blame anybody for it We’re the ones that are approving these things and choosing these things being on screens all the time All of these things don’t allow us that direct connect ourselves And the only reason we could create the internet is because we already have the capability

Guy:
Yeah,

Suraj:
the ones that created the thing So we already have it and we have it internally But if as as Greg said so poignantly on your podcast if we stop using it it goes atrophy

Guy:
yeah, exactly.

Suraj:
These are just facts

Guy:
So I’ve got, I’ve pulled up the first slide. What are we looking at?

Suraj:
We’re looking at the sra. This is the key code of CSM and it’s a very vari, it’s 12,000 years old, this, uh, code. And we are gonna be, uh, creating this in a point sequence around the skull or on the skull through this point sequence, and then expanding it around the body as you see it right here in the Vitruvius. Man, this is made of, uh. Nine interlocking pyramids. This, this code, it’s uh, a Hindu code. And when I show you some of these other images, you’re gonna see that what? What I’ve discovered in this is that this code, not only does it align on the brain with very, very powerful, um, parts of these, uh, glands and very specific points when it’s on the head, when we have it just laid over the head, we find that very key acupuncture points, meridian points, all fall on the apexes of these pyramids.

We actually have a pyramid, uh, in the medulla that this lines up to perfectly, uh, which is called the desiccation of pyramids in neuroanatomy. So there is like this overlay of this code, um, and it was shown in many ancient, um, images of the Sri entre and the yogis. I don’t know if you have that directly, uh, in that images that I’ve given you, but that one. Is just super powerful to just look at that. And it wasn’t just that they put it over the head, it, there was some kind of, it wasn’t like a symbol, it was an actual geometric guideline.

Guy:
like this.

Suraj:
Okay. So

Guy:
no.

Suraj:
Okay. You come to that other slide, the the other one. So this is the big picture of how I believe that the universe operates in this motion of a Taurus field. This is the information of that field in motion. Right, that, that Taurus field, and they’re highlighting the ascending and descending of that energy moving through us. And you notice that the, the orange and yellow one is an inverted pyramid, and the blue green one is an upright pyramid. And these are gonna overlap as this thing goes in motion that if you could freeze frame like we did, and this is from a beautiful, uh, YouTube from Nasim Harran who does a lot on this. Whole idea of the Taurus field. Of the universe. When you see those two motions overlap, it actually forms thera.

Guy:
So if I go back to the first image,

Suraj:
so you can see how those pyramids overlap, this is the compression of the field as it moves through us. So what. We’re actually mimicking the field.

Guy:
Huh?

Suraj:
In the sequencing that we do on the body, we’re just mimicking. We’re like saying, I’m gonna put your body in the alignment of the grid.

Guy:
I, I see the MEChA bar in that.

Suraj:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
That grid

Suraj:
system, yes. There’s a, there’s a whole, uh, teachings. I mean, the, the Sri Yara in Hinduism is huge. It has pus and prayers and goddesses, but our main concern for CSM is it’s that we’re building it. We’re building it energetically, and I’ll have to show you, you know, how we do that both on the brain and then expanded like this. This is how it ends. C SM ends with the grid fully expanded.

Guy:
I’ve got this image as well. It blew my mind. So this is following up from the Naim Harriman image of the universe. Mm-hmm.

Suraj:
Yes. That first one you’re showing. That’s wild. And then this one, that’s the movement of the field. Yeah, that’s the donut. And now we’re just, I just took that next shot that you were just showing and I actually just. Stopped the com, the, the YouTube right there and freeze framed and saw tri in motion. So that next image that you had up,

Guy:
uh, this one,

Suraj:
yes. You see it now, you can see how it’s gonna overlap and start, move into that, that image of the sri. And what is the sri? The SRI has been called the seed sound. The om right? The om is the Yara, the mantra. And the image is the yantra, or you know, sound creates all forms. So this sound is known as the sound of the universe humming in its perfect resonance. And when we meditate and we do chant, ohm, we actually place the body also in that grid, because the sri entre is the grid that the om creates that that’s been proven in science now. Through an, uh, a unit called a telescope where they laid microscopic mushroom spores on a glass and toned the om through that glass, and all the spores went into the shape of the ra. So this is not a physical, this is literal.

Guy:
Yeah. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. So you’ve got these images here.

Suraj:
Okay,

Guy:
as well. Talk. Talk to me

Suraj:
about this. So this image is now when we build it in the brain, the sra, for the first time, we’re working with the largest pyramid in the design. We call that the pyramid of the sun. It’s an upright pyramid in Hinduism. All the uprights are Shiva and all the inverted are Shaktis. So that means male and female energy, right? This one is the sun, it’s the solar, it’s the pineal. So we start building that by expanding a beam of light from the pineal gland itself. We stimulate it by holding two poles. And here’s the beams of light. Now, it’s very amazing because when I first started teaching this here on Hawaii, I had Kahunas who always opened my school with ceremonies, and the Kahunas saw this and said, oh, the Huna has this. And then I had my first, uh, practitioners go out and do case studies, and I was doing a case study.

This was our first year, and I’m doing a case study on one of my best friends, and I’m doing this, and I’m sort of telling him what I’m doing and he says, oh, DRAL, Eck talked about these beams of light in his advanced trainings. And I said, oh, but he didn’t have the same, uh, beams as we did. Not exactly most of them. Um, and the same information is coming through. Now, these beams, look at this diagram for a minute and then pop back to the church one, because I wanna show you that first that where we just were. When we talk about enlightened teachers, we see these beams coming out from the ears, coming out from the crown, and you’ll see multiple beams of light.

This is the pineal gland radiating its halo of light. For those that have gone into that level of self-mastery that we’re all being asked for. So these beams aren’t far to us. We’ve been painting them for a very long time. Right? So these beams of light are part of this energy, and this is where the skull is soft. We call it the fontanels of this. Of the skull. We have our big one that we all know of our baby fontanel on the top. It’s where our skin is soft. There. The, the, the sutures when they came together of our skull are softer in these places when we’re born. That’s very soft because we’re deeply connected to the spirit world still.

And then it starts to harden because we have to kind of come into the world of matter and betrayals and all sorts of things. Our goal is to soften that again, have that opening, that deeper connection to those. Uh, spiritual realms, and that is through activating these beams. This is the basis of the first pyramid of the sequence, and you don’t even to understand half of this to be able to understand and appreciate it when you’re receiving it. So let’s go. Back to the beams of light shot and we actually hold the poles of each side of the head, for example, ’cause right over your ear tips directly in the middle of your skull is the pineal gland. You also get to it by the third eye and what we call the light door with the opposite side of that.

And that opposite light door is where superior and inferior col eye are connected visual cortex. So your eyeballs actually see from the back, not from. Front, and so this is the secondary spot of the third eye is this pair, and then the crown of chakra, of course, is directly over the pineal as well, and we connect that directly to the heart. And then to these other two beams in a moment, but just those four. Let’s look at, um, guide right here, like as if I’m, I’m, I’m touching that here. And what I’m gonna be doing is guiding the client to breathe down to the pineal gland, take a deep breath to the pineal states from the sun, as if we could draw some light into it.

And then we hold our breath. We really pull a breath down and hold it there as if we’re gargling and trying to decalcify and get crud off of our pineal gland. And then our exhalation is going to be out. The two points that I’m holding, that person’s gonna breathe as if they could breathe out of beam. Ah.

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Suraj:
Okay.

Guy:
That makes sense. Yeah.

Suraj:
At first we just hold and, and we hold them for the longest time until they can feel a connection. We are not connecting it for them. We are holding the points for them to breathe down and feel that connection between our fingers that electrical connection has been made and then. With a process of a of breath work, we actually ask them to start breathing us off their head from those points so that we breathe that beam out as if that sun ray of the pineal gland is the sun and we’re just the ray come out from it, but we’re holding right there because we have to be able to feel the. Electricity. So if I, if I get to hear and the person goes, I don’t feel anything anymore, then I have to bring it back in to where they feel it. So we know where the beam is strong.

Guy:
Gotcha.

Suraj:
Okay?

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Suraj:
And over time and over the work, that beam comes out fully, it’s full extent arm length, that’s like layers of your aura. That’s the most important thing in our life. So once we get that light filling that space, but that may take several sections, uh, and it equals awareness. If it’s here, all the consciousness is in the, the blinders are on. It’s, you know, we’re, we’re in our stuff. As we get more, it’s just like taking blinders off. It’s very, it’s very literal. You can feel that like possibility, the grander nature of themselves, the infinite field of themselves of light. And then we do this in a sequence because could see the one coming from the crown and we could expand it all the way up. This would form form a four directional base of a pyramid.

The crown being the top point of the pyramid. These points of the ear, the third eye light door become the base of that pyramid. So we’re starting to sequence the ra. Then we’re going to be doing the opposite pyramid, which is the. Converted one. Mm-hmm. Which brings us all the way into our belly and all the way down to the floor. This thing’s gonna get expanded. Remember as like the Vitruvius, it’s going to be completely expanded, encasing our body in the grid of light. But this isn’t like, oh, we’re just doing it like this. People have to feel every step of it themselves. And in fact, when we began CSM, and we’re still doing this with case studies, we don’t.

Tell anybody what we’re building because then they’re gonna project and see it We wanna know what they’re experiencing this happens So we have uh so much data because our case studies are all documenting what people are experiencing as they go through each of the steps.

Guy:
It’s so exciting. So exciting.

Suraj:
you know it goes with breath work As you see one of the breath works to decalcify um that we do We call it the beams of light breath and it’s to help do that You can do that at any time You can breathe down hold and breathe out some years later when I did discover Dr Joe’s Dispenza’s work his is just a little bit opposite He’s

Guy:
Up. Hmm.

Suraj:
from the earth We do it both ways It depends when people are working with the beams If they get too electrical and they feel like oh like you were talking about off the screen earlier then we do it from earth energy upward we balance electrical energy with grounding because if we just bring in more light more light doesn’t mean we can integrate that And this is what I mean about the method being so self-driven and tools like oh my God I’m getting overwhelmed I’m getting electrical all my stuff’s Then we calm it down We bring in earth energy to ground that into integrate it

Guy:
Amazing.

Suraj:
We also do that through the five fingers that we have as practitioners Each of these are an element. So if I’m working with someone with my ether finger which believe it or not is your middle finger. So this finger is ether it’s spirit Imagine that Okay. The thumb we know from Eastern mysticism when a when an enlightened master will put their thumb on your third eye and that is fire. This is air Ether Earth is how we marry So this is the earth finger and the water finger. So if I’m holding these points or doing expansion with the points for with people cause again it’s with them it’s not for them It’s helping them to be in touch with their own energy in their own light.

Then they can say oh my head is heating up It’s it’s it’s warm and we don’t want that for for the brain in any fashion. So we will switch fingers and cool that energy down so that it can stream but not overheat. Because if it’s too cool we feel nothing If it’s too hot we’re overwhelmed. So this is all sympathetic parasympathetic brake pedal gas pedal all through the method It’s all self-driven but it has all of these modalities to help it be as graceful as possible as people start to expand into a much greater self.

Guy:
it’s amazing. It’s meeting people where they’re at then, and then they slowly we into the energy, right? Like they work their way in. So just, I’m just mindful of my time to send. Um, but the training here in Australia, be for nine days, I believe. Okay. And what will they take away with at the end of the nine days then? So clearly we’ll be working on ourselves, which is phenomenal, and learning these techniques, but what can they expect to, to walk away with at the end of the nine days?

Suraj:
Well if people have always wanted to be a healer and a hands-on healer this is gonna give you not only the tools but all the supportive practices. Like I said breath work and cleansing to transform your own life first. Most of my students spend so much time in their own process and then assisting others who are going through the same transformations that we are all going through. Um there’s just a Post certification time that can be anywhere from eight weeks to a year depends upon how long you wanna drag that certification process out. And you are fully uh qualified to go out and do this method on others charge for sessions uh be able to do it as a practice.

And we have an ongoing support system meaning we have free Zoom calls every other month for students that can ask anything. We have a deep dive in communication skills uh therapy skills. You know people walk away from you know reiki for a weekend and all of a sudden they’re a healer. No you have to have Therapy skills you have to be able to counsel you have to be able to deal with people you know who open up a trauma situation. And those are my 40 years of of giving people those trainings. And this program is very very thorough in being able to help support you as a therapist and come on to being a practitioner of CSM um as well as just transform your life lighter uh more gracious healthier uh to so much that we deal with health and cleansing and everything that that goes with it. It’s not just doing one step It’s all of those steps have to be comprehensive.

Guy:
Amazing. It’s amazing. Yeah. and

Suraj:
bliss

Guy:
the other, the other big, the other big thing that’ll come out of it is the people you’ll meet there and the connections and, and, ’cause I know for a fact it’s gonna attract a certain kind of person here, just from the podcast alone, that’s gonna come, uh, and, and join us. We’ll be, we’ll be doing it in Port Macquarie, uh, not too far from where I live, uh, here in Australia. Uh, the space will be limited, so make sure if you, if you’re keen to secure your space as well. I think, um, yeah. Anything else you wanna add to all of that? I think, I think we’ve, we’ve covered the, the gist of it. I mean, people can reach out obviously if they have questions and not sure of about a few things. I mean, there’s only so many things we can cover really, um, here on the podcast.

Suraj:
Well just remembering the light that you are This is what this method’s all about. How take off what’s been sitting on your consciousness and radiate the light that you are and help others to reclaim their birthright. All of these skill sets are your birthright to reclaim and to connect all of ourselves not just in meditation but all parts of our body to come home.

Guy:
Mm. Yeah,

Suraj:
Yeah To me that’s the most important It’s not it’s not journeying somewhere else It’s come home fully the body of light that you are.

Guy:
so, so as well, I, I think it doesn’t matter if you’re already a practitioner or if you’re not a practitioner, if you’re new to this or if you’re already doing certain healing modalities. My my feeling is

Suraj:
I think it would only advance anyone who wants to work uh on themselves you know and and you don’t have to become certified if you don’t want. You just come and enjoy and deepen in your own uh journey of awakening And anyone is welcome at any level. And those of you who are practitioners you’re gonna find how this will deepen your uh energetic capability uh your support system uh meaning breath works and different uh mood drugs everything that you can help clients work with uh as as a follow up to whatever sessions and and modalities you’re currently doing. And you’re gonna find your modality in CSMI guarantee you

Guy:
No, I, some part of your modality are already in CSM you know, without a doubt, I mean, that’s why I’m so excited to bring you for, for my own personal benefits. I mean, I’ve held over 30 retreats. I’ve held space for a long time, and I can’t wait to be a student and continue to learn and explore. That’s my mantra. Like it’s, it’s stay open and just continue to be open to all these things and, and. Uh, it’s always got me further down the road in my own life, and then it shows up in my, my outer world as well from, from doing it. So yeah, that’s, I’m, that’s why I’m jumping in, that’s for sure. And knowing you as well.

Suraj:
and gurus always said if it’s bringing more joy more peace then you’re on the right road You

Guy:
Uh.

Suraj:
so the people will know you know it’s it’s that kind of calling if if it’s like finding that that lightness of life and insight and spiritual communion and health and longevity this all is coupled. It’s not separated Of course we’re wanting to ground that. We’re wanting to make sure that you can clean your gut out and you can do this and do that when when it’s needed. Because we have to be able to vibrate at this frequency well oh I can’t do those foods anymore or This this is all part of CSM. This is what we’re teaching is the whole thing Not just like oh we’re just opening up some beams No this is awakening the light body and living in the light.

Guy:
Amazing. I, I’ll make sure there’s, um, obviously links to find out more about the course and, uh, all the details, uh, within Australia and your work of course. But just say the link out loud as well for listeners that people are listening. Where, where can we send them to?

Suraj:
It is whirling rainbow.com and just look under the Shamanic trainings and you’ll see Crystal Skull Mass. We are so excited to come down under It’s been a long time my friends

Guy:
Me me too. Me too. And it’ll be towards the end of November. I can’t remember the exact dates, but um,

Suraj:
to the

Guy:
there you go. 20th to the 28th as well. So, uh, yeah. Kind of come and hang out with us. It’s gonna be

Suraj:
And and he and I are gonna finally get to hug after these podcasts Right

Guy:
I 1000%. Right? I know, right. In person.

Suraj:
those children running around you and, and all that. So looking forward to just that deepening also, just wonderful.

Guy:
Thank, thank you so much. I really, uh, really appreciate your time. Thank you.

Suraj:
Okay, Aloha.