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Greg: [00:00:00] What I feel in the astral is that there is no condition. We are perfect beings, and we have issues recognizing that the main distinction between the astral experience and the experience of 3D is that you’re going to realities that are far more real than what we’re in now. It’s like an Uber reality. I think a brilliant teacher is the mainstream ’cause the mainstream is like a mirror.

Left is right, right is left. It’s the opposite of what we are. So if the mainstream teaches what teaches us what is not, we’re caught in murky waters and we don’t even know.

Guy: The episode you’re about to watch has been republished. My podcast channel reaches a lot more people now and there’s certain episodes that have slipped under the radar and I wanted to bring them up for your attention ’cause I truly feel they are worth listening to. So please be sure, let me know where you think of this episode in the comments below.

And of course, let’s continue to connect. Let me know where you are in the world and where you’re listening and tuning in from. Uh, I love reading it. It’s amazing, [00:01:00] isn’t it, that we can do this. And the other thing I wanna say as well is find out where we are. If you wanna put your spiritual boots on and come and join us at one of our five day retreats or one day events around the world, links are below as well. If you wanna find out more what we’re up to. Much love from me. Enjoy.

Guy: Beautiful. We’re recording. Greg, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Thanks

Greg: for having me, guy.

Guy: I’m very excited to see where this conversation goes today. I, I believe, um, this would be the first kind of conversation I’ve had in over 200 episodes in some of the, the things that you teach and I’m going down. So I’m, I’m really excited to see where this conversation goes and the way I always kick off the podcast, Greg. And it’d be no different today is that if you were at an intimate dinner party right now and somebody asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Greg: Yeah, I’d I’d say, look, I would say astral traveler. Um, and that’s gonna be interesting. And also the, the energy healing is fascinating. It’s taking me to that. So I’d [00:02:00] say astral, traveler and energy healer.

Guy: Wow. What reaction do you get? Like, ’cause if you throw off the cuff, oh, I do some muscle traveling and I teach people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I,

Greg: I did, I did have one comment. It was quite, quite funny actually. I was kind of in the zone after having done a workshop, you know, and I know I was strolling down the street just a couple years ago and met a neighbor down the street who I’d never met before, and now having a bit of a party.

He said, come on in. And, you know, and, um, I was kind of in that sort of zone and he asked me what I did and I said exactly that. And he said, so you’re into that sort of shit, are you? And I said, clearly. And I was just kind. What, what was interesting was that, um, you know, since, since, since kind of writing my book, it’s been a few years now, um, I’ve kind of, uh, you know, in the, when I first wrote this book about my experiences, it was like a coming out.

And I thought, you know, my, my main fear was, are people gonna think I’m absolutely crackers? You know, [00:03:00] because. I’m a pretty grounded per, I’m a normal person. Well, what’s normally not anyway. Um, and it was, it was so unfounded, these fears. ’cause what I found is that, um, just through, through this kind of authentic new dialogue that I’d found, um, and this kind of bizarre, uh, tangent that I started to go on, I just met the loveliest people and, and I found that, um, the charge, like if someone did ask me.

You know, like what I did, and, and, and they had a reaction. I just didn’t get any charge. You know, I just, I just sort of, I was like, oh, that’s okay. That’s okay. If someone thinks that’s a bit left field, that’s their right. It didn’t, it didn’t bother me. You know? I.

Guy: Yeah, fantastic. It’s strange when that ha happens, like coming out of the closet per se. I mean, it was the same for me when even putting this podcast in the spirituality section of iTunes, you know, initially I was like, geez, what are people gonna think? And I don’t know. The rest of it doesn’t care. You may [00:04:00] I, we’ll get into backstory in a minute ’cause I’m, I’m fascinated.

But you, um, you talked about running workshops as well for asphalt travel. Do, do people like walk in. Hoping they don’t get seen ’cause they’re walking into this kind of way. Or or people just walking and bring it on. Let’s go. You know?

Greg: So what was the last bit of that question? Only ’cause it did cut out.

Guy: Oh, sorry. Yeah. So as people walk into your workshop, where are they at when it comes to exploring this? Oh, tell you are the itching, they’re, they’re everywhere.

Greg: There’s, from those you say they have no idea to, um, you know, that people have had experiences. So it’s kind of e even the very beginning on that same theme of.

Um, you know, that outing oneself, uh, in the very beginning when people came into workshops, because I just, I started doing them only because a few people that read my book found out what I was doing and say, can you teach it? And I remember thinking, I don’t know, you know, we’ll give it a crack. I remember the first, um, few workshops, people to come in and I, and I kind of look at them really [00:05:00] suspiciously thinking, you know, and I didn’t even ask the question, like, why would you go?

Why, why are you here? Like, I look at them and go, who are you? Why, why would you go to an national travel workshop? You know what, and I found that, um, really it’s fascinating the the amount of interest that’s out there. I mean, I’d never heard of the subject before. I’m, I’m, I’m continually fascinated with those people who have tried to do it, um, who have like read books and, and.

Like, where did that come from? I think that that interest, so really it’s all walks, uh, uh, of, of life. The, the kind of people. And um, a lot of it’s just getting into, you know, meditation kind of, um, techniques or, or, or kind of, uh, patterns that, that enable it to happen. Because in the end it is a bit of a mystery, but it’s just to get close to that mystery, and even if not everyone.

Not everyone follows through with certain things, as you know, and, and not everyone will have that experience, but I find [00:06:00] it always helps them just to, to, to, to kind of get into that lucid mindset, which is what it’s all about. Getting into that lucid mind, that notion of, um, you know, body sleep, mind awake, which is the fascinating, pivotal thing of, of astral travel, you know.

Guy: How would you then describe what Astral travel is? ’cause it can conjure up so many. Connotations really,

Greg: you know, it’s, it’s, um, getting out of the body consciously. Now there are different, what I’ve found is there’s a few subsets. Um, there’s what they call the OBE. What I find, well, I call it real time astral, is like if I get out of body like a ghost in this reality, uh, which is, which is amazing when you pop outta your body and you realize you’re outta your body, and so you’re literally.

Walking through, um, what they call probably the fourth dimensional, a dimension that’s very close to this, but you’re able to, um, [00:07:00] relate to certain beings in that. And plus you can also see the, the human 3D experience. Um, most of astral travel, I would say is going into other realms, but, but the main dis, the main.

Distinction between the astral experience and the, and the experience of 3D or even Lucid Dream is that you’re going into realities or, or realms or situations that are, or scenes that are far more real than what we’re in now. And that, that’s kind of the sticking point you’re in. Like you, there’s more depth of color.

Um, you, you hear every, you can see behind you, you can, it’s, it’s like an Uber reality. Um, and it’s also often a company with a very, with a very ecstatic sense of being. So there is this, um, correlation to the ecstatic experience, which is in the astral experience as well. And you kind of know you’re having it. It’s kind of like a lot of people ask, did I have it? Did I have it? You, you’ll know. You’ll know.

Guy: And, and is there [00:08:00] a, a. Differentiation in terms of when you’re having that experience in that reality, then to then coming back into our reality here, as in, does it feel dreamlike or does it fade away? Or is it like, like you say, you know, it’s like, wow, this is, I’ve had this experience and Yeah, that,

Greg: that’s a good question.

I think that’s the pivotal thing. I think we’re, we’re having so many aslu experiences. The thing about an Aslu experience is, is a, it’s really a remembered experience, so generally you’ll have this. Kind of profound happening and you’ll wake up straight after it. That’s what I found. That’s what I found happen.

So when I’ve been outta body in this reality, what I call real time astral, and I watch what people are doing, a lot of people are wandering around like zombies or they, you see their astral bodies come out of their physical bodies. It’s quite bizarre to watch kind of like a translucent, um, version of their own body.

Wow. When I, in the beginning, you know, I didn’t, I, I would try to wake people up. I’d try to pull ’em out. I didn’t know what was going on. [00:09:00] I wasn’t too cluey on the ethics of the situation at all. And, um, I just wanted to see what kind of reaction I get from. Sleeping people. So it seems that everybody does go astral when we sleep.

Um, you, you need to go astral. That’s the way you kind of get all of these rejuvenate of energies coming into you. Uh, the astral body is kind of like that capsule to get that energy and then it, and then it relates it into the, into the physical body. So like the chuck was, remember when I first got out, uh, early on I met these people who called themselves guides and, um.

A little bit like what you said about the notion of the spiritual podcast at the time. ’cause I wasn’t, you know, a new agent and then I was thinking, what’s going on here? Why are they calling themselves guides? This sounds very, but they were showing me, I remember this woman would show me the energy centers and, and the auras.

And I hadn’t been interested in those, um, consciously. And uh, and so I found these energy centers actually collated with the astral body. So [00:10:00] it’s kinda like we process energy through these energy centers and these. Energy centers then process into our, like, endocrine system or into our, into our physical body.

So it’s kind of like, um, you, you, we need to go ral. To be human. Uh, and, and I pushed the, I’ve pushed the envelope a couple times. Like I deliberately would not allow myself to go out store for two nights, I remember early on. So what I meant was I really relaxed my body. ’cause a lot of what I teach and what I do is this, this notion of really relaxing the body and, you know, how far can you go, like when you relax your body, but stay conscious, how far can you go?

And what I um, what I found was I, I, I spent a couple of nights. With my mind awake all night. So I only had my presence up here and my body was absolutely asleep. So two nights of that. And I felt great physically during the day, but I just, I really, I felt suicidal. I, I, it was like I hadn’t touched base with a stream of energy that we require as humans to [00:11:00] be content, to be happy, to be fulfilled.

I just, I felt absolutely destitute. Um, not allowing myself to go astral, so we are all going astral. But really, uh, getting back to question that the commonplace, uh, definition of astral is if you remember the experience. And so when you remember the experience, of course, then you can manifest certain scenarios or find certain information. That’s really what the astral experience is.

Guy: Wow. Wow. And how did you end up then getting into this? Because I, I dunno whether it’s because I live near Byron Bay in Mullumbimby where, uh, these conversations tend to come up more often than I was when I was in Sydney. But, um, it, it’s, it. Like, like we were saying, it feels to become a more common occurrence or a conversation. It doesn’t feel so taboo these days, but when, because I believe this was like 20, even 23, 24 years ago. You mentioned when you first started having these [00:12:00] experiences. Yeah. Is that correct?

Greg: 1999. It started, I remember in, in March. Yeah, well look, look, it is interesting. I mean, and what were you doing? I was a classical musician living in Vienna.

And, um, look, if I look back, a lot of people have asked me what you know, but what was your, what were you doing? What was your mindset? Why did that happen? If I look back at the time, um, I was always in a meditation for physical and mental relaxation. That, that’s something I’ve had since the twenties. I remember, um, my mom, I was a very tense music student.

At the VCA in Melbourne, um, studying violin and composition and conducting and this kind of stuff and, and ambitious and, um, but just, I, I, I loved the music and, um, you know, anything institutionalized becomes a little bit tricky and I wasn’t good. I’m not good in institutions. Um, so I kind of wanted to walk away from that early on.

And, uh, when I was studying it at tertiary level and my mom gave me this book, she was great and, um, gave me this [00:13:00] book by. Um, Ainsley Mes, who’s a Australian, I think psychiatrist or MD as well. Anyway, it was about meditation. It was, I think the book was called Relief Without Drugs. I remember it was a very basic kind of book with like pictures of drugs on the front cover and just capsules.

It was just kind of really, and I remember just this, this fa and he just, he, he’d been to the, to, you know, the east and he just, he basically. Um, went through the notion that, well, in, in the west, you know, we might not want to be sitting squat, you know, we might just wanna sit on a chair and meditate. For me, it was, it was, it was really profound.

Probably that, and the astral experiences, probably the astral thing when it first started, probably most profound. But the meditation, um, when I’d, I’d feel into my body and I, I recognized I was always holding myself and, um, and so. I just became obsessed with relaxing my body and mind. I remember getting really sick, uh, at the time.

This was in my early twenties and um, I [00:14:00] realized that I probably had to, ’cause I was a very. Tense. I remember someone said, geez, Greg, you’re tense. And I said, yeah, I know. I like it. I like it. I like to be tense. But, but that, that, that had got me going. And then if I fast forward, um, that had been on doing meditation on and off, and then in Vienna, I remember my mindset at the time when the astral experiences started of was a little bit, I was looking at myself.

Now I was probably quite a, a naive kind of guy. You know, I was in my thirties that stage, but I, I, I, I’d always been kind of a naive sort of person and, and I was a bit shocked. Uh, kind of, I don’t know. It was a bit like, is that all there is? I, I remember thinking, looking at the world and looking at my experience with the world and thinking really, is that what it’s about?

Is it really about. You know, such diplomacy and, you know, getting on any profess, you know, it was, it was, I guess probably subconsciously I recognized there was a bit of a hollow [00:15:00] in my existence, but it wasn’t a particularly conscious thing. And then, um, I went to a, a cranio, a craniosacral person in Vienna that kind of kicked it, who also did energy healing.

And I remember having a shoulder injury and she said, look, um, she gave me a bit of, um, you know, she got rid of it. And I remember being really. Um, kind of, uh, irritated because she had that kind of, you know, airy fairy kind of, yes. You had an energy block and for some reason, and I said, what do you mean energy block?

You know, I was pretty, you know, I was kind of thinking from the other side of my brain, I think she said, yes, we’re all humans. We have energy blocks. And so that really intrigued me and I went back and back and that was fascinating because. It kind of re re reinvigorated my, um, love of meditation and just feeling it in my body and just sort of thinking this tension I’m carrying, it’s not me.

I just had this incredible feeling that, that this is not who I am. This is not what I am, you know? [00:16:00] And, um, and then, then that the astral thing kicked in, uh, in the most kind of, you know, dramatic styles, very theatrical. Um, this light following me around, even after it first kicked into my forward, and, um, it was kind of, yeah, I couldn’t, as you said before, I couldn’t turn around, I couldn’t turn back, and it was, um, I remember having a decision.

I came back to Australia a few years later and I, I started thinking, well, I’m really interested in consciousness. And then I thought, well, then I had a chance to go back to Europe for conducting or music. I just thought, do I wanna. Spent my whole life studying the music thing, or do I want to go down the rabbit hole of consciousness?

So it was kind of like that last, the last opportunity to make a, you know, free will, you know, free will. ’cause I was feeling like, um, I had been hijacked by the Astro experience early on. I was kind of, I loved it, but I also hated it at the, the beginning ’cause [00:17:00] I, I just couldn’t ignore it. But it was hijacking me night after night, after night, after night, you know?

Guy: Wow. It um, did you then, when you, like you talk about the hijacking and, and having those experience. How did you cope with those experiences then? Were there, was there people around that you could talk to? Was there support? Was it, or did you just feel like you were just falling apart or were you excited? Like bit of

Greg: both. A bit of all of that. Bit of all of that. Because I did, I remember thinking, well, I remember vividly thinking, well, this is, this is sensational, but what is, what is the normal reality then? Um. Yeah. Also, I did have a couple of friends, uh, that particular energy Hillary had gone to. She had become a friend and I used to go a lot and she’d be using my energy to channel, like weird language, like it, it was weird wacko stuff going on.

And then, um, I knew a, um, a, uh, psychotherapist who I’d [00:18:00] gone to not long, started going to not long before that, after a kind of a. A breakup, a relationship, and you know, looking at patterns. And it was the first time I’ve spoken to someone about, you know, what it was all about. So I did have people to talk to on that level, um, who into meditation stuff.

And uh, also my partner who’s who I’m now married to at the time, and she was very open. I’m lucky I think some people don’t always have that, but, but. But it was still difficult to come back into normal reality. And in fact, I did crave these altered states. I would come home from whatever I was doing in music and, um, I would just hit the floor and, and meditate to go into an astral state.

So I remember my partner at the time. You know, she, at the time she was concerned. I remember at one day she said, look, you’re not really present. You’re not in this reality are you? And I said, well, you know, why would I be, this is just so beautiful. You mean incredible music, incredible color beings, you know, telepathic with you on incredible things you have no idea of, and [00:19:00] planets and aliens.

And, and it was, um, hilarious, really, um, looking back. So it, it was confusing and, uh. And, and I think if we fast forward, um, to just a few years ago, I had a, um, an astral workshop here in Brisbane. I think Brisbane’s becoming the epicenter of astral travel. Um, um, and these two, these Tibetan, these, it was.

They were actually not Tibetan, but they, they were into Tibetan Buddhism. They were monks. They came along to the workshop, which was really cool to hear the, uh, Buddhist perspective. And, and I remember one of them said to me, Greg, your life must be hell. And I thought, whoa, that’s a statement. And I said, what do you mean?

He said, well, if you’re going out like that and they’re coming back, this reality must be terrible. And I said, what I thought about that, I remember, and it did feel that way in the beginning. I, I, I, I really had issues come to terms. I remember after the Astor experiences started. I became, I just, I’d just start to say what was on my mind.

Like I’d be in a situation where I should be far more diplomatic, and [00:20:00] I just start, I just, some voice would come over me and I would railroad situations. You know, my career would take a beating because I was just not, you know, saying the right thing at the right time. And, um, so, so getting back to what the, the, the, the monk had said.

And I thought to myself, well, to be honest, I don’t see this reality. As robustly real as many do because the, the sort experience you really do. Like one of my old experiences, I was shown my own death in this body. I had to, I experienced it. I didn’t ask for it. I was, you know, it was like my, my, I, I remember, yeah, it was really interesting.

I, I go, I went out of body and sometimes I hear my own voice speak to me like. So I called him my highest self, but not in that, it, it’s my own voice from a, from a perspective of higher consciousness. So he seems to know more about me, about things than I do ’cause he is able to get me outta body. And so this particular occasion is my own voice saying I want to, I want to, um, [00:21:00] experience death.

And, um, my own death. And I remember the situation. I remember the room, I remember how it was, and I was drowning in blood and all this kinda stuff. And I remember thinking, okay, this is full. I knew I was astral. Um, you can always retreat, you can go back to the physical body, but I felt this was something I had to experience years later, of course, I, I, I did like a shamanic course and realized this is very much part of the shamanic tradition, the notion of experiencing.

Death in the physical, but it was interesting. And, and so there were themes being thrown at me in the astral that I wouldn’t have necessarily taken on. So there was that hijacked feeling, but it was like a quick track in many ways. And, um, getting back to what the monk said, I, I sort of, I guess because these realities are so more, much, more real, more defined, more touch, more.

A unified sense of being rather than separate senses. Uh, there’s [00:22:00] no verbal talk going on. Everything’s telepathic. So if I were to talk to you in the astral, uh, when you had asked me a question, I would answer according to the question you asked, so you would kind of pull out of me that, that relates to your question.

So there’s no effort on my behalf and I would do the same. It’s, it’s like a free flow thing. It’s, it’s really interesting. Um, so, you know, I, I, I guess now looking back, my reality has changed so much. I, I’ve, I’ve moved from doing things I didn’t want to do, to doing everything that I do want to do, and therefore I enjoy this reality much more than I did.

Um, so in many ways it’s match, it’s matching that astral kind of sense, that feeling of ecstatic, you know, manifestation, whatever you want to call it. So, but, but, but once again, this reality, not to denigrate it, I don’t see it as real as these higher frequencies. ’cause I know that we, we all existing in these higher realities and, and, um.[00:23:00]

I feel from my perspective is that we’re, we’re all trying to wake ourselves up, you know, like, um, like often I’ll have lucid dreams and, um, I know in a lucid dream now that there’s often a drama. I know now in a lucid dream, I don’t try to control the drama. I actually let the drama go because the drama’s not real.

It’s not real. When I do that, if there’s any kind of antagonist or if I’m, or if I’m gonna crash into a, like once I was driving a car, I became lucid and I was going too fast around a corner and I was about to crash. And I remember I said to my wife, in the car, sorry, and, and I just let the car crash, but I stayed lucid.

And I felt this incredible wave of bliss. And so I, I, I, this actually first started in the astral, um, this, this, this letting go. I remember I’d. I’d, I’d counted a few kind of what we would call antagonistic energies in the astral. And I kind of, you know, you dunno how to get past ’em. You just do as you can in know, you just do weird things and [00:24:00] you, you might swear at them or you might, so put a finger in a cross or it’s quite bizarre what you do, you know.

But anyway, I’d, I’d, um, I just, I just actually published that book and I was concerned about this coming out concept. I was about to fly over this beautiful molten lake of silver in the assal. Just beautiful. Beautiful, um, realms. And when I say beautiful, my like, you know, you feel really good. Um, your mind is very singular in the astral.

It’s not as, um, distracted or occupied or encumbered. Mm-hmm. Anyway, um, and these two guys were behind me and I thought, this is interesting. I feel there’s a kind of a negative thing going on here, and I’m very real and I thought I could fly away, but I won’t. And I confronted them and, and they sort of came at me and they said, oh, you’re having a samsara moment, huh?

I remember thinking. I’ll Google that. I dunno, I dunno what Samara means. But as they came toward me, as they came toward me, and they kind of started to beat me and I remember thinking, just let this happen. [00:25:00] And they kind of started destroying me. And I remember, I, I felt myself, uh, dissolved, but I felt this incredible bliss.

And I thought, now that’s interesting. So the next time I had a lucid dream and as an antagonist, I would allow the antagonist to do what, what? That antagonist does, but I wasn’t, I’m not charged in the dream. And I also felt those waves of bliss. So I feel my highest self, um, is doing the same thing with the astro.

Just like I, with my dream, uh, selves are kind of wanting them to wake up to the reality of, of the, the non-drama, if you like. Um, so to my higher self or higher aspects of myself is, is kind of knocking at my, is knocking at my, um. Sort of crown in this reality teaching me to be less and less reactive. So I, I, I suppose the astral experience, if I, if I look at it in a nutshell, it’s kind of taught me to be less reactive and, and less, you know, it’s, it’s less, um, turbulent. It’s a less turbulent life. [00:26:00] Um, not necessarily, it is sort of passionate life, you know, but it’s, it’s less real, I guess it’s less real in terms of, you know, under attack.

Guy: Yeah. Wow. You’ve triggered so many. Um. Possibilities of where to go with those questions there. There’s a few things in there, but then if you are like, you know, you talked about witnessing your own death, you talk about surrendering into the experience without the emotional charge. Do you find then. By having, because you know, I’ve had a couple, uh, I’ve had, well, quite a few of my own, uh, experiences beyond my body.

And one of the, the, the things I struggled with initially when meditating was the complete surrender into it and just trusting. Because I’m not accustomed to know anything else apart from my reality through my five senses of how I’ve been perceiving it for, you know, a large portion of my life. So, [00:27:00] but then, so I guess what I’m curious to know is then is that surrender and. Those fears around death and things removed in this life now to allow you to live just more peacefully and joyfully ’cause of those experiences?

Greg: Absolutely. Uh, that, and that’d be the, the, the prime kind of realization is that, is you just lose that and, and you know, why does one lose it? You just do, I think, um, it’s hard to put it in an intellectual context.

Like early on, I remember, you know, I, I was raised a Catholic and I hadn’t really practiced, hadn’t gone to church since I was a kid. But, but I never thought of past lives and stuff, you know, that wasn’t part of my vocab. And, um, I remember early on this was also an astral experience triggered by my highest self.

So I kind of, I would go, often go into this void. Like I’d, I’d literally go into this dark space and, and it’s not negative, it’s just a space of nothingness where I’m, I’m awake, but I know I’m outta my body. Generally happens before Dawn? Uh, generally [00:28:00] not always. And um, and I heard my own voice say I wanna see me.

And I remember I just saw me as clear as day. It was like, you know, absolute ultra high definition. There I am as I was at that particular time of life. And then it was like a slideshow. Um, the astral went off and there’s like a wind in the astral, and then I got younger, became a baby, disappeared. Then I remember there was this old.

A Chinese Mongolian guy looking right at me. And same thing, slideshow got younger, disappeared, and, and the eyes always stayed in the same place. And I remember there was this, um, African medicine man with all this regalia. I remember it was quite, it was very full on. I remember thinking, well, I, I, I might have bought here because I’ve got this guy, very intense guy right in my face.

And I didn’t know at the stage what was going on. Once he was, he was not so old about in his thirties, then he got younger. Baby gone. Then the next was, I’ll never forget it was this long headed alien. And the background was also not of the earth. And this has been [00:29:00] a constant theme of my astro experience has been this, um, non earthly thing.

And funny thing is I’m not really into that stuff. I don’t watch alien movies. But anyway, ’cause a lot of it has a very, I find it a bit of a negative, uh, vibe coming off it, so I’m just not into that. But what was interesting was I remember pulling outta that going, whoa. And, um, there was a voice saying intermission and it was, what, what has it come in?

A lot of my, it was like intermission as in, yeah, you’re gonna have to come back though, buddy. A lot of the astro experiences, there is a humor with the whole thing and it is a guide experience, but I came outta that and I didn’t know what it really got on. This is a classic astral kind of way. It works A few days later, somebody I, I trusted, I mentioned this to them.

This experience I had, and they said, that sounds like a past life aggression. And I remember my whole body going like, but really full on not just, um, kind of, um, you know, [00:30:00] pins and needles, whatever. But really like in the astral, that astral buzzing. And I remember the next instant knowing that to be reality.

I know, I knowing that that was, I’m seeing alternate lives. Whether we call it past, live or doesn’t matter in terms of timeframes, but, and I, and for some reason that relieved me of a lot of my trauma, so to, to do with being human, to do with the notion of mortality. And for some reason I can’t put, uh, an intellectual pin on it for some reason.

Knowing that you are more than just this body, um, takes a lot of anxiety. Out of the notion of not existing ’cause you know, you can’t not exist or the notion of dying in the physical form for some reason alleviates that can’t say exactly why. Definitely does that.

Guy: Why then do you, do you think we are here?

Like if, ’cause you many times you’ve mentioned [00:31:00] about, uh, your highest self and I always kind of look at it like a i my mind always see a, an iceberg, an upside down iceberg though, where the small part is actually. Physical form and there’s a much larger aspect of ourselves beyond this physical aspect. Why, what do you think the human experience is? Then? Why are we here? Why do we struggle? Why do we have pain? Why do we have joy? Yeah. You know, all these emotions and everything that comes.

Greg: It’s curious, isn’t it? I, I think, um, that same Buddhist marker, I remember he said, well, to, from their point of view, to be, to be human is to suffer.

And I guess we transcend the suffering. So for, that’s from a kind of a. You know, a spiritual, intellectual viewpoint. I think it’s true too. I think, um, we, we are almost here to learn that suffering isn’t real. Um, and therefore that gets you into context of emotions and stuff. ’cause I’ve often analyzed my mind when I come into physical and the beginning, oh man, I was so disturbed because I feel this incredibly lucid, [00:32:00] pinpoint, singular mind.

Right. As I come into the physical, I’d feel all of the, in the beginning you’d feel it like, um, you know, like clapped around you. These like mortal fear, you know, fear of loss, fear of wow. And I just, I just come back into this clay that was heavy and I think what on earth as, to get to your question though, as, um, like the dreamscape, like in the lucid dream.

I feel I’m putting I, because I feel I’m pulling these aspects of myself that have somehow forgotten themselves out of the dreams, you know, out of the drama. I like pulling them from murky water and, and this kind of, there’s this clear surface that’s where I’m pulling ’em through. And I think our higher selves also are pulling us through.

I think we’ve. We’ve dived into the murky water perhaps for an experience, and we’ve kind of, we’ve kind of forgotten that. That’s, that’s not necessarily it, you know, and we’ve gotten [00:33:00] entrenched in the drama. I think karma, I think the whole karmic, um, kind of, uh, machine is, is dead in the water once you see it.

What I, what I mean by that is this whole question gets the notion of feelings and emotions, condition uncondition, I think as humans. Like in the astral, uh, if I, once again analyzing my feelings, there, there is this sense of benign love. There is this sense of you are loved, you know, or you are love even.

But there is this sense of incredible uncondition. So I think I look at the human experience, you know, um, as, as little boys, little girls, you know, be good, clean up your room, and I give you an ice cream. So energetically, you know, I’m showing you my love. If you do that. So we, we translate the unconditional into the conditional.

So very much the karmic realms, I think Life on Earth is in 3D is [00:34:00] very much based on, um, condition. So we’ve translated, you know, you, them, us, right? You’re either with us or against us. You know, that side, that side. What side are you on? Make it clear what side you’re on. So duality seems to be kind of this, this, this.

We think this ruling force. But I think, um, and most people, you know, not everyone, but a lot of people are living lives, uh, doing things they don’t wanna do. Uh, they come home, they watch on the screen, the drama, they dream drama. So they’re kind of caught in this male strm of drama. Um, and I think, oh, you know, oh yes, but.

Oh, they’re having a good life. Oh, they must have had this in their past life to get that. Or they, oh, they deserve that. Or sort of this whole notion of crime and punishment is very much a kar thing as well. I think what I feel in the astral is that there is no, none of none. That’s all void. That’s all void.

There is no condition. Um, we are perfect beings [00:35:00] and, um, we. Have issues recognizing that, that there’s so many buts and what ifs and I shoulds and, and I think we’re here to realize to, to, to kind of wade ourselves out of the, out of the karmic, uh, washing wheel. You know, we, we, we really believe we’re beholden to this.

So in many ways, you know, it’s a bit of a hoot though. I think, um, if one looks at it, like I, I do say to people in my courses now. I say, well, what’s the worst case scenario with that, with the Astro experience, the, the ultimate astro experience, and I mean, ultimate as in the last one is death. So if we look at the worst case scenario, is that really so bad?

You know? And, and you know, and we, we live on, um, and I think that. The, the, the, this, this reality is, is very much, you know, the karmic machinery is, is there, you know, prodding [00:36:00] us all the time, getting a reaction out of our emotions. How can our emotions be triggered? I mean, you know, I, I can’t even listen to a news thing on the radio now because.

It’s interesting, like if you look at it, you look at the ranking of, of what is gonna be on the news, like there’s the death first. What that’s always been, regardless of what era, it’s always like somebody died or this someone murdered. So that’s immediately triggering that response. So a brilliant, I think a brilliant teacher is the mainstream because the mainstream is like a mirror, you know, left is right, right is left.

It’s the opposite of what we are. So the, the mainstream teaches what teaches us what is not. So I think we are here to transcend karma. And I think we’ve been caught in traumas, uh, in karma somehow. I think, um, you know, also many of us have chosen to come down and, and help, and help situation, but I think ultimately we’re, we’re kind of caught in murky waters and we don’t even know it.[00:37:00]

Guy: Yeah, yeah, we certainly do. Do you. Do you think then that, or do you have a question why these experiences ha begin, started to happen to you in the first place without the exploration? It’s

Greg: true. Look, I do. Um, and many people ask that I think there is a certain aspect of, you know, uh, ticking time bomb in the best sense, or, or, or, you know, a time capsule.

I think that from. Past lives or, or from one’s soul, you know, the, the overarching soul journey that would’ve been planted in there. I mean, a lot of the stuff I do, I’ve kind of seen in the astral, so the astrals very preemptive. So I tend to think that you also move out of time in the astral. So I tend to think that.

It’s an exciting, I think being human is exciting. I think if we can manifest the reality we want, um, that’s what it’s all about. I think, you know, why me, you know why anyone? I mean, I, I, I can not know what, [00:38:00] what is, what is in someone else’s mind. You know? I, I don’t know how anyone else operates. And looking back at my own story, I was always a bit of an outsider as a kid.

Um, you know, um. Kind of primed for this experience in many ways. I remember when I was 18 months old, um, I was actually, um, you know, knocked catatonic for six months by my stepfather, and I had a very violent upbringing as a child, um, father and stepfather, a lot of, uh, physical abuse. So I, I would often to survive, I probably cut out a bit and I, and then I remember, you know, dramatic life from.

Tiger snake bite and being almost, you know, being dead for 24 hours, virtually when I was a kid, to being chased by sharks, just, just south of Lennox head many, many years ago. The first time I came back to work, I think, and I love the natural realms. I, I think I just, I just think it’s, it’s, so, the whole thing is a cosmic joke.

I, uh, I remember, um. [00:39:00] As I said, I was quite a stressed person and, and years ago, the funniest things happened with his actual experiences. I remember this, this little Buddha, I’ll, I’ll show you a picture of it. Like this is actually, this guy rocked up in my stomach and I’m not, I’m not a religious, I’m not a, I’m not a Buddhist, but he was literally in my, I could see him there.

I felt him and, and someone would come and tell me the most, like a few. Before I came to Brisbane, about 10 years ago, I was living in Spain. And, um, in a social situation, you know, in this cheering gido on the beach, we’re all having a drink, very social. These people didn’t know what I did, and I was taking a bit of time out.

I was writing my book at the time. Anyway, um, this woman comes up to me, it’s beautiful night on the beach, you know, having a beer or whatever. And, and she, and she tells me the most grotesque, uh, a suicidal. Situation attempted suicide. She’d had like outta nowhere, you know? And she’s talking to me, you know, and this guy once again rocked up in my stomach and he, he’s always laughing.

He’s like, so whenever anyone comes with the drama, at that stage of my life, I’d feel him shuttering. [00:40:00] And I thought, uhoh and I, I started the belly laugh, you know, I started and I just thought I couldn’t stop. And she’s looking at me horrified, everyone around. Just horrified that Greg is doing a belly laugh when someone’s telling them these most extreme.

And then she started to laugh, you know? And we all had a, we all had a really good laugh and nothing else was said. And I thought, well, that, that, that was kind of weird. And um, it’s almost like having had such a dramatic childhood and being able to laugh at it, um, and then seeing the drama that people hold, it set me up nicely.

But I think that. Can be for anyone. I think to be human is to experience trauma on a certain level, otherwise we wouldn’t be here. So getting back to the emotional aspect, like even as an energy healer, what I like about is. Using this experience to like to, to, I think, I think humans have a lot of emotions and they’re caught there and I think [00:41:00] really getting, getting down, if I were to put it in a nutshell, I think we’re here to kind of dissolve the emotional body and get into the realm of, of just pure feelings for the sake of feelings.

We’re like, you feel this ecstatic sense, not because someone gave you the best chocolate ice cream in the world, or because. You, you got a great job. Do you know what I mean? But there’s this sense of ecstasy for no reason. Uh, and that’s how you feel in the astral. This sense of just beautiful beingness and that and that, and that doesn’t mean to be laziness realm, but I think that there is the almost, um, the path or least resistance in, in, in, in, in a, in a spiritual sense where you kind of just follow that.

Where you’re pulled, you know, and, um, still the realm of doing, but I just think I’ve, I’ve, I’ve gone off topic. I’m, I’m, I’m sure.

Guy: Yeah. No, that’s, that’s okay. So much of it resonates. I mean, I find that my own journey, once, once I really started to be [00:42:00] pulled by a vision from the heart really, and, and actually allow that. Aspect of myself to, to guide me more. As I connected to it more, my life has become more joyful and simpler in, in some respects, and things tend to flow a lot more.

Even when, even over the last few years, there’ve been that moments going, shit, oh, this is really, this is really knocking me here. What am I gonna do? But it always works out if I surrender into it and trust and take action from it. It’s so true. You know? It’s so true. Which is incredible. Do you? Yeah. Do you still often astral travel?

Do you still, like, do you do it every night or is it something that you do once a week or you, you, you, you’ve kind of explored it so much, you kind of don’t now, does it leave you feeling tired the next day, or. Is it perfectly fine? Like what happens for you? Hmm.

Greg: That’s a good question. I mean, it, it does leave you feeling a bit tired.

Um, you feel kind of rapid tired. I, I don’t seek it as [00:43:00] much as I do some, it’s, it’s a very conscious experience. If I do, I find it’s a different experience. Like before it was very dramatic and lots of vibrations and a lot of people to, and lights and stuff. And now I’ll find myself, I might just go outta body, so I generally let it happen.

I’m kind of all about, I guess if you like. Embodying these other realms in the human experience. So like, even as I speak to you, as you, as you were saying before, this heart-based, this heart led experience, it’s almost like I feel I’m watching myself talk to you right now. I’m kind of allowing that to flow.

I’m not actually doing anything. Uh, you’re just along for the ride. Um, in the best sense, not, not in a cop out sense, but. You just long for the ride and, and um, you know, like in the astro, the words that come out, I used to meet these, these crowd of beings and it was hilarious. And, and they be, we, it was a, it was a round table discussion.

This, this went on night after night. The same [00:44:00] scenario. I had no idea what they were talking about, but I remember it was very lofty and it was very beautiful. But I had no idea. All I could sense was the energy. It was like way above me. And I remember when it came my time to talk, feeling a bit nervous ’cause they all looked at me.

Out came this flow of incredibly lucid situation of humankind on earth, about our use of the resources, about our, used to sharing them about our, we treat our own. And it was so bizarre because I had no preparation in mind. They looked at me. And the information floated. It was just so bizarre. So more in mind, I’m thinking, you know, to the astro experience is to embody it.

So I don’t have that same craving. I let it happen. Uh, if there’s something I may really want to experience, you know, I I I will kind of, um, ask for guidance. ’cause a lot of it is, it is, it is a guided experience, which is good. So it’s kind of, yeah, in answer to your question. I just, [00:45:00] I, I like kind of, uh, the stuff I’m doing in this reality, um, with energy and with loose and with astral trouble.

I like teaching. I like to share it. I like to, to do my healing and stuff. So it’s kind of like I, I like the, um, the, to, to bring it into other people’s lives, so I just don’t crave it, that experience as much. I know I’m doing it anyway. And often I’ll, often I’ll be out there flying people out. Who I don’t even recognize, I’ll be flying them over these incredible, uh, ’cause you, you, your sense of perspective in the astral, like that there’s no, um, um, horizon.

Like, and, but then sometimes people will contact me and say, oh, you know, thanks for coming to, to take me on an astral flight and I don’t remember doing that. So it’s a bit of a need to know basis I think. You know, I think it’d be exhausting if, if we were always conscious of what we’re doing in the astro. Yeah. Hmm.

Guy: Yeah. Incredible. And [00:46:00] for people listening to this right now that might be going, you know what, that’s all great, Greg, but geez, you know, I, you know, everything is physical. Every, that’s my reality. I have, I, you know, it’s like trying to smash a piece of concrete every time I go to meditate, it’s like, I’m not cutting through anything.

This isn’t, this is just like. Is it possible, is it possible for everyone to, to do this if they choose to? Do you think? Yeah.

Greg: Well, is it possible for everyone to be conscious they’re doing it because everyone’s doing it with, without the, the astral body precedes it, precedes the physical body. So all the energy, it is actually a bit bigger than the physical body, I believe it is.

It’s a question of, um, this notion, as you say, of surrender. Like your meditation, a lot of people talk about they’re a bit, they’re a bit afraid to go be that little extra step. So I think, um, I think, I believe, I believe it is from what I’ve seen, people have experiences. Um, they, they can do it. [00:47:00] You can, I’m fascinated with the fact that we can manipulate it into happening.

This is what I’m interested, that we can manipulate ourselves into, into remembering. So I think it’s almost short circuiting. We’ve been programmed to think that. You go to sleep and really scientists don’t know what’s going on with sleep, but you know what happens. So we’re kind of pro we’re, it’s, it’s to short circuit that program of body and mind asleep at the same time. It’s the, so that it is just a, a, a reprogramming that goes on.

Guy: Hmm, one last question on this topic well, is, is there anything to fear with learning this work? Because it can, because it can conjure up fears. Initially it did for me initially, you know, until I started to experience it. Yeah. Um,

Greg: look, I don’t, yeah, I, I don’t believe so. Look, I had all sorts of little monsters rocking up.

I remember one, these hairy monster used to rock up at the end of the bed. It was really hilarious. It’s like one of those Disney hairy monsters, you know? And I used to just swear at it. And, and, and you know, [00:48:00] it’s really funny and occasionally, you know, there’s beings. But what I find is when they see, you see them in the astral, if they’re.

Mischievous entities. If they know you see them, they are outta there. I mean, it is a very fluid realm. We are constantly, um, in a relationship with other beings at all times. It’s going on. It’s actually going on right now. You know, people are being impacted. So look, you bump your head. You injure yourself, um, you pay tax.

I think these things are often more troubling than, than meeting a national entity that, you know what I mean? So you just gotta be prepared for, I, I just wouldn’t pay too much. Homage to a lot of the, um, emotional vibes that come outta these movies about it. You know, they’re often really scary and negative, you know, movies to deal with this kind of stuff.

It’s not like that. There, there is a humor involved. There is a guidance, there is a love involved. I, so I always suggest to [00:49:00] anyone, you know, unless you’re on very heavy antipsychotic medication, I think you just go for it. That’s what I would say.

Guy: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And what do you hold for the future? I mean, are you, what, where do you see yourself in the next five, 10 years with your work? Because I know you do energy healing as well, if I’m

Greg: asking. Yeah, yeah. I like that. And, and I like the astral stuff. Um, well, you know, that’s a, that’s a good question.

Um, I like the idea of appearing, um. In a room, uh, in a, in a, in a non localized, what I mean by that is kind of, uh, doing some weird, like playing with the astral as well. Like I even once I kid you not, this sounds really wacko and it’s absolutely okay for people not to believe it. I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me, but I once actually in the physical, had an national experience and actually lifted off the [00:50:00] ground. Uh, it was so cool. Um, and what was really

Guy: you, your physical body lifted off the ground

Greg: and what, what was so weird was it was like, um, my higher self was saying this kind of chant that was, it was really out there, but, but. Look, who knows? I, for me, I just, um, you, you kind of just let it happen. You know, I like, I like the fact that energy healing is, is, is, is a concrete thing I can actually do in this reality.

Like what I’m looking for is to do things that relate energetic things that you can actually, you know, uh, purpose to this reality. So I think that, um, I just enjoy. Doing what I’m doing. See, I’m doing, I, I am bringing out a second book soon, which is like a, a fictional book. Um, like, like, once again, I, I hesitate to use the word spiritual, but it’s like a spiritual adventure, a bit of humor, astral stuff, that kind of stuff.

But making it rather than a, a nonfiction book, which my original book was about my [00:51:00] awakening, but this is, um, a fiction book. Bit of fun. So I also like writing as well. So I think just being creative with it and just seeing what happens, you know?

Guy: Yeah. Fantastic. And if people wanna find out more about your work, you you, are you still teaching the astral workshops at the, at the moment? I know we, we’ve been pandemic to workshops. Yeah. I’m

Greg: doing smaller ones at home. Like, I’m doing like six people. One, I’ve got, I’ve got one coming up in a, in a few weeks, but I’m doing them a fair bit, like just a half a dozen people in, because I’ve got this room where I can do that.

Um, I’ve got an online one on my website. People can look at that, which is, which is good. It’s got like just the basic videos and step-by-step instruction, so, so yeah, I’m still doing that. And I do a lot of private, like, um, zoom is great, so I do like. You know, private consults with people who are not in Australia.

Just, just helping them, you know, maybe hone their, everyone comes from a different perspective. Mm-hmm. So a lot of people It is, it is fantastic. I mean, people are interested from all walks of life in astral, you know, and [00:52:00] it’s not just the astral thing, it’s get developing a lucid mind and maybe helping with meditation as well, you know? Yeah. And also I like, I mean, I’ve done a few. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah.

Guy: Well, I. Yeah, no, please. And you’ve also Oh, no, no. I also like, no, a few

Greg: years ago I started sometimes talking like to groups of people at, at events, like, um, you know, presentations on astral, and that was good fun too, reaching a bigger number. So I think in the future, I think as the whole restrictions ease, um, I’ll get back into, um. You know, uh, just sharing your stuff to, to people, you know, in, in person, in, in bigger events. Again, be good fun. Yeah.

Guy: Yeah. Fantastic. Last question for you, Greg. Um, with everything that we’ve covered today, which has been a fair bit, um, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on? [00:53:00]

Greg: I will, I I like you asked that question, and it’s funny, you, you’ve drawn out the answer, which is a weird answer.

So, so, so before I went to Spain, this was a dozen years ago. Yeah. Anyway, I, I was meditating one day and I felt this little weird movement in the back of the left of my head, and I came out of it and I said to my wife something, it felt pleasant, but it was like something shifted and I said to my wife, something really weird has happened and I couldn’t actually.

Put a sentence together. It was really weird. I couldn’t speak like I am now. I was still doing a better music. It was kind of the tail end. I was doing reiki, but kind of not really talking and hadn’t really spoke about the al stuff. But we’re still doing a better music now. What I found was this, I would have to rehearse the names of my colleagues.

I’d have to rehearse conversations that, that I was gonna have that day so I could enter into conversation. ’cause I literally couldn’t put a sentence together. I had to find the word because of that experience. I [00:54:00] became very quiet for a while, and when I did speak, I could only say what I meant. That meant I became belligerent in my old workplace because I just couldn’t, the, the workplace to me, because I didn’t want to be there, became toxic, wasn’t toxic to others, but to me, because I didn’t want to be there and I became kind of belligerently honest, and that pushed me into doing just what I wanna do.

Um, only what I wish, what, what, what is authentic. And then I started to like myself again because I was no longer in a toxic place that made me feel like a belligerent person. ’cause I started not to like myself. So for some reason I wanted to share that with people. Like it’s really curious what pulls you in that direction.

But I think this, this sense of authenticity, this just, it’s so much freeing, more freeing just to be. Be who you are, you know? Uh, and just live that life. And I know it sounds simplistic and all that, but a [00:55:00] lot of people aren’t. So I guess to, yeah, that, that was a really curious experience because it, it was hilarious.

I couldn’t speak and people thought Greg’s gone off, he’s nut, you know. But someone said to me, who knew what I was doing? Someone said, Greg, that’s interesting. That’s because you’ve been going astral. Therefore, because what did happen when I meditated, even now, there’s like nothing going on, a deliciously dumb state where the narrator was kicked outta the office.

So I think meditation is beautiful kicking. So that was literally the me the, the, the narrator was kicked out and it, it kind of left me. Floundering for a while because I had, there was no commentary, you know, like there was no, you sh don’t do that. You should do this. Oh, you don’t do that, don’t do that.

You know, it was just like, okay, Greg can’t speak. Okay. You know? And so I wrote the book as a method of therapy because literally I thought I would just write down my [00:56:00] experiences because. Then I had to get from one end of the sentence to the other. That is hilarious. And that was, that was my coming out.

Otherwise I wouldn’t have taught the whole, it’s so, so bizarre. I mean, that and that storyline is so lame. You know, you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t script that because it’s so lame. But that it seems to be the way these realms work, they’re just gonna get you there however they can anyway.

Guy: You know that that’s a great place to end this show, Greg.

Thank you. And, um, it’s definitely showed up in my life more the closer I come to my own truth and live from that place. Yeah. Uh, it, it, it, it changes your, your whole world, so Yeah, absolutely. For everyone listening. I’ll ensure that, uh, there’s links in the show notes, whether you’re on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, all you need to do is just pause the podcast, scroll down below and, and Greg’s website will be there. And just, uh, say your website out loud, Greg, just for everyone listening as well. Yeah.

Greg: Greg doyle.no, no, sorry. Greg doyle astral.com. So greg doyle astral.com. [00:57:00] Yeah.

Guy: Beautiful. Greg, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for, uh, doing what you do and, uh, creating. Uh, wondrous intrigue in your stories and journeys. And like I was saying, I’m halfway through your book as well, which I highly recommend for people to checkout as well. It, uh, will definitely give you, uh, deeper insights into some of your, your experiences and, and the work that you’ve put out there. So Greg, thanks for coming on the show. Uh, really appreciate it, mate. Uh, thanks

Greg: so much, guy. I’ve loved it. Thank you. It’s been a pleasure.