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Paul: Your idea of what should be is about to be changed in radical ways. And they say that everything that has been hidden is going to be revealed. Every choice one makes in fear gets you more fear. One’s innate knowing actually has very little to do with intellectual information. They say that the upper room, which is what they call the next octave of vibrations, doesn’t hold the density of fear

Guy:
Guy here. Today, I welcome back to the podcast Paul Selig, and we get into a fabulous conversation, which I felt really went deep and emotional around what’s going on on the planet right now and how it relates to him and us and all of us through these really interesting times. Now, the reason why I’ve put my face here for a moment before we jump into the podcast is because I had a notification from YouTube today, and it actually said that I’ve been podcasting on my YouTube channel, has existed for eight years.

I’m blown away, absolutely blown away that I’m here and the podcast is still going. And through that time, I’ve seen a lot. Like I’ve, I’ve put a m- a lot more love into YouTube now than I, I used to, along with my events and retreats and everything that I do. There’s so much going on in my life. But at the end of the day, what I’m really passionate about, what my heart is, is to follow my heart and, and be a way show for other people, I guess, that are leaning into spirituality.

And over the years, I’ve gathered a lot of wisdom and wanna pass it on, and that’s why I have these conversations, that’s why I do solo podcasts, and that’s why I do what I do. But with all that in mind, what I’ve noticed over the last couple of months with YouTube is that my views have literally halved, and it’s like it’s going backwards, and the, the content which I feel, I actually feel I’m producing some of the best podcast episodes I’ve done.

And if you’re a regular listener and viewer, I’m sure that you’re enjoying them and get a lot out of it. W- the other thing I checked was that YouTube is only 30% of people that view my channel are actually subscribed. So look, is it gonna help? I don’t know. Uh, I’m gonna continue to put the podcast out there at this stage anyway. I enjoy doing it, but I’m asking if you’re not subscribed, I’d really appreciate that you do subscribe because it continues to help get these conversations out there to people. And from what I read over the comments over the years and what I witness, that I feel these conversations are more important than ever. Anyway, enjoy this podcast with Paul. Appreciate it. Hope I get to meet you in person somewhere in the world someday. Much love.

Guy:
Paul, welcome back to the podcast.

Paul:
Glad to be here. Thank you.

Guy:
Good to be here. W-when I was preparing for the podcast this morning, uh, in amongst getting the kids ready and, and supporting my wife and family life and things like that, I was kind of into our conversation today, and I wanted to ask you more of a question about yourself in terms of how you stay grounded in a ever-changing, climate in the world. Yeah. Because you’re human. We all feel it. I’m,

Paul:
Yeah. I’m, I’m in a somewhat blessed position right now. I’m living on Maui, an island out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and about six hours behind of the news cycle on the East Coast in the US, which is what I was used to now. So I’m on the west coast So I actually have a slightly different experience of, I think, the world than I might have before I came here. But my sense of being grounded is maintained. I’m used to, uh, people. I’m used to turmoil. I’m used to it personally. I’m used to it in my environment. You know, I was in New York City during two major blackouts, the AIDS epidemic, the 9/11 attack. I lived a mile and a half, two miles from it, you I’ve been around through a lot of tumult, and a part of me, funnily enough, does well in times of great challenge.

You know, I think I’m still, after many years of working with it, a warrior. And so sometimes when the awful thing happens, I go, “Okay, I’m ready,” because I’ve been worrying about it for so long that I don’t get so shaken by it. trust the guides that I work with, who’ve been talking about the times that we’re in for at least ten years, and quite accurately as they’ve– as we’ve progressed through them, again and again  and again they, predicted some of the events quite accurately and that we’re in now, they’ve been talking about coming for a couple of years easily. 

And at the time, I was going, if I buy any of this,” and I’m here to speak what I hear. don’t like fear-mongering, and I– the guides I work with don’t do that. But I was hearing about upheaval and political change and everything shifting ways that are occurring now. So I’ve also heard from them that we get through it. We move to the other side of this in time, and that this is going to be a useful period finally, even though none of it’s necessarily what I would like to see, what any of us would like to see happening. But it keeps me centered in a way. I don’t get thrown quite so easily anymore.

Guy:
Yeah, it’s interesting, isn’t it? Like, uh, ’cause even here in Australia, it just feels intense.

Paul:
Mm-hmm. It is.

Guy:
it’s, it’s very easy to tune into a narrative, you know, with the war going on, the, the, the

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
going on over here and, and, uh, yeah, you have to be even more diligent. And it’s, it’s interesting your new book is called Divine Union. And how many books has this been now with,

Paul:
That’s the 13th book, I think. And there’s another one that’s, you ready and will be out sometime, I suppose, next winter. But this was the 13th book, yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. And would you Like, how would you describe it? Does each book almost mirror what’s collectively going on in consciousness at this time, what we’re ready to hear as these

Paul:
books are dictated a year or two before they’re published, and it’s interesting because when they come out, they’re very apropos and very accurate, you know, and I’m sometimes surprised by that. There was a book they were delivering a couple of years ago, and they were speaking amount about war, and we weren’t at war. The US wasn’t at war at that time. And by the time the book was out, indeed, there was war happening. So I’m– that they’re texts, but I think that they are speaking to where we come to in order to support us in moving through these stages of growth and evolution and how to maintain an awareness of spirit or the divine or whatever you wanna call it through these challenges. So it’s always been that way, truthfully, going back to the very, very first book, which was dictated through me in two thousand and nine and published in two thousand and ten.

Guy:
Wow. How much, how much has your life changed from that point of opening up and bringing in, bringing in this, this through? So it must be obviously impacting your life over

Paul:
Yeah. You know, I was doing this work before the guides I work with began dictating books through me. I started to open up as a psychic when I was about twenty-five years old. I’d had some experiences as a child, but I would not have thought of myself as someone with ability. And a number of experiences came around that time in my life that did seem to open me up to another possibility. The books started coming when I was, I think, forty-eight years old. And was around that. I was that old, and I’d been channeling and– or doing some version of it, not as I do now with lecturing now with lecturing since I was maybe thirty-two.

So I was developed over a period of years to be working at the level that I work at now. I didn’t expect this. I wasn’t somebody who really believed in channeling, truthfully. And some of what passes for channeling now, I, I have questions about in the world, you know. But know how I work, and I know what happens. And how has my life changed? well everything’s changed. I’m still, I think, inherently the same person I was. I still worry a bit too much, and I still, you know, am shy in ways that perhaps I wish I wasn’t.

But, you know, I was a college teacher for twenty-five years. That’s what I did, and it’s how I knew myself, and my work as a psychic and as a channel were under the radar, and I was keeping it that way intentionally so that I would be able to maintain an academic career of some kind, you know, and, uh, not get fired and lose my health insurance and all of those things. And I actually loved teaching. It was a very good thing for me, and it supported me well for a long time.

Not in a way that made me wealthy by– in any means, but I liked the dependability of it. And so I’ve really been kind shot out of a cannon with this stuff, and that was a process for me as well. I was very reluctant to leave my old work and my old life, and it wasn’t until, I think, the third book was out and on the shelves, and there was no way for me to pretend that I wasn’t working as a channel. I would show up to my courses at NYU, and the kids were googling me, and they were watching me channel and having a nice snicker over it.

And, you it asked me to leave. I never got fired for it. I never even got publicly criticized for it. But there came a time when I realized that I was hanging on to the known, and I prudent enough, I think, to make sure that I could pay my rent and my health insurance and take care of my basic needs without the thing that had supported me for so long. I’m all for stepping out on the universe, and I did, and trust, but I also was practical enough to make sure that I had enough money in the bank to support me when I didn’t know how the– when there was no paycheck coming in. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah Thank you for sharing that It’s interesting isn’t it Because I feel cause we’re in front of a lot of people each month with holding space in the work we do here in Australia and New Zealand and and interestingly enough a theme that comes through is is for people not owning their true aspect of themselves and just being unconditionally them And I’m interested for you as a s like you saying that you’re a shy person but yet when we s we see you on social media or you see you on a YouTube video you’re just expressing yourself you’re channeling and you’re being very to other people’s opinions whether they’re good or not Like how did that How did you work with that Like f that feeling that transition Cause I really feel a lot of people hide and then just not being themselves

Paul:
I had– You know, it’s funny, I was thinking about this earlier today for some reason. Uh, a psychic that I knew gave me a reading a number of years ago, and she– I think before maybe the first book came out. And she said, “What’s interesting is that one of the reasons you’re able to work is that you’ve been through public humiliation. You understand that already, and you have less invested to as a result of that.” I still care what people think of me, but not in the way that I used to. And I, you know was not believing kid.

I mean, I wasn’t somebody who was marching proudly through my life. I was mostly kind of keeping my head down in some ways became good in a classroom. I got used to being in front of people in a classroom and holding that space, and holding that space with integrity. And when I was a kid, I liked to perform. I liked to, be in the school plays and things like that. So there was a part of me that I think was seeking to be seen, you know, even if I wasn’t comfortable with it.

But what happened was is that the skill set that I developed from showing up in a classroom for a long time and having to share of myself and care for other people in a very specific way where there was not really much expected back in return, except that people showed up and did their, their work, allowed me to show up for this stuff. And in the years that I’ve been doing this, when I first started channeling publicly in doing groups, I would often say, “Hello, my name is such and such,” and that was all you would see from me until the end of the weekend. umm the guy would come back and say, come you all for coming. See you later.”

Everything else was the guys. They wanted to talk, they could talk. I was happy to disappear or hide under the chair myself. and eventually, I found that if I introduced myself and I spoke about how this came to be and how this whole phenomena began, which wasn’t asked for or anticipated on my part, I was surprised when it happened and had– it took some time to get behind it. Um, I don’t remember what I was saying. when that happened and I began to share that, I found that people were able to accept the teachings that came through a little bit easier.

They had a context of who I was. You know, I wasn’t some guy in a turban. I wasn’t wearing all white with a five-pound crystal around my neck, and I wasn’t asking anybody To buy into anything. I still have to say to people, “I’m not a spiritual teacher.” I’m not. It’s not my work. I’m a radio. I can interpret the guide’s teachings, and I do a pretty good job of that as I can, but they’ll often correct me when I try to interpret and say, “Thank you very much, but…” And they’ll reframe or re- restate what I was trying to say in a way that was more appropriate to their intention. And so you know now it’s just, this is just what I do.

This is what I do, and it’s how I show up. But I understand the need to be shy. You shy You workshops, there’s often somebody there who will raise their hand and say, “Hi, I’m so and so and I am a channel for and they’ll list 12 different entities and, you know pass out their business cards during the break. And I go, “Okay, that’s who they are.” and be some young woman sitting in the back of the room who will raise her hand like that and you know cover her face with her hair when she shares. And she says, you know “I hear, I see dead people,” or I have these experiences, and then the things that I am shown come true, and I have a guide, and I don’t know whether to trust…” Those are the ones I go, “Yeah.” You know, they’re not looking for the attention.

They’re not looking to conquer the spiritual market, which I just think is insane. When I started, there wasn’t a spiritual market. It was not a possibility. I, I had a group in ve- met in my apartment for 18 years, and probably the first 16, 15 of those, that was before the book started. And I had a fairly small apartment, so I would put out a basket. People would put 10 bucks in the basket, sometimes 20. That was a big night. And, um that’s what I did. I wasn’t looking to be known for this. That happened as a result of my continuing to show up and do the work that was given to me to work through me consistently over a long period of time. And the books themselves are the guide’s teachings. I’m not even really that essential.

If somebody picks up the books, they don’t need me, and that’s probably all for the best. So I, think that anybody who is sincere in their spiritual life and growth, and I was as a young man. I have to remember what that felt like when I was just so devoted when I was in my late 20s, early 30s. And I was, because, you know I didn’t have anything else at that time. Everybody I knew seemed to be dying around me, and, You know I was flat broke. I was out of graduate school. I’d been a writer. I could no longer write. I didn’t know what was going on or how to support myself. And so I rested in a spiritual life at that time that supported me in amazing ways, and real ways But I wasn’t looking to get something out of it And I think if anybody is sincere and if somebody has ability and they ask to be developed, about this I to ask, they’ll get developed in some way.

I had teachers show up at different times. I had mentors or a book that would show up that would give me the next step, and that was hugely helpful. Um when I came into this work, it was then the late… You into the work it was it was 1987, and there was the first New Age was happening then. You then You Shirley MacLaine was all over the place talking about crystals and past lives and, you know, there was Louise Hay. and then it all dropped out. There was nothing. There was not a scene. It’s back again in a different way, you know, informed by different things, and I think that’s a great thing, you know but um I think wherever you show up, if you’re willing, you’ll be met. It’s been my experience.

Guy:
Hmm Thank you for sharing that It feels cause it’s interesting because you know I’ve been podcasting since two thousand and thirteen right in the health space and now into th-this

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
after my own inner awakenings that were coming on And it’s exposed me to a lot of people and conversations and connections over over the years

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
And the the space you speak of is I find interesting because it feels like you’re speaking to about genuinely being your authentic self unconditionally and not reaching for certain things even the spiritual industry feels like there’s a there’s a there’s loses this essence of what we’re actually trying to do here even within our own personal lives and for those around us What has what has helped you then connect to that authentic self if if that’s another way of saying it or to be conscious of not making spiritual goals per se to actually be living the teachings that we do Because they’re very it’s a s it’s a subtle trap I I feel for all of us

Paul:
I don’t know how well I succeed, but I, I know why I don’t go that other route. When I first… The very f- the very first group that I ever held in my apartment, I– the guides I was already beginning to work with said, “Don’t advertise. Have people over. Don’t advertise.” And I went, “I wonder why?” And I had an apartment full of people. People just heard about it from other people, or friends would bump into me. And I think I went through a real period in the early days. I studied healing. My hands would get all hot. I wanted to fix everybody. I also, I think I was suffering You know, I had been a very promising writer with a grand career laid out, and suddenly when I stopped drinking, I wasn’t writing anymore. I didn’t know what to do.

I was scared to death so you know I think the desire to be special showed up as a way to give me some sense of value. And that’s a bit of a trap, and one of the things that I tell people when they say, is you know are telling me that I am the only one to save humanity from,” you know, I’m like, “Well, listen, you know, be careful of the flattery,” and because it, it’s often a bit of a seduction, and it’s the ego that’s being focused on here. I don’t know. I, I think for me, I got my butt kicked a number of times, you know, in, in different kinds of ways, and I still don’t necessarily walk around thinking of myself as, as all that extraordinary or special. but I do get… and I was saying this to somebody who works with me the other, the other day ’cause I just did a week-long retreat here on Maui, and then I went right into a five-day intensive. had And I really good at what I do.

I think I’m really pretty good at this.” And he said, “Yeah, you’re, you’re good at this.” And good at this means I can accept the fact that I show up, and I am available to this work, and I try to be clear enough to not get in the way this world and I can declare that. But I actually don’t think that it’s about me. You see my ability has kicked in in service to other people, and that was an important way. I had studied healing, and I was volunteering at a center in New York that was providing services for people that were people who were living with life-challenging illness. It was mostly in those years AIDS and cancer. And I found when I had my hands on them, I could hear things for them, and that was the beginning of the clairaudience for me. It wasn’t… So nobody was telling me where to get a date or, you know, what the lucky numbers were.

Yeah, I, I would get some of that stuff sometimes, but that wasn’t how I developed. And so it’s always been an offering, and that doesn’t… I don’t wanna pretend or make myself sound like I’m pious or overly humble, ’cause I’m not. You know? I’m just Paul. But, um I think it’s a stage that most people get to go through with this, which is the desire to be special or the desire for n- to be the only one or the best one and all of those things. And I find that those can be traps. You know? If you can… You can get stuck there. People do get stuck in those places. you know, I show up again and again and again at, the appointed times when I’m supposed to be channeling, and the guides I work with seem to know the schedule enough ’cause they haven’t stood me up yet And I suppose if there’s ever an event that I show up with and there’s a couple of hundred people in the room and I tune in and I don’t hear anything, I would, I would have to end it. you know?

You can’t fake it. You can’t fake that. You really can’t. Somebody want– Once I said, when I was being developed years ago, I said to a mentor, “How do I know it’s not me?” And she said, “Okay, try to channel right now.” Nothing happened. happened That was it It’s and that’s how this is. And I think people have different gifts. They develop in different ways, and some people are extraordinarily gifted and have great ability, and they’re very rightly pleased with themselves or proud of themselves. I don’t think there’s anything wrong healthy self-esteem around one’s abilities.

Guy:
how does one I I mean like with the Are We all have gifts that we can develop cause we’re all channels we’re all divine that are having a human experience That’s how I see it

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
yet almost like you know the the ego the beliefs the structures the conditionings all these things are in the way How do you Uh like if you were to explain to someone well how do those gifts come online How do they get developed Is it resonance Is it tuning in Is it presence Uh how does your mind work around these things

Paul:
I know how my mind works. I don’t know what the formula is or the system is. Um, I think I had ability as a child. I was a very sensitive kid, and I did everything that a kid could do and a young man could do to shut off my sensitivity. You know, even until I was forty-eight, I was a four-pack-a-day smoker. you know I wanted to shut off everything. I drank too much and quit that when I was twenty-five. You know, too much food. All of these things, and they were ways of protecting myself and numbing myself, and also I seemed to have what people call an addictive personality.

And, you know, I, I… And in my case, it’s been mostly a gift because everything developed when I stopped that stuff. I wonder sometimes, you know, I, I– because I’ve been trying to write a memoir. I had a teacher who, uh, taught me a form of energy healing, and she was, she was a big deal in her day. she’s long gone now. Um, and I didn’t realize this until I was researching her, and I hear– I heard that one of the attunements her teacher used to do supported people in their psychic development. And my psychic abilities really kicked in once I did that study, I, so once I began learning.

But it was my job to learn how to be with it. and the channeling when it first started, I was very suspicious. I like– You the energy when I would work, the guides I work with would come through with energy that was palpable, and that I could trust. ‘Cause if I was in a circle with ten people and the guide said, you know Everybody were gonna put a hand on everybody’s forehead and the whole room went like back. It was like that movie Beetlejuice. You know, we were all having this experience. I like that because you couldn’t fake it. And I still like the fact that there is a transmission that is energetic that comes when the guides teach through me and in their events, and even in the online events, people have these… A fair amount of phenomena is attached to this instruction.

Guy:
Hmm

Paul:
But I think it’s something that, you know, where there’s not a lot of conversation still about it. There’s nothing wrong with getting a teacher and taking a class. I don’t know how to teach people to channel. Maybe one day the guides will do a course through me. Other people may do that. I have friends that ha- teach psychic development. They’re very good. They have systems that work. I think there’s nothing wrong with all of that, and I think it actually helps to be reinforced and have community around some of this stuff because, you know you wanna know that you’re not going nuts with this. You know, I, I have one friend that says, you know,

“The difference between the psychic and the psychotic is that the psychic is accurate.” Really? You know, but there’s a bit of a fine line between a kind of divine madness and accurate, clear instruction. You know, the guides that work with me have– they you know deliver books, entire books that don’t require any editing. They’re not written, they’re spoken. And the last probably ten of them were all done before live audiences, you know, and, and recorded. recording is sent off now to be transcribed. In the early days, I used to listen and type, and it’s exhausting. It took three times as long to type the book up than it did to speak it.

Sometimes the books would come through in two weeks. A month was a long time, you know, in those days when I was channeling every day on a manuscript. And so I just have to learn to say, you know, I don’t know how… I, I, I have some facility. I have a decent vocabulary, and I am used to the idea of characters speaking through me from my old days as a playwright when I was young. But I know that I’m just not capable of closing my eyes and speaking now 14 books that don’t require any editing into being. you know, that’s what happens.

And so I get to trust the phenomena of that. I think if somebody asks to be developed, they will be in whatever ways they used to, they used be. You know know you said everybody’s a channel. I think everybody is a conduit for spiritual energy. my definition of channeling tends to be pretty specific, which is transcription is It’s really, What’s the word? Yeah, it’s like the court transcriptionist, the person who sits there.

Guy:
dict-dictation

Paul:
dictation. That’s how I look at this. It’s not about my inspiration, my feelings. When I work psychically, I can, I can do those things and, and enjoy them. But, um You know, other people that I know are getting visual information. They’re getting, all kinds of ways of tuning in. but I’ve said, everybody can play basketball, but I’m never gonna be chosen for a team. I don’t have the physical facility to do that. You know, for whatever reasons, the development that I’ve received seems to be in this way through whatever experience or past life stuff as well.

Guy:
physically suited to do that And there were reasons the development that I received seems to be in this way Gotcha I’ve never experienced or Yeah, exactly. Jordan

Paul:
They’re both great the They’re both great ways to be.

Guy:
yet different That’s Different That’s right That’s right When when um that information is coming through I’m just curious are you it on at the same time Like oh like in your mind going Oh that’s interesting I’ve never heard that or do you have to reflect upon it later if you channel say for an hour or something in or in front of people I’m standing here right now in Lake Taupo in a beautiful retreat space, and there’s a vast difference between an intellectual experience and passive listening to a fully embodied lived experience, ’cause that’s what retreats can do.

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Paul:
Well, I used to use– ’cause when I, when I channel, I do a little prayer protection before I start. And when I’m doing that, I’m kind receding my own consciousness. And I used to describe it as if I was turning the wheel of a car over to the guides, and I was crawling into the back seat to let them do their thing. so I’m hearing from the back seat what’s going on, and if I hear something that I find impossible or perhaps I think I must have heard it wrong or spoken it wrong, I’ve been known to interrupt, and I do it even in the books.

And the guides will say, “Paul is interrupting,” and they’ll usually take the question, because they need me to continue with the dictation Sometimes they’ll say, “We understand your question. We’ll address it later,” and they’ll barrel on, you know, with what they’re doing. But I say that I retain maybe a third of what comes through me. Up until about a year and a half ago, when I channeled, I would whisper everything and repeat it.

Every- would hear everything twice, and it was exhausting. And now it’s started to get– it, it began going directly shortly before the last book was dictated, Divine Union. And now I don’t do it anymore. I never thought that was change. I really thought this was just how I worked. I didn’t complain about it. Other people did. It takes two. “It’s too hard to hear you. It’s too difficult. Make it easier.” and I was like that’s not my problem. This is just how I’m worked with.” And now it’s changed. Who knew? um and I think I retain even less now because I think on the whisper I, I had enough time

Guy:
Gotcha Yeah And y your latest book Divine Union how would you that Like what is the core essence of what’s been coming through

Paul:
I mean I you know I suspect it’s– I would say, ’cause the guides have said many times,

Guy:
that the only real problem with humanity

Paul:
faces is disbelief in separation That we have incurred and perpetuate and act on, and they say it’s an idea. It’s really just an idea, and the idea itself can be renowned, and we can move to a level of union, not only with source, but with one another. And this isn’t, I s- I don’t think this is like a feel-good, airy-fairy rainbows and unicorns kind of thing. I think they’re speaking at a different level. I don’t remember the I remember this book was when I sat down and I did the audio recording for it. That was the first time I actually read through it, and I really loved it. I thought, “This is a really smart book.” It’s really a cl- I was, like, so pleased. I thought they did a good job through me on this one, ’cause when I’m doing it, I have no idea.

People said that was a good lecture. I go, “I hope so, ’cause I can’t go back and change anything.” so it, it’s about what it says, divine union. The claim that they’re teaching these days is, and they use the word God, although they unpack that word too, because it’s gotten so loaded with stuff. But they’ll often say, “I am in God, I am of God, I am with God,” moving into an awareness of one’s unity with the source as form and as everything that exists outside of form and as your, the essence that’s always with you.

Guy:
Cause what what’s coming to me as you speak and and this even just l the words Yeah. within ourselves I feel needs to be healed The

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
you know with our communities and humans to

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
the the greater collective And you know obviously if everything’s by design we’re in a world of now AI is kicking in right Artificial intelligence and and it’s like it seems very easy to outsource our intelligence these days

Paul:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and lose sight of then our own unique abilities that can be atrophying through no better the word from just not using it

Paul:
Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
Uh and I wonder what your thoughts were in the soup of this mix that is happening right now cause I look at it almost like AI versus AI That was the conversation I was having earlier with my mate this week in terms of artificial intelligence versus authentic intelligence where we’re actually developing our own uniqueness So this time

Paul:
a difference between intellectual knowing and information than claircognizance or true knowing different things. And when you move into knowing, one’s true knowing, you’re not really Calling on the information that’s been accrued through what my guides call the common field, which is all born in historical data, you know? I mean, you can put everything that’s ever been written or learned, I suppose into a computer. I don’t have an opinion on all this myself, by the way. I’m just trying to remember what they’ve said in the past, and I’m not channeling now, so I can’t go to them directly and say, “Well, answer the question,” ’cause sometimes that’ll happen.

But one’s innate knowing actually has very little to do with intellectual information. you know you know, and the guides I work with said it’s the true self or the divine self within you that knows. And every time you’ve ever had a moment in your life when you just knew. For example, I knew it was time to leave the marriage or the job, or I knew it was time to get the house or to take the person to the doctor or whatever it was, whatever that knowing is, when it comes, it’s actually n-not really coming at the level of the intellect. You just know what to do, and you do it, and it’s astonishing. And if you look at the difference between that and thinking, “I think I know what time to do this. I think it’s time to leave the marriage. I think…” Totally different thing. Totally different thing.

So there’s nothing wrong with thinking. We all do it. If I don’t know how to cook something, I might wanna look the recipe up online, you know, or, know whatever. But I’m actually, you actually a Luddite, of know? us mean, somebody– I mean, basically, I, have somebody who helps me around here who tells me how to use the printer, I’m really– I’m, I’m, I’m of that age, and I could care less. And if it has buttons on it, I probably don’t wanna to know how it works. But that’s who I am. Um, I think like anything else, anything can be used in a high way. It depends on how it’s utilized.

But as a species we’re very very good at weaponizing everything that we get our hands on or trying to just use it to make more money or to do other things. there are ways that this can be of wonderful help, I’m all for it. But if it does begin to replace the idea of our own true wisdom, and wisdom I don’t think is the intellect, it’s not information, what’s knowing may have a harder time.

Guy:
a problem do the guides ever speak to why I guess the the world is set up the way it is and the way there’s so much division and constructs and

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
and suffering per se Because what what I see and what we do over here right we bring people together We’ll have 40 50 people at a retreat for five days

Paul:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and it’s all literally like every time you said knowing you were touching your heart And just getting people back that space and the the connection the non-judgment the the beauty that comes out of these things as I’m sure you see with your events it’s like it’s in all of us this innate ability to to be supportive and c But yet when out there there’s just a a different narrative that’s

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
being projected

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
and it’s that’s not us That’s how I feel you know

Paul:
I agree I mean the guides has said through me about a million times now that the action of fear is to claim more fear, and every choice one makes in fear gets you more fear. and they said look at the last choice you made in fear and see what it got you.” so they have said that all of the borders that we have between our property and the neighbor’s property or our township and the next one, our country and the next one, these are all human-made. These are all ideas that have been concretized into form through collective agreement that they should be there.

And what the guides I work with teaching is how a world is made new through lifting these things that were created in the lower vibrational field, primarily born in fear. and If I don’t have a fence, they’re gonna steal my crops in my vegetable garden. If I don’t have an extra lock on the door, somebody may break in. And we’ve been taught to use fear as an ally. I lived in New York City for fifty years. I wanted a lock on my door. I thought that was prudent. But I think that there’s a difference between being prudent and being fearful I mean, I live on an island. There are sharks in the water. Once in a while, somebody gets eaten.

Guy:
you know it

Paul:
happens. There’s– when you live where there are sharks in the water. And I can be prudent and say, you know it says shark sighting. I’m not gonna go in the water today.” or I can say, “I’m never going swimming again as long as I live. There may be a shark one day,” you know, which is the other way of operating in fear. And those things just s- you know, steamroll when you begin to choose that way.

Guy:
Most things just fade away You know save one or two things Yeah So so ultimately if we’re born into fear and all we

Paul:
I know.

Guy:
we don’t know anything beyond that

Paul:
Yep, exactly right.

Guy:
in that way

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah How do we then overcome the the feeling then of that can be helplessness that is happening as well Because some of these topics are so big

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
and you just think

Paul:
I do know. Um, I mean, they talk about this stuff a lot. So, you know, a very simple thing to do is to not take actions based in fear. Stop thinking about fear as one’s protector. We should build the biggest bomb. We should… You guides say, “You’ve, built bigger and bigger bombs in the belief that those are gonna keep you safe. Are you crazy?” One day something will go off. That’s what bombs do. you  know the idea that you’re gonna be safe, made safe by something that could destroy everything is rather ridiculous. But the guides talk about, and it’s not an easy teaching, everything- High, low, and in between, they say, is of source.

That doesn’t mean how it’s utilized is of source. That doesn’t mean that people are doing– people aren’t doing awful things in the world and creating in ways that are frightening. but it does mean that everything needs to be re-seen in source in order to be altered. They’ve said a lot, what you put in darkness calls you to the darkness or who you damn damns you back. that’s not a convenient teaching. There are many people that do things that I think are awful, and it’s not– I don’t wanna go– I don’t wanna get behind them, but this isn’t about it– this isn’t a teaching of supporting that kind of behavior.

It is realizing, which is knowing the higher presence where it’s been denied. And then they talk about how that moves into a sta- a transitional state where matter itself can be re-known and restructured. See, you talk about being born into a place of fear, and the guides have said that as well. They said it’s like we’ve all been born into a swimming pool that somebody already peed in. It’s what we’re used to. Do you know? It’s just That’s it So what we know is what we– we’re into this cloudy space. But they talk about that as a common field, and they say that the common field or our shared reality operates as an octave of vibration with its low and its high notes. higher notes You can call up evil, war, all those things, greed and high, tones, love, compassion whatever.

But they say these things are all taking place within an octave of vibration, where they say any piece of music, any song can be sung in a higher octave, can be transposed to be played in a higher field. and their instruction through the attunements that they offer are– it’s the instruction of transposition. So when you begin to operate in the higher field, you begin to call to you what expresses at that level of vibration. And they say that the upper room, which is what they call the next octave of vibration, doesn’t hold the density of fear, fear cannot be lifted at that level. It can be transmuted, but it can’t be lifted in its density. So this is the process that they teach. Divine union is a teaching of being at that level of vibration, where you begin to lift what you encounter to operate at that level. They say because everything was first a thought, everything before it was known in form.

When you restore things to thought, to the first intention behind it, which they say is source, they have said– the guides have said there is one note sung in the entire universe. It’s in manifestation. It’s all things. But operating at different levels of tone or vibration. Anything that has been held in a low tone can be lifted and changed, and they say that’s how a world is made new. That is their teaching. isn’t a self-help teaching. This is about transforming a world, and we do that because we become, world the teaching correctly, in some ways the conduit for that change.

You become the channel for that level of vibration or that level of tone or music or song that lifts what it encounters. So if you can imagine that you’re becoming like a church bell, that’s being ringing all the time because that’s just what you’ve come to, the tone and the resonance of that sound will cover the valley, will cover the world. It extends well beyond you, and through entrainment or vibrational accord, lifts what it encounters to it, and that claims everything in a new potential, a new, a new potential for a restructured way of understanding self and others and world.

Guy:
So to recap that then that is in of a lower resonance and if we are all slowly moving to this new octave over time whatever that looks like wha-whatever time frame I have no idea but then things have to be aired out almost Ev has to come into light

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
that’s why we’re seeing more and more of

Paul:
Yeah,

Guy:
the dust cloud if you like

Paul:
yeah, exactly. You can… They talked about this years ago. It was c- the Book of Truth was the book that they began to talk about this. It this right before the first US election between Trump and Clinton, and everybody assumed that Clinton would win that election. I did. We all did. And I was channeling three days before the election some small city in the Midwest, and the guys said, “Well, g- get ready. What’s about to happen…” He said, “You think your idea of choice is I’ll have the milk or the cream in my coffee, and what’s about to happen is that the table holding the milk and the cream is getting toppled over, and your idea of what should be is about to be changed in radical ways.”

And they said that everything that has been hidden is going to be revealed. And they stayed with that tone, and we’ve seen it happen. continues to happen. But that’s not so that we can point fingers and create more monsters. It does– It is so that we can see what we have all been in vibrational accord to. See, the guides say that we tend to think of manifestation as getting what we want. I want a better relationship. I want a better job. I want more money. the guides say you are in vibrational accord, which is co-resonance with everything that you see. you’re in alignment that level of tone.

When you begin to shift your alignment, you can actually claim something that transforms to a higher level as well. So, I mean it sounds I mean, I failed science. I don’t know physics at all. I have physicist students who say, “Well, you’re speaking about physics.” I say, “Well, maybe.” But all I know is when they talk about it, I kind of believe it because at this point they’ve been right about too much. but nothing has changed until it seems.

Guy:
No that makes perfect sense I appreciate it And you know just uh the way I interpret it or s-see it within myself is that like what I’ve noticed within me there’s there’s been a certain resonance of vibration within my physical body that I’ve felt move Yeah. Like like actually physically move come out of my body and that flowing and a darkness lifted from it

Paul:
Yep.

Guy:
And then and then once that has shifted I’ve noticed in what I’m f then choosing to focus on becomes different because the resonance within me is shifted

Paul:
Absolutely right. Good.

Guy:
my attention

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
how I kind of see it as us individual And I th And then I wonder well wow if we all were attuned to what’s possible and maybe the fear that we hold is not even ours in the first place and it’s just a resonance within that could be shifted and we’re

Paul:
You’re onto it I you’re really onto it. The guides talk a lot about the body, and they say, you know, we’ve denied the divine in our own form. You know, we put God, if there is a God, up on a cloud someplace. But they say if you deny the divine in your flesh, in your blood, in your fingers, you’ve also denied the divine in the sea, in the sky, in the earth. You can… They say everything, you know, it’s about reknowing. They say you can’t make anything holy, it already is. But you can deny the, you can deny the divine in anything. So when you’re releasing at that level, you’re moving to another level of vibration at the level of physical, which transforms your alignment.

Guy:
And the thing is like what you speak of of the knowing earlier to me has become a knowing not an intellectual thought and this one is through the experience itself do completely right. Yep. live it And without it it’s just lip service

Paul:
I completely agree with you. Yeah, it i- it’s gotta be experiential. I completely agree. Otherwise, it’s theory.

Guy:
Yeah Where do you s like I you seem to be a a man that lives very much day by day these days presence if I’m not mistaken and and go with the flow with it Where do where do you see yourself going You you spoke about writing a memoir There’s a

Paul:
Yeah.

Guy:
book Or do you or are you literally more just about in taking each day as it comes and letting it evolve

Paul:
No, I, I have a– I don’t have a five-year plan. I think, I as I never have, you know. Um, I don’t know what I’ll be doing next year. But I assume, unless something happens, and maybe what I’m doing now I, you know I, yeah, I’ve been working on this memoir. It’s challenging. I haven’t done my own writing in many years, and I’m having to confront my story in ways I never thought I would. I’m having to look at my choices in my life. And I just want it to be a truthful whatever it is.

And also, because I taught writing for a long time and I’m a bit of a snob around those things, I want it to be well-written. and, I really do. I don’t want it to be terrible, so I worry about something that’s probably not my business. But no, I travel a lot with my work, a lot, and, um, and I enjoy that. And for the first two years that I was on Maui, which is where I live now, I didn’t go anywhere, and I loved it. You know, I’d been in New York most of my adult life. now I like getting off the island, and I like doing this work with people. Um, but you know I have I mean, there’s nothing I’m wanting. I say,

Guy:
you know I would

Paul:
like a relationship, but I suppose if I really wanted that, pr- maybe I’d have it already, you companion I’m not getting any younger, and I’ve managed to, uh, to bypass that. But I– Some days, I just want 20 dogs. I have two dogs now, and I love my dogs, and sometimes I want 20. I’ve got a feral cat colony at the bottom of my driveway that I’m very happy with. I go visit them and feed them every day. My life is much more simple than it used to be in terms of my, requirements, but I do work that I seem to be good at and generally enjoy most of the time,

Guy:
and

Paul:
I’m fortunate that way. I never thought I would have the life that I have now. I mean I moved to Maui during COVID only ’cause I couldn’t go back to New York City ’cause it shut down, and I was out of the country when that happened You know I was a New Yorker. You don’t have, need a car in New York City. and I barely knew how to cook ’cause you could just get takeout Chinese any day you wanted it. and, I live in a jungle now. I live in the rainforest. It’s nuts. Nobody could believe that this is what my life became, and it was probably the best thing that I ever did. And I did learn how to drive, and I still have never, you know baked a chicken, but I can do other things, you know, with some, some, some usefulness.

Guy:
Yeah, no, it’s great. And, uh, you know, I just want to say before we wrap up the podcast as well, having had you on the podcast over the years, you know, you pop up in my feed here and there, and you. Thank you. Yeah. Where can, um, people find out more? Where can we send them to? Website,

Paul:
My website, which is my name, Paul Selig, S-E-L-I-G.com, and there’s a calendar of events. I think I’m gonna be in Australia next year for a tour. That’s the plan. I don’t think that’s being advertised yet, but it’s in the, it’s in the works. And, um, but yeah, I’m all over the place and I teach online every every week. So I’m channeling on Wednesdays. I know we have people from Australia on the online series, so people are either staying up or maybe it’s morning or something when we do it, I don’t know. But anyway, that’s where it’s all at, and there’s information in the books, and there’s lots of video, and there’s a ton of stuff of me channeling up on YouTube. It’s available, lectures from the guides.

Guy:
Yeah, beautiful. Thanks, Paul. Really appreciate your time, mate.

Paul:
Thank you. Nice to see you again.

Guy:
you, sir. Likewise, buddy.