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Katie:
This year is bringing us out the other side of a huge letting go of centuries of oppression and separation energy. The intensity is pushing people to claim their authentic expression and to claim their voice and to claim what they wanna see in the world, and to start acting accordingly. We have the greatest access to energy to move forward. We can either be pummeled by the wave as it comes in, or you can take that momentum and allow it to carry you all the way to the shore.

Guy:
Guy here, I just realized I’ve still got this old t-shirt on. As I recording this intro. I just got back from the gym and it says barro biking and this t-shirt I’ve, I cling onto it for dear life. Do you ever have those t-shirts? You just don’t want to throw them out. I bought this in Bolivia and we cycled down the road of death on a mountain bike. I dunno if you’re familiar with it. And this apparently is, I think it’s like 64 kilometers that hugs the side of a mountain downhill off road and you literally three wheel the whole way down. And I think they were actually averaging one death a year or two or something like that on this road of tourists going off the side with these pushbikes.

It was going back a while. But it just made me think about this podcast today and I welcome back to the show Katie Sutton. And I’ve actually fast tracked the edit with the team for this one to, because it’s very relevant right now because the energies are shifting frequently. I dunno if you feel it, but I certainly feel it in my personal life. Some of the shifts that have been happening recently have been on a whole new level and. Through these shifts. I’m finding that our attunement to the energy just continues to grow if we are open and willing to claim it back to ourselves, the I Am presence, right. So anyway, Katie comes on. I, I love Katie.

I love the way she speaks about these things. She’s clearly very tuned in and we wanted to speak about not only what’s happened with just the eclipses, but moving into the fire horse year, which I don’t know a great deal about, but I can tell you that the energies are there. So if you’re feeling it. This is a great podcast. We talk about what the energies that are happening, the frequencies are coming to, and how we can best prepare as well. And riding down this road kind of made me feel like riding those energy waves. You obey the rules, you do things correctly, and, and you, you go with it and enjoy the ride along the way.

Otherwise, if you do anything silly or you don’t, don’t listen to what this is saying. You know, you might go for Cliff Edge anyway. I don’t even know if they’re relevant or not, but please let me know where you are in the world. If you’re watching this on YouTube, share it around if you find it helpful. All these things continue to support the podcast and continue to get this message out there and of. Course. I truly hope to get to meet you somewhere in person, somewhere one day at one of our events and retreats that we passionately love do and hold that continue evolving. We will be in Bali at the end of June if that tickles you.

Fancy. It is amazing. The food’s amazing, everything’s amazing, and we are in conversations about coming to the USA as well. So keep an eye out for all that and there’s links and resources and everything else. Anyway, enjoy this podcast. Let me know what you think. My love from me and I’ll catch you soon.

Guy:
Katie, welcome to the podcast.

Katie:
Thank you guy. I am happy to be

Guy:
It’s lovely to have you back. Really good to see you. You’re looking radiant as ever. I’m, I’m assuming all is well.

Katie: Yeah, Yeah. You know, it’s an intense time, but I feel like I am on mission and on purpose and the things that I’ve been through in my life are preparing me for what I’m helping people move through right now. So there’s kind of an energy to that that I’m appreciating.

Guy:
appreciation’s the right word. Let’s talk about that intense time. ’cause I, I podcast quite regular when I’m not running my own retreats and events. So I, I end up doing like three in a week and then a little bit of breathing space and then another three. And when I speak to many people like yourself and I say, how are you? And everyone keeps going for, it’s an intense time, but it’s good, you know, it seems to be a common theme. What do you think is going on? At the moment to make it feel that way.

Katie:
I, I feel like this year is bringing us. Out the other side of a, a huge letting go of centuries of oppression and separation energy. And we’re finally moving into this moment where we get to choose connection or we get to choose to continue to be in that separation. And so we’re at this kind of nexus point of intensity where. In our individual experience, we have to decide what we value and what we hold as an integral part of our being, and start acting more distinctly in alignment with that. And so the intensity, I feel like is pushing people to claim their authentic expression and to claim their voice and to claim what they wanna see in the world and to start acting accordingly.

And. In the level of intensity that we have with things coming to the surface and truths coming to the light about how dis destructive our systems have been and how, um, disjointed our systems have been. We have this breaking down to break through kind of moment that we’re in, and I think those of us that are, are kind of tuned into the spiritual field and the etheric plane are feeling the collective intensity as if we are one body. And as we move out of separation and move more into this understanding of unity and this understanding of co-creation, which is my word for the year that the guides keep bringing through, we’re gonna have to learn how to hold the collective intensity while navigating our own experience. And to be able to calibrate within that, within our nervous systems and within our beings, to be able to navigate everything that’s coming at us.

Guy:
That’s a lot. Isn’t that? You know, it’s just fascinating. It dawned on me this morning ’cause I’ve been having some major shifts in my own. Inner work these last especially months, six weeks. But, but they’ve been accelerating these waves and accelerated, but I’m, I’m proactively activating it too, if that makes sense. I’m not running away from it. I, I get in every morning and I’m like, okay, let’s, let’s keep it moving. But it felt very ancestral. And for the first time this morning, ’cause my dad passed, um, this passed 10 years ago, but, oh, even more now. But I felt like all this. Trauma coming out. That was lineage and it, and it dawned on me. I was feeling how my dad felt when he in his struggles. ’cause I only ever see him really struggle.

Katie:
Yeah.

Guy:
And it was like, wow, that’s really. Like I could really connect to it and release it. And it was, it’s hard. Like it brings up emotions, it brings up stirs up feelings. And then I got kids and I got work and I got podcasts, you know, and you, you navigate in life. But I guess then, ’cause I only share that, ’cause it what you said about this time. Is this the time to really be cleansing all that? Are we talking in a space of, how do you, how do you envisage it happening? At the moment, we’re in 2026. Many people have been talking about old systems collapsing. It seems to be a common theme at the moment.

What are you feeling? ’cause we even spoke about, um, navigating into the fire horse energy as well. As we’re moving into that, I’d love to kind of step back with view our listeners for you to, how you see all this, understanding how we’ve got to this point, where it’s going and what we do while we’re in it.

Katie:
Yeah. Well, it’s interesting ’cause uh, you know, we’re, the fire horse begins February 17th, and so the first beginning of the year has been about actually still the shedding. So we’re in this nexus point as we move into March where we’ve. Thought in January that we were in this new year, but we actually really were not, we were still kind of getting the last of the toothpaste out of the tube, as my guides kept describing it to me in January. And the message that they gave me in the first quarter was Get serious. Um, chop wood carry water is the message that they brought in. And, and so the whole first month and a half into the first quarter, we were still completing these, these phases of energy that we’ve been in for generations. The ancestral energy, the past life energy that we’ve carried, the experiences we’ve had in this lifetime where we’ve been stuck in a trauma loop or stuck in a story that’s still been working its way out.

And then as we move into March and April and get. Further into the year, that’s when we’re really gonna start to see the new beginnings happening. And you know, and it is a beginning, right? It’s a beginning point, and. So what I keep telling people about the fire horse is that it sounds big and bold and fast, which is true, but if you actually observe horses, I don’t know if you’ve ever spent time with horses, um, and with their energy, they’re in the stable or in the field most of the time. They are not racing and moving all of the time. They actually spend quite a lot of time just. Being in receivership of connection and tuning into the earth and the energy around them. And that’s actually kind of the secret of this year, because we’re gonna have so many things coming at us at such a quick and amplified pace.

And there are so many opportunities to reach a new beginning or to move forward, but not everything’s going to be aligned for each individual. All of the choices that come at us, we really have to sit. Internally and get quiet enough and move out of whatever biases or programming we’ve been given and really figure out who we are and what we want. And after sitting in that, then we get the awareness of, oh, this is the action that I need to take. This is where my mission is in helping to build this new thing that we’re all building together right now, that we’re all co-creating together. And, and I think that it’s gonna be easy for people this year to get very burnt out and overwhelmed. Because there’s so much fire energy coming. Whereas last year, we were kind of in this Hermitage inward space, which was really good because we did the spelunking in the caves, right? We got in and we figured out, oh, this is where I’m stuck. This is where this is coming from. These are where I’m stuck in relationships.

This is what’s not moving forward in my career. But we didn’t actually have the energy to really do much about it. e were just having to sit and stew in it. And so as we come into Fire Horse in February 17th and beyond, now we have the energy to be able to move some things forward, but we’re kicking off this year, this, this Chinese astrological New Year, which is on, on the 17th with a solar eclipse. And a lunar eclipse two weeks later, and a mercury retrograde cycle. So even as we move into this new energy and then get into March, we’re gonna be integrating a lot of shadow. And when we have shadow coming to the surface, whether that’s at the collective stage or the individual stage.

The most important thing that it’s asking us to do first is to look at and be in a state of feeling whatever is arising so that we can fully process it so that whatever we need to take forward as wisdom, we can hold and whatever is no longer needed that we don’t need to create from anymore or harness anymore can fall away. And I think the, the beautiful thing about this year is that’s going to happen without us having to dig very much, right? Like just sitting down and getting intentional, as you said. Things are gonna come to the surface and there’s gonna be so much truth and clarity coming forward at the collective level this year that that’s also going to be present for us too. You know, the downside to that is that we’re, we’re coming out of this 14 year. Cycle with Neptune, where it was in Pisces and now it’s in Aries, and that shifted in January and as that shifted, it was like somebody came in and ripped the bandaid off and everything that we were holding an illusion or kind of just kidding ourselves about.

Is now coming to the surface to be seen. And I think that’s why this is gonna be kind of a sobering, uh, first and second quarter of the year because we’re gonna have to look at all the hard things. And then in the back half of the year, we might have processed enough to be able to get the clarity about how to build something differently, whether that’s for us as individuals are also at the collective level.

Guy:
Wow. So how do you navigate this? Because it’s all well and good listening to this. Everyone could be listening to this. Oh, right. So, you know, early part, but there’s one thing listening to it and bringing on this information, but actually then utilizing, navigating it so we don’t become the victim of these energies either. Because it’s so easy to go, well, these energies are happening. That’s why I feel like this and I’m just gonna, you know, lose my shit. And I can blame murdering record grade or the eclipse or whatever it might be. Do you know what I’m saying? And we’re giving our power away at the same time, but it’s like, how do you that? So knowing this, but then utilizing it so we actually move forward utilizing the energy thus presenting itself.

Katie:
Well, one of the things that I tell my clients is in times of chaos, we have the greatest access to energy to move forward. So we can either be pummeled by the wave as it comes in, or I’m sure you’ve surfed before. You can ride the wave, you can ride the current, and you can take that momentum and allow it to carry you all the way to the shore. And so, you know, I actually find the periods where there’s less stuff coming to the surface and less astrological stuff happening to be harder for me personally, because there’s almost this energy of stagnance where we’re just kind of not able to move anything forward this year in all of this bigness that’s coming in and this, this forward momentum energy. You have the opportunity to say, wow, this is a huge moment of growth.

This is a huge moment where I can access that energy and I can either let the chaos of what’s happening just make me feel powerless and make me feel, um, overwhelmed, or I can figure out how to take care of myself enough so that I can harness the intensity of this to be almost the fire in my rocket ship to carry me forward. Right? And, and so that’s really the, the, the kind of knife edge that we’re walking on. We. We don’t wanna deny what’s happening, we don’t wanna bypass it. That’s probably the worst thing that you could do this year is avoid feeling or avoid looking at things because the universe is gonna make it very clear and kind of bring a lot of friction in if you try to avoid this year. But if you can face it head on and say, wow, I’m not in this alone. The whole world is in this moment of, of. Of transformation and I’m, I’m not doing this in a vacuum.

And, and if I can understand that I’m not alone, then perhaps I can tap into this collective field of pain that we’ve been in and find a solution for myself and for those around me of how we can come together and we can love and support one another. And so in times of intensity when, when difficult things are happening, we watch humans come together. We watch. People stand up for one another. We watch people come together and support their community and to, you know, deal with things in times of crisis that they wouldn’t normally do. They wouldn’t normally have the courage to do, or they wouldn’t normally use their voice. And so there’s an amazing opportunity. To say, wow, we see all these things that are falling apart. But, but actually that’s a great thing because they haven’t really worked for the masses.

They’ve worked for a, a small amount of people, but they haven’t really supported the whole collective. And, and I think that’s what gives me hope right now because, um, the things that are coming to, to light and will continue to come to light this year are going to show us. How deeply disconnected we’ve been from the sacred reciprocity between the masculine and feminine, between us and the earth, between. Those that have, and those that do not have. And, and there’s gonna be this kind of leveling of playing field this year where there’s a realization that the people that we thought might have had the answers of how to move forward really don’t. And we have to go inward and figure out how to move forward as a collective and how to support one another in creating things in a way where, um, separation isn’t at the forefront.

Guy:
Do you think it’s forcing us to become our own guru, to really start to become, you know, yeah.

Katie:
which is interesting. As a spiritual teacher and helper, I always tell people, please don’t put me in that category because I’m also human. I’m also navigating my own challenges. My role is to be as authentic as possible in talking about how I’m navigating it and to honestly just be a couple of steps ahead of the people that I’m trying to help through. And I really feel like as, as guides and helpers when we’re tapping into the field and getting kind of an awareness of the energies. It’s not because, you know, we’re, we’re more enlightened than anybody else. It’s just what our role is to kind of be out in front, right? Somebody has to go first. Somebody has to walk through that shadow or that initiation first and have the experience of that in their being and, and navigate that so that they have that key inside of them, so that those who come after them can start to say, oh, they did it, so maybe I can do it too.

And so it’s about being a mentor or a role model or a way show in that way. And, and that doesn’t mean that you outsource that to somebody else. You witness how they’ve moved through and you say, that’s possible. I can do that. And ideally, whoever you’re helping, you’re empowering to be able to know that they can do it too, which is why I think it’s so important that people share their stories and share. What they’re moving through, not so that, not just so that they can process, but so that others know that it’s possible to move through these really hard things that we all navigate as human beings.

Guy:
I’m so happy you said that. It’s interesting, isn’t it? Because once we, like, we see people all the time, and I think we’re so conditioned by society to give away our power. We’re constantly being taught to look outside of ourselves. For, for solutions. And nobody, nobody really ever showed us how to, to connect to that divinity within us. And once that connection’s there and once we start to develop it and trust it, then all of a sudden we’re not. We, we are getting inspired and being pulled by something far greater than us,  isn’t it, than being pushed along in our, in our everyday life. But it’s, it’s getting, and do you feel like these, these energies that are constantly shifting is just basically pressuring us into, you know, I always used, when, when I saw my company, I don’t, if I ever saw, I had a t-shirt and I, I had it printed for myself.

I said, no pressure, no diamond. And, and I thought, right. That’s my mantra at the moment. ’cause I was feeling the pressure, like, like which I, which I am at the moment actually, interestingly. But, but I, I think the dances or is being able to. Separate oneself from the emotion that’s happening and being the witness to it as opposed to going into it. How do you do that in your personal journey, or how do you help others with that? Because even yesterday when stuff was coming up, and I’ve been feeling into this for the last three or four days, to the point where I’m burping all the time and things are just coming out, it’s like.

Katie:
Hmm.

Guy:
And then I got little kids. I got, you know, we’re going out, we do, I’m trying to do it my day and, and it’s taking everything I have to be present or the best of my ability and, and it’s like, Jesus, this fucking sucks.

Katie:
Yeah, it’s kind of like being a marathon partner. Like you have to train for it, right? Because you’ve got all these different inputs happening at once. I, this morning I had something, my assistant was here and we were talking about something and I got really triggered and, um. I, I did what I do with my own personal time right in front of her. I closed my eyes and I started breathing and I basically started talking to the feelings that were coming up and I started saying out loud, it’s okay for me to feel this intensity. It’s okay for me to feel this pain. It’s okay for me to be angry. It’s okay for me to be sad. And I just started. Being with that part that was in that trigger and vocalizing it for me, so much of my life path in this lifetime is about using my voice and teaching other people to use their voice to express, because as an empathic child, I felt everything, but I didn’t get to express it and there wasn’t anybody listening and, and so I’ve learned in those moments that I.

If I’m in something where it’s not appropriate for me to do that, I have to excuse myself and I have to take that minute, and it’s normally takes me about 30 to 90 seconds to actually fully feel the trigger in the moment. That doesn’t mean that I don’t have to come back around to it later when I have my longer meditation and really look at what was triggered and, and what’s buried there, and kind of, you know, ghost belonging in that moment. But if I can initially, as it’s triggered. Give some awareness to it, even if it’s five seconds of awareness, that’s better than nothing. What I’m, what I find with people is that, you know, they come to me for session or they come to a workshop or whatever, and. They have been holding and holding and holding and holding, and then there’s like this explosion almost where there’s so much intensity that, that it takes ’em out of their body.

And I think our practice right now is finding those micro moments of joy and those  micro moments of connection where we can really fully be present so that we can process in little bits and bites because it’s not. Sustainable for us to all have a three hour meditation practice, which is what it would probably take for us to work through all of the intensity happening at once. We have lives, we have jobs, we have things that we’re responsible for, and so we have to be better about being vulnerable in the moment wherever we are. And I have cried in restaurants lately. I have cried in the car, uh, a red light and somebody has seen me. It is, it’s just this moment of, of being allowed to be whatever is coming up.

And, and I think that’s part of what our job is too, as empaths and sensitives, is to show people what that looks like and, and to not be ashamed of it. Right. Even if we. Can’t vocalize it in the moment. Let the tear fall. Right? Let the laugh out. Let the moment of frustration come forward because, um, we’ve been bottling it for so long and when we bottle things, they go sideways. Our behavior gets really sideways. Things come out in really weird ways that we don’t intend and we’re like on a hair trigger all the time, and our nervous systems and our beings just can no longer take that level of suppression, I don’t believe. I think we’re, we’re at a. A mass saturation point in our collective nervous system of the level of input that we can take.

And I think this year is going to keep pushing that dial and we’re gonna have to keep a consistent, harmonious connection to self where we’re radically honest with what is present inside of our beings. And in that radical honesty, we create space for that to be released.

Guy:
Beautiful. Beautiful. It’s like, um, I, I look at my children at the moment. My daughter’s five and a half and my son’s. Just gone too. And the amount of emotions they show in the space of a few minutes is insane. A whole, but there’s no suppression. They’re just, they’re just. Go through it and, and everything is, you know, and as a parent, I do my best not to shut it down, you know, uh, I almost label it go, okay. They, they decided to express that emotion at the moment, that one, you know, as opposed to let it, you know, get caught up in the vacuum of that energy, which, uh, can easily get done as well. And as adults, we just, we just bottle it, don’t we? We just hold

Katie:
Yeah. In that moment when you’re witnessing them, that’s the exact same exercise for us to do for our own inner children. Right? And, and that also includes in those moments where we want to express, enjoy, and we want to express in play and we want to do the silly thing that we think is awkward in the moment that nobody will understand. It’s also allowing that too, right? We, we don’t. We, we can’t build the trust with that inner part of us to, to be its parent if we don’t also allow it to be in its jubilance. And it’s, it’s playful vibrations too. And, and that is, is key in our creative process in the projects that we’re taking part in, in, in our spiritual practice even.

You know, so many of us have tried to make our spiritual practice so serious and heavy and make it this, this really dense work that we have to move through that’s gonna come. You don’t have to, you don’t have to make it be that. It’s already gonna be that because of where we are as a collective. And so how can you find the joy in whatever the practice is? And, and I try to remember that when I’m teaching too, that, that the, the funny parts of me are, the joyful parts of me are coming out as much as the parts that are, you know, dealing with the sorrow and the pain of the world. Like it’s, it’s being able to hold both. Inequality. I think that really creates the neutrality for us to be able to move forward in this human experience.

Guy:
I love that. Shit’s gonna come anyway, so, so laugh at yourself along the way, for God’s sake.

Katie:
Yeah. yeah. I mean, I think any spiritual teacher that you talk to, especially those from the, you know, seventies and eighties that were very popular. They, they were very quick to, to. Tell jokes and to laugh at themselves if they were in a space of leadership, because there’s an understanding that we’re all just human, right. We’re all trying to do the best that we can to figure this out and helping each other through it along the way.

Guy:
I know on a side note, I remember I got invited to a weekend workshop of Kundalini. I didn’t know what it was at the time, but this was going back and they’d flown this guru in and I was the only one in there and my cross, Vicki and everyone was sitting in there and they white stuff and I was like, oh my God, I’m a fish out of what you but that, but that. But the whole time, the weekend, this guru laughed at his own jokes. He was just, couldn’t stop laughing. And he was so jolly. I had a great time with him. I thought he was, I thought he was great. But, uh, yeah, there’s some valid lessons in that. ’cause all the students were in there, they were very stout, very, you know, wanna impressed the teacher kind of thing. And, uh, yeah. And he, he, he broke that paradigm very quickly, that’s for sure. Yeah, it was

Katie:
Yeah. That’s what I always look for when I look for a teacher or a leader or somebody that I’m, I’m trying to learn from. I’m, I’m looking for their human authentic expression in there, because that’s how I make connection with others, and that’s how I, as an. Feel safe if there’s, if there’s a performance happening, I immediately feel that internally. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re a bad person. It just means that I may not resonate with that energy. And, and it’s the same, you know, I, I’ve been watching, um, figure skating lately because I, I have this thing of loving when people are in their full expression and in their full creative process and just like the, the energy that, that, that brings forward when you witness somebody in the zone like that.

And that’s what I aim to be in, in my work because, um, I feel like there’s, there’s something that carries through when you’re, when you’re that connected to what it is that you’re doing and that passionate about what you’re doing. And those are the people that I wanna learn from and wanna be surrounded by because they inspire me to keep going when things are really, really challenging and things are really, really difficult.

Guy:
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t agree more. You mentioned as well, I just wanna pick up on something ’cause it’s kind of, I keep, keep seeing this imagery. ’cause you mentioned like the collective energy of the, and the nervous system as if it’s a collective nervous system. And I think it’s easy for people to forget that the, the field of energy, the collective field is influencing us at any given moment, but we’re just so caught up in our own stuff. Right. And then we’ve got our own nervous systems that are, you know, bombarded with the, the. The advancements in technology and everything that’s going on in our day-to-day lives. And then you’ve got stuff, like you said, that the nervous system can’t even cope with anymore. I think it’s time to that we are all having to release this collectively.

Do you, do you feel as a species, as human, and I’m just kind of looking through my own lens. ’cause I kind of feel this is what’s been happening on my journey. That our nervous systems and our bodies are actually adapting. It’s as if they’re sprouting new potential ways of. Uh, being,

Katie:
Yes.

Guy:
I’d love to hear your

Katie:
Yeah.

Guy:
that.

Katie:
It is interesting ’cause I have quite a few practitioners that I help and do sessions with to support them. And in the last couple of weeks they’ve all been showing up and they’ve been asking me the same thing. They ask me what I do when I’m in session and right after session to Reground and to reclaim my space. And these are seasoned practitioners that have been in their craft for a long time, like 20 years as a massage therapist, 20 years as an acupuncturist, like. People that have been, and, and they’re asking me this because there’s an intensity that they’re feeling that they’ve never felt before. So as I’ve been channeling about this, what the guides have brought through and what I’ve kind of been meditating on is that there’s two things happening at once.

One, we’re evolving and our gifts and, and literally the psychic veil is thinning. Right. We’re, we’re connecting more. We’re co-creating with spirit more. Our intuitive abilities are coming online because the intuitive is the divine feminine and she is rising up from beneath the surface in all of us to to reactivate. We’re remembering things from other lifetimes, so people are getting more psychic, which is amazing. But guess how we tune into that? The nervous system is the glue between the masculine and feminine or the spidey sense that is. Processing all of those signals. It’s processing the technology around us and the EMF, it’s processing what’s happening in the collective. It’s processing what’s happening just as stimulation in our environment and our intuitive senses.

It’s making sense of what’s coming in through our intuitive landscape, and so we’re, we’re shifting how we access those abilities and the intensity in the world is increasing at the same time. And so even as a space holder, I have had to change how I’m holding my container, how I’m holding my field, my practices before and after session. When I run a group, uh, workshop, for example, let’s say I have like 80 people joining a class or you know, 20 people joining a retreat, I’m setting up the energy of that months in advance. Before the thing even starts because people are already plugging in because they are desperate because they have no ability to ground because of the intensity.

So they’re already trying to plug into my nervous system. So there’s all of these teachings that the guides have brought through for me personally and how I’m supporting the collective. And you know, even when your reach expands, like as you get more people witnessing your podcast, your nervous system feels all of that, it is a. Constant hypervigilant input device, right? And, and so we’re training our systems to be able to be okay with all the inputs and, and the downside to that, or I guess maybe the opportunity with that is that our moments of solitude or our moments of peace and quiet are more vitally important than ever. How we nourish ourselves, how we take care of that system when we’re not on, when we’re not in connection with anyone else is of vital importance. And what a lot of people are doing with that downtime is continuing to be hooked into a screen, hooked into something that is activating their system further.

And so they never actually have a stop moment where everything settles. And because they don’t have that moment, they are under-resourced to a degree. That is alarming to me when I connect to their energy field. The level of depletion that is there is extreme and and the guides brought through this, this information about co-creating this year, and they said we’re gonna kind of go through a, a multi-stage process with that this year where we first start by co-creating between ourselves and the earth. Like we’re gonna work on our. Our bodies, our beings in the first part of the year. And just grounding and like figuring out what we need to do to take care of ourselves now ’cause it’s ever evolving. Then we’re gonna have this co-creation work with source where we start to get more downloads and more awarenesses and we have to start expanding that conversation.

And as we get that channel kind of solidified that top to bottom channel anchored, and we’re in co-creation with that, then our conversation with our fellow humans is going to change. And how we co-regulate and how we co-create and how we relate to one another is going to evolve. And this is a beginning point this year. This is not an end point. And so a lot of the work that I’m doing right now with people when they show up for session is just co-regulating with them, breathing with them, bringing in love and witnessing whatever they’re going through and slowing everything down. And that’s the key is slowing it down, right? Slowing it down enough to feel the intensity without it being a wave that pulls us under.

Guy:
There’s a lot in that you shed. Um, no. It’s 1000%, isn’t it? Like there’s just distractions everywhere. Everywhere. And it’s fascinating. I. Where you speak of about when you run a, a, a retreat or you run a workshop or whatever it might be. Because we, we get, like, I’m, I’m running a live event probably every three weeks on average. Sometimes in our one day events, we’ll get up to a hundred people come podcasts. I don’t know how 250,000 views, 300 views a month, like, but it’s been building. Even on our retreats, we had 50 people in Croatia and it’s like. I, it, I dunno. I, I look at it like the gym where I’m doing reps in the bar basically.

And slowly my, I’ve noticed my body change to adapt to that. Where it just doesn’t knock you around like it would, or, or as you manage that, as that energy comes in, I just find that whole thing fascinating. Like you say, once people. It’s kind of consciously, unconsciously hook in. They’re gonna go to that, they’re gonna do that, and then their energy start to align. That creates something so unique in that event that couldn’t be recreated ever again, because the individuals that are in it, right, like it’s, it’s wild. Doesn’t that blow your mind? It blows my

Katie:
it’s chemical magic.

Guy:
E. Exactly. Exactly. Who? You, me. You’ve mentioned your guides a lot and I think I should bring that into the conversation. ’cause I know people will be like, huh? Guides. What? Guides, who are you talking about? So when you say guides, is it, do you work with just solely guides? You work with ascended masters? Um.

Katie:
I have a collective of different beings that come in. It depends on what I’m working with. Um, in the last couple of years, I’ve been working a lot more with Mother Earth herself and just connecting through the sites that we go to. We do, we travel to certain places. We just went to Glastonbury in the end of. End of last year and we’re actually taking people, we have one more spot left for our group in May and, and of all of the places I’ve been, there was a level of connection in that place to the divine feminine collective that I channel that I have never experienced anywhere else. And so I keep getting taken to these places to get introduced to new languages that the earth speak and different guides and helpers that facilitate that connection.

And so there’s a divine feminine collective that I work with that has beings like Qua Yin and Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene and Anna, grandmother of Yashua and beings like that. And they come to me as a collective because they’re helping me with just embracing my feminine energy and helping all of the women and the men that I work. With to embrace their feminine. And then I have a divine masculine collective that I work with that brings in the other side of balance with beings like Yeshu and Archangel Michael and Archangel Metatron and some of the guides that you would typically think of in that more masculine sense. But, but now they’re kind of coming in in this. This blended collective. Um, and they’ve been doing that since about 20 17, 20 18 with me, and that’s the 12th dimensional collective that I channel. And they’re kind of the creator beings, as I call them.

They’re holding that highest 12th dimensional frequency where we’re really starting to cultivate in our 12th chakra, our connection to the seller gateway into unity consciousness. And so that collective in particular has delegates from all of these other collectives. So they’re kind of the my main group, if you will. And then depending on what I’m working on in a class or a workshop or where we are in the world, if we’re doing a travel retreat, there’s certain beings that will step forward with certain codes and information. But at this point, it’s less important for me to be speaking about who they are versus the energy that’s coming through and helping to have people make that direct connection themselves because. I think when we’re channeling information, if there’s not a human Connect point to it, then it can get really easily lost in translation.

What matters, right? And so they always are asking me to remind people that. If you’re channeling or you’re connecting to your guides, the most important thing you can do is remember that you are also your own guide. That you are also a reflection of this divine energy and this divine beingness that is all around us. And when we connect in directly to that and we remember our worthiness. Then we can call in whatever energy we need for whatever situation we’re moving through, and the guidance will just come in. I had an experience last year where I had a new group of guides come in and I was in meditation and I was working on truth and um, G Guinevere and King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table came in with.

Their, their truth sword. And they started giving me all this information and that’s when I got called to Glastonbury. And so it’s kind of like this fact finding mission where people will show up or guides will show up and they give me some information and then they move me into another place and I’ll work with them for a period of time and then something else will come in. And that’s how my spiritual process has always been. It’s, um, very dynamic I would say.

Guy:
Clearly how, how are you receiving that information? Do you have a certain CLA that comes online more than others? Like how does it come in for you? I.

Katie:
I am a felt sense first. So my cla sentience is through the roof. When somebody shows up and they’re dealing with grief, it has a particular texture and feeling in my body, for example. Um, and so in, in the guides that I’ve connected with, I have this kind of repository in my field where it’s a scale of energy that I can connect to, and they have a specific feeling, tone and vibration. So for example, when Yeshua comes in, he has. Specific feeling that happens in my body and then I get a visual indication and then I might get his name and some specific teachings that come through from him.

Um, and It all kind of happens at the same time. But my primary driver has always been my feeling in my body. So my body being open and clear is super important for my process. Hence why my body is the most important lesson that I’ve had in this lifetime. And then the visuals. And then the auditory things come, but it always comes first through. That felt sense?

Guy:
feeling. Yeah. That’s fascinating. What, because I, I just asked for my own reference point as well. You know, because I get, as a field opens up. Uh, the different presences come into support clearly. And you know, for me it’s always a feeling and a knowing. It’s never really fireworks and, you know, visuals and lights, but color starts to come in as well, depending. Yeah, it’s fascinating. What, what, um, what’s the, I wanna go off on a tangent for a sec, but Glastonbury. What’s it like and what do you do when you get there? Are you using the, the, the land and the earth frequencies to upgrade everyone that’s there, basically? Would that be it in a

Katie:
So So when I got called there, um, it happened very quickly. Within about three months, I had booked everything and went, and we went at the end of October. So right around, um, Swin, um, we were there over Swin actually. And, um, I really didn’t know why I was going there. I just have known for the last five years that I was supposed to go there eventually, and every time I checked in to say, Hey, should I go there? I got, you’re not ready. You’re not ready. You’re not ready. And, and Glastonbury is, you know, believed by most to be the heart chakra of the world. So there’s key places around the world that represent different chakras of Mother Earth.

And if you map out the lay lines of Glastonbury actually bought a map. I mean, there are thousands of energetic lay lines that cross at key sites in Glastonbury, just like in other parts of the world that I go to, like Peru and Mount Chasta in different places. But what happened there for me was, was the most transformational awareness of divine feminine energy that I have ever experienced. Um. The first day we walked into the Chalice, well in the Chalice Gardens, which is this beautifully manicured place that that holds space for the chalice well, which is this, this massive spring of well water that’s just constantly flowing. And we hadn’t even gotten to the well yet. And I walked into the gardens and I dropped to the ground and just like burst into tears and, and I immediately heard.

Full on heard, not just felt this, this presence of you are here to receive. Stop trying so hard. And one of my biggest teachings in this lifetime is to not be in my wounded male energy and forcing and doing, and to slow down and to just know that I’m worthy of receiving as much as I’m giving. And this place changed something inside of me in a way that I haven’t experienced anywhere else. And we went and visited the well, and I’m sitting in silence by this, this very simple, but beautiful. Well, and I could see with my psychic sense, which is unusual for me to see it to that degree, the light pouring out of this. Well, and it felt like you were standing in front of like a wind tunnel because the energy was so palpable. And we walk down through the garden and we get to the end of the garden and there’s these two beautiful U trees, YEW, and and I had the most expansive awareness of protection, energy, and the divine masculine that I’ve ever felt.

Anywhere, and it was these two trees and they’re standing at the front of this garden and they are literally shielding this pure feminine vessel of a well from anybody that might want to take from or harm that pure divine feminine energy. And there was this moment inside of me where all of the teachings that I have had. Brought through about the balance of the masculine and feminine and the understanding of what the divine feminine is and what the divine masculine is. It was like I, I got the fullness of that and could feel it as a code in my body in a way that I’ve never experienced before. And then as this shear has come around the teaching of, of the dark, trying to take the light, which I have always known, but it, it, it was so much this, this predatory like extraction energy that was, was present that they were shielding her from. And, and what they kept saying to me is, this is our role.

This is gonna, this has been happening since the beginning of time. This beautiful feminine light is, is being extracted from and we’re protecting her. And this is just what our role is. And it was so neutral. And how they described it. They weren’t angry, they weren’t put upon. It was like, this is just what we do. This is, this is how this world has been formed and this is what our role is right now, has been sitting with me. I’ve been sitting with that and it’s been staying with me since I left. And now that all these things are coming out about how the feminine has been harmed and it’s becoming more and more clear in our collective, you know, just how extensive that is. I keep thinking about those trees and I keep thinking.

How can I do that for myself, right? How can I hold my feminine energy and my emotions and, and my energetic space sacred and protect, not in a defensive way, but in this neutral, empowered way, and how can I show other people how to do that and how can I help the masculine to know how to be the protector? It’s just brought this whole facet to my work and what I think my work in the future is gonna be that I was not expecting. And, and I brought the water back and I did this whole three week course where I sent, uh, an elixir off to people that I made, and we worked through a heart opening with the well water that is carrying all these codes. And it’s just been like the most amazing experience ever. It’s changed me at a really deep level.

Guy:
Wow. I’m glad I asked. I it’s fascinating as you say. Now, Alex, I, I heard Zach Bush, you know, are you familiar with Zack Bush?

Katie:
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Guy:
Speak about he went, he did some, some ceremony somewhere. I don’t know, I can’t keep up with him, but he, he had this vision that, uh. A bird was flying with one wing, and the wing represented masculine energy, and that’s how we’ve been operating in our world. And we’ve just been flying in circles, you know, repeating the same patterns over and over and over again with this very dominant masculine energy. And now it’s the, the other wing is beginning to rise, and finally we can actually move forward equaling out those energies and. Supporting one another as, as we enter this shift. And that always stuck with me. And as you were sharing that, that, that, that’s what was coming to mind, uh, that he

Katie:
You know that garden that I visited, um, it was actually founded, I think I might get the date wrong, but it’s somewhere around the 1920s and it was actually a male banker who saw this well and this property and said, this needs to be protected. We have to take care of this, informed, this kind of nonprofit to create this garden. So that, that this place is held sacred. And there’s other places in Glastonbury that are equally as powerful, but they’re not protected in the way that that place is.

And so the energy there is so incredibly pure because it’s been cared for, because it’s been protected, because a masculine protector stood up and said, I’m donating all this money that I’m making. So that it can be saved, so that it can be protected. And that’s kind of what I think about when you talk about the one wing. It’s like we have the resources and the means to be able to do this, to transform this. We just have to make different decisions and different choices. I

Guy:
1000%. That’s why I am actually hopeful and optimistic. In all honesty, because I, I get to see humans, to humans coming together with all their shit. With all their stuff, and they’re ready to connect to something far deeper. And how, how can a, you know, you put a. A room full of strangers together for five days, and they feel like they know each other deeper at a deeper level than some of their family or friends because all the judgements, the masks, everything is lifted and they’re allowed to really get back to their authentic self and see somebody else for their self and love them for who they are and embrace all their quirks and nuances and everything else and not judge them.

Katie:
That’s my favorite, favorite part of hosting anything is watching everybody’s little inner children play together.

Guy:
Exactly.

Katie:
I also watch their inner children trigger each other, which is, you know, fun to just be the witness and observer of, right, because we’re all practicing that. I, I always say that, you know, 95% of all the conflict on the planet is children in conflict with one another, not adults in conflict with one another. And so. It, it’s just giving us the opportunity to remember that we’re all humans regardless of what we believe in or who we voted for, or whatever. All of that stuff is. There’s, there’s a level of connection available beneath all of that.

And you know, I have people that come to our travel retreats and maybe they’ve never been brave enough to travel. Somewhere like that themselves. And they’re in this group and it’s like this whole new energy, right? And they’re eating new food and all kinds of new experiences. And I love watching the progression over the week that we’re away, or however long we’re away together, where there’s this light inside of them that just. Comes out that I saw the potential of in there, but they hadn’t connected with in a long time. And it is such a privilege to be able to do this work and witness people all the time. Transforming, I mean the, the things that people share with me and the things I get to witness.

And, you know, I’ve had clients for six or seven years and I’ve gotten to watch. How they have like transformed and how they’re in their power and how they’ve transformed their families or their work. And it is the ultimate privilege to be able to witness that. And, and it gives me a lot of this feeling of spiritual privilege where I have a lot more hope because I see all of the inner work that’s happening behind the scenes that people don’t get to see. And you know, it’s gonna keep looking terrible at the top of the house.

I, I would love to say that we’re gonna flip a switch and it’s gonna look really great in the, you know, the powers that beer are gonna just get it. That’s probably not going to happen anytime soon, right? But there are people every day who are making different choices and are choosing to support one another and choosing to do their inner work and to heal these things. And that’s how we’re going to build and transform the future.

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely. One last, um, uh, area I want to cover, which is coming to me as you, as you were sharing that I think would be valuable for people is that, um, around. The, because you mentioned the body and the vessel and the container that is holding in, and we’ve spoke about adaptation because you had such a profound experience in Glastonbury and I, and I could just feel, people say, well, if I go to Glastonbury, why don’t I get that experience right.

Or why aren’t I feeling that? I don’t feel anything, I’m just, you know, but I’m, I want it, you know what I mean? But at the same time, um. The body is continually adapting to hold the frequencies that are ever present, but we just can’t attune to them because the, the, the physical component of ourself is ready to receive. Would that be a fair summary?

Katie:
For this trip, I did six to eight weeks of preparation to be able to receive because, because I, I knew it had taken me five years to be ready to go to this place. So I,  spirit gave me very specific directions about what I needed to do leading up to the journey to prepare my vessel to be able to handle. The heart codes and the level of receiving that I was going to come in for me. And so I spent eight weeks doing, uh, plant baths where I would make this tea of, of, of plants and like pour them over me in the shower to cleanse me. And then I was working with a particular, uh, heart opening essence, like a vibrational essence.

And I did certain mantras and I did certain prayers and offerings to the land before I left. I did a lot of work. To be ready. And even the group that we’re taking in May, I’m gonna start with them in early April, preparing them to receive the codes because these places will blow you open and blow your circuits out and, and Glastonbury especially is like this giant mirror. So whatever you’re holding, you’re gonna get it right back. So if you’re not in a, a place of preparation, you are probably gonna receive something, but you may not receive what you expect. But I also went into this trip with a healthy dose of, um, I don’t know what to expect. Right? I, I don’t wanna have any expectations.

I just wanna be open and experience the land. And then when I got to the land, I was working with a local land guardian there, and we were doing offerings. And she was helping me to connect as we arrived. And there’s a specific order of the sites that. In the day, back in the day when they would do pilgrimage pilgrimages to this, well, um, there was a specific, you know, they would sit on the land for three days in prayer and then they would go to this next site. So there’s, there’s ways of approaching this, right? So if you come to Mother Earth. With reverence. If you come to her with this feeling of curiosity without expectation that you’re, you’re do something right. She just wants to be respected and she just wants to be taken seriously. And if you bring that forward, that is like the key.

Right. That’s the, that’s the, the key to the door. But if you don’t, um, you’ll, you’ll receive right? Probably more than you realize, but it, it won’t be maybe as, as big as it could be because you haven’t prepared the vessel. And you know, that’s, that’s the process that I walk when we do these retreats and that’s why I create the containers so that people can be held in that and, and kind of understand that process of connecting with her. And that starts in my backyard, by the way. Right? Like I live in the city, I. And it starts by me going out and making offerings to my tree in my backyard, knowing that that place is just as powerful and as important as any of these other places that I’m gonna go to because she is all one energy. And just having that conversation with her as much as possible.

Guy:
I, I connect with the mother Earth every morning and every night before every, and thank her like it’s something I’ve always done and feel into her presence without holding. It’s so critical, isn’t it?

Katie:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
I had, um. There’s two loops I wanna close before we, we wrap up the podcast one, one is you, you really off the cuff mentioned the 12 chakra right as you were. You’re shouting away now, I’m assuming. Is that the third one above the head? Is that how

Katie:
Yes. so we have, the 10th chakra, which is at the back of the head, and then we have the 11th and the

Guy:
yeah. Okay. Okay.

Katie:
Mm-hmm. And it’s, it’s, I tell people it’s like our own personal sun or our own personal source energy. Just like we have an earth star chakra beneath the feet, about 18 to 24 inches, and it’s our own personal earth. And if we’re cultivating that wherever we go, we can be connected. Right. It’s not, it’s, it’s, it’s our own. Distinct energetic frequency connection to that. Our own specific one within our energy body, but we have infinite chakras and we’re gonna keep, I did a class last year where we connected 13 through 18, and eventually I’ll do 19 through 22 in a class because we’re bringing more and more chakras in frequencies online every day.

Guy:
So, so our field is getting more and more tuned. Would you say it’s getting expanding as well?

Katie:
Yes. I think we’ve got to expand to be able to shift into the light that I think we’re going to in terms of what we can hold and you know, as we raise our personal frequency, our access point to that, those higher frequencies comes online. ’cause it’s kinda like tuning a radio station if there’s, there’s too much separation, you can’t really get through the noise. Right? But if you are. Used to holding a higher frequency than what you have access to, just keeps getting higher and higher and higher doesn’t always mean better, it just means an expanded perspective closer to the one right closer to source, where everything is unified. And if we’re moving out of duality as a collective, it makes sense that we’re gonna get more and more teachings of what a unified experience is and start to shift into higher frequency bands because of that.

Guy:
Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Love it. And one other thing I wanna highlight that you mentioned, I flip flop it back and forth, but you mentioned about the reverence and sacredness. And actually turn turning up like that. And it’s so critical. I had a very valid, valuable lesson back in 2000 and Jesus, uh, 13 when I did a ayahuasca journey. But I actually, it was the, I was terrified. Terrified. I hadn’t done anything like this before. This was kind of what sparked my spiritual journey, really in some ways. But I, I treated it with 100% respect. The, the, the buildup preparing for about two months before, and I could feel all the shifts were happening even before the actual ceremony. It was wild. I was falling apart. And by the time I got there, it was like the, it was like the plant new, it was like

Katie:
Oh, she knows.

Guy:
it was, it was, it was unbelievable. Like there was a complete connection and a and and, um, yeah, it was amazing. And I came out of that just going, holy moly. Like it really, that was one of the big lessons for me in that, you know? Yeah.

Katie:
Yeah. I think the more time and sacredness we bring to any practice that we have. The more valuable the practice becomes. And, and, and it doesn’t have to be perfect, you know, like, everybody’s like, well, what does that process look like? Or How do I do it? How do I make an offering? It’s what’s in here, right? It’s what’s in the heart space and, and what you’re bringing forward and, and your why and trying your best to be as humble as possible, right? We’re all working through our ego stuff all the time. We all have expectation stuff coming up. You know, mother Earth and, and her plant kingdom will humble you real quickly. She has a powerful energy and there is so much unconditional love available if she can just be seen.

Right? And, and that’s what I think. That’s why I focus less and less on what guides I’m channeling now these days. And my first go-to is always how can I be more connected to her? And serving her because if I’m not grounded and in my body and serving the earth, then being out of my body and connecting to whatever star being that I love to connect with, and it’s wonderful, doesn’t really matter because it’s not gonna change what’s physically happening here on the planet. And the more embodied we can get in our spiritual practice. And I think reverence and sacredness is a part of that. The, the better our life becomes and the easier our transformation becomes. ’cause she wants to do this with us, right? She wants to co-create this with us. ’cause she doesn’t really want to have to kick us off the planet.

Right? She really wants to be in co-creation with us. But you know. She will definitely kick us off the planet if we don’t listen. So there’s definitely, you know, like she’s got that strong mama energy, she’s not messing around.

Guy:
Yeah, I know. I remember having, um, I, Abraham Kareem once, he’s an Egyptian I fellow, amazing guy and he said, yeah, mother Earth would be like a, a dog scratching fleas off if she really wanted to. And I was like,

Katie:
Yeah,

Guy:
a good

Katie:
yeah, yeah. That’s quite a privilege to be in co-creation with her, and I feel. Honored that she even is willing to talk to me and let me help to help people connect to her. It feels like an important mission and a really big honor, and I spent a lot of years feeling really not worthy of that and still to this day, I’m working on trying to, continue to be worthy of all the things that she asked me to do.

Guy:
yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Well, mate, an hour has flown. It’s unbelievable. I was, that was an amazing podcast. I, um, where can people connect with you, Katie? Where can we send them? yeah.

Katie:
yeah. they can find me. on all the platforms, uh, under Zen within Academy, and my website is in within academy.com, and you can find out about all the things that we’re doing there. My husband and I read, run our retreats together, our travel retreats together with local guides, and then we have workshops and stuff that we do throughout the year. And we’re in Charlotte, North Carolina. If you’re around and you wanna come to anything in person near us, we’re doing workshops all the time here too.

Guy:
Amazing. May, if I get to America, may, I’ll look you up.

Katie:
Yeah. Come visit. I, I gotta get to Australia too. It’s one of my favorite places in the world, so.

Guy:
It’s a good spot. It’s a good spot. Um, is there anything you wanna add before we leave for everyone?

Katie:
You know, I guess if, if I could give people any guidance for the year, it’s just, please take really good care of yourselves. I mean, it’s gonna be hard, but also amazing. You know, one of the themes for the whole year that the guides brought in. In January was, we’re gonna have really, really high highs and really, really low lows. And so being able To navigate that and take advantage of the slow moments, take advantage of the peaceful moments, and use those as fuel for the next thing that comes and, and you are more than capable of receiving everything that you need to be able to move forward. You’re a powerful being.

Guy:
make sure I get the surfboard out. Ride those waves.

Katie:
Yeah, exactly.

Guy:
Wow. Thanks Katie. Thank you so much. My lovely. That was awesome.

Katie:
Thank you.