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Mark:
I just shot it outta bed and I went, oh my God, I’ve got it. It’s all to do with light and with that thought, my whole body flooded with light completely inexplicably and unexpectedly as well. Everything has this, this spiral kind of dimension to it, which is serpentine in nature. Whether that’s the spiraling of the galaxies, this the spiraling of a hurricane, it’s everywhere. I just see ser. And dragons as synonymous with the fabric of reality itself, which the Druids of Whales and ancient Britain understood very well.

Guy:
I am standing here in Lake Topo and we’re about to embark on our five day retreat here with Live In Flow. It’s just beautiful here. And when you step into a space like this, you can’t help but start to reconnect yourself and remember who you truly are. If there’s one thing I see when people come together, it’s really craving that connection, not only to themselves, to others, to nature, to spirit, and this conversation with Mark TJ Keane today actually.

Is about that, and he calls himself a professional wizard, which is easy to dismiss at first. But this conversation goes deep. We get into ancient, uh, wisdom and mysticism, the awakening of our energy potential and what it really means to remember who we are and what we do. With that, uh, this conversation goes deep in joy.

Guy:
Mark, welcome to the podcast,

Mark:
thank you so much, guy. I’m amazed, uh, that you welcomed me here. Thank you.

Guy:
mate. Of course, when you reached out, um, like things get lost in emails and stuff, like, like, you know, my, my life’s busy. I should get a, a pa. I did have one, but, uh, uh, not, Yeah. we got staff and team, but with the podcasting, I, I still keep it very personal with what we do in our, in our events and retreats and stuff anyway. Um, but I’ve only ever had one Welsh person on before.

Mark:
Wow. I’m

Guy:
That’s what I mean. And I was like, I, I don’t care what this man does, let’s get him on, you know? But, uh, Yeah. no, it was, it was fantastic, mate. And you were saying you’re from Newport now, so I was like, oh, I gotta get a fellow Welshman on. This is, this is a rare opportunity, but with, with all that in mind, let’s, let’s kick off the show like I always do, and that is like, you can even say you’re at an Aussie barbecue, right?

Like, if you’re at your Aussie barbecue and you were with a bunch of strangers and somebody come up to you and said, oh, hey, how are you? What do you do for a living? How would, how would you respond?

Mark:
Well, I tend to just hit them with, I’m a full-time professional wizard and see what they come back with. Um, because someone’s gotta do it. Someone’s gotta bring back the, the wizards, you know? And that, that’s, that’s me. I, I think, you know, especially coming from Wales, the, the land of Merlin, uh, and Tsin, uh, you know, it, it is a land of, uh, of wizards and, and that the wizard has been relegated to fantasy. But I, the wizard was our yogi or the Western yogi, the alchemists, um, the shaman. And, uh, you know, it means, you know, someone of wisdom. So it’s, it’s, you know, it’s never meant to be just a fantastical figure as someone who deals with the other dimensions of reality. So that’s, that’s that, that’s my focus.

Sometimes I might elaborate, say I’m a dragon wizard because the dragon is, uh, the ascended kundalini, if you like. So it’s my, my journey as with a, I used to call myself a Kundalini yogi, but now it’s like I’ve reclaimed that westernized it, so I might call myself a shamanic dragon wizard or something like

Guy:
well, because the, the dragons obviously on the. The Welsh flag. Right. For as well. And, and I have no doubt there’s a lot of history and heritage as to why that is and the slaying of the dragon and, you know, and, and all these different things that come on. But are you, are you saying, so, correct me if I’m wrong, ’cause like in the, in the yogi tradition with, with the energy of Kundalini, they have the, obviously the representation of the coil serpent and then that

Mark:
Yeah,

Guy:
But what are you saying from our heritage? The dragon is representing that kundalini energy, that rising

Mark:
I feel that, I feel that very strongly that the, the dragon is a universal symbol. And I think the reason is because it represents the, the Kundalini and, and, and I believe, and I’ve experienced that dragons are actually, they’re very real. They’re just not present on this dimension of reality right now. So, you know, but we can still experience them. But no, I see the, the, uh, I mean my website is actually sleeping serpent, and you mentioned the coiled serpent. And that’s, that’s why, ’cause that’s what that actually represents. But when the serpent gets its wings, it becomes the dragon. The wing serpent is, is the dragon. So I believe that is a symbol. In Wales because of, it’s a memory of the ancient dru juridic wisdom.

Who would’ve worked with this, this dragon energy, like the, the dragons are in the land, uh, they’re in our spine. You know, it’s what breathes life into existence. Everything has this, this spiral kind of dimension to it, which is serpentine in nature. You know, whether that’s, um, the spiraling of the galaxies, this, the spiraling of a hurricane. It, it’s everywhere. So it’s, I just see serpents and dragons as synonymous with the fabric of reality itself, which the Druids of Wales and Ancient Britain understood very well until they were compromised by the Romans.

Guy:
Love it, mate. I love it. I, I gonna have a.

Mark:
That’s my, that’s my, that’s my belief and I’m

Guy:
no, it’s fantastic, mate. And, and bringing all this heritage in and the, the druids and the, the, the things that you speak of is, it, it feels lost, you know? Right. And, but what I’m interested to have a discussion with you as well is getting how do you get to this point in this with your belief system? Because obviously I think you’re gonna be like the fourth hundred episode or a bit more on the podcast on my own journey. that’s amazing.

And it is just been something I’ve chipped away, paid it forward, and having conversations with people like yourself and just staying curious because of my own awakening journey that continues to awaken and we’re so conditioned to be experiencing life through a stress response and through the five senses only, we, we just. It’s like we’ve forgotten we, we don’t know how to open up bandwidth to experience our true identity ourselves. Like growing up in Newport in Wales must have been an experience, I’m guessing we’re similar ages as well.

Mark:
I’m 52.

Guy:
I’m 51. There you go. Right. So, so you, you would’ve grown up in the nineties when the rave scene was kicking in and all that kind of

Mark:
Yeah. Yeah. I was, uh, I was part of that. Yeah.

Guy:
So how did you end up on your awakening journey? Like what was, what was your story?

Mark:
So it all happened in 2003. I was actually living in London at the time. And it’s funny that you mentioned the rave scene because I was living to club. That’s what, that’s one of the reasons I was in London. I was going to all these supercar clubs, like the gallery and turn mills, and I was into the, the hard dance and the hard trance and all of this sort of stuff and, and you know, living for the weekend. Uh, and then, but I was getting increasingly into. The great pyramid of Egypt, like reading Graham Hancock, fingerprints of the gods, ancient civilizations, all of these sort of things. I became very obsessed with ancient civilizations and yeah. And then in the end, I’d actually gone back to Wales, actually fun enough that weekend.

And someone on the bus back to London asked me about a book I was reading, which is about the holy blood and the holy grail. And, and I know I didn’t really see any of this as spiritual. It’s just like really interesting sort of thing. And it got my mind really working, uh, a lot because it started, I started to talk about Egypt and all this stuff. And when I got home, I just had this fire inside of me and I was just like, I need to know why they built that bloody pyramid and I need to know now. And for some reason I just, I just knew that I could access that information. And I was, I remember brushing my teeth with all these thoughts, rushing around my head about everything that I, you know, read about it.

And in the end, I just thought, oh, well, I’ve, it’s getting late. My girlfriend at the time was asleep in bed. Um, I, I better go to bed. So I went to bed. But because my mind was so active with this intensity of thought that I left the lights on, and this is, this is, um, significant that I left the light on and I’m lying in bed and I’m staring at the light and it’s this like round Chinese, uh, paper lanin staring at the light. And then I think, okay, I’m relaxed. I think I can sleep. So I went to switch off the light, went back to bed. Two minutes later I just shot out of bed and I went, oh my God, I’ve got it. It’s all to do with light. And with that thought, my whole body flooded with light completely inexplicably, uh, and unexpectedly as well.

And I got this massive download about the pyramid. It was like, oh, of course, sorted with light. The light comes down, hits the apex of the pyramid, comes all the way down into the Giza plateau and vibrates this frequency across Egypt, balancing out upper and low, lower Egypt with this, uh, this frequency we call marked. And then I realized in addition to that, the Pharaoh or whoever right, would go in lie in the ascension chamber inside the king’s chamber, and he would go out of body and be able to travel to the spirit world. And, and somehow this is connected to being able to go to Sirius and going to Orion. And this was a download, like it was completely like what at the time, like I hadn’t read any of this.

It was just a knowing, but it was coupled with this explosion of light. Like in like I I, I talked about it at the time as being my car, my, uh, light body. ’cause I’d read so much about Egypt, like I knew about.

Guy:
in KA KA

Mark:
yeah, K A the KA, light body. Um, and that feeling, yeah, lasted for two weeks. Like, I didn’t sleep. I was, I was just bathing in this light all night. And yeah, it, it just changed my life. And, um, yeah, the next day I got guided to Alchemy. I got guided to Kabbalah and I got guided to Kundalini yoga because in this book, um, that I got guided to, and I, I literally got guide. I, I, I kid you not, this book of the Tower of Alchemy was shining out of the bookcase in the book shop, like, like in a movie. I could see a light connecting me to this book. And I opened it up and it shone out this, this line that said, Kundalini yoga is the Eastern equivalent to alchemy in the West. And I knew in that moment that in order to really understand what was happening to me and understand the pyramid, I need to understand alchemy.

But in order to understand that I needed to go and practice Kundalini yoga, so that’s what I did. I went along the next Saturday chalk farm. This beautiful African lady called Amber, um, taught this Kundalini yoga class. And everything that I was feeling already, like I was already lit up, just got amplified by about 10 times I was off the planet in ecstasy. It was incredible. And so I never, I never stopped practicing Kundalini yoga and I’m still practicing my version of it now. So that’s, that’s how it all happened.

Guy:
shit. Did, did when you, because the, you know, that sounds like a, just a blissful adventure, you know? It’s like, oh, I laid down one night. I was, I was pondering on this and then it, my, all this energy, this light body just started coming on and, you know, your perception of reality, the bandwidth was widening. You’re starting to

Mark:
Yeah.

Guy:
see and feel from a different vantage point. Because what, what I’ve found, and I’m still going through it now, is like there’s, there’s energies that have been passed down through generation and generation and, you know. Uh, different, like scarcity, different things that I, who knows what’s happened, right? But then I feel it coming outta my body and it’s like, oh my God, this is, and, and then having to sit with it for a day or two and let it release and move and let it per percolate through. But it sounded like at the time you were just like, in this bliss bubble. Did you think you were going mad or anything? Or was it like, oh

Mark:
No. Uh, I was loving it. I, I just felt amazing. I mean. I still remember now that some, I came out of the, the yoga class and everything was just amazing. Like, I remember seeing there was a Yo A yoga magazine and I just thought it was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen in the world. I’d never seen a yoga magazine before. I didn’t even know there was such a thing. And I was like, oh my God. A whole magazine just about yoga. And then I walked out the class and somebody went to give me like a free paper. I can’t remember what it was, what some like the Metro or something in London. And I was like, oh, oh my God. For me, you know, I, I just felt so much love that he was giving me this paper for free.

Like all the effort that being put into creating this paper and he’s giving it to me for free. I almost almost wanted to hug him. I was just so, no, I had no concept of, of holding back at that point. I mean, that came later like, but ’cause you know, the work really started when that phase of bliss started to fade away. And I started to get really curious about what was happening and starting to. Integrate it. Right. And and that’s when the lifelong journey that of yeah. As you say, really doing the work and really integrating everything that comes up to allow the energy to flow freely. That’s taken me 20 years to get to this point now. Like I, I wish I could have stayed in that state, but after, yeah, two weeks was pretty long though. I mean, I

Guy:
That’s incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I had it for

Mark:
but it’s not meant to last. Yeah. That’s really a long time

Guy:
Holy shit. So, so you were, so you went to the Kundalini in, um, chalk. Where did you say it was? Chalk Farm. Was it Chalk

Mark:
I have a chalk farm in, in London. Uh, the place is called Try Yoga.

Guy:
And then, and then, but you were also, there were other, did you mention the Kabbalah as well? Was that something else you mentioned

Mark:
Yeah. It was, it, it was all the, everything at once. I, I started to get really deep into, and that has not stopped, but, um, so. Yeah, cabal, uh, it, it was this book called The Tower of Alchemy by David Godard, and it had Alchemy and Kabbalah as a main component of it. So immediately, um, you know, I would go back after the Kundalini yoga session, go home, and I’d be in toning all the, the se the serraf in, in, in my body, like in, in toning and embodying the cabalistic tree.

Um, yeah, they’re like these, they’re these like, they’re these like 10 spheres, like there’s a middle pillar and then there are like side pillars as well. And I, you, they actually map out the, the, the universe. They’re, they’re like different, uh, it’s a map to the universe, but it’s like as a both so below as within, so without, we are a microcosm of the universe. So what we find within us gives us the keys to understanding the universe as well. So that’s, that’s why when we learn to embody the Tree of Life. We,

Guy:
Ah, I got the image now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Mark:
Yeah. You would’ve seen, you would’ve seen the It is, yeah. The, the way it looks almost like, uh, something out of a chemistry, uh, set or something. But, um, yeah, it’s, it’s very profound. And, and it, what I like about that is, that’s very Western and it’s the cornerstone of the western magical revival, the, the, uh, this Kabbalah.

Guy:
So, so like. Take us and the listeners on the journey then, because I feel some of the, some of the concepts might feel outta reach for people if they’ve not experienced it before, if they’re just listening and curious and leaning into spirituality. And then I’m sure there’s people at the other end that are, um, you know, fully get it. But what were the clues that you were able to start piecing together for this to make sense? Because we, it sounded like you’re going through your life in the physical, you know, you, you live living for the weekend, you, know, you, you go into these, these dance parties and I’m assuming there’s alcohol and drugs involved.

I don’t know, but, you know, and then all of a sudden, quite possibly. And then, and then you’re having this, this moment. awakening you. So then, and then you, you, you’re leaning in, right? So how, how, what, what, what’s happening here and what pieces are you pieced together that are now making sense to you with all of this and why you’re so passionate about getting it out there?

Mark:
Yeah. At the time I had no idea what was happening. I mean, I just had the feeling of feeling very ecstatic, very blissful, and every time I would go back to the Kundalini yoga class, it would, it would like top me up again. So it, it, it would just keep that feeling going. Maybe not to the extent. Um, that it was at that two weeks, but it, it was enough to, to keep it going. I had no idea what was going on. Like, we were singing these mantras, doing these exercises and it made no sense to me logically at all. Like, I was like, but I couldn’t deny the feeling. I was just following the feeling. And, and that’s that be because Yeah. You can’t deny it that how, how good I felt. If you feeling that good.

Can’t be wrong, literally. Um, so, um, I, I would say, I dunno, probably took me about two years for the penny to drop. You know, I did about two years later I did the training. Um, uh, I actually did the Kundalini dance training weirdly enough before the Kundalini yoga training. ’cause I went to Australia to do the Kundalini dance training. And I think that was a really good bridge for me because I was a dancer. You know, I was. As I say, living for the weekend, I said, somebody’s gotta have worked out how to activate this Kundalini and get it flowing through dance. And, and that’s when I discovered Kundalini dance in Australia with Loyola and Tara.

And so, um, that was really based on the seven chakras, and I think that that really stuck with me as being something very, uh, simple like the seven chakras. There’s something about the number seven, which I just got really obsessed with. If it, if it’s the number seven, I’m like, I’m down with that. I can, I can handle that. So there’s, there was something about that dancing from the base to the sacral, to the solar, to the heart, to the throat, to the third eye to the crown over and over and over and over again. That really started to make me understand and integrate the journey that the Kundalini energy takes from, from earth to heaven. And then, and then back again. Well, you know, so it, it’s a much clearer, uh, model I think, than the Kabbalah, because then, um, yeah. So it’s a good place to, to really start, I think with, with that seven.

Guy:
then start to awa, awake, awaken. And so the journey begins or continues. With, um, your experiences when that Kundalini started to awaken and you were on this journey, were you starting to have astral experiences or traveling? ’cause you even mentioned about how you realized the pyramids were used to, to travel to the stars, which I’ve, I’ve, heard other people talk about that who’ve had direct experiences of doing that, of laying in the king’s chamber and that, and actually off they go, um.

Mark:
Yeah, I mean, I, I ended up creating a whole system on this called Ancient Egyptian serpent, uh, shamanism. Um, because it just felt, as you say, like it felt like this is something that they, they were definitely doing, and, um. Yeah, it is. Um, yeah, I, I’m, I’m, I’m absolutely sure that that is what was going on. I mean, because just by doing all this kundalini work, a lot of it was I would, on a Monday evening, I would teach Kundalini yoga, and then I would in Bristol, and then I would teach Kundalini dance afterwards. And it’s almost like the Kundalini yoga did this sort of prep preparation, like you do all this very, uh, systematic, uh, thing with your body, but the dance was, when I started to do the dance, it was much more free and much more cosmic actually.

And, um, we would really, in a similar way to the Cabalistic exercises, which I was familiar with, you’d be bringing down this light, uh, from source down into your body. And that’s, that’s where the Kundalini dance is always coming to. And so I would be. As a, as a facilitator of this holding space for other people, I began a full download because I’m really wanting other people to feel this, so I have to be a conduit for this energy. And then when I would go home, I would lie in bed and almost immediately I would pop straight out of my body, like ev ev every time. Um, and I wasn’t even, it was so seamless. I, I act, actually a lot of the time I didn’t even know it had happened, like, because it, I would just see the, the room again. But the only difference is now I’m like, I’m like floating around the room and, um, you know, I must be out my body because, because I’m, uh, defying gravity now.

Um, so it, it, that’s when I started to get the, uh, yeah, the, the, the understanding that. Uh, the Kundalini is directly connected to going outta body because I wasn’t even really looking for that. But it just happened spontaneously and after a while it just started to happen every night. And sometimes it would just happen. I would just go and sit in that chair behind me and my, my actual body was, was start to come out. It was like I couldn’t hold it in anymore like this. So that’s how, uh, spontaneous it became. Yeah. Like, um, it’s not, it’s integrated a lot more now. I think I’ve settled in and integrated a lot more and that’s enabled me to create, with hindsight a lot of these systems, whether that’s the Dragon Yoga based on the Celtic Chakras or the ancient ancient serpent sha Shamanism, which is, you know, they call that the arrays at the Shining Serpent in, in Egypt and Egypt.

They even had a different name for that. I don’t even know. That was ChemE. And you had this thing in Egypt, which the Farer would raise the jed, uh, this kind of pillar. This famous, uh, symbol in ancient Egypt. And then I realized that was symbolic of, um, the Kundalini, because they talk about when he would raise this jed it would prove that he, the Pharaoh would have the, the prowess to be Pharaoh, like the sexual energy, if you like. So it’s quite, uh, explicit actually that this, this kundalini was well understood in all ancient cultures, but certainly, yeah, in, in Wales or ancient Britain, I should say Wales is more like the memory of what ancient Britain used to be, uh, as, as a Celtic land. And then Egypt or Egypt is for me what the most profound culture probably that ever existed. But actually, you know, this is, get a bit of a tangent, but it does seem that there was cross pollination between ancient Britain and, and ancient Egypt a long time ago.

Guy:
It’s fascinating, like, ’cause what I found on my, my journey so far is any kind of mystical or out body experience I’ve had. It felt more intentional from my higher self or source as opposed to me seeking it and just trying to make things happen. It’s more being part of, um, an evolution of my journey that’s like, oh, this is happening right now and then I get shown something or have these really interesting experiences where it almost then won’t happen for six months or a year or even like, there’s been these but these pockets of time. But when it happens, it’s like, wow, okay. That was intentional and that’s fascinating. Um, and, you know, will have me thinking about those things. Has anything like that happened for you through that experience? Were you shown anything or taken anywhere or, or from, from those outof body experiences?

Mark:
Um, God, there’s so many things which have happened in my bed when I’m alone. When I’m alone. Uh, it, it, it, I mean, I call it the li the liminal. Yeah, the li like the liminal. The place between, in between like this world and, and the other world. And I mean, we’d be here all, all, all day if, um, uh, but I, the one that sticks in my mind is when I went to the holy aisle, which was what still is, um, off, off the coast of Scotland. And I was doing this lucid dreaming retreat with Charlie Morley. I dunno if you know Charlie at all. Um, but he is amazing lucid dream teacher. And, um, so he, he, what he would do is like, we’d get up some sleep, uh, first it’s called the wake back to bed method. Uh, in the, we were in these dorms, and then you would go down to what was called the dreaming temple.

Um, and he would guide you to sleep in a way that you would lucid dream. And there was this one time where he’d done that. Um, but I suddenly woke up on the retreat and I was in the, the dorm. And I, and I, and I looked around and everyone had gone. And I thought, oh my God, I can’t believe that they, they’ve all gone to the dreaming temple without me. I can’t believe they wouldn’t, they haven’t woken me up. And then I was like, hold on a minute. They would’ve woken me up. And then with that thought, I suddenly was like outside the, the dreaming temple, let’s call it, um, looking in. And I could see everybody lying down in the, in the temple. Uh, and I was like, oh my God, they’re all in there.

I can’t believe it. They’ve all started without me. And I was like, hold on a minute. I. Should be in there. I’m like, oh, there, I’m like that. And with that, that thought and that sight of seeing myself in the temple, I suddenly felt my physical body in the temple. And, and so I was like, oh, wow, I’m lucid. And, and then it was like, okay, what do I do? So I, I was like, because I thought it was a lucid dream still at the time. Um, Charlie says, if you haven’t got a, uh, a dream plan, just say to the dreaming mind, show me something important. So I, so I was like, right. I found myself in this like medieval square for some reason, and I just shouted out the top of my voice, show me something important.

Like, and with that, this huge giant serpent just flew into the square. And I was like, whoa. And I, and I just jumped on top of it. And then it just, we, we, that’s it. We just took off into the stars and we, and it was so fast that I got a bit unnerved because I looked back and I could see the earth behind me getting smaller and smaller and smaller. I was like, uh, is this safe? Like, I don’t know if this is safe. Um, and with that thought, I just could feel my physical body again in back in the dreamy Temple. I was like, oh, cool. You know, it’s like I can come back to my physical body whenever I want. And so, so yeah, I went off and went to this other planet and I don’t know, like met these people, was taken up to a spiral staircase to meet this person and who was like some sort of a chief at this place.

But actually, yeah, at that point I, I, I woke up. But that, that was one of the, yeah, one of the. The, so the mo the most profound kind of, I would say that was definitely an outer bo kind of an out more outer body than Lisa dream. And sometimes it gets a bit, uh, hard to tell. But, um, that, that had a big imp impression on me.

Guy:
bet. I bet. But when you’re experiencing that for the listeners, like how real did that feel when it’s happening? Like what’s it feel like?

Mark:
Yeah. I mean,

Guy:
How do you describe that?

Mark:
yeah. It felt, yeah, it felt very, it felt very, it felt very real. Um, I think that’s, that, that, that, that’s, that is the thing that a lot of these experiences, they, they do feel very real. Um, and, and sometimes they feel more real than, than this world. I, I mean, that’s happened to me enough times now that you realize that this, this is not the only world and, and in fact this, this, this is more of the, um, this is a place we come and have an experience. To, to grow. But, but the greater reality is real. This is not this, that’s not what this is. This is just a, a projection of a, of our consciousness. So, um, and it, I didn’t understand that for a long time. Like I, I was like, how can that feel more real? And sometimes thinking they can seem the more vivid, like they, they’re just y Yeah.

And, and for a long time I couldn’t understand that. I said, how can I be having visions of, like, I might just go to bed and I might just suddenly see a street scene in India and it would just be people walking around or something. But it would be like cl clearer than as if I was there. And I’d be like, but now I understand it’s because this is, this is not, this is not the real world. This is just, this is the illusion. So that I would, yeah. It, that was one of many, many experiences that have felt more real than, than, than than this does now.

Guy:
no, I get it. I get it. And, and it’s, Yeah, And you know, there’s been multiple times where, yeah, I can’t even put it into words, but what I found fascinating, like I remember I mentioned it once on a podcast a while back, but I was flying past these beautiful castles on the coastline with the waves crashing up against them. And I, ’cause I got taken through like a wormhole, like a tunnel, and then I popped out and I was able to glide along all these, but I could, it is like, I could hear the ocean smell and I was seeing these buildings I’d never seen before. It’s like I couldn’t make it up, you know, it’s not like I read it in a book and then I was dreaming it or something like that. It was, it was a whole new experience. So.

Mark:
Yeah. And I, I really wanted to touch on that because when I, I, I heard you talk about that before, uh, when you were talking to Darius and, um. Yeah, what I realized was that those castles in the, in the astral or wherever they are, they, they represent the, the, the chakras. And so, um, I discovered this poem called The Prayer by Tsen, who often gets conflated with Merlin. Um, and he, in the fifth century, he wrote down this poem in, in Welsh chay in com, in Comedi. And uh, it talks about King Arthur pen dragon, right head of the dragon going into the other world, the other world of, and going to these seven distinct places, these other worldly spinning castles. And I thought to myself, that is the chakras.

That’s, that’s, that’s the chakras. They’re spinning. Um, and for a long time, I. I couldn’t understand because you would think that would, they would go from the base to the crown or from the crown to the base. But they, but they, but they don’t. But then I came across this, uh, woman called Ellen Sentia. She wrote, wrote this tiny little book called The Celtic Chakras, and she said, it’s a spiral. You start here with the third eye and then you go to the base, then you go to the crown, then you go to the sacral. Um, and then you go to the throat, soda plexus and the heart. So then I took a another look at the poem and it goes, um, uh, Kay c Edley fan Kaya t Kaya Kaya Gulu Kaya van Akre. And that’s where you find the cauldron of the goddess of Wan.

And that later gets retold as the quest for the Holy Grail by King Arthur. And I thought, holy moly, for holy grail is the heart chakra. Like it’s a spiral. The third eye, that’s where you open up your shamanic site, the d juridic site to see where you’re going and you spiral your way into the center. It’s not about trying to go up or down, it’s the center. And that makes complete sense. And, and I thought this was such a profound thing and, and the fact that there was castles and it ties in with, you know, the, this experience I had with riding the Dragon, I was like, this is what was going on. That’s, you know, Winterton Aris is riding the dragon in Game of Thrones and it’s the, the seven kingdoms.

And you know, it’s like, this is memory, this is, this is it. This is what it’s all about. So I feel very passionate about, about this because I feel I’m touching upon a memory, and this was our version of the chakras, because the chakras don’t belong to India. The chakra, either they’re real or they’re not. But it’s, it’s maybe it’s curious that. Y you know, that, that they, it some, somehow it ties in with, with this, uh, astral dimension as well. It’s just like they’re real places as well as being something we embody and

Guy:
Yeah, no, you make an interesting point as well about the chakras. Do they belong to India or not? And I, I, I agree. It’s like we either got ’em or we don’t like these, these things they hear or they not like, you know? And if you look at all the different teachings, they have different interpretations or different nuances. But ultimately, is it all, it’s all leading back to the same place I feel.

Mark:
yeah. Exactly. Universal truth. Yeah.

Guy:
Well, you mentioned as well whales has got the most castles in the world in per 800 ca. Yeah, I know. It’s got a lot.

Mark:
and it’s a very small place. Yeah. So it’s the highest concentration of castles in the world because it’s a small nation and it’s got 800

Guy:
well, I know it’s got more pubs than castles though. I’ll say that much as well.

Mark:
And more sheep.

Guy:
more sheep. Yeah. But so your belief then is like in Wales as well, so those castles are represent, are representing the chakras and the Druids knew this. Is that what you’re saying? Or am I.

Mark:
The Yeah, I mean the, I I think it, it’s, it’s an interesting one, isn’t it? This thing about castles go, goes, goes, go, goes deep. I, I, yeah. It, it, it’s like, what I’m saying is that castles were, I mean, they’ve always been fortified. They’ve always been enclosed. Um, but they, but they were used to be something more sacred, like the, you know, more, well more like temples, I would say. And then the castles that got built later on, um, during the, the Norman Conquest and, and, and so on. Um, you know, that’s, that’s more about defense, but it, it is kind of. I, I don’t know what the word is, some, some sort of weird synchronicity or providence that whales as the last bastion of, of the, of the Druids in Britain, you know, was in like the a lamona, which we call Stein now, you know, that it also becomes this place where castles get put.

You know, like in, in Caron, you know, you, you, you know, if you wanna, if you, if you wanna have the keys to, to the ancient lands, you need to have a massive castle there in Caron. And that’s why the Prince of Wales, who’s now the king, uh, got crowned there because that’s the ancient kings of Gwyneth. And because that’s the, that was the last stronghold of, of the jus uh, that whole region all the way up into the Isle of Mona, you know, where that, that last standoff was with the, with the Romans, you know? And so I think it’s a, it’s a curious thing that we have all of these castles and we have the dragon on the flag as breadcrumbs. By the universe to say, wake up, remember? And we all go out as Welsh people, you know, flying the flag, dressing up as a a, a as a dragon and um, and, and this sort of thing. And there’s castles everywhere, all around, like near the stadium.

Um, but nobody making the connections. But I think, you know, it, it, it is, it’s almost, hi. It is too obvious. It’s hi hidden in plain sight.

Guy:
It is hidden in plain sight, but we’ve forgotten who we are as well, haven’t we? We are, we’re so desensitized to ourselves these days through Western life. It’s like everything just becomes an image or a symbol, and the the meaning is lost behind it for so many.

Mark:
yeah, but I think that’s intentional as well because if you look at it from a greater perspective, um, I dunno if you know about the, the cosmic cycles of the yogurts.

Guy:
Um, I don’t know them that well, but I’ve heard them come up in conversations.

Mark:
I mean they, they would’ve been called the, like the eons here, right? Or something, uh, of that nature. But certainly eons is a western term. Um, and we still use that term, but we wouldn’t think of it as a specific cosmic cycle. But, uh, essentially over, like, I don’t wanna get too deep into this, but I don’t wanna lose your listeners, but you, you have this, you have this thing called the procession of the Equinox, is it? Graham Hancock talks about a lot like the Earth’s wobble, and that’s one of the ways that determines the cosmic a cosmic cycle. But it’s like within these cycles you have the Iron Age of the car, yuga, and that’s the one that we’re emerging out of. And it’s quite debatable about whether we are still still in it or whether we’re out or we’re trans transitioning.

But I think basically we’re transitioning out of the, the dark time and during this dark time. That’s when we go deep into materialism, we start believing, uh, that God exists or any of this stuff that we talk about is real. And, and, but if you think about that from a spiritual perspective, like that is quite a thing to experience as an immortal soul to come down to this planet and experience this great forgetting. It’s, it is something that we can’t do unless we come down here. Like, you couldn’t make this up. Like people can’t remember who they are. They like, so it’s, I think that there’s something about that experience of a profound forgetting, especially during this time of materialism and reductionism and, and, and, and, and science and as you say, like just this empty, vacuous culture, which is pervaded modern society.

There’s something about that actually when you actually wake up, it, it, you get more out of it. Because you’ve got more to contrast it against and go, oh, okay. You know, because it is like, it is like, Eckhart always says, you’re like a fish wouldn’t know what water was. So it’s almost like it’s only when you take it out of the water and put it back in again, then it goes, oh, that’s what water is. So I think it’s something about that, and obviously when we finally get to the end of this journey, even if none of us have had a spiritual experience in, in our lives at the end of this journey, then we get it. Then when we go back to the other side,

Guy:
Do you think it’s our purpose to awaken while we’re here?

Mark:
it’s certainly my purpose. I mean,

Guy:
Yeah.

Mark:
yeah, I do, I do. With all honesty, I think the ultimate purpose of anyone is, is, is that it’s, it’s the highest purpose. It’s the purpose of all purposes. I believe we all choose to come here. I believe we all have a destiny. Um, but we, we, it wouldn’t be any fun if we. Remembered. So it’s like there were breadcrumbs. It’s like, uh, that somehow keep us on track and when, when we follow our intuition, you know, I do believe that all of those, uh, destinies do, do eventually potentially end up with that full realization. Um, that is, is the highest goal anyway. For sure. And, and I think collectively, you know, we are, we’re on that journey as well.

And I do believe there’s something very special about this time as well because of this transition. Um, and one of the signs of moving from the ka yoga to the yoga, yoga, it’s hard to say, is that telepathy starts to come online again. And I dunno if you’ve seen or heard the telepathy tapes.

Guy:
I haven’t heard them. I’ve heard the, one of the, the ladies, I think the documentary maker or whatever it might have been talking. I’ve been trying to get on the podcast actually. One of them

Mark:
Oh, you should totally get her on the show. That’d be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Kai Dickens. Yeah, she, she, I mean, I, I don’t know if anyone had any doubt that telepathy was real. Listen to that podcast, and it’s just so clear. And these children with apraxia, it seems, the, these non-verbal children, it seems like they’re all telepathic. But then when you start to listen to the telepathy tapes, uh, into the sort of next season as we are now, you realize that, you know, we, we’ve all got these gifts, we’ve just forgotten. So I think the fact that that’s just come online now is a sign that we are moving back towards the higher frequency where we, we remember things like telepathy and we start to leave the, the denser times behind.

And so I think, yeah, I think it’s quite unusual generally for human beings to come down on earth and to have this. You know, this experience that we’re having where everyone has just forgotten everything, but that’s, that’s the car yoga. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. Fascinating. And when you look back on your last 20 years of this awakening journey, as you say,

Mark:
Yeah.

Guy:
what do you, what do you see? Um, like the, there’s, I’m trying to frame the question right, because there’s a couple of things that are coming to me. One is, is that people dive into this when they’re normally in so much pain. They just wanna get away from their pain. So, so it’s like, I’m gonna escape this and grab this over here so I don’t have to deal with this behind me anymore. And then, because I’m hearing people having these amazing experiences of awakening even where they consciously, or unconsciously the behaviors are matching that kind of belief system, I feel, from what I’ve witnessed a lot, you know, it’s like running away from the things as opposed to getting a sense of presence of being and allowing ourselves to blossom in our, in our own natural way.

Mark:
You, you, you, you mean people in people in general? running from their

Guy:
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Mark:
Oh, absolutely.

Guy:
know, like, so, so like what have you learned over these last 20 years with that kind of, that sense? And what are the gifts that it’s given you? ’cause you’re so passionate about what you do today, you know?

Mark:
Yeah. I’m so passionate about the Kundalini and I’m so glad that you’ve activated yours. Um, and, um, there, there’s so much fear around it, um, and suspicion. Um, and it, which you would expect because it’s the life force, and so the ego fears life and it, and it fears change. And the Kundalini. Is the, is what brings the change. It, it cleanses everything in its path. It’s this, in alchemy, we call it the secret fire, right? It’s in, in the Lord of the Rings, like the Gandalf, uh, has a standoff with the bow rock and, and says, you shall not pass. But he actually says, I am a servant of the secret fire. So it’s like, it’s even the, the key was in there.

And Lord, the rings that this secret fire is the Kundalini Shakti, and it’s just like, it is our destiny to awaken this energy. And when it awakens, it will just wanna burn through everything in its path. The, the problem with that is that if you’ve got a lot of things lurking in the depths in your unconscious, which the body holds, holds, right? The body and the unconscious mind are essentially the same thing, um, then you’re gonna have to face all of these things one way or the other. And most people, yeah, they. I would say our whole culture is profoundly orientated away, uh, uh, uh, from moving away, from facing that uncomfortable truth, whatever that is.

So it’s like, you know, we all get traumatized to varying degrees, you know, like in terms of there are things that have happened to us that we would preferred not to have happened, and we often don’t have the tools to process that as a young child, so we don’t integrate it. That this accumulates over time and becomes such an uncomfortable pain that it drives us to fe uh, to find distractions. Whether that’s alcohol, whether that’s going to the, going to the movies ev every night. Uh, it could, it could be anything. It could be, it could be sex, but it does feel our whole culture is based around entertainment and distraction away from like, don’t look inside, but when you awaken the Kundalini, you.

I that doesn’t become a choice anymore, as you probably know. Like you have it, it just forces you to, to, to be okay with, with everything and then, and realize that everything happens for a reason and we’re not being punished. And it, it is, it is a hard thing to admit, but when, when you realize that everything is for our highest good and we choose it all, like we choose our parents, we choose where we’re born, we choose the parameters of our entire life, then it’s like we have to come to terms with, well, why exactly did I choose to have these difficult experiences? Why are there difficult things happening in the world? It’s all to give us a particular experience. There’s nothing wrong, there’s nothing bad. It’s just all a journey. And like I said before, like there’s something about the bad experiences, quote unquote, that give us an ability to really appreciate. The, the truth, which is completely transcendent of all of that. So yeah, hopefully that answers your

Guy:
Yeah, it was a, it was a strange, it wasn’t, it wasn’t a, a distinct, very clear question. I was trying to find my way through it as I was asking you, so you did great, mate. Um, that’s how my brain goes sometimes. But, um, are you finding more and more people are coming to experience your work? Like what have you noticed over the time that you’ve been teaching and holding space for other people?

Mark:
Yeah, I think, I think we are on track. Um, it, it does, it, it, it is hard to know because, um, I immediately started to attract. People who were into all of this stuff. I mean, in this area of the world, in Bristol and, and Glastonbury, there’s, there are just so many like-minded people. Uh, perhaps like I have a slightly skewed idea that like, uh, of, of, of reality because there’s so many, like quote unquote hippies and alternative people around here and spiritual seekers. And, but not only that, there’s so many people that have been on the journey so long that that, you know, there’s a lot of wisdom in the area as well. So, um, but I guess that’s not necessarily everywhere, like we alluded to already. Having said all that, I think the internet and podcasts like yours guy for sure, I’ve got, I think I’m really doing the world.

A great service in helping us to connect and realize that this is a global movement. There is an awakening happening that there are a lot of us, we, a lot of us are doing the work, and that is for sure rippling out into, into the collective because we are all connected. And it’s, and I, I do sense that if you don’t pay attention to the distractions, which are unprecedented, like at the moment, I think the, the ability to be distracted has never been greater. But then it’s like the ability to actually find the truth has never been greater. So it’s like, which one do you choose to put your attention onto? And it’s hard because the world, everyone’s saying, nah, this thing that’s happening, I can’t believe, you know, a certain US president’s doing whatever. And it’s like not, that is not real.

Ultimately it’s nothing to do with your life. Like wake up, like. What are you avoiding? Like what are you projecting onto, onto whoever it is like, and it’s, it’s, yeah. I think in each and every moment we have the choice where to put our attention in and that, and I think more and more of us are getting that now. I really, I really, I’m, I’m the eternal optimist. I’m always gonna believe that we are gonna make it, you know, that humanity is incredible and like that telepathy tapes and this podcast and the fact that we’re able to have this conversation as, as, as two Welsh people,

Guy:
It’s great,

Mark:
um, is, is a very good sign that we’re on track.

Guy:
No, I, I’m, I’m forever the optimist as well, mate. I really am. And,

Mark:
Yeah.

Guy:
you know, like I was just saying, uh, speaking to someone, like, we’ve just finished, we just finished our 31 first retreat a couple of weeks ago,

Mark:
Wow. That’s

Guy:
31 retreats, five day retreats. We’ve held, I’ve lost kind of a, a many introductory one day events we’ve done. And I get to see when, especially in those five day containers, you get to see people, the best version of humanity come together, complete strangers and actually light bulbs go on and really start to get it and integrate this work. And you think, oh my God, if we were taught this from the get go and started introducing back, you know, our spiritual heritage and the connection without the beliefs and the dog run the structures and the agendas that go behind so many things like it, the, the world would just transform overnight. It, he certainly it’d be a different place. Different place.

Mark:
yeah. But you know, I think that’s, I think that is happening. I mean, I, you know, I believe that.

Guy:
Yeah, yeah. Question I wanted to ask you as well was, um, along that there’s two, are we doing for time? Oh, we’ve got about 10 minutes. We’re all right mate. There’s one thing I wanted to touch in was the, the jungles of Panama Mate that you were

Mark:
Oh yeah, the jingles of Panama. Yeah.

Guy:
So were you There for a while?

Mark:
I was there during the pandemic. I mean, it was just the best place to be. I mean, it was just a crazy thing. Like I was, I still had a part-time job at the time I was working for the Environment Agency that if people don’t know in the uk it’s the largest organization that looks after the environment. But I, I’d had enough and I wanted to take a holiday and I wanted to become a full-time professional wizard. So I’d already decided that, uh, not, you know, not just part-time, but full-time, you know, uh, enough of this job nonsense for God’s sake, you know? So I thought, I’m gonna take a month, I’m gonna go, uh, Costa Rica.

I’m gonna do end vision, which I did, and then I’m gonna go to Panama. And do tribal gathering, which, which I did, which is this amazing festival, which I think is named after a, it was something in the rave scene. I remember in the UK it used to be called Tribal Gathering, but this is actual tribes gathering from all around the world, sharing their wisdom. And then it ends up being, being a big, big like side trance party on the beach. So it’s just like the, it’s like I have to go to this. Um, but that’s when the pandemic hit. So it’s just like, while I’m at this incredible life changing festival and I already decided, I was like, I’m, I can’t go back to my life.

But the weird thing is I forgot the, the main thing, I had this intuition when I booked that holiday. It was like, wouldn’t it be weird if I never have to go back, never have to go back to that job? And I, I was, it was only a month holiday and I went obviously to, uh, into that festival. And then we heard these rumors about. Uh, something happening outside. There was signs suddenly appearing, saying, wash your hands. And we’re like, that’s very patronizing. And then of course, when we left the festival, then it was just like you had the Ministry of Health there with their, um, temperature guns and their full on outfits with a mask and everything.

You had the militarized police with these huge guns like getting us all in line, and we had to all surrender our passports. And if we hadn’t been in the country long enough, we had to go back in the festival. And a lot of people became famous for being, going back into the festival and having to stay on the site for months. But I was lucky enough that I’d been in the country long enough, uh, to, to leave the site. So about 30 of us all found out this, about this place in the jungles of Panama called Kala. Um, and it was like an eco community, um, deep in the jungle that was there to teach people about permaculture and food forestry normally right.

Um, but they all kind of left because of the pandemic. They all like, kind of went back to America, mostly in Canada and places like this. And so you just had the skeleton staff and that 30 of us from this festival, you know, which is this, I, I, I mean, if the sort of person that goes to this festival is already really, really interesting, but the sort of person that says, the hell with this pandemic, let’s go and live in the jungle. Exceptional sort of a person, you know, myself included. No. Um, and yeah, it was just extraordinary because for I think five months we got to live as a tribe in the jungle. The idea of we were all from different countries, different ages, different backgrounds, but we were there and we were present and we were the tribe.

And I, I, I can’t even explain what happened. I mean. There were, yeah, we went up a big fire every night. I was doing my Kundalini yoga in the morning, be doing kundalini dances like in the evening. There were like fireflies at night and the sheet lightning and I mean, I was swimming in the river, I was climbing the mountain, I was making these, I started making courses from the jungle. Like I was, like, there was the terrible internet, like they built a tower. Jimmy who owns this place, had built a tower that connected to another tower somewhere else in the jungle that he had built that then connected to the, to the mainframe. And so it was only good enough to like record one video on my iPhone and like uploaded it.

But then at the end of every month I’d have a course. So that’s how I sort of became sort of full-time with the online course business. Um, and it was just the most life-changing thing. I ended up self-initiating myself into a vision quest. Uh, and I, I made a course on this as well, where. I went up the mountain for four days and no food, just water. And I just, I just, what we were talking about earlier, I had to really face my pain because even though we were having this extraordinary experience, it’s like that was the time I think we were all having to face ourselves. And I faced, I had to face myself in this really unique way on top of a mountain.

And at the end of it, I literally felt like I was con, temporarily enlightened. Like I came down from that mountain, a different person. I, I had taken full control out of my mind. I, I had obliterated negative programming. And I, and I, and I remember the place was called Honey Creeper. I turned to the. To the, to the, to the place in the jungle where I’d been for four days. And I said, thank you honey creeper. And I kid you not in that moment, heavens opened, like, and it just started raining like crazy. And it was like, it was the jungle answered and, and this, so it was just incredible thing. So I was more like sliding back down the mountain in like a river that, that started to flow all the way down part of the cleansing.

So, you know, I just, yeah, I just, it’s, it’s something that I, I, I wish everybody would explain to really live in the wild, uh, as a tribe in the jungle. You know, it, we had, there was no, no walls, no doors, just the jungle and like some roofs to keep the rain off our head. That was, that was it.

Guy:
And I’m guessing as well because of the pandemic going on. I mean the, the amount of stuff that was getting touted around what was happening in the planet and energetically, you’re probably just, you have to surrender. It’s like you could be here for years, you know, you could be there for days, weeks, months, years. You don’t know, right. I’m guessing when you’re in it.

Mark:
That was, that was, that was the interesting thing about it. Like I, I observed, um, ’cause I’m always someone who’s been quite suspicious of my phone. You know, I’m always like, I wanna keep that like, a little bit of a distance. Um, but I, I observed that everybody was like, with their phones and, you know, talk OO obviously for good reason, talking to their loved ones back in the country is probably saying, I don’t know what’s gonna happen. I don’t know. Um, when I’m coming home, you know, all the planes were canceled, the airport was closed, obviously, that’s why we were there. Um, um, although some people tried to get home, I never really tried that hard to get home. Um, uh, but I did observe that after about two weeks we actually did this. Um.

Ceremony. Like we, we actually all took acid. I, I, I shall confess. And after that first time of taking that ceremoniously and going into the jungle, that’s when we just dissolved into this tribe. I’ve never found anything like it. It’s like we were just one body. And when people did start to leave about five minutes later, it was like I was losing an arm when someone would like go back to Germany or whatever. It was the weirdest feeling like I was it. I, and I cut. Yeah. It’s very hard to explain. I never felt that before, ever since. Um, uh, but it was after that day that we became really present and we, we stopped paying attention to the news. I, I actually didn’t really know about a lot of it. Like I didn’t really know that people were wearing masks.

We put out this image, uh, on the internet of us all wearing like a leaf across our face. And we were told that that was to kind of mimic the masks that people were wearing. But I, I’d never seen that with my eyes. You know, we were having a completely different, different journey, but yeah, I know, I know about it all now.

Guy:
Of course. Yeah.

Mark:
But I’m, I just feel like I was, I had a different initiation. Like it was more of a, I’d done enough work in the past to get me to have a, this different upgrade. It definitely was an

Guy:
Incredible. And how did you find it settling back in, coming home after that?

Mark:
Very difficult actually. Yeah. I, I found it so difficult coming back to the uk, um, that I, I went back, I went back to, I went to Costa Rica, spent two months there, and then I went back to Panama and I literally held a 40 day retreat in the jungle to initiate people with what I had been through with, you know, with, with. Which was a whole, which was a whole thing which we had all been through. So it is like, I tried to replicate it to the best of my ability with my friend Roxy from Germany. Um, we just had a few people come out from Europe, from, uh, places in, in Europe, and, and a lot of, a lot of those people never went back. Like, they still out there now, like,

Guy:
Oh, what? Okay. Wow.

Mark:
yeah. So it really had an impact. So it was like, whoops.

Guy:
clearly, wow. Um,

Mark:
um, yeah. that, that, yeah, I, I, and then we went to Ecuador and did the same thing there. And I, so I spent a whole year basically in Central South America before I returned back to the uk. And I have to say, yeah, I, I do, I do miss the jungle, but I, I also feel that I’m meant to be here. Like this is, there’s something about. I, you know, I’m, I’m holding the energies for this ancient wisdom to, to bring that back and people need to remember. So we kind of, I do need to be here, you know, as well. So

Guy:
people remember. Yeah. So are you, you’re full time now doing what you’re doing?

Mark:
I am Yeah. Full-time. Yeah, full-time professional wizard. Someone has to be always say,

Guy:
yeah. No, I love it, mate. Love it. No, it’s a big deal. I mean, I’ve had to traverse letting go of different jobs and different things through my journey to be what I’m doing now. People, people don’t see that. They just see what you do. Right? Like they, they don’t know the, the steps you take to, to get into these positions and the courage it takes to, you know, to follow your heart and, you know, be a space holder for someone else and help other people along the way. It’s a big deal.

Mark:
it is, it, it is the hard path. It, you know, like I, I, I think I had to go through an awful lot of weird feelings around who like. Why, why can’t I, why do I feel compelled to be the, the weird one? You know? Like, why, why do I always have to, why do I always have to like, dress up as the, you know, as the wizard and, and, and, and, and do all this weird cosmic stuff, but it’s like I have to, like, I haven’t got a choice. I am compelled, this is my destiny. So it’s just like, but I have to deal with a lot of weird feelings of like, you know, clearing through like layers of like shame and stuff like that. Like you, you know, like the, the parents, you know, my dad just wanted me to be a lawyer or an accountant, you know, and I said, well, I’m gonna be a wizard. Hope that’s okay. You know, but they, yeah, no, they, they come round to it now, so it’s all good.

Guy:
that’s the main thing. That’s amazing. I love it, mate. It’s fantastic mate, mate. Um, where can people find out more about your work? Where can we send them? I’ll make sure the links are in the show notes.

Mark:
Yeah, definitely. Um, yeah, so my. Website Sleeping serpent, like as we talked about, that’s the coiled, uh, Kundalini. And it’s a potential form at the base of the spine. So that’s why. But then all my courses, uh, are hosted by Thinkific. So the URL is actually sleeping serpent.thinkific.com. But you don’t need to remember that ’cause you can get to it from the site. But that’s why I’ve created, um, my mystery score, which I called Mark’s Magical Mystery Score. And that’s where I have all of my courses on there, like literally everything we’ve been talking about, uh, almost 40 courses on there. But you can act, you can just buy one course or you can buy a bundle. The best thing to do is actually just get a membership and then you just pay monthly. You have access to absolutely, uh, everything. So yeah, that’s, um, that’s what I would recommend.

Guy:
mark Legend. Anything else you wanna add, mate, before we wrap up the podcast? We’ve covered a lot of ground.

Mark:
No, it’s been, it’s been an honor and a pleasure. Absolutely. Yeah. Delighted that you invited me to be here. It’s been been a, yeah. Amazing.

Guy:
Yeah. I love it. Mates. Wonderful to connect. Mark. Thank you so much, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Bye

Mark:
Thanks very much guy. Cheers.