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Gabi:
People that aren’t connected to themselves, they’re naturally inclined to choose the route of the modification manipulating with their field because they don’t feel their own nature. We’re gonna see people following the transhumanist agenda and the kind of enslavement of consciousness moving away from that natural code and adopting the artificial code that’s supposed to be more powerful than the natural order. The people that feel inclined to preserve their autonomy in the organic way, they’re gonna be able to harmonize with higher strands of DNA. Via receiving these plasmic energies, which will be stimulating that naturally. And it depends on how deeply you wanna feel and invest yourself in coherence from the inside out as opposed to from the outside in. But that’s a really deep choice, and I feel now’s the time to make it.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my podcast Today, my beautiful guest is Gabi Kovalenko, and this conversation goes deep. As always. She is a beautiful soul. I love the way she articulates things, the choice of words, and the way she expresses. It really was a joy to have her on the podcast. Today we get into the. Conversation about the evolution of consciousness. Of course we do, and the human biofield, but more importantly as well about our own organic intelligence and the choices that we are having to make as a species. I really feel right now between the development of oneself and then the development of technology and the systems, the dependency upon it.

This is a really interesting time in life when we dive deep into this conversation today. And pay attention because there’s a lot of nuggets in here that I think will resonate with it all. Well, it certainly did for me. Anyway, if you do enjoy the show, of course, please subscribe to the podcast. If you watch it on YouTube. Comments, engagement. They all continue to grow these conversations as I feel they are truly important. And of course, let me know where you are in the world. It’s always wonderful to know where people are, are listening in from. And last thing from me, I’m mastering the Animistic five day retreat in Bali.

That is coming at the end of June, 2026. There’ll be a link below if you want to come and join us. If you wanna join us, uh, with good food, heart-centered souls and really exploring what it really means to be human, then we’d love you to come and join us. It’s pretty amazing. Tickets are selling well and, uh, that will probably sell out as well. So if it resonates, come join us. Why wouldn’t you? Anyway, much love from me. Enjoy this conversation with Gabi and I’ll see you soon.

Guy:
Gabi, welcome to the podcast.

Gabi:
Thank you guy. I’m excited to be with you and have a deep dive conversation.

Guy:
Totally, totally. I appreciate you coming on. You know, it, uh, I’ve been slowly dropping into your work and really admiring what you’re doing. You know, I think as well, um, I was pondering on this this morning. You know, through our events, workshops and retreats we run here and, and in Europe are the main two places. We, we seem to be attracting the demographic of about 40, 50, 60 year olds that are coming through the door. And, and it’s like, I, I’m, I’m fascinated about why isn’t anyone younger coming through? Is it, is it us? What, what we’re putting out there? Or kind of thing. But then I stumbled across what you do and what you represent and the way you are and the information you’re putting forward.

And I, and I think it’s brilliant. So I really wanted to connect and just start to have a conversation around what, what else is happening out there in the world. ’cause I think I’m in a, in a small bubble in some ways, you know? But, um, anyway, that’s a long-winded answer to saying welcome,

Gabi:
Thank you so much. Yeah, it is strange that there’s not too many of the Gen Zers in this category not really focused on the unification of signs and spirituality, but I’m excited to be part of this new wave, and I think there are more and more of us that are coming to this realization that we have to unify. So it’s an exciting

Guy:
yeah, no, totally. And look, I’ll kick off the show like I always do, but if you were at a intimate dinner party or something and somebody asked you what you did for a living at the moment and they were a stranger and they didn’t know you, how, how would you respond?

Gabi:
Honestly, that’s not an easy question for me. A, because I am not usually in those situations where. I would say I’m in a group of strangers, like a dinner party where I need to really explain who I am from the get go. Usually I’m with people that share my, my kind of interests and, and it would be more like I’m researching something in consciousness or we’re having a conscious conversation about different areas that unify really our, our value system and our beliefs. So that’s what I find myself experiencing more. It’s, it’s kind of the resonance phenomena where souls come together for a specific reason. And then when I don’t feel the resonance, I usually don’t even tell people that I. I teach in this field. ’cause first of all, I don’t see myself as a teacher and I don’t feel I need to share it if somebody isn’t open.

And usually you could feel that subtlety too. If someone is interested, you drop them a little. Something like I, I would usually say I’m a content creator and if they wanna know more, it’s like we go down the rabbit hole of what kind of content and I, I drop them hints and if they’re open, that leads to a, a world of a conversation, usually about the universe and all kinds of different conscious values. But yeah, I’m always testing the surface based on the resonance I feel, and I feel that that guides the way.

Guy:
Have, have you always been. Um, for better word kind of plugged in, like honestly, you, you, you speak so well. It streams through you the what you emanate and how you are. Has this just been like your default? Were you born into it, like this way were your, your parents conscious people? Like how, how has it worked for you?

Gabi:
Yeah, I would definitely say I was blessed with conscious parents that allowed me to stay plugged in and stay tethered to my soul field because I think that’s really what matters the most is the less programming you have, the less kind of detachments from really what I call the, the morphogenetic field, the concept by Rupert Sherick that defines the overall resonance of the soul capsule where we come from. And, and staying connected to that, I feel is the primacy of our experience. So I stayed hooked up to that. Like you said, I have always been a really deep feeler, really deep sort of ponder of reality, very curious, asking loads of different questions, and surely I, I felt shut down along the way at times, like in school and all the different social challenges that come up as a result of that depth.

’cause I don’t really feel the system is designed to encourage such deep. Sort of revolutionary streams of thought, like when you keep asking the question of why and try to really get to the bottom of the root cause of certain things, or how certain dots connect beyond the mainstream scientists and perspectives, for instance, or reductionistic ways of looking at reality. I always dare to kind of go beyond the veil and play with these different concepts in an entangled way, like how energy relates to reality, how health is something we achieve as a vital concept of being connected to the field and being in integrity. And so I started really early on just pondering these things and feeling them, talking about them, writing about them.

And I, I trust more and more that essential connection to the source point and the zero point within the self, and that I feel can always be refined. But I’m lucky to say I didn’t have any experiences that took me so far away from that sacred touch point that I lost my essence. Or that I had to, to kind of fall into that deep state of disconnect where you learn the hard way often for so many years until you loop back to the origin point. I try to preserve that on top of all things really.

Guy:
How beautiful. No, it truly is. You know, and as a, as a father now of two young children, you know, I have such a different vantage point than I, than I would’ve 20 years ago say, you know, ’cause I was the latter, no idea this work, you know, completely disconnected in some ways, even though there was a part of me that was, I just didn’t know it at the time. And, you know, you, you kind of stumble, stumble your way through life for a while before, uh, uh, the universe tends to wake you up a little bit along the way, you know? With all that in mind, how do you sort of see it, like, how do you see the, the bigger picture for a moment in terms of consciousness, the field, you, you know, you spoke about the morphogenic field for a moment there.

You spoke about consciousness, you spoke about the relationship, you spoke about souls. Like if you were to look at a broader view, how do you kind of see us. In this connection from it, because we aren’t taught any of this really. Uh, I mean, a lot of the, obviously topics and religions are all interpreted through belief systems, I feel, and not actually through direct experience and, and purity. Things can get lost along the way. So I’m, I’m just keen to hear your perspective.

Gabi:
Yeah, and I feel that’s really also the split that humanities dealing with deeply between this kind of mainstream hierarchical reductionistic, really anti holistic mode of thinking, which is also tied to the institutionalized systems and religions and dogma, which is more masculine in nature. It’s obviously linear and also drives a perspective like we need a certain set of events, let’s say, to awaken where you need validation in order to tap into a certain inner truth, or you need to outsource that truth to a system or a thought stream, whatever the case may be, to experience that deeper knowing.

But all of that is part of a, I think really a, a humanity distortion, something that’s been seeded over millennia that’s trapping people apart from this innate consciousness, which would allow you to experience inner noses in a more feminine way of connecting to the universal truth, which is spiral in nature. It’s part of a continuum, and it also honors the duality of the experience that you can feel within yourself. And so that’s, that’s what we’re dealing with here. I, I see this entire universal continuum as a set of fields that are all entangled and they’re indivisible and there’s so many different kinds of fields.

And the quality of those fields, of course, is about the information that’s contained within them. So there’s electromagnetic fields, there’s scalar fields, plasma fields, and all kinds of parts of the field within the self that allow you to experience this integral biofield. the really, the quality of our life experience is about what we house inside the biofield, and also how we come to entangle with all the other fields outside of us. This is a really subtle zone, and I feel that’s why humanity is in such a slumber state, because it isn’t acknowledged as the real backbone of our existence that the nature of the field is what drives the individual experience. Because we don’t see it. We think that it’s not really existent and it’s not playing into every single part of our lives.

But indeed that’s the case. And so when people wake up to the concept of their own field, I feel that’s already a really powerful starting point because you start to look at yourself as a sort of quantum system of these entangled parts, including the mind, body, spirit, the heart and the brain field. You know, all the fields occurring within the self that also connect to the cosmic consciousness field. For instance, we’re dealing with a lot of solar flares these days, and CMEs coronal, mass ejections from the sun, and these plasmic rays, which are literally disorienting to the nervous system unless you learn to hold coherence. Meaning, when you start to occupy your field with this conscious awareness of what’s happening inside it, you can more easily metabolize this plasma information, which is coming from outside of us.

If that doesn’t happen, people experience burnout and they experience all kinds of signs of fatigue, feeling disoriented, feeling like something’s happening to them, which is not intrinsically connected to their own field. But these fields are always connected. The individual field, the planetary consciousness, these cosmic fields of information, which are, I feel, really designed to create unison and to teach us how to occupy oneness within ourselves. But it’s, it’s a long journey to getting there and to, I feel breaking through all the illusions that humanity has really gathered to keep people in this trap. That they are this separate lone entity and everything outside them is either forcing them into a certain state that they can’t control or just creating this illusion of separation.

Guy:
Hmm. That’s so beautifully put. Do you feel as well then, I mean, we’ve just moved into 2026. It’s, I still blows my mind at the moment. It’s 2026. Honestly. Do you feel that these planetary shifts that you speak of, uh, almost heightening, accelerating, that’s causing us to look at what’s. Incoherence with their own fields, let’s put it. And that that relationship is happening, but we’re so disconnected from the field. And like you say, it’s subtle. And if we haven’t developed an awareness to ourselves, our bodies, and to this field around us, we have no idea that this is actually churning up things that need to be addressed that we have never even stopped to feel and look at.

Gabi:
People that aren’t connected to themselves, they’re naturally inclined to choose the route of the modification manipulating with their field because they don’t feel their own nature. We’re gonna see people following the transhumanist agenda and the kind of enslavement of consciousness moving away from that natural code and adopting the artificial code that’s supposed to be more powerful than the natural order. The people that feel inclined to preserve their autonomy in the organic way, they’re gonna be able to harmonize with higher strands of DNA. Via receiving these plasmic energies, which will be stimulating that naturally. And it depends on how deeply you wanna feel and invest yourself in coherence from the inside out as opposed to from the outside in.

But that’s a really deep choice, and I feel now’s the time to make it. Yeah, I totally believe that that’s the deepest cause behind all of this to allow us to experience ourselves as these tuning forks. Because really we are that our mitochondria is that our DNA is that our fascia is that all these parts of our body that are sort of electrical instruments that allow us to experience shifts in frequency and vibration and to know when we are literally experiencing incoherence based on our state of being. And that involves so many different factors like our sleep, our nervous system charge, our emotional state, whether we experience unity or the disconnect. And a lot of people right now are plagued by this feeling that they can’t control the process because something is bombarding our fields. Because earth’s geomagnetic field is literally thinning.

Because of that, we’re receiving so much more of this bio photo information. So it’s like an excitation of the collective field, which causes an excitation of the human field. And for a lot of people that are not able to process that information, which is literally like charged radiation, penetrating our fields at an unprecedented rate, it feels like it’s just leading to burnout and it’s too much to process, and it leads to a feeling that we’re like bombarded by this light that’s coming in faster than we can physically hold that. But it’s also, it’s showing up in interesting ways for different people. Like you might’ve seen people say that some are moving into a state of where they wanna fast more. They wanna let go and they wanna experience themselves sort of breathing in this energy field to uncover a deeper relationship to themselves without even the constant influx of resources the way we’re conditioned to think that we need them.

Other people are experiencing really changing sleep rhythms. Sometimes they need a lot of sleep. Other times they can’t sleep at night because they feel like there’s so much information coming through that they’re feeling this. And it’s leading to these emotional, spiritual eureka moments, which is also a sign that you’re experiencing this influx of bio photo information that’s stimulating a release inside your body. And I also wanna bring it to an interesting point about just the, the mechanics of the field, how they move, and the different forces that create the polarity that a lot of people are feeling. So that plasmic information coming through, it’s literally a source of radiation. When that enters the system, a lot of people feel the charge, so they feel like it’s, they’re physically heating up.

They feel a lot coming in. It can put them in a very mental state. I also feel that’s why a lot of people in the spiritual community are focused on the light codes, the light language, the light downloads. Even sometimes when this is, you know, set in an ungrounded, unscientific way, they’re perceiving this aspect of the biophoton emissions and they are feeling like it’s entering the mitochondria and it’s creating a charge in the system, which is leading to an altered state of consciousness. That’s a very real phenomena. However, it can be a dangerous one too, ’cause we can’t stay in a place where we’re not allowing the other principle, which creates the balance to ripple into our fields as well. And so the counterbalance to that radi of principle is this magnetic principle. It’s the gravitation.

It’s literally that feminine principle that lives within the biofield and it pulls the energy inward. You become ilo in nature. And what that physically feels like is going from a state where you are irradiated by all this information, let’s say receiving lots of light codes or whatever you wanna call that process, feeling a lot coming through the crown chakra, feeling almost destabilized by lots of energy in the field. You’re literally in that excited state to feeling now that this energy curves inward and it allows you to rest more fully inside yourself, to embody your own field, to feel the energy moving you into deeper introspection and self-awareness and actually rooting with it so that you become centripetal in the physics way of looking at it.

The other part makes you centrifugal, which means that you’re pushed outward. And that can lead a lot of people to keep searching outside themselves and to keep looking for the savior, or outsourcing awareness, validation, whatever the case may be, because they’re literally stuck in that kind of radiative masculine state. Even if unconsciously, because they’re just used to metabolizing that charge and that principle inside the field. So to actually experience harmony embodied, there has to be both. And when they come together, it’s like the essence of light and love merging within the self. You have the light part that illuminates the cause for the curvature within you.

When you start to metabolize that and connect more deeply to yourself, and then the love essence it brings into the heart and it clarifies what needs to be healed. The inner illumination usually births a cause for a creative expansion, and so you could feel how there’s this kind of cycling of energy in a beautiful way if you allow yourself to surrender to it where you receive, you allow that to inspire some process of healing, transmutation, awakening within the self. And as more of those layers get exposed, you then start to implement that into actions that lets you bring your integrated self to the table and everything you do. No part of reality can be untouched by that process. That’s, I think, the beauty of looking at everything as part of a continuum and integrated spectrum.

Once you go through any awakening process, it permanently affects your relationships, your work, your relationship to reality, how you see and feel yourself, your health, because all parts of life are connected to the integrity of the system and on the level of the entire organism. All of this plays its part. So yeah, there’s a lot there to unpack further, but I think the essence really is to look at what is your field going through in terms of its dynamics, and are you letting yourself both feel, receive all this energy, and also stay on the expansive side of things, but at the same time, process that diligently and let yourself be introspective and stay within for as long as it takes to actually feel like you’ve gotten the deeper meaning, and you’re not just searching endlessly for something, thinking that that’s gonna bring you to the solution you want.

Guy:
That’s so beautifully put. I, I love the way you break things down. I truly do. I’m, I’m listening along and it’s like, so elegantly put, it’s amazing. What we witness a lot is that bio photonic charge that you speak of people, people are coming, searching for almost the, the euphoria, the, the expansive experience. But energetically it’s almost. There’s a lot of wounds and traumas that they’re not aware of. So it, that energy is beyond the body and it actually needs calling home and integrating and grounding into this plane. And it’s like people are, seem to be wanting to go further outside of themselves as opposed to integrate and be with what is present.

So it’s, it’s almost then lent into an opportunity to continue to skip over the wounds and not actually allow the wisdom and the innate intelligence of the divine self and the, the, the, the. Bodies that we are, which are just miracles in terms of how they can reorganize themselves and how they can become more coherent if we allow ourselves to be present with what is, as opposed to constantly putting in expectations on how this work should go and how it should be. You know, I, I find, I find the psyche of the human fascinating, and we’ve all been, I mean, I’ve been certainly guilty of it, you know, it’s taken a long time for it to, for me to fully land and understand that, and that presence of awareness that you speak of in terms of the integration process and just being present with what is as well and allowing that to be okay. What are you, yeah, I, I’d love to hear your thoughts on that in terms of, I guess, yeah, there’s, there’s a lot you can pick from in, in there.

Gabi:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
Yeah.

Gabi:
Yeah. I’ll tell you what’s coming to my mind. There’s a particular also split, there’s a lot of splits going on, obviously I don’t need to even say that, but kind of a big split within the split is within the light aspect of things. We’ve all heard of light and false light, these two aspects, and the difference between them really is, which includes the coherent energy and which doesn’t. So light is like a carrier wave also for another type of the energy, which is that love. The love can be built into the light. In unison, they birth coherence like light that illuminates and heals true light. That gives people an opportunity to feel at home like light coming from a pure intention light within the field that is already possessed in a manner of deeper knowing.

That you’ve metabolized like light that’s processed coherently by the mitochondria, it’s light that feels healing and charging and it sustains you fully. False light is another kind of principle where the light is divorced from the larger field concepts. It’s not in coherence, and often it’s associated with the Luciferian archetype. That’s something I feel called to just bring up because a lot of people are, I feel embodying this role inside themselves without even realizing it and also looking for it because it is a comforting kind of archetype to resonate with at a certain stage of the awakening process. It’s an archetype that allows you to keep that externalized relationship to the light you’re seeking usually for the same reason you mentioned that there’s wounds intact that don’t wanna be looked at, and so when the light is externalized, it allows you to keep trapped light inside the body, which is literally what those wounds resemble.

’cause when trauma happens. There’s patches of that frozen information, let’s say, inside the field, that’s trap light that needs to be metabolized and moved through. This is why if you look at emotions on a kind of thermal map, you could see how the anger lives as a very red energy inside the field. It creates this stimulated response inside the body. That emotion needs to be totally moved through, totally synthesized, processed, and transmitted into something that comes back into the heart field and allows you to feel an expansiveness and a release of that dense pressure. And the same thing goes for people that experience any other suppressed emotion.

They’re holding it inside themselves. And usually there’s a mental pattern that comes along with that, which is how to reject the inevitability of looking into that part that’s still being rejected or that hasn’t been fully understood and metabolized and healed, when really the the deepest essence and gift of the light is to shine itself on the unconsciousness. To illuminate that shadow complex, whatever it is, but to the conscious mind, that feels like a super threat. And usually the ego shields people from even looking into the heart of what they’re keeping. That’s creating that split nature. And so if we were to use the light as a principle of actually trying to find what aspects in the field are scared, are suppressed, are chronically used to holding and not allowing for this free flowing circulation of energy or vital life force, I think that would shine the light on actually where more love is needed.

So that’s where the two principles can coexist. You need to bring yourself into a loving relationship with even what needs to be healed. ’cause only then can that opening happen. And so a lot of people are, instead of choosing that, they’re looking for that light part. And the Luciferian energy is keeping you in a place of being partial with yourself. So usually there’s still a desire to like fix something that feels uncomfortable by accumulating something externally or adopting a certain role where you’re comfortably shape shifting, to not occupy the place of where that illumination is needed to create a permanent clearing, healing, and leveling up inside the field.

It can also show up as a pattern of thinking that you’re healed because you manifest, let’s say, a relationship that makes you feel whole under this illusion that somebody can complete those boxes internally and you’re actually keeping yourself divided and externalizing that field dynamic that has to exist within, which can also lead to a lot of the dysfunctional attraction patterns. Like when somebody is actually experiencing super explosive state of consciousness and they’re attracting somebody that’s super implosive. They think that that’s creating a pattern of wholeness when really they’re attracting someone that they feel can temporarily fit in their internal deficit. What’s really needed is to figure out where is love missing and to illuminate that and really to sit with the feeling of why any kind of externalization is happening or why one doesn’t feel totally whole, just being with themselves, and I feel that’s even more important than seeking the light part.

That’s the missing key in many ways, and even the spiritual field where the emphasis is on the light, it’s on the projection, it’s on almost the spiritual role play aspect of how do we just show up in this state where we’re embodying spirituality on the surface, when really we need to figure out where is it uncomfortable to feel that beneath the surface when we eliminate all the externalized parts and even think more about how we feel occupying our own field. Than how people see or feel. ’cause that too can lead to subtle contortion between the inner and the outer experience. So the most important thing I’d say, is to be radically honest in this process and to feel where’s the discomfort coming from? And from there, usually the work begins of learning how to be your best self.

Guy:
Yeah. You gotta, you gotta almost put your hand up and say, I’m ready. And, and really start to lean in, right. And start to explore, you know, what was coming to me as you, you were sharing all that, um, was this notion, a, it really is learning to love all aspects of ourselves unconditionally and bringing those into light, like you say. But then how much do you feel, ’cause we’ve already lent into these fields, and I’m thinking of the listeners as well, because we have a say and we use all the time. If you spot it, you got it.

Like, if you impose in a, something on the external world, there’s something within you that’s reflecting straight back at you needing to be healed. And the resonance of those aspects. Are ready to be loved if there’s an incoherence, if there’s a trauma, or if there’s something that’s beyond our awareness, but there’s still a resonance there. And how much do you then feel that that is resonating to the external field and that relationship is actually coexistent and being reflected back upon us? Like unconsciously how much you feel we’re affecting our reality in any given moment.

Gabi:
I do think all the time, it’s an inescapable part of living in such a universe built on these unitive principles, and often the fields attract perfect reciprocity. So the perfect equation to figure out what part of you are you also not seeing, but it’s not always the physical thing that’s immediately obvious on the surface. Often I feel it illuminates the way in which you relate to reality, and that is super revealing in a different way. So like what’s more important than even understanding the thing that you’re judging is why it triggers you beneath the surface. What part of you is being revealed when a totally opposite seeming individual or circumstance shows up, which can illuminate where there’s deeper fear or where you’re not fully in integrity?

’cause that if we were to look at on the organismal level, what is coherence really like on the human day-to-day practical level? It’s really, I, I feel the ability to stay in that coherence under a certain load. When there’s pressure, when there’s stress, when the differences arise, that’s usually when people are outside of their comfort zone, where a lot of revealing elements will come up. That’s also why when you’re in a relationship and you really get to know somebody deeply, all of a sudden you can start to feel a totally different version of themselves that you’re entangling with. ’cause you’re not in that honeymoon period where they try to impress you and bring about their best version.

You see them really in those rawest moments when there’s anger, when they’re tired, when there’s polarization, when they’re hungry, are they able to still stay in control of themselves and keep that kind of loving awareness when there could be a whole host of biological and environmental causes to derail? So that is a, a big test I think, for anybody to even test coherence on a day-to-day basis is to look at themselves in a somewhat third person way and to really look at how consistent are they? Are they able to fully be themselves and feel like themselves? When the stressors come up, when there’s all kinds of different, even negative stimuli that show up in a way to test their inner resolve.

And that Luciferian energy I mentioned is also like this archetype that keeps popping up in our environment through all the temptations, through all the distractions, through the noise, the social media in many ways. It’s constantly testing our ability to stop the swinging of the pendulum, so to speak, and come back to this equilibrium point, which requires different things for different people. Sometimes it’s just, uh, a knowing that who you are gets to stay consistent and you don’t need to bend yourself based on all the different things that can come up to, to test that alignment, or it could mean you have to physically unplug. You need a digital detox, you need to change your friend circle or get yourself in a place where you can really feel comfortable being in your own skin without feeling the need to change yourself or to run away from anything, but also that ability to stay in integrity.

Really about matching yourself on the deeper value system, so where your, your thoughts match your feelings, match your actions. It becomes very habitual to show up in that kind of coherent architecture of the self, but that usually is illuminated too and put to the test in those difficult circumstances. Yeah.

Guy:
Do you feel we’ve got too comfortable as a society? In terms of that, that that muscle’s not there. That there’s an, there’s an atrophy. Like we can be so instantaneously entertained. We can e everything is set up for us in life. If it’s too hot, we can put the air con on. If it’s too cold, we can put the heat on that. You know, everything is beyond ourselves that we’re reaching out to change an environment to make us feel good within, but yet I’ve certainly had to do it the hard way where I, I couldn’t reach out externally to change my environment. I had to, to learn to deal with what was external, internally, and through that, a development, like going to the gym spiritually started to manifest out of it. And an adaptation started to happen over time. And this process of, I guess, deeper and deeper remembrance continues. So I’m always. Wary of comfort in some ways, you know, not that I wanna make it the enemy, ’cause I like comfort too, you know? But at the same time, it’s always in me. It’s always there.

Gabi:
That’s a great point and people should be more wary about it. ’cause that’s exactly what I was gonna say about comfort, that it’s not the same as coherence. And a lot of people get tripped up on this point. They seek that and they think, oh, if I’m balanced, if I feel good, and if there’s a lightness, that means I’m in that like awakened blis state. But that usually means that you’re not looking into those blind spots. And that’s the really powerful function of the egoic mind too, that it’ll shield you so much that you think you’re in coherence, but you’re really in a high functioning state of dissociation when that’s happening. So that means you’re very comfortable to not see those parts of you that you don’t wanna see because they would collapse the illusion and this feeling of false comfort really, or false light.

That could be filling in those gaps with everything that’s being used to comfort the self. And it’s really deep. It’s not just a theoretical thing we’re talking about. It’s absolutely how the nervous system of so many people are set up these days from the need to go on a device to fill in the uncomfortable self relationship, looking for all kinds of validation, just kind of tracking the environment more than the inner workings of the self. And so I think the, one of the most nightmare things for a lot of people would be to just be in a place of that stillness and totally disconnecting from everything on the radar and just totally occupying this inner space, whether that’s in a darkness retreat or some kind of a aous set up. I think a lot of people would suffer sadly, even though that’s where we come from as beings of consciousness, right?

We’re we’re all born from that void state and that kind of quantum vacuum, that field of implosion is, I feel the most healing place to be, to really know your soul. That’s the soul’s comfort zone, but it’s the ego’s nightmare more often than not. ’cause when you’re there, everything ends up being revealed and you just feel it all. the place to really test the alignment, I feel.

Guy:
Oh, mate. It, it, and it, it blows my mind that we’ve got to this point in society

Gabi:
Yeah.

Guy:
actually just having to be in silence for a little while. Like you say, getting back to the birthplace of where, where we come from, what it is, it, it, it begs belief. Honestly, I, I still can’t wrap my head around it in some ways, you know? And one thing that keeps jumping in at me wanting to ask you about as well is the body’s ability through this, this coherence. I had love to know what you’ve sort of seen research feel or in terms of adaptation and evolution of then our potential. And I, I’m always intrigued to hear different people’s perspectives. ’cause on my own personal journey, I feel that adaptation continue to evolve. It’s as, it’s as if the very DNA, the fabric of my being is able to connect to more and more subtleties of energies and light. But there, there has to have been some kind of receptors that are adapting to these frequencies. So I, I’m, I’m interested to hear your thoughts on this. And then what is our potential, where can we take this?

Gabi:
Well, the sky’s the limit with our potential. Right? If we stop looking at ourselves as these fixed organisms, what’s the potential of consciousness we’re of these fields in general? There’s an instantaneous information transfer. That’s one thing, which is like the psycho kinetic telepathic ability that a lot of people are starting to tap into. Actually, it’s happening very spontaneously as a recognition that we are able to feel and receive a lot more energy than we think we are able to, because when we step out of that mental paradigm, you can develop the sixth sense and it comes very naturally through the pineal gland, through subtle energy exchange.

But to your point about the DNA, that’s where it all begins, and that’s where this process really lives. It’s, I’m drawn to the point of the, the introns in the DNA, so the non-coding parts of the DNA, which science deems to be the junk DNA, the irrelevant parts, when really that constitutes the bulk of our DNA and those introns connect to scale our energy fields, which are responsible for that non-local information transfer and the ability to experience. So much more of reality than our physical sense can even let on. So when we are exposed to all this incoherent information, including all the electromagnetic frequencies, including all the radiation, everything that we’re constantly bombarded by the 5G and the rest, we start to physically shut down those aspects of the DNA.

And I think over time the DNA spiral has, has become compressed to the degree that we are disconnected from the higher strand DNA potential to get there. We need to be oscillating at a different frequency to even connect with that morphogenetic field potential. So on the most basic level, this is about the blueprint that everything arises from. It’s how our organs have the defined sort of list of things that need to be expressed and our cells know exactly how to function. This lives within that process of morphogenesis. And the nature of that is coherence. So the more you’re exposed to factors that create compression and that seclude these fields to.

This discordant energetic information, the more you’re not able to receive and to feel, and that can lead to all kinds of genetic anomalies and gene transcription fails, and then you’re dealing with all kinds of diseases, which now science is trying to fix in a more reductionistic way without really seeing That means we’re disconnected from the morphic resonance and the set point of our connection to the natural field, the natural law. Why a feel that’s even more dangerous in this day and age of tech advancements is it’s gonna guide us into the transhumanist era more and more. Where now the focus is on optimizing the physical field and biohacking and doing all these things to really, I feel, convert us from this organic, super intelligent organism and natural law to an artificial law.

My promise immortality or my promise, anti-aging, under the guise that man can manufacture a better way to sustain this fractal antenna, which is really meant to connect us to source and to this morphogenetic template. So when that happens, my intuition’s telling me it can do a lot more than just sort of perfect the physical organism. I think it’s severing you from a lot of those scalar fields and the potentiality of connecting to the soul field and potentially even limiting your connection to where you come from. ’cause if you sever the connection to the soul field and to that, that primal place of belonging energetically, what are you really connected to at that point?

Is it ai? Is it a hive mind? Is it. Kind of a false matrix, which could be part of the underlying agenda. I think about this lots, and I feel like there’s so many factors now of kind of optimizing reality, bringing about this comfort, including all the technological solutions to create that sense of peace and all the smart cities and all these things. But really it’s preventing people from harmonizing with the natural field, which was once very different. And it’s even clear how the human resonance is changing all the time. As a part of this process, the more we’re bombarded by frequencies and all these events are occurring to sort of advance humanities technical functioning, we’re also dealing with this interesting counterbalance of the solar flares and the CMEs and these plasma storms, which I feel is kind of nature’s way of perhaps recalibrating us back to the original set point.

So maybe at the same time, we’re gonna see people following the transhumanist agenda. Stemming into this direction of the kind of enslavement of consciousness moving away from that natural code and adopting the artificial code that’s supposed to be more powerful than the natural order. At the same time, the people that feel inclined to preserve their autonomy in the organic way, they’re gonna be able to harmonize with higher strands of DNA via receiving these plasmic energies, which will be stimulating that naturally. And it depends on how deeply you wanna feel and invest yourself in coherence from the inside out as opposed to from the outside in. And that’s a, that’s a really deep choice, and I feel now’s the time to make it.

Guy:
Big time. I literally just had really an episode with Greg Braden last week on this very conversation, you know, of what’s, what’s happening at this point in time and that artificial versus organic intelligence that’s innateness. And the, the thing that I feel really passionate about is that if we really started to have an embodied experience of what that organic intelligence starts to feel like and, and start to, then you wouldn’t even consider the other. Options. It’s, it’s just, it would just, it would just fall away, you know? And I, I think that’s what drives me at a very deep level is creating space where people can actually start to experience themselves and, and feel this at a deeper level. Because I feel the real change is gonna come through. That how we are actually actioning and showing up in our lives, how we influence our friends, how we influence our family through the very essence of our state of being from that.

And people will want that, knowing that, because it’s so attractive. If you’re in a depressed state or if you’re emotionally avoided or disconnected from yourself, why wouldn’t it be attractive going to the the artificial way with all these claims, right? But the moment, the moment you actually really feel that. What it is to be, you know, and connect back to your soul and, and this, the divine spark within you, then everything changes. And like you said, maybe the planetary shifts that are happening right now are to, to bring all that up in us, to make us look at that and say, Hey, you know, before you go down this route, let’s, let’s look at who we really are here. You know, maybe I’m getting, being too romantic, but that’s, that’s what’s really driving it for me in a big way.

Gabi:
Me too. Yeah. I feel the same way. We have to choose wisely, and this is so stimulating. If we’re already connected to this concept, I believe so strongly, we know this. On a deep level, we would be betraying our core knowing and our inbuilt wisdom. If we would choose something different and actually we’re repelled from those alternatives or those solutions. They’re not really solutions to us. We know that they’re kind of a synthetic modification, sort of like eating genetically modified foods, overeating organic foods that you grow in your garden or you get at the farmer’s market, right? For certain people. There’s an appeal to, to choosing what you can trust.

You can feel the energy field of that is different. I feel it is more connected as an organism. You can feel more of the aliveness in it. The genetically modified material is going to click into your body in a more synthetic way and you won’t be able to receive from it, which you would from the organic food. Certain people feel that and some don’t, and that’s also the split you’re tapping into, which is I think, deeply philosophical and humanity’s been playing with these ideas for a very long time. I call it the God manhood versus man godhood split. I didn’t come up with the concept. There’s been some, some research on it, but just kind of philosophizing the concept of are we trying to play God as a human race or are we trying to activate that God spark within the self to align with the natural way?

That’s what this is all about. That Luciferian side of things is the protocol of let’s try to play with. How heroic we can be when we choose to co-opt the possibilities and we manipulate them and we modify and we try to prevail over what is inherently here, which to me speaks volumes about the desire to also trap the feminine energy. ’cause that part can’t be controlled. It’s also like trying to, with radiation control, the loving principle people that are always trying to project and convince and play their role on the external plane in a way that’s actually causing them to step away from the heart field and the inherent desire to just surrender within.

That’s where you really find that God spark. If you’re not connected to it, of course you’re gonna have to find a way to, in a more transhumanist attitude project outside of the self and to create a protocol to live in that dissociative fashion. And so people that aren’t connected to themselves, they’re naturally inclined to choose the, the route of the modification, manipulating what their field because they don’t feel their own nature. But as soon as you even go into physical nature and you feel that beauty and that harmony and you get barefoot and you feel the ions from the ground coming up into your body, you know, you can feel the exchange and you know that that’s where you really can source your quality of aliveness from, from feeling the oneness and from dropping all the fear that would be telling you, you need to outsource and you have to create a synthetic blueprint. When the truth is it’s, it’s right here, ready to be felt and trusted and fully lent itself to,

Guy:
Yeah,

Gabi:
more than a mindset shift. I think it’s a multidimensional shift and we’re, we’re here to remember how to play by the that original blueprint.

Guy:
absolutely. Absolutely. I, I wanna go off in a bit of a slightly different direction here, but again, it’s just, I, I feel like I should, I should raise it for, for everyone to just be a interesting part of the conversation, but as, as a surely, I know you’re aware of this, but the, um, you know, we, especially through stress response, we, we experience reality just through our five century experiences, and we, we don’t tune into any the subtleties. So we, we, we experience reality through very, very narrow bandwidth of light. And through this, everything we’ve talked about today and this adaptation, then that, that, what I’ve noticed is that bandwidth starts to expand and you start to tune into more, more subtleties. Of what’s within the field to the point where there’s other presences and others.

I’ve found that support, especially when we hold five day retreats, I feel some absolutely incredible angelic beings come in that support us, that feel like, that have a bigger, um, agenda here to support humanity. And this is just through rinse and repeat, showing up and creating space like this and creating an energetic field where the resonance is so pure and light that it’s able to connect at, at deeper levels. And it is the most unbelievable, beautiful, experiential thing that you, it’s just like, wow, this is, this is who we are. This is what’s possible at this point in time, and I wonder what’s even more possible. But I, I wonder what your thoughts are upon this, and if there’s. Support beyond the physical right now that are supporting us.

Gabi:
Yeah, I’m sure many people have felt that support as something that you don’t even need to believe in, you don’t need to trust or have an explanation for, but you just know it, you know it’s there. And it guides the surrender process, and it certainly feels like we’re not alone on multiple levels. Including the level of a lot of people trying to, you know, put that to the test and, and see it and spot it. Or a lot of people waiting for any kind of savior, including the extraterrestrial savior. That’s another big archetypal theme, I feel is projected collectively, because that’s the way that people physicalize this feeling of trusting the presence.

The presence is something, like you said, beautifully, it lives inside the field. So when you harmonize and when you attain this hierarchy state inside your own field, it’s right there. And so often I even look at angelic presences as frequencies, like wavelengths of this energetic information. So when you’re there, you can feel that as almost like a musical chord that you’re resonating with. Often you can feel that even when you listen to music. Like I know for myself, I use music as a tool to achieve harmonization inside my field. And if I’m ever stagnant or if I’m too much, like I’m putting it now in this radiation department thinking too much or focusing on something more external. I use music very intuitively to put myself in this state that I wanna be in.

It often feels kind of like an angelic presence also in that field that the music is connected to. Like for example, I’m obsessed with Han Simmer music. I got to experience him alive last year, and that was such an incredible thing to feel. And it makes you emotional. I mean, what’s evoked is so much more than just notes. I feel like you can feel the entire cosmic process, like the Birth of a Star or Supernovas, that that’s the feeling when you experience that movement because it’s really like in music what’s happening is a call and a response, this kind of completion process between the notes. And that’s a language in and of itself.

It feels like you can sense the angel singing when you hear that kind of music. And so that’s often what I also feel, that that presence is there, but you also evoke it by achieving that divine resonance inside yourself. And that’s why historically people achieve that resonance in glorious temple. Looking at beautiful art, experiencing this kind of vast architecture. Also connection to certain sacred sites because what you feel there, it moves your body and reminds you that you’re that temple. And through alignment with it, you can literally feel the angels around you. You’re, you’re in that kind of realm of understanding.

And I feel a lot of us have also that deep knowing, which is why we gravitate towards such things. They remind us of our own divinity inherently. And I feel you’re probably producing that through the work you do just naturally by creating that frequency sound bath almost. It’s like an atmosphere that evokes that beautiful divine, coherent nature of reality.

Guy:
Yeah, I, it’s undeniable. It’s, it really is. You know, and I, I, I’m very fortunate ’cause I, I get to see the, the best of humanity. I, I see complete strangers coming together that, uh, from all different walks of life. Would probably never talk to each other ever on the street or, you know, but when you get beyond the identity and get back to that heart resonance and to the essence of what’s really there for everyone, and air it out and let it move, and that energetic field just naturally starts to elevate the, the connections, the bonds, the synchronicities, the spontaneousness things, the healings that happen, everything that starts to unfold. It’s, it’s incredible.

It’s beautiful. And it’s like, why isn’t this a common occurrence? Why, why aren’t we, you know, I guess in some ways church was a way of bringing communities together, but it was always seeking outside of ourselves that this must be worship out here. And not that, not that I ever really went to church, but you know what I’m saying? So when I see that and hold that and look at that, you just think, wow, you know. It needs to be known. Hence why I got a podcast and have conversations like this every week as well. You know, so it’s, it’s a slow, uh,

Gabi:
That’s awesome.

Guy:
yeah, it’s a slow, uh,

Gabi:
In that you’re, you’re changing, yeah. You’re changing the definition of faith, I feel is what you’re doing there from faith, being something more mind based and conceptual to something that’s really tive. It’s almost like creating a, like a theory of everything, but it binds together the universal meaning with the individual meaning, and it makes people really feel viscerally that. They’re always connected to everything else, and nothing has to be done to achieve that. You’re already stitched into the fabric of reality in a multidimensional way. But when you learn that, it starts to open up all these other questions and doors of inquiry about how do I then express my energy?

How do I trust all these facets of awareness and really start to move myself in resonance with reality, which can start with understanding why have things been happening in a certain way, tracking the relationship patterns, understanding health, feeling what’s been so uncomfortable about the self, but then decoding that in a way where now you, you allow for that, a chemical process to unfold naturally, and then from there you have faith in your power to not just transmute, but to create a whole new channel of expression and then probably your, your quantum shifting into a whole new reality at that point.

I mean, I totally believe when people capture that. True faith in themselves is more than just a physical entity. They’re on a new timeline at that point. It’s not a physical reductionistic pathway, it’s not linear. Things happen more quickly. There’s more instantaneous progression because once you know that your template is working totally differently, and so quantum transformation happens. So when, when you hold the right field within that prepare to, uh, receive the unexpected, even though it shouldn’t come as a surprise, that when you really have faith in the fullness of it, everything shifts.

Guy:
Yeah. No, you nailed it. That’s exactly it. Faced within themselves, and, and we hear it all the time then, because obviously we spend nearly a week with people, you know, months later they’re coming back. You’re not gonna believe what happened. This has happened, that happened. My life’s gone a completely different trajectory. Once that state of presence is, is held, you know, do you, do you have all this written down? Like you, you know, I feel like I’m talking to Google, you know what I mean? I just like pump the question is just, it comes outta you, you, you, you’ve, the way you put things together, Gaby, honestly, your hats off to you is absolutely beautiful. I’ve been sitting near today just holding a heart space and, and just letting you go. Like, it’s, it’s been an absolute pleasure. But you have a book though, right?

Gabi:
I do. It’s called falling up A Path to Self-Realization.

Guy:
What, what would people find if they were to get the book? What’s in there?

Gabi:
it’s a journey. You know, I was on a journey when I wrote this book and I felt very much like this conversation. It was coming through me. I didn’t force it. I tried funny story in the beginning. I, I felt this information literally in the ether. That’s usually how I feel information. It’s like right there. And I just need to make myself coherent enough to allow for the transmission to come through. So I felt it and I thought I’d be able to transmit it all in a short amount of time. So I gave that a go. It didn’t work. I realized I needed to be transformed throughout the process of delivering this book.

And so it came over a period of months that it was coming through kind of chapter by chapter in a very intuitive way. And it was a mind blowing process for me to experience because the nature of the material harmonized with my interactions. As in imagine I got information, I felt it, I lived it. I kind of birthed it through me, and I, I was doing the whole thing through voice memos actually. So it was like we were speaking, this is my conduit state when I’m just connected to that feeling in the field and I’m making myself permeable enough that it just flows through me. So I just, I would sit in a closet and close my eyes when I would feel the batch come in, in hot, and I just spoke, and then I transcribed the information.

So when I did that, I would notice profound synchronicities with people I would speak with. Themes in sessions with people and different things that I would notice in reality, like, so it would be a theme that I would move through me, and the theme would be something related to the human journey. So the different facets of consciousness and really looking at us as like diamonds, fractal diamonds of universal consciousness. But the journey is the same for all of us. So that’s the essence of falling up. You don’t need to fall down and learn the hard way. You can stop that process of linear progression and really start to analyze everything from the inside out, starting from the absolute deepest layer and levels where most people are feeling disturbed to go that deep.

I try to make it a beautiful journey and show how people can learn to be more intimate with themselves in reality and just see it from so many more powerful angles because it’s, it’s our fire that we’re reclaiming. It’s this inherent intelligence of our fields. And once you can speak the language of consciousness, it flows so much more easily. So ultimately, it just brings to the point that we’re always falling up, the awakening journey, it doesn’t end. There’s just more and more layers to unravel. And when you’re learning to be coherent, it gets easier with time. So you find that you, you stop struggling, you stop resisting. When you feel there’s tension in the field, you can iron it out, sort of like a, like a wrinkle.

You feel there’s something to be resolved, you know how to hold that intentionally. And then you’re kind of blessed with more wisdom through the process of unraveling that. So it’s, it’s a beautiful journey and I, I really feel that we’re part of a continuum where a lot of us right now are part of the same wave and one quantum.

Guy:
Yeah.

Gabi:
So what we’re feeling is something very universal and it’s timely that so many people feel called to step into this true role of organic functioning. You know, really being human and not being synthetic when that matters most in your internal relationship to all things

Guy:
Yeah, absolutely. And do you work with people one-on-one and things like that? Do, yeah. Yeah.

Gabi:
do. Yeah. I do per personal one-on-one sessions and I have a course for women ’cause that’s become one of my specialties. Lately I felt a real calling to help women to, to hold space for their power in a non feminist way. I’ll say not in a way of also being super radiative, which is how women can become very masculine, unintentionally. And it’s not a bad thing per se, but it’s usually a sign that there’s wounds that aren’t being looked at. To your prior point, when you try to turn away from that without integrating it, the woman will become one of many different archetypes that is high functioning and seems to keep it all together, but then also storing a lot of pain and dealing with all kinds of issues like health issues, menstrual issues, super dysfunctional relationship patterns, very, very sad stuff.

So it has to be looked at as the woman too is like this multidimensional vessel and to really shine into glow in that feminine radiance is to understand how all these different dimensions of the field need to be looked at for what they really are. So I, yeah, that’s my forte with women, but I work with men and women and really I see people as all fractals of the same.

Guy:
No. Beautiful. And where can people go to find out more about your work? Abby.

Gabi:
So I post on YouTube weekly, as do you,

Guy:
Yes, I do.

Gabi:
uh, I’m posting on, on Instagram all the time. And Gabi coco.com is where you could. Just learn a little more about me and my work. And so, and the book is a good starting place for anyone that wants to hear the journey. It, it really takes you on a journey into different stages, almost like a, a mini awakening rabbit hole to, to plunge into and just start to see from all these different angles.

Guy:
How do you say your last name?

Gabi:
there. Kovalenko. It’s Ukrainian and most can’t say it.

Guy:
Kovalenko. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I remember that for the introduction. I’ll do my best anyway. Is, is there anything you wanna add before we wrap up the podcast?

Gabi:
Hmm. Well, yeah, we said a lot of deep stuff for people to chew on, but I would say really it’s, it’s the time to, to focus on devoting to this process of optimization. Not in the old paradigm way of doing that, but really bringing your best self through this coherent awareness of what do you want to embody? So getting really clear on the value system. Then feeling inside yourself. All of the unprocessed emotions that will literally on the other side of that give rise to what wants to be expressed. And that’s where you practically allow for the coexistence of that radiation and that magnetic gravitational energy inside the field.

This also brings you outside of the time dimension. So another way to look at that masculine radiation side of things is that’s time. That’s what binds you to the time space matrix. That’s why a lot of people are trying to get out of this place. They’re tired of the prison planet. They wanna just ascend and go home, but they’re really bound to that linear way of looking at reality because you’re stuck in that place where you’re projecting awareness in a way that’s still localized. I invite people to, to feel deeper than that feel into the place where time stops and your heart is showing you an eternal truth, and that’s where you really feel your soul and you can find beauty in yourself and in the entire experience in a different way. And of course there’s deep emotions that accompany that process, but usually that’s what reveals where to bring more love through yourself and into the world where you start to make an impact.

And I do feel that this year, like you said, 2026, it’s a powerful time to focus on impact and on being our better selves to be better for the collective. It’s, it’s time to be a little more impersonal about what we’re doing here and leave our old selves behind and, and allow for that learning to culminate in really meaningful co-creation.

Guy:
Mm.

Gabi:
I, I hope everybody feels that and, and does their part to feel meaningful for themselves in this world.

Guy:
If they’re listening to this point right now, I don’t doubt it. I don’t doubt it if they all the way through. Gabi, you’ve been an absolute joy to have on the podcast. Honestly, I’ve loved every moment. I really appreciate you. I appreciate what you’re doing. I’m putting out there and um, yeah. Thank you for everything that you do.

Gabi:
Thank you so much for holding the heart field and for allowing the resonance through, and I wish everybody to have more of these conscious conversations and, and to feel this way, to feel this frequency all the time. ’cause you can always access it from within.

Guy:
That’s right. Thank you. My lovely. Thank you.