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Jim:
The Ra contact began and it was the type of challenge where she left her body and she was with Ra in what was called the Fifth Inner Plains level, and she wasn’t aware of anything that was going on or at the very end of the 75,000 year master cycle. Throughout time, they had been looking for ways to help entities on planet Earth to move forward on their spiritual journeys without infringing on their free will.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my podcast. Excuse the background noise. I am, uh, away on a small campsite in Southwest Rocks, and it’s actually my birthday today. I gotta celebrate it with my son who’s just turned two though. Uh, he didn’t last very long. Anyway, um, my epic yesterday is Jim McCarty and, uh, you might be familiar of the law of one a channel text. This podcast is wild and it dives deep and it was amazing. Chant to Jim. He’s only the, the sole remaining person or the three of them that made contact with raw and channeled probably one of the most famous channel techs as well. I didn’t know a great deal about of it. And this conversation for me dives into that today so I could have a deeper understanding of it.

You know, he was, uh, Jim was living remote off grid for the list for six years, and then he came across this, we get into all his story, the, the Robert, the raw contact. Their interpretation of the nature of reality and also about consciousness and what they predict has come in for humanity as well is fascinating conversation. Um, when, when we get into things like predictions and everything like, uh, that around. Uh, globally, I’m, I always like to look at this from a curious place, not from a fearmonger in place. And ultimately, at the end of the day, the way we lean into this work, uh, is very difficult. We can’t control circumstances outside of ourselves, but we can certainly learn the tools and techniques to, to navigate, uh, the tools within ourselves.

Ultimately, the more I’ve gone inward, the more I felt the more in control of my own life, even though as you surrender to it. Uh, anyway, I digress. Please let me know where you are in the world, where you’re watching this, and, uh, hit me up on, on YouTube. Your engagement, your shares, your likes, your comments are all contributing to help get this channel out there, get these conversations out there. Uh, I love it. And I’m sure if you’re a regular viewer of my podcast, you’re enjoying it too, uh, which is phenomenal as well. I’m looking forward to taking a few weeks off before we hit our retreats in the new. Uh, around the world. We’re gonna be in Bali next year. I believe. New Zealand is sold out in March, Australia, sold out in January.

We are getting some real momentum. It’s exciting. More and more people are coming together, making beautiful relationships from a heart-centered space. And I hope to meet you somewhere, somewhere in person, uh, during 2026. Why not? Hey, and you never know. We are even looking at coming to the United States. So if you are in the United States and you wanna, um, connect with us and the work. Let us know. Hopefully we will be getting there soon. Anyway, much love from me. There’s all links below to support you best. Join us retreats, community, et cetera, and enjoy this podcast with Jim. Uh, I loved it. He’s a good man.

Guy:
Jim, welcome to my podcast. Really appreciate you coming on.

Jim:
I’m glad to be here. Thank you for having me.

Guy:
very welcome mate. You’re very welcome. Uh, I always like to kick off the show, very simple question and uh, ’cause I like to invite the listeners in as well. But imagine we were all at a intimate dinner party right now, and you were sitting there and you sat next to a stranger they asked you what you did for a living, or what you do for a living, or what you’re most passionate about. How would you respond to that?

Jim:
Well, I would say that I have, for many, many years now, I’ve had meetings at my home that involve meditation, and occasionally we have the honor of being able to communicate with entities that are in higher densities or natures of reality than we are. And that this is something that has been spoken of in all the major religions of the world in their mystical aspect. What we have here is the perennial philosophy of the, the creation was made by the creator so that it could get to know itself through each of us and the way we make our choices to how to live our lives.

Guy:
And that, that’s a pretty deep answer as well. You know, it, it’s interesting, Jim, growing up in Wales, I had no idea this work existed, by the way, like, no, I was born in 1974 and the first. 20 years of my life, 25 years, I didn’t even know what yoga was. You know? That’s how kind of removed from all this it was. How do you feel that has evolved? ’cause we’ll get into the law of one teaching soon and how you come across it, but how do you feel this has evolved for you now? Because it seems to be a lot of conversations and you could say that to a lot of people and they probably would just wanna know more as opposed to running away. Is that what you found over the years?

Jim:
Well, how it’s evolved for me is that I just want to be of service to people that I meet or know, or hope to know in any way that I can. Uh, whether it’s, uh, inviting them to our public channeling meditations, sharing our audio books, um, helping my neighbors, uh, just by planting some flowers for them that they can’t plant themselves because they’re not, they’re too old to do that for themselves. Uh, whatever chance comes my way to be of service, I, I want to try to do that.

Guy:
Within the, the law of one teachings. I know they speak about oneness and unity and, and this, this concept that ultimately we are all one, that we are all connected and that we. Like you say, you’re of service and you’re supporting one another, but yet when you look out in the world, we’re kind of conditioned to be completely separate from that. That we are separate from everything. We’re separate from other people. We’re separate from source, and I can, I guess that keeps us in fear a little bit. I view always been of that mindset and that spiritual mindset of. That connection and unity consciousness, or has there been a, an evolution of you before where you only thought about me and not we, per se, on your journey?

Jim:
Uh, I would say for the last 50 or so years of my life, it’s been something that has grown more and more in my desire e every day to be of service to others. Uh, when I was back in high school and in college, I was part of the consensus reality. My mom and dad worked in a grocery store that was part of a chain that was, uh, out of Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was expected by my mom and dad and the, uh, officers or their. Leaders of that chain of grocery stores that I would climb the company ladder and I would earn more money as I went higher and higher. But then the hippie revolution came around and I joined that. I decided I didn’t want to have the rest of my life spent on just making money.

So that at that time I joined what was called the American Teacher Corps. That was, and I was based in, uh, Gainesville, Florida. And the Teacher Corps had the purpose of trying to keep the Head Start program that the kindergartners had, uh, in the low income areas of Jacksonville, Florida. Try to keep that going because it wasn’t going. So they got something going called, uh, um. The first three grades of the school of first, second, third grade would be used to. Magnify or reinstate that head start. So then I had the honor of being able to have my own class, uh, with some other of our interns. We were called interns and uh, we worked with the kids in the low income areas and tried to individualize their educations because in the classrooms that they were in.

Uh, that wasn’t individualized. And these were kids that were called incorrigible. They didn’t wanna do what they were told. So we took them and we, we gave them individual types of education or whatever field it was, or math or uh, English or, or whatever. And uh, after about two years there, we got a master’s degree in education. And I discovered that there was a place in Colorado, uh, the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. That had a program where you could, uh, work with your dreams and in those working with dreams, you would go back to where you were a child and you were told to do certain things or told that you weren’t good enough or you weren’t smart enough.

And, uh. Those were kind of like ways of stopping the brain in its natural function. So after working with it for a while, the, uh, the brain could have its energy circuit into what you might call the third eye or the indigo ray chakra, and a greater level of understanding would come about. And so at that point, I decided that I would try to do what was taught there and I would start my own school here in Kentucky. I decided that, uh, being raised in Nebraska where everything was a flat plane, I wanted to have some variety in my, uh, life. So the hills and the valleys here were where I wanted to be, and that was the place that I eventually met Don and Carla and, uh. Became part of their meditation group. And after a while, a couple of years, um, then um, I was honored to be part of the raw contact.

Guy:
Wow. you said working with dreams, what was that like going into a meditative state and, and or ex was you conscious going into hypnotherapy? know, go on.

Jim:
No, uh. Each of us, uh, built our lean tos out of sight of the base camp where we ate our meals and talked about our dreams, and we worked with actual dreams. And we, uh, the way we worked with them was to let our subconscious mind know that we wanted to get information about how, uh, our life was when we were kids. And usually before the age of seven, each of us had had, and most kids have some sort of programming that says, you have to do this, you have to do that, and you don’t have any say in it. And so eventually that leads to some kind of a, a blockage of the, the ability of the brain to circuit that energy into the frontal lobes, or the indigo shocker or the third eye, you know, it got a lot of names.

And so after a while, uh, the fellow who ran the school said that, you know, most people have two or three different blockages like that. And if you work with those blockages with somebody, that takes the place of the person who programmed you that way, and then. Remember that you didn’t have any say in it when you were programmed that now you have a say and so as a person would do what they, what was done to you, then you say, no. No, I do have a say and you would scream and shout and cry, and that would close that synapse that was open in the brain and draining away your brain’s natural ability to give you that ability to contact the frontal lobes or the third eye. And so that happened for me, and that was why I went to Kentucky to try to start my own school and do the same thing with with others.

Guy:
Gotcha. So sort, sort of like constellation work. That’s what came to mind when you, you were speaking to that kinda, yeah. No, amazing. It’s powerful. Thank you. So, so just to help, bring in with the listeners, there was, if I’m mistaken, it’s Don Elkins and Kala Ruki. Is that how you pronounce the name?

Jim:
Record. Yeah.

Guy:
And yourself? So they were doing the meditation. So you joined a meditation class and they were there doing the meditation class. Is that, is that correct? Right.

Jim:
Right. Uh, I, I, I, that time when I first met them, I was living in the woods in my log cabin that I built, and I was off the, off the grid. I didn’t have any power or anything, but I’d heard about them. I had a, a battery powered radio. That, uh, I was tuning into a station in Lexington, Kentucky at WKQQ Radio, and Don and Carla were being interviewed on the topic of UFOs, but they weren’t talking about what they looked like. They were talking about the one great original thought of love that created the entire creation or the infinite creator, or God, whatever you want to call it. And uh, fortunately, uh, later on I was a member of a food buying co-op. ’cause we tried to grow our own food, but we couldn’t grow everything. So, uh, we got together once a month, uh, to order things, uh, from the Federation of Ohio River co-ops that was based in Columbus, Ohio.

And, uh, placed our orders there. And so, uh, after I’d heard Don and Carla being interviewed, I just happened to mention that, that at one of those meetings and that it just happened on the other side of the county, they were. Folks were members of Don Carlos meditation group. So they said they would introduce me to them. So I started driving up to Louisville. It was, uh, 70 miles there and 70 miles back every Sunday, and sometimes during, uh, the week as well. And I took part in their channeling meditations and actually learned how to channel there in 1980. So that was where I met them. And eventually, uh. After a couple of years of going back and forth from my land to their, uh, their home, uh, and uh, at that time it was, uh, yeah, it was a Waterton trail Then, um, so three weeks after I joined them, uh, the raw contact began,

Guy:
Okay. How, just outta curiosity, how long were you off grid for? What was that like?

Jim:
uh, six and a half years. Um, I really enjoyed it a lot. Um, I built my own log cabin. I grew my own food, most of my food in the garden. I had, uh, some, uh, apple trees and p of trees, and I kept bees. So I had honey and, uh, there was a farmer’s market in Perryville, Kentucky, about 30 miles away that I could sell some of my produce and, uh, the honey from bees. And, uh, I, I really enjoyed it. Uh. I think probably that one of the reasons I enjoyed it so much is I was an only child. I was used to being alone, so, uh, that wasn’t any problem for me.

Guy:
because it, there’s a, you know, you see more, more people kind of turning back to that kind of living now. You know, they’re creating small communities, they’re going off grid. They’re really getting back to basics. Um, no, that’s fantastic. And to be listening to a battery powered radio of two people that happen to be talking about UFO contact, you know, what are the odds really with, with all of that, when you

Jim:
I think.

Guy:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Incredible. So when, when you, um, started leaning into the, the raw contact and what became later the Lord of one was channeling, um, kind of a real left of the field thing at the time, or was it well known within the meditation communities? or did it feel like, you know, really extreme back then in 1980?

Jim:
Well, there were not a lot of people that were channeling that we knew about because the, uh, internet was not in effect yet. We couldn’t communicate with each other, but we found out that there were other people that were channeling. In fact, Don, uh, was originally, uh. The physics professor at the University of Louisville, and he heard about this channeling process from a fellow that had been transferred to the Ford Motor Company in Louisville from the Ford Motor Company in Detroit, where there was a fellow named Walt Rogers who had had a face-to-face encounter with a, an entity from A UFO. And then he had what was called the lingering telepathic contact. And then he was told by this, uh, contact. Uh, there, there was hadan, supposedly a group of entities from the fourth density of love and understanding that if they wanted to get together and have meditation groups that Hadan could give them answers to their questions about their spiritual journey.

So Don got a hold of some of this information, which we have later, uh, labeled the Brown Notebook, and he got an experiment going with some of his physics students. He invited, uh, 12 of them to join him in, in a, in an experiment. He didn’t tell ’em what they was gonna do, uh, but he was hoping that they could, uh, reproduce this channeling. And one of them asked if he could bring his girlfriend there. And that just happened to be Carla Ruckert. And, uh, Don said, sure, that’s fine. So after about a month or so, there wasn’t any channeling going on at all. Um, there was a lot of, uh, what was later called conditioning of mouths opening, closing and tongue slurping and, uh, hair on the back of your neck raising.

And so Walt Rogers came down from Detroit and Channel Hadan and Hadan said, well, we have contact with almost everyone here, but you’re not saying the words we’re giving you. You’re analyzing them. Analyzing them will stop the process. You need to say them. And after the whole process is over, then look at the words and see what you think about them. So after that, almost everybody in the group except for Carla, learned how to channel, and that went on for a few years. And then about 1968. Uh, Carla decided that, uh, she would like to join Don in, uh, this channeling work, and they had a few of the folks that were part of that original group with them. But as the time went on and they got jobs elsewhere around the country as they graduated college, then Don asked Carla if she’d be willing to learn how to channel.

So, uh, she started channeling, the first group was this Hatton group of a fourth density that was started. She started channeling in 1974, and then about 1979 Laie was another group, or what was later called a Social Amendment complex. Uh, thousands and thousands of different entities that were all seeking in the same way. And LA was from the fifth density of light or wisdom. So after a couple years, then. Uh, I joined them and I learned how to channel. Uh, Hatan and Lutie and some of the other, uh, entities from the, it was called The Confederation of Planets in the service of the infinite creator that’s composed of, uh, all different, uh, entities from different places like Planet Earth, where they had all decided to seek together as one.

And to seek more information about how they were one with the creator and how they should be of service to everyone around them, at least 51% of the time. So, uh, we had various channels from those confederation. And, uh, then in, uh. After I went there and began to live with him, not just, uh, drive up from my cabin in the Kentucky. Uh, three weeks later after joining him, the Ra contact began and the channeling that, uh, Carla provided then was, uh, not just trance channeling like Jane Roberts used with Seth, but it was the type of channeling where she left her body and she was with Ra in what was called the fifth, uh, inner planes level, and she wasn’t aware of anything that was going on. Uh, when, uh, the session was over, she would, Dom would say, uh, Carla, how are you doing? And say, um, I’m fine. Uh, what happened it for, to her, it was just like going to sleep and waking up.

Guy:
That’s incredible. I did not know that. So when you decided to together, the three of you to do contact with ra, did you know who you were gonna contact at that point? Or was it, let’s. like, how, how did you end up, how, how did it end up being raw and creating that relationship?

Jim:
We had no idea we were gonna contact anybody like raw. Uh, we were just doing the regular meditations, uh, during the week and our special Sunday night meditations. They usually had more people there. We were channeling, uh, and Hatan and Manka and uh, Laos. And so that was what we were doing. Um, but on one Wednesday afternoon, Don and Carla were teaching one of the students from the Sunday night meditation how to channel, and I was out shopping for groceries. So. While I was gone, that was the first raw contact. And when I came back, uh, I had groceries in my arms and I interrupted the first raw contact that was in the living room. And in session 1.9 you’ll see that they raw says We must deepen this instrument’s contact. And, uh, because that, I just interrupted it.

So I went back into the kitchen and put the groceries away, and afterward Don said. Jim, this is it. We’ve been waiting 19 years for this. Could you transcribe this session right away? ’cause I was transcribing all the sessions at that time, and I said, right away he said, yes, this is it. And so as I was transcribing it, I, I thought, yeah, I have never heard anything like this. It’s so specific and many layered.

Guy:
Incredible. Why? Why at the time did RA want to bring this message in? Like, why are they taking the time to do that for us? because you, as you made yourself available to receive.

Jim:
Well this, they were members of what I just mentioned, the confederation of PS and the service of the infinite creator, and they were at, uh, the. I guess you’d say the sixth level of, of the octave, uh, where you blend the balanced love of the fourth density and wisdom of the fifth density. And throughout time, they have been looking for ways to help entities on planet earth to move forward under spiritual journeys without infringing on their free will. So they noticed that the Egyptians seemed to have what we would call pantheism. They saw that the creator was everywhere around them. But they didn’t worship the creative. They just knew that that was the way things were. So Ra thought that that would be a good opportunity to walk among the Egyptians because this was very rare.

They had to have a, what you might call a consensus reality. And because the Egyptians believed in pantheism, then Rah decided they would walk among them, and they did. And they gave them a lot of information about their spiritual journeys, but they discovered that it was reserved by the rich and powerful for themselves and not shared with others around them, which was a distortion of the law of one that says all people are equal. And so they felt it made a mistake. They were naive, and so they left and they went to the fifth density or the fifth inner planes of Earth and tried to figure out what to do about it. So at one point, uh, there was, uh, about three thou that was, uh, about, um, 11,000 years ago. So then, uh, few thousand years later in, uh, 3000 years ago from now, there was an Egyptian pharaoh called Anaan, and he was, uh, apparently, uh.

One who felt that there was a great resonance to the information that RAW was channeling through him and his wife, Nefertiti and his brother Skara. And so he decreed the law of one as the law of the land. And for that period of time, raw felt that they had made a a good choice. But when. Anaan, uh, passed away. Uh, the priests at that time then were just giving lift service to what he said. When the anaan passed away, they went back to the worship of many gods because they felt that this was the way to go and not, you know. The law of one or not even pantheism. So, uh, rah felt that once again, that they had made a mistake and they were trying to find out other ways of correcting that to balance the error they had made.

And for thousands of years, they came to people in dreams and gave them information. Uh, but then when Don and Carla and I got together, they found that we had the, uh, the harmony between us and the desire to be of service that would support the raw contacts. So that’s why they contacted us in, in an attempt to make reparations for what they thought was their naivete with the Egyptians.

Guy:
Holy moly. I had no idea. That’s, that’s, that’s pretty wild when,

Jim:
Yeah.

Guy:
so with the pyramids then part of that evolution of them walking amongst them, the Egyptians and teaching them that technology. It.

Jim:
Uh, the pyramids were apparently built about 6,000 years ago. Um, the great pyramid of Giza, uh, was something that, uh, those of raw were able to build by thought. Uh, they, they were using the ability of the creator to move the energies. Of, uh, construction of formation of types of, uh, of, well, the pyramid has an ability to channel ener energy from the creator through it. And there are the various places in it, uh, the Queen’s Chamber and the King’s Chamber, the resonating chamber where the, the, uh, the Prana or the love light of the Creator is, uh, more powerfully felt. So they built that by thought. And in 27.1 is where they really talk about how they were able to do that.

Uh, there’s a place in the Bible where it says that if, uh, you had the ability to, uh. Contact the, uh, God or the creator’s, uh, energies and channel them that together as a group. You could move mountains or you could create mountains. So what they did was basically create the pyramid from thought. And that’s the great pyramid. The other pyramids are in the area. Uh, other areas around the world, uh, were usually built. By entities that were, uh, in third, third density.

Guy:
That’s incredible. So thought alone. When coming together was able to then build that. That’s what you’re saying. So the, the, the

Jim:
Right,

Guy:
of bringing people together. Well,

Jim:
right. They were all able to contact the creator and channel the creator’s energy and to do that pyramid mentally,

Guy:
That’s incredible. Have you been in there, the great chamber?

Jim:
no, I haven’t, I haven’t.

Guy:
I’ve heard this. Pretty amazing, that’s for sure.

Jim:
Yeah, I’ve heard that too.

Guy:
just going on tangent slightly ’cause I, I’ll bring it back. ’cause I, I’m genuinely very fa curious and fascinated ’cause there’s certain things on my journey as well, um, that open up for me and I’m interested. How did they, uh, Carla, especially when channeling an energy, a frequency like that, how did a body cope with that and was able to hold that, that resonance?

Jim:
Well, uh, there were some difficulties that Carla had, uh, during the raw contact because she, uh, wanted to be of service, so, uh, badly to others. Sometimes she would, uh. Want to have a, a session with RAW when it would not be a good idea. So eventually, uh, RAW said that, uh, that was martyring herself and her energies and it would end the raw contact. So we had to be careful to see that Carla was, uh, physically, mentally, emotionally, but especially physically, uh, more able to be a part of the raw contact and to channel those of raw because she had rheumatoid arthritis from, uh, the time she was 12 years old and that made it, uh. Hard for her body to, uh, be overactive.

And, uh, we always thought that there was a good chance that maybe she had chosen that pre-incarnate to keep from being overactive and concentrate on meditation, contemplation, and channeling.

Guy:
Right. how long was she channeling for per session generally

Jim:
Well, generally the sessions were about an hour long. Uh, some were shorter and some were longer. The longest one, I think was, uh, session 16. It was probably about a hour and three quarters, but about an hour mostly

Guy:
and, and.

Jim:
altogether. Uh, with the 106 sessions, we had, uh, 283,000 words to 2,600 questions that Don asked.

Guy:
Whoa. And how, how over what period of time was all that recorded?

Jim:
Uh, roughly four years.

Guy:
Four years. And then, and then RA ended contact and, and that was, that, was it The teachings are here, or has that contact continued since?

Jim:
No, uh, the raw contact ended, uh, when Don Elkins, uh, passed away. And, uh, raw had always said that, uh, we had to have those three of us together. In order to have the contact with Ross. So when he passed away, there was no more raw contact. But two years after, uh, he passed away, uh, Carla had been channeling, uh, those of Lati, uh, with fifth density. But then on uh, January 12th, 1986, she began channeling a new entity. It was called Quo Q apostrophe UO. And we always thought that that was kind of a way of, uh, them letting us know we, we should ask who they are. And so we did, and they said they were a principle of three different social memory complexes.

Hatan, which Carla started channeling in 74 of Love, the fourth density and Laie of the fifth density, so that she began channeling in 1979 and raw of the sixth density that was in a step down fashion that didn’t require trance, but the answers were not as specific or many layered, but Lattie was the one that gave voice to the quo Channelings and the quo Channelings went on from 1986 until about 2006. Uh, but the other, other entities also, uh, LA and, uh, Hatan and, uh, Monka and, and others that have been channeled over the years, continued channeling, uh, after the Quo was also the channel, but the Quo was the primary channel after that.

Guy:
And I know it’s a, it’s a vague question I’m about to ask, but it kind of, it’ll help lead us dive into a little bit. But how would you, like, for somebody that’s never heard the law of one teachings before, what would be the key kind of overarching concepts that they wanted to get across to us humanity.

Jim:
Well, basically that, uh, we are all the creator because the creator made us all. In order to know itself better. So if we could all become, um, desirous of serving others more than 51% of the time, that we would be able to. Move into the fourth density of love and understanding. But in order to do that, we have to become conscious seekers of truth conscious that such a thing is possible, that we would move away from the consensus reality that says that what we’re here to do is to get a good education, uh, get a good job, make a lot of money, have a good family, be respected in the community, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s more to it.

And we need to be able to become aware that all of that can be used to serve others, and that’s what we need to focus on. And if we do that, then we can all move together. We can point the compass, as Ross said, in service to others and move as a group into the fourth density of love and understanding. But they also said that if we can’t do that, then after three 25,000 year. Minor cycles that come into one 75,000 year major cycle. If we can’t do that in 75,000 years, then we need to choose another third density planet to try again. And because there are so many people here that have been in that position and have been in other planets, third density, and haven’t made the graduation or the harvest, then that is something that is, um.

We have to face that, that there probably won’t be a, a whole, uh, not everybody’s gonna make that choice because it, it gets, uh, harder sometimes after you failed, but eventually everyone would make that choice,

Guy:
Where are,

Jim:
but not on this planet.

Guy:
Wow. Where, where are we on those cycles at the moment then?

Jim:
Ross said they were at the very end of the 75,000 year master cycle.

Guy:
Okay.

Jim:
And that we have, we have between 100 and 700 years left and they couldn’t be more precise because our, uh, people here on earth are too volatile. We have too many little wars and large wars and disagreements and, uh, lack of knowledge of what we’re here to do. So the harvest or the graduation here will probably be a very small one. But they also said in 65 point 12, could your planet polarize positively in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends, it is ever possible, but is not probable.

Guy:
Interesting, You speak of uh, densities and ’cause quite often at the moment we hear a lot of about dimensions that we are moving from the third dimension through the fourth to the fifth dimension and so forth.

Jim:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
densities. I was wondering if you could just clarify all that for us, please.

Jim:
Densities and, uh, dimensions are basically the same thing. Density is a little more specific because it talks about the amount of light that is in each dimension. So there is more light in the fourth, and in the third there’s more light in the fifth and in the fourth and the sixth and the fifth. So the, in the delight of the creator, that is basically what. Everything’s made out of, uh, Ross suggested that the, the creator, or God, whatever the spirit, whatever you want to call it, uh, had the free will to know itself by creating everything around it, all of beings to help it know itself better, and then it focused that free will through its love. Of the creation and making everything out of love.

And then the light that came from it is what came from that light. And, and Don was a physicist, so he said basically what this was, was that there were various angles of rotation of the photon and various speeds of rotation in the various densities. And the higher you went, the more angles and more speed of rotation of the photon. So everything that we have anywhere on this planet is light that is made of photons. It just looks like it’s solid, and I believe that many of our physicists and the scientists have discovered that’s true.

Guy:
Interesting. Yes. No, that is interesting. And just speaking on my own journey, what’s coming to mind as you share that? Is that. I always consider we are all beings of light. Having a physical experience that

Jim:
Right.

Guy:
and the more I, I almost heal my traumas, my wounds, or that energy that stuck. It allows more density of light to embody my physicality, if you like, which is raising my own then personal experience

Jim:
Right. That’s exactly the way it works. As far as we know.

Guy:
Okay. Fascinating. Fascinating. So where are we right now then? Are we in the fourth density earth, the love that you speak of? Or are we kind of moving in that, because it feels like the, the noise is getting louder at the moment out there. It’s

Jim:
Right,

Guy:
it’s almost like before the. Before the slaying or the beast? I kind of think it always wants to, you know, it never, never gives up without a big fight. I mean, that’s what it

Jim:
right.

Guy:
that’s happening

Jim:
Yeah, well, Ross said that the planet itself has been in the fourth density for, uh, since before World War ii. And that as time goes on, more and more people, as they pass away and walk into the light after they drop their bodies, are becoming fourth density entities. So eventually, planet Earth will be a, a population, not just itself being fourth density. There will be a fourth density population here.

Guy:
Interesting. And then how many densities are there, like evolution of us?

Jim:
Well, uh, like I’m saying, the fourth density is the density of love and understanding. The fifth density of wisdom and light, the sixth density, the balance of wisdom and love. And then the seventh density is called the density of foreverness, and that’s where we begin to return to the creator. And in the eighth density, the octave. Everyone and everything becomes the creator once again, because we have always been the creator. But now everything we’ve learned and choices we’ve made, all becomes coalesced into what the scientists see as a black hole. And that black hole then begins again, the entire process, uh, beginning with, uh.

Earth, wind, fire, and water kind of blowing and burning indecently and in a timeless fashion. And then after a while, form takes place and time takes place, and the first density of simple awareness begins. And the second density of plants and animals. It is the next transition. And then our fourth, our third density is, uh, where we have a mind, a body, and a spirit. So, uh, Ross said that, uh, plants and animal and places can be imbued with enough love of the creator. To become third density beings. And they said the most, uh, normal, uh, way that happens is our pets, uh, our second density, uh, cats and dogs or whatever you have, have. If we can get a bond of love with our love loving them and them loving us, then that awakens their spirit complex and in when they pass into larger life, then they become a third density being. At the lowest level of third density, which has a mind, a body, and a spirit.

Guy:
What’s coming to me is those densities, are they like musical octaves, you know when you work through the notes and then you get to the end of the note and then you just literally start a new octave.

Jim:
That’s exactly it, and this apparently has been going on forever and will continue going on forever.

Guy:
So what RAs teaches is, I’m just trying to get it straight in my own mind then, is that we, while we are here, we are actually working through these densities. That’s our evolution, our growth,

Jim:
Right,

Guy:
we go through the cycle begins again, but at a higher octave.

Jim:
right, right. That’s exactly it.

Guy:
moly. It starts to blow your mind, isn’t it? So could that, could that be a. On another planet or another space or another, you know, it could, could be anywhere.

Jim:
could be. You know, it, it’s our choices, uh, every time that we, uh, leave our bodies. And, uh, go back to, uh, the other side. Uh, there, there’s a Ross said, there’s a veil of forgetting that keeps us from knowing all of this, what I’m talking about. And that veil of forgetting is between the conscious and subconscious mind. And they discovered years ago, thousands and years ago, that that was a way that people could, uh, actually discover more about themselves because there’s, there’s this little knowing in each soul that, uh, of the broader point of view of the, uh, everything is one, the creator made it all, and we’re all part of the creator.

And that little bit of knowing then gives us a chance to make that choice of service to others or service to self. Ross said the service to self was a path that was good, uh, a as through the fifth density and the beginning of the sixth density. But at the beginning of the sixth density negative entities who only want to serve themselves and control others realized through their wisdom that they can’t go any farther because the creator is not only them, but everyone they’ve tried to control and they have to reverse their polarity, and they can do that.

Because as Ross said, the creator blinks neither at the light nor the dark because all is the creator. The positive and the negative. So making a choice one way or the other is a way of traveling, but the negative path can only get into the beginning of the six density, then it must become positive. Then after the middle of the six density, the concept of polarity, a positive or negative, is no longer used. It’s a tool to get us where we want to go, which is unity with the one creator.

Guy:
Okay. There’s a lot in that. So the right, wrong, good, bad, up, down, left, right? All the polarities, hot,

Jim:
Yeah. Right,

Guy:
We are not identified with ’em anymore.

Jim:
right. Yep. We give it all up. It’s just a tool to get where we want to go ago.

Guy:
What? What happens when we reach unity then Do you know? Do we just not

Jim:
Well.

Guy:
Are we part of the largest system?

Jim:
Yeah, we, well, everything becomes the creator once again. There is no difference. We are the creator and we begin the whole process again. Uh, another octave, it’s another way for the creator to continue knowing itself infinitely. And it’s apparently been going on infinitely before and now infinitely afterwards as well.

Guy:
Sorry. Sorry to hit you all these questions because it’s, I’m just fascinated about what you’re speaking about. So like when, when we speak of Rah and you, you mentioned he’d be in the fourth of his density, but is that then on a different octave, hence why he is had a different vibration, hence why he’s not in our reality at present, is that how it’d be working?

Jim:
raw is a social member complex that, uh, began on Venus and, uh, in their third density there were 38 million entities. On Earth. Now we’ve got somewhere around 8 billion. So after the chance of the graduation came only, uh, 6.5 million of those 38 million decided to be positively oriented. The others did not make a choice. So RAW is a social member complex of 6.5 million entities, but we were told that when we were speaking with one. Uh, entity. We were speaking with the whole group because they’re all telepathically communicate with each other. They’re one. That’s the law of one.

Guy:
Holy moly. When, uh, what would you say to someone here then in terms of, because we’re so conditioned to think of ourselves. And,

Jim:
Yeah.

Guy:
and you know, we are, we’re conditioned to be fearful never to have enough money, never to have enough space. Like, ’cause you know, the, the media constantly project everything is a threat we’re always on fight or flight. And, and it, and we’re behaving not in our innate, I, I believe, which is our innate space, which is our heart and our love and care and compassion and share and, the, the we. Right? So. What would you say to people that, or why would we want to move then into a of that space of care? Because in my own journey, I was so self-absorbed with my own shit, per se, in a commerce.

I didn’t look outside of myself, but it wasn’t until my heart started opening and I started to. Get this concept that then my life radically changed, but I had to almost go through my, like a, a, a real steady squeeze of life to actually allow me to then be rebirth myself, if you like out the other side. Do you know what I mean?

Jim:
Yes. Uh, Ross suggested that the difficulties that we have, that fear separation confusion is what they called catalyst. And catalyst is something we can use as food for growth if we are aware that we can do that. If we’re conscious seekers of truth, you might say, because Catalyst asks the, we change from time to time and change is difficult, and you need to know that change is what you’re here to do. You hear it as Carla said, to uh, move the, uh, 14 inches from your intellect of your mind to your heart of love. And that requires a great deal of change and it goes through stages. All those things that you mentioned. Everything that is hard and difficult and confusing. Uh, we can, if we are conscious secrets of truth and realize this is how we grow, this is how we grow, we use it.

Guy:
How do, how do we for people accelerate that process? Then? What are the, the kind of key steps to go, you know, that I want to be living more like that.

Jim:
Yeah, well, RAW gave us what they call balancing exercises. So it requires us to use meditation at the end of the day, and that we look back at the end of the day in our meditative state and see what difficulties we faced and what things caused us a problem, and we look at them as an opportunity to grow. And the way we do that is that we amplify them. We make them larger than they were, and then when they’re really large, we just, for the moment, we image the opposite. So if it’s fear, then we would image, um, not fear or comfort, and we get let it get big by itself until it’s as big as the fear. And then we accept ourselves for having both of those ways for us to know ourselves and for the creator to know, uh, itself and for us to know the creator.

So once we continue, this is a lifelong process. So as we go along doing this, we become more and more the creator. The creator is everything. Everything that is positive, everything that is negative, everything that we have experienced is positive. Everything we experience is negative and we become a 360 degree being, we become the creator in small way. And this balancing process, like I say, is a lifelong process of using that catalyst as food for growth. Using the balancing exercise, patience, impatience, love, fear, so on.

Guy:
Hmm. totally. How has this work affected your life, Jim, over the years?

Jim:
Well, it’s, uh, given me a larger point of view so that I can see that everyone around me is the creator. It doesn’t matter what their political philosophy is, what their social philosophy is, what they think about anything else. They’re the creator. And that comes first. And that’s, if I can see everyone as the creator, then I can love them. And that that is also loving myself because we are all one. We are all the same. And whatever we do in consensus reality is what the creator would like to have as do, because it helps it to know itself too. So it’s helped me see the creator everywhere around me, and to see that first.

Guy:
That removes the judgment and the condition in mind

Jim:
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. And what would you, I I mean, you, it could be the answer you’ve already given, but for people that are feeling helpless. ’cause I think when we look at the world today and the problems that are, I guess being projected at us, uh, you know, I think my, my belief system is. More good things going on in the planet than bad things. It’s just, we don’t hear about it because we get projected a very biased view of what’s happening. right now. Um, but what would you say to people that might feel like they’re not contributing or can’t help? Because these problems feel so big, they feel so ginormous, and it’s like, well, what can I do about that? I’m just here in my, my house, you know, managing the kids gonna work and, and I’m, I’m just gonna. Keep my head down and just hope it goes away.

Jim:
Yeah, well, what, uh, rah and the Confederation of Planets and the service of the infant, the creator have always said, the greatest tool we have is meditation. That uh, not only can we use it at the end of the day to, uh, balance our problems and difficulties and grow from them, but we can send love and light to everyone who is having difficulties and that love and light will get there. And that can be used by people if they are. Uh, open to such things coming their way. Uh, so if we send love and light, uh, we’re doing everything we can to help the planet, to help its people, to grow and to, uh, move through the difficulties. You know, whatever war, whatever disease, whatever natural disaster.

Uh, if we pray and meditate, then we’re doing everything that we can do on a spiritual level, and that is the level where things can change the most.

Guy:
Hmm. Yeah. And are you, do you still challenge him yourself personally now and Yes.

Jim:
Yes, we have a, a group, uh, here, uh, in Louisville that, uh, some of my, uh, fellow, uh, l and l research, uh, folks are, there’s four of us that are channeling. We, we was channeling those a quo now, and, uh, we have, uh, meetings on the second and fourth Saturday of the month from September through May. We take a little break around Christmas time.

Guy:
Yeah. Fantastic. And do, do you make them available for people? Can they, like, do you teach or I’ll just find out about your work a bit for, for other listeners. ’cause I know they’ll be asking the questions.

Jim:
Um, my, my living room can only hold 15 people. So we have a Trisha Bean is the one who has the, um. You can send her an email at contact at a research org and asked if there are, uh, seats available. And if there are, then you can say, uh. Uh, she can let you know where they are and then, uh, you can have a seat reserved for you. So there could be 11, uh, people here. If all of our four of us, uh, not all the time are four of us here, there are other times where some reason keeps someone from being here. But basically, uh, 11 people, uh, each, uh, second and fourth Saturday of the month, September through May, uh, can join us and they can ask questions. And those of Quo will, uh, channel through each of the th uh, four or two or three instruments, uh, the answers to the questions.

Guy:
And, um, just before I wrap up the podcast, has there been any messages that have been coming through of recent that are, that are, are relevant for our time right now? On, on the planet of who you’re channeling Quo?

Jim:
Usually people aren’t asking questions about what’s happening in the world around them and the problems of the planet. They’re asking personal questions about their own journeys and, uh, so we haven’t had any information, you know, about the, the consensus reality.

Guy:
Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. And, um, any question for you with Ev, we’ve covered quite a bit of ground today, uh, or I’ve tried to anyway, the best to the best of my ability. Um, but is there anything you wanna leave the listeners to ponder on before we finish Jim?

Jim:
Well, I’d like to let you know that if you go to our website, www.llresearch.org, all of the information there, all of the books, all the challengings ever been done. Are available for free in PDF downloads.

Guy:
That’s very kind. I’ll make sure the links will be below in the show notes anyway, and, uh, just wanna say thanks for, for coming on the show and giving me your time. I, I didn’t know a lot of the Lord of one teachings, but I, I certainly. Uh, uh, appreciate you letting me just hit you up with as many questions as I can over the, the last hour and, uh, I, it got me pondering, that’s for sure. I, I’ll, I’ll be diving into them and looking a bit closer.

Jim:
Well, you asked a lot of great questions and I really appreciate it. I always love talking about the law of one, and, uh, thank you for all your questions and the, the honor of being on your show and talking to your, your audience.

Guy:
welcome, Jim. Thanks so much, mate. Thank you.