Please note, this is an automated transcript so it is not 100% accurate.

Jeff: The Earth is a time machine. It really is. When you get past astrology and you start synthesizing into what does it mean to the soul, it’s a time machine. The time at which we drew first breath, the patterns are set in there and they release. See, Saturn is the funnel into time and space, and it connects our soul roots.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my podcast. My epic guest today is Jeff Harman. And boy, what On a podcast. This goes Deep Brace Yourself. Jeff has been studying, uh, astrology for almost five decades, 50 years, and soon as he was on, he was like, bang. He was, he was off. And we get into. Ancient wisdom, consciousness, karma time itself, and also the cycles, the macro and micro that are quietly kind of going on in the background. And he also did a reading of me and off the cuff. Online live as we were going as well, and I really wanted to ensure that while he was doing the reading of me, that is relevant for the viewers as well. So I kept it as broad as I can because obviously this podcast isn’t about me, it’s about all of us, right?

It’s the we in general. It’s mind blowing. Let me know what you think. If you listening to it in audio, you’ll get a lot out of it. But he does share his screen and he uses different imagery. So I’d encourage you to come across to my YouTube channel. To watch this as well so you can really absorb the information he’s saying. And of course, if you are on YouTube, please let me know where you are in the world. It’s always great connecting and hit the subscribe, like continuing to get this conversations out there. I dunno. Any other way, just turn up, have these conversations and, and keep rocking it out. I’ve just come back from Melbourne, a one day event.

We was rocking it up and down the country of Australia and New Zealand throughout the year. We’re gonna be in Bali in uh, end of June. So wherever you are, come join us for five days. Mastering in a mystic. It is incredible. And you will be connecting with like-minded souls as well. And we are discussing about getting out there to the US of a as well later in the year. But we’ll see. Who knows? Reach out. Anyway, much love from me. Enjoy this podcast with Jeff. It’s awesome.

Guy:
Jeff, welcome to the podcast, my man.

Jeff:
All right, well thanks for having me, guy.

Guy:
Mate, you are a bowl of energy. We’ve, I’ve just been watching you go five, 10 minutes before we hit record. Uh, it’s fabulous

Jeff:
it’s the coffee. See, I, I have a hundred mile coffee. We, we don’t blink for a hundred miles. It’s, it’s good espresso.

Guy:
Well, I’m actually looking forward to getting into my chart as well, but we’ll, we’ll touch on that in a minute. But just for the listeners, I love to start it this way, the podcast, if you are at an intimate dinner party, you sit next to a complete stranger and they say, what do you do for a living? How would you answer?

Jeff:
Well, um, that’s, that’s an interesting thing. I, because I’m actually very private about what I do, and yet, you know, a lot of people know me from the podcast and many different shows on coast to coast. So, so many different places. But, um, I, you know, I just like to help people. And what’s it’s interesting is how I got into it, uh, this whole spiritual journey. ’cause I, I don’t just call myself an astrologer. I, I do use astrology and I do it a lot. Uh, I’ve been doing it almost 50 years now. I started in 1975. My mother was the one who got me into it. Um, at that time my father owned a logging company in northern Wisconsin, very near the Canadian border. And, you know, I was doing all kinds of stuff, you know, guy stuff, you know, motorcycles, horses, you know, driving semis, all that stuff.

It was a lot of fun. And, um. What ultimately ended up happening is I got my driver’s license and my mother would peg my girlfriends to the t like to the T And I’m like, wait a minute. This is not mother’s intuition. I said, you, you’re, you’re doing something here that, that’s really interesting. And she says, yeah, I got their charts. And I said, well, what do you mean you got their charts? She said, well, I have their astrology. And I said, well, I said, come on, that stuff doesn’t work. You know, you, we always heard the old metaphor, you know, it’s work of the devil from the religions, right? And the second one you hear is, uh, the doctor in the delivery room has more gravity than Saturn.

Right? So, you know, I, I was skeptical and she started showing me stuff that was just way beyond chance. I’m like, okay, this is interesting. And, you know, I’ve always been of a bit of a scientific mind. I’ve always appreciated and respected the sciences. And, uh, I, I started delving into it and it really caught my eye and my attention. And then as time went on, I got into. Uh, in the late seventies, early eighties, I had a studio, a recording studio. We did all kinds of video and industrial films and 16 millimeter and for different companies, you know, training films. And then we did a lot of commercials and musical stuff, a lot of fun. And I got hired by a number of different very large religious organizations to, and I ended up filming a lot of people from Rome, theologians and Jesuits and all this different stuff.

And then I also did a lot of stuff in the rabbinical areas, so. I, I, ironically, the universe just brought me towards, you know, I love your t-shirt. It says, trust me, I’m, I’m doing what the universe says, right? I love your t-shirt. But, um, that’s kind of what happened to me is I got swept into this path. Even though I had this linear left brain trajectory through my life, I got swept into this path of spirituality, religion, and astrology. And it really started kicking for me in the early eighties because. I I ran into a number of different, you know, in the early eighties, you gotta remember that was kind of right as we were transitioning from BC to, you know, computer era, right? And, um, I remember my mother and I, we’d always cast charts by hand.

We take out the piece of paper and draw the chart, you know, and color in all the planets from the ephemeral. And, uh, that was the old way of doing it. And, uh, then computers came along in the late seventies, right around 77, something like that. 78 we had the Commodore 60 fours, one 20 eights. You know, we thought we were cool ’cause we could actually cash charts with a computer with a great deal of accuracy. And, um, and then in the early eighties, I started. Getting around a lot of very interesting people, particularly Robert Hand, the people at Astro Lab. Um, they were designing computer programs. This was right at the frontier of when, you know, bits were being twiddled to make astrology programs work. And, uh, boy, I’ll tell you, they’ve come a long way now and, um, you know, it, it gives me great respect for the ancient astrologers.

So what was fun is I also, not only was learning astrology, but I was exposed to a lot of people who were doing translations out of the ancient Hebrew, out of, uh, Coptic. Um, particularly Latin too. A lot of stuff was put in Latin and Arabic. And uh, then I started in the late eighties getting around Vedic astrology, which really intrigued me because. That really is, is not just astrology. In fact, most people in the western world have heard of Vedic astrology. Everybody says I’m a Vedic astrologer. But it’s so much more than just astrology. It’s called Jo Tisha, which means the science of the light of the soul. And it truly, truly is. So now you broaden into this whole who are we and what are we doing here?

And you know, what is life all about? Um, from a perspective of not only astrology, but the spiritual journey of it. And that does factor in free will and so many other fascinating, fascinating things. And that’s what really intrigued me. And I’d also, uh, been exposed to a lot of people doing many diverse things in spiritual and paranormal research, which was very, very interesting to me. So that’s, you know, I don’t know what I do. I just try and help people.

Guy:
Wow.

Jeff:
That’s, that’s, leave that one.

Guy:
That really resonated me when you said that, that with the Vedic astrology and the light of the soul, that feels like It’s, starting to tie in things together. But the, the thing that, the, the thing that strikes me when you were explaining all that was that, how did we learn this? Is it like we sat in a hilltop like thousands of years ago and started looking at the stars? To me, that seems so far fetched, especially if we’re evolving as humanity and evolution and our, you know, our brains are expanding or whatever it might be. So where does this information come from?

Jeff:
Well, that’s a really intelligent and good question. Um, if I may, I’m gonna just share my screen here for just a minute, which might help me visually explain this a bit more. Um, what’s interesting Is many people have heard of something known as the, and what’s interesting about this, the yugas are of course timings and there’s a lot of, lot of lo on this. In fact, let me see, get this other diagram up. Am I still coming through? Good. The internet good?

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah, it’s here.

Jeff:
Okay, good. So this, you know, many people will talk about tropical astrology, which is really based on the equinoxes and solstice. Now what’s interesting is up here in the northern hemisphere, we’re going to the winter solstice. You down below are going to your summer solstice. You see? So, and these are critical times of the year. So we have the spring equinox, we have the summer solstice, we have the fall equinox, and we have the winter solstice.

And that is what the tropical Zodiac is based upon. Well, not to get too far off track here, the interesting thing about all of this is that when, when we really start examining time, it’s an illusion. The earth is a time machine. And when we look at the sed. Zodiac is this one out here. See, they say we go around a central sun somewhere between 25,900 years or 25,700 many different astrologers will come at you. Complex calculations. My opinion is no one exactly knows. I don’t exactly know, but it is somewhere. It appears to be between 25,700 and 900. Some people even round it to 24,000 years. So the bottom line is that’s known as the procession of the equinoxes. This is why if you get a Joe Ti or Vedic astrology reading, you’re likely to find your sun sign could be different and it definitely will be back 24 degrees.

Usually the ascendant moon and all the planets will ratchet back just short of 24 degrees and it’s constantly moving. Every 72 years, we e one degree forward. That’s why it takes 26,000 years to go around this massive circle. And why I bring that up is because Joe Tisha is really the looksie at. And what’s interesting, you can see this is a plate on Bad Gava Gita and Joe Tia is the real name of DIC astrology, and there’s many branches of that. You have Naty astrology. Many people have heard of the N palm leaves. You also have Maharishi Par Shara’s methods. Maharishi Gini, just to name a few. In fact, the rabbit hole goes so deep. But the principles are looking at this white etheric energy, which is the journey of the soul through the incarnations.

And yes, this also happens to females as well. So what’s interesting is it’s looking at the journey of the soul, and one of my favorite diagrams to jump into is this one right here. All of us have some belief in spirituality, God, you know, light in the sky, whatever you wanna call it, and of course, is depicted in this diagram. Way, way up here. God, divinity is above creation and most spirit practices will tell you that the light of divinity is so strong that it actually has to be dimmed down through these so-called lenses to even get into creation. And they say our soul. He’s created way, way, way, way, way up here. This is again, there’s no astrology up here too, by the way. Um, this is what they call the world’s of absolute, that’s an Aramaic term that just means it’s very divine, and they claim there could be 49 dimensions and 49 sub sub-dimensions up here. And,

Guy:
sorry, sorry to jump in for a sec. Is that like beyond the universe then? When, when you say there’s no astrology there?

Jeff:
Es, yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. Okay. And, and I’m so glad you brought that up because watch, if we zoom out, this big thick dashed line is where the multiverses would be in, you know, if you talk to, uh, quantum physicist or anyone, I used to teach a physics class. I was no great physicist, but I, I did teach a class on physics at a college for a short while and I really enjoyed it. ’cause I realized real quick. We don’t know too much. You know, when you think about it, we don’t even know what energy is and we don’t. Now all the geniuses will jump in and say, oh yes, we know we can release it through atomic energy, electrical energy, heat kinetics, all fine. That doesn’t define even what energy is.

Energy is truly divine magic when you think about it because yes, we can release it through a gallon of gasoline or diesel fuel or turning a a, a conductor in a magnetic field, right? See electricity, all that stuff. We can release it. We release it by eating food. The body extracts the energy, the etheric energy out of our foods, and then magically through all the organs and glandular systems of the magic of the body gives us energy, right? And that’s why we sleep for it. So energy is undefinable, in my opinion. And I’ve talked to a lot of really smart people about this who have also said, we don’t know what energy in bio health is the only thing you could say. It’s divinity. Well, I, I, I like you brought that up, is because these two, which you could say very upper divine heavens are above the material worlds.

If anybody listening has ever heard of a, a text, it’s quite profound. It’s called the ser, yet sirrah, which is a arame Hebrew word right there, rah means. Formation. It is where atomic matter and even beyond that forms into concretized material form. And that’s a deep subject because. Here we sit on planet Earth. You know, we all have these garments we call bodies, right? They actually say the mother forms a garment for the genetic journey of the soul in womb and does it for animals too. Right? See, it’s really interesting. Even the womb of the earth, it creates a garment for them to genetically go forward and experience time and space.

So we’re just saying it’s the yet satic worlds. It’s talked about in the s is literally where matter. Spirit coalesces in the matter is the better way to say it. And this is the so-called multiverses. They actually claim there could be 49 parallel universes and 49 sub dimensions in each one of these. So this is deep stuff, but it, it literally says the soul is created way up here way above any quote unquote astrology that I would know about or anyone else that I’ve heard of. Um, and. The soul kind of dies off the board, if you will, down into creations. And I say that plu because there may be. Infinite amount of plants similar to earth at higher or lower levels. If it’s true that there’s 49 parallel universes and four sub dimensions, I mean, I can’t balance my checkbook, let alone, you know, totally fathom that when you think about it.

And, but this is the material world. So this is where the amino acids and the gas clouds, if anyone has seen the pictures of the, uh, the web telescope, it’s stunning. It’s breathtaking. I mean the, the way and the colors that are in the universe and the resolutions that they’re now getting with these telescopes, it’s beyond. It’s beyond comprehension how complex creation is. Well, it’s interesting to keep this simple. They actually say, an angel fishes us out. Of wherever the souls resides and ties it to mom’s womb at conception, not at birth. The Egyptians spent a lot of time looking at called conception charts, so we literally get to mom’s womb at conception and the period of gestation, which for most people’s nine months, right?

Give or take. A little less, a little more. These are preemies. Some babies are later. Right. So when we exit the, and the child enters the air of the world and takes that first breath into its lungs, that’s when the astrology locks in. That’s when time and space begins for the duration of the life. Now, here’s interesting is astrology enters in the imprint at the time that that child draws first breath. The celestial influences become the birth chart frozen in time, almost like a, a picture, you know, like a snapshot, like a Polaroid snapshot if anybody remembers those. And, uh, that is magical because. All the celestial influences from that point forward move in what we call progressions and transits and das and time.

I always say God created time, so everything wouldn’t happen at once and time. Like you’ll get around a lot of the yogis in India. They’ll tell you, oh, the whole physical worlds and illusion, right? And I always drop a book on your foot. Call me the first of the month. Really an illusion. Health issues or legal issues and financial issues, it’s very real, but they’re actually right. ’cause when we exit these bodies known as death, or you could say transition, that’s when time stop stops. But consciousness, and I think many of the ancient religions were very good at identifying that. A lot of the modern ones, not so much they, they do, but not like the ancient ones. Did you read the stuff like the TMA boda, the Vedic text, the ancient rabbinical texts, and I will say I’ll defend spiritual or scientific Christianity does as well. So profound stuff. Profound stuff. It’s looking at who are we as spiritual beings. Having this physical experience

Guy:
that, that’s amazing. Uh, sorry to jump in again. I just, um, so, so I kind of jumping along, looking at that chart from top to bottom where you got the earth plane to, to God, you know, all the way through, right. So let, let’s take our soul or my soul for, in this particular case. Is that then experiencing all those levels at the same time? Or is it, well, that’s a good

Jeff:
question. I, I personally think, yes, um, but not consciously. Hmm, though some can consciously see. Now you get down into the rabbit hole. There’s an ancient lens and it’s in a text called the Book of Legends. It’s called the Ser Haga. And what’s interesting about that is they see the angel in the womb makes a mark. It’s right there beneath our nose and our upper lip that knocks us out. It literally knocks the, the brain out. The, the lower conscious mind is actually something called an attenuator by certain psychologists and paranormal researchers, and I agree with that.

The, our lower conscious mind, even in the womb, is getting wired to the physical body. The, uh, the third eye chakra is kind of the portal up. Talk. This is why they’ve gone outta their way to spray us with chemtrails, barium, uh, you know, sulfur dioxide and all the crap and fluoride in the water. All these things and food additives. It’s almost like a demonic forest trying to keep us stupid. Not to get into conspiracy, conspiracy theories, but, uh, there’s overwhelming evidence and many doctrines will tell you that’s the case. Calcification of the pineal gland is like taking your antenna and dampening it down. It’s, it’s the antenna.

No. No, no one drawing breath can tell us why. Does out-of-body experiences happen, nds, near death experiences, et cetera, et cetera. Um, astral travel, right? Or what we call ghosts, which is dis incarnate souls. Really? How does that stuff happen? Well, consciousness is not localized to the brain. And what’s interesting about that is that proof of that is astral travel, near death experiences, out of body experiences, and of course, well coming back, quote, quote from the dead, or you could say from the other side, indicating very profound things. So this was known in many of the ancient texts. I think it’s been stomped out by dogmatic religion, not all religions, but dogmatic ones. And I won’t mention names, but, but, um, the bottom line is the. Jupiter chakra, which is also known as the third eye chakra, is what’s wired right here. And we might see with these things, but we project and we intuit through the third eye chakra.

Notice the crown chakra goes down through all the chakras of the body. This is profound. So astrology and when we’re in the womb, we’re just getting wired to this lower conscious mind. And when you look at some of, you know, ideas, it, it’s really quite profound because, you know, one of my other favorite diagrams if, uh, the computer’s a little bit slow here, um, I’m not locking up, am I?

Guy:
No, no, it’s okay. I think it’s ’cause you’re in high rise, but that’s fine.

Jeff:
Oh. Oh, well I can, I can get that in front of the low risk, but, um, yeah, we’ll change that in a minute. It’s just diagram here. Is the next layer down. See this big thick dash line here? It is kind of the between the so-called subconscious, which might be much more broadly explained like Dr. Carl Young said. Who was the psychiatrist who worked with Freud, who very much got into astrology and esoteric practices. He said that the upper layers of the soul are blocked by the lower physical world. See, and time and space, and the denseness of this physical plane is very much we have to pay, pay attention to, right?

You can’t drive a car if you don’t pay attention to what you’re doing, and you can’t walk across the room. Right, so we have to pay attention to these lower realms. But what’s interesting is we also have to realize how blocked we are this, and notice Saturn is the cross over the crescent of the moon. See that right there And is like a portal outside of and space. This is why all your great. Astrologers knew that Saturn was really the timekeeper. It was the our hand on the clock of life. And it really is. And all the glyphs of these planets come from the sun, which is the portal to the upper heavens. All the stars are, in my opinion, the moon, which is the crude bowl, and the cross, which is the physical time space canoe of what we call earth.

You see, so it is very real. All the rest of the lists of the planets come from the ations of the portal of the sun, the crescent and crucible of the moon and the crosses is where spirit manifests, and this is why astrology has such efficacy. It’s because it’s really modulating on each one of us in time and space, the releasement and the unfoldment of Carmac time. Space experience, and we do have free will in my opinion. I really do believe that, because if we didn’t have free will we, you know, we might as well destroy. So you have free will. That’s why meditation, prayer, aspirations and miracles do happen. It’s just a lot of us don’t feel like they do, especially instantaneously because we’re.

Also in the vector, the karma that the astrology shows the earth is a grounding rod. It really is. If anyone’s familiar with, um, you’ve probably heard me, if you ever noticed, you look at a, an electrician who’s working with high voltage, they were these big, huge gloves. That’s to isolate them from ground. Of the voltage and karma works very similar to that. Physical body is like a conduit to the physical time space continuum and the astrology comports that and our conscience. So earth is like a grounding rod to cure the soul. This is really stuff and it’s fun stuff. There is it that is mind blowing that actually identifies this very elegantly.

It’s known as the Shaar ha Gil and I mention this text a lot on my podcast because Shara or Shaar actually means gait. This’ll take a minute. The computer’s slow. We’ll, we’ll change this resolution here in a minute, but you can see here this is the text right here. So, um. Shire or shahar is an Arabic word that means Kate, how Gil gum is cycling of the soul. And this actually means how the lower conscious mind is not us. It is an interface. We think our perception of reality is us. It is not, and this is where astrology really tends to come in and see how I showed you that big thick dash line before between so-called subconscious. And consciousness, but there’s another one down here, and this is the lower, what we call emotional body or emotional mind.

This is the one that reformed, when we’re born, it’s our emotional exception of reality. They refer to the moon as the mans of the mind. Mans is a strange word. It just meets traits. Or tendencies of the mind, and it’s profound because the moon is, I don’t care how smart any of us try to be. I can certainly speak for myself here when we get trauma in our life or experience, always take logic and reason and we end up emotionalizing it, right? Yeah. This is why many tranquilizers get sold. People drink, they do drugs or whatever. Quell the emotional responses in pain. Wrong way to do it in my opinion. But, um, you know, if we try and rationalize this, if you go to a psychologist or psychologist thing they’ll do is try and get you to analyze your emotional reaction to something, right?

So this is what’s interesting about astrology and all of this. Spirituality is his all. Our perception of conscious reaction and it that’s in my opinion, and as can give us a wonderful. ability to kind of understand that. Here, I’m gonna change that resolution so we don’t keep having, uh, this, this delay here. Uh, let me see if I can do it. I don’t know if it’ll do it while

Guy:
I probably won’t do it while you’re recording.

Jeff:
yeah, it probably won’t. Yeah. All right. Well, we’ll deal with, it’s not that bad, you know, long as I’m not breaking up.

Guy:
Yeah. There’s a, can I, can I jump in? There’s a few things there. Um. So of, a couple of things like I, I’ll just use myself as a reference point for a minute, just so we can log just to for the listeners as well. Like on those charts that you showed me as well, where the, the, the thick, uh, line was coming across with the subconscious. You know, that, that, and, uh, it’s almost like there’s a part of us that’s an interface within us that’s actually. Allowing us to bring the soul self into this experience. But we are then imposing our perceptions upon our emotional body that’s actually marinated into ourselves, the traumas and everything.

And that becomes a lens of reality, that’s what I’m seeing right there. Now, what I’ve found fascinating on my own kind of spiritual path and journey and awakening is that it’s almost like my body, as I started waking up, my body wasn’t prepared for those higher frequencies and vibrations. It feels like a vessel. And know, when you spoke about the pineal gland and calcification, all those things resonate in a big way because I’ve felt my body adapt over the years and clear out and purge through that to be able to hold higher levels of resonance in over time. And that’s why. So I’m so fascinated with those things and, and how you’re framing it. So there’s two questions I have for you with that knowledge. Then is one is then for, and this is for all the listeners as well, but how would I take that? So like you said, you did, we glanced to my astrological chart, right? So it’s like how does that start to fit into my conscious awareness and what you start doing with that information to help me evolve my spiritual path even more.

Jeff:
Yeah. One, one of the things that I love to look at is the journey of the soul through the Vedic astrology. You could see it in a number of ways. Yeah. You and I just cast your chart just prior to getting online, so I really haven’t had any time to look at it. But I did glance at a couple of things and you were telling me how several years ago you had this really awakening kundalini, you got outta your business, you started doing what you’re doing, workshops and retreats.

Well, it’s interesting. If we go back here, I’m gonna share again. Um, let me see if I can’t get this here going. And let’s, let’s just take a second and look at your Vedic astrology. Now again, Vedic astrology is a bit of a pop term. This is your chart. You don’t mind Showing this on air, right?

Guy:
No mate. I’m open book.

Jeff:
So, so what’s going on is, this is your chart and I have everything right. 12 1 74 at uh, 3 24. I rectified your chart from 3 25 to 3 24 38. Um,

Guy:
yep.

Jeff:
So be 15 24 3. And I was measuring when, when did you take first breath? I’m certainly not God and I’m never gonna be, but maybe a piece of it. But, um, I, I got a big good hit on that. So, um, man, you were born United Kingdom. So what we just did when we cast this chart is literally placed him at the longitudinal latitude of where he was born at that minute and second plus the time. And of course, the month a year, and the computer focuses where the Eastern horizon is.

You see, you were born right when the Cerial Easter. That’s what the a SC means there. That means you were born in the third degree of Cerial Paris. And you might say, okay, great, Jeff, what does that mean? Well, if we had a time machine and we went back to the month year, he was born exactly at that minute, second at that longitudinal latitude and shot a laser out the deep space, this would’ve been the Cerial Eastern Horizon. And this is profound stuff because what it’s really doing is a lot of people like to say, oh. I am, you know, a, a Libra, or I’m a Scorpio, or I’m a sag. Right. See, they’re probably gonna tell you you’re a sag in, uh, western tropical astrology. Now this is western tropical chart. We did get a chance to cast that, so take a second to come up.

But yeah, you are, your son is back in Sagittarius at nine degrees. Your rising would be 26 degrees, uh, tar rising, and your moon’s at. 5 22 of um, of cancer in the Vedic astrology is totally different. It moves back in chenai and you have, uh, two degrees tarus rising, not 26, and your sun is back in Scorpio. See this little sun signs stuff? Really screwed up astrology. Um, this was the hey baby Witcher sun sign stuff that came around in the sixties. Right. And, uh, I remember that too ’cause I was around in the sixties and, uh, it, it’s just love like, and cluelessness in my opinion. It’s, it certainly has some efficacy for sure, but.

It’s not you. It’s, it’s a part of the energies that some people might exhibit. Some people find their tropical sun. Signs are, I find the cerial is very accurate in in the Tree of the Soul. And what’s interesting, see there is another. Very secret astrology, and it’s called the 27 Lunar mansions that surround the Earth. Believe it or not, the Egyptians and the Chaldeans used 28. So they come up here for some reason. Um, yeah, not coming up, but, uh, anyways, it’s probably here somewhere. Um. Yeah, no, it’s, it’s not opening. So anyways, you might be able to see it over here. It’s really small on the screen, but, um, yeah, for some reason the, uh, computer’s not got the horsepower here to open at resolutions where we’re at.

So it’ll probably all open up here in a few minutes, but trust me, that’s what causes the, um. The time factors in Vedic astrology happen and they’re known. Uh, yeah. See, it’s the computer’s trying to come up. Am I locking it up at all?

Guy:
Uh, it’s still got the same screen on it.

Jeff:
Well, but at least my audio is good. Okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah. So yeah, the, the computer’s having audio. That’s okay. At this resolution. So anyways, you, when, when did, did you find this real epiphany started for you right around, oh, probably 2000 15, 16, 17, something like that. About 2018 actually, is what I get.

Guy:
Yeah. The major shifts started accelerating 15, 16, 17, and 18. You know that’s

Jeff:
Sure.

Guy:
Prior to that, there was still an exploration for many years, but it, it was still coming more from the mental, not from the, the direct experience, you know, reading the books, listening to, you know, just like your father was a

Jeff:
very interesting man. What did your dad do? I really like him. He’s, he had a temper, but he was an interesting guy.

Guy:
What did he do? My dad, my dad was a bit of, a bit of all sorts really. He ended up just being a, a truck driver. At At driver, yeah. But very talented

Jeff:
guy in a lot of ways.

Guy:
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Jeff:
Yeah.

Guy:
I can, yeah.

Jeff:
Mark, is he still around?

Guy:
No, no. He passed away. Passed away.

Jeff:
When did he pass?

Guy:
2000 and, uh, 12.

Jeff:
2012. Yeah. Yeah. See at beginning of all the changes for you. Yeah. The the interesting thing is, um, yeah, see, and your mom, she really life oof, man. What happened with her?

Guy:
Yeah, my mom’s very loving. She’s still with us. She’s, you know,

Jeff:
yeah, she’s

Guy:
good

Jeff:
lady. But she’s, she’s not at an easy time though.

Guy:
No, no, no. And I think, honestly, growing up in Wales, I didn’t either like it It is, it’s, yeah, it’s tough. It’s, it’s, there’s no doubt about Yeah,

Jeff:
well, it’s not on her. She, she did not get much emotional support in her life at all. And uh, it’s pretty growing up is what it shows. I’m getting this. The moon is the mother. Notice the moon be seized between K two, the Eclipse Point and Saturn and the father. Very dynamic guy. See, he, he was blocked too, but he is still very dynamic guy, very talented. But he could fix anything, couldn’t he?

Guy:
Yeah, he loved to tinker, that’s

Jeff:
for sure. Yeah. You mad. He was a tinkerer. No, very talented guy. And your mom was a really sweet lady. She’s very intelligent. Um, but I, I would say she had a rough go of it, you know, it wasn’t, wasn’t particularly easy for her, you know, so, yeah. Fascinating. See? Yeah. You moved into a period here, uh, it’s called a mercury dog in 2021 forward, your life has been just absolutely. Uh, on a whole new factory. That’s amazing.

Guy:
Yeah. With, without a doubt.

Jeff:
Yeah. Yeah. And, and it’s gonna continue, really gonna become, uh, very, very powerful here as you start getting down the line. See when that is. Yeah. Yeah. See in 2 24, that’s probably another big boost for you that, that really started cooking. And then, um, yeah, you’re, you’re doing good. Your life is. Really gonna take a change in 2029 forward. And the reason why, that’s when you’re about to move into something known as the seven and a half year trends that have Saturn over the. The moon known as Saudi sat a strange term. The computer’s doing weird stuff.

Sorry about this. But, um, I dunno what the heck is going on here, but, uh oh, I see what it’s, it is been trying to bring up those graphics that I had before, so, and how, um, yeah, it’s doing weird things here. Sorry about that. So I’m gonna stop the screen share here for a minute.

Guy:
Yeah,

Jeff:
that’s okay. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because, uh, it, it’s. it’s gonna sit here and cough, but, uh, yeah, I mean, just looking that little bit, uh, that’s gonna be really profound. See Saturn. Is the funnel into time and space and it connects our soul roots. You know, that diagram that I had up before is, is so fascinating because if we go back through history, we always hear, and, and I never answered your question originally, and, and I wanna address that a little bit about where did all this come from?

Did it come from people, you know, sitting on mountaintops, watching stars on camels? Uh, I really don’t think so. And there’s evidence to this. In fact, they state. So in many of the ancient Egyptian, um, going back to like Petro Cyrus now, there was many kings called Petro Cyrus. That’s kinda like Caesar, you know, but, um, in the Egyptian lore, this is very interesting stuff, um, where you get into Epso and others. We’re talking like potentially three to 700 bc. There were exceedingly cohesive texts on astrology that was not just discovering astrology. This was advanced stuff, particularly in Greece, Mesopotamia c Chal Dia. These people had such vast knowledge of spirits and astrology and the matrix that we’re in.

Same thing in India. If you go back and you look at the ancient Tibetan llamas and you look at all the ancient fantic lore, I personally think this stuff goes back farther than measurable history. Because remember, every 26,000 years we, or 25,000 something odd, we go around a central sun. Time might just be an illusion. Um, not that it is. It’s real, it’s real when we’re in these genetic vessels called bodies. But I, I can tell you my opinion is this stuff is, uh, is really spirit manifest into the physical worlds. And this is so fascinating because I, I’m gonna try and share again, because this diagram will really help answer that.

They actually say that angels. Potentially extraterrestrials and also other beings. The rishis were called Sears. They would talk to spirits. We hear this about the shamans. We hear this throughout the entire, um, medieval periods, particularly when we get back between the 12 hundreds into like maybe the 15 hundreds, there was this gush and exposure of all the esoteric knowledge of inquiring spirits and summoning spirits or angels visiting. So is really, really deep stuff. And this is where it came from in my opinion. One of the oldest texts is said to be the ser raziel.

That is a really interesting text because SR means book and means the archangel of wisdom. And, and, and I wanna put the, this diagram back up here for just a second. They say we dive off the diving board. Of creation down into the physical worlds. And again, if there’s 49 parallel universes, it’s 49 subdivision. That is beyond any human comprehension, certainly beyond mine, and I believe it’s true. Quantum physicists will tell you that time. Space is really a construct. In fact, many people are into the extraterrestrial, the UFO and paranormal phenomena. They’ve, I, I was just at a great screening for a movie called The Age of Disclosure, where we have physicists, we have governed people, pilots, not just people from the cia, but people from all branches of military and government.

From all over the world saying, look, these crafts are creating new time space continuum. That’s how they can go under the water and not be affected. That they can literally go out of our atmosphere and make turns that would rip a human body apart. So when you look at time and space, it’s really an interesting thing to look back into on the soul. Well, why am I telling you all this? There is a story in every. One of the great religious, at least about a war in heaven, right? Of course, you’re in the Christian Judeo world, you’re gonna hear about the Garden of Eden story, right? It’s in the Old Testament. If you’re in the pedantic world, you’re gonna hear about the Ava gta, the war between our Juah, right?

And, and I don’t care where you go. The cohesive religions talk about a war in heaven, and God got ticked off. And cast down the evil spirits. Now, isn’t that interesting because we call ’em in the west, you know, of course you usually get a guy in religions with a Suan microphone telling you about the devil, right? But it’s a little bit deeper than that. Um, and it’s a whole lot deeper than that. The Egyptians Chaldeans and the Vedas knew a lot about this stuff, and many other cultures did too. So in the West we called them Lucifer, Satan, IL, and Leviathan. There’s eight sub demons beneath that, and there’s legions upon legions upon lesions Beneath that, what’s interesting is physicists will tell you first thing is molecules, right, and atoms.

The atom is positive charges and negative charges, right? You get protons, electrons, neutrons, neutrino. All this stuff. Right? So, and it’s interesting how the solar systems kinda look like little atoms, don’t they Kind of nucleus called the sun and everything’s whipping around it, right? And all these little satellites. Very interesting stuff. So that does seem be maybe Divine’s way of creation. Well, they say the evil spirits are imprisoned in matter itself. Literally, it’s like the Superman movie. Remember General, uh, what was his name? Um, I forget his name. God, remember the impression of, so it’s kind of like the evil spirits are imprisoned in and forced to make matter itself.

This is why you read the pedantic and Buddhist scriptures. Every under the heavens will be born. It will grow. It’ll experience mature. Atrophy and decay. Even the universes itself in the, that actually says God destroys all of the universes somewhere between 4.3 and four point billion years now. Isn’t that interesting? Google for me, sometime how old scientists think the universe is. It’s about 4.6 billion years old. I went, wow, that’s interesting. You know, and yet the VAs actually say that. So the material worlds, this is where Albert and Einstein and many other talked about the infinite loop of time, figure eight, loop of infinity.

It never ends. And it’s interesting ’cause time might just be an illusion. Not that it is. I mean, we all have to pay attention to time. We’re all gotta do what we gotta do every day. We got our time schedules right, but. Time is a very interesting thing. I always say, God created time. Everything won’t happen at once. And what’s fascinating to me about this is there’s an ancient system, Vedic Katra, known as the Kala Chakra. Doha and Mahari Parsha said it was the most perfect of timely dash shows. And this, I’ll put a picture on the screen. It’ll come up here. Lemme see if it works here. Hang on a minute. Yeah, my computer is really slow.

Hang on. We don’t want that one. We want this one right here. It’s just the one we want. Um, but this is an example of the collar chakra, infinite loop of time. This grate out area is reverse karmic time and notice the snake of time. These now resolution not real high, but at least you get the concept. You see the arrows going around, and then it does what we call quantum leaps back into direct karmic releases of time. And this never. Ever, ever stops. And what’s even deeper about this is they say the soul gets trapped in the infinite loop of reincarnation until one of two things happen. And it might be both. And that is karma dissipates, that’s attached to the soul. And further consciousness rises to where we escape from Alcaraz.

That’s of course a prison we talk about here in the United States. That’s my metaphor for when we escape this so-called timespace continuum and maybe go to many others, and Mitchells might move back up into the wisdom of soul. In fact, here’s that same term. It’s called Homa. In the Araman and Hebrew. Hebrew, where the soul remembers all the. The past lives. And then we get up into the very, where this, where the return of the purified souls are. And this certainly seems to be out of the materialistic time space continuums. Um, this is talked about a lot of the very ancient. That are profound, these different, um, dimensions in loca that they talk about very high and this where pure consciousness and divinity it really returns.

And then when we dive back off the diving board and come back into the films, I think, which early one of see, so when we study Astronom and Cycles and dohas, we’re really. Looking at the unfoldment of release karma and free will, same time, and consciousness is in the middle and it cannot be broken except that knowledge. It’s really interesting stuff, isn’t it? That That’s huge, mate. There’s a lot.

Guy:
Have to rewatch this and take that in, but what was coming to me then? I’m just aware of the time. I’ve got about 10 minutes left before we have to wrap up. But, um, what was coming to me then as well though, is when you talking about that infinity loop and escape from Alcatraz and that it kinda like when I look back on my life, I wanted to escape from like, there was a part of me pulling away ’cause I was deeply unhappy and I,

Jeff:
Your life was horrible. You went through so much emotional stuff. My friend during that Saturn dha, um, here I, I, I’m not gonna share the screen, but let me go back and look. Yeah. Vedic astrology is like reading a map. It really is. It’s, it’s absolutely stunning. It. See this happened to you. You were about, you know, it’s interesting, uh, because it was right around 2001, 2002 things really got a lot tougher for you.

Guy:
yeah, big

Jeff:
It started a little bit before, but see, that’s when you hit the Saturn dosha. Yeah. See, you would’ve been right around 26 years old.

Guy:
So

Jeff:
your very early, early childhood was not easy either. See up to about 11, but you, you got a big shift in there right around, actually it was about 10 years old, uh, from 10 to about, uh, your late teens that that had to have been better

Guy:
Yeah. I got to my mid-teens and then, then things really started to shift for me.

Jeff:
then it went back in the

Guy:
yeah, yeah,

Jeff:
Um, yeah, and it really went in the sewer right around 25 years old. 24, uh, particularly 24 through 26. Really tough. Really, really

Guy:
So, so my question to you is though, right? Is that I’ve got to a stage in my life because I’ve been, I was, it was like I was listening to my soul. That’s the only way I can look back on it, and actually started leaning into the pain as opposed to running away from it. And then I was making. Choice points decisions through my life that it, that had taken me on a certain trajectory, right? To the point where now in my life, I’ve created a life that I feel so grateful for. It’s full of love. I I, my,

Jeff:
Oh yeah. You’re in a great spot right now.

Guy:
but, but it feels like, because I’ve been honoring those stages and it’s not like I, I, um, resisted what was wanting to come through, if that makes sense. But I guess the question is then with that, um, life, because life is, can be as beautiful as, well, it doesn’t feel like something I want to be escaping from. What is the, the, the progression of the soul then in that sense? Because if you’re in a lot of pain and you’re in a lot of suffering, then obviously life can feel like you’re wanting to, uh, ex escape this karmic trap or whatever that

Jeff:
Well, it shows you your, your mother actually had you. You are, are involved a lot in the dissipation of the karma connected to your soul root of the mother. See, it’s, it’s very interesting because you know, genetics, they’ll look at, you know, your family tree and who’s the parents and who is it related and all the genetic inbreeding and stuff. That’s genetics, which does have connections to karma. But it’s interesting, the mother and the father definitely have a direct karmic impact on this lifetime. Obviously you would expect so. Right. But your mother’s soul was, you were with her before three lifetimes back. Yes. You were. Um, and it was very difficult.

Uh, you guys went through some real trauma and. You know, God, you went through so much emotional stuff. Yeah. See that’s what it shows right here. Right around 13 years old, maybe a little younger. Right around 10, 10 or 12, it really shifted you. Really shifted. You went through so much trauma there. Yeah. See it was right around 12. Between 11 and 12 ish in that area. I don’t know if you remember, but there was some very dramatic stuff that had happened to you emotionally. Do you remember that?

Guy:
Yeah, I do, actually. I do. I, that was,

Jeff:
I. So, you know, how would I know that? It’s because the, they’re called primary directions. The earth is a time machine. It really is. When, when you get past astrology and you start synthesizing into what does it mean to the soul? It’s a time machine. The time at which we drew first breath, the, the patterns are set in there and they release. And this actually was very Dr. I mean, you went through some really depressive stuff, buddy. I mean like, that was heavy Dewey. See, you had the primary directed moon going into Saturn. Your mom too. She went through a

Guy:
But, but, but here’s the thing though. I feel like, like I’ve been given the gift of both, both ’cause it’s such, um, opposites right? To, to feeling that, to what I’m feeling now. And without without that,

Jeff:
I Mercury now? Yeah.

Guy:
I wouldn’t be as passionate or, or as vocal as I am with the podcast and forming retreats and supporting

Jeff:
why you’re where you’re at

Guy:
and that’s why I’m doing I’m doing. Yeah.

Jeff:
you went for that. Yeah. It, it, see, you have great spiritual capability. What’s really wonderful about your chart, I, I can actually share, show the, the, the chart here for you. Um, let me, let me share one more time. See you have Jupiter in the midheaven. See, this is why you can’t just go by sunshine stuff. It’s love light and cluelessness. And you’ll see here, um, if I go back to your birth chart, see you have Jupiter. This is sunrise. For anybody watching, this is noon,

This is sunset and over here is midnight. See, those are the four stakes. Every one of us. As long as you live on planet Earth, you are going to experience sunrise, moon, sunset, midnight. Even if you’re in a cave, it’s still happening, right? So the bottom line is what happened for you is that drama. See, you ordered Asha right up until. You about, um, I forget the time you changed, but it was right around 2021. Massive changes. It, it was all happening ever since the death of your father. A lot of things really. And you have Jupiter. It’s God’s blessing. Look at Jupiter’s glyph. It’s the Crescent of the Moon, scooping up the divine energy and concretizing it at the time.

Space. Generally the largest planet of solar system is the blessings upon the soul. Thank God. Literally it is there and it aspects, your air trains this airtron that I’m tracing, and the air trains always interact with the fire tryings. You see, you’re very blessed that you have that Jupiter in the mid heaven because what is. The house of career astrologers know that it’s the 10th house. If anybody knows astrology listening to me, they’re gonna say, yeah, the 10,000 is the house of career. Right? Well, it’s more than that. It’s also how we comport out to the universe or our purpose in this existence. So the fact that you have Jupiter aspecting that moon in the air is amazing.

And what I also love is you moved into this. Mercury your period, and you’re gonna stay in that until 2, 3, 5, which is just short of a decade from now. See these, these are known as the time lords called Doshas. See, Eve Major, your period, see it says Mercury, Maha. Maha just means major. It just means time. So you’re gonna stay in that until you’re 62. At 62, you are going to go journey Power Excellence from 62 to 69. Then at 69 you’re gonna hit 20. Venus, you hang around for that one buddy. That’s gonna really be good. So, you know this, this is really the journey of the soul and you know, I didn’t plug you into a lot of other systems that I used topically.

Looking at this, I mean, I can see why life has really taken a spiritual journey for you and mm-hmm. You would actually be a great communicator because see that Jupiter creates what we call Raj yoga on the Saturn and the moons. Raj Yoga is a strange term. They use for karmically promised blessings that happen and they can also be what people call curses or challenges. But see, you flipped all that emotional stuff you went through as a young boy really flipped. Now you can speak from a place of more wisdom. ’cause the Jupiter aspects it, yeah, it’s really good. If you Jupiter on that moon, you. Who might have really had a hard time surviving your childhood, but the fact that you did was an angel sitting on your shoulder.

See, it really, really was. See, you’re, you’re Saturn too. You have a, what we call a yoga kaka, Saturn. That’s a strange word. See, kaka just means indicator. See, that’s the problem with vague astrology. You have all this San Rittal phrases that you have to translate. You’re, which means the, so. Indicator is Saturn. And that’s really important and that really is a blessing that you went through what you went through and that from your, uh, 10-year-old to about 26-year-old period and very, very powerful. You also have an angel on set. See, everybody has, this is why I love the ancient astrology ’cause it gets into angels and spirits that actually interact through the soul.

And we actually believe it or not, earn them. See, you were born in what we call the third degree of cerial, which puts you into the angelic degree of fortune to really a blessing because it denotes one who often possesses a great judgment to make the right decision, to do the right thing at the right time. And even though your early life will be full of many struggles that Angel brought to that, so that as you advance years actually complete with a lot of cost knowledge. So it’s really good podcast ’cause you actually have ability to communicate to people so great wisdoms and, and bring things out. Yeah, it’s very good.

Guy:
Thank, thank you for another thing, all that this, this podcast was completely off the cuff today. All of that that we, we went through. Um, I love the spontaneity. of it all and I really appreciate, uh, you coming on Jeff.

Jeff:
I got Uranus on the, it’s always spontaneous with me.

Guy:
yeah,

Jeff:
It’s rollercoaster ride, right?

Guy:
mate, if, if you’re open to it, I’d love to have you back on the podcast in the future. I really feel, um,

Jeff:
Sure, sure. I’d

Guy:
there’s so many things I, uh, we could get into. It’s my mind’s, my mind is officially blown. And, uh, I, like I said, I’ll actually re-watch that because obviously it’s relevant to me and I try not to make my podcasts about me specifically, but hopefully the listeners, it’s spiked interest in how they can relate this information into their own lives. And do you do readings and stuff that? Can people reach out to you,

Jeff:
Oh God. Yeah. I do readings all the time. Yeah. I, um, you. Yeah, you just, uh, you and I do a lot business stuff too. I have a lot of people that I, I have companies that put me on retainer and I give them electional times to sign contracts to do things. They ask me corporate things about, you know, things their board is considering and see if the astrology matches it. I never tell anybody what to do, ever see, I, I look at astrology as vectors and energy. You are the driver of your life. You are the person who sets goals and inspirational things, which is the most magical thing in the universe. Just think about, try and get AI to come up with an idea on its own. No, al assists you in your ideas, but the human ability to come up with the magic of desire and, you know, wanting is, is beyond divine.

I mean, that’s, that’s like we’re little gods in some ways. It’s really, really amazing. And we don’t realize and appreciate our physical bodies until you see someone getting old or falling on the ground and they can’t get up and, you know, we, we don’t realize what, what a gift we have with these magical bodies and, and taking care of them more. It’s so and so, so important. But back to what you were saying, is it clearly we, we have to stay focused on consciousness because that’s the thing. And when we’re, we’re the driver of the car, the astrology only gives you the conditions of the road. The most powerful thing in the universe. His reaction. If you talk to any spiritual practitioner, you talk to any, even martial arts, what are, what’s the first thing they teach you?

Not so much how to, you know, kick the guy’s butt, but it’s defend yourself. Use the energy coming at you in a positive way. You see it’s reaction. Reaction is the most magical, divine thing in the universe. The way we react to the karmas we receive to the challenges in life, and also to the energies coming. It’s like driving a car. If you’re not paying attention, you’re gonna have an accident sooner or later and you’ve got to stop at the stop and go lights. You’ve gotta pay attention to the speed limits and what everyone else is doing around you. Well, the religion’s demonized. Ancient astrology. Oh, it’s the work of the devil.

No, it’s not. It’s the energies and vectors coming at us. so there’s nothing superstitious about it at all. It’s really divine because it empowers you to make more informed, intelligent decisions, even when it comes to health. You know, I have so many wonderful clients. I was just on the the phone with this morning, this poor lady, she’s been a client of mine for years. She was. I asked her, I said, what happened to you? Right at about six, five and a half, six years old, she goes, oh my God. That’s how she became a paraplegic. She spent the life in a wheelchair. She has a hard time speaking, and yet she’s the most intelligent person you’d ever wanna speak to, but she can hardly talk.

Well, you know, and she’s an author and writer. And do you know that by the astrology, the, they’re called progressions. When she was born, Mars, within five and a half years of life was making what we call a primary direction over the south node of K two. That’s exactly when she got vaccinated and became a paraplegic. She can’t walk and she’s had hard times healing. She’s had a lot of difficulties, but incredible mind. You know, we see this all the time. Um, I had a lady, people could check out my podcast to Jeff Harman astrologer. I had a wonderful show on not too long ago, as last year, had a lady whose son is diagnosed as quote unquote, a DD, right?

Or you could say, um, autistic, right? So. He can’t hardly speak. Um, and yet this doctor developed something called spelling to speech, and many of these blocked. autistic children are now able to use this device to communicate to their parents. And of course that’s many different varied levels of autistic ness, but They’re finding these autistic children can talk to animals. They find out when another animal has died, they tell ’em their names, they can read their parents’ minds. Like one, the mother on this podcast that I had on the, uh, his mother has him going to a, an equine place where he rides horses, right. And he said, mom, through this machine. He said, mom, my horse tells me his best friend just died six months ago.

So the mother goes, that’s crazy. So she goes in to the owner of the equine center, said, was there a horse six months ago that used to be with this horse? Oh yeah. That was right before you guys got here. He died and they were inseparable. And the horse is telling this autistic children the name the horses called each other. So the lower conscious mind, that diagram I showed with the emotional, uh, reaction to reality, that’s our limiting attenuator. This is why most mystics teach you to get out of the lower al emotional conscious mind through meditative spiritual practices, et cetera, which it sounds like you know a lot about this stuff guy.

And we break the barrier or escape from Alcatraz, if you will, to our higher selves, Which I think does connect to all those dimensions you were mentioning earlier that we showed in that diagram. And we’re all capable of that. We’re all connected to that. We’re just so blocked by this dense, lower conscious reality that it’s hard to punch through and get out of it. We’re so dense in our emotional perception of realities that oftentimes we stay locked there.

Guy:
it’s wild. And that’s where the, the magic truly is. The truly is. Jeff, look, thank you so much for everything. There’ll be links in the show notes for people if they wanna there. Come across, have a read, check out your podcast, check out your work, and um, yeah, I look forward to round two, mate. I really do.

Jeff:
Alright bud, many blessings to you. Thanks for having me

Guy:
Thanks, legend.