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Dana: That’s what reality is made out of, but it’s an invisible Play-Doh and you can make it into anything. Ever since, I would say even the 1600s in science, they’ve been surrounding this thing, but they didn’t call it plasma. It was this invisible burning fire. They thought it might have to do with magic or consciousness. That plasma is more than we think it is. It does not just exist in the bounds of science. Our nervous system is what speaks to plasma. It’s our consciousness. You will not bring in money or abundance if you haven’t healed your nervous system w- and your belief systems in the right ways. You’ll lose it easy again. With more light comes more darkness, and I think people forget that

Guy:
Dana, welcome to the podcast. My lovely

Dana:
Yay. Thanks for having me.

Guy:
Oh, you’re very welcome. I feel like we can cover a lot of ground today

Dana:
Yes.

Guy:
stumbling across your work. Speaking very passionate about plasma metaphysics. Gosh, mental health. Divine, feminine, human potential consciousness, you name it. We’ll probably cover it today. So that’s what we’re, hopefully we’ll unpack in the next hour as well. But I, I wanted to go in because plasma’s such a big topic for

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
that. You talk about, I’ve got two young children, right? And if, if you came, visited my house and you had to explain plasma to one of them, how would you, how would you break it down in a brief overview?

Dana:
Okay. If I was going to talk to them, I would say, Hey Guy, do they know what Play-Doh is? Do you

Guy:
They do. My daughter would. Yeah, big time.

Dana:
so I’d probably go like, Hey guys, you know that thing Play-Doh. That’s what reality is made out of, but it’s an invisible Play-Doh and you can make it into anything. And what do you use instead of your hands? You use your consciousness, which is not just your mind, it’s your heart, your body and your mind. It’s your, you know, your full consciousness, right? Your mind, body, soul. with that, think about like, okay, let’s say you wanna think of an image, like if you take a key and press it into Play-Doh, it leaves an imprint of the key, right?

It’s the same with plasma. You think of something and emotionally feel it, and it will start to make imprints in the plasma, which is called the Akashic Field in mythology kids, which means, um, all past, present, and future and memory. So what we imprint our consciousness, which is memory onto this field. And this field has its own intelligence made up of all of our imprints that this man, Carl Young, called the collective unconscious. Um, yeah, that’s about it.

Guy:
Uh, it’s great. Straight away I’m seeing it like the Play-Doh like, because obviously I’m, I’m a, I’m, you preach it to the converted here,

Dana:
And.

Guy:
you know, through what I do as well, but. What have you found over the years in terms of where we are, where what, how much of science is acknowledging this at this stage, and how much is it from your own experiential life experience?

Dana:
How so? How much am I, what am I noticing that science is acknowledging right now?

Guy:
Yes. Or if at all.

Dana:
Yeah, so they’re starting to, which is very exciting. Um. I would say has been acknowledged literally since like the 16 hundreds. I just did some research, I forget the scientist’s name, so where these people were working with like electrostatics and this luminescent thing. Um, and they even called it, oh God, they call it, talk about it in Theo. Um, what’s. The word. Hold on. I literally was looking this up today. I’ll take you two seconds. Um, Greek word for burning fire theory. Plasma. Oh, Phin. Um, okay, so there are all these different words. Um, lemme get back to the camera here.

Sorry. Hold on. La Where is, oh, here we go. ever since, like, I would say even the 16 hundreds in science, they’ve been, you know, surrounding this thing, but they didn’t call it plasma. It was this, you know, invisible burning fire. They thought it might have to do with magic or consciousness. Um, and then they started to call it, um, radiant matter when there was, uh, something called a crooks tube, uh, which also had to do with producing x-rays, I believe, or there was some correlation there with x-rays.

There was this guy, sir William Crooks, and this is like in the late 18 hundreds. He came up with the word radiant matter, which was plasma. Uh, but then we, and then people started talking about Lumous ether and ether. And how there must exist in Ether. And there was this experiment called the Mickelson Morley, uh, experiment, which disproved ether and all of its supposedly, you know, paranormal properties that they, you know, said, you know, at one point they said this was like the medium of the universe, right?

And it’s how light Trav propagated the universe. But the problem was they tested a static ether. And we all know that, you know, reality is not static or fixed. It’s in flux, right? It’s a cosmic ocean. So after they disproved all the mystical parts of this ether, which was also very similar to radiant matter, but it was a more finer radiant matter, I would say, uh, more invisible. Um, they then came up with plasma in 1928. Irving Lme named it plasma because it resembled blood plasma ’cause they had the same properties of information exchange, uh, protection, all these different things, but they’re two different things in science. And then basically plasma made up 99.9% of visible matter. Um, and it was known as an ionized gas, so there was solid liquid gas and then plasma, which was the fourth state of matter, and I’m just giving you a brief history on it, but all of a sudden, all the paranormal and mystical talk was stripped from it, and it became this thing that was studied underground.

You know, national security kind of wiped it off the map. We barely learned about it in school. Very few people go into plasma research and if they do. You know, recently there’ve been 10 scientists that have been, you know, supposedly killed for nuclear fusion work. Um, I actually don’t think, I think that, you know, I’ll talk about that another time, or you can ask me about that down the line, but I actually don’t agree with that article. Um, I think it’s being sensationalized and we should look where the media is not looking, um, because, you know, the media is tailored by people in government. So yes, but what I was going off my tangent. Back to plasma. Plasma was studied in secret for many, many years and very, very recently.

There have been discussions, uh, this guy, Dr. Patrick Van Rais out of Belgium, he works for a company called Plasm and they’re starting to discuss even in science, thank God I’ve been saying this in my book. And Robert Temple has said this in his book, A New Science of Heaven as well. Um, that plasma is more. Than we think it is. It does not just exist in the bounds of science. It is more metaphysical. It is more holistic and needs a holistic science to be studied. And it is more the foundation of reality or the substance that underlies reality. It’s more like the first state of matter. And Dr. Patrick Van Rays actually talks about how it’s, um. Uh, what do you call it? He, uh, more made up of like a, a potential quasi particle. Um, and how it is more of a set of behaviors of reality and when you treat reality a certain way with temperature and such, uh, this plasma starts to happen,

Guy:
I Is it, is it like, like if plasma’s the canvas and then physical form is which we paint reality onto the canvas kind of thing.

Dana:
say plasma is the, the way we could think about our 3D reality. It would almost be like plasma is all the paint plasma. There’s a dimensionless plasma, which is the canvas. Uh, which is, you know, completely neutral and not color colored at all. Like a picture, like colorless little pixels that are like, not particles, but there’s something beyond science. Then picture this canvas with, you know, the scenery you’re looking at and all of that is plasma with different colors and gradients. But the, the difference is we can actually go in and change it. So it’s almost like a virtual painting, but not a machine. It’s like a living, breathing painting that we can change at every moment.

Guy:
Yeah, fascinating. ’cause like I’ll go off the deep end slightly here. ’cause where I got really fascinated by all this kind of stuff was through my own journey where I had an, an experience where I felt a lot of energy surge through the body. And then when I surrendered into it, I became the field. It was, I can’t even explain it. And it was like my body was evaporating. It vibrated and evaporated into emergence of something far greater. But then what happened? Dana, which, um, a face came through, like it was coming through the TV screen and as it came through, it’s like it was coming out. It, it, it, it was incredible.

Dana:
Yeah,

Guy:
and it touched me. So it was, I was like, holy shit. That is wild. Absolutely wild. Terrifying, exciting, all of the same in that moment.

Dana:
So I would say plasma is what made up all of that. So like,

Guy:
Hmm.

Dana:
in Greek literally means moldable substance. So plasma can be molded. So if like maybe another bean of consciousness was visiting you, it’s visiting you through this plasma, right? Almost as like a mask. Um, and, and also where you’re, when you’re talking about the field. So there’s plasma in science that’s almost like, think of a three-dimensional visible, you know, part of plasma, right? And then we have the invisible plasma, what I call multi-dimensional plasma, which is I would define as a living sentient ether. Uh, that is multidimensional and it is the vehicle for consciousness and for information. Um, and, you know, that cannot be proved in science yet, just like a lot of theories once couldn’t be. But I do think it will when we have the tools to test for it. But just picture, it’s like a finer plasma. So plasma comes in all different gradients. Just like in science, there’s like all different exotic plasmas. Yeah.

Guy:
so would you say, just so I can get my head around it in terminology, ’cause there’s different words around it. So like in Daoism they call it the, the pulse of primorial murder. Then it gives rise to consciousness, which gives rise to. Spirit, which gives rides to the soul and then physical form in that. Then your progression is plasma, the, the like, the zero point field, the quantum field, the matrix, whatever, or is it, or is it coming from that? And plasma is

Dana:
Um,

Guy:
a layer beyond that, you know?

Dana:
I think it would even be before quantum. I call it quintessence, which is actually the fifth essence, which Aristotle talked about, which is more like an ether. So I would say that there’s this underlying cosmic ocean, everything,

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Dana:
this, you know, dimensionless plasma, right? Almost like how in Kabbalah, like the feminine came first, or the original water, right. And it’s not conscious. It’s, it’s just imprinted by consciousness. But it also has intelligence and sentience picture it more like feeling like the feminine side of consciousness, like emotion, feeling, um, your instincts. It’s more animalistic, which is why it’s been demonized. Um, and it’s like a cosmic ocean, right? And then you know that ocean is bubbles, and those bubbles hold memory or imprinted consciousness, and that surround me and you. Consciousness more has to do with like light. And plasma.

I would say it more has been associated with like dark, even though it’s not. Um, but yeah, so, and I mean, yeah, different religions, there’s so many correlations to what plasma is, but once again, plasma can come in different like densities. So, you know, then you have like material plasma, which is the fourth state of matter. You have a more ether plasma, which is the collective unconscious, what I call four dimensional plasma. And then there’s a more fifth dimensional plasma, which is where you could say the heavens are, or our higher selves are. Um, yeah. So there’s all different kinds.

Guy:
No, that’s fine. It’s just, and you know, it is more outta curiosity than anything else. ’cause that’s the way where my brain starts to go as well, trying to, trying to piece all this together as well. You know, I find it interesting that you, you speak of that and the, the feminine as. And the emotional aspect of it. ’cause funny, an image occurred to me, somebody put up a meme the other day of all the world’s leaders that are currently creating the chaos in the world, and they’re all old men, right?

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
And I was like, what is going on in the world? Like, have, have we got to this point? You know, and what is happening moving forward. I mean, I’ve opened it up there as well for you, but like it really feels like that we’ve gone so far down a masculine energy route

Dana:
Yeah,

Guy:
and we are imbalanced.

Dana:
Yeah. And it’s like, listen, I am not like a feminist, right? I’m all, I’m a

Guy:
Yeah,

Dana:
I’m for men. Yeah. I know.

Guy:
same.

Dana:
and women and everyone in between, whatever. My point is, I do agree with you though, like we’ve obviously balanced. The scale too far to the masculine. And the problem is the MAs most masculine are living in survival consciousness, which is, you know, like war and anger and money and power and sex. And there are all these things that they’re chasing, not realizing that there is more of a divine masculine side. Right, right. A healed consciousness healing the inner child. And it’s not less manly. I mean, any woman would tell you it’s more manly when they see a man, you know, feeling emotions. They don’t like seeing men fight.

Um. Um, and you know, there there’s ways to have healthy masculine and I’m, I’m not the professional on this, but, and you could still be manly and, you know, animalistic and all those things. But yeah, we’ve definitely to the scale too far and we definitely need a more of a balance with men and women ruling the world in general. Um, and I’m not against, you know, having some type of. People, you know, running certain things, right. I don’t know. I don’t, I’m, I’m not wanted to say how to fix everything, but yeah, the scales are definitely tipped. Yes. And right now I think there’s a resurgence of that divine feminine. Um, you know, we’re not all the way there yet, but plasma is a symbolism, but also actual, the actual divine feminine returning, I think. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. Interesting. okay. Tying it back to where did your passion and insight come from with, with this stuff as well? So I, I believe, I dunno, you, you were doing acting or you are an actor. I don’t know if, is that true?

Dana:
call myself an actor really, but like I was, so yes, when this happened, when this passion kind of sprouted out of me, I was acting and directing, uh, film. So basically very strange, and I think if anything, this is why people should maybe trust me a little bit, at least what I say, uh, or take it with a grain of salt, is that I had no interest in plasma. I’ve probably never even heard of plasma. I think I did used to like the plasma balls and dispensers, but I didn’t even know they were plasma. Um, I did study like I was, I didn’t study, but I was very good at math and science as a child. Um, but you know, I was a drug addict in my teenage years. I didn’t go to college.

Like, I took a very different path and I feel very grateful for that. ’cause I don’t think I was, you know, the dogma was not put on me from religion or from science or from anything. So I had no real belief system. Besides like trying to be a good person. And, um, my point is saying that is, uh, when I was finally found acting directing, I was like, oh, this is what I wanna do. And then I start, I went through a really tough relationship and I started meditating. And my third time meditating, it was like I plugged in or connected with plasma. This like feminine creation energy womb like. Substance. Right. And I was seeing fractals and I, I cried. I was like, I know where I come from and I’m, where I’m going back to.

And plasma’s like the vehicle for consciousness and uh, intelligence and information and, um, plasma, you know, is intelligent. And oh my God, like, why doesn’t everyone know this? Like, plasma’s being so misunderstood. It was like telling me these things, but I, it didn’t talk to me. It’s just, I knew all of this at like once and once again, I knew nothing about plasma before this hap this, this was like in a, in a 15 minute period. Um, and then I kind of, you know, woke out of this like fever dream and I mean, it’s been a fever dream ever since, for the last six years. ’cause it like found me in a weird way. Um, yeah, very weird. Uh, very strange. Yeah.

Guy:
W was there, was there any catalyst or just outside of exploring meditation you think that, um, created that, download, that experience to. To start to happen because you, I mean, I’ve done over 400 podcasts. I mean, I’ve been in front of thousands of people and there’s normally some catalyst to really spark that, that opening to source.

Dana:
for me it was heartbreak. Um,

Guy:
Okay.

Dana:
so, and it’s so like, it’s so funny that that’s what it was. ’cause I’ve been through way worse things in my life. But the thing is, I never really felt them. I numbed myself to every horrible trauma. I’ve, and I’ve been, you know, if you think of a trauma, I’ve been through most of them. Several times, and I’d never really, I had to shut my body off. So I was living, you know, from my head up most of my life. Like my body was literally numb. Like I’m still working on like my feeling my feet because of how much I’ve shut my body off. And, um, when I, we know this, I had a boyfriend and of course I should have known, he would’ve lied to me about things, but I was, you know, codependent and in denial and, you know, really trusted him for some weird reason, even though I knew I shouldn’t have. And, you know, I found out he lied to me about, you know, this girl he was gonna meet up with and, you know, get together with, and for some reason that, because I had so much trust in him and I come from like, you know, a family that I couldn’t really trust or feel safe with. I love my mom and dad, but like, the truth.

And I never really felt safe in a certain, like, friend group or, uh, in school. So like the, you know, I put all projected all of what I needed into this guy. Right. I’m not saying he was that. And so when he did this thing, my heart broke open in a way where I, I like screamed like I was dying. He probably thought I was insane. Looking back, that what I even think I overreacted, but it was almost like my heart cracked open and every trauma I’ve ever had that I didn’t feel came back to me. And then I felt so horrible that the only thing I could think to turn to, ’cause I knew I couldn’t do drugs or drink ’cause I, that’d take me down a bad path. I didn’t wanna, you know, binge eat, so I was like, I’m gonna try meditation. And then, yeah, I started doing transcendental meditation and my third meditation is when I, when this plasma stuff found me. But yeah, I never thought my life would be here I in a million years. But then again, like my intuition, like I would, I could see this happening. Like, I was so weird as a kid. Like if you ask anyone, they wouldn’t be surprised. But I also like, you know, I thought I was gonna be like a famous actor, filmmaker, and that’s it. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. And then the, this clearly, it seems like that was the straw that broke the camel’s back that last bit, that then opened up everything for you moving forward in that. So what, when you started having the downloads.

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
the plasma. When did you, like, at what point was it really starting to paint a picture to you? ’cause it, it feels to me as well as you share that these experiences with them becoming very healing for you because the, the amount of disassociation that people are walking around with and not being. Fully connected to their bodies because of traumatic experiences. You know, obviously, you know, the energy aspect of ourselves f flees and sits outside the body and then we feel numb to ourselves, right? But then when we open it up, we, the body has to relive a lot of those experiences as it moves through so it becomes even darker. Even though we are going through it and there’s light the other side, we don’t know it, right? So.

Dana:
yeah.

Guy:
So, so, um, I guess in that, I’m curious ’cause I think now a lot of people are gonna be really resonating with everything that you say

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
is what, what allowed you to lean into this information of plasma is coming through, but also start to heal

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
aspects of yourself that you said you’ve been working through. I’m actually here right now at a retreat space in Taupo, New Zealand, and it’s beautiful. And it really brings home the difference between understanding this work and actually living it, because that’s what retreats can do and why we’re so passionate about it. They give you the space to slow down, to reconnect, and truly let something deeper land. So it’s not just an idea, but it’s a lived experience. That’s why we created Live in Flow. So if you’ve been feeling this shift in your own life and you know you’re ready to go deeper, then come back to liveinflow.co to find out more. Anyway, back to the episode

Dana:
Yeah. I’m really glad I listened to like my inner whispers, I guess you could say, because I think unfortunately, a lot of times in the spiritual community, like people like me have these downloads and automatically go into ego and you know, that they’re the savior of the world or like, um. Like, I don’t know that they’re, you know, this chosen one, right. Just all these things or like, you know, they don’t integrate it into their body. And I am, I had a little voice come to me, uh, and you know, this is over five years, so I don’t, I’m not saying it probably exactly as it happened, but very early on, this was like, you need, you know. Um, make sure you’re doing trauma therapy. You need to integrate this. Um, and I was actually, I just started trauma therapy, I think around that same time because of the same issues I was having. So I did, in the last five years, I’ve done a mix of internal family systems, somatic work. Some past life work, uh, and something called the comprehensive resource model.

My therapist does like a mix of those things. I see her twice a month and I, yeah, I’ve relived every, almost every single trauma. We’re still working on my adoption one, which I never even would’ve thought affected me. But I guess that like original separation can do real damage on like your body and, um, your belief system, even if you don’t think you’re traumatized by being adopted. So that one, she, my body for some weird reason still doesn’t feel safe getting to yet, but we’re like almost there. We basically had to work my nervous system up to that. But, you know, I went through, you know, I don’t if I can’t say this, you can erase this part, but, you know, several like molestation things I, that happened to me and with a gymnastics teacher and other people, I had to relive all that stuff, you know, being taken advantage of in high school in the wrong ways.

Um, severe, severe bullying. Some abuse. Um, you know, all, a lot of those things I had to relive. And then, you know, like traumas that everyone has that you don’t realize are traumas. Like, you know, when your mom gets really mad at you and, you know, may switch her, well, maybe not everyone deals with this, but like, you know, a personality switch or like, um, let me think of something that most people even go through that can be traumatic. Like, I don’t know, getting made fun of, right? A lot of people get made fun of, but just how those things like. Sh Like for instance, my mom didn’t, like when I danced, she thought it was manic. So I literally had to go through like the trauma of like shutting down my freedom and like, ’cause I always felt like I was being watched and surveilled.

So I started to almost have to mask how I was feeling and generate this character of, oh, what’s right to feel in this and this and this moment. And then all of a sudden I, I realized at 37 years old, I don’t know how to feel like I feel intensely. But then when I feel in front of people, it’s almost performative. ’cause I’m trying to manipulate the outcome rather than just feeling, ’cause feeling was never safe. Anyway, these things I had to work on. And for people that say, oh, like you know, everyone’s too sensitive now we’re gonna trauma, trauma, trauma. The thing is like, get that there is some people that are too sensitive and it’s ridiculous.

Like not everyone should win awards. Like we should be able to say things in comedy and it should be fine. Not everything but. I’m more saying trauma and healing our nervous system, though that does happen to everyone and it’s directly linked to bringing it back to plasma. Our nervous system is what speaks to plasma. It’s our consciousness. You will not bring in money or abundance. If you haven’t healed your nervous system and your belief system in the right ways. You’ll lose it easy again, you’ll bring in the wrong partner over and over again. You know, I’ve lived a very de depressed inside life most of my life, not even feeling alive because of I didn’t wanna be weak or look at this stuff.

So I think healing is nothing to be ashamed of, and it’s just, you have to remember you’re not a victim, like, and you’re healing so you can get out of survival consciousness. So, yeah. Now I would say, you know, healing journey’s never done. But you know, what’s important to me is that I’m working on healing. That’s a lifelong thing, but I also know how to feel, which is, I think, even more important ’cause that creates like a channel through intuition to, you know, work with plasma, work with reality and kind of, you know, be in relationship with reality in a way that’s not a psychosis or like a spiritual bypassing. So, back to the plasma stuff, I just knew that there was a direct correlation with psychology and plasma. had not been explored and I knew that I had to walk the talk and, and heal and go through the things I’ve, and I’ve also gone through the things I’ve gone through, which have given me the exact perspective needed to translate this knowledge slash wisdom, I guess.

Guy:
I’m nodding in agreement with everything you just said. Absolutely. And first of all, thank you for your honesty and sharing. I think that’s really important. Thank you.

Dana:
Yeah.

Guy:
I can certainly f feel your journey that you’ve been going through. The, the, um, the fascinating thing as you were sharing then what was, what, what I wanted to bring forward as well is like the, the, the critical component of the nervous system and. That is the gateway to everything. And like you say, the inner work as you start to heal, starts to reflect out and, and like you say, the plasma, what I’ve noticed. Especially the last 18 months is the, the, there’s almost like a i, I go into a hibernation and then there’s an expa contraction from it, and then there’s an expansion and it continues to evolve. But I, like, I’m feeling trauma come outta my bones, like the marrow that isn’t mine, you know, it’s just in there as well. Like it could be, uh, ancestral, it could be past life, who knows? But it’s just energy. But there’s a relationship that’s going on with something energetic. And once you. Tune in or feeling it clears. You feel the shifts within yourself,

Dana:
Yeah.

Guy:
which shifts your perception of your stories, your belief systems of who you are, how you see everything,

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
to the world. Like I do wonder sometimes

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
many people are, are out there with physical issues when actually it’s it, it’s a plasma problem, right? It’s an energetic problem that hasn’t been resolved in that relationship. And the physical bit, the bit that shows it last.

Dana:
Yes.

Guy:
It’s like, what manifests, you know, it’s, it’s like, it’s crazy and I wonder if you

Dana:
about that.

Guy:
please tell me. Yeah.

Dana:
Yeah. So like very recently, this is like in December. in December, I was, you know, rejected by a guy yet again. No, I’m making a joke, but I, you know, chased the wrong person. Right? And I actually really needed that experience to actually fall in love with myself and realize my worth. And I’m very glad that whole experience happened. But my point was. It was the first person I really felt like a lot of feelings forced since my last boyfriend a few years ago, and this might all sound silly, but this is what humans go through, and when I was dealing with that rejection, that was very like fast and out of nowhere kind of. developed a rash and I around my stomach, which is the same place, you know, as the wounds are from being adopted, right in the the umbilical cord and all these things. So I had a rash all on my lower stomach. Most people would go to a doctor and then they’ll get diagnosed with an immune disorder, and then they’ll get a put on medication, and then they’ll be on a special diet.

I had the wisdom to be like, no. This is literally my trauma showing itself physically. And now I’m gonna finally face it and feel it. And what did I do? And this is the part that I, where I didn’t do anything. I actually then started smoking cigarettes and started binge eating ice cream. So I didn’t face it, but the rash went away. Funny enough now, three months later happened and I’m, you know, you know, finding all these distractions again, whatever. Uh, and then finally I’m like, okay, I’m not gonna try to date. I’m really gonna focus on myself. Like, I really need to heal this last part. You know, that’s really. I feel like in between me and like just being this expansive human that actually loves myself and I, the rash came out again and instead of going back to smoking cigarettes, instead of going back to eating junk food, I actually felt through it and it was not as bad as I thought it was gonna be.

It was more the fear of what I was gonna feel. I don’t even know what it was. I just wasn’t, who knows? We can’t. But my point is then the rash went away again and now. this week, literally this week I was in acting class. ’cause I still do acting class just ’cause it actually helps me connect to my feelings. Um, and I was in acting class and I had to reconnect with a part of myself, this like 7-year-old who used to be free in dance right. And feel, and not feel like she had to perform how she was feeling. And um, oh God, what was my point of this? Um, oh, basically I like reconnected with the like expansive part of myself and the fact that I can ex and my, I did this in therapy too.

It all connected in one week I could be me, which is your like multidimensional self. My therapist calls it your true self or your higher. I can exist as that now and finally be, I’m safe to do that. I can exist as myself and manifest from that place instead of these stories I created and these masks I’ve created. And, and you know, not being my, I, I’m always my whole self, but it’s like I, I close the seven and 8-year-old in a box, right? ’cause their behaviors weren’t acceptable. So it’s about taking that back in and putting them into you, um, and, you know, being that whole person again. And I don’t know, it’s just been a very beautiful journey, but. Just for anyone who’s still dealing with that stuff and you know, in the public eye or practicing spirituality, like it’s okay if you like mess up or go through these things.

Guy:
Of course it’s been human. It is been human, isn’t it?

Dana:
Exactly. But

Guy:
Like, come on.

Dana:
you know, those things are shameful and you know, sometimes spiritual people will say, you know, pretend they’re all enlightened. And then obviously it comes out that they’re ne, ne never

Guy:
Uh, yeah. Well, it’s challenging as well. Like, I mean, even on social media, it’s like looking through a keyhole. Everyone’s presenting a certain aspect of themselves, and you just get these tiny snippets that’s over time portraying probably an inconclusive picture of someone’s reality, and

Dana:
Yeah.

Guy:
just kind of buy into it. If that becomes our focus of information,

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
know, like it’s, it’s out there as opposed to just getting on and living our lives, but. What I’m interested as well, and from your own downloads, your research life experience and everything, then you mentioned that caught my interest as well. I’d love to see how you unpack it is around. The relationship with the, the plasma, the universe, if it’s a mirror into your manifestation and your life and your nervous system and your body. So what’s going on in the inside is, is reflecting in the plasma, is that what you’re saying? And if you change your external state, then the, the,

Dana:
Yeah, yeah,

Guy:
world will start to reflect back. Like, how do you see all that stuff?

Dana:
yeah, yeah. There’s a lot of ways to say it and talk about it. So, well, the first thing is that plasma reflects is a reflective substance. And once again, I’m talking about multidimensional plasma. So I’m talking about, you know, the plasma that makes a viral reality right now. But it also does this in science, by the way. Um, but it is a reflective substance. there’s two real layers to it. There when you know we’re seeing plasma, think about how, you know, we have an energy field that’s pretty much proven now, right? It’s a biofield that is made of something called Biola, which is what Russia calls it. It’s also a four dimensional plasma or a finer plasma, right?

This ether. And what does that hold Our subconscious and it makes up our consciousness, right? So picture your consciousness is like. tentacles in a choroidal form constantly going in and out, and you’re feeling the world with it. So that’s what makes up our entire consciousness. And also what that plasma that holds our consciousness is also called the soul. So this four dimensional plasma makes up the soul. And also makes up the entire collective unconscious. So, you know, we all connect through that, which is how intuition is formed. That’s how, you know, someone could read me and know my past lives or, you know, pick up on certain things. We’re all reading each other’s, you know, vibrational bubbles all the time.

And the more we connect with our subconscious, the more we can be intuitive. So plasma as a reflective substance when you, when your bubble comes across any other plasma bubble, right? And everything is encased in a plasma bubble, you, me, a phone, a, uh, um, a b, a water bottle, anything inanimate and an inanimate, it’s, it’s like all little bubbles in the ocean. This plasma reflects your subconscious. So think about when you meet someone first, you don’t meet them, you meet. Most, most of us meet our projections, right? We meet the person we’re, we’re making up about them in our head. ’cause they remind us of, you know, this girl in high school that slept with our boyfriend or our of our father.

So it’s the same thing, just like that plasma reflects that when we’re meeting a person, um, you know, if you’re having a, um, an experience with, you know, maybe a being you’re seeing whether it’s a demon or an angel that’s actually reflecting your subconscious. So based on your cultural beliefs, based on what you’ve seen that week. The if another bean of consciousness or a bean of what I call information, which is just, you know, a seed of trauma, um, or memory visit to you, it’s gonna reflect your subconscious or, or whatever’s in the collective unconscious. Then there’s the inner truth or the seed, or what I call intelligence, and every plasma that visits you. Um, and you know, you can even talk about this as like anything you look at, it’s the same thing. It’s holographic. Um, but there’s this seed of intelligence, and this could be once you go past your subconscious filters and you’re able to be open to what’s really coming to you. And once again, you can apply this to anything in your life.

And in reality, you can see the real person. You’ll see the real being. So it’s probably a holographic, you know, being, or it’s another being of consciousness. Or maybe it’s, you know, that traumatic memory that you are seen as a demon. Because you’re projecting versus really taking in what it is. ’cause sometimes we’re not ready for all that. Um, and that’s why, you know, have demonized plasma and this, this four dimensional layer. Um, so yeah, there’s two layers of it. There’s the intelligent layer and then the informational layer and science. And quantum physics is actually stuck in the informational layer because everyone loves quantum physics.

I know, but the hilarious thing we always forget is they’re still having no idea what’s happening and can’t even reconcile, you know, the classical, um, uh, what is it, the classical and the, is it the classical and the quantum or what, uh, general relativity and. What’s the other thing? Hold on. I have to look it up. I literally wrote about this in my book and I’m blanking. Oh, general relativity and what cannot be reconciled. There’s two different. General. Oh yeah. General relativity and quantum mechanics cannot be reconciled. So it’s like we have different science for all these things. Um, but they don’t work when we put it all together. And the reason why they don’t

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Dana:
it’s a deeper field of plasma, of quintessence. Right. Of, i, I like to call it quintessence or it’s something beyond physics. And, and even physics and a lot of science don’t, don’t accept that spiritual side of consciousness. Right. So I believe that, you know, in the next few years, we’re gonna have to make a totally new science, a holistic science, something beyond quantum that brings in psychology again, uh, and consciousness, uh, to the equation. And some scientists finally are starting to do this. Um, I don’t even know where I was going with that.

Guy:
Yeah, that’s okay. But do you ever wonder why it behaves in that manner? So like, for instance, right. What I, I like what you’re saying. ’cause uh, a penny dropped for me a long time ago. ’cause what was happening, I was starting to have out body experiences, but they were very dark when I got out. Like in terms of what was presenting itself for me, I’ll just leave it at that.

Dana:
Yeah.

Guy:
But then I started leaning into the work of Tom Campbell. I’m not sure if you know Tom Campbell, but, um, what he said to me was, no, it’s just reflecting. Yeah. What’s internally not, not resolved? Like it was,

Dana:
funny.

Guy:
it’s a direct reflection, right? So, so all of a sudden, the moment I went in there and I just held a space of love into what I was feeling, it just, it just gone. And I was like, oh my God, it’s just mirroring what’s in me. Have you ever wa ever wondered why it behaves in this manner?

Dana:
Yeah, I have, and I, I think I, I feel like I have an answer once again. Everyone, you know, should go with what’s true to them, but I think it’s almost like the perfect way to heal and evolve humanity is the substance. And these beings that we’re coming across, some of them are once again informational, which just holds our trauma, right? They’re collective unconscious. So, you know, many beings that visit us are not conscious. They cannot, you know, take us over without us agreeing. And when we, you know, if someone feels possessed, it’s more that we are actually unconsciously agreeing. To a possession from the collective unconscious. A being of consciousness will never possess you because they’re all benevolent.

Um, they’re all interdimensional. They can’t travel through plasma’s love. They can’t travel through love unless they have compassion, right? So what can travel and get to us is the unconscious ’cause that’s within time, space, reality, which some people would call evil, right? Those things are there, but once again, they really just resonate with something inside of us. So the second we banish it in us, it’s not, it can’t, doesn’t have that magnetic pull to

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Dana:
And it’s not to shame people if they have a lot of dark experiences, it just means, oh, you’ve probably gone through a lot of trauma. Um, but yeah, I think what, like, I don’t know who. You know, if there was a creator to all this, or if it’s just always been here, I, you know, I’m not one to answer that question, but this plasma, this intelligent substance is here for us to, one, learn from and also evolve with. So when we are seeing these beings, these demons, and we actually, we are actually evolving them to consciousness, almost like a demon going to heaven when we become conscious of what they’re bringing us. So it’s so beautiful. ’cause that’s, that expands the universe, right? Um, yeah, I mean, I don’t know the exact answer, but I think it’s like all benevolent and pushing us forward into some more expansive reality.

Guy:
But, but interestingly as well, it, it puts everything back on us, right? To, to evolve. ’cause we, we live in a world where we’re outsourcing everything, you know, that we look for externally for the answers. But ultimately it feels like, uh, uh, uh, you got, you gotta go in.

Dana:
Yes. I think it, I think that’s why people are, once again, sc uh, you know, the man’s greatest fear is to face himself, right? Or there’s nothing to fear, but fear itself. Uh, and I think we’re all scared of ourselves and because self, um, what’s the word? Self autonomy or like accountability of our lives, that’s a scary thing, right? To know that we have choice like that, like some people. It’s easier to be a victim you’re in the beginning because then you’re like, oh, this and this, I can’t control it. And it’s like, yeah, but if you can, that almost feels like the unknown, right? That’s that’s scary. ’cause then you’re like, oh, now I really have to like be responsible for my life and take accountability for the things I’ve done. But I think the interesting thing, and I’ve had this in my life, I’m sure you have too, is like there is some beauty in like the mystery. Of life where there sometimes are these weird nudges or these weird miracles or like these beings of consciousness that do show up or help us in some way. Um, and I don’t think we need to understand that.

I think it’s just really cool that, that there’s that. And. You know, even when I connect with these beings, they always tell me, do not put us on a pedestal. Do not pray to us. You do not need to sacrifice anything for us. Like, we’re always here. You can meet us halfway anytime you want. That’s up to you and your vibration. We, you know, we’re, we’re gonna let you make mistakes. It’s like a wise grandparent. Um, but, you know, if you want our help, like we’re here, um, I think in the Japanese culture, they call them Cami Camis. Um, but yeah, I, I think. It is interesting. Yeah.

Guy:
Very interesting. No, absolutely. I agree with everything you’re saying. Do you have images of those things that you unpacked, you know, when you were speaking about how conscious, do you have the images of that in your book or things that people get a reference from?

Dana:
see. Um, yeah, the only. If I could afford an artist instead of ai, I would’ve done it. But I, you know, hadn’t used AI for most of my images ’cause I didn’t have money. Um, but actually, let me get my color book. Hold on. where’s my color? Is this the color one yet? It, my

Guy:
Oh, that, that’s a big book, mate.

Dana:
Yes.

Guy:
Holy shit.

Dana:
Mm-hmm. It’s 600 and. Oh God. Everyone’s gonna be a

Guy:
Yeah.

Dana:
theist about this, but it’s 666 pages, but there’s also the number for balance and heart. It’s

Guy:
It’s no, absolutely triple numbers. Triple six is not, is a good thing.

Dana:
but yeah, like I have, like, like for instance, I have like, um, image about how like I relate plasma to the holy grail and the cup, which is

Guy:
Yeah. Okay.

Dana:
this

Guy:
Yeah.

Dana:
and then the Holy grail. Um, and like about my theories, let me find a picture. Of the, there’s so much in this book like that I

Guy:
I.

Dana:
about. ’cause it’s, there’s just too, like too much to talk

Guy:
It is dense, huh?

Dana:
Yeah. There’s one photo I wanna show that that’s really cool. When I was talking to you about the plasms spheres, like when I was talking about like how, you know, there’s like, uh, some kind of like dimensionless plasmasphere, which is like colorless

Guy:
Yeah.

Dana:
can be like activated almost by consciousness.

Guy:
Huh.

Dana:
of reminds me of like a light bright or like a, you know, computer screen. But once again, I do not think it’s a computer. Um,

Guy:
that, that’s fine. I’ll have, I’ll have to order a copy of your book, Mike, ’cause I, I’m intrigued to see how you, how you’ve unpacked that. Oh, there you go.

Dana:
images. Yeah.

Guy:
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dana:
Fun stuff.

Guy:
How long did it take? So how did you end up with that book? You just download and free write it or what, or.

Dana:
Yeah. Like it was, I mean, it, it literally was in me from the moment I meditated that day. Like in, when was it? 2021. Like I literally like a few days later made the first picture of the book because my higher self kind of came through and was like, you’re gonna write a book called a New Force Bowel Plasma. You know, it’s gonna be, you know, one book that, you know, helps change the world or push the world forward, whatever. Um, and it, you’re gonna co-create it in your reality, like in your own way. Like it hasn’t been created yet in your reality. And then when I, it took me four years to actually write it, ’cause I didn’t, you know, come out about this stuff right away. You know, it took me three years to even talk about this online because I was

Guy:
I was, I was gonna ask you about that as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Dana:
Yeah. And then

Guy:
step. Huh?

Dana:
in one year. Yeah. I wrote it in like nine months.

Guy:
What, what happened? What have you noticed in your life since you just kind of went like, fuck it, I’m just gonna be me and, and put all this out there and talk about it?

Dana:
My life is completely blossomed, but with more light comes more darkness. And I think people forget that. And I think that’s where the quote, be careful you wish for comes from like, but I once again also think it’s just the darkness of the soul that we all have to go through. If we wanna get to that more actualized self

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Dana:
self. Like, because I’ve suppressed so much, like, so much darkness within me, you know, and feelings have come out that I’ve had to work through. also when you’re, you know, you know, becoming more public, I guess you could say, like, you know, a lot of those more, there’s more temptations, more, you know, you could get validation at any moment just from looking at a notification. And it’s about learning how not to get validation from those things and how to keep a normal, grounded life. You know, keep the friends that really matter and, you know, not be, become obsessed with like fame or ’cause all that stuff is so fleeting and being grounded in your curiosity and not, you know, becoming friends or gain going somewhere just because you think it’s cool.

Like, stay with what makes you curious and feels like you and you’ll always be on the right path, I feel. And you’ll make missteps along the way, you know, like there’s things I. wanna go to that. I went to just to go to, and you know, people I didn’t wanna hang out with that I hung out with just to see how it would be like. That’s fine though. That’s all you know, that in life is contrast and it teaches you what you really want. But, but I will say overall though, it’s led me to like anything I could have dreamed, you know, I mean, I, you know, afford my apartment with my book money. I literally was living with my mom last year. Um, I.

Guy:
That’s huge.

Dana:
I could, yeah. I mean, if I wanted, I

Guy:
It’s fantastic.

Dana:
I wanna go, I should more than I’m writing another book, so I’m not doing that right now. But yeah, just, and I mean, I feel more myself than ever. I can, you know, take a acting class if I want, I can write a fantasy book. I, I just feel like I can do whatever I feel free.

Guy:
Yeah. No, that’s beautiful mate. It is. It is. Once you, once you declare, that’s for sure. Yeah. No, I’m the same. My life’s changed so much since I’ve just. Being openly just kind of doing my thing

Dana:
Yeah.

Guy:
uh, it goes on a completely different trajectory, you know?

Dana:
Right. It’s not always glamorous. Right. And it’s not like you

Guy:
No.

Dana:
way every si, but it’s okay. Like you become okay with not getting your way. ’cause you realize it’s actually meant to be that. Like it’s, it’s, it’s about living in the mystery.

Guy:
Absolutely. And if it’s one thing, like I’ve just gone turn 50, right? My life is like, I’m like, oh yeah, thanks. I’m like, holy shit. Like where did the last 20 years go? Yeah. But now for me, it really is about embracing and capturing moments and just being as present as I can

Dana:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
not. Getting hooked into any of the, the fear-based paradigms of never having enough, or I’ve gotta get this done. And that, that state of busyness, you know, that keeps you distracted. You know, for me, they’re all symptoms of a, of a healing that isn’t there. To be honest, that hasn’t been, um, resolved yet. I mean, that’s what I’m finding.

Dana:
I agree.

Guy:
it’s, yeah, it’s precious. It’s very precious.

Dana:
Yeah. The busyness thing, I’m still healing. Like today, for instance, I was riding all day, but then I laid on my couch for an hour and I caught my own thought process feeling very bad about laying on my couch, and I was like, oh, you should have written a little more today. You should have. Done this or, oh, you should shower before your interview. Like, what the heck are you doing? And then I was like, stop. I was like, I’m allowed to relax. This is not hustle culture. And ’cause Hollywood can be very hustle

Guy:
Right.

Dana:
it’s like, it’s like, no, I’m allowed to relax. Like, what the fuck? Like I yeah. Just reminding myself like, I love you. It’s okay that we’re taking a nap. Like everything’s fine. Like you’re living your life for you.

Guy:
No, it’s great. And you, you’ve turned up completely 100% yourself, which is what this all about. And if you hadn’t, it would probably be something off. Right. You know, so it’s a podcast. It’s definitely not a Hollywood production. This one that’s for sure.

Dana:
like, I think it’s so important to be on and off camera. I think the only thing I’ve heard from people when I’m, when I’m in person as their friend, they hear is, oh, you’re a little less like whimsical. Like you’re a little bit more monotone. But that, that’s just like when I’m like with my friends, it’s almost like, I would call it like unmasking. Like I just feel comfortable where I don’t have to like, you know, maybe be entertaining a little bit. So I’m more like, well, or, or maybe that I’m just nervous around them, so I’m more monotone, right? If it’s like a guy friend or something. But besides that, I mean, I’m literally the same. You can ask anyone.

And I’ve been the same since I was like five years old. Um, even though I’ve grown. Uh, but I, oh, I was saying I think it’s so important and I’ve heard, I’ve inspired people humbly this way where I talk about, you know, smart concepts and spiritual concepts, but I look like this. And they’re like, I never thought because I look like this, that I could do that. Like, you, like I thought I had to be buttoned up ’cause I’m from London or like, I thought I had a, you know, get my PhD and now, but scientists take you so seriously, like that’s crazy. And I’m like, anything can happen when you’re yourself.

Guy:
Exactly. No. Good on you. And before we wrap up the podcast, if people wanted to just. Play with the idea of plasma or concept in their own life. Any, uh, any direction you could point them into, like through the day or like, is there anything you’ve noticed?

Dana:
Yeah. Um, well I do think learning about it in science is good for anyone. ’cause the way it works with electromagnetic waves is how this finer plasma of reality works with our consciousness. So you can actually apply those patterns. To yourself. Like the number one thing is pla and I didn’t talk about this much, is plasma in science response to a neutral curiosity or play. And it’s like, uh, the children get into the gates of heaven type of thing, like, um, or the divine child archetype. So plasma, this company called Reme, R-I-M-E-R-E, they were studying plasma and making these, you know, plasmin things. But that’s besides the point. When they would get really excited about the machine, it would shut off. when they were more, you know, neutral about it and just curious, but like had a stable nervous system, that’s when it kept working. And they also were studying plasma and different modes of consciousness, like different emotions and it responds the best to like, um, I would say like a joyful play, but not an o It’s like not over excitement.

You know how when you get overexcited you usually lose the opportunity, you get overexcited about it, which is so annoying. So it’s not that it’s more of a calm play, like a wise. Child, like a grandparent mixed with a child. So yeah, plasma responds to that. So I would say literally all you have to do, and my book was originally gonna be called this, but then I was like, no, is be your, be you, be yourself. All you have to do is be you. And if you don’t know who that is, remember or figure it out. And that healed you, that whole you. Will organically work with plasma. You don’t have to know anything about plasma really. But, but it is fun to learn about ’cause it is the future and it will be in many future technologies and also, you know, discussed in the future as far as what we do work with, with our consciousness. Um, but yeah, really just be yourself. And then I guess the other thing would be, uh, I think the closest thing where I’ve felt plasma with my energy field is practicing Qigong or Qigong. ’cause that’s moving your own plasma energy.

So doing Qigong or Qigong and nervous system regulation are great if you wanna start feeling it. Or third. And it’s hard for me to tell people, ’cause once again, this kind of came to me, right? But I found it through meditation. So if you wanna, I didn’t even have to send intention, but if you wanna maybe send intention, Hey, plasma, you know, womb. Woo, creation energy of the universe. I would love to have a visual and feeling experience with you. I’m open and then you really have to let go. You cannot have expectations. It will come to you, but you like really have to be in a state of what’s called a negative capability, which is. Is like holding a state of tension of what you want, but also not grasping for it. So it’s kind of like planting the seed. Just like when you’re planting a flower, you don’t think, oh, grow, grow, grow all day. Right. You plant it, you water it, and you go about your day.

Guy:
Totally. No, I love it. Do you know what’s coming to me is, um, telekinesis as well? ’cause

Dana:
Oh

Guy:
you know, like, um, ’cause myself and my daughter, she’s five and a half. Um, we’ve been practicing sticking coins to the wall with telekinesis and she can do it like,

Dana:
Yes,

Guy:
like it is. Got to the point now, and, and I’ve done it once or twice, but the. When you try too hard and you’re, you’re just in that space, it, it, it doesn’t happen.

Dana:
It’s about believing you can. And so it’s funny, my friend, I think her name’s Carly, she’s just my friend. It’s a girl in my community, but she just, and she’s becoming my friend, she’s telekinetic and she can stick the coins to the wall, and

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Dana:
might do a teaching in my next magic class about this, which is in June. Anyone watching the link is in my bio. Um, but she teaches telekinesis and she sticks coins to the wall, and she said the most important things are being in a state of play and experimentation, but also not being rigid in any way. Like once you make the coin stick to the wall. That way you did it. You cannot think that’s always how you’ll do it. You have to still play with other ways how to do it. You can’t be fixed in the one way. Um, and she also said, oh, there was one more important thing. Oh, she said that if you don’t believe it, it won’t like necessarily happen. So you can even trick yourself and to thinking, oh, it’s science, it’s friction, even though it’s not. that will actually make you do it because it’s like a real thing that you’re believing. Uh, so even if you have to trick yourself into it, that actually makes it happen. So it’s actually that four dimensional energy that trickster energy is what binds it, right? Um, so yeah, I found that really interesting.

Guy:
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. I’ll, uh, keep you updated. How we do,

Dana:
Yeah, yeah.

Guy:
where, where can, um, people, where can we send people to if they wanna get your book or find out more about what you do.

Dana:
Yes. So for people in Australia, if the book does not get delivered there, I’m pretty sure it is on Amazon though. Um, but they’re also, if people need it, translated into other languages. On my Stan store, which is Stan, STAN, store slash Dana Kiel, D-A-N-A-K-I-P-P-E-L. I have signed copies, uh oh, sorry, that you can’t get in other countries. I have, um, PDFs, which is only, this book is like $44. I think the PDF is $27, and you not only get the entire book online, which you can translate in any program you have, but you get a free magic class, which is like a 40 minute class. I teach. And then, yeah, the books are on my link too. You can find ’em on Amazon and then if you’re in the US I have signed books, but for some reason I can’t ship outside of it ’cause it’s expensive. And then I also teach magic classes, uh, so you can find all of the magic classes on plasma and consciousness. Um, and you can find all those links on my Instagram at Dana the Alien, my TikTok at Dana Kippe and my YouTube at Plasma Intelligence.

Guy:
Beautiful. Dana, lovely to connect. Thanks for coming on. It’s been great getting to know you today. Oh, you’re very welcome and lovely. Thank you.

Dana:
I had so much fun.

Guy:
Likewise, likewise.