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Sonja:
We’re coming to the end of this phase of humanity, and I don’t think at this point in our lives, anybody should be messing around. I think we should all get down and get dirty. If we don’t change that trajectory of where humans are at, stuck in addiction, stuck in doom and gloom, stuck in, it’s never worked for me. Then we’re going to go with the flow of what’s happening with earth.

Guy:
My beautiful guest today is Sonya Grace. She’s a spiritual healer, mystic, and she is also a strange straight shooter. I loved her. She’s awesome. ’cause we, we dive into some powerful truths around about why humanity’s feeling stuck right now. The karmic loops that I keep repeating the same pain, which is really fascinating and why she believes we’re at the end of an era right now. This conversation is not only about healing, it’s about responsibility and the chance that we have all to break free and create something new and also create something extraordinary. And that’s what this podcast is all about, right? Be sure to let me know what you think of, uh, this conversation with Sonya in the comments below.

If you’re watching on YouTube, of course. And by the way, you might see on here we’ve got Heart. ’cause they say the longest journey is the shortest one from our head to our heart. And we’ve just actually created a free printout, PDF. Um, we’re making it freely available about this acronym here. It’s actually an acronym with double T as you can see, and there’ll be a link below in the show notes if you want to get that out. It’s the fundamental teachings that we actually start with in all our retreats and all our events. So. Grab yourself one free, print it on the fridge, and they’ll help you get from your head to your heart during every day, which is uh, what it’s all about, right? Anyway, enjoy this podcast with Sonya, much love from me, and hopefully I’ll meet you somewhere in person someday soon.

Guy:
Sonja, welcome to my podcast.

Sonja:
Thank you for having me. I’m very excited to be here.

Guy:
Likewise, like we mentioned off air, I’ve been watching you from afar for quite some time and uh, I always believe in divine timing and I feel today is certainly, uh, gonna present itself in that way for us divine timing. But I’m always curious Sonya, as well. And interestingly enough. I wanted to start the podcast a little bit differently today ’cause I feel like I’ve been going through my own metamorphic again at the moment. sometimes I have to remind myself that I am, it’s happening for me, not to me, and, and be

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
with what, what is when, when you’re in the, the soup, if you like. I, I bring this up because the world right now really can feel chaotic if we tune into it. But I, I, I, I’m an optimist and I love leaning into, know, what’s our potential. And from your, just your spiritual experiences and from your, your life and how you see things, what do you feel is human potential? What are we capable of as humans, as we,

Sonja:
Well, you know, at. I really wanted to talk about this today because there are so many angles I wanna approach on this topic. But to answer your immediate question, what we’re capable of that is the most powerful medicine of all is hope. Oh my God, it makes me cry. It’s like we, we have the ability to have hope. For ourselves, for each other, for the planet, for our community, for the people who lost their home and the flood, whatever. It’s like we have a direct line to hope, and with hope, we generate compassion, empathy, and, and of, and a, um, propensity to survive and what the, our whole society is extremely addicted.

To doom and gloom right now and to what could happen. And yes, I’ve even said in my own work, we’re at the end of this phase of humanity. We are, you know, we came in when Atlantis fell, many of us came before Atlantis fell. We experienced both Atlantis and Laer towards the end of that phase of humanity. And we all signed up. We all said, okay. We’re gonna do this and we’re gonna incur karma. We’re gonna reincarnate lifetime after lifetime. And we did. And here we are. We’re coming to the end of this phase of humanity. Does it have to be like Atlantis? No. Does it have to be like Lumira? No. Is it up to us?

Absolutely. But part of the problem is. Mm, different parts of society is not where we’re at in thinking. It’s stuck in that cycle of doom and gloom. So we have to be inspirational and help people pull themselves up by the bootstraps and saying, no, we don’t have to experience it this way again. We can shift that consciousness and, you know, bravo to the spiritual community that is working on shifting that consciousness. That’s fantastic. But, but the, what I wanted to get at is the root cause. The root cause of much of the dysfunction that we see in our societies is exactly that. We are now a very dysfunctional society. We come from dysfunctional families. We’ve got all kinds of addiction, from alcohol to pot, to to drugs, gaming, texting, shopping, eating.

Oh my God, we’re just so addicted and in that environment of addiction. We have the other groups that become the codependents with the addicts. How can I help you? How can I care for you? Oh, I wanna take care of people. I wanna help people. Well, are you coming from a codependent platform and you just haven’t figured it out yet? Or are you truly working? You know, a 12 step program. Something that’s going to help you get out of that codependency and truly see what it means to be in service. ’cause those are two different things. Some of my most addicted clients are nurses, you know, and, and that’s that codependency thing.

Guy:
It’s such a huge thing that you speak of here and it’s interesting. It’s like we’ve been conditioned to treat symptoms constantly

Sonja:
Yes, yes.

Guy:
get them rewarded for treating those symptoms, which is great. And we feel like we’re actually. Making a difference, and to a degree we might be taking the pain away in, in the short term, but long term it doesn’t feel like it’s changing anything until we get to the roots, until we get to

Sonja:
No, and, and. Exactly, and, and people call me, you know, I work with eight to 10 people a day. I mean, my schedule’s just crazy full. And people will call me and say, well, um, hi Sonia, I’m still in Peru. I did an ayahuasca ceremony and I can’t get, I can’t get out of this space that I’m in. And they’re totally goofed up. Not knowing what they were doing, not knowing what the medicine is, not knowing that they were simply feeding another part of their addicted side that wants to feel something. And that takes me back to why, why are we all searching for this spiritual wow, the the wow factor? What, what are we looking for?

And you know, I know it seems impossible, but I’ve been in this field for 44 years and I have worked with over a million people in my career, and I can tell you that people are not seen and not heard and extremely wounded. In childhood, lots of trauma, lots of, you know, emotional wounding, which is also our karma. Karma is unresolved emotional wounds. So if someone steps into the spiritual, you know, industry, oh, I’m gonna be a healer. I’m gonna do this and I’m gonna do that, but they haven’t done the deep inner processing work. Then then like that call, hi, I am in Peru and I’m totally goofed up and I just did an ayahuasca ceremony.

What? So, you know, it’s like I go, I’m rescuing a lot of these people who are trying to do this stuff, and they don’t know really what they’ve stepped into. They don’t realize that the person in Peru who’s leading the Ayahuasca ceremony, you know, um. Is wounded and totally dysfunctional themselves, and they’re trusting them to go through this ceremony. So I’m like a no drugs person. I’m, I’m totally about getting high naturally and sitting in meditation and raising the frequency to such a point that everybody feels altered because that’s the best place to be.

Guy:
Amen. And that’s coming completely from within. coming from us

Sonja:
Yes.

Guy:
ourselves, isn’t it?

Sonja:
Yes, yes, I was, I, I had, I have a, a, um, once a month, a meditation called the Meditation Peace Project. And it is designed for, you know, people who sign up to sit with me for an hour. We go into a deep state of peace. And I said to them this morning, what is it people are looking for when they are going off into this spiritual industry? What are they looking for? And I said, every time you figure out what it is you’re looking for, it brings you back around. Peace. I wanna feel peace. I don’t wanna have pain, I don’t wanna suffer. I don’t want to feel at odds with my partner or my people. It, it’s really about finding peace, you know? And I, and I told the people that were with me today in my meditation, I said, I’m so proud of you guys because this is really what it’s about.

It’s about sitting in the center in a state of peace, not engaging in duality, not going to this side going, they’re right. Oh yeah, I believe it. No, this side’s right. I, you know, it’s like the, the duality that pulls us apart and keeps us from that place of, of observation. Yeah.

Guy:
it if I had. Like I’d be pump what they call, I was thinking like a cheerleader. I can’t remember the names of the things that they shake around. pumps. That’s what I’d be pulling them out right now, after exactly what you said because, but everything you say and um, reflected in my own journey in that. Once I, once I got it and actually was starting to go within, I was, been blown away and I’m still blown away that the, what my energy feel can hold and the resonance and the wounds and the ancestral wounds and the calmers and the different things that have slowly been clearing over time. And what that’s

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
ma made me feel so at home in my body and at so at peace for myself. My whole world is completely flipped and changed from that

Sonja:
Yes, because yes, because when we go after the deficit that’s inside of us. The inner child who didn’t feel seen or heard or valued or respected or trusted. And we start to heal that on the inner, everything in the outer changes. And you know, I’m, I believe that from the time we’re in the womb until we’re three years old, we’re imprinting everything about our parents. We get all their psychology and that overlays our karma. So our karma mixes in with that, and it becomes our own psychology. And from four years old on, we’re simply repeating cycles. We’re going through the motions. So even as adults, we are creating Broadway level productions to reenact the emotional wounds from childhood.

It’s insane. It’s insane. That’s why I tell everybody, you know, I get it. You wanna reach Nirvana. The way to Nirvana is do the inner work. Get at those emotional wounds, excavate them from the body and make space for, for new stuff. Yeah.

Guy:
Get into the weeds, right? The stop, get into the

Sonja:
Yeah. Big weed.

Guy:
Look, everything you say, because. I’m trying to think of the right way of framing this because it really feels like we’re spiritually devoid in Western society. We’re so distracted that we are, there’s no reverence to, to spirit, to earth, to these innate connections that see across so many indigenous ancient cultures that, that, that connection was there and that was the guiding light. And we’ve become so reliant on the mind and the thinking brain that we’ve. Yeah. Completely severed the body, the heart wisdom, and the connection to source that’s ever

Sonja:
Right.

Guy:
And I think for me, once I had a sniff, or once I actually started to experience that connection through healing a wound, that got me really excited and inspired to lean into these, these very things and break my own addictions to whatever they might be at that time,

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
know? And a lot of them were just

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and my own stories that I’d.

Sonja:
Right, right, right. We get, we get addicted. We get addicted to the pain. That we were in, we’re not even in that pain anymore, and we’re still talking about it. You know, we experience so much loss and so much hardship and so much suffering in this world, and all people want to feel is good. They wanna feel good. They wanna feel like they’re acknowledged. They are valid. They are special. All of those things drive society to what is an overlay of competition addictions. Oh, let me advertise the heck out of that. So you become addicted to it and yay, we made a lot of money and you’re addicted. It’s like, we’re we, we’ve got all these overlays.

So how do we cut through that? How do we get around? The competition and the feelings of inadequacy, just like you’ve said, we have to go within, we have to sit in meditation. I, I don’t care how boring it is, we, it’s, it is the place in my humble opinion, that we can get at all that we need to get at. And the reason we came here clear back at the beginning of this phase of humanity. Was to connect with the earth. That is our main purpose, is to connect with the earth. Her energy comes up and affects our electromagnetic field. Our energy should be going down into the earth. Grounding in her. Oh my God. It’s like so crazy how far people have gotten from the very natural element that.

That makes us magical. Really. I mean, you’re from Wales, you know that the land there is fricking magical. Yeah,

Guy:
Were you with these gifts that you have and this the spiritual path, or did it come

Sonja:
yeah.

Guy:
a later point with an awakening or.

Sonja:
No, yeah. No, I was born this way. Um, and, and I, um, I, you know. I was, I was a, I grew up on a farm. I, I was totally in my own world. ’cause I saw I could, I can, I could see, hear, feel, smell, and taste, everything in the unseen world. So I’m having conversations with all kinds of stuff when I was a kid and my poor mom didn’t really know what to do with me other than she threw me in ballet class and. I ended up training and dancing as a professional ballerina for about 15 years. And then, you know, I was also an artist, so I was painting and showing my art, and I trained with three different teachers over the span of probably 10 years. And, um, I, you know, I, they helped me identify these gifts. And learn how to manage this ability that I have, manage it from a place of authenticity and, and, and truth. I mean, yeah, really important stuff.

Guy:
yeah, I was gonna ask you that because I’ve had obviously many conversations on you and some, a few people have been born with gifts, but many have tried suppressing it and didn’t and run away from it, and turned to drugs and alcohol. Didn’t know what to do

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
have any encouragement or any space. that like for you or was it that you, are you

Sonja:
Oh, sure. I had a 10 year run in my life.

Guy:
okay?

Sonja:
Well, yeah. As a, as a professional ballerina, you know, I mean, smoking, drinking, and everything else in between because you’re, I mean, I was, I was so young and I was trying to manage all this stuff, and I had no one in my life to help me. I had no one to guide me. Yet, I would walk down the street with friends and go, how come there’s yellow all over that person’s face? And that other person has purple all around them? And everybody would look at me like, what is happening to you? So yeah, I went, I went through my, my wild tenure spree. Sure, sure.

Guy:
all have that potential to, to allow us to be that connected, to source to spirit like the human

Sonja:
You know.

Guy:
do you think it’s of a different soul

Sonja:
You know, at first, okay, the, yeah, the first thing I wanna say is we are infinite souls having a human experience. So how much more spectacular can we get? We’re infinite souls. Oh my God. What does that mean? That means we’ve always been, we will always be. And when we die and we go to heaven and we reconnect with God the creator. The goddess when we connect we’re, we’re like getting, you know, our battery recharged and then we come back. Now there’s an interesting point. We’re not coming back after this lifetime. Many of the children being born will Harold the next phase of humanity. But for most of us, this is our last time. And I know a lot of people out there are excited about that because they don’t wanna come back.

But I’m gonna tell you that we are always connected to the goddess, and that is Earth. She has a round blue body that is beautiful and it’s, and it’s, it’s incredible. It keeps us alive. But when that body is no longer, she will move to another body. Out in the universe and we will go to her. There we are tethered to her. That’s why it’s so important for us to go outside and to talk to her and to give our prayers to her and ground our energy in her. It’s so important, and I do think that everybody has an empathic ability. Everybody is wired in such an incredible sensitive way. What makes us each individually different is we each have different karma that we’re here working out.

You know, I was a house painter in one life and, you know, you were a, a, a singer. I mean, those are two different paths of things that we have to work out. The connections that we have is you felt you experienced abandonment. I experienced abandonment. You experienced betrayal. I experienced betrayal. So we connect on those emotional feelings, but the karma of the action was different.

Guy:
Have you been able to experience and see your past lives? Have you been able to,

Sonja:
Oh yeah, I do past life readings for people. Yeah. Yeah, when I, when I read past lives, it’s literally, it’s wild. It’s like a hologram opens up in my office and I’m seeing what happened to the person and how they died, and you know, who they, I see all of it, and then I just blab it out, like, don’t talk to me while that’s happening. And then I blab it out and tell them what happened. And then, you know, again. You know, it’s so hard to do some of these things and tell people what you’re able to do because there’s so many people who don’t yet believe or trust in this kind of thing. And all I can say to those people is when you learn to trust yourself.

You will hear me, you will hear this. It’s a lack of trust of your own intuition that causes you to feel uncertain about things in this realm. But I am able to go in and clear karma from a past life and I, I’ve had some wild experiences with people who have gone in and cleared something karmically. Uh, for example, these two women in Canada called me and said, our brother has just gone missing in action. We haven’t talked to him in years. He hasn’t called mom in years and we’re really worried about him. I went in. Cleared some things. Karmically saw the lifetime where all of this stuff had happened and they called me the next day and said, you’re not gonna believe what happened. I said, yes, I am. And they said, they said, our brother out of the blue, called our mother and told him, told her that he had a dream.

And the dream he recounted was exactly the past life that I had told them about. It was wild and it brought the whole family back together. Yay.

Guy:
Wow. Wow.

Sonja:
Yeah. It was cool.

Guy:
That’s amazing. That’s amazing. I, I,

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
I, I understand where you’re coming from as well about people believing or not, and where the information comes from. ’cause once, if you’re not in that space for me, like. Once I started having experiences, then it really opened the door to go, oh my gosh, if this is happening, what else is possible? So it, it, it, it really opens into that curiosity and possibility. And that’s why I love talking to people like yourself because over the journey, it’s almost like the, the, the perception of reality is widening for me over time. It’s slowly happening, you know, and it’s just,

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
it fascinating. That’s what I’m always curious about. People like yourselves and, and what is the potential from, from those aspects as well. ’cause even when I went to your website, it talked about spirit traveler and the documentary and different things and going back

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and I was like, oh my God. Like I felt, I felt excited. I mean, what, what does all that mean? Could you explain that? Break that down a little bit for us,

Sonja:
Well, yeah. Uh, years ago I. Was at, I was at the WUA Mountains, which is eastern Oregon with my husband, and we were in a cabin and it was maybe an hour before nightfall we were gonna have dinner. I said, I wanna sit down and. Just do a like a 20 minute meditation, just gimme a little bit of time, then we’ll go make dinner. And he sat down on the porch. He’s like, yeah, great. No problem. I’m sitting on this little wooden bench, you can hear the creak going by. It was just beautiful. And I go into meditation and my guides who are high angelic beings, it’s the only thing I work with are angels. They hold their hand out and they said.

We want you to experience something. And as they held their hand out, my body just like dissolved. Like everything just kind of merged into the air and dissolved. And I was like, okay. And I took their hands and we went up and up and up and up and up. And I could feel it. I could feel like heroin and all. It was weird. And we just kept going up and up and I’m like, where are we going? And we got to what they said was the center of the universe. And I’m like, wow, this, I mean, my mind was blown. And the Ant people, uh, I talk about them in my spirit traveler books. I call them the savr, but they’re literally, they look like ants, but they are people, so I call ’em, they’re the ant people, and they’re mostly known out at Hopi.

I’m adopted at Hopi. I’m married to a Hopi man. You know, I’m, I’m Choctaw and Cherokee, half Norwegian. So anyways, I have all this native. Sort of practice that goes on in my life. But there were the aunt people at the center of the universe and they said, we want you to, we want you to experience this. And I go, what? And they said, we want you to step into this space. And it was like this milky substance. And I was kind of scared, you know? And I looked at my guides and they said, yeah, it’s okay. And I stepped into that space. I kid you not. There are no words to express to you the level of bliss that I went into. I mean, unbelievable from head to toe, total bliss.

And I’m in this space going, I’m never leaving here. I’m never coming out of this. And then all of a sudden my guides are like, we have to go. I’m like, no. So anyways, I take their hands. We thank the roc and we go back down. It was five hours later. I know. And my husband was sitting in, in the dark holding vigil for me. It was wild. That was wild. Yeah. So that was the beginning of my spirit traveling. Now when I spirit travel. I, I can’t go anywhere until I’ve gone into meditation and my whole body has literally dissolved like grains of sand into everything in the room. And then my guides give me their hand and we literally go back in time.

And I’ve gone back to, you know, the pyramids. I’ve gone back to Atlantis, I’ve gone back to, I’ve gone back to 250,000 BC I mean. I’ve gone off planet, my really, my Spirit traveler books. You guys should read ’em. ’cause they’re, there’s some very interesting information and stuff that I’ve shared that has since then been confirmed. I remember, um, in my first spirit traveler book I wrote about cheats andit in, um, in Mexico and the, uh, the Temple of Kuk Kan. We went to the Temple of Khan and I looked at our guide and I said, have you seen the pyramid inside the Temple of Khan? There’s another pyramid in there, and he goes, oh. How do you know that?

And I said, here’s my book. Read it. And, and then I, it was so funny. He’s just shocked. And I said, have you seen the cenote that’s under that pyramid? Nobody knows that. How do you know that? So anyways, I, I’ve had some really great confirmation.

Guy:
moly. How do you like, I’m just thinking selfishly here. ’cause I’ve had a couple of experience where I’ve had my body completely dissolve it was randomly, like, it woke me up in the middle of the night after

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
my awakening journey was going. And you know, I, I absolutely freaked out. Oh, like th this is not like it was, I mean, it was as real as this, but it, it, it just

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
But I’m,

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
are closed and I’m like, I’m a here, am I not here? I’m just trying to be with it. But it,

Sonja:
Right.

Guy:
I, I pulled myself back ’cause it’s like you know, time out. What, what’s going on here? Hi.

Sonja:
It’s because of your heart. When, when we dissolve like that, it is, it is because there is such an opening in the heart and, and, uh, for your listeners, whether you’re super skilled or you’re just new to everything, the greatest. Power of all that we have is our love. That is the greatest power of all. And when we sit in meditation and we really sit in that heart space and we allow our love to expand, we, we are moving into that vibration that you’re talking about. So we can then literally dissolve because. You know, I mean it, watching enough TikTok and YouTube, you’ll hear enough people say, we’re just living in a big hologram, which is like we are, I’m telling you, we, my husband and I were outside in our backyard one night being in Arizona, you can see the stars like super, super bright, and I’m looking up and I said.

Do you see that? And you know, let’s say a star is like this big, this thing was this big and it was white. And I go, do you see that? And he goes, yeah, what is that? And both of us felt it. We were just like shocked and all of a sudden, I kid you not, it was as if someone zipped. The bag back up and that thing went away. So in other words, here’s this white object, and it was like someone just took a zipper and closed it and the sky was dark again. Man, that, that was the, that was the one experience in my life that made me fully believe. This is, this is a holo. This is a hologram. This is like something else. Yeah.

Guy:
And so, so you are saying, and I, I wanna highlight this for the, the listeners, the way to get

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
to start experiences. The best place to start is within the heart and start to really focus on

Sonja:
Oh, yes. To get your energy grounded and then sit in the heart space and feel that love really expanding. Because it, it, I mean, I, I, I, it, it’s so simple. And this is what I wanted to say to you when I wrote you that email. Five Ways to Happiness, 10 Ways to a Better Relationship. You know, 12 Ways to Prosperity, oh my God, how many ways, you know, it’s like I’m up to here with all the ways, and my, and my feeling is just get yourself grounded. And go into your heart and expand your love. That’s all you need. I’m telling you. Well, you need the inner work, so call me for an appointment. But, but,

Guy:
the thing though, Sonja, like and I, I, because. I get at our events, they’ll come in, but they’re so in their head, they won’t even know what that means

Sonja:
mm-hmm.

Guy:
to, to, to really connect with the heart. Like it’s like, like

Sonja:
Because we’re so disconnected between the heart and the head.

Guy:
I know.

Sonja:
You know, we are. And that goes back to addiction. That goes back to how long can I stay on my phone? It’s keeping me feeling like I’m alive and feeling alive. Let’s talk about that. What do you think happens in the womb? That gives us the signal that we’re alive. Any ideas?

Guy:
No idea.

Sonja:
Okay, so while we’re in the womb, mom is going through everything. Maybe she’s scared she didn’t wanna have a baby, or maybe she’s scared because she’s having her first baby. Maybe she’s compulsive obsessive and she’s kind of going through a lot of anxiety. Maybe dad is upset, doesn’t wanna have a baby, or maybe dad is working hard and he’s never there. That baby in the womb is experiencing and overall feeling lots of feelings, but an overall feeling. And when we’re born with that link, let’s say the link is fear. That baby comes out into the world now, no longer in that cosmic spaceship called the womb, no longer trying to navigate, okay, I just came from God and I’m on this great, you know, I’m in this rocket in inside this human being, and I’m gonna be born.

The baby is trying to figure out what do I need to feel to be alive? That link, like fear becomes the lens of which the baby experiences everything all the way through their life. So think of people that you know, or yourself where you have manifested, situation after situation, friendship after friendship, relationship after relationship that has ended. In some kind of fear element, like I feel fearful. He left me. I feel fearful. I was rejected. I feel fearful. You know, nobody loves me. Everybody’s gone. Okay, so, so all we’re doing is we are affirming that we’re alive. I know, like brain explosion.

Guy:
So. Just from a science, uh, my brain’s

Sonja:
Science.

Guy:
the science side of things for a

Sonja:
Science. Science, yes.

Guy:
that information, like I look at it as information. It’s all information. Like if the universe is a field of information,

Sonja:
Right.

Guy:
those, ’cause I remember having a regression and feeling the anxiety of my mom’s financial worries

Sonja:
Yep.

Guy:
in her womb and I felt it release. I was like,

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
wow, like that,

Sonja:
Good.

Guy:
No, I know. When you have those, I remember having that for the first time thinking, oh my God, that was,

Sonja:
Yeah,

Guy:
is that information? Is it in our cells? Is it in our DNA? Is it in our energy field? Like how do you view it? Or is it all of it? I.

Sonja:
well, I mean, you know, I take people back and I do want womb work. I’m doing a workshop about the wild womb that’s coming up in October, but I, I think that people need to. Be guided through a process to get at that information in, in my meditation retreat that I did in Scotland last June, I literally had everybody lay in a fetal position as they were in the womb and we processed that way. Um, and I’ll probably do that with my workshop people as well. Because I feel like the body, you know, like if someone’s in a car accident and they, you know, like this is where they land. Every time they go into this position, they’re triggering that trauma. Think about the trauma. I mean, my God, the traumas that we’ve experienced just from being kids and doing gymnastics or playing soccer and ending up, laying on the field, you know, like all every witch way, it’s, it’s like we have to almost recreate the position and then do the processing work to release it from the body.

Guy:
Yeah, so I, then I think about all the people are in power, the, the, in the governments, uh, right, you know, that, that are in economics in the, the, the pharmaceutical industries, the

Sonja:
That are living with trauma.

Guy:
hurt, wounded children living out as adults

Sonja:
yep, yep. That’s right. I tell people all the time, if you’re afraid to speak publicly, and you’ve heard this from other people as well, visualize everybody in the audience as their inner child. Talk to them because that’s, that is the processing channel that most people are using. You know, we’re in projection, we’re in transference. Oh, you must be my dad. I’m gonna talk to you that way. Oh, uh, you remind me of my mom. I’m gonna talk to you that way. I mean, this is basic psychology and you know, God bless your listeners. You guys are waking up or you are awake, which is great, but there’s a whole big populace out there that’s still doing all this stuff. Projection, transference, you know, getting totally tangled with the emotional stuff and not seeing clearly that they’re in their stuff.

Guy:
Hmm. And ultimately at the end of the day, if there’s a message I want to, like a take home is that the, the key to all this is to go into the stuff and release it, which will

Sonja:
Oh yes, a hundred percent. Yes,

Guy:
more groundedness, and then open us up to different spiritual experiences. But we come from a place of non wounded and healing as opposed to a place of bypassing or running away from it.

Sonja:
a hundred percent. A hundred percent. You know, when I get clients that have had something’s flying in the room, when I get clients who’ve had, they’ve had, um, really bad trauma in their childhood, they are terrified to face that trauma and I am very careful and very, uh, meticulous about how to get them there. And helping them process to get at that trauma. I one client, she used to say to me, I’ve done 35 years of therapy and in one session with you, I got more out of it than 35 years of therapy. And you know, 40% of my clientele are psychologists and doctors and surgeons. People in the medical field, and I know why, and it’s because I really go in there and get at the stuff rather than, oh gee, you had a problem. And you know, like, let’s just smoke,

Guy:
Yeah, get back to the wound.

Sonja:
get back to, I mean, get in there and get it done. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah.

Sonja:
I mean, I, I don’t mess around. And, and I don’t think at this point in our lives, anybody should be messing around. I think we should all get down and get dirty. Because if we don’t, if we don’t change that trajectory of where humans are at, stuck in addictions, stuck in doom and gloom stuck in, it’s never worked for me. Um, the, then we’re going to, we’re gonna, you know. Go with the flow of what’s happening with Earth. We’re gonna go with what the trajectory is with this planet, which is a lot of different things could happen. You know, we have a few earthquakes, few uh uh, volcanic eruptions, and boom, we’re in a new phase of humanity. Or we could have a whole bunch of comets at the earth. You know, we have a UFO headed for Earth. I’m sure you’ve heard that in the news.

Guy:
I think, um.

Sonja:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we got a lot of stuff that could happen and I feel very passionate about. It’s time we take responsibility for all that we are good, bad, and otherwise, and create the reality that we want.

Guy:
Hmm. Yeah. Do you feel like

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
this going on and the, the soup that we are in, uh, did this, there’s been different, obviously. ’cause I have a podcast, I, I keep an eye on other podcast conversations just

Sonja:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and many are saying there’s gonna be intervention at some stage as if aliens are gonna come and actually step into the planet and say, okay, enough is enough here, guys. You know? And. Uh, do you think something like as radical as that could, could be happening in this lifetime? I mean.

Sonja:
I, I think that the, the disclosure of aliens is going to be from aliens. It’s not gonna be from humans. Uh, the humans who know about aliens, who have been working with aliens, and, you know, all, all of those. People are not going to give it up. They’re going to hold onto it to the last breath, and I believe it is the aliens who will step forward. Just like the incident in Florida, in the mall, everybody saw the footage. It’s like. Those kinds of events will happen, and I think there’ll be a big disclosure. The thing I don’t trust is I don’t trust aliens.

Guy:
Oh.

Sonja:
Um, they, they, they are like humans in that they have an agenda. They want our water. They want our natural resources, they want our tissue samples. They wanna build hybrid species. They’re super evolved. They’re super smart, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re benevolent because they are not. And I, I am very cautious. With all things alien. I think that, um, there is a lot of enslavement in our galaxy that people are unaware of, and I feel it’s important that we remember we are infinite souls. Remember that? Because it, that is more than. Anything. I mean, that is just fricking spectacular.

Guy:
Exactly. Exactly. So I,

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
if there’s one take on message, ’cause obviously we’re in such a uncertain time and everything is unknown, is really. Flip the lens and bring it back to ourselves and work on the healing and work on the remembrance of who we truly are and that we will.

Sonja:
Yeah, that’s right. And, and the, the idea of purpose. God, what’s my purpose? Your purpose is to love at the deepest level of your being and to be with the earth and communicate with her and to be in this human form, evolving it through love and consciousness and grounding. I mean, it’s just, yeah, it’s so important. We wanna be special and we wanna be individualized. Oh, I’m this, and well, you know, AI told me I was the chosen one to do blah, blah, blah. I mean, I’ve heard so many wild things and I just want people to make it simple. Spiritualism is simple. It is so easy, and it’s so simple. We, we just wanna make everything complicated, you know?

Guy:
do.

Sonja:
It’s not complicated.

Guy:
Yeah. No, it’s beautiful, Sonja. I really, um, I really appreciate everything you’ve shared on the podcast today, and I have no doubt,

Sonja:
Thank you.

Guy:
there’s so much to tap into. But just to, to close the podcast and reflecting on the things that we covered, is there anything you wanna leave people to ponder on?

Sonja:
Um, I, I, I would love for everyone to ponder on what are you attached to, what are you attached to? Like, do you feel a pain in your shoulder? Are you attached to it? Do you have some story from your past? You’re still telling everybody that you’re attached to? I, I really am a teacher of give it to God, give it to creator, turn it over. Give it up and, and I mean, every little thing that twinge in your back, give it to God. That thing you’re worried about at work, give it to God, get let it go, because we do not reach nirvana if we are attached. And if that is your goal to reach Nirvana, then you, you must look at what you’re attached to and what you’re holding onto.

Guy:
Wow. I gotta ask you a question. I could just feel people asking me is why, why does being attached stop you from getting to that nirvana state?

Sonja:
To Nirvana

Guy:
surrender state? Yeah. Of that in a peace and.

Sonja:
because it holds you in a certain framework as that human experience. That is not a part of Nirvana. Nirvana is, is like we’re stepping out of, it’s like your body dissolving. It’s like we’re stepping out of the human experience while being human, but if we’re attached to things, we can’t move into that space.

Guy:
Oh mate.

Sonja:
I know you get it.

Guy:
I’ve just got goosebumps when you said it like that. That’s such a beautiful way of framing it I really hope, um, everyone listening today really contemplates on that. That last piece even, let us know in the comments below if you’re watching this on YouTube, what have you found you’re attached to why does letting

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
scare you, you know? it’s beautiful. Sonja,

Sonja:
Yeah.

Guy:
so much for today. My lovely. It’s been just a.

Sonja:
it was so much fun. I feel like I found my long loss relative. I can’t tell you how. It’s great. It’s great. I mean, the karmic stuff here is, is major, so sometime we’ll have to talk about it. Yeah.

Guy:
You’re more than welcome to come back on the show in the future and

Sonja:
Oh, thanks.

Guy:
Uh, where can people find

Sonja:
thank.

Guy:
about your work and where can we send them to?

Sonja:
Um, my website is Sonja, S-O-N-J-A, grace, GRAC e.com. Um, I’m on Instagram, the real Sonja Grace. I’m on YouTube. I have a YouTube channel. I’ve got a podcast on spot, Spotify, uh, called Spirit Traveler. Um, I’m all over the place. You can find me.

Guy:
Brilliant. I’ll subscribe to your podcast. I’m keen to check it out, see what you have to say and all that.

Sonja:
All right. Thank you. Thanks.

Guy:
in the show notes for everyone below, uh, to check out your works. Sonja, thank you so much. What a joy. Thank you.

Sonja:
Thank you. It, it really, it was wonderful. Thank you.