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Richard:
Okta. George King founded the Ethereum Society in 1955, and he founded it to spread the teachings of intelligences from other worlds who had contacted him. It is still pretty controversial, but in those days, in the fifties and especially in London, it was extremely contentious thing to be saying that he was widely ridiculed, but he stuck to his guns completely. He was fearless. And the will come a day and it’s been prophesied in many, many sources when we will have heaven on Earth. But that will be when the great energy of the Mother Earth prevails and we all. Live according to the spiritual laws.

Guy:
Guy here. Today’s guest is Richard Lawrence, a renowned contact researcher and a spiritual teacher has spent over four decades working with the extraordinary teachings of his mentor, Dr. George King. Well, and he was, uh. An interesting guy and, and here we’ll get into it. In this conversation. Richard shares what was predicted all the way back in 1955 about earth awakening the rise of Kundalini, which is also an interesting experience, and the role of benevolent extra terrestrials and how we are being activated right now to serve a greater. Purpose. This is one of those episodes that may challenge what you think, but it might also confirm what you feel to be true as well. Look, fascinating conversation. I love Richard. I love his matter of fact way of speaking and presenting. And yeah, please, if you’re watching this on YouTube, let me know your thoughts in the comments and as always, let me know where you are in the world so we can continue to connect.

It’s beautiful to see, uh, how these conversations are getting out there and enjoyed by many and of course. If you are wanting to find out what we are up to, we’re in New Zealand. We’re gonna be in Croatia this November for a five day retreat. Come and join us. It’s gonna be incredible if you can get there. Also, 2026 is looking phenomenal as we map it out as well. Links are below. If you need any free resources, wanna come to one of our events and so forth. Anyway, much love from me. Enjoy this conversation with Richard. It’s awesome.

Guy:
Richard, welcome to my podcast.

Richard:
Thank you guy,

Guy:
It’s, uh, it’s wonderful ha Mr. Lawrence. to Mr. Lawrence. I know. Speaking off air and I said, oh, this is, he’s gotta be a good chap with a sur like Lawrence. Absolutely no.

Richard:
We have to follow the law with that name. You know, Lawrence, it’s, we have to stick to the law, but it’s the spiritual law.

Guy:
I certainly feel like I’m living my life that way. That’s for sure. You know, if you, if you’re not

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
uh, authenticity and, and really owning your truth, you, you get, I, I found I’ve got knocked around in life, that’s for sure. And every, every time I come back to the universal law and listen to my heart, life becomes a lot simpler.

Richard:
I think we do that through the lives, you know? And, uh, we just keep being steered back, steered back, steered back, be a lot simpler if we just stuck to it in the first place. But that’s why we’re here.

Guy:
I’m a slow learner. I must be, uh, so anyway,

Richard:
I think we all are.

Guy:
to certainly. Well, I’m really excited to get into the conversation and introduce you to the listeners and, and what you’re about, Richard. So I, I’ll ask the same question. I, I love using this one, but if you were at an intimate dinner party and you sat next to a complete stranger they said, oh, hello, what do you do for a living? How, how would you reply?

Richard:
It does happen. Yes. And then they get a shock and there might be an embarrassed silence. Uh, what I do for a living is I am, um, a spiritual teacher. I am, uh, an author of many books, and I helped to run an organization and have done actually for decades called The Ethe Society,

Guy:
Okay. Oh, what is it?

Richard:
and I have a podcast actually called The Spiritual Freedom Show, which I do with Darren Ball.

Guy:
Well, we’ll make sure we’re linked to

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
well. I haven’t listened to it yet, but

Richard:
Thank you.

Guy:
And what’s

Richard:
you.

Guy:
Etherium?

Richard:
Aetherius.

Guy:
Sorry.

Richard:
So it, it’s spelled in the Greek way, A-E-T-H-E-R-I-U-S. It means one who travels through the ether, uh, of space. Uh, it’s the Aetheric realm. And you know, in Sanskrit you’d call it the Akashic realm or level, uh, the subtle level, if you like. And it, it comprises all energy and all, all matter, both physical and super physical. Um, and it’s the name of the organization that Dr. George King founded. And he’s, uh, he’s a wonderful intelligence. He’s, he’s not physically alive now. I was very, very close to him. He founded the Aetherius Society in 1955. And he founded it to spread the teachings of intelligences from other worlds who had contacted him.

And that was, in those days, it’s still pretty controversial, but in those days, in the fifties, and especially in London, it was extremely contentious thing to be saying. Uh, he, he was widely ridiculed, but he stuck to his guns completely. He, he, he was fearless. I mean, he just stuck to the truth, as you were saying earlier, living the truth. And this truth, he had to spread. He wasn’t particularly inclined to it. He wasn’t attracted to like media and, uh, the public platform. He was very. Good at it when he did it, but he just, and he wrote many books and is one of the genuine contact, I think the problem a lot of people have now when they come in and they’re looking into contacts with intelligences from other worlds, is that problem of discrimination because there’s so many claims there, they cannot all be true.

’cause they contradict each other, quite a few of them. So they can’t all be true. And you’ve gotta find a way through it. And some people just get put off, this is just too much. Where do you start? Where do you end? Uh, but you can find out through discrimination. And um, that’s what I did and I’ve stuck to it ever since, which is over four decades.

Guy:
Wow.

Richard:
And, uh, that’s, um, what I’ve done with my life. So this dinner party will either go well, or it’ll be very embarrassing for everyone.

Guy:
Absolutely. I, I, yeah, it’s, it is interesting ’cause when people ask me, I say I, I run spiritual retreats and I

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
get pushed back any, like, most people go, oh, I tend to lean in these days. Which is, which is interesting.

Richard:
Right, and it’s, it changed a lot now and, um, I find that too nowadays most people are open. They’re open.

Guy:
Yeah.

Richard:
Uh, but, but that’s a big difference. I mean, I remember the day, ’cause I, I used to lecture on UFOs and I mean, back in the early eighties, for example, you could be savagely, you could be booed in a lecture hall, um, you could get a lot of flack. Um, it, it was, and other people were with you. And it was really quite contentious. And whenever I did media interviews, which I did a lot on the mainstream media. In those days, they’d always get a skeptic in a disbeliever, in usually an astronomer who had never seen A UFO Um, doesn’t mean they don’t exist though. They somehow, they thought they were an expert, uh, and they just weren’t.

But you know, this is the way they handled it. But things have moved on quite a bit now, and of course there’s also a lot of proof now. And one thing we know for sure is that governments have lied. But I mean, I, I said that then, and Dr. King said it in the 1950s, so he was way ahead of his, of his time. And, uh, he, in my opinion, he stands tall among all claims of UFO contact. He’s not, he’s never said he’s the only one, but he’s certainly a unique one and I would recommend people look into him.

Guy:
Wow. So the thing that I’ve, I find really interesting and I want to explore is that, you know, when you, like, say if you’re speaking about this in the eighties, you’re gonna get booed, right? And ridicule.

Richard:
Could do. You might do. Yeah.

Guy:
more easily ridiculed than because, you know, there’s so much more information available today that we can have these conversations and actually explore the topic first without

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
throwing rocks at it, but.

Richard:
Actually, on one occasion, I, I was having a quite a hard time in a, in a three hour phone in on a, sorry I interrupted you there. In a station. In, in actually in where you came from. Really? In the west country. Um, with a guy called Johnny Walker. I dunno if he was before, probably, possibly before your time Anyway, while we were on Air, UFO came down and, um, beamed down on a car. There were no mobile phones then, of course, but so that kind of interrupted the show and extended the show. And some, some people stopped, um, booing then and laughing because it actually happened.

Guy:
moly.

Richard:
Sorry, I.

Guy:
that’s all right. But I, I guess it’s to, to find, explore way, because you’d have to be very, um, it’s very passionate to, to, to be talking about conversations that time. And where did that come from? Did it come from meeting George King, uh, with your journey of, or.

Richard:
much so. I mean, uh, but my interest was spiritual from the beginning. I would say from the age of 14, and I remember the day I, I, I got up one morning and I suddenly thought, what’s the purpose of life? What’s the meaning of life? And I found two things. I found that the people really, who I would’ve thought should know, such as I went to a school, connected to the Church of England in Canterbury, and I, I was being taught there by the Dean of the Cathedral and people like this. And I, you know, people you would expect might know. They didn’t know. I could see, they didn’t know. I’m not, I’m not sort of decrying that religion or anything, but for me the answers did not add up. And what disturbed me a lot more than that though, was the fact that they didn’t really seem to care. They were quite satisfied.

You’d have people, you know, who, uh, were, um. Quite brilliant in their fields. Might be finance, might be law, might be, you know, you couldn’t fool ’em, you couldn’t sell them a dodgy car or they, they’re very discerning, and yet they would go to church and not question anything in those days. So I, I then started on my quest. I, I particularly was drawn to yoga and eastern philosophy, and Dr. George King was a, a master of yoga. So that was my first way into him rather than the UFOs. Uh, but he was also a UFO Contactee. He’s not the first master of yoga to be contacted by UFOs. There’s always been this connection between space intelligences and spirituality.

You find it in the Bible, you find it in the Hindu scripts. Uh, you find it right across the, you know, in Egypt, ancient Greece, native American traditions. It’s there. So that’s the thing that really drew me to it. And ga, you know, fired me up.

Guy:
Gotcha. And why? Why isn’t Seeing it, is it, you know, because we were speaking about Kundalini off air as well, and this, this energy that moves

Richard:
Oh yeah.

Guy:
and you know, what I found on my own journey, it’s, it’s really kind of, it, it almost expanded my awareness to

Richard:
Absolutely.

Guy:
reality, per se. And what do you think is going on with Is it the, that, that our awareness is so narrow that we, we, we, we don’t stop to. Tune into a different energy field that, or is it simple?

Richard:
You know, I was thinking about that because for many, many years, apart from my spiritual interest, which is the number one thing, and for Dr. King UFOs as a topic was not his main interest. He’d seen them, he’d actually been in one. Uh, he had, he, yeah, he had a lot of experience of it. A lot, but it wasn’t his prime interest. His prime interest was actually the mother earth. Spirituality, the energy from the sun, how we can save the planet, how we can save humanity, that’s service to others, was the thing that that really motivated him. But I was thinking, you know, we, we’ve, I mean, for many, many years, for decades, governments lied.

They’re still not telling the whole truth. Now, but they absolutely blatantly lied and, and this is not me just coming up with a conspiracy theory, it’s, it’s on the record. The Pentagon have admitted it and so have other governments around the world. Now it’s come out, it’s pretty well proven, but a lot of people are, none the wiser. A lot of people now, which they didn’t use to do, will say, yeah, well, I, I believe in UFOs, no problem. But they don’t go to the next stage, which is why are they here then? You know, what’s their plan? Why are they allowing a jet to follow them and, you know, and, and even fire a missile at them, which is a CIA document that’s not, again, a piece of fiction.

And doing nothing in retaliation other than proving there that they exist. What are they waiting for? When will they come openly? Who are they and people aren’t asking. Those are the questions that people really need to ask. Including governments. They’re, they’re nowhere near asking those questions. They’re, they’re too busy worrying about their popularity the next day and whether they’ll win the next election. If UFOs cropped up, their only question would be, will this help me get elected

Guy:
Yeah.

Richard:
or not?

Guy:
So, so what have you discovered on your exploration of this then? Why are they here? Have you, like what, what, what has your contact been with them in your personal journey?

Richard:
Well, I, I’ve had, um, a number of sightings. I don’t claim contact with extraterrestrial intelligences. I’ve been with Dr. King when he’s had contact with extra intelligences. Um, a plan was certainly laid out through the Aetherius of society for continued cooperation. Intelligence, I’ll, I’ll give you one example. There’s a particular craft by the name of satellite number three, which comes into orbit at certain times of the year. And, um, it beams energy to the world and it enhances and it potents. Spiritual activities ’cause their problem the beings from other worlds and why they don’t come down and absolutely take over the world and prove themselves to all people and solve all our problems is because we are here to advance.

We are here to evolve. As I’m sure you’ve discovered through your Kundalini experiences we’re here to to learn. They’re not gonna rob us of the greatest thing there is, which is experience. But if we do make a move, if we do. Pray for others. If we do tune in, if we know about it to satellite number three and you don’t have to know about it to benefit from it, then they can take action. Then they can potent eyes our actions without interfering with us. They won’t interfere with us. They. That’s why this answers the question of why they, they operate the way they do, which is to provide firm evidence. And there is firm evidence of their existence, not only now, but through the ages, but they’re waiting for something. And what they’re waiting for is for us to change.

Guy:
Hmm.

Richard:
And the main way we need to change is service to the whole world and devotion to the mother earth. ’cause the mother earth, this planet is a living. And, and the ancient Greeks were right. They had her at the top of their pantheon of gods and goddesses was Gaia. And they weren’t wrong. They, they, this is way before Socrates and so on. They knew that and they were right. We owe everything to the mother earth, including, I should say, Kundalini, which comes ultimately from her. That’s one of the big, big secrets.

Guy:
So.

Richard:
Which is no longer secret on the guy Lawrence, uh, podcast

Guy:
and many

Richard:
now

Guy:
as well.

Richard:
and others.

Guy:
no, absolutely, absolutely. Um, for me it’s definitely been experiential and then trying to. Piece the pieces

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
work backwards almost. I’m so glad you

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah, I, I was gonna say, I’m so glad you said that about Mother Earth because I, I do feel like these conversations around and, uh, sightings and contact and, and even see it with channeling and, and all sorts of things, which is wonderful, can be a distraction in terms of allowing us to actually dive within ourselves and explore. What,

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
way of that connection? What can we be letting go of to to become more of a service of humanity unless it, unless it

Richard:
Absolutely right.

Guy:
in.

Richard:
It is a gateway and if it’s used in the right way, you know, um, and not, you don’t go down some sidetrack of sort of analyzing pages and pages of government documents and radar trackings and all the rest of it. Once you, once you’ve ascertained that they do exist and they do exist, what matters is why they are here. But, you know, I want to take up, I want to agree with you wholeheartedly because. The Aetherius Society, I, I mentioned what the word Aetherius means, but there is an actual intelligence given the name of Aetherius, who, which was the first contact Dr. King had actually in 1954, and then the next year he founded the Aetherius Society.

So we’re celebrating our 70th anniversary actually this year. Uh, as an organization, not that I was around running it then, but still. Um, now the, there is a quote though from the mastery theorist and from a very early message that he gave Dr. King, which is right up the, the alley, as we say over here of what you just said, which was this, it was reach upwards. Reach outwards, but never forget to reach inwards. And it’s so true because I’m sure you’ve experienced this and I, I bet you lots of people who watch your podcast have experienced this. If you are in a certain frame of consciousness and a certain frame of mind, you can be told something and it makes, suddenly you, you understand it.

It makes perfect sense. In fact, you can understand more even about it than you’re being told because of your state of mind. And another person in another state of mind could be told the same, very same thing. And they either wouldn’t be very interested in it at all, or they just wouldn’t believe it without even knowing. You know, that’s, I mean, I always say that, um, atheism. Uh, which is like disbelief in God. I don’t mean agnosticism, but atheism. Where you, you are, you’re certain there’s no, God is a, is a mental health condition because you don’t know it. You don’t know there’s no God. But when you do certain, uh, advanced practice, if you enter through, uh, Kundalini experiences, a, a somatic condition. You know, there’s God, you can’t prove it to anyone else, but you can tell them how they can prove it to themselves.

Guy:
Absolutely. Absolutely. And you speak of Mother Earth and you spoke about the energy of the sun well.

Richard:
Yes, absolutely.

Guy:
people, they wouldn’t even be aware of these concepts. You know, when they start leaning into spirituality, it might be just, I, I need to silence the

Richard:
True.

Guy:
Why are they such a, why are they such a key component to the work you teach?

Richard:
Thank you. Um, what I’d say is that we are all solidified sunlight. That’s another thing the mastery Theory has said. That’s all we are solidified sunlight. All the energy in this solar system comes either from or through, whichever way you see it, the sun, and this is the provider of all energy on every level, including the Aetheric level. Even the earth, I believe, was created by the sun. Um, and so you could say the mother earth even comes from the sun in terms of her fall. Although she is a living intelligence in her own right who could live wherever she chose. She is willing to live here for our sake, and she’s making a tremendous sacrifice, putting up with awful things, pollute, not just pollution, uh, you know, nuclear conation, which has happened on Earth before.

I mean, if you ever look at the Maha Barta, you are looking there, the old Vedic text, the old Hindu text, you are looking at a description there of a nuclear conation. They, they don’t. Say that because the people who wrote it down didn’t know exactly what it was, but it clearly was. And, and you, you, you get this in many traditions actually across the world. So these things have happened. They have damaged the earth, the earth has put up with it. Uh, she’s doing this to provide us with sanctuary. To provide us with the opportunity safely to gain experience. And we have, uh, reincarnations on earth and some people will remember their former lives. You don’t have to remember them though, by the way, at all.

Uh, but they are part of our evolutionary progress, but. In the future, there’ll come a wonderful time when people will ascend, when people will advance, when people won’t require even reincarnation. I mean, the only reason we have a reincarnation is to hold to, to, to check us because we, we go off the rails so much that we have to die and then sort of be recalibrated and come back in another life to, to learn the experience we should be learning. Dr. King said something, which is a bit wordy, but I think it’s brilliant. He said there’s, we’re having, uh, too many people having too much experience to experience, experience the way experience should be experienced. Sorry about that. But what it means is that experience of itself, like a bucket list or something like that, isn’t necessarily the experience we need.

What we need to be doing is gaining the experience we need to evolve, and that’s what the reincarnation cycle enables. Uh, there’ll come a time when we won’t need that and the earth will change. So the energy from the Earth is all consuming and it will be. Everything really. And one of its greatest manifestations as far as we are concerned is through Kundalini, which you’ve experienced, and when you raise Kundalini, of course, as you know, as I’m sure you know, you aren’t just raising an energy. You are raising an energy, but you aren’t only raising an energy, you are raising a tiny, tiny aspect of a life force. That’s why it’s so fundamentally transformational and that life force is mother earth.

Guy:
Huh. So with the, the first step or the gateway into spirituality then is actually acknowledging Mother Earth.

Richard:
I would say so. And then you asked about the sun, which I didn’t, I didn’t cover really the sun. When you, when as described in the yoga writings, you, you, you raise a kundalini through the shackles. ’cause as you, as I’m sure you know, I’m sure your viewers know as you raise Kundalini, whether you do it consciously or unconsciously. Uh, and by the way, I don’t believe it should ever be forced. There are exercises which try and force it. These can be very dangerous. I wouldn’t recommend that, but if you do it in a natural unforced way, you’ll start to activate all the major chakras. This can actually destabilize you. I dunno whether you’ve ha had that experience, but it can in the first stages, be quite destabilizing because everything is empowered.

Everything within us is empowered unless we be completely pure. It’s not always, um, a wonderful experience, but all these experiences are necessary. But then we, we gradually learn to bring those under control and, and we awaken the chakras, the, as they, as we go higher and higher and higher. And obviously the third eye is a very, very important one, but ultimately we take it up to the highest chakra, which is the Crown Center known sometimes as Brahma Chakra on the top of the head. Now, that should be done very carefully. I’m not, not trying to, it’s suggest people try and do this at the moment. It’s gotta happen quite naturally with the correct exercises and the correct teaching. But when that does happen, you are contacting then, um, you are, you are, you are bringing together this female, um, creative, all encompassing force from the mother earth and joining it with the spark of divinity, which ultimately links us to the thumb.

’cause above the head you could see, you could see the, um, the, the crown really as like a miniature sun above the head so that there is this tremendous link you could say, between the mother earth and the sun, which created her. And when we bring this within our being and within our consciousness. Then we have mastered the experiences. I haven’t done this, by the way, fully. I’ve done it partially. I haven’t done it fully. I’m not advanced enough to do it fully. Dr. King did he ma. He was a true master. And when you do that, you’ve learnt all the experiences you need on this earth, on this cycle of reincarnation, and you can then move on. Life goes on, life goes on through the galaxy and beyond.

Guy:
Interesting. So that like what you’re speaking of is, is Dr. King those states of, is that, would that be enlightenment that you’ve kind of.

Richard:
Yes. It, they, they, they’re called, often called Samad. In the Eastern writings, um, the highest state that any of us can enter is called cosmic consciousness. And, um, you know, I, I’ve had what I call entry level cosmic consciousness. I haven’t experienced it in its entirety, and that’s one thing you will know. If you experience it, you’re no longer guessing then. Um, but it’s taken me a long time. I mean, I’ve been doing this, as I’ve mentioned, for decades, and I only had that experience two years ago. So it’s, but it’s, it’s when it happens, as I mentioned to you, I think perhaps before the interview, it’s a tremendous relief in a way because all the things that you believed, all the faith you had, all the many experiences you’ve had along the way, which have confirmed this to be true, uh, are suddenly realized because then you know it.

And it’s a wonderful thing. It’s a wonderful thing indeed, and every, everybody will and can, uh, reach this stage, of course.

Guy:
Are, are you able to put it into words? Your experience? What, how is experience?

Richard:
Not very well. Not very well actually. It’s a, it’s very hard to put into words because in fact, somebody asked me, I mean, I, I had, um, I had that experience and I had an, uh, sort of sodic, I called it, I dipped my toe in the ocean of samati the previous year and somebody said to me, you know, can, what were you thinking when, when you are in this state? And I said to them, well, you can’t think, you can’t think because you’ve moved beyond thought. You’ve moved into a state, uh, of knowing. So for example, and, and you know what you’re going to meditate on. So one thing that I meditate on, which was, you know, don’t ask me why was a hedgehog. And, uh, I knew that hedgehog.

I’ve never, ever felt the same way about Hedgehog since I think they are marvelous. I, I think they’re wonderful. In fact, I met someone, they came to fix my plumbing and they would belong to the Save the Hedgehog Society. And I, I gave them a warm hug this plumber, because I’ve never met any, I didn’t know the society existed, but I digress. Whatever it is you, you, you focus your consciousness on at that point, and it might be. Something much more sublime. It might be, um, something galactic. It could be certainly cosmic. If you’re, if you’re able to take your, you know, the kundalini even higher than the Christ Center, then I think you do go into a cosmic state of consciousness.

And some people have done that. And I’ve had, as I say, I’ve had an entry level experience of it. But everything, you, you, you know it and you are one with it. It’s then a state of being. It’s not even a state of knowing then.

Guy:
And I was,

Richard:
I, sorry.

Guy:
no, this is beautiful. It’s, I love these conversations. I, I truly, and question would be then for George King, was he that just constant state of being of that state?

Richard:
He was extraordinary. He was extraordinary. Now, one of the things that he always said and that he, he pioneered and he was actually a critic of some philosophies that although he admired the philosophies, he could not understand why they missed this point, which is this, that you need to come, come down from a higher state. And leave that higher state in order to serve. And it, it, it’s pertinent to your question because, you know, if you want to really do something, and he was a very practical man, and, and in part of his service, he would be over, over water with sea, uh, with over sea water or on a boat with engines, with, with, in a car.

He even got into the nitty gritty of, of tape recorders way back, you know, before we had all the technology we have now, he was very functional properties, you name it, writing, publishing, printing, even operated a print machine. So while you are doing these functional things, and as I mentioned, while you are thinking and concentrating, you cannot be in that higher state. It, it that you just can’t be in it, and so you have to leave it. And he said this is one of the big secrets of creation, as a matter of fact, is a, is a secret of the mother Earth. The mother Earth herself could be in an extremely elevated state without the, even the physical structure that we live on. She doesn’t need it, but she’s come down.

I, I’ve gotta compliment you because, uh, I do find it very, um, uh, easy to talk to you guy about all this. It’s very advanced material really, and, uh, thank you for hearing me out. But she, she has come down in order to provide a refuge for humanity. So that’s a, that’s a very elevated example of it. Um, the sun itself, we mentioned the sun is constantly beaming energy. I mean, this sounds ridiculous, but it doesn’t have a day off. Uh, it doesn’t have a break. It doesn’t say, okay, look, I’m going off a couple of weeks. This is my vacation now. It is constantly and permanently beaming energy life, life-giving energy throughout the solar system to everything, not just human beings, to intelligences on Mars, on Venus, on Jupiter.

These are planets. Some people say you couldn’t live on Mars. No, they can’t sustain life. You know, I do a lot of that, as I said, these mainstream interviews, and they’re always looking for, um, what they call the Goldilocks environment, you know, which is like us. And if they can’t find a, a planet that can, has water and is close enough to the sun and so on, then there’s no life there. I forget it, you know, wrong, wrong. There is multi-dimensional life. There is life on Saturn. It’s the greatest life on any planet in this solar system. On Saturn, there’s life throughout the solar system, and the sun is constantly beaming energy to all this life. And while it’s doing that, it’s not dwelling on itself.

So it’s in a sense, and you, you have it with ordinary people too. You had it with Dr. King. Yes. You enter cosmic consciousness several times. But he would bring himself out of it because he didn’t feel right dwelling in it for too long while the earth, the mother Earth was suffering. While humanity was suffering. And he, so this is the mark actually of a really evolved person. And you know, some of these zen Buddhists, for example, masters, you look at ’em in the eighth century and in China and so forth, were constantly, and I think likewise in Tibetan and elsewhere, to, were constantly trying to permanently inhabit this high meditative, sodic level all the time.

They thought, you know, we must dwell in this. They could have relieved themselves as a matter of fact, of a lot of unnecessary stress in a strange way if they just thought, no, we’re here to serve. I’ve experienced that, and the beauty of a spiritual experience is I’m, I’m, I know, you know, this is, it doesn’t go away. It’s not like a physical experience. You have a great physical experience. It’s, it’s very, very exciting. It’s wonderful. Um, but then it’s over. It’s finished. It’s time limited and it’s over. Spiritual experience isn’t time limited. It, it can be very, I mean, a blissful state can last for hours and hours and hours, but you, you need to bring yourself outta these states in order to serve.

That’s one thing a lot of people have said to me, don’t you want to go back? You’ve had this experience, don’t you want to get back into it? This is a very good question. I think, so it’s a, it’s an intelligent question, but I say, well, actually what it makes you want to do is serve others. That’s the main thing that I, I already wanted to before, but I, it’s different afterwards. You know, you are one with all life anyway, so why would you just want to go off and dwell in your own bliss? Yes, you’ll return sometimes, but you really were here to serve and that’s what Dr. King epitomized in his own life.

Guy:
There’s a couple of directions and we could go in here with everything you just shared. Um, I think the first loop I wanna close everyone is that why do we need to descend to then reascend? What is, what is that doing in, in, in the, in the greater universal picture?

Richard:
Well, there’s more than one reason, uh, but I’ll give you one per our, from our point of view, one very simple reason is in order to function. As simple as that. If you’re, if you are in an, a really deep, um, state of sematic consciousness or high meditation or cosmic consciousness, you can’t really physically move. Uh, it, it wouldn’t really be safe to do so even if you could, um, and you are highly sensitized. And you aren’t, as I mentioned, really thinking you, you’ve gone beyond thought. It’s deeper than thought. It’s greater than thought. It’s a super conscious thing. This is where psychologists really went wrong. I think a lot of them is, they know about the subconscious or the unconscious they might call it, and the conscious, but they don’t know much about the super subconscious.

So you, you just, in order to function, in order to do things, in order to drive somewhere, in order to give a run, a retreat, or in order to book a plane or you know, all the things that have to be done, you can’t be in that state. It’s just, so that’s just a functional thing. The other thing is, sorry, I just, there’s another reason you have to come down. And I’m not talking about myself now, but if we talk about the Mother Earth or if we talk about a great master, you have to come down in order to help people, to be honest, who are at a lower level. So the Mother Earth, if she went to her true level now, which she could, and released her true flame, we would all be, we couldn’t inhabit the earth.

The vibration would be so high, we wouldn’t be able to, to cope with this. So she has to bring her own vibrations down. And Dr. King did the same thing actually in a, in, in his own way in order to serve and be among people and, um, you know, be, as I say, functional, uh, and also to be useful to other life. I’m trying to think of a good example, but you know, if, if you had a really, well, you, you, this is a silly example, but if you had a really, really elevated, really refined piece of music, as one or two people have found, actually you could find that, you know, your record label or your whatever, they wouldn’t want to touch it.

This is, this is a, a basic example I’m giving here. So, but if you come down and you reach people at a level that they’re at. They will listen to it. You can reach people and, you know, hopefully they’ll move up to that higher level later on. So forgive the example, but it, it’s a question of a greater soul bringing their own vibrations down to reach a lower soul in order to raise that lower soul up.

Guy:
sure. And I, I, I guess with my question though, I was looking at more from the, the soul’s evolution, so,

Richard:
Okay.

Guy:
the fact that

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
actually descending into this mass to

Richard:
I see.

Guy:
to fully forget to then. Crave that ascension that from that separation to come back to the wholeness. And we tend to do that in

Richard:
Yes.

Guy:
our life cycles. And what does that contributing to the bigger viewpoint, if you like, that that evolution of ourselves, because it, it’s hard

Richard:
Well.

Guy:
we feel that craving is, is

Richard:
It is hard. I quite agree. It is very hard. It’s very detuning and it, it’s regrettable. If you’ve got like people, I’m very, very lucky ’cause I work with some wonderful people here, um, who are very sensitive and very aware of these things. They themselves are having wonderful spiritual experiences too. So if you have a community, if you have others you can share it with who understand or appreciate what you’re saying. You’re very fortunate. Indeed, I come across people who have nobody like that. And I, I mean, I reach out to them as I’m sure you do, and they’re welcome to contact me through my website, uh, which is just richard lawrence.co uk purely, uh, to try and help them so that they don’t feel isolated.

Um, it, it’s a, it is a, it is a difficult thing, um, but. By and large though, to, you know, to get to the n it’s a deep question you ask, I feel. Um, what are you doing? Well, the, there is a beauty, there’s a good thing here that I haven’t mentioned so much, which is you don’t lose your evolution when you do this. If your motive is service. There is a law of karma. You know what goes around, comes around as you so, so shall you reap if you are giving up. Genuinely giving up an elevated state of being to go into a lower state of being in order to serve others. You won’t lose that higher state of being. It’s still there.

It hasn’t gone. And that, as I say, that’s a difference between a spiritual experience and a physical experience, and that’s a difference between activating your chakras mentally and activating them as can be certain ones anyway physically. It’s, if it’s a mental activation, the state is there and you’ll find you can enter it again, and, and not only can you enter it again, when you do enter it again, it’ll be even greater because of the service you’ve given. And that’s the beauty of it. Service is the main and best way to evolve, actually service if it’s spiritual service, and such as through healing, such as through prayer, such as through studying great truth. And even by studying it, your, your empowering higher thought on the mind belt and therefore helping all humanity to some tiny degree maybe, but to a degree, all these things will bring about a natural. Rise of your consciousness, and to some degree, a rise of Kundalini at the right time.

Guy:
Imagine what the world would look like if we actually. We’re taught this and it was

Richard:
Oh.

Guy:
without, uh, an agenda or a kind of human framework, but this is how we are. This is our innate states we can contribute.

Richard:
I mean, this is, this is the, this is the whole, you know, people, let’s say war, let’s come right down many levels, you know, war it, it, it is a re it, it’s, it’s, it is evil. Of course. It’s, it’s painful, it’s disgraceful and it’s completely ridiculous. War really. Uh, you know, what’s is, what’s it about? Just killing a bunch of people on either side who aren’t really engaged in, in the thing. So people think, okay, what’s the answer? And, and they turn to two things. They turn to politics and finance. So they use finance and they use politics to try and bring a solution to try and bring a piece and it’s going on.

And people, some people are trying to do it, and I hope they succeed and we pray that they succeed. But in the end, what has to happen is the people in those situations or the people behind who are pushing those situations, which isn’t most of the people involved really. Those people have to change. Their consciousness has to change. Now, when the good news, again, when we do prayer, we do something called the 12 blessings.

Guy:
that.

Richard:
12 blessings was, yeah. Now this is absolutely beautiful. This was delivered by the master Jesus who came from another planet. And you can imagine the trouble Dr. King got into when he said that in 1950s in London. But, um, the Star of Bethlehem was no star. That’s, that’s one of the great UFOs of of history. Star of Bethlehem. Uh, and, and of course Jesus is an interplanetary intelligence. He ascended into heaven, as we know, in, as did Elijah in a UFO or a fiery chariot, if you like. Um, and you find the same thing exactly in the Vida. Uh, one of the great, as they call pavers, uh, ascended into heaven in a UFO, they’ve actually got a word in sensory called vimana, which means a flying celestial vehicle.

But Jesus came again and spoke through Dr. George King and delivered this series of transmissions, and you can find this on the Aetherius Society website. In fact, we do 12 blessing services every day. More than once, actually all over the world, and people could join in online every day. If you go to Aetherius, that’s A-E-T-H-E-R-I-U s.org, you’ll see what we’re doing online. You can join in if you wish. You don’t have to be a member. You don’t have to believe everything that I’m saying here today, but you can join in with this practice and energy will go out to the world. Coming back to our war situation. That must start to change consciousness and that’s what we need. Uh, coming to your point, if everyone was educated properly and lived like this and they will one day, that’s the beautiful thing.

There will come a day and it’s been prophesied in many, many sources when we will have heaven on Earth. But that will be when the great energy of the mother Earth prevails and we, we all. live According to the spiritual laws, if you like the laws of karma, we follow the laws of karma.

Guy:
Do you? Do you believe that? With Mother Earth that her vibration is changing, that it is stimulating a change on the planet as we speak that more people,

Richard:
Absolutely.

Guy:
awakening.

Richard:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, she, and, and one of the 12 blessings that I mentioned about the seventh one, uh, talks about the fact that the sacrifice she’s made and she’s held her flame back. And in fact, it’s our fault we’ve quenched her flame is the words used by the master Jesus. Uh, because, uh, she won’t, as we were talking earlier, she has to bring herself down in order to allow us to exist. At all to gain experience at all, but very gradually. This energy is being more and more released. So I would agree with you a hundred percent. And she’s had a great initiation in 1964. Uh, and the energy hasn’t been released fully at all, but it’s starting to be released. And as it is, there will be a change and there and there will be a change of consciousness. And we need to go out of our way to become one. Which comes from the mother Earth. One way to do it is, is is the raising of Kundalini, but you can do a very simple practice. May I give a simple practice guy?

Guy:
I.

Richard:
This is a, this is a beautiful practice and you can make this request and you can make it with as much, um, love thankfulness. The more thankfulness one has and more appreciation one has, when one does a spiritual practice, I believe the more power. That practice will have in your life. For, for example, if you chant mantra as we do chant, mantra, we use mantra, uh, in a Sanskrit chants, which have a certain vibration. If you really respect those mantras and you revere those mantras, they will work much more powerfully for you.

And with this practice I’m about to give with the mother Earth, the more, in fact, if you go off and Dr. King gave this press one, one time, if you, if you just go off preferably into the countryside alone, or if you’re with someone else, someone who understands and will leave you to be alone. And you just send out your love, your appreciation, your thanks to the mother Earth, and then just stop and just pause and see what happens. You will, I believe if you really leave yourself open, feel something coming back to you. I, I, I mean, I’ve done this myself actually, not only in the country, so I’ve done it in a, in a, in an urban, uh, I was actually shocked not too long ago, but how quickly it will come back to you and you’ll feel it in one way or another.

Absolutely. It is a beautiful, beautiful thing. Now, an actual practice that you can, everyone can do and it will protect you, it will purify you. We need purification because this is what stops the Kundalini flowing in its entirety, the impurities within us, all of varying kinds. If, if we visualize coming up from beneath our feet, a violet flame, and we as we do, we are thankful to the mother earth. And it comes up all the way through our body and it just as importantly, around our body through an aura, the aura, the psychic body, the Aetheric body if you like as well, the mental body. And it just comes through just, uh, a velvety, you can feel this. Uh, some people have smelt this. You can definitely see this.

I have seen this myself at times and so have many others. It’ll come up through you. The main thing is though, just to feel cleansed and purified and uplifted and allow it to go upwards and outwards and through you, and you’ll start to make that connection. Then with the mother Earth, who’s the mother of us all? She is the mother force of all of us. And she’s the power as the ancient Greeks knew actually, and you’ll find it in Homer’s 30th hymn, um, that she is the provider of all life, of all birth, uh, and not just of human beings, of, of animals too, and plant life. She’s the giver of life on earth.

Guy:
Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. And those practices really encourage you to. To, to get beyond yourself, don’t they? To, to, to,

Richard:
They do.

Guy:
get so fixated on all our problems of our stories, the, the traumas and everything that’s there, and if we can just stop and pause and be.

Richard:
It’s an interesting thing. You know, I was thinking, you know, Isaac Newton. Um, he, he was a person who, um, practiced a lot of alchemy. People don’t realize that he was an alchemist. He also was a unitarian. I think that’s the correct word for it. He didn’t believe in the trinity got into trouble. It was either at Cambridge or Oxford, I’m not sure which, but he, he, they didn’t like this fact. But anyway, he, there he was and he spent far more time doing al Alchemy alchemical practice, which is a mystical. Spiritual practice, transmuting practice using flame, which I believe done properly could connect to the flame. I speak of this transmuting flame. Um, there, he was doing this for hours and hours on end.

Um, and then he sits down one day. Sees an apple fall to the ground and suddenly goes, ah, gravity. It’s not quite like that, but you know, if you are in a certain state of consciousness, you can see something that’s been there all the time, but suddenly you see it. And I actually believe the alchemy that he did and his mystical beliefs there were semi mystical. Some of his beliefs, he had to keep them pretty quiet, was um, a bigger factor. Then all the scientific physics research, ’cause others had done that before him. But he, it changes your content. And to your point, you do these things. You do the violet flame practice that I just mentioned, and then you can look at things and suddenly they make sense.

You can hear something and you, I’ve mentioned discrimination. How do you tell whether say Dr. George King is a genuine UFEO, contactee or not? There are many ways you can tell. You can check it out. There is evidence, there is proof. There is au authentication through things that he said that later were confirmed as accurate. You can do all of that, but in the end, you can apply it to your intuition. You know, I wrote my, my bestselling book is called Unlock Your Psychic Powers, and, and everybody can do that. Everyone can unlock their psychic. Everyone’s got them, and so many people without realizing it are psychically frustrated.

They’re there to be used as long as they’re controlled. They’re used in service. But the greatest of these powers, if you can call it a psychic power, is intuition. That’s the greatest thing because intuition is never, ever wrong. It’s never wrong guy. It will never take you wrong. We can get it wrong. We can mix it up with our imagination and you, you need training and you can learn how to do that. Once you get the inner voice, the still small voice within you, it will steer you right, and you’ll, you’ll know, you’ll see, you’ll, you’ll be able to recognize the The 12 blessings or another great work, the Nine Freedoms, which the Spiritual Freedom Show focuses on quite a bit. You’ll know it to be true.

You’ll recognize it to be true, and your intuition will steer you there. And likewise, somebody else who might be a very nice person, very well intended person, thinks they’re in touch with Orion or wherever it might be, uh, the ADEs or what have you, and they aren’t. You’ll know that too. And you, you, you know, you don’t condemn them for it. Um, they, and they might even be saying some good things in the mi in the mix, but you, you need this discrimination and intuition is absolutely key in these days.

Guy:
Absolutely. I love it. Richard, I feel like I could talk to you all day, mate, and I’ve, I’ve chewed up the hour. I

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
unbelievable. Um,

Richard:
Okay.

Guy:
um, but I do, is there anything, um, with everything you’ve covered today, you’d like the listeners to ponder on?

Richard:
Well, I, I’ll just end with this thought because I think this is the best news any of us has ever had. Within us all is this divine spark. So people I mentioned knowing God, when I say knowing God doesn’t mean it’s the God as described in the Bible or the God as described in some other religion or what have you. It is the God spark within us all. And it does exist and it is real. So as a, as a very beautiful, uh, I was very honored to co-author Dr. George King’s last book called Realize You’re In the Potential. And in it there’s an affirmation, simple English phrase that people can use. And it’s this, I am the Divine presence, which is creating perfection throughout my whole life.

I am the divine presence, which is creating perfection throughout my whole life. When you feel confused, when you are not sure, when you’ve perhaps got a lack of confidence, when you are searching. You can say those words. You can, you, you, you might be sitting on an underground train or in a bus. Nobody need needs to know. You can be thinking those words. You can be walking down the street, uh, and you’ll start to feed the higher, the super consciousness part of you. It’s a conscious thought, but you’ll start to connect with a higher part of you that knows I am the divine presence, which is creating. Perfection throughout my whole life.

Guy:
I love it. I I’m gonna be using that of this moment.

Richard:
Good.

Guy:
Absolutely.

Richard:
Good. I’m so glad.

Guy:
where’s the best place to send people? We’ll make sure the links are in the show notes. Richard,

Richard:
Well, uh, I think probably to my website initially, which is Richard Lawrence. UK,

Guy:
I.

Richard:
or as I mentioned, the Ethe Society’s website, A-E-T-H-E-R, iu s.org. And then I mentioned the, um, the podcast that we do, Darren Ball and myself, the Spiritual Freedom Show.

Guy:
Fantastic. Fantastic, Richard. So

Richard:
It’s been a pleasure to talk to you guy really seriously.

Guy:
I, I’ve really

Richard:
Yeah.

Guy:
conversation. Thank you so much for, for coming on and, uh, it’s.

Richard:
Because so many people, you start talking and, and you can’t get past the first base ’cause of this or that. You, I, I, I think you’ve got the right name there. Live in, live in flow, or live in the flow. Is it,

Guy:
is

Richard:
um,

Guy:
the retreat.

Richard:
live in flow? Yeah. Well, you, you, you, you, you’re demonstrating it. So thank you very much.

Guy:
that. Thank you. Thank you so much.