#146 In this episode, Guy talked with Jonathan Hammond and delved into the concept of reality and how our thoughts shape the world around us. He introduced the principles of Huna, a Polynesian philosophical system, and explored how they can guide us in healing ourselves and the world. Jonathan discussed his transformation from an actor to a shamanic healer, the importance of connecting with nature, and shared insights on personal empowerment, love, and living in the present moment. He emphasized the interconnectedness of all beings and the critical role individual healing plays in collective wellness. Jonathan also provided practical advice on how to tap into and nurture our spiritual essence.

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About Jonathan: Jonathan Hammond is an Author, Spiritual Teacher, Energy Healer, Shamanic Practioner, and Spiritual Counselor. He is a graduate of Harvard University and The University of Michigan.Jonathan is a certified Master Teacher in Shamanic Reiki, Usui and Karuna Reiki. He is on the Advanced Graduate Studies Advisor for Shamanic Reiki Worldwide and an ordained Alakai (teacher/guide) in the Hawaiian Shamanic tradition through Aloha International. He teaches classes in Shamanism, Energy Healing, Reiki, Huna and Ho’oponopono at the Omega Institute for Holistic Studies, The One Spirit Learning Alliance and other major venues around the world.

Before moving into his work in holistic health, Jonathan had a successful career as an award-winning actor appearing on Broadway and Television. Jonathan is deeply committed to empowering and healing people by bringing indigenous earth-wisdom into the modern world in practical and usable ways. His first book about contemporary shamanism and the spiritual traditions of Hawaii called The Shaman’s Mind – Huna Wisdom to Change your Life is available where books are sold.

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Key points with time stamp:

• SHAMAN says Rainbow Prophecy Foretold This Moment — And what we MUST DO now
• (00:48) – Republishing the Episode
• (01:02) – Connecting with the Audience
• (01:14) – Invitation to Retreats and Events
• (01:31) – Guest Introduction: Jonathan the Healer
• (02:29) – Understanding Shamanic Healing
• (04:46) – The Concept of Separation and Unity
• (09:04) – Jonathan’s Journey from Actor to Healer
• (11:28) – The Shaman’s Mind and Universal Wisdom
• (13:36) – Facing Our Fears and Embracing Feelings
• (20:17) – The Huna Principles and Creating Reality
• (24:10) – Understanding Limiting Beliefs
• (25:11) – The Healing Process and Unencumbering
• (25:53) – Principle Two: Interconnectedness
• (26:06) – Principle Three: Energy and Focus
• (28:13) – Principle Four: The Power of Now
• (30:43) – Principle Five: The Ethic of Love
• (31:34) – Principle Six: Inner Power
• (34:05) – Addressing Trauma with Ho’oponopono
• (36:43) – Principle Seven: Effectiveness as Truth
• (38:19) – Personal Reflections and Insights
• (42:31) – Final Thoughts and Contact Information

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TRANSCRIPT

Jonathan: [00:00:00] Reality has literally become sin. We create reality with our thoughts. Reality itself creates itself based on what we project on. Let the blank canvas onto which we project our internal world, so many people’s internal world, and the projection onto that reality is one of separation. Fear, the hatred, greed, profits over people, dominion over nature.

That reality has shifted and become ill. Many indigenous cultures have prophecies around this time on the planet. The rainbow prophecy of the Hopi, the eagle condor prophecy of the al people, the Mayan prophecy, all talk about this time that all of these beings would be incarnating at this time, and in their spiritual DNA, they would be called to usher in this new reality.

Guy: The episode you’re about to watch has been republished. My podcast channel reaches a lot more people now and there’s certain episodes that have slipped under the radar and I wanted to bring them up for your [00:01:00] attention ’cause I truly feel they are worth listening to. So please be sure, let me know where you think of this episode in the comments below.

And of course, let’s continue to connect. Let me know where you are in the world and where you’re listening and tuning in from. Uh, I love reading it. It’s amazing, isn’t it? That we can do this. And the other thing I wanna say as well is find out where we are. If you wanna put your spiritual boots on and come and join us at one of our five day retreats or one day events around the world, links are below as well.

If you wanna find out more what we’re up to. Much love from me. Enjoy.

Guy: Jonathan, welcome to the podcast. Aloha. It’s really great to be here. Thank you. I love asking everyone on the show this very simple question. If you were at an intimate dinner party with a bunch of strangers right now, and you sat next to someone and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Jonathan: I would say, I’m a healer. Uh, and then they would probably move to the other end of the table

but yeah, [00:02:00] that’s what I do. That’s what I do for a living. I’m a, I’m a professional healer. And if they didn’t move to the other end of the table and wanted to know more, I work with people to, come back to their true nature, through a shamanic paradigm.

I do that through energy healing. I do that through speaking to them. I do that. through laying my hands on them. all kinds of different ways in which I do that. but more than anything else, it’s about, the return to something more natural in everyone.

and that’s what I do. Amazing. I was going to say, I know we’re going to dive into exactly what you do and it’s, I’m always fascinated by these, but from a shamanic perspective, what does healing, what does that word mean to you?

Well, in shamanism, you know, what is shamanism about? Shamanism is the reverence. of nature, the worshiping of nature. And the reason why we would worship or revere anything is because we’re inspired by it and because we want to emulate it. And if you [00:03:00] look at nature, nature is a, vast cooperative effort.

Everything fits together. Everything is interconnected and interdependent on everything else. And the energy of nature is always moving towards growth and creation. And we as beings of nature. if we allow ourselves to enter into this paradigm, we are also interconnected and interdependent with everything.

And we also have that force inside us that wants us to grow and create further. And everything around us helps us do that if we, again, enter into that paradigm. And so that’s really what it’s about more than anything else, is that we’re really no different than the forest.

and because the forest shows us who we are through the fact that it all works together and it’s always moving towards growth and creation. And if you think about what would always be moving towards growth and creation, what would be that underlying intentionality? Love. Anything that wants to experience more of [00:04:00] itself for the sake of experiencing more of itself.

The only possible conclusion we can come to of what’s underneath nature. Beautiful. Absolutely. And when you look at, all the indigenous cultures all around the world and the wisdom they bring, and we have as a Western society become so disconnected from that and so removed. I know my life looks very different these days than I was talking off air with you earlier, but I didn’t have that rhythmatic.

movement in my life on a daily and weekly basis that kind of Moved with flow and moved with nature moved with creation as opposed to I was just so far removed from it Do you do you find that’s one of the biggest problems you think that’s going on right now? That is the biggest problem what’s going on?

It’s it because we are you know, the time of separation is now over it just is And, because we cannot keep continuing with the idea that we’re not all part of one great [00:05:00] happening. It’s one organism, and we are all each individual apertures that see, in which that one organism sees itself.

Or you could think of it as we are, individual waves in the ocean that can’t separate ourselves from the ocean. And so we are not separate. the reality has literally become sick. Because we have projected onto reality and the Huna philosophy that my book is about, is about this philosophy that comes out of Polynesia.

the idea behind it is that we create reality with our thoughts. Well, you’ve heard that a million times. What that really means is that reality itself creates itself based on what we project on it. So if you think of reality as like a blank canvas. onto which we project our internal world.

And because so many people’s internal world and the projection onto that reality is one of separation, fear, hatred, greed, profits over people, dominion over nature, that reality has shifted and [00:06:00] become ill. we’re in the middle of a worldwide illness. and that’s really why so many people are, using this time to wake up, many indigenous cultures have prophecies around this time on the planet that it would be this very dark time, this very difficult time, this time when humanity had sort of lost its way.

But at the same time, all the prophecies, the rainbow prophecy of the Hopi, the Eagle Condor prophecy of the Quechua people, the Mayan prophecy. All talk about this time that while it would be difficult, all of these beings would be incarnating at this time. And there would be a sense that in their spiritual DNA, they would be called to, usher in this new reality.

And anyone involved in consciousness work, certainly anyone listening to this podcast, we’re all part of that. There are so many of us. and it’s so important that we do our work to make ourselves well enough so that we can contribute our individual projection onto that reality. So that reality shifts in the direction that it’s supposed [00:07:00] to shift into.

And that’s the massive waking up. that’s the reason even why, you know, the esoteric wisdom, my book on the Huna philosophy from Polynesia, meditation, mindfulness, yoga, all of that stuff. that’s only been available in the way that it is to be consumed about 40 years. And the spiritual intelligences know what they’re doing.

and the reason why we found all this esoteric wisdom is available to us is for the people who are going to usher in this new way. do you think it’s human nature that we have to, or even universal law, that we almost have to break down or have discomfort first to really drive us forward to create growth required?

Well, as a professional healer, I could tell you that, resistance and healing go hand in hand. They are, the two sides of the same coin. There isn’t one without the other. And, we’re hardwired in some ways to resist change, even positive change.

the psyche has a default network in the brain that, [00:08:00] it’s constantly worrying about the past and worrying about the future in order to keep a continuity of self. And when you adjust and you want to change that sense of self, the system goes, so resistance is just absolutely a part of it.

That’s what we’re seeing now. there are the people who are really digging their feet in and saying, I am not going over there. I am not listening. I am not empathizing. I want people around me that look like me and that I understand.

And I want my world small and, you know, and they’re really resistant to, the idea of, of, of a global village. And, and, and the good news is that, that earth wisdom, which is, you know, because the earth is set, the earth is showing us that we cannot continue as is the earth’s going to win. And anyone who’s flowing with, you know, with earth wisdom, which is just that I want to keep going and the earth is telling me that the only way in which we can all keep going is if we all in some way cooperate and work together as is emulated in nature.

And so if we’re on the earth side. That’s the side that’s [00:09:00] gonna win. Totally. I love it I love that the way you share this johnson. I gotta ask you as well Look, how do we then wake up to that fact because I I know I lived a large part of my life unconsciously.

I just didn’t know any different like that’s all I knew That was my my knowing and I was gonna say for if that was for yourself, too Let’s go into your journey first. Then. How did you then come from an unconscious? Because I If i’m not mistaken, you were on broadway and you were doing television. Yeah, you had that and now you’re a shaman Yeah, yeah.

Well shamanic practitioner shamanic practitioner. Okay but well, you know, I, I, you know, when you think about, I was an actor, I did my first play when I was four years old. And when you think about what acting is, what is it really? It’s you learn the lines, you learn the blocking and you hope that inspiration comes through, you know?

And, and I was never a fame driven actor. That was never the thing. It was always about telling stories that lifted people up, that, in some way open things, [00:10:00] open consciousness up. And, and I was always craving that, artistic, high of the inspiration coming through.

and what I found was that I just couldn’t, I didn’t have the reach that I needed to have. I just wasn’t able to, I also, you know, because show business is so difficult. I began to look into And develop a spiritual life, which I thought was just to sort of help me traverse the difficulties of show business.

but the spiritual life kept taking up more and more space. And I became more and more interested in it. and what I found that the shift, which actually happened, where I actually decided I’m going to stop doing this and I’m going to be a full time teacher and healer actually happened on the volcano in Maui.

I had a visitation and this is after many years of working with shamans on three different continents and lots of shamanic study and all that. but I just had, I had a visitation that was hard to explain. and, I knew within a half hour. I have to completely change my life I’m called in a different direction and it was an identity crisis and all my friends thought [00:11:00] I was nuts because I was doing well as an actor but I just Needed to make that change for me and now there’s a perfection in all of it I can see that skill set is so helpful and even now in this work, you know, I mean, I wrote my first book and it just kind of came out and it’s just because I understand narrative, I understand humor.

I understand how to group dynamics and all of those things led me to, led me to becoming a spiritual teacher. Yeah, beautiful. So with, so I’m fascinated as well because I noticed that you had worked with people from Brazil, Mexico, Bali, and Hawaii, which I believe your latest book, The Shaman’s Mind, is based upon the principles from Hawaii.

Is that correct? Yeah, That’s correct. Well, what I found was, what I found in working with shamans in all these different places was that they, even though their localities are different, their practices are slightly different, they all see the world. in just about exactly the same way.

[00:12:00] Right. and what, and, that opened me to something. And then, when I discovered the Huna wisdom, it was the first time that I was introduced to a philosophical construct that helped me, see how all of these shamans are thinking similarly. Which is the reason why I called it the Shaman’s Mind, because even though this philosophy is out of Polynesia, it is a philosophy, and it’s very simple stuff, and it’s a lot of stuff that you know, I’ve just never seen it so elegantly put in one place.

And if you follow that philosophy, and integrate it, and use it in your life, you enter into the way in which the shamans see the world. All shamans. It happens to come out of Hawaii, and my aesthetic is Hawaii. I love Hawaii. Hawaii’s my place. but what I found was a universal shamanic paradigm through this philosophy.

and it’s very, you know, shamans are tricky because they don’t, most of them, they don’t even know why they do what they do. They don’t know how they do it, you know, they just do it, you know, so it’s very hard for them [00:13:00] to, communicate to a Westerner, exactly what it is that they’re doing, you know, because in some way it’s so in their culture, it’s an entirely different way of seeing the world, it’s seeing the world with the point of view of, well, if I have an answer to a question, I just go to the tree.

And it’ll tell me, you know, now we have to do all kinds of undoing to even get to that, you know, but, essentially that, that was the, that’s what I, what I discovered about all shamans and, or just so many shamans, at least the ones that I came, in contact with. And this, this helps you see through that line.

Got it. Got it. Yeah, beautiful. Why, why do we, and I’m again speaking from my experience but then seeing other people as well, why do we fear this work a lot? Because quite often we almost need to be pushed to an edge of a cliff. like society is right now, but even to dive into the self and start to do this work.

Well, as simplistic as this answer is, it’s actually the answer. We’re terrified to feel our [00:14:00] feelings. and what I mean by that is that, you know, we are all being, culturally indoctrinated that we are to assimilate. We are to fit in with everyone else. We are to keep up with the Joneses.

We are told on television what we’re supposed to look like, what our money is, what people are, what men are, what women are. You know, we’re taught to assimilate and to actually feel what’s true and real for you is to pull yourself away.

from that expectation to assimilate and follow your own inner directives, connect with your own nature. And people are terrified to do that because it’s a singular path. It’s a singular path that comes out of you. And we’re taught not to be that empowered. You know, the last 2, 000 years has been, monotheism, the idea of an off planet god that judges us, that has authority over us, and whether or not you adhere to that paradigm or not, on some level the authority is outside of us, that’s what we learned, that’s in the collective unconscious.

And so this work is about that the authority is not outside of you. [00:15:00] It can only be accessed through you. And that’s a big responsibility. You know, I talk about it in the book over and over again about taking 100 percent responsibility because you are creating your life through you. If you choose to, you are creating your life.

And our feelings may say I’m in the wrong relationship, I’m in the wrong job, I actually don’t like this person, I don’t want to do this, I don’t want to show up, I have to put up a boundary, I have to not speak to this family member, but we’re so afraid to actually be there and be in our own truth.

You know, and so that’s the biggest thing. if I had to summarize what I do in my practice, I get you in your body and I get you feeling your fields. And as easy as that sounds, that’s an entirely different paradigm than what we’re used to. I truly hear you. I really do.

I heard recently as well, you got to feel it to heal it. it is only in the acknowledgement of a problem that we gain [00:16:00] access to the freedom to change it. it’s this strange truth, but it is a truth. and that’s why when we are not attending to ourselves.

We are letting these things, and they’re in their wounds, and they just keep perpetuating themselves and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and it’s so important that we start parenting ourselves, that we start addressing, I’m actually scared, I’m actually, angry, I’m actually, jealous.

All those things are, you know, if you think about nature, nature as a template, there are plenty of things in nature we don’t like. We don’t like tarantulas, we don’t like cockroaches, we don’t like great white sharks. But we would never think they’re not supposed to exist. But that’s what we do to us.

These things in us that are considered dark. That we say, oh, I don’t want that to be there. Well, it’s there. And it’s there, and even something as unattractive as jealousy. Jealousy is directive. It says, I want what that guy has. If you align with your jealousy, we’re now in love.[00:17:00]

Yeah. And, so, that’s what this work is about. And that’s what shamanism is about, is accessing your nature within. Even if it’s an inconvenience to your neighbor. Because that’s where you find your path. We’re wired to find our path through our bodies.

It’s almost like coming back and finding our true self and our own personal power and coming from that place. one of the biggest things I used to struggle with in my life was actually saying no, you know, and not having those boundaries. and then of course I would create a series of emotions and feelings and really have my external world reflecting straight back at me, but I couldn’t see it.

when you wrote this book, The Shaman’s Mind, I’m curious, did it come out during COVID? Before COVID? It came out, July. but it was written, what’s crazy about it is the whole introduction is about, the Wetiko virus. Wetiko is a word that comes from the Cree [00:18:00] people, from North America.

And Wetiko is like a psycho spiritual demon, that is born of our disconnection from nature. And it causes us to cannibalize ourselves and causes us to, you know, all those things, people over profits and hatred and all of those things. and the whole first introduction was about that.

And a year and a half later when the book came out, I talk about this difficult time on the planet and little did I know that it was going to be that difficult. So yeah, it felt very channeled and it felt like I was connecting to something that was in the process of happening, but I didn’t even have a context for it.

Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. So I have no doubt that your book is more than relevant than ever right now for anyone that’s in a point where they might be struggling and constantly looking externally. And the book is about individual healing more than anything else. But the second Huna principle says there are no limits, which means that separation is merely an illusion.

So what that means is that what we heal in ourselves, we heal in the collective. [00:19:00] And so even though the book is about personal healing, it is about personal healing as an act of sacred activism. my Hawaiian teacher, Serge King, says, if you want to heal someone, think of them and you feel good.

what we heal in ourselves, we heal in the other. Beautiful. And that then, of course, allows us to feel like we are actually making a difference because sometimes it can seem so overwhelming. You look externally, you look what’s going on in the world, and we just want to hide away.

But if we actually, take the action to start healing ourself, we’re inadvertently if everyone did their part. You just have to do your part, you know, and even if you think, this is a very low bar, but if you think, why not aspire to cleaning up your own mess to such an extent that it doesn’t spill over to, another’s experience?

Can we just do that?

Boy, can you imagine the world then? So you mentioned that with principle number two. Now I [00:20:00] do believe there are seven. Huna principles, is that correct? Can we dive into them a little bit? so the first principle and, stop me if you have any questions. So the first principle, and these principles are based on Hawaiian words and these principles are unique translations that come from, Serge Kahili King, who’s, my Huna teacher in Hawaii.

So the first principle, says the world is what you think it is. The world is what you think it is. So that means not only that your experience of the world will be based on how you think about it, but that the world itself, that reality itself, creates itself based on how you think about it. So that means that we are in a co creative relationship with what we think.

in the creation of our world. So, you know, when you talk about the shamans as magical beings, you know, they are simply aware of the fact that they are creating reality with their thoughts. if you, and we’re swimming in all different kinds of realities. if you go to a [00:21:00] Trump rally, that’s the reality, that’s a real reality, you know, and everyone is co creating that dream.

They are creating that reality. And that reality is real. Which means that, and if they have the power to do that, then we have the power to create whatever sumptuous reality our imagination can conceive. The reason why I’m so aligned with Hawaii is because to go there is to engage your imagination, because you just can’t fathom what you’re seeing, what you’re experiencing, you know?

and that speaks to something aspirational and inspirational about what is the quality of what’s going on between your ears. Because whatever is going on there is creating your world. And if you just look at the things in your life that aren’t working, and know that you have a degree of complicity, unconscious or not, that you have a degree of complicity with what’s going on in your life that isn’t working, Aha!

You have the power to change it because [00:22:00] you created it with your thoughts and beliefs. Not some of the time, all of the time. It doesn’t mean that we blame the victim, because a lot of times, we don’t know what we’re thinking and believing, because they’re so lodged in there as a habitual way of being, that we aren’t necessarily even aware of it.

But if you take responsibility for the causative involvement that you have, In the creation of your life, based on how you think about it, and what you think about yourself, what you think about the world, what you think about the nature of love, what your beliefs are, what your limitations are, that creates the world.

And that’s what that first principle is saying. Yeah. Wow. That alone is massive. Let alone, let’s forget the other principles for a sec. It’s just, it’s crazy. I mean, it’s really, it’s really, yeah. and we’re just taught not to, not to be that powerful. We’re just taught not that we don’t have, we don’t have that kind of power and, and we really do.

We really do. and so a mere thought even is, is the beginning of an [00:23:00] alchemical magical process of manifestation. And the more focus you give it, the more that process, happens. I remember about 10 years ago when I was going through a lot of shifts, I actually, created a document and I rated my energy in it.

Everything, everything in my personal life, my relationships, my external lives, everything. And I started seeing what was Like Influence in the way I think feel and behave On a daily basis and I was scoring myself and I was like, how can I start to change these? over a long term period and start to think about where I live who I hang out with what i’m doing and and every input to create my reality that was Of more love joy and peace and fulfillment on a daily basis And it took time because I was changing my external circumstances weren’t Me But over time, I now live that person that from that by exactly coming from that principle, [00:24:00] you know, that’s right.

If you just think that, there’s a spiritual aspect to this too, because the spiritual intelligences, they just want to love us. That’s why they’re around. That’s why they hover around. They just want to love us. They’d love to bring us our heart’s desire. But if you’ve cordoned off your reality based on limiting beliefs, that’s what they have to work with.

So, you know, I often give the example of, you know, if you’re a woman who’s, you know, and you learned a very long time ago that women over 35 will end up alone. And you’re a woman over 35, and you’re alone. And you believe that, because Mom taught you that, and you missed the deadline, As much as Spirit would love to sit the guy next to you on the subway, your beliefs make it so Spirit goes, I just have to wait till she changes the belief.

Otherwise, I could stick it right there. It doesn’t make any difference. That’s why the way in which we, the way in which we limit ourselves with what we’re thinking and believing, indicate to spirit what we are willing to receive. [00:25:00] Totally. But, you know, the thing is, If I hadn’t met that resistance, if I hadn’t met that limit in belief, I wouldn’t have got the lesson.

Of course. Of course. Yeah. That’s right. And it’s all just, the whole process is just about unencumbering. That’s the healing process. I wouldn’t say that that’s the soul’s journey. that’s our purpose on earth. is to unencumber. To, remove that which obscures our perfection.

That’s what we’re doing. the more that we remove all those blemishes against what is just a perfect canvas of divinity. You came out that way. And then you start constricting because of the world and your family and society and money and all those things. the healing is just to remove that.

And then you were just a being of nature that always flows towards growth and creation is wired to flow towards growth and creation, connected to everything to help you do that. So we touched on principle two. So principle two, we talked about, there are no limits.

There’s only one thing happening where [00:26:00] we’re all interconnected. That’s that principle. Yeah. And again, what you’re healing, what you’re healing yourself, you’re healing the all. Yeah. exactly. principle three. Energy flows where attention goes. So this means that where we place our focus and attention with consistency, elicit an energetic response from a symbiotic universe that wants to work with us, that wants to send us creative energy based on where we’re placing our focus and attention.

So that means you have to pay attention to what you’re paying attention to, because what you’re paying attention to is eliciting creative energies from the universe that are bringing those things into being. So what we focus on with consistency, elicit the energy that bring to us the nearest physical equivalent of whatever we’re focusing on with consistency.

Yeah. Beautiful. You know, And it goes back to the example, doesn’t it? Of the lady over 35 continually focusing on why am I single? That’s right. And [00:27:00] the minute that you start focusing on he’s coming, he’s coming. That guy is coming. Romance is coming. You are at, you are doing alchemical work, you are doing energy work.

Because you are focusing on something that you want to happen. you know, it was my dream to move to Hawaii. And I spent, a year and a half writing a book on Hawaii. Anything I watched on television was about Hawaii. I’ve seen every episode of Hawaii Life, all 19 seasons, three times.

and I was doing energy work. You know, I don’t know how I’m gonna get to Hawaii. You know, that’s expensive, but by giving it that continued focus over and over and over again, when the opportunity of Hawaii came, to move there, because I’d given it so much focus, the doubt was there, but, the overriding energy overrode the doubt because of where I’d been placing my focus and attention.

Yeah, it’s like having a really positive obsession, isn’t it? Yeah, that’s exactly what it is. It’s kind of, if you just think like, what would it be like to be [00:28:00] a cheerleader for me for the rest of my life? And knowing that when I do that, that the spiritual intelligences of the universe support that endeavor.

Love it. Love it. Love it. next principle. yeah, yeah. man is the, is the Hawaiian word. It means now is the moment of power. So we know a lot about the power of now and mindfulness and all of that, but what this principle is getting at from a shamanic point of view, because in, in, a mystic would wanna abide in the, now a shaman wants to do something with it.

that’s sort of the fundamental difference and the idea behind now is the moment of power is now is the only place where we can access power, because now is the only place where we can do anything. so that means that we can, in the present moment, recalibrate the future, reframe the past, recalibrate our identity, we can make the now be whatever we want it to be, and we can only access power right [00:29:00] now, you know, in the Hawaiian language, they don’t have, past tenses and future tenses in their language.

So, a sentence like, I went to the store yesterday to buy milk in Hawaiian is my having gone to the store yesterday to buy milk is now over. Everything relates to the present moment. So their language itself doesn’t allow you access to anything but the present moment. Or a sentence like I’m going snorkeling next week becomes my having gone snorkeling next week hasn’t happened yet.

Everything relates back to the now. And that means, if you think about it, you can start over in any given moment. That’s what this principle is getting at. You can start over in any given moment. even if you’ve been mired in a bad habit, in the moment, you start the habit of a new habit.

You can only do that right now. Of course. We get so conditioned, don’t we, on this linear time frame. Monday to Friday, alarm clocks, work, time, set, and everything is projecting, projecting, projecting, and we, we just go [00:30:00] unconsciously through so much. and even, when you do want something and the doubt comes up, which it will, you can only attend to it.

Now, when I talk about living a spiritual life, what am I saying? Being creatively engaged with what’s happening. That’s what that means. Creatively engaged with what’s happening. And if what’s happening is this doubtful thought form, I’m going to attend to it because I know that the world is what I think it is.

And so I’m going to attend to it because I don’t want that thought form is going to muddy up the energy. Okay. You know, mixed thinking gets mixed results according to this philosophy. so we address it. You can only do that right now. Yeah. Beautiful. Fifth principle is aloha, which, you know, from Hawaii and all it really all, We think of in huna I wouldn’t go as far as to say in shamanism.

The only ethic is love That’s the one what we’re looking for is that love’s perspective Is a part of every move we make. That’s what this [00:31:00] principle is getting at. Is love present? that doesn’t mean that we’re just airy fairy nice people all the time. because sometimes the most loving thing to do is to put up a boundary.

is to leave. is to be brutally confrontational. But what we’re looking at in that principle is love’s perspective present. Because love’s perspective aligns us with the organizing principle of the planet. if love’s perspective is present in your actions your deeds who you invite into your life you’re in that flow.

Yeah, so that’s what that principle is getting at. the sixth principle mana, means the translation is all power comes from within. All power comes from within. So that means we are each a part of an infinitely powerful universe and that powerful infinitude converges at the point that I call me.

So I have all the power and you have all the power. And this is [00:32:00] a really big one because this is the one that reminds us that, your journey through life can only come through you. and that nothing has authority over you, unless the authority in you gives your authority away to it.

and so it’s saying that we always have the authority. And if you look at the word authority, there’s that word author, to author our lives. That’s what we can do when we claim our own authority. And so I have all the power and you have all the power. My Hawaiian teacher, he says, I don’t ever get disappointed in anyone because people are always going to do what they’re going to do.

And what he’s getting at is that, I have the power to let you be exactly as you are. And if you’re empowered, you have the power to let me be exactly as I am. And if you think about the nature of power, power over something, is just going to lead to retaliation and fear.

that’s the result. [00:33:00] Power against something just going to lead to resistance. But the power, real power is only when we empower, because when we empower, we have the power to give away.

so, if you’re thinking in, that’s so much, and we pull away from that which we don’t have, we, get jealous, we separate ourselves from those things, rather than blessing them. Because when we bless what we want, even if we don’t have it, we’re in the energy of receiving it, of being in that energy.

Absolutely. it comes back to about taking 100 percent responsibility in the now, isn’t it? to create that empowerment. But what would you speak to about maybe if you’ve had a traumatic past of some kind and then of course you’re now in the present that something might have happened even beyond when you could say yes or no as a child or, you know, there’s so many ways but then we keep giving our power back [00:34:00] to those.

moments and not back empowering ourselves. Yeah, well, you know, my, the Huna philosophy, is not just about the seven principles. there’s, a practice in the book that comes out of Hawaii called Hooponopono. And Hooponopono is about addressing that wounding that we received. because children, take everything personally and if they’re mistreated, neglected, indifferenced, misunderstood, they will make that about something about themselves, just what kids do and that gets, they’re called formative years for a reason, right?

And that gets lodged in there as the sense of self and unaddressed. if you were taught, I’m going to be punished if I speak up. Every time you want to speak up, you’ll be nervous, embarrassed, shameful.

and that’s just a mistake. It’s a mistaken identity. That child was supposed to be able to speak up, And in the ho’oponopono process, you’re extending love to that child.

And you’re, now, because the wound was born of [00:35:00] unlove. So you give the love now to the child and the child starts to let it go, you know, so yes, all of these principles, all these principles, they’re based on, they work best when we have worked on our wounding that don’t allow us the power to sit in these principles.

and the whole point is the principles ask you to look at those things inside you that don’t allow you to create the world that you want. It’s not because you’re an idiot. It’s not because anyone’s an idiot. It’s because we were taught things that are antithetical to our best interest that lie lodged in the unconscious mind.

And as soon as we make them conscious, You know, but by actually saying, I’m actually going to address the fact that that I I’m ashamed to speak up doesn’t mean that it’s going to happen like that But that is a wound and i’m going to address it and then we’re in business. Yeah Yeah, no, thank you because it from what i’m seeing or i’m picturing is almost like on one hand, we’re actually working on the healing, the [00:36:00] trauma, whatever is on this back.

And then on the other hand, we’re starting to apply the principles into our life slowly but surely and work to move forward. Would that be that? And you know, that’s why I say the negative narrative it’s going to be there. anytime you inspire or aspire to anything, there’s going to be a voice inside that says, who do you think you are?

Or that’s not for you or you don’t look right. Or you’re not smart enough or you don’t have enough money, whatever. and with this, what this philosophy is getting at and what Ho’oponopono really is about is about, I see you there. You’re just a little boy.

And I know why you feel that way. And I love you, but we’re going this way anyway. And if you come along with me, you’re going to like it better. Yeah. Beautiful. You know. Yeah. The last principle, effectiveness is the measure of truth. So truth is the only absolute truth is that everything is, everything else is just something that someone made up.

And so the only [00:37:00] truth is the truth that actually works for you. Which means that truth is highly individual. And now we’re back in our bodies, in our power, in our, because it’s, because it’s only from you that you can, it’s only what’s working for you that you decide what is your reality and your truth.

You know, and this principle is also saying that, be flexible and be creative because there’s a million ways to do everything. if one thing doesn’t work, go back and go through the principles again. If what you’re getting isn’t coming to fruition, if whatever truth it is that you’re aligning with, isn’t being effective.

What are you thinking? are you sensing the fact that you’re connected to everything? I’m going through the principles right now. What are you focusing on? Because that’s inviting in energy. Is love present? Are you in the present moment? Are you empowered? And then see where you are again,

Yeah, it’s so [00:38:00] empowering, especially when you have something and you have a blueprint you can turn to and practice, you know. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. and now I’m taking, all this is in the book, right? Yeah, all this is in the book.

There are practices and exercises with each principle. So you can really integrate it into your life and understand it. Amazing. Thank you, Johnson. I got questions. I ask everyone on the show and I’m feeling, I need to ask you this one is what’s been a low point in your life that’s later become a blessing.

I was cast in my first Broadway show and I, was involved with the show for about a year. it was the dream come true and the most difficult, angriest, saddest time of my entire life. I won’t go into why, but it was just what struck me was that this thing that I thought I wanted was not for [00:39:00] me.

And, it was very hard and sobering to really look at that. but, it opened something up and now I would say it speaks to the nature of spiritual paradox. You know, spirit speaks in paradox. What seems big is small, what seems important isn’t, what seems strong is weak, and every iteration of opposites that you can imagine.

That’s how spirit, tends to work and communicate. And so there was just a sense of, I did all the right things. I went to all the right parties. I’m here and I don’t feel that thing that I thought I was supposed to feel. and thank God. thank you for sharing.

what does your morning routine look like? My morning routine? scrolling, to be honest. I really am, seeing clients almost every day, I have a very full practice. I’m working with a wait list, even,

So, more than anything else, I’m really a hundred percent. I really, I’m really a hundred percent. So more than anything else, it’s [00:40:00] about being a normal person and it’s about taking care of whatever taking care of myself looks like, whether, whether that’s, some sort of relaxation, whether it’s just turning off my mind, because the nature of my work is spiritual.

I’m in the energies all the time, probably because I need so much healing. To be honest, I think it’s a win win, you know, because that’s so much a part of my life, more than anything else, it’s just about, relaxing and taking care of myself one of the things that’s really come up as my practice has gotten so big and the book and all that, that, I just can’t, I can’t sustain the reach that I want.

In the city. That’s why I need to make that move. I need to really, I need to be fed by nature and, and so the move is as much about me continuing to do this healthily, as it is anything else. I hear you. I hear you. I work with two other practitioners. one therapist. She’s been doing it for 20 years.

Another guy’s Matt, who I work with as well. He’s been working with sound and individual clients for 17 years and it takes us tall. It really does [00:41:00] take its toll, you know? Yeah, yeah, and you just have to really watch it. And you know, I take care of myself enough to where, if I get a sense that the client is going to be something that is going to, you know, feed both of us, I’ll say this isn’t probably the right fit or, you know, I do what I need to do to take care of myself because, when you’re doing this work full time, it can be a lot.

okay. What’s one thing about yourself? Most people wouldn’t know.

it’s one thing about myself that most people wouldn’t know. My God, I tell everyone everything. Because, you know, I just use myself as the example because I’m, you know, I’ll often tell my clients, you know, I’m a step ahead, but I’m just a step ahead. You know, like, just to really normalize things, So, what is something that someone doesn’t know?

gosh, what comes to mind? I guess that, although my clients would know this, there isn’t a big backstage with me, you know, it’s kind of like, nothing feels worse than telling someone to do something that you don’t do

I think that more than anything else is that I’m really, Here’s what it is. [00:42:00] I am in a constant process to stay in integrity, you know, and anyone who looks at me and goes, Oh, he’s a spiritual guy who writes books and all that, like, that is not something you don’t coast.

That is something you maintain, however you maintain it. that more than anything else. I struggle. I get nervous. I get fearful. all of those things. and they require attention. Beautiful. Beautiful. Last question. Everything we’ve covered today.

Is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?

if there is, even a spark of something inside you that says there’s this crazy thing that I’d like to do or experience or become, and I don’t know how I would pay for it. And I don’t know what anyone, would think. And I don’t know what my family would think.

that’s the seed of your [00:43:00] life. that’s the seed of your soul. pay attention to those things they may look crazy to loved ones. They may look crazy to you, but if there’s something that, inexplicably excites you anyway, that’s your soul.

That’s the higher self trying to speak to you. Perfect, perfect. If anyone wants to find out more, Jonathan, about your work, your book, where can we send them? So the book, The Shaman’s Mind, Huna Wisdom to Change Your Life. That’s available on Amazon, wherever, and, wherever books are sold.

You can reach me very easy at jonathanhammond. com. J O N A T H A N H A M M O N D. I’ve had a lot of people, I’ve done a lot of these podcasts since the book came out and a lot of people have reached out and, I have new clients.

So, feel free if you feel called to, work with me in a more individual way, we can look at that. Yeah, absolutely. And then for anyone listening to this, the links will be below. jonathan look thank you so much for coming on the show today your enthusiasm is infectious.

[00:44:00] I have no doubt everyone listening today would have felt the same thing and Greatly appreciate your time for coming on. thank you. Mahalo. Great to be here. Thank you