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Mich:
I was five at the time and my mom’s brother had. Sexually abused me and I then came up with this level of anger. So I started suffering from bronchitis, throat infection, UTIs, like my body was just showing me all the time. I love being human. I didn’t like it for a fricking long time. And I did wanna check out.

And I think sometimes that’s what we forget as humans is that people all want to go out there and, but we have to have the human experience. We are planting the seeds. What you choose to do with the planting and the seed is up to you as we’ve forgotten how powerful we are as human beings. I had my practice of just closing my eyes and then Michelle, the personality steps aside, and they come through angelic beings of light ascended masters who once walked these earth planes.

Guy:
My beautiful guest today is Mitch Carpenter, and she’s a channeler, a spiritual medium, and an energy healer. And her story is pretty profound and there’s a lot of powerful insights within this podcast, especially on self discovery, forgiveness, and finding joy, uh, in our darkest moment. And I. Feel there’s something in you that we can all relate to as well.

She opens up about her extraordinary journey and it is quite very moving, so it’s, it’s beautiful. And she does, uh, now channel the Council of eight, uh, which she does do today. She spontaneously channeled, uh, recorded a few weeks ago from recording this, uh, intro. But, uh, and I end up, um, having spontaneous questions around the Council of eight as well, which is all very fascinating, especially with what’s going on in the world right now.

As we move forward. Please be sure to let me know, we think of this, uh, video in the comments below. If you’re enjoying them, let me know where you are in the world. Always nice to connect. I always say these in the YouTube videos, but it’s, it’s great, right? And of course if you do get a lot out of it. If it’s worthy of subscribe or a like button continues to help, uh, get these shows out there as well.

And if you wanna know where we are up to anywhere around the world. Mitch is from New Zealand. We are coming back to New Zealand as well later in the year as well, which I’m excited to do. We are, we’re hoping to get back to Auckland, maybe Hamilton, Taronga, uh, I hope I pronounced that correctly.

Wellington, I think we go into. Anyway, it’s all there. And. The rest of the world we’re doing, our best links are below for wherever we’re up to. Much love for me. Enjoy this conversation with Mitch. It’s beautiful.

Mitch, welcome to the podcast. My lovely,

Mich:
Thank you Guy. Thank you for having me here today.

Guy:
it’s beautiful. You have a South Africa, is it South African accent or are you from a different

Mich:
It’s, it’s South Africa, so I was born in, um, what’s now called Zimbabwe r Rhodesia, and yeah, then we moved to South Africa when we were quite, when my parents moved to South Africa when we were quite young. Yeah,

Guy:
So you have a South African in New Zealand and a Welshman in Australia having a podcast.

Mich:
sounds like a pub joke.

Guy:
So awesome. my, my first question for you, which I ask everyone on the show is if you were at a intimate dinner party right now and you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, how would you respond?

Mich:
Gosh, that’s a great question. Uh, what do I do for a living? I like to share joy and love. And, uh, and become a kindred spirit. It’s something that I’m learning in this lifetime, and I think that our labels can kind of put us into brackets, into little suitcases. Uh, but if I was to label myself, I’m a channel spiritual medium and an energy healer, but over and above all, it’s, it’s how can I be in service?

You know, I love to be in service, but it works this way both ways. And I know that sounds very cryptic when I’m hearing myself say that, but over and above all, it’s kind of just like looking at life and going, eh, I’m here now.

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
Alrighty. So what do I do with this? There’s a lot of good stuff going on, you know, and I do, I make light hearted of it, and people are like, what? She’s laughing. Uh, but it’s something that I think is so important to learn, to laugh at ourselves and learn to laugh at. Just laugh. Don’t take it so seriously.

Guy:
I, I was gonna ask you, the first thing that came out was why joy and love, and I, and I know it seems such an obvious thing, but when you ask people what they do for a living, a career, it’s normally, it’s, it’s normally not rooted in such a deep value. You know, there is something more, um, mechanical or physical.

I’m trying to find the right words. If I work at the bank or if I sell t-shirts or, you know what I mean? It’s,

Mich:
Yeah,

Guy:
joy and love. brought you to wanting to spread joy and love, and why do you feel it’s important?

Mich:
thank you for asking that question. Uh, ’cause I know what it feels like to have, um, come through very deep trauma. I know what it feels like to, um, have lived in a victim space for such a long time. Um, I know what it feels like to be angry, resentful, frustrated, carry guilt, uh, and just blame the world for, for what happened to me.

And I came to realize, you know, I, I, I feel that we are all awakened. You know, often we would talk about our own awakenings and my own awakening was when I look back into my past, there was so much that I carried from both my mother’s side and my father’s side, plus my own childhood. Uh, and if you’d like, I can share a little bit about it, but I just realized that I was so in, in this way of life.

I was just holding and squeezing. You know, I talk about contraction and expansion, but I was just squeezing, squeezing and wanting to be seen, wanting to be loved, wanting to be heard. Um, I used to think I was joyful ’cause I was a, uh, a dancer so I could play the part well, you know, be on stage when I needed to perform.

I was a sales rep for a long time. But put this smile on, climb in the car and just be sad, be angry. Let those thoughts just really just bring me down and make me feel heavy. Uh, and then I came to realize by going deep within which thanks to my ex-husband who had had an affair, it was the best thing that ever happened for me.

But I used to blame him. Um, I wanna be very clear in how I hated men for a very, very long time based on what had happened when I was young. So there’s all these, you know, when you look back and I, I always say to anybody, you know, when you look back on, on both sides of, of how we’ve come into this world, um.

We carry so much without even carrying, I would call it perhaps a, um, a wound of resentment, which my mom had carried towards men herself. So she projected that onto me. And as I started to really dive deep into myself, I was like, oh my God. Like, I can laugh about it now, but it’s like, shit, I’ve had a lot that’s like, and it’s not, it’s not a lot in comparison to, to some other people.

When, when I look back into what was going on in my body and in my world, you know, car accidents, relationship breakups, um, just this devastation, this energy of chaos. And I used to look outside of myself all the time for people to love me, men to love me, but I got controlled all the time. So, you know, I kind of went through this monumental moment in my life at one point where I thought I’d done so much work and then I met a medium and she looked at me and she said.

Your awe is quite dark. And I was like, what? I was like, seriously devastated. And this was a few years ago, and I just thought, all right, I’ve gotta lighten up. What does it feel like to be authentic? And for me, when we’re in our true essence of authenticity, we are light, we are joyful. Yes, we go into, you know, um, grieving, I can go into drama still.

I can get connected to different, um, you know, things that happen in my family. I can most certainly feel and sense sometimes the resentment that still comes up or plays a part, but then I’m like, okay, it’s done. I have a, like, what I would call a, a moment grieve. I would perhaps, you know, cry into a pillow or go for a walk and just spew it out.

And uh, and I go, okay, come back into, into that because that’s our innate. Knowing that’s our blessing, that’s our miracle that we all are. And that’s how I like to look at how, um, at myself. But it took me years and years and years because I made life about everybody else. Uh, I always used to look at others through different filters of, well, they’ve got their stuff together.

They, how, how are they always laughing? How are they, so my laughter felt false.

Guy:
Right.

Mich:
For a very long time. And then I just realized it was just all the hats that I, I was taught to wear. ’cause I could feel that I didn’t feel full inside of me. There’s a very different feeling when you come from your pureness of who we actually are.

And, uh, and the, the problem that I’d had, because I was working so deeply on my background, my trauma is that at times I didn’t know how to come out of it. So I would go for a social environment. You talk about going to a dinner party, I cleared a wedding table because of my story and I can laugh about it today, but I think of those people sitting there going.

Oh my God. Because all I wanted people to do was just hear.

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
I was so in my victim hood, and you know, Michelle, who are you? What do you do? Oh, I’m a single mother. Um, and my husband left me and, and it was this kind of vibration, you know, you can see unconsciously how I was so out my body guy. I was so detached from my story that I didn’t know how to be in my body, and that was due to so much of what, um, I had gone through in life.

Guy:
Thank you for sharing. So I, my first instinctive direction to take this is, do you mind going back and what you had gone through? I know, you know, I’ve had Bruce Lifton on you a couple of times and he speaks about. How cr crucial the first zero to seven years are, and even laying a foundation. And quite often are energetically noting our bodies.

’cause it’s a, it’s a, uh, it’s a protective mechanism. Mechanism. So we start

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
from the, the pains and things and then like you say, start to put on a mask of and a performance, even though that’s not what’s going on inside. Would you mind sharing what your experience has been

Mich:
Not, not at all. Not at all. And thank you for asking. So, um, you know, I love what you’ve shared because there, there was, there’s parts of my journey, um, that one of them being, when I said to my mom, uh, so my dad was what at that time was called Rhodesia, which is Naba. He was a soldier in the army. My mom, they were young when they got together and my mom was in a lot of fear.

You know, she had two young kids under the age of, um, four years old and. I said to my mom one time, mom, I remember you taking these maroon plates and throwing them at dad. And I could, I could describe the dining room table. I could describe the headboard. And she said, Michelle, that’s impossible. And I said, what do you mean it’s impossible?

I remember it. She said, I was about seven months pregnant with you. How do you remember that? And I came into this world not knowing, obviously, you know, we choose our parents, that my mom was, she was holding onto her own wounds, her own what we would term, um, sufferings, pain, um, just her emotional, um, soreness.

And, uh, her dad had had affairs. My dad had had one or two affairs, I believe my dad was a, um, a weakened alcoholic. There was a lot of drinking, a lot of parting when we grew up. My mom was very angry though. I remember one of these stories very well, um, where she had, my dad was a rifles man, and she’d had his rifle and I.

She was angry at him one time and she said she had me on the hip and she was trying to cock the gun to try and literally get him out the house, you know, and that’s the anger that I didn’t know had affected us so badly. She used to smack us when she, you know, would, would comb my hair. Whew. Um, she, she used to yank so hard ’cause I couldn’t sit still. I was so outta my body that I couldn’t sit still. And she used to try and make me sit still. So, um, these tears or tears for that little girl that is still healing, you know, that wound. But I. I know that there was so much that was between the two of them.

And I’m the child that remembered a lot. Like I used to wet my beds. I was trying to escape at night in my dreams. You know, I’d wake up like in a fright and if I wet my bed, I knew there was gonna be an issue. Um, and it’s not her fault, it was just what she was carrying to. I’ve come to realize over time, but I became a dancer.

I then went to purge. I started, um, suffering from bulimia in my teenagehood. I then I watched, uh, sorry, I not watched. I read a story about sexual abuse and I was like, oh my gosh, this happened to me. I was five year five at the time and my mom’s brother had sexually abused me. And I then. Came up with this level of anger.

So I started suffering from bronchitis, throat infection, UTIs, like my body was just showing me all the time. Um, but dancing was my thing, but then I was purging ’cause I was in self-hatred. And, um, there was a lot of arguing, fighting in our home. And, uh, then my best friend of, at the age of 16 and a half 17, she had had a, um, uh, it’s, I think it’s called spina bifida.

She was born with it and we were very, very good friends and she had a kidney, uh, transplant and she died. And I just buried that wound. But the beautiful part of this story of her dying, she died in hospice in Johannesburg. And I remember sitting on the couch watching her parents go for a counseling session before she had, you know, passed over.

And I remember watching the counselor come out and go, how is the counselor not devastated? How people surrounded by death? And they just not devastated. And unbeknownst to me is it was the universe, or my guides, my angels. They were really guiding me into where I at am today. And so she passed over. I’d had relationships, not great relationships.

They’d all left not knowing at the time that this was a pattern and imprint that I brought in because my grandfather, my dad, you know, just this, this, like I said this, this anger, this hatred that my mom had also projected onto me. Don’t let a man control you, Michelle. Don’t. Well, that’s all I ever did, basically.

And then at the age of 24, I knocked her and killed a young girl. And, um. There’s, there’s, there’s, there’s times where I can talk about the story very openly. I’m very open about it was when I put a, I looked down to put a straw into, um, a cool drink and she had misjudged. My car was in and out of court for two years.

Um, and I was acquitted, but the hard part was, was not knowing what. This all meant, you know, I just was in such deep pain and suffering. And then, so within one year I was involved with a guy. We built a house together. He started becoming violent. And I used to provoke him. And I, it was kind of like that, you know, the, the abusive wound.

Like, oh, let me see, let me, let me, let me really, let me really get an excuse to leave him. And three months later I was made redundant. And two months after that, all within six months, I knocked him and killed this young girl. It was just chaos once again. And I just buried that. I went parting in in, um, in Cape Town.

I met my then future husband and bless his cotton socks. He took on this deeply traumatized woman. I didn’t even know it. He didn’t even know it. And I was just trying to control life, you know? I was just trying to stay in control. But everything was out of control in my life. And six years later, we need head of head and a affair.

It took me a long time to try and figure it out, but I just chose to leave and my parents begged me to stay and my parents had threatened that they were gonna take his side in court ’cause we’d had a little girl and I was devastated. I’m like, what the hell? But this was, this was just their me their want, their conditional love.

And this again, is not to, to, to blasphemy my parents to put them down because I’m still working with time, references of or times or feelings or emotions that every now and again, I’m like, dammit, there it is again. My dad’s taking so and so’s side or whatever, you know. So it’s becoming that observer. And that’s where I started to observe.

’cause I started to deep dive into those wounds and I had no idea, no idea that when I went on a weekend away, um, I. I went to go and actually go for a, a clairvoyance session. And this young man said to me, Michelle, you just don’t wanna love yourself. Well, I wanted to throw punch him ’cause I wanted them to help me with my anger.

And, and I was like, I said, what do you even do with that guy? You know what I mean? Like when somebody say to you, don’t I love yourself? You’re like, I haven’t got no idea what you mean. And he had suggested, and again, I just feel like the universe was orchestrating. He had suggested to go on this weekend away with hospice and I was guided to go and be with this incredible facilitator.

And this was nine years after I knocked over and killed this young girl. And the beautiful part of that story was that her mother had phoned me, she got my number off the accident report and she phoned to find out how I was, and her name was Mary. And it blew me away for such a long time that somebody had such deep compassion to actually pick up the phone and ask how I was doing.

And on this weekend away, the facilitator, I was again going to go work through my divorce and the facilitator said, facilitator started to ask me and got me into levels and layers of how I felt about knocking over and killing this young girl. My head was so devastated, literally, it felt like it had cracked open, but my heart had cracked open.

And um, they put me to bed that night ’cause I just cried and cried and cried and like, they just couldn’t stop. It was like kind of this, this, this dam had opened up. And then I was on this course of wanting to explore more about how much I really had suppressed and. It’s something I still work through, work on when it shows itself.

And I did not know at the time that I was gonna become a hospice, um, part-time facilitator or caregiver. And that’s the beauty of when you look back and I look back on my journey, I go, ah, ah, okay. I get, ah, wow. Um, you know, looking at my 16-year-old, 17-year-old self and saying that was why I was guided to be in hospice.

That was why I surrounded by death. And that was why I was able to explore. Look at that woman. I’ve always been an observer. I’ve come to realize and. Uh, I think that being a truth speaker comes or shows up in many different ways, but I used to call people art and my mom used to smack me. Like, don’t say that, you know, but I think that I just, when I look back, I am a deep feeler and I, um, would just say things like it is, and sometimes that still happens if I’m really not in my truth of self.

Uh, and so yes, it’s been a big journey for me. It’s been a journey of exploring. It’s been a journey of forgiveness because that weekend hospice then started, I then sort of going for counseling and then I had to learn to forgive my five-year-old self because I didn’t even know that she was doing anything wrong.

Um, and that that journey of, you know, being sexually abused and traumatized was where I disassociated from such a young age. It even goes back before then, but that was also my deep hatred for men. Without even knowing, you know, it was a trusted human being. Um, and I only shared the story with my parents at the age of 33.

So, you know, it’s, it’s, I feel that in this, this experience of being human, and thank you for allowing me to share, you know, these, these wounds are not so open anymore. It was like, I just wanted to be a zip and zip myself up and just say, I don’t wanna do this anymore. I don’t wanna go there. And I’ve had many moments like that where, you know, the story would come up, but it was just a little pocket of the story of sexual abuse.

But the hatred wasn’t there so much more the resent, well, I’m gonna rephrase it. I most certainly would be able to embrace my uncle today and look him in the eyes and say, I see you and I forgive you. And it’s taken me years and years and years of having to. Go deeply within, because it affected me sexually, it affected me e emotionally, it affected me mentally, but it wasn’t only that that affected me, my mom, who, you know, it was, was the person who I loved the most, but yet had I felt had hurt me the most.

Um, didn’t nurture me in the way that I’d wanted to be nurtured. And again, that’s leads me to, you know, you asking about joy and love is that sometimes that zip comes down and then it’s like, ah, okay, well there’s the story. I look at the story and it’s like, wow, how am I feeling about that story? Sure. Wow.

Wow. I’ve come such a long way and then I can, you know, maybe. Zip the zip up a little bit. I don’t know if I’m giving the right analogy here, but it’s, it’s really just having to learn. I had to learn compassion. I had to learn. And I know people speak about, well, what is forgiveness for me and my journey?

Forgiveness was very, very important to forgive myself for many different things, you know, ’cause I suppressed the shame. And, um, shame can show up in many different ways. And my body was just in havoc. You know, I’d had car accidents. Uh, it was just this, this, I was never inside of my body. I was just always like, oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. And fight, flight. Fight and pt. I’ve come to realize PTSD, like had I never knew that I’d had PTSD or I think there’s also C-P-T-S-D if I’m not mistaken, which is the child that’s got to do with child that I still dunno enough about it. Um. So thank you for letting me share, but this is what I feel is so important is that we can work through it.

I really, I can sit here, I can feel my body. There’s little moments where I’m like, Ooh, I get teary. But overall, I am just in this, this space of openness and, and I genuinely have come to enjoy who I am and love who I am and feel joy, like deep joy and just be childlike again. I think I probably drive some people mad because I’m like, boy, boy.

Um, but it’s just this. I, I just can’t help myself. You know, it’s just like this is where I’m at right now and I’m happy with where I’m at. Um, and everybody’s journey is different. So I like to share to, for people to know that we all will have our explorations. And it’s not by any means a comparison of, this is the way I’ve do, you’ve gotta do it this way.

I like to share and say, you do it your way. How can we walk this journey together? Um.

Guy:
Thank you for sharing. I, uh, yeah. Wow, that’s a journey you, you’ve been on. So thinking about the listeners as well, and you, you spoke many times about really starting to come home to your body and, and actually be back in your body. What did the, what did that look like for you? How have you been going about doing that to help people?

’cause quite often people have traumatic or not even aware, they’ve had traumatic experiences, but yet when you, especially when they come into our events or retreats, you can sense that, that a lot of their energy isn’t fully back. It’s not grounded, it’s not earth, and they’re not fully, fully present in the moment. How was that? When did the light bulb go on for you in terms of bringing that energy home to yourself and how did you go about doing that well?

Mich:
Sure. That’s a great question. My journey’s been very experiential. I have, um, I started off with counseling. Uh, I then I. Started to become a counselor, part-time counselor for hospice, myself and every part of my journey, neuro-linguistic programming, yoga, uh, you know, I would go in and out, in and out, uh, cold water therapy.

I mean, the first time I went cold water plunging, which was three years ago here in New Zealand, I completely left my body. Nobody prepared me. It was crazy. You know, every, you just see everybody like walking in, in this winter’s day and you just see, like, nobody said, like, Michelle, you need to breathe. And I just felt the energy of what I was feeling.

And I let out this rip rowing like la la la, la, la la la and everybody looked at me and I was called the screamer in this group, but I then realized that I’d left my body again. So I don’t have a specific answer to be honest. It’s just something that has been a learning for me to notice when I’m in my head. And just teaching myself continuously. I’m safe.

Guy:
Hmm.

Mich:
I am enough. I’m safe. I am enough. And you know, I’m genuinely quite a chatty person too. And I’m, and I realize when I’m outta my body that I’m, and sometimes that happens when I’m sensing a lot because I am incredibly open as the channel that I am. So even if I’m going into a social environment, I, I kind of just, I, I’ve started to teach myself to.

Go out, but to still be in and, and then I just sense, but if I’m just like going from my day-to-day business and I walk into, let’s say a supermarket, um, and somebody walks past me and I start to chat, like I can just sense things and then I’ve gotta bring that part of myself back. But I’ve, I’ve worked with past life regression.

Um, I’ve done a lot of deep, deep healing. The connection with the soul, the young girl.

Guy:
Hmm.

Mich:
did, um, a past life regression, um, session where I brought that fractal of myself because clearly the impact, I mean, I dunno what I’d hit. I was in host territory and farm territory and, you know, her, her, her body hit, hit, hit, hit rolled and she rolled into the bush.

So when I looked, I didn’t know what was going on, but a part of me had left and I needed to bring that fractal back. So again, I, um, it’s a learning for me to be in my body. It’s a learning for me to give my myself downtime. And the biggest, biggest way that I’ve learned is just to place my hands in my heart and just breathe.

I’ve done a lot of breath work, uh, grounding, taking my shoes off. Uh, again, my journey has been to, um, not learn to disassociate. And, and especially if I am, I can feel when I’m in fight or flight, I talk differently. I, I can sense things differently. Um, if my son walks in and he, if, if I’m chatting and he walks into my room and I get a fright, I’m like, oh, okay.

I’ve gotta work with my, I’ve gotta regulate my nervous system. Um. I’ve done plant medicine. So for me, it’s important to have let go. So much of the, the ancestral, the intergenerational that I’ve come in with, and I’m an explorer, I’m like, let’s deep dive, let’s deep dive. And, um, and music is, is my go-to as well.

Like if I feel like, ’cause sometimes when I’m in a state of flux, I, um, I can, okay, I’m breathing, I’m breathing, I’m breathing, Michelle, stop it. Stop it. I have to tell myself. And then I would just hold myself. I would go and ask my husband for a, a hug. You know, A hug would just bring me back. So it really is a learning for me, and it’s just uncovering those layers, they were deeper than what they have been or are now.

Uh, but I still have moments in time where something would trigger me and I would disassociate. So I know I haven’t answered your question correctly, uh, or perhaps in the way that, um, might not help anybody. Uh, but there are so many therapies out there and modalities, and I feel like your spirit will bring the right one to you at the right time.

Guy:
No, it’s perfect. I mean, I think it’s a great conversation to get people thinking about these things as well and, and knowing it’s coming within ourselves is where all the answers lie. And we so often look externally, you know, it is funny you say call therapy. ’cause I have a, you know, permanent ice bath and sauna in my garage and, and I’ve, I’ve been doing it for 10 years and, and it’s. Being a very strong, fundamental aspect of actually getting myself in my body. They’re extremely powerful tools when used in these contexts as well. And to be present. ’cause that’s the only place you can be if you gonna sit in the, in the cold or the heat is to be really be with each moment they

Mich:
much so. Yeah.

Guy:
you speak of guides, you speak of channeling the Council of eight as well, and, and these things that have been coming forward for you. Have you always had a spiritual connections through all these things where you are aware of guides? Were there any mystical experiences from childhood or anything? Or has this been more of an evolution as you’ve healed your wounds?

Mich:
Um, mostly as I’ve heal my wounds and, um. Uh, but I came to discover that, that my mom was psychic, but she, she was safer in church. So we grew up in church as well, and I always loved Jesus. I mean, I love the Pentecostal, you know, churches, and I love them. I love the energy and I love the vibration. And, you know, for me, speaking in tongues is light language when I think of it today.

And, but as I let go of that heaviness that I was holding on within my cells, uh, and changing my belief system, changing the way I’d been conditioned, I started to open myself up to more. And I, as I mentioned, I started counseling. Um, I was being counseled, but I started counseling first. And my very first moment of seeing, um, uh.

What do we even call it? A light body. Um, uh, uh, a human that was once here was a woman sitting opposite knee and she was holding a baby, and I had no idea that she’d actually had a stillborn, but I described the baby to her and she said, how do you know this? How do you know that? And I think when I look back, I can’t remember a specific moment of me saying, oh, I remember this as a child, or that As a child, I just know that my kind of, I opened up myself when I started to allow myself to be vulnerable because my heart was so protected and so guarded for such a long time that.

I, I, a friend who actually said to me, mission open heart is, oh, sorry, a broken heart is an open heart. Well, you can look at that in different ways, but yes, as I started to elevate my consciousness and I did deep diving into Louise Hay Abraham, um, uh, um, Wayne Dyer, and I was really just starting to look and, and, and I drive my friends mad ’cause I, I don’t understand.

I’d like phone them and say, I don’t understand. What does Wayne Dyer mean? I, they say me just face and feel, just feel, just feel, because I used to stay in my head a lot ’cause that’s what kept me safe. But as I was doing my yoga teacher training and do more yoga, and slowly but surely, I started to sense things and see things and then have.

Um, what I would term these knowings. ’cause we all have the knowing we just perhaps shut it down. In my experience, I, I closed off my heart. My heart knows everything, so I needed to reopen it and learn to trust myself, but also trust what I was being shown. And as I, um, came to New Zealand, I went into a big depression.

Leaving South Africa behind all our family, and we were in Queenstown West, we’re just surrounded by these mountains, which are these vortexes of crystals. And, and it really threw me off my center. But I started to just sit on the floor and started to connect into the mountain energy. And then the council started to share with me, it’s important to get back into my work again.

And I was like, I can’t. I, I’m, I, I’m, I, I, that’s how it felt. Like who am I to work with people? So I started counseling again, you know, that made me feel safe. And then I started my connection again, and I started having, um, these moments, like an eight when I had a client on, on my, my therapy bed. And I used to think, what, who are you?

Like, this feels different. And they would start asking me to use music, and then I’d start to sing. And I still didn’t know who, ’cause it felt very different. And I’d get really cold guy, like my hands would get really cold and I would, my nervous system would really get cold. Like, uh, not, um, not cold, but I would start to shiver And um, it was very different to me releasing trauma.

Have you heard about TRE

Guy:
With the

Mich:
trauma relief?

Guy:
is it

Mich:
Uh, that’s EMDR from what I understand. But TRE is, you do different movements, um, and your body starts to tremor. You lie on your back and you lift your elevate and the body starts to tremor. So it was a very different sensation to me tremoring when I was releasing trauma to how I was starting to what I would term go through these upgrades.

And um, and then the one day I just sat in meditation, I said, who are you? And they said with the council, I’m like, well, the council of who, and I had no idea about Galactic Energy or the Galactic Federation of Light, yet again, the universe delivered because I moved to New Zealand, I met her ex South African and she just was out there.

Have you heard about the Galactic Federation of Light Mesh? Have you? I’m like, who? And I started to go into fear. I’m like, this is just too much for me, man. Like, lemme just work with a human. And, um, and I love the fact that when I look at that connection again, our knowing always knows our soul always knows who to bring in when we are ready.

You know, it’s called divine timing in my experience of, of life. But it was, it was a bridge. I had to build the bridge and navigate and learn to trust. And slowly but surely they started to connect with me. They were ready. I was just never ready. And again, when I went into, um, a hypnosis session, they’ve been with me since I was a baby.

Like I’ve come into this world and they’ve always surrounded me, but I, for, for want of a better statement, my learning has been to work with myself as a human and as myself, as a human has learned to let go. I’ve started to learn that there’s so much more out there, and as I’ve learned to just be in the flow of life.

Life comes to me and they’ve shared some beautiful, I would negotiate with the Council of Eight, and I’d say, please keep it simple, because I like simple. And they, they, they’re here for the human experience and they share Kasik records. They, um, they’ve started to bring through different frequencies, different tos, different tunings through my voice.

So that was part of the, me teaching myself to sing with music. They are so clever and I’m in awe of what they share. And, um, I love how some people have connected with me and said, mesh. I’ve had people, um, not, not people. I’ve, I will sit in meditation. We’ve heard the Council of Eight, and I’m like, yeah, they’re not here just for me.

They’re here for everyone. You know, if you think of the symbolism of eight, it’s, it’s infinity, it’s in finite, yet it’s a mirror of who we are, and the universe is this. And it’s, for me, this is what they’re here to show, um, is that we all are connected. And, and that’s why I’m very grateful to you to allow my story to be shared because, you know, it’s, it’s not about me.

It’s about how we can all navigate this journey in this lifetime. But we also have parallel lives that are working through us, or perhaps that we are connecting into, you know, there’s so many different expressions. And, um, for me, what’s important is, is how we feel it. Like, I’m a feeling person. I’m a, like, I’ve gotta feel it.

Like I’ve gotta get goosebumps. Then I know like, yes, that’s it. Um, that’s just me. And other people may have a different, um, experience to what my experience is with connecting with different beings. But I see beyond the veil very easily. So that’s why it’s very important for me to have meditation, to be and to learn what’s going on inside of my body, uh, because I don’t like to project onto others.

So if I’m having a not so good day or my energy levels are flat, I prefer to say to a client, if you don’t mind, can we please postpone? Because I want to come through in the fullness of who I am to show up with somebody else. Does that make sense? Have I answered your question? Sorry. I go off on these tangents and I’m like.

Guy:
it’s. S No, it’s totally great. I’m, I’m just sitting here listening and, and yeah, I, I, I, I think the projection point that you raise as well is so important. I mean, that even that for our everyday lives, let alone when we’re working with people, right? Just checking in with ourselves. How are we feeling?

Am I tired? What, what emotions are actually sitting within me? You know, you can ask anyone on the street, how are you feeling? Everyone just says good. I mean, it’s like, as if it’s the universal feeling good when there’s so much more to us and we don’t actually stop to check in and, and be with what is, and we just project onto everything else through the lens of which we feel, you know, and. If we start to really unpack that and allow what wants to, to, to move and transmute and flow, then our lives would look, I think the world would look a very different place, let alone our

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
with, with that question, a couple of things that come, questions I wanna ask you then. You spoke about the veil being quite thin for you and, and that you can see what, how, how does it, like, how would you describe it when you hear the council of eight?

Or what do you see? Do you actually see with your eyes or do you see with your inner eye, do you third eye within the brain? Like how does it all come together for you? I’m just really curious.

Mich:
Um, sure. That’s a great question. Uh, initially I saw from my third eye, but it’s, it’s both. It’s, it’s a, it’s, I close my eyes when, when I always have this, this moment with them, I go, are you guys ready? They’re like, yep, we are hanging out 24 7, just waiting for you. Like, I have a real jovial relationship with them.

So when I, when I sense I, and, and it’s, it’s, it’s because of the work that I do. I’m just. I’m just in it, you know? Um, and, and that for me is what I love to share with everybody is that we’re just in it. We’re expansive, but our emotions keep us contracted. So I close my eyes, and this is how I talk to myself, was to close my eyes.

I take a few breaths and then they, and, and I, and I’ll get a, we are ready, you know, and they, they, I mean, even as we’re chatting, I know that the, the, the, the resonance of their vibration is very much here right now. ’cause they already had shared with me, I connect with them in meditation. I just ask them to help me, guide me through my day.

And, um, and it’s, I don’t remember as a channel, I remember certain things. Uh, if you had to say to me, Mitch, do you remember this or that? They spoke about that. They spoke about that. Do you remember? I go, oh yes. Oh. But I like to just. Um, it’s kind of like the information comes through, the information comes through, the information comes through for the person that is either sitting here or the, or or anybody that’s listening and, and then it’s like, oh, ’cause I’m very much about, I love being human.

I didn’t like it for a fricking long time and I did wanna check out. There were many times that I was like, ah, man, what’s the point of being here? But I love being human and I think sometimes that’s what we forget as humans is that, you know, people all wanna go out there and, but we here to have the human experience and we here to hug.

We here to just experience life and the best way that we possibly can. And that’s like a smorgasbord of everything. You know, it’s like tasting this and then you don’t like that or having that. And, and that’s what I, I have, it’s kind of like my contract with them is guys. When I’m in myself, when I’m in my space of openness, which I am always in all ways, the connection is very, it’s just instantaneous.

But I have my practice of just closing my eyes and then Michelle, the personality steps aside and they come through. Um, yeah. And it’s very much from here, it’s a very, very much a resonance of, ’cause I can feel my hands starting to get cold even as I’m sharing with you right now. And I can feel that the energies are really starting to come through.

Guy:
So who are the Council of eight? What do they want? What are they doing?

Mich:
Great question. Um, they’re angelic beans of light. This is how they’ve shared themselves. They’re angelic beings of light ascended masters who have once walked these earth planes. Hence, they, they are here to help with us as humans. They share kasic records. Um, they call us up. They share love, they share truth.

And they’re here to fulfill us in our light selves and our selves. Hence the toning and the frequencies that come through my voice. So, as an example, they may share something with you and they may say, you holding onto your mother’s, mother’s, mother’s, mother’s, mother’s, like 11, 12 generations of guilt, let’s say hypothetically of guilt.

And they’ll ask you to have a few, um, breaths and there will sheer toning or a frequency and I never know what that is. It’s always different. Always. And that will be either felt and it’ll start to shift in your vibration. ’cause, ’cause we are frequency. We are a resonance. And um, and I do love how they call people out.

I once had, um, one of the ladies in our group that was moaning, literally, she’s like, I don’t get this. Um, and they went, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I know this ’cause she reminded me, she sent me a very disgruntled message. She’s like, I thought angels are always love. And I said, well, what did they say?

And I, I got a little bit perplexed. I thought, oh shit. What, what, what, what, what did they say? And she said, well, Michelle, they called me out

Guy:
So,

Mich:
and I said, well, did it.

Guy:
this point, you, sorry. So you can’t

Mich:
I was chaing.

Guy:
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Mich:
no. And she had emailed me and she was, luckily enough, she’s just such a beautiful human in the sense that she, she got it. ’cause I said, well, did it bring change? Did they bring change? And she goes, yes. I stopped, I caught myself and now I catch myself when I’m actually bitching and moaning when I’m in my victim of self. So I said, okay. ’cause I really did. I was like, guys, we need to recontract this like you can. And they said, well, people want truth.

So we are here to speak truth. And they have this delightfulness about themselves. They have this, they laugh at stuff that I would at times if I listen to Channelings. I’m like, wow, you laughed at that. And they’re like, well, that’s what we here for is to help you humans to lighten up. And the way they’ve shown themselves in the beginning, to me.

Was, um, they are different energies of Nelson Mandela, lady Diana, mother Teresa, mother Mary, Jesus. But they’ve said it does not matter, you know, we we’re seeking the evidential. They’ve said what matters is what comes through and how it helps us to heal. And that’s what I love. Like even they will talk, they don’t talk about past lives, they talk about past timelines.

And they will say, in a past time, in a past timeline, you did this and this and this. And then the person would say, wow, I can feel that as an example. Your throat was slashed. And they would say, I can feel that energy. And they say, okay, we’ll just take a few breaths and let’s help you to clear that vibration.

They’re very, very, um, aware of helping us not sit in our pain and suffering. And that’s what I really love about how they share. And, um. And, and sometimes they do, they just, they’re very honest and they just share it. And have you heard of the telepathy tapes? This is a sideline.

Guy:
I’ve

Mich:
Um,

Guy:
That’s all. That’s all.

Mich:
okay. Now, if you ever choose to listen to the telepathy tapes and the nonverbal autistic children, they’re very honest. They just pure consciousness and they call us out in the way that we perhaps, you know, they just, their connection in ways and, and that’s what I’m learning. I mean, the Council of eight have shared with me many times. We learn from you humans as much as you learn from us. And that’s what I like. It’s a very much a, it’s a synergy of how we go backwards and forwards.

And it’s a dance, you know, they plant seeds along the way and they will say to us, you guys have free will. We are planting the seeds. What you choose to do with the, the planting of the seed is up to you. And they remind us that we are a powerful guy. That’s what I love because I think a lot of times we’ve forgotten how powerful we are as human beings.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. Y you know, the, um, I, this is more of a question for myself more than, ’cause I ponder on these things. You know, like you spoke about 12 generations ago. holding your grandma’s anger or guilt or whatever it be, or, or now, like in a, in a parallel life or different timeline, you had your throat slashed, know, and you’re holding that. Do you, what are your thoughts on, do they only present themselves when they’re ready to be released? Like, because obviously we, we are not aware of these things that are happening. How could we be unless we go, unless we guide it or going to deep meditative places? What are

Mich:
Mm-hmm. on, on those kind of things that present themselves? also, could we re release ’em ourselves or do we need support? I think everybody’s Bo journey is different. I think that absolutely we can release it ourselves, yet there’s a lot of unconscious. Um, in my own journey, there’s a lot of unconscious, unfiltered stuff that we are not even aware of at times. So, you know, I would give a simple example of if I’m irked by something, well, I can feel un frustrated because.

Perhaps my husband and I have been in an argument and we haven’t really come together and I’m going into town and all of a sudden, an old person at a roundabout, you know, cuts me off. I know that’s my vibration. I know that that’s something going on within me because I’m bringing it in. Um, I personally, on my own journey, have loved to be supported, and I feel that it’s important that we, um, support one another.

We hold one another in whichever way that is felt. Um, I know that I’ve had moments with clients that, uh, we’ve had a deep dive into them themselves, the, the unfiltered layers of what they perhaps are carrying. And sometimes people don’t like to hear what comes up for them, and that’s okay. You know, I, I will say to anybody, ask your heart to bring in, ask the universal connection to bring in.

You. That is it. It’s you universe. There’s you and there’s you. And some people like to do it on in their own way. I most per, per I most certainly don’t. I’ve, I’ve really, I’ve loved to have human beings help me and guide me and help me to see things that I may not wanting to be seen because of my condition or the way that I’ve been taught.

So for me, I show up sometimes and plant medicine is a, is a, have you ever had plant medicine journeys, guys?

Guy:
have, I’ve done one Iowa Ayahuasca journey. Yeah.

Mich:
Yeah, yeah. That I’ve, I’ve done two and, and I’ve done quite a bit of psilocybin. That for me is where you just go, holy, like, like ho oh my God. Oh, okay. And there’s more. It’s, you know, so, but what I, what I feel is important is to allow the integration of plant medicine afterwards,

Guy:
Hmm.

Mich:
because I’ve had people, everything plays its part. And, and, and I’ve had clients who’ve gone into unconscious energy that they’ve suppressed and they, they don’t even know what to do with it. And then they wanna deep dive into more and more and more. And sometimes for, for my understanding, knowing the body and learning our body, is it just working with that, those different layers?

Working with the subconscious, but working with our nervous system. And for me, the more we feel safe in the world, the more we’ll bring humans into our life that will walk the journey with us that can help us navigate. You know, it’s kind of like going into Dark Cave and you, you don’t have a flashlight, but you’ve got somebody who’s spirit you, who’s got somebody who’s going, I’ve got you bud.

’cause that’s what we want. We want community, I believe.

Guy:
uh, absolutely. And you know, I have people around me that show my, show up, my blind spots all the time, know, and, uh, it,

Mich:
it working for you?

Guy:
it works very well. It works very well indeed

Mich:
That’s, um,

Guy:
and, and very needed. But no, I’m a huge believer in mentors and guidance and, and having

Mich:
yeah.

Guy:
have walked the path before

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
you know,

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
is so limited really. And we, we put all our eggs in that basket we, we don’t listen to that knowing and that sense that’s, that’s. Pulsating underneath

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
within us. Um, just as we come to a close to the podcast, I am curious as well in your thoughts, and we spoke about it slightly off the air as well, about if the council wanna share or, or your, or even your own thoughts, either or about we are at the moment, uh, within the planet with, there’s a lot of fear out there.

There’s a lot of change, uncertainty. There’s, there’s things getting bombarded at us all the time, but it feels as well that this information seems, I dunno whether it’s my, my lens I’m looking through because I, I have a podcast and I have these conversations all the time, or that this information is getting out there.

And more and more people are starting to explore these and modalities and, and realize that healing is not just a physical component. It’s, it’s a much

Mich:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
Deeper truth that lays behind the physical, love to get your thoughts on that, or the council thoughts or whatever that might be.

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
are we heading in the right direction or is it truly up to us right now?

Mich:
So, um, if I may give you my thoughts and then perhaps if we have a little bit of time, um, I can channel My thoughts are absolutely 100,000 million percent Yes. Because if you notice how many people are kind of waking up to themselves and waking up to the realities of so much, and, um, and I love, I love how we flipped.

We are flipping, you know, and it’s felt uncomfortable for so many people. Yet at the same time, there is an uncomfortability that is happening energetically for many people. And that’s why I just want to continue sharing joy and love as best as I can and showing up in my own authentic self and saying shit, man, sometimes.

It, it feels so tough. And so, so, uh, out there, who do we believe? Who do we, who do we, who, who, who are we gravitating towards? Who are we bringing in? And it always, always is from here. Um, so if we have some time, I can bring them through and you can just also just say to them, please bring Michelle back based on your timeline. And, um, and I’m sure they will be able to share with.

Guy:
got five minutes. Go for it.

Mich:
Great.

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
Thank you. We are so, so. So, so excited to show up for you today and for many others, and notice how we showed you so, so, so excited. We, as the council of 8, we say to you that humanity is walking through a timeline of generosity, compassion, connecting, connecting, connecting, connecting, connecting, connecting, connecting.

I’ll say it again. Connecting, connecting, connecting into your truth of whom you are. Many of you have walked with your heads down, not wanting to look up, not wanting to rise into your own frequency of source. You are all interconnected. You are well aware of this, so you’re not a beloved guy.

Guy:
Well.

Mich:
are your own truth. You are your own light. You are your own knowing. As we come through Michelle right now, we are not having to sit here and say, beat. Beat. Can you beat? Can your heart beat? What about now? What about now? What about now? Hence, we talk about connection, connection, connection. Everything is as simple as your breath.

Humanity has been destructive. Humans have been destructive. Humans have been in suffering for far too long, and now there’s this momentous occasion where you are all learning to find your newness of who you are within this light body, within this me suit. And there are changes that are happening for humanity and it may feel uncomfortable.

It may feel as if you are wanting to take one arm off and then another arm off. Yet. Place it back and place it back and it is simple. Notice how we are holding Michelle right now. Hug yourselves more. Hug yourselves. More. Hug yourselves More. Hug yourselves more. And we are showing you this as when one is looking outside of themselves, they’re not looking with inside. It is very, very, very different frequency. Do you have any questions for us please?

Guy:
Right now, when we do look outside of ourselves, it, we can feel quite helpless. How, how do, how does one listening to this look inside themselves to feel self-empowered, to know that that they have is already within them? How do we nurture that?

Mich:
As you are nurturing yourself right now with these deep conversations that you are having that is looking inside of yourself, is it not

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
as you smile across at any guest that is sitting opposite you as you smile at your people around you, as you walk and look at an animal, a dog wagging its tail? How many times do humans notice how nature is giving?

All the time the waves come in and the waves go out. This is a sense of nourishment, is it not? So you are all relearning to retune into. This vibration. You are well aware that heart, heart, heart is the truth of love. Love is the only only vibration that truly, truly, truly, truly is a knowing. And as you learn in this human plane at this time, there are many desires that many humans are questioning, let go of what no longer serves you. It may be materialistic, it may not be. It may be friendships, it may not be it yourselves are doing a dance.

And as you allow yourselves to do the dance and notice how we are showing you with Michelle’s body right now, you are all setting yourselves free in this very moment. As this is the only moment that exists in truth, we are honored to show up for you all. We are honored to be here in light, not in the light. In light as we are all deeply connected. May we please end off with a frequency of love?

Guy:
We may

Mich:
Have we answered your question, beloved?

Guy:
have. Thank

Mich:
We thank you. We Thank you Namaste. I am gonna stay.

Guy:
How do you feel?

Mich:
Hmm. I always feel amazing after they’ve come through. I’m like, can we just hang out all the time? How do you feel?

Guy:
I, feel great. I feel that the, as they were coming through, the more they were, I was here just holding space. The more I’ve felt the frequency continue to increase.

Mich:
Wow.

Guy:
Do you remember anything that was said then? Like are you, are you like a passenger in the, in the car or, or do you just permanently, like, where are you?

Mich:
Um, my husband would love to answer you, like nowhere. At times. He calls me a squirrel. Um, I’m here. Like, I know I’m here, I can see you. Um, but my body is just, um. I can feel energy shifting through me. Like, uh, I start to get warm. You know, I can feel my hands are really cold as a, you know, um, someone who works with humans often, you know, clients will go, why are your hands so cold?

And that’s one of the, the myths that I’ve changed for myself. You know, Michelle healers have warm hands. I’m like, oh, okay. Um, but I,

Guy:
thing

Mich:
the only thing I remember is like the, I wanna say the frequency of what comes through. It felt very, very, um, like, like very grounding. Uh, that’s the only thing that I remember.

Guy:
wow.

Mich:
I think you had a question, if I’m not mistaken, around humanity.

Guy:
There’s a

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
in there. They got me to ask them,

Mich:
Wow.

Guy:
Fantastic, mate.

Mich:
you guys.

Guy:
Welcome. Where can people go? We’ll have links in the show notes beneath, uh, the

Mich:
Beautiful.

Guy:
audio, but if, where can we send them?

Mich:
Um, www.meshmichcarpenter.com. Um, and there they’ll be able to see my services and, uh, my offerings. And I mean, very, very, very grateful for this time and for sharing. Uh, I know that for me, the more we share and the more we come together as humans, uh, you know, collaborating like this is what lifts me up.

So, thank you.

Guy:
Oh,

Mich:
Thank you. Thank you.

Guy:
And what services do you offer?

Mich:
So I’m a spiritual medium. I connect with loved ones who have passed over into spirit. Um, and I love to give, um, evidence of who they are. And they also bring through very healing messages. And, uh, I use music a lot of the times. Often, you know, they share things with me on Spotify that I’ve got no idea.

Um, they like to share that they’re here right now, that there is no separation. I work with energy. I, um, and the council of their messages that come through, they’ll, you know, they, they’ll share Kasic records. Um, I never know. They plant seeds with people. And I am working telepathically with nonverbal.

Autistic children and young adults at the moment.

Guy:
Wow.

Mich:
Um, hence I mentioned the telepathy tapes. And, um, I’m very grateful to be, um, someone that is able to help parents, especially when I just tune into the soul of what the soul is showing me or the heart of what the child or the human is showing me. And they share things with parents to let them know that they’re in there.

Guy:
Oh,

Mich:
Um, so

Guy:
Wow, that’s

Mich:
Yeah.

Guy:
Um, I, I question left. I ask everyone on the show, and I almost forgot then, but with everything we covered today, is there anything you wanna leave the listeners to ponder on?

Mich:
Gosh, look at me. That sounds like a heavy sigh. The very thing that comes to me is, and this is just something that, that I was shown many years ago in South Africa, is that love is why we are here. And that’s one of my catchphrases. And it’s not mine. It’s for everyone. We are here to experience love. And love is, is shown in many different ways to many different people.

So I’m gonna offer you my little heart today and, um, just be, be joyful. Be, you know, like, just watch children. They don’t sweat the small stuff. They’re done, you know, they cry, they get up and they’re like, and they want, they just children show us in ways that are, you know, eat ice cream and fricking mess it all over your face.

Um, find the joy, be silly, be quirky, be weird, man. Like, just join the group,

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
be authentic and be real.

Guy:
yeah. Beautiful. You know, I have two young children and they constantly reminded me to bring that inner child outta me. That’s for sure.

Mich:
I love that.

Guy:
it’s pretty

Mich:
I love that.

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
Yeah,

Guy:
Mich, Thank you so much.

Mich:
Thank you so much. Yeah,

Guy:
and I’m sure it’s not the last time either. Thank you so

Mich:
Uh, I look forward to it. And welcome to New Zealand when you are here next weekend.

Guy:
we’ll be in Toga Auckland running our workshops. And I got a funny

Mich:
Beautiful.

Guy:
won’t, it’ll be the first of many. do. Yeah. It’s

Mich:
Amazing. And may you be blessed with the spirit of, um, the Easter Islanders and the Maori people and, um, let me know if you ever come to Nelson. ’cause it’s some beautiful spaces here too.

Guy:
good

Mich:
Um, yeah.

Guy:
I, I can’t wait. The, the Welsh blooded me is resonating very strongly with New Zealand. I, I assure

Mich:
Come on man.

Guy:
amazing.

Mich:
if you can just, um, you know, the energy, their presence is just, it’s, it’s strong. The travel.

Guy:
manner.

Mich:
just honor that manner is so strong and it’s, um, just, yeah, I think you’ll, you’ll feel it. I can feel it.

Guy:
Yeah.

Mich:
I feel like I wanna

Guy:
Yeah. It’ll be awesome.

Mich:
enjoy. Thank you so much, Guy.

Guy:
Mich. Bye-Bye.

Mich:
You’re welcome. Bye.