#116 My awesome guest this week is award-winning Master Hypnotherapist and Hypnotherapy Instructor Paul Aurand.
His story blew my mind! He got struck by lightning just after putting his three-year-old son in the back of the car. He awoke 45 minutes later and was rushed to the hospital. He thought he was going to die. After months of recovery, Paul decided to go under hypnotherapy and dive into his subconscious mind. What was revealed with his NDE (near death experience) is even more mind-blowing, and an experience that changed the direction of his life forever. Enjoy!
About Paul Aurand: Paul Aurand is a dynamic educator, award-winning Master Hypnotherapist and Hypnotherapy Instructor who has worked in the field for over 35 years. He has been honored as “Educator of the Year” “Therapist of the Year” and “Hypnotherapist of the Year.
Paul Aurand was the first elected President of The Michael Newton Institute (TNI) and is TNI’s Director of Education and a lead trainer. He is the Founder and Director of the Holistic Healing Center in New York City.
Paul has been featured in film and television (Flipside, On the Threshold, Dying to Know, and Discovering Regression Therapy) for his work with the groundbreaking Life Between Lives Regression Therapy developed by Dr. Michael Newton. Paul is the originator of the Soul Essence Activation and the Body Wisdom Process.
Paul has a passion for teaching and lectures widely in North and South America, Australia, Europe, and Turkey.
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Guy: Hi, my name is Guy Lawrence. And thanks for tuning into my podcast today. If you’re enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this transformational work, be sure to come back to guylawrence.com.au and join me as we go further down the rabbit hole. Enjoy the show.
Guy: Paul, welcome to the podcast.
Paul: Thanks so much for having me. Good to meet you.
Guy: Likewise. Now I always ask on the show, Paul, if you are on an airplane and a complete stranger asks you what you did for a living,
Guy: What would you say?
Paul: I guess it would take the whole flight and probably an international
Paul: flight, um, to say it in a few words.
Paul: I use a lot of different means but primarily expanded consciousness so that people can really reconnect with themselves. I think or society, the world is so outward focused. Um, we need to turn inward and look for answers within ourself and not from our mental mind, but from our heart and our very own soul. And it’s become hard for us to hear what it is our hearts and souls are saying. And rather than having someone be dependent on someone else to give them answers, I have a lot of tools I can offer someone to learn, to listen to their own heart and their own soul so they can live from there.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. What’s the general reaction you get if you mentioned the word consciousness or going within or to stop looking externally for answers. Cause we definitely live in a society and I certainly lived a large part of my life, always looking outside of myself to try and fill
Guy: something that was missing within.
Paul: Hmm. I’ve seen a big change. I began this work in the early seventies.
Guy: Oh wow!
Paul: And as I trained and reached out as a professional, I started doing hypnotherapy. There are really two schools of thoughts with hypnotherapy. One is that the therapist offers suggestions to the more highly suggestible person to affect change in the person’s life. But the other somewhat underused aspect of hypnotherapy is that in hypnosis and so people, so misunderstand what hypnosis is, um, that was a biggest challenge early on. I think there’s more understanding, more research now. But the other thing that happens in hypnosis is that a person’s consciousness expands beyond the limits of their mental mind, right? And I think that’s a better way to explain what hypnosis is and it’s a very underused aspect of what it is. And once you achieve that more expanded state of consciousness, then you can do things like parts therapy, person facilitate a with different parts or aspects of yourself, including the wise one within.
Paul: Um, and you can do regression with the person. So regression isn’t a guided session in this matter, reading about their past lives or something, but it’s a way to access the memories that are stored in the person’s body and their deeper mind or subconscious mind, but also access the memories in the soul. And that’s where the real value is. I believe. You know, we have lifetimes of experience as a spiritual being, as a soul. And once we join with this human body and human mind, we get that amnesia. We get, we forget who we are and why we came here. And so, especially with regression therapy, we can remember many of our previous experiences that we can learn and grow from. We can remember why we came and what we came here to do. So we can live much more intentionally. And it, I love it because it isn’t someone telling me you should do this or this is what you’re here to do. When it’s a true remembering from within, it’s much easier to own it. And also then to live it.
Guy: Sure. You know, it’s really fascinating, Paul. Like for me, a few, if I had heard you say that 10 years ago, it would’ve just felt completely removed. You know, like, and I was always in my thinking mind and trying to solve everything from my thinking mind. I was completely disconnected from my body and I had no idea there was wisdom in there. Or even the word soul
Guy: felt like just completely foreign to me.
Guy: And, and it’s only from having certain life experiences along the way, which I’ve spoke about before in the podcast is really want me to lean into this and start to look within. But I also think there’s a great fear for many people to start looking
Guy: in the first place.
Guy: Um, why do you think that is?
Paul: Well, I see it with regression therapy besides the confusion about hypnosis or how regression works is I have to say people do come in with a preconception or a concern about what they might find. Have they been a bad person in their life that something bad happened that they’ve forgotten? So I think, I think that’s a common fear. The truth is we’ve all done things that we aren’t proud of,
Paul: but earth really is a school. We’re here to learn and grow as a soul. We make a very conscious choice to come with great intention on what it is we want to work on, what we want to learn. Um, and although it might seem scary at first to start to explore that once, you know, it really transforms your life in a very positive way. I’ll never forget, I had a very successful businessmen, I think he was in investment and insurance come in for these sessions. I believe it was a stretch for him. He’d had some, uh, it lost his wife. And I think that was the beginning of his, his search. And he had a really good past life aggression that was, we did in preparation for his life between life progression. Let’s go back to that time when you’re not in body, but your soul and spirit preparing to come back into body.
Paul: And he came for that session and wasn’t able to successfully get into that state. And we talked about it after and he really had a deep concern that if he actually made this journey to find out who he is and why he’s here, but his entire life would change and that he would lose everything important to him is his work, his money, his family. I said, you know, I understand the concern, um, and you need to know if you’re ready to do this or not. But I’ve never had the experience where someone lost everything important to them. Values change, focus changes, but really only in a, in a very, very positive way.
Paul: You know, I started this work very early. I was in my twenties and 20 years ago. I got struck by lightning.
Guy: I know, it’s incredible. I was cause that was going to be my next question.
Guy: If you could share that story because I was standing in the kitchen with Petra and she’d just come back from your teachings in the U S and she shared your story with me and I was, my mind was blown. So sorry. Yet please interrupt.
Paul: No, no, it blew my mind in more than one way. My mind really didn’t work very well for quite a long time. Um, in some ways that was a relief. It was very transformative, but this was transformation that I didn’t initially set out to do, sort of happened to me. And I think that when these kinds of events occur, it can lead to our demise or it can lead to us learning and growing and sort of rising up out of the gaining something from it. Um, but it, it truly changed me. I mean, I was already doing much of this work therapy, some regression, but the consciousness that I do it with, how I live my life, what was important to me and what became much more important to me changed profoundly in a very, very good way.
Paul: Right. It can seem a little scary at first, but it felt, it really feels very liberating. Uh, so, so anyways, where were you? What happened when you got struck? Yeah, so my son was participating in a small Lake swim meet, so it was outdoor swimming, uh, at a small Lake on the border of New York and New Jersey. And we were, the meet was about to begin. And in the far distance, the lifeguards heard the rumble of thunder. And there’s generally a rule in a pool or Lake or ocean. If there’s thunder lightning, of course, then they want people out of the water. So they postpone the meat for 20 minutes. I think there’s a 20 minute rule. And um, it was sunny. It was not cloudy, not raining, but often the distance you could hear this and it got postponed a second time. And my youngest son, who was three then was sort of antsy and we decided to go ahead and leave the swim meets.
Paul: So I walk up the Hill to where the car was parked and was putting the cooler and the beach chairs into the back of the car. And well, thank God I put my son into the car first. If he was standing in the street when it happened to me, he wouldn’t have survived. Your survival depends a lot on body mass and weight and a few other things. But I put him in the car and honestly I didn’t know what it was cause the storm hadn’t begun. I know now that lightning can traveled about seven miles from the front of a storm coming in. And that’s what happened.
Guy: Seven miles.
Paul: Yeah. So it was still sunny, clear. And as I was loading the car, my whole world exploded.
Paul: White light, not the good kind being enlightening or next to it. Um, and the loudest explosion you could ever possibly imagine. You know how loud thunder can be, but it’s when it’s right there. So I just knew something exploded. And then I began to be electrocuted. I was standing in the street, people were further back, saw the lightning tentacles go up my legs. What happened is it passed through my body. There’s always an entrance and an exit with lightning. So it went up my legs inside of me, came out an arc here between my arm and chest, went through my hand, blew the keys out of my hand. It went into the car, melted out the wiring system in the car, went off the front of the car as ball lightning and knocked another person down. So I’m standing rigid convulsing and the street people said that this, um, I wear a baseball cap. Keep my head out of the sun. I think living in Australia. Know what that’s, they said my baseball cap blew off my head like, uh, in a cartoon. Um,
Paul: so rigid convulsing. When the lightening finished and this happens to many people, apparently it can throw you. So I th I actually, they said flew up and down and landed on my head. That’s about, I’m not sure exactly how long I was gone because it was sunny when it happened. I had enough time during the electrocution to realize I was being electrocuted. I thought, well, I have, I couldn’t really move, but I, I, I said I have rubber sandals on. I should be insulated, but I wasn’t, and I wondered there were power lines overhead. I wondered if it was coming from there. If a transformer had exploded, what it was. I didn’t know it was lightening. When I woke up, I was in water about this deep hail rain. I’m used to a huge storm. People’s phones weren’t working. There were trees down. It took the ambulance 45 minutes to get there because the roads were blocked by fallen trees.
Paul: Most hospitals don’t know what to do with you if you survive a lightning strike because many people don’t. Um, they brought us to a hospital. My son was fine. He heard me screaming, but he was inside the car, so he was insulated. He was protected. So he saw it. He heard it. But he wasn’t affected by the light. They did a lot of tests. At the hospital, didn’t really know what to do. And after a few hours released me, um, and I was brought home the next morning, I felt as though I’d been run over by a hundred dump trucks. My whole body ached from having convulsed like that. I called my insurance company at the time I had, um, not very good insurance and they had a clause that if you didn’t call within 24 hours, they didn’t have to cover you for your emergency room visit. So I called don’t know how I remembered that, but I did.
Paul: They were shocked, kept me on the phone forever, asked me a lot of questions. I didn’t know it, but it was a triage nurse that then said, wait a minute, came back on the line and said, you have to go back to the emergency room right now. We’ve made arrangements. You must go back there. Now when my insurance company wanted me to go to the emergency room, I knew that I had a problem. Apparently your heart can stop within the first three days of that kind of shock and said, never should have been released. You need to get back to the hospital now, had more tests, came home after that. Again, they didn’t really know to do. Um, and I struggled. I struggled on a number of levels physically. Um,
Paul: I had some problems with my immune system, some other issues that I had to have surgery for. But the most prominent thing was my memory loss, short term memory. I couldn’t work for months because someone would say their name to me when they came for a session. I couldn’t remember a minute later what it was. I was out with my son in the car and pulled into the gas station to put gas in the car. And he looked at me funny. I said, what are you doing dad? I have to put gas in the car. And he said, you just put gas in the car. And it was unfold. But I had no memory of this. Right. So I mean there were other things like being afraid of electricity and it’s nonsensical, but I was afraid to touch a light switch or that the refrigerator or something that had power in it like that.
Paul: Um, so I guess it was about six months after the strike, I went, I had, um, sponsored a therapist, David quickly to come from California to teach workshop at my center called somatic healing. Okay. And he was, he saw I was in pretty rough shape and he said, let me do the demonstration for the group on you normally wouldn’t go for that if I’m sponsoring a workshop, but I really needed to work. So he had me lay down and slowly through the body he regressed me back to a few moments before the lightning strike. I went back to that faithful moment of putting my son in the car and really began to cry, realizing that would have happened. What would have happened if I hadn’t put him in the car. And then he took me in very slow motion through the entire process of lightning entering my body, being electrocuted, convulsing, fighting it with all my being.
Paul: And this was one key thing that you probably know from your work. It was that resistance, that giant, ah, it caused the trauma to really be lodged in my body. So I was having back pain, memory loss, some other conditions. Um, and this is where the therapist said, okay, now this time, welcome it. Don’t find it very counter intuitive, but it was in the welcoming of it that helped release what was stuck in my body. All right, so was it scary to consider going back there? Yes, but I was pretty desperate to go back and work on this and as I released it, then what happened was the memories of that missing time came back where I’ve really felt myself leave body and return to what I call home.
Paul: That’s where the real transformation came after awakening that next morning after the lightning strike, I knew something was different. I felt different. I knew I had survived something very scary, but I didn’t know what had happened. And so it was during that regression that those memories flooded back of being out of body and not being dead or still being conscious of making this return journey back to home. I didn’t see angels per se, people talk about this or light beings really. But I felt completely enveloped in unconditional love. And it’s something I think that we strive for or want to exhibit or experience or long for.
Paul: And I experienced that and it’s something I carry within me. I know it exists, I’ve had the experience and I have a more capacity to live that having experienced it, it’s really beyond description. Wow. So when you, when you were in the regression, you feeling that unconditional love and absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So when I conducted a regression, one of the things I make sure of is to say, don’t just remember this. We experience it. And that’s one of the beauties is knowing that that exists and, and, and then carrying it inside. The other thing that people talk about in the consciousness movement is oneness. We’re all one. Well, what does that mean? No, I understand the concept that we’re all connected. We’re all one. But while I was there, I truly had the experience of being one with the universal sea of consciousness, if you will. And it was so interesting that I had a sense of self, but no sense of separation at all. And that experience gives me a very different perspective on life. On people on relationships because we are all connected. We are all one. I think some people describe this in NDE experiences, they describe it on hallucinogenic experiences. Um, for me you can read about it, you can believe in it. The to really have that experience. It’s profoundly chain altering,
Paul: changing, transformative. Yeah. Yeah.
Guy: Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. I was going to say what happened next once you have an experience like that?
Paul: I’ve been doing therapeutic healing work again, like I said since the 70s. Um, I knew very early on since I was 20 that this was my path and I started on it and only looked back once or twice. I would say I never looked back, but I did once or twice when financially things were really tough. Um, but I always knew that’s what I was here to do and, and have really lived it much like the choice you, you made recently I think. Um, and so I didn’t have the typical life review that some people talk about or some of our past life regression or life between life aggression clients have.
Paul: I had the experience of feeling the appreciation from all those people whose lives I touched and the therapeutic work that I’d done since early on. It’s nice to get paid for our work with this. Nothing is valuable or meaningful is, is feeling that knowing you’ve had that kind of impact or effect on someone. And there were hundreds, thousands really, and it’s hard to describe, but just feeling that kind of waves of that, that was really a beautiful experience too. And then there were a few personal meaningful messages and one has really become a theme of how I live and what I teach. And that was a simple message really. It was listening,
Paul: and they said, well, you have a very good mind, but you’d depend way too much on it. Listen, listen to your heart, listen to your soul, listen to us, listen to your guides. And I didn’t have a clue. I was good at what I did, the techniques and caring, but to really turn inward and listen, that was new for me. And so I’ve really worked on that and developed methods to do that myself and to teach other people how to listen to their body and with the messages when they’re ill or there’s some discomfort. Um, and then to go even further past that, to listen to the heart and listen to the soul.
Guy: Sorry, I’ve got to ask because this question came up in a workshop for us the other week and I thought, wow, it was such a good point. And the question was, was like, do we have to hit rock bottom or tragedy or be struck by lightning to have these profound experiences to be able to, yeah, I
Paul: think it’s an opportunity. Like I said, it can kill you or ruin you or you can rise up from it and grow from it. Um, two things is, when I, I did, I went to a therapeutic group for lightning strike and electric shock survivor support group. Oh wow. There’s actually a group, there’s only two people in the group now. Um, but this group was talking about all the terrible things that were going to happen as a result of that experience that I would have cataracts, cancerous tumors, be depressed on and on. I said, that’s not really a support group for me. That doesn’t help me to commiserate and hypnotize ourselves and to believe in we’re going to get even worse. So I went a different direction with it and said, how can I grow from this? What can I do with it? Yeah. But I think the other thing guy that’s even more important that I see from doing the life between life regression sessions is that as human beings, we all hold certain beliefs to be true as a soul. We hold beliefs to be true also, it’s not just in our mind, in our human body, but the soul carries certain beliefs over lifetimes and it is not an on common belief for the soul to have that. I can only grow through suffering.
Paul: Some religions teach it. It’s in some philosophy, but there are souls who suffer over and over again thinking that’s the best way to grow. And when I can get them into spirit with their guides, the guides will most often tell them there are other ways to grow. I have someone who can, who suffered so much in this life and in past life, horrific lives. And her big question was, why do I suffer so much? Was I a bad person? Is this karma? Was I horrible? Why am I being punished? What did I do wrong? When she met her guides, she asked him, why do I suffer so much? And they said, because you believe you have to suffer to grow. It’s not true. You suffer because you believe that’s how you’re going to grow. So it keeps happening. There are other ways to grow. And the soul held that belief so deep it had trouble receiving that message, understanding that message. I mean, if you think we incarnate here on earth to learn and grow,
Paul: If the soul doesn’t, if the soul doesn’t have some misunderstandings, some false beliefs, why does it need to incarnate? We come because we want to resolve these things and grow beyond them and we do it over and over. Right? So I think helping someone access,
Paul: well, it’s three things really in the work I do. One is stored emotions. I’m sure you do it too in your workshops, but it’s the emotions that we carry in our bodies, but I see it in past life. Someone is killed because they were trying to help someone and they were misunderstood. They come back to this life and they carry the fear. They carry the anger, they carry the resentment from that misunderstanding from that, how they were treated for being killed, for what they were doing. It isn’t just in our human bodies and it’s not just in our mind. We actually carry emotions through lifetimes and you can do all the talk therapy you want to do and you’re not going to resolve that. It starts you in the right direction. The body, right? Yep. It’s in the body, but it’s in the salt. It’s beyond the body. It’s even deeper. That’s incredible. It’s really in layers. Yeah.
Guy: And I’ve got, sorry. No, please finish. First I was going to ask you a question because [inaudible] would definitely be, uh, because like speaking of air from my own experience as well, I’ve had experience where it becomes like a larger consciousness part of myself and experienced that unconditional love. And when you have an experience like that so it changes the game like you said. So it’s always, it’s, it’s allowed me to become very curious and open and actually question everything, but look at everything with an open mind and an open heart. And my life has just continued to expand them flow way beyond I could ever imagine from doing so. But at the same time, I know it is a lot of skepticism around past life regression.
Guy: um, that we, we live many lives. Um, what have you seen from your own cases to keep reaffirming that from the people that you see on the table? Cause I was reading about somebody speaking a completely foreign language,
Paul: which you said I’ve had it happen rarely, but I’ve had it happen. So let me come back to that and just finish the points. So stored emotion beliefs and survival strategies. What do you learn to do to stay safe and get love? These are the three biggies I think that we’re wanting to resolve in this life and from previous, so to go back to past life. Yeah. When I, when I did my first past life aggressions, they were really accidental. They were not intentional. I was working in a medical office, chronic chronic pain patients that were in great pain. I worked there for five years. It was some of my best training really because nothing I learned it was doing was working. So I really had to come up with something more effective. I couldn’t stand seeing people feel better for a day or a week and back again.
Paul: Um, and sorry, I was going hip, no anesthesia and pain management. And one of my patients who wasn’t, I mean past life aggression was not part of her frame of reference or belief system. She was an educator. Um, I’m doing something called Burmese method where we haven’t focused on the pain. In her case it was the right shoulder and they imagine the pain as a ball and they shrink the ball down and as they shrink it then often they get relief from the pain. And so I have her focus on this and in hypnotic and hypnosis and she starts to describe the scene of being a slave, stealing food for her starving son cause there’s not enough food for everyone. She’s stealing bread from the masters house. He catches her and beats her to death. The process stomps on her shoulder and crushes the shoulder.
Paul: I didn’t know how to facilitate a regression, but I knew enough to just keep her telling the story and going through it until we got to the end. And she came out. I didn’t know if she’d had a psychotic break. If it was fantasy allegorical, I really didn’t know what it was. She didn’t know what it was either. But she said, my arm doesn’t hurt anymore. And she had chronic shoulder pain for seven years. They’d done immobilization, pain meds, physical therapy. Now they wanted to do exploratory surgery. Let’s see what’s going on in there. We don’t know. She said no. So she came to me, magic bullet one session hypnosis. Um, she said it doesn’t hurt anymore. I said, well, we’ll come back next week. She came back two weeks later. She said, no, I’m bowling again. My arm is fine. Was she a slave? Was she killed?
Paul: Did he stomp on her shoulder? I don’t know. All I know is her condition improved. We got the result we wanted. So I said, well, I’m not trying to sell past life or convince her of anything. Fine. But it happened two times, three times, four times, five times. I said, no, I need to learn how to do this and see what, see what’s going on. Um, and so started practicing it. I kept it separate from the medical practice cause yeah, back in the and would that be, um, mid, that was before I was, I don’t remember many lives. Many masters was out yet, but mean it was still so, whew. I kept it separate until I think Brian Wise wrote more on Michael Newton, a few others, Dolores cannon, um, and people started coming sort of out of curiosity. I don’t think most people look at it as a therapeutic treatment and it really is.
Paul: Um, but more out of curiosity, let’s, I wonder if I had a past life or not. Right. Um, but after the lightening strike and my own regression back to that time realizing consciousness continues, I really began to search to explore how I could guide someone through a session to have that kind of profound experience to meet their own soul, to meet their guys, to remember their purpose here and past life seemed close to it, but was still missing something. And it wasn’t until 2001 when I went down to Virginia Beach where Michael Newton was doing his first life between life regression training. And I saw him do the one and only live demonstration of LDL. And I said, he figured it out. That guy figured out how to get someone from the death scene in the past life in the spirit and then go through this whole process that we hadn’t really discovered yet.
Paul: And he, he really mapped it. He created the methodology and the people could repeat. He did about 7,000 case studies before he wrote his books about it and then began to teach people how to do it. So it was well researched. And for me that’s really the most effective way I know to be able to get someone into that expanded state of consciousness, to remember who they are or to experience themselves is the immortal beating that they are and interact with guides and loved ones that are there to love us and support us and help us with this process. Incredible. I remember I got in my notes about a pilot study with 20, right. So, because I have this interest, because my own near death experience about 10 years ago, there’s a cardiologist that came down from Canada to study with me, um, took my training and in hypnotherapy and in regression therapy and he has a curiosity about it as a cardiologist.
Paul: Of course he sees people die. Um, he sees people revived and he hears these fantastic stories from patients about meeting loved ones are being sent back or going into the light feeling unconditional love. And so he organized a pilot study with 20 of his sudden cardiac arrest patients that had told him some of these stories and ask me to come and regress them back to that time when their heart stops. And before the resuscitated. So we had 20 patients, some of them had were risk test resuscitated very quickly within one or two minutes, cause they were in the hospital. I’m one of the 20. It was actually over an hour that she was in the wilderness on a kayaking trip and I was with, yeah. So she was with other doctors and nurses and there was no cell phones, so they had signals. So they had to get on a boat and get her to a place where there was a signal. So they were able to rotate through the group doing mouth to mouth and chest compression. So they kept her alive until they could get an ambulance and resuscitate her.
Paul: Most of these people are minors in this mining town in Canada, North West of Toronto, and they told very consistent, very fantastic stories about an a very, as a matter of fact, way often of, Oh, I don’t know who these people are. Oh, Oh, those are the paramedics. They’re coming. There’s all these people standing around it. They have this machine there. They’re putting a something on it or they’re going to opening. They’ve cut my shirt open. Oh, they’re putting one on my chest and they’re putting one on the side of me. I said, where are you watching this on norm hovering above everyone? I’m behind everyone. Oh, they’re gonna. They’re shocking my body. But, uh, I don’t think I’m gonna make it. And then they’ll drift off. Or sometimes when they’re shocked, they go back into the body. I had one guy, my first, my first one there, this big miner.
Paul: He’s in the chair or so. He realizes, Hey, he’s having a heart attack. He gets in his car and he drives to a hunting lodge where he and those, they have the defibrillator five miles. He gets there and tell us if I’m having a heart attack. They think he’s joking around and he collapses before they can get the defibrillator. He leaves his body. He goes to this beautiful field, grassy field and his favorite hunting dog that was long gone, comes bounding through the field towards him looking at this big guys in the, he’s just crying, crying. Then he sees someone else starting to appear and then they shock him back into the body, opens his eyes and said, why don’t you do that for, I was good to go. Oh, it’s heart stops again. He goes back and then he meets his grandmother again. This guy is just balling and the grandmother says, it’s not your time.
Paul: You have to go back. It gives them some other grammar that gives them other very personal messages. He feels so loved and cared for. That was really the big thing for him. Love and cared for and then back into body. So these are wonderful stories that are documentable because there’s medical records, um, and very consistent. So we’re in the second stage of a three stage process for a bigger grant now to do 50 of these sudden cardiac arrest patients and we’ll publish that. That’ll, yeah, that’ll be published in medical journal. What we did was already shown at the ions international association of counselor on, I’m sorry, not international association of near death studies. We sh we have video of it. If you want to see some of that, I’ll be glad to show you. Um, we presented that last year at the conference and he presented at the cardiologist, presented it at ground rounds at his hospital twice now.
Paul: Um, and they’re really fascinated. I believe they’ll fund it. They’re really interested in what this is is fascinating. I’ve had both, um, Anita Moorjani on the show and Eben. Alexandra. Yeah. Well I need to speak beautiful. And Eben, um, I had the opportunity to regress Evan. Oh wow. Okay. Back to that time. So his one of his main main points is so essential, I think. And that’s that because his brain was offline, right? He was brain dead. That’s right. Completely free from any restriction of mental mind. And in my experience regressing Eben is that he was able to go further and deeper than anyone I’ve experienced before when he, so some people will speak from their mind, some people will speak from memories, from subconscious mind, some will speak from their soul, and when their soul speaks, it’s not channeling another spirit, but it’s their own consciousness.
Paul: And this more expanded and enlightened state and it’s very firm and wrapped. It’s very different than when we speak from our own mind. When Eben spoke in that state, it was not his own soul. He spoke more as though this was the universe speaking, that this, this greater consciousness than us that we’re all connected to. We’re speaking through him. You can hear in the tone of his voice, the vocabulary and the things he’s saying. Just just mind blowing. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Not last question for you before I move on. Um, for anyone listening to this today and all this might be new to them, but they might be in chronic pain or they might not be listening to the body or w what would you suggest some to start with? Something simple just to stop bringing awareness [inaudible] so I think when we experience pain, whether it’s emotional or physical, our immediate reaction to it is to try to not feel it, to anesthetize it, to numb it, to ignore it, to dissociate or disconnect from it.
Paul: And we need to do, it’s just exactly the opposite of that. It’s about, as you said, be in your body. It’s about feeling into it. It’s about entering into a relationship with it. This can be hard if it’s a cancerous tumor or some disease that threatens your life, but it demands attention. And I can’t say how important it is to put your hand on the center of your chest for a moment and breathe and feel, feel the physical sensation of your hand there. You know, we call our emotions feelings because every emotion has a corresponding physical sensation of feeling. And if you’re disconnected from your emotions, then begin to feel physically what’s going on in your body. I feel my hands, my chest feels, I can feel it going up and down as I breathe. So that’s the beginning of going in and once we can start to feel into your body, well, what emotions am I experiencing right now?
Paul: I feel happy. I feel sad, I feel angry. I have a number of feelings and emotions. Our mind says, well, they should have this feeling or I shouldn’t have that feeling, but it doesn’t matter what we think we should feel. We just feel. And so I think that’s the first step to going in is this feeling. And then the next thing is that we’re used to using our mental minds to figure out things. Most of the patients I saw wouldn’t be there sitting with me if they’d been able to figure it out. And it wasn’t that they were dumb or hadn’t thought about it. They’d spent years thinking about it, researching it, but they didn’t get the answers because they were using their mental mind. And I would teach them how to get out of their mind and go into their heart and start to know what they feel.
Paul: And once you do that, you’re one step closer to that inner wisdom, that inner knowing. You’ll listen to what your heart’s saying. You listen to what you’re feeling and then have that conversation. Be willing to listen to what it is that irritable bowel system wants to tell you. Listen to that pain in your gut that’s full of guilt or anger. Start to listen to it and ask it what it needs. It’s the, and it’s not a thinking process. It’s a more of a intuiting. It’s more of a going at it from a, not a mental state, but a more expanded state of consciousness, a more open place. And your body is full of great wisdom. I mean, if you cut your hand, how does it possibly heal? We can’t really fully understand that process, but it knows how. So trust your body knows trust. There’s something in you that knows and start to begin to learn to listen to that. It will tell you, you just have to listen.
Guy: Beautiful. And when you think of the way we live in Western society now is so, you know, we’re so busy, we’re so disconnected. We’re so connected to external, you know, the internet, social media stress, like we barely give us ourselves permission to stop and start to listen.
Paul: Yeah. We’re all on our way to becoming ATD. I think. Here I am with my phone, my laptop, my headset, my, yeah. Yeah. But I also have hope as I, I’ve been in this field a long time and I see a growing interest in altered consciousness. I see a growing interest in expanded consciousness. I see many more people talking about and many more books about near death experiences and, and greater consciousness. And that’s encouraging. We need it so much. But, uh, I think it is growing. I really do. Yeah,
Guy: absolutely. Yeah. I mean from even from what we are doing where we were seeing that, you know, it’s just incredible. Here you are in Australia asking me about these things and you’re going to reach out to how many people with this. I think that’s fantastic. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. Yeah. So I asked a few questions on the show every week, and, um, and this one you probably would have touched on, but I’ll ask it to you anyway, um, is, um, if one low point in your life have you had, that has later become a blessing?
Guy: Yeah. And do you, would you look at the lightning strike as a blessing?
Paul: Absolutely. Transformative. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’ve had other things as well, difficult things. Um, and it’s through those difficult things. I think that I, again, it can beat you down or you rise up, you know? And I think in most cases I’ve found something within myself. I’d rather make the choice to grow and to have it sort of happened to me, but we don’t always have the choice, I guess, or maybe we’ve made the choice on a higher level. Um, but yeah, and it’s amazing for me to hear like I need the more Johnny say I was full of cancer that killed me and I, I have no regrets. I’m glad that that happened. You know, look at how it’s transformed me.
Paul: So I still want to remind people that yes, we grow through those difficult experiences, but we can grow in other ways as well. Yeah.
Guy: Um, if you could have dinner with anyone tonight, from anywhere in the world, any timeframe, maybe even two or three people on the dinner table, who do you think you’d have them?
Paul: That’s a great question and I want to give you a, a joke answer, but I don’t want to either. Um, yeah. Well I think there were a couple of people on the other side that I like to have that dinner with and one of them is Michael Newton. We were good friends. I really miss him. Um, it was a very wise man that did some amazing work with life between life regression and I have a sense he’s doing something equally important from that side. So he’s the first one that comes to mind by Joel cancer was going to be about some politician, but I’ll let, I’ll let someone else work with them.
Guy: You wouldn’t be the first to joke about that either.
Paul: Well, not my job. You know, I really think that I lived a lot of my life thinking well because I can, I should. And it’s, it’s, it’s really not true. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And I think that, um, we have to pick and choose our battles where we want to put our energy and I’ll let us someone else be the revolutionary or, or deal with that other realm.
Guy: Yeah. Fair enough. Um, with everything we’ve covered today, um, is there anything you’d like to leave our listeners to ponder on?
Paul: Yeah. Turn inward. Listen, look inside. Notice how you’re feeling. What’s your body telling you? What’s your heart telling you? What’s your soul telling you? There’s great wisdom within you. Trust that great, great wisdom beyond intellect, right? We need our intellect to function. When someone has a big aha and one of these spiritual sessions, they then need to use their mental mind to figure out what to do with it and their day to day life. But you’ve got to move beyond mental mind. You have to allow consciousness to expand beyond limits of mental mind and listen to the heart. I hear it over and over, listen to your heart. But I want to say you have to go beyond the heart, the good step in the right direction, but you have to go further than that and listen to that soul. Listen to that inner why is one with him. Yeah.
Guy: Amazing. Where can people, uh, get more of you Paul basically if they want to learn more and check you out. Cause I believe you, like you mentioned before well, which I forgot to mention, you’ve got a new book coming out soon as well.
Paul: So of course my website, Paulaurand.com and the book will be out in 2021.
Paul: We’re going around yet about the title, but um, right now we’re calling it essential healing and that has two meanings, really. One is some of the essential healing that we all need to do to become whole. And the other is healing from your soul essence. So my idea is that it’s, you want to heal from inside out. So you make the journey in, reconnect with that, authentic you, that soul essence, and from that soul essence, then break through those layers of stored emotions, misbeliefs and survival strategies that have accumulated over lifetimes to once again be who you are, remember who you are, and be that
Guy: Beautiful. Paul, thank you so much for coming on the show today. That was incredible, and uh, I loved every minute of it. Every minute of going down the rabbit hole and, uh,
Guy: really a pleasure.
Guy: Yeah. Thank you for all that you do. It’s a, it’s wonderful. And, uh, I’m here today because of Petra Brzovic connected me with you as well.
Paul: Thank you, Paul. Thank you so much.
Paul: Thanks for putting this out there.