#4 This week my special guest is David O’Brien from 5th Element Wellness.
We dive into the topic of one of the offical Blue Zone areas in Sardinia and dig into the life lessons we can learn and apply from the happiest and healthiest people on the planet. If you want to live longer, but healthier and happier during the process… then this episode is for you.
About Dave: He is the fitness director of 5th Element Wellness. He has dedicated his life to individually tailoring wellness and fitness strategies to improve peoples lives.
Having spent over a decade being educated by the world leaders in their respective fields, he has gone on to combine their knowledge to successfully develop his own strategies accumulated from his learning and honed through experience.
Ultimately applying holistic solutions leaving people better informed, and feeling great.
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Guy: Dave mate. Welcome to the show.
Dave: Guy, thanks for, thanks for having me looking forward to this.
Guy: Yeah, I was going to say almost welcome back, but this is a brand new podcast and.
Dave: that’s what makes it more exciting, mate?
Guy: Yeah. Thanks man. And, um, cause you did, I remember mentioning on the 180 for anyone that’s listening to this, just to listen to the 180 nutrition podcast or still does hopefully as well, but you appeared three times on there. I made the wall of fame, mate. I was wondering if you like, from that exposure, will you get my people stopping me on the street in Melbourne?
Dave: No, no, no celebrity status mate. So but look yet it was a, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s helped sort of spread the message that I’m trying to spread. Um, and you know, I guess it’s exposed sort of fifth element to, uh, even people abroad. Like we get a lot of people contacting us from New Zealand. I think we actually even had some on the other day from Serbia, believe it or not. So, yeah. And that’s all as a result of a 180 nutrition and the podcast. So, um, yeah, it was a great experience and
Guy: you just never know who’s listening and actually, I love it. And that’s why, you know, even after stepping down from one 80, I was very keen to continue and start a new podcast and just see where this one takes me this journey, you know, it was an amazing four and a half years as a 180 podcast, but that was a Guy Lawrence podcast know I’ve already had some really interesting guests on.
Dave: while I’m sure that big names are going to just continue constantly, mate. I’m looking forward to it. Yeah,
Guy: I hope so, mate. I got one today. That’s what I was telling everyone. That’s so quick. Um, what’s your elevate pitch mate like just for people tuning in for the first time for you and why I’m keen to get you on the podcast. Like you say, strangest option on the street, you got two minutes. What do you do for a living? What do you say?
Dave: Um it is, it’s a great question. Um, look,
Dave: Look up.
Dave: I guess what I sort of do is I actually help people, um, achieve the best versions of themselves. Um, and the mains that I use to do that, you know, I’ve got many, many different tools in the toolkit. Uh, and so I don’t believe in, I don’t believe in a monotherapy. Um, I think there’s many different, um, you know, different aspects that we can use to improve our overall health. Um, and I really base that on the individual. So what’s best for that individual at that, in that particular time in those circumstances. And I might use many different tools to enable them to, to get that end result, to achieve the best version of themselves.
Guy: So what would be the typical vehicles if you kind of, kind of summarize the broad version of it to help people
Dave: yeah, look at um, yeah, look nutrition. Um, but it’s, it’s quite like without me going too far down the rabbit hole with that, that’s, you know, it’s, it’s, there’s so many different aspects, you know, you talk about like, you know, high fats, you know, vegetarian vegan, really. It just dependent depends on the individual and what’s going to be best for them at that time to help them achieve what they want to achieve. But I might use like physical stresses and what, I mean, like physical stresses is like training to training as a physical stress, things like cold therapy, heat therapy, um and then there’s, you know, gravitating people more towards things that help with the parasympathetic nervous system. Like one of your favorites, like metacognition, meditation, um, you know, breathing techniques and all different types of breathing techniques. Once again, that just depends on the individual. Um, yeah, so I mean, you know, and even, and even, and even more tools like movement training, spinal articulation, uh, things that are good for cognitive health, like juggling and problem solving and all these types of things. It’s, it’s really very what we like to use. And that really just depends on that on the person.
Guy: Totally. It’s pretty amazing. And you’re getting some pretty amazing results, you know, anyone that follows the protocols and that’s what they told me.
Dave: Yeah. That’s what I, that’s what it comes down to see like any guy, if people follow the protocols and they’re willing to put in the hard work and they’re willing to continue, you know, it becomes routine and it becomes part of their life, then they’re going to get amazing results. And that’s
Dave: definitely what we’ve found for sure.
Guy: Yeah, totally. Now it’s, it’s amazing. And now I, we, um, I wanted to get you on the podcast today, so we could talk about a couple of things in particular that we’re pretty excited about. And, um, and essentially just to let everyone know, cause we wanted to be able to promote that we’d actually running an experience, a trip to Sardinia in September, 2018, but we wanted to make the podcast educational, not just to be able to promote what we’re doing. And uh, and we’ve kind of, yeah, we’ve putting it into what we call five lessons from Sardinia and the blue zones, which effectively are probably the healthiest and happiest people on the planet.
Dave: Yeah. I mean, like, you know, like, uh, we’ve got like, I know there’s, you know, there’s five blue zones in the, in the, in the world and obviously Sardinia is one of those, you’ve got AKI now or in Japan, you’ve got Coya in, in Costa Rica. Uh, you got the sort of Southern part of, uh, California, and, and then you’ve got Charia in Greece and obviously we’ve chosen Sardinia. Um, and you know, and for listeners, it’s, it’s not necessarily the only place that we’re going to, to visit, but it’s the, it’s the place that we’ve decided first. And I was talking to a guy, uh, previously about some of the stats that come up with Sardinia and they’re pretty phenomenal. Um, and like out of a hundred thousand people, um, it’s like 22 of those, um, we’ll actually reach over a hundred. And when we, when we say over a hundred, I mean, these people who are still active, they still part of the community most of the time, you know, um, even working the land, to some extent, they’re not on medication, they’re not on, uh, tubes and on life support or these types of things.
Dave: So, you know, 22 out of every a hundred thousand people. And I think if you look at, um, other countries around the world, I think it’s somewhere in the rounds in eight out of a hundred thousand. Yeah.
Guy: Yeah. It’s amazing. How would you, like, just in case listeners are not familiar with the blue zone is cause I do. When I mentioned it, we were doing an organized trip to a blue zone. I normally get
Dave: what’s the blue zone. So how would you summarize it quickly? Look, I think that probably the, one of the best ways to summarize it is, is obviously they’ve got a high, a high amount of centenarians. So what we mean by that is people who live to over a hundred, but then it comes down to the quality of their life. Yeah. Because in Australia we’d have many people who live over over a hundred bucks. We have, we have to take into account also that a lot of these people are living on lots of medication that they’re, they’re not able to walk around. They’re not, they’re not able to be part of the community and so forth. So it also, it comes down to their quality of life. Um, and so that, and also they don’t get things like, uh, auto immune diseases and cancers and, and so they, they don’t get a lot of these types of diseases, which obviously in Western society, we’re just sort of riddled with now. Um, so that’s, that’s pretty much what I would describe, ah, like a blue zone and it’s just a quality of life. They’re strong community bonds and the quality of their lifestyle.
Guy: Yeah. It’s, it’s amazing. Um, I I’ve said that word amazing. Three or four times I’ve got to, I’ve got to correct my grammar. I was like, Oh, but yeah, I had the fortune of interviewing Dan Buettner, the founder of that
Dave: blue zones just before Christmas. Yeah.
Guy: And he just came up with a new book called the blue zones of happiness. So I want to stress to everyone listening to the show as well that
Dave: the, the, the happiness within these areas, they actually did a study for years. And it’s it correlates directly with, uh, with the blue zones, which is quite amazing. You officially say they are the happiest people on the planet as well, you know? Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think always a little bit of a, the thing for me when I first started maybe even research getting into blue zones and so forth is that everyone was just sort of focusing on their nutrition, you know, and, and, and saying, okay, well they eat this and eat any carrier. They, they, they tend to have a, quite a high amount of vegetables in their diets. And, but w th the reality is that their nutrition is, is very different from one area to the next, um, and the, the, the area that really they all have in common is, as you said, that there’s strong community ties.
Dave: Um, and you look at like, you look at the elderly people and we’ve spoken about this already. Um, but the elderly people in these, in these communities like Sardinia, they actually spend time with young people. Yeah. They’re, they’re spending time with their, uh, with children, they’re spending times with, uh, with their grandchildren and even their great grandchildren. So they’re just surrounded by youth. And there’s nothing to make you feel more useful. They’re being surrounded, surrounded by young people. You know what I mean? And unfortunately in Western society, elderly people genuinely a surrounded by who. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s the reality. And I want to mention that community was number one of the five life lesson. And I think what correlations do you think there are between community in that kind of area? Like the things we’re touching on compared to the way we are living our life in the Western?
Dave: Yeah. Well, some of the things I know, definitely we saw denier is that, uh, a lot of the, um, a lot of the people, um, they work quite late into the, into the elderly years. Um, most of them working up till they’re like 80 plus. Okay. Um, and also from a professional perspective, most of them, most of them are white farmers and their shepherds. And so they’re, they’re working in a very, very strong community, sort of a BICE where they are, and they’re working on the land and they’re producing their own food and all, and we’ll get to the food thing a little bit later, but they’re, yeah, they’re strong community ties like they’re eating together and, and, and let’s say they had to know it’s, it’s part a lot that I had to slaughter like a lamb. I put the lamb on the spit and then they celebrate, it’s a celebration of food and they’re celebrating this together.
Dave: Um, and then I’d say that because they have these, you know, we might meet up with our family and so forth maybe once a month. Yeah. Okay. Sometimes even longer for some people. And because they’re having these strong community bonds daily, that means they’re going to do things there that they’re going to laugh a lot. And the one thing I can tell you, like, laughter I mean, you produce a lot of things like, uh, endorphins when you laugh, God is actually science to say that that also laughter will actually increase, uh, the, the quality of things like your T cells. So to do with your lymphocytes. So in turn, actually helping with your immune system, I know that I can actually, um, I have a positive effect on it and our cytokine, uh, cord into interferon gamma. And that actually, I know that sounds confusing, but that actually helps with things like yeah, the immune system and our, and our lymphocytes and our, and our ability to fight off disease and so forth.
Dave: And I’m sort of getting off the beaten track of here a little bit, but it just shows like that they’re going to laugh a lot more because they’re constantly in these community based environments and they’re engaging with people all the time. So I think that’s really an Armani picky on one aspect, because at the end of the day, when you’re in those community bonds as well, what’s, you also tend to do, you tend to hug, that’d be helping everyone. And we know that when you’re hugging constantly that you release a lot of anti-stress hormones, like oxytocin and so forth. Um, and so I think that’s, that’s powerful.
Guy: It’s a couple of other things that spring to mind as well, is that you, if you’ve got problems, if there are things that you’ve got concerns of, you can go and talk to people and express those emotions as well. I think, yeah. Also if you’re a bit out of line, you’ve got a community, they sort of
Dave: good bring you back in, you know, without stray, like, and yeah,
Guy: they’re crucial. The crucial aspects, you know, when you, when you think about the amount of time people are spending on social media and getting there kind of, I don’t know, fix is not the right word, but, um,
Dave: they, they significance if you like the social security from an internet and spending that time, you know, things psychologically have to break down over time, you know? Yeah, yeah. Look, look the show. I mean, I mean, I think there’s, there’s obviously the amazing elements of social media and so forth, and I’m never going to dispute that, but I mean, yeah, it has taken us further and further away from those community bonds, you know, like I know a few element and, and I know with, you know, with, let it in and so forth, like we’re really promoting those, getting back those strong community bonds so that we’re doing things like, uh, like proactive things for our body as well. I’m not talking about going down the pub and like getting up your head. Yeah. Uh, I’m talking about, you know, getting together and training together, moving together and breathing together and meditating together, doing those in, in, uh, in community environments.
Dave: And just imagine, I think I’ve said this before in one of your, one of my, one of the previous podcasts is that if you’re doing it well, like we know that the benefits of these things by themselves, but then add a community element to that. And w w like, we’ve experienced that ourselves, like doing community breathing, you can feel a more positive impact on your body then if you do the breathing by yourself. Okay. And that’s the same thing with eating. That’s the same thing with moving. It’s the same thing. Yeah. Okay. There, there is definitely a higher biochemical reaction on the body when we’re doing these things.
Guy: Totally, totally. And that’s the one thing that excites me a lot about our Sardinia trip is because a, you know, we’ve got 24 spaces all up. I think half of them are gone, but it’s great. It’s bringing a sense of community is bringing people together, like minded that I want to explore these things and get joy from that.
Dave: Yeah. It’s look, it’s one of the most important elements for us when we, when we talked about doing this was yeah. Just getting like minded people together, um, and getting us to immerse into like, experiencing those, those strong community bonds for ourselves, but also forming our own strong community bond as well. Um, and like those two things together, I think, yeah. It’s just going to be super powerful for anyone who really, you know, wants to experience something completely different to any other sort of holiday that you’ve experienced before, because you’re definitely going to come back a different person and you’re going to come back, it’s going to change your biochemistry. And you’re going to be an actually feel revitalized and rejuvenated and more proactive. Yeah,
Guy: that’s totally, you know, one of the life lessons I was given long, long time ago, 10, 12 years ago before I kind of started out, even on the one 80 journey was to look at the people I was associate. And most of my time with, you know, from what I was doing and to look at, if they were actually encouraging me, uplifting me, or were they actually holding me back, you know? And it was really tough to, to get honest about it as well, but it was definitely an element in that, that I started to look out over the years and, you know, cause I wanted and started to pop myself from, with people that were gonna aspire me and make me raise my game and re look at life differently and get up to that company.
Dave: Yeah. A hundred percent I’ve been through that same sort of stage in my life as well. And you know, I’m never going to take any, anything away from people that I’ve been important to me. Like you might like previously in my life. And, um, it also serves a purpose and, um, it all makes you a better person, but then you do get to a point where you need to be surrounded by people who are going to help you, um, uh, encourage you to, to achieve the things that you want to achieve and then be surrounded by people who are like-minded, um, and, uh, willing to challenge themselves. And, and once again, like, you know, become a way better version of, of what they, what they currently are. I mean, that’s what, uh, you know, that everyone gets to that crossroads where they, they think am I really getting the most out of my body? Am I really getting the most out of, out of myself and you have to be surrounded by people who are to help you, uh, achieve that totally is the one thing. Yeah. That’s one thing I know for sure.
Guy: Yeah. Massively. Alright. I reckon let’s move on to number two. It was a five minute purpose. Why, why do you think a sense of purpose?
Dave: Um, yeah, look, I think what if we’re just going to relate this to the blue zone areas and I would like this to Sardinia obviously. Um, I think this sense of purpose really comes down to maybe something I already touched on a little bit, um, and in the elderly populations, because the men end the day when we’re, when we’re inside Denny, we are going to spend time with the centenarians, which I’m really, really excited about. I know you are, I know the people who already booked, it’s actually one of the main driving reasons to why they, they sort of wanted to experience is to actually speak to these people and understand their, their, um, you know, their traits and, um, their experiences and all these types of things. But the one thing I know from what I’ve, what I’ve read and so forth, there’s a lot of Sardinians.
Dave: They have very, very, uh, um, strong family bonds. Um, and so a lot of them, like [inaudible] mentioning about them having like great grandchildren and so forth. And I know when I, when we did a course, we did a seminar with Greg Brian, it in great, bright and board out, brought up, uh, images of people who’d lived to, you know, extreme ages. You know, I think in some realms, like, you know, 120, 130 years old and so forth. And actually a lot of them put down to why they live that long, his family, who they were surrounded by that, but they’re surrounded by their great, great grandchildren. And that guide them purposed to keep on they’ve they’ve they felt valued. Yes. Yeah. They felt, yeah. They felt valued within the community. Yeah. At guide, I don’t, I don’t feel like they’re a burden. No, unfortunately I would, I would dispute this in Western society. Like, I, I would think that a lot of elderly people would feel like they’re a burden on society. Uh, and you might argue that us sending them to somewhere where we don’t spend a lot of time with them and so forth might make them feel like that. Yeah. Okay.
Guy: It’s just culturally different, isn’t it? It’s,
Dave: it’s culturally different. Yeah. A hundred percent. But, but, but they would definitely feel like I had purpose. My purpose is to look after the family and a role model and share my experiences. And, and, and that is like having that purpose when you’re educating other people. Like I know from my own experience, when you, when you’re passing on information so forth, that strives you to just keep on going and going. And I think that that would be really prominent in a culture like the Sardinian culture.
Guy: Yeah. Massive. If I’m not mistaken, everyone within the family has a role during the day. Well, like the one person might begin going to get the vegetables and bring it back for the family. The other person might be cooking or laboring in the garden. There’s a role, no matter what age,
Dave: 100%. And then, and that’s, and that’s proven in the age that they worked, they worked till, yeah. Okay. Because they’ve got to work on the land because if they don’t work on the land, they’re not going to have food and they’re not going to provide for the family and so forth. So, I mean, that’s gonna, that’s gonna drive them to get up every single morning and go, well, I have to go work on the land. And, you know, like, you know, sometimes in Western culture, when people retire and you know, most people might retire around 65, 70 in Australia, then all of a sudden they’ve lost a lot of that purpose of, you know, what they’ve got to wake up for every single morning. Do you know what I mean? Where they don’t lose, they don’t lose that in a community like Sardinia. There’s still a bit of wake up and they still got to do a lot of the same as you, as you said, a lot of the same chores, chores, and the same tasks and so forth every single day.
Guy: It’s crucial. And I think it’s a valuable lesson for us all in where are we currently at without where, you know, cause we spend most of our time at work. Right.
Dave: And yeah, well what would they say is something like a, that’d be your, your lifespan you’re going to spend. Mmm. What’s the realms of about 50, 50 odd years. Yeah. Working.
Guy: Yeah, exactly. And if you’re not on purpose, like if you don’t feel like you can contribute in an getting lit up inside every day with what you do, that’s going to affect your longevity in health. There’s just no way around it. I mean, I was that person for years, you know, at one stage of my life and the difference in how I am and how I feel. And I think it’s definitely something we should all look up more, even though it can be scary, you know, change in security and finances and everything else that comes with it, but it’s definitely a lesson for sure.
Dave: Yeah. Yeah. And like even, you know, even just from a no, you know, I’m an analytical and Alexa to bring out my sort of numbers and so forth, but just for the listeners just to understand is that that community like feeling, feeling part of something and having that purpose and so forth, we know that actually has this massive positive effect on a protein in the body called brain derived neurotrophic factor, which a lot of people talk about. Yeah. That guy. And that’s the key to helping with a new neurons in the brain helping to repair sign lapses. So it’s going to help with you are a transmitter uptake and it’s going to help with your mood and your behavior and so forth. And we know, and we know, um, you know, uh, in people who’ve got like Alzheimer’s and depression and schizophrenia and so forth, well, they have low levels of BDNF and community is one of the, is one of the highest, um, uh, highest aspects for enabling us to produce more BDNF. And so, um, once again, just, you know, that just reiterate that whole thing of them feeling part of that community and having that
Guy: one thing I’ll touch on as well. I’m not sure if they do it in Sardinia, but I know they do it in Ikaria, the other blue zone, which is they set like the older you get, the more respected you are within the community. It’s not the other way around, like it tends to be here. And when they reach 100 years old, they actually parade them down the street and have a carnival. And it’s a huge celebration. I mean, that’s, that’s amazing. You have amazing, you know,
Dave: [inaudible] somewhere along the line, that definitely has been a, a shift, um, you know, that has taken place in Western society where we are, um, we’re not celebrating, um, you know, people reaching these milestones and their, and their wealth of knowledge and what they can pass down and the, uh, their keys to their longevity and so forth. Then I think that’s why we’re so interested in experiencing these blue zone areas.
Guy: Yeah, totally, totally. Um, number three, let’s move on to number three, that we’ve got buttoned down, which is nutrition, you know, we’ve kind of covered it. We don’t have to go into too, too deep, but what, what are the, I guess, aspects of nutrition from the blue zones that you like, even though all the diets are buried?
Dave: Yeah. I mean, yeah, we’re sort of, we sort of talked about it and you know, I’m like, I do have some different sort of concepts and ideas when it comes to nutrition and so forth, but, um, they, they do have a very, very diet. Do you know what I mean? Like in terms of, you know, in, I already spoken about it, but he carrier, like they have a majority of the nutrition comes down to vegetables and so forth. Um, but when we go to Sardinia actually anywhere from, I think it’s 89 to 92% of Sardinians, uh, they will consume dairy, uh, daily. Yeah. And that’s men and women. Okay. And so if you actually looked at a dairy, something is sort of being condemned and, um, you’re ridiculed to some extent and all, and at the end of the day, it comes down to quality. Doesn’t it?
Guy: I was going to say, I was going to say, I want, let’s make something clear, the dairy that you’re going to get inside. You know, it’s not like
Dave: walking into local Kohl’s care. Right. Exactly. And like, when I talk about dairy, cause I am a, I am definitely pro dairy because of a lot of the nutrients that actually helps to increase like immunoglobulins that helps with your immune system and helps with these things called glucose lingo, lipids, which can help with gastrointestinal infections and sofas. There are a lot of benefits. And obviously when you get a culture like Sardinia, who can in this, you can see how they are getting a lot of these benefits. Cause they’re getting it from, um, you know, like sheep’s milk, uh, they’re deriving it straight from the source. It’s there on the land.
Guy: They let him out to the house and getting it
Dave: a hundred percent. And that means that the, the, the, the density of the nutrition within that is going to be higher as well. So it’s going to have higher amounts of calcium high amounts of phosphorus, high amounts of zinc selenium, and actually believe it or not, you know, sheeps, uh, sheep’s milk and, uh, and, and so forth, actually very, very high in Omega three fatty acids as well. Yeah. Okay. So it’s just the quality of what they’re consuming and, and guess what, they, they do eat some breads and I have a pretty strong stance when it comes to weight, but end of the day comes down to the, I’m not like I’m talking more about the Frankenstein sort of seeds that we can consume in Western society where they have a particular flatbread that they consume that is actually very low in gluten. Yeah. Okay.
Dave: And they consume more sour salad though, as well. And sour dough is very, very high in lactobacillus, so it’s very, very good for gastrointestinal health and so forth. So once again, just, just another example of just quality. Yeah. Okay. And wine. Yeah. And we’re going to experience wine when we go to experience a glass of wine and they consume the stats that I was reading, especially the men would consume up to three small glasses of wine in a diet. Um, and it’s not this ridiculous consumption that we do in Western society. It’s a small glass, they’re doing it most likely for the social reasons and just catching up with friends, but also for a lot of the nutrients that they get out of the good quality one. It was one of my mentors who said to me a long time ago said that Sardinian wine was the, was the cleanest one in the world. And from all the research yeah. From all the research that I’ve, that I’ve read a hundred percent, that’s the truth. It’s actually two to three times higher in flavonoids and flavonoids are very, very powerful antioxidants. Then other ones around the world, that’s incredible. And so very, very powerful antioxidants. So that’s going to help with their longevity
Guy: and the other thing. And I, and I, and I was chatting to you about this a couple of weeks back about my experience in Costa Rica because, um, I had, I like, I let my hair down in Costa Rica and I went wild and I had about four, four glasses of red wine one night, but I got out of control for somebody that doesn’t drink. But interestingly,
Dave: it doesn’t mind a glass of glass of wine now. And then
Guy: he doesn’t mind a glass of red wine now. And then, but the interesting thing was, was that because I was in a joyful state than I was celebrating and I was just in a happy place, it was great. I wasn’t stressing. I could tell my nervous system was in the right place. And I woke up the next day. I was a bit tired, but I had no hangover. But yet when I was chatting to you about this, you know, we quite often drink alcohol to relieve our stress. And we’re in a very different state of mind. And I think that has to contribute to the Sardinians right.
Dave: It’s the quality. And we know it, poor quality alcohol it’s, it’s gonna be really detrimental to so many vitamins and minerals. And it’s, it’s going to have a real negative effect on your absorption in your digestive system as well. But, you know, good quality alcohol when smaller amounts there, there, there is evidence in there and the Sardinians would be an example of this where we can actually hope we have some longevity, uh, factors for different cultures. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it’s no, I don’t want people to think that that means you can drink three glasses of wine a day within Australia. Because once again, it just comes down to that, to that quality. And that’s why, you know, Sardinian wine has become such a, it is actually quite renowned for being just the highest grade that you can possibly get
Guy: it’s massively. And the other thing, just to something on that comment is you gotta ask yourself, why do you need the three glasses of wine anyway, if you haven’t that every night here, like, are you drinking it because you’ve had such a stressful day, you know, the kids or whatever it is. And you’re like, Oh, I’m unwinding. That’s a very different state to be in, to be in. I’m completely relaxed. I’m happy. I’m completely content. And I’m celebrating my friend.
Dave: Exactly. Yeah. Um, the, the, the environment is, is a, is a big factor to, to what impact, um, something like alcohol is going to have on your internal state.
Guy: Absolutely. I just want to touch on the trip as well that we will be, I’m spending a day with the centenary. I’m going out getting goat’s milk and making goats cheese.
Dave: Yes. 100%. So we’ll, we will experience a lot of these traditional foods. Yeah. I know. I know also with the Sardinians, they actually have milk thistle, and I know a lot of listeners would have heard of Milky soup before as well, but they have milk this daily as well. So it’s just little things that they do. And, um, and, and they’ve kept a lot, but these traditional, um, these traditional, uh, sort of concepts and these traditional things within there, even, you know, today’s lifestyle. Um, and so, you know, milk, thistles, great food for liver, detoxification and powerful antioxidants and all these types of things. So it’s just some of these little things that they do and they, and once again, it comes down to routine as well. Cause they’re doing them daily as well. Yeah. It’s not something that just do a phase and then they stop it and all these types of things.
Dave: So it’s just these regular things. And then they get the, they, you know, if you’re doing these things regularly, then you get the benefits. Yeah. That’s awesome. I’ve gotten from number four out of the life lessons from Sardinia. I haven’t actually got written, um, anytime fitness gym, three times a week, that’s going, gonna disappoint a lot of people. I’ve got, I’ve got movement written down though. Yes. Well, it was a, it’s an interesting one to me. Um, because obviously my background is I do like to train hard and I do like to push the boundaries. A lot of the people I’ve dealt with in the past do like to push the boundaries and, you know, and the thing is like a little bit of my argument has always been, is Olympic lifting and, you know, training for sports and, and so forth. You know, we’re doing that for a purpose and the purpose is like an end goal.
Dave: And that end goal is to be the best or to make the best show. Absolutely. And that’s part of that culture, but our association has been well, if you, if you’re the best and that means you’re incredibly healthy and you’re incredibly fit. And my argument has been well that’s most likely not true. Yeah. Okay. Um, because just because you’re really good at running marathons does not mean you’re fit and healthy. Yeah. I can tell you many people that I know they’re good at running marathons and they have uterus health complications and numerous health issues. And, uh, the same in, you know, if they’re good at football, if they’re good at rugby, just because they go to the sport, doesn’t mean they’re healthy. The one thing that we, that we know that’s quite common with people who live in blue zone areas, uh, and Sardinia is that they, they tend, they tend to just be extremely active.
Dave: Um, but it doesn’t mean that they’re doing a limp weightlifting as mean that they’re, you know, carrying like a 200 kilos, um, horsing cards or anything like that at the heart rate monitor on. Yeah. They’re not, they’re not necessarily pushing the boundaries of, of, of the physical realm, but they do move regularly. Yeah. Okay. Um, and that’s why, you know, we’ve spoken about before, and that’s why I’m so big on movement training and spinal articulation and body weight stuff. Cause that would be an example. These people are just the working on the land that they’re moving all day long, encouraging good circulation, encouraging. Um, you know, there, those movement patterns would be different from day to day because it’s not always going to be the same repetitive thing or all the time. And so this challenge is them from a cognitive perspective as well, creating new neurons, new neural patterns in the body and so forth.
Dave: So, um, it’s, it’s definitely different. Yeah. Um, because they’re that, as I said, they’re not pushing the boundaries from that perspective. Yeah, totally. But I think as well, the one thing that we want to achieve when we do this trip and what we achieve on the podcast and everything is to be able to take those lessons and be able to sort of bend them into our Western lifestyle. Cause obviously we don’t, you know, and then that’s it, that’s the big thing for me guys. I’ve always said we, we need to live and we need to eat according to our environment. Yeah. Okay. And you know, for me, Sardinians, they’re living and they’re eating according to the environment that they live in. I’ve spoken about the Inuits who I’m. I was always really fascinated with and they ate according to their environment, their environment was incredibly harsh.
Dave: It was incredibly unforgiving. And guess what they need to, they needed to consume a lot of, uh, things like animal fats and animal proteins are 95% of their diet. Guess what? They actually had, one of the least incidence of cardiovascular disease until sugar and things like alcohol were introduced to their diet. So when they were eating according and living, according to their environment, they were crazy healthy. Yeah. Um, and it’s when we’ve gone away from that, not living in, not eating, according to the environment that we’re living in that to me, things become, they go off skew. Okay. And this is where we start to get a lot of problems. Yeah, totally, totally. Mate. I reckon let’s go on to number five. Okay. The last one of the five and I’ve got, and this is huge, huge, and I’ve got stress less. Yes. Um, yeah, it’s, it’s a, it’s a big topic for me.
Dave: And you know, something that, you know, I’ve experienced sort of the worst, you know, the worst realms of, uh, stress related issues. Um, you know, if you want to call it adrenal fatigue or adrenal burnout and, you know, I suffered it and it was, it was as bad as it possibly could get. Um, but, uh, the one thing I know, um, is that Sardinians, they have a less stressful lifestyle. Um, and also they [inaudible], they’re not necessarily dictated by what’s going on in things like social media. Uh they’re, they’re, they’re sort of sticking with the traditional realms of living and so forth. So they’re less industrialized, which means that they’re most likely exposed to less things like pollutants and toxins and all these types of things. Um, and this, this all adds up to them having like perfect hormonal balances in their body. I mean, the, the one thing, like, I definitely know that one of the most important ratios in the human body I’m going to get a little bit more technical here is the balance between your cortisol, which is obviously the stress hormone and, and K, and a lot of people aren’t going to be familiar with that hormone, but it’s steroidal hormone as well.
Dave: And I like to call it like the anti aging hormone. Okay. So it helps with, it helps with libido. It helps with fertility, it helps mitigate excitatory behavior in the brain. Okay. So it helps with cognition. It helps with better sleep. Okay. So it’s linked to when you’ve got low levels of DHA to having things like insomnia and so forth. Yeah. Okay. Now all those things I’ve just said, do you think there’s significant problems in Western society? Oh yeah. They’re huge. They’re huge. And I’m telling you why, because the, the, the balance between the Corazon and the dag, I it’s completely out of whack. Yeah. Okay. They should, there’s there’s this dice I should essentially, um, they should almost mirror each other a little bit. Yeah. Okay. So if we have a little bit more DHA that help, that helps to mitigate some of the negative effects of cortisol.
Dave: Okay. And unfortunately, you know, in this Western society where, you know, we’re exposed to long and ongoing periods of stress, like chronic stress and so forth, that means that our cortisol levels do tend to be initially, initially really, really elevated. And then they will become where they’re really, really low. Okay. And I’m talking about the sort of in byproduct or adrenal exhaustion and so forth. Yeah. But when they’re, when they’re really elevated initially then our DHA levels tend to be at a whack and they tend to be low. Likewise, when we reached that exhaustion phase, our cortisol levels and our DHA levels are both low. Okay. Which means we have no energy with lethargic, with bedridden. We have no libido. Uh, we have problems with fertility, poor sleep and all these types of things. And for me, you know, if you look at some of those blue zone areas, you would find that their balance between their DHA and their cortisol ratio would be really good. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, and that’s why
Guy: I got a question. Cause clearly [inaudible] really important factors. I totally get that. And stress is a big contributor to them right now, our lifestyles. And, you know, cause a lot of the factors can be like nutrition could be a form of stress if you’re eating wrong, right. This stress in the body and all the rest of it. So my question to you is you’re in the fire firing line of film and wellness. We’ve probably seen where thousands of people easily, right? Yep. How many of them stress and they don’t even know this stress.
Dave: Um, pretty much most people, there you go. Pretty much, most people are like most of the time most people would say to me, but I’m not stressed. And it, the whole thing is, and you, you pointed out, pointed out something really good guys that some people don’t consider or they don’t really understand stress. Okay. So they, things like having sugar in their diet, having things like, uh, you know, not rotating their foods enough. So they’ve got food sensitivities and so forth. Well, they’re all adding to like the Alison attic load of that individual. And then they’ve got problems with family. They’ve got problems, psychological, psychological stresses, environmental stress. And when I say environmental stresses, like their surroundings, their neighborhood and all these types of things and they, most of the time people just consider like, Oh, stress only relates to my boss, nagging me or my wife nagging me.
Dave: Stress can be all these things that I’ve just talked about. And guess what, when you’ve got digestive stress as well, you’ve got back to you, issues and parasites and all that. They’re adding to that stress load. And um, you, some people just don’t realize that they’ve got all these different types of stresses that are being piled upon them. Yeah. Okay. And that’s affecting their stress resilience as well. Okay. Um, and, and, and that’s why they, you know, they don’t have energy to, to train and they don’t have energy to do the things that they want to do and all these types of things. Um, so yeah, I mean, to answer your question. Yes. Most people, um, uh, are coming in with stress related issues, whatever they, like, as I said, whatever that might be. Um, and most of the time it’s like I have to peel it back like an onion.
Dave: Um, and, and when I start peeling back all these different layers of stress and removing some of these sort of, uh, toxic, um, you know, these, these toxic, toxic things in their lives, then all of a sudden they start to feel more energized. I start to feel more, um, more proactive, better cognition, better sleep, all these types of things. Totally. Yeah. Triggered a question like, cause your, you know, you know, you look after yourself, mate, you know, you, you, you take most of the boxes and from an then from an emotional stress, cause you still have a job, you have a very demanding role. Okay. You have a newborn now as well.
Dave: How do you from just emotional component deal with stress on a daily, daily, weekly, monthly basis? Look, look, I think if I just, if I just talk about things in the past that I just pretty much thought movement training, um, nutrition was everything and that would correct a lot of my stresses and so forth. Um, but you know, the one thing I know for sure is like I was doing those things and still I wasn’t dealing with stress very well. Um, and you know, it would affect my sleep. It would affect sometimes my mood from day to day, it would affect my energy systems and so forth. So really for me, you know, some of the most important elements to help me combat stress is, has really been meditation. Um, something that you’ve really sort of, uh, yeah, you’ve really hammered home with me and something that you’ve, you know, now I’m going to start going a little bit further down the rabbit hole with the, um, sort of that metacognition and, uh, tapping into some slightly different elements. Cause I’m, I’m ready for the next stage. Um, but it was something I was quite reluctant to, to [inaudible]
Guy: the story as well and to the listeners, because when you did my pilot course for four weeks, yeah. You don’t have to say that was the first time you knew you were committed, you know, you’d signed the document and you were like, I’m committed. Like, could you just share it with everyone will happen?
Dave: Yeah. Look, meditation really had been something that I would only do. Um, you know, like, like sometimes how people would use coffee. Yeah. Like I like, you know, look that feel really lousy that day they’ve got poor energy also have, I’ll have a cup of coffee just to pick up my energy systems. Yeah. Yep. Um, and so that’s how I’d use meditation. Uh, I would, I would have really poor energy. Um, you know, sometimes the stress load from, from dealing with a lot of people and I love my job. Don’t get me wrong. My, my, my, my job’s amazing. Um, but there’s a huge demand as like you said, in dealing with a lot of people with illnesses and serious health problems and so forth. Um, so, but I never, I never used it daily. Um, and when I, when I actually did the program with let it in and started exposing myself to regular, um, meditation, um, it actually put me into a, initially a really poor state.
Dave: Um, and I don’t want people to be scared off by that. Um, because one thing I know is that most of the best things in life, there’s a short term pain and there’s a longterm gain. Uh, training is, is a great example of that ice therapy is another great example of that. Um, you, tuition has elements of that as well because your body’s got to adapt and it’s going to change a lot of people. Like they try a particular high fat outline and this huge health benefits to doing that, like, Oh, I feel really funny. And then they just stop it. Yeah. Okay. But most of the time it’s your body adjusting and having to adapt to it and then your body has to adapt. And that’s the same thing with the meditation for me. So I went through a period where I didn’t have any energy.
Dave: I didn’t want to go to work. I didn’t really want to deal with people. And it’s very unlike me. And I’m even saying to my business partner, like, I’ve just got no, you know, I’ve got no motivation to be here. Um, and really it was just, it was just basically the meditation was putting me into a state that probably my body needed to be in most of the time because I operate in such a high, I guess, sympathetic nervous system, uh, uh, sort of state, or if you want to call it sympathetic nervous system, hyper activity all the time. And it was just putting me into a state where, um, I had to sort of shut down. I had to relax, um, sit more in that parasympathetic nervous system sort of realms. And, uh, and my body was probably none of meditation was allowing me to get probably what I did really require.
Dave: So there was a, there was a huge adjust adjustment process there. And, and for the listeners, it probably took about a week. Um, until I actually clicked into this realms where actually then it became the complete reverse, um, my energy systems improved, my productivity improved. And the one thing I actually said to guy is that because I do a lot of presenting and like, you know, and most of the time I’m presenting all week long. Um, and that’s not just doing seminars, that’s actually just presenting, doing a lot of mentoring with people. That’s mentoring in house with our staff and mentoring outside, like people who’ve got their own facilities and natural paths and all these types of things and doing that amount of presenting. Sometimes it would really take its toll on my body. Uh, and, uh, and sometimes my mind and what I’ve found with doing the program and doing the, let it in program is that my energy systems really improved and actually how I was presenting, I wasn’t getting fatigued or wasn’t feeling taxed and so forth. So, and, and that’s just one element. Um, you know, there was improvement improvements in my sleep. Uh, there was actually improvements in my, my energy systems throughout the day and actually noticed improvements in my training as well, where sometimes, sometimes my training, because how much energy or I was expanding through work. Sometimes I just didn’t have the energy to really train hard and so forth. But that changed when I started to do regular meditation and so forth.
Guy: Is it safe to say you still meditating?
Dave: Yes. Yeah. I mean, it’s, uh, yeah, I meditate every day. Um, when, when the, when the baby came, there was a couple of days where I was just a little bit, but, uh, but, uh, I’m my chore. I’m back on track and I do regular, regular breathing and so forth. So they help with that. And heart math, they do heart math every night as well, to help to control so that, that heart to brain excess and put me in a better state at night and a better state when I wake up in the morning,
Guy: you know? And, and thanks for sharing that mate. And I, and I’ve highlighted that point as well, because you look after yourself like you do, you know, like anyone that knows you, you are on top of, you know, all aspects and for you to still feel that and noticed the, in the homeostasis, you know, and getting out of that sympathetic, you know, and that’s why I’m pretty passionate about it. Cause there’s a lot of people out there that are not on top of the other aspect as well, but it’s still running from that state.
Dave: Yeah. Yeah. And, and as, and like, look, I’d really encourage anyone to uh there’s and there’s gonna, everyone has to understand there’s going to be a pain point. Yeah. There’s going to be a pain point and it’s going to jet, it’s going to challenge your belief systems and it’s going to challenge the state that your body is used to being in, but there’s also the state that your body probably wants to be in. Yeah. Okay. So, and that’s, and that’s, I was a great example of that. Like my body was used to being in a particular state, as soon as I tried to put it in a different state. It just, there was a conflict there where the body goes, well, you’re not going to function too well, if you don’t continue to be in this state. But the reality is once I got through that pain point, I was actually functioning in a, in a much more efficient and much more proactive state than before.
Guy: Yeah. Brilliant. And I have no doubt we’re going to do a meditation or two inside, didn’t you? I actually see it in my mind’s eye, like a tree, a Lake with a bit of a Valley,
Dave: pretty, pretty, um, pretty great ideas of what we’re going to expose the guys to in Sardinia. Um, it’s, it’s not necessarily going to be main guy sitting there lecturing about nutrition and, uh, and these different elements. I mean, I love to talk about that sort of stuff. So of course I talk about it with people individually and all that sort of stuff, but really what we’re going to expose people to is, is, you know, a meditation metacognition and breathing and some cold immersion in nature. And that’s, and that’s the thing. And once again, and in a community, so taking all those elements together, and as I said, the, the, you know, the benefits that’s going to have on people’s biochemistry in their state and all that sort of stuff is going to be phenomenal.
Guy: Totally, totally. And then the idea is bring them lessons back into everyday life now. I mean, I’m, I’m aware of the time, so I’m going to change gears cause I’ve got a regular, a few questions that I ask everyone on the new podcast. So, um, okay. So the first question, what’s one of your biggest failures you’ve had, but later in life turned into a win something, he was thankful for
Dave: what Springs to mind look, look, if I had to, if I had to say failure. Yeah. Um, my own health, was it a failure? Um, and some people might be surprised with that. Um, but I basically thought that, you know, just eating well, training really hard and actually sometimes training too hard, um, meant that I was healthy. Um, and actually it took my own failing health because I suffered, um, adrenal exhaustion. Um, you know, I had serious back to issues. I had intestinal permeability. Um, you know, my health was, was, was really poor and it, and it took that lesson for me to understand that I was not on the right path.
Guy: Got it. And let me know if that hadn’t happened to you. Would fifth element wellness exist today?
Dave: Most likely not. There you go. So, so, so one of the, one of the best things that ever happened to me, it was also one of the work, um, my, my, my, my, my own failing health, um, and, and, and some of those really, uh, terrible things that happened to me from a, from a health perspective was actually w w was actually also one of the best things that happened to me. Yeah. Um, like I feel really blessed that once again, that I actually, that I had like a bit of a wake up, uh, that I had an enlightening moment that actually forced me to look at different realms, uh, to look into things like blood markers, to look, to look into things like what’s going on in people’s digestive system. Um, and, and that was really, that was really the, the spot that I needed to look at many different aspects of health.
Guy: And I just think it’s a great lesson because it’s like I’ve been there, not with health, but with other aspects of my life and as shit as it is when you’re in it. And you’re like, why me life sucks. This is ridiculous, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The wisdom that you gain from these things over time. It’s amazing. It’s amazing. Yeah. Like I just feel so lucky to have had such a,
Dave: for me, it was such an amazing experience like that. Um, and it was just a big wake up call. And, um, I wouldn’t change a thing from that. Um, because I, like, I wouldn’t be sitting here in front of you today. We wouldn’t be talking about something as amazing as a denier and fifth element, most likely wouldn’t exist and I wouldn’t be helping people and I wouldn’t be helping to change lives and so forth. So
Guy: yeah, imagine that right. Imagine that next question. Yes. If you could have dinner with anyone tonight in anywhere in the world in any time frame, like past present, where, who would it be and why?
Dave: Whew. That’s a, that’s a, that’s a real tough question. Um,
Guy: somebody must pop it in there.
Dave: I mean, apart from sign my partner at the Bianca. Um, but I guess, yeah, that’s a tough question. Um, well, there’s so many people that I would, that I would love to sit down and talk to and so forth, but actually, well maybe, maybe more recently, someone who I really resonate with someone who I think has got powerful message. Someone who can tell me about many different aspects of life, not just nutrition, but even physiology and, um, psychology and, uh, and movement is actually, you know, a hotel. Mmm. Yeah. I might have said that maybe five years ago, six years ago. Um, but you know, I love his, his look on life. I love his, um, he’s enthusiasm to help people the better movers to be better versions of themselves. Cause that’s what I resonate with. That’s all, that’s all I want, you know, I want, I want people to be the best possible version that they can be with themselves.
Dave: And for me, you know, people are only maybe reaching about 40% of that. Yeah. And that’s the, and that’s the message is that you don’t really, no, he really is sending to people. Yeah. Um, and he’s just got, he’s just because he’s so diverse in many different fields and he’s got so much knowledge in so many different fields. I think the conversation that we could have would be really phenomenal. Yeah. I know you’re a big fan of Vedo. I’d love to, I’ll definitely have to look into either more for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He’s he? Yeah. He’s just a, um, you know, there’s, there’s so many people who are doing great things, um, you know, for, for people in the world and, and hotels is definitely one of them. He’s, he’s getting people to look at movement, uh, in a different perspective and actually bring it to the fore as in helping to correct health issues as well. Yeah. Yeah. No amazing human being. He’s done so much for sure. Yeah. My last question. Yes. What’s one thing about yourself. Most people wouldn’t know.
Dave: Um, one thing they wouldn’t know once again, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a tough question. Um, and talk about it much, but I’m a pretty fanatical basketball fan. Um, yes, it’s, it’s very true. Um, and actually Bianca, my partner would tell you that, um, when I’ve got a bit of downtime, like, cause most of the time I’m, I’m researching, I’m doing work and, and that’s my passion. Um, but when I bet a little bit downtown, I’m actually watching basketball. Um, uh, so yeah, like I love, uh, it sort of comes down to my childhood. I used to play basketball when I was younger and I was, it was, it was the real passion of mine. I actually want it to be a professional basketball. I’m probably a little bit too, too short, but I’ll, you know, I was reasonably quick and that was one of my goals that I wanted to play as high grade of basketball as possible.
Dave: Um, and it’s sort of that passion is sort of come back recently and I’m finding myself, you know, watching a lot of basketball on YouTube and so forth. You know, I don’t like being on YouTube too often, but um, for me to stay in touch with basketball and so forth, I’m doing that a little bit more recently because I realized that I’ve got to go back to some of those things that I was really passionate about when I was, when I was younger and basketball was a real passion of mine. So I’ve found that I found that, that that’s definitely crept back in and I put that down to a lot of the work that I’ve done with meditation, so forth, bringing some of these things that I sort of pushed to one side and bringing them back to the four again. So, um, yeah. Awesome. I love it.
Dave: Um, yeah. So is there anything else you’d like to add to our listeners to ponder on before we wrap up to do with, uh, everything we discussed? You know, look, look, the only thing that I really would encourage, um, the listeners to think about is like a lot of the things we’ve talked about today, like, you know, we started denier like experience it, like we’re so lucky in this day and age. Yeah. What we have at our disposal that we can travel that we can, that we can go spend time with these, uh, like, um, these cultures that almost have the recipe for longevity and a good life and a happy life and so forth. And so like I’d really encourage people to, to take that opportunity with both hands and experience it. Yeah. Um, and, and for, and for people to also understand that, um, for, to them to, to, to be the best possible version of themselves as they can be, that they have to incorporate many different aspects within their daily routine, for them to help for them to, to achieve that.
Dave: That means it flight people, you know, a lot of people are adopting cold therapy and so forth, but you know what? I find a lot of people they’re only doing it once in a while. Well, if you only do it once in a while, all the health benefits we’re talking about the immune system or that you’re, you’re not going to get those health benefits, you have to incorporate it daily. Yeah. You have to do ice therapy, maybe multiple a week, according to some of the issues that you have in your body breathing, you have to do that daily meditation. You have to do that daily eating well, you have to do that daily movement. You have to do that daily. Yeah. Like, like I just, I just can’t stress that enough. Yeah. Like if you want change, you want to be the best version of yourself.
Dave: You have to do these things daily because you’re doing it once every couple of weeks. That’s an experience. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not what it is. It’s bungee jumping. Yeah. Okay. That’s what you’re doing. Yeah. Okay. So you’re, you’re only going to get very, very minimal return from doing things like that. For sure. Um, so that’s, that’s, that’s the, that’s the point? I always try to get across to people. I mean, obviously like I loved going pretty far down the rabbit hole, but the one thing I really stress to people is there’s tomatoes, no monotherapy. Mmm. You know, I hate to break the news for people, but if you’re looking for the magic pill or the magic bullet, I mean, for me, it involves many, many different aspects. You, you, you combine all those things together and guess what? Then you’ve got the magic pill.
Guy: Totally. Yeah. Yeah. No fair point, man. Everything’s built on good habits, isn’t it? There’s no getting around it. Yeah. That is coming to the end of the show. Um, I will, I will, uh, suggest to everyone to come to, uh, if they were more interested in Sardinia, the best place to come back to is my website galore and Stockholm that I, you, and there’s a big green button there that will say under the, under the video. And so I’m like, like I said, at this point of actually recording this, we have half the spots are full and we’re, so there’s about 12 spaces left. We’ve actually got about 12 people saying they come in, they haven’t put deposits down yet.
Dave: Yeah. Look, the interest is the interest is huge. Um, you know, people really want to try something different. I would definitely advise them. You want to sit on their hands, get involved. Um, because yeah, those 12 spots they get, they’re going to go pretty quick, um,
Guy: keen sooner rather than later when hearing this. Cause it could well have gone.
Dave: Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.
Guy: Yeah. Awesome, man. I just want to acknowledge you. I want to thank you for coming on the podcast. I want to thank you for everything you do, mate. I know everything you do comes from the heart and, your passion to help people is second to none, man. And you know, you’ve been a big influence on me as well as, since we met in that ice bath a couple of years back at Wim Hoff, you know,
Dave: it goes two ways go, and then that’s one thing I know when you surround yourself with like minded people, it definitely goes two ways. And you know, the, the, you know, the things that I’ve told you, then I’ve just received that back with, uh, with things to do with the mind and, uh, practicing, you know metacognition and all these types of things, which sometimes I might’ve been and have been elements that I would have incorporated to qualify down the line. Yeah. Unfortunately, thank you as well, mate. Yeah.
Guy: Yeah. I appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. And thanks for everyone tuning in today. Like I said, if you want to join myself and Dave and 12 other cool cats so far, um, I’m 24 in total for Sardinia just head back to guylawrence.com.au. And check it out, drop us an email and hopefully we’ll see you there joining us in September for an amazing,
Dave: there’s going to be some pretty amazing personalities on that trip as well.
Guy: So there’s some already coming,
Dave: so it’s going to be a great mix of people. So it’s going to be, it’s going to be a great experience.
Guy: Totally. Totally. Well, thanks for your time, Dave. Appreciate it, man. I’ll see you soon.
Dave: Thanks for having me Guy.
Guy: Thanks buddy. Bye.