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Anona:
If patients came to see me with no risk factors for needing to come to see me, they almost always had a spiritual problem. You have your brain, your heart, brain, and your gut brain. We are so much linked between our physiology, our mind, and our spirit much more than is accepted within Orthodox medicine. It was told telepathically, if you want to, you can die now, but if you come back, if you decide you want to live, you will have a very hard life.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my Let It In Podcast, and my beautiful guest today is Dr. Anon Blackwell, and she is a respected medical consultant who became a mystic after witnessing things, obviously medicine can’t explain from grief, turning into illness. To spirits showing up in the consulting room, I believe she talked about as well. She has quite a wicked sense of humor and some of the stories in here are very funny, and I must admit, I found myself laughing out loud a few times. She also reveals the hidden cost of, I guess, the hill, their healthcare system as it ignores these other aspects of the soul, the spirit, the heart. Whatever words you use, and I’m sure we can all relate to this if you’re watching my channel and we dive into, uh, her vision of what a future where science is spirit can finally meet in the medical systems as well.

Look, great podcast. She is Welsh as well, so I had to say yes when she was coming on because she actually is not far from where I live, where I grew up in Wales. Yeah, beautiful podcast. If you’re watching this. In YouTube, please be sure to let me know where you are in the world. It’s always nice to connect in the comments below, and if you enjoy my podcast, subscribe in hitting the like and things like that, or even sharing with a loved one or friend, continues to help get these messages and conversations out there, which are very dear to me. Also, if you are watching this in the UK or stumbling across this in Europe, we are gonna be in Croatia. In November this year for a five day retreat. Come and join us. Why not? It is gonna be exploring these mystical experiences and actually working within ourselves of how we can live a more heart-centered life from day to day.

They’re fantastic and obviously I get to meet you in person anyway, all links are below if you wanna find out where we are around the world, and there’s some free resources there as well. Much love from me. Enjoy this podcast with an owner. It’s awesome.

Guy:
Dr. Anona Blackwell. Welcome to the podcast My lovely.

Anona:
Oh, thank you. Thank you. By lovely, as they say in, in South Wales.

Guy:
Exactly. Did you know, like I’ve, I’ve recorded nearly 400 episodes of the podcast now, and you are the first Welsh person to come on the show, A fellow Welsh person, and, uh, not,

Anona:
it’s lovely.

Guy:
and not only that, you live in South Wales and it, it got me curious, just thinking about it now as we speaking, what’s the landscape like back home at the moment? Are people open to this, these discussions and this work? Do you find.

Anona:
Yeah. Well, um, I’m a bit crazy. You can imagine. I’ve got a lot of medical friends and I’ve got a lot of friends who are mediums. Uh, and I think the ones who are, who are inverted comm is normal, wouldn’t come near me. You know, not go near that witch sort of thing. But, uh, but um, yeah, I think in Wales it’s, it’s quite interesting ’cause people have asked me this before, but there were a lot of spiritualist churches, far more than, um, I, I certainly found when I was living in London, you know, and, um. I was, I was thinking about this and if you go back to the burning times where witches were burnt, apparently in Scotland there were over 3000 witches burnt, alive, and, and 300 in England, but I think it was only three in Wales. And. I think this goes back to our ancestry, where the, the, the women were regarded as the healers and the keepers of the knowledge and the wisdom, and they were respected within the Welsh community, much more so than in England.

And um. The other thing that they say, which I think is quite funny, is that when the witch hunters came to Wales, they couldn’t understand the language. And so I think there’s a lot more of a genetic background, uh, for, for healers. ’cause, ’cause my grannies were used to be midwives. You know, you’re going back to the 1919, oh gosh, they were born in the 1920s. They would’ve been delivering, delivering babies and the ones because nobody could afford proper doctors in those days. So.

Guy:
Isn’t that

Anona:
So I think there’s a gen. Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
I was good. Like I’m going off topic, I’ll pull it right in. But it opened a loop like, ’cause when you say witches and people burned and, you know, and, but because, because instantly I think of Wizard of Oz and a, and a witch and a broomstick flying around. You know, we’ve had kind of had that projective, but are we talking about mystic healers? People that are connected to spirit

Anona:
Yes, yes. I, I think they were all wise women to be honest, and they were just trying to help. Uh, and you see, when you think about it, um, I often wonder why I’m still single and I think, okay, I am fat. Um, but I think a lot of it was because I think it wasn’t in my soul’s journey because if you’ve got a family and children, then obviously your energies are kind of dissipated. And I think probably. The witches were often either widows or, or single women. Um, and then people almost like fear them I think. So they were somewhat ostracized. Um, but then they did have more time to look at herbalism, uh, and help in their local community. So I think there’s lots of different reasons. Can’t remember what the question

Guy:
No, that’s okay. That’s okay. But it’s interesting you say that because, um, do you feel like though it’s a time in history where we don’t need to be going off to a cave or, or, or become, uh, become a monk to really connect, because I’ve got two young children.

Anona:
hmm. Mm.

Guy:
the moment, and honestly, the, the, my evolution of myself and this unfolding is just accelerating and accelerating and it’s almost like it’s now, and it feels like now or never. It’s an interesting time in history that we have these opportunities to access these conversations. But not only that access. The tools and the wisdom that the ancients and the mystics have known for centuries or thousands of years and actually bring it into our daily lives. But it’s, it feels more extreme because I’m managing so much in my personal life. Like you said, your energy is, is dissipated out holding all these places, but I don’t know any other way of doing it.

Anona:
No, I admire you. Um, I wish you were my son, really,

Guy:
Oh, thank you.

Anona:
but, um, but, but, uh, but the men could all run faster, you know, as I never had kids. But, but, um, yeah, I think it’s, what’s interesting is that, um, since my book’s been published, I’ve been contacted by a number of doctors. And if you look at my website, there is a, a link to a podcast by, by, um, uh, a professor of neuroscience called Selena. Bartlett and she contacted me having read my book ’cause she was very interested in, in some of the things I’d said. And, um. I think it’s, it’s very much, I think the more we understand quantum physics and entanglement and, and, and energy fields, the more that they will realize that so-called paranormal experiences, spiritual experiences are actually normal.

It’s just at the moment we don’t have the machines to be able to quantify. Um. Anything really, very much. Well, I’m saying that, um, for instance, it’s thought that, um, you have your brain, brain, your heart brain and your gut brain, and that with, we are so much linked between our, our physiology, our, our mind, and our, and our spirit much more than we. than it’s accepted within orthodox medicine. And I certainly know that because when my, I lost my mother and my uncle I was very close to. And it took me, I think, the way I somaticize things. I ended up in hospital very quite seriously with broken heart syndrome. And I think it says it all, I, I somaticize my grief and I think so many medical conditions have a, have an underlying, um, spiritual.

And yes, spiritual cause in a way, because where does our consciousness come from? Um, it’s interesting debate, and that’s why I’m trying to open particularly healthcare workers’ minds to not just taking a symptom and giving a drug to affect that symptom, but to peel away the layers see what’s actually going

Guy:
You’ve opened the loop there for me, and I just want you to explain it for the listeners. What do you mean when you say somaticize your grief?

Anona:
Um. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll tell you what I think I, I’ll tell you a story because I think sometimes stories are a better way of describing things. It’s quite funny and a bit naughty, so you might want to edit it out. But years ago, just I am naughty, uh, years ago, uh. When I was still a consultant, I had a new trainee who was, uh, originally being a gynecologist and she had a, a young man come to the clinic. It was the time of one of the, um, financial crises, I think 2008 ish, something like that. And I’m laughing ’cause it was a funny story. This bloke was a banker and. He came in in a typical banker’s three-piece suit. Now you can imagine I went, she, this doctor didn’t know what to do, so she called me in and this bloke was on the couch naked from the waist down.

And, uh, he’d, he’d had unexplained testicular pain for several months and he’d been investigated by the urologist and. Practically everybody else. And he’d come to us for a checkup for venereal diseases, and that had been done and they couldn’t find anything, but he was still complaining of pain in his testes. So I come in and there’s me examining his bits. Okay. And you. When you’re trying to, basically in your head when you’ve been doing a job, 30 odd years, you’ve seen loads of, so there are lots of little files of different case histories. So I was holding onto his testicles and I went into a trance thinking.

Have, have I seen this before? Okay. As one does one, holding the chaps bits and, and, and suddenly I wanted to burst into tears. I warned you about me. Uh, I wanted to burst into tears. I felt intense grief. I felt terrible grief. And then I came and I thought, oh gosh, you know, put a testicle down. And I said, I said, the pain isn’t in your testicle, it’s in your heart. And I said, there’s a, there’s a hole in your heart. Not a real hole, but a, a energetic hole. And I said, what made your heart sad? We are upon this guy, burst into tears. And said the pain had come on in his testicle testicles. The moment the love of his life left him. The moment now there are very few, uh, testicular conditions apart from trauma being kicked in the bits and testicular torsion that can give that acute pain.

And it made sense to him. It made sense to him. And so I said, well, I do energy healing as well, so I just held my hands over his heart chakra. Kind of, I did a, I do a mental prayer and I said, look, do you want more counseling or do you want us to keep following you up? And he said, no, he could understand. And so that’s what I call somatization of, of grief of an en. ’cause grief is an energy form, isn’t it?

Guy:
Uh,

Anona:
understand? Is that an answer?

Guy:
It is perfect. Yeah. I just wanted to, I think it’s such an important point and I wanted to highlight that in the podcast and. So would it be fair to say then is that if we don’t allow, if we shut down our emotional self, when different, uh, occurrences happen, whether they be too fast too soon or, or over a long period of time, we don’t know how to cope with ’em, that then that gets internalized in the body and then manifests into pain disease, different

Anona:
Yeah, it happened with me. Yeah. ’cause my mother, um, I know I loved her, but I didn’t like her for the last 15 years of her life because she had, uh, she had a brain tumor, but she always was very feisty. But I don’t know whether she had dementia or not, because she could be reading the BMJ one minute and wanted to tap me with a knife the next, you know. Um, but I felt very sorry for her and. But it was so hard being kind all the time because she was an old lady and, and I, I, I, I disregarded my own health. And then eventually after she died, and then my uncle died, who was lovely and I was very close to, um, as I said, I ended up with broken heart syndrome.

So yeah, I think that if you don’t express your emotions, then they will come out in other ways. And so, yeah, I always blame my mother ’cause I’m fat. It was a case of, shall I have a whiskey or, or a packet of crisps or kill my mother, you know? And so it was a crisps.

Guy:
Uh, just, just to close one more loop as well, so that case you had with the, the gentleman with the testicular pain, how, ’cause people would say that’s, there’d be, I don’t think anyone listening to this podcast ’cause everyone’s, uh, that listens is generally on the path and, and searching for more. But how were you able to, to read into that It was his heart and not his testicles that were causing the problem from,

Anona:
Yeah. Yeah, good question. That’s a really good question. The answer is, I don’t know, except that while I was just ho, you know, holding it onto his, his testes, I suddenly felt absolutely I wanted to cry my eyes out and it just came to me. So, you see, I think we’ve got an energy field around us, and that if you’re sitting close to someone. You can, I think the brain picks up their consciousness and can process it. It’s like we’re all television receivers. And there’s another story behind this. Um, years ago, uh, I had a, a friend, lovely name Tobias filled in the third. I mentioned him in my book. Lovely man. But anyway, we, we went out for a couple of months and he, he took me to.

Visit some friends of his, uh, parents in Knightsbridge and his father was a four star general and like this, this was like a really posh flat and they had like mahogany on the walls and crystals and, and it, I remember we had a DI dinner party. And it was the first time I’d ever seen another avocado, let alone eat it. So I was this little Welsh, although I was a young doctor going to this posh place, and I was sitting next to a young man, Toby was sitting opposite me, and the head of the, the, the lady was on my left. This bloke was on my right and throughout the whole time we were eating, he would go. He kept on and on about how.

He was on antibiotics for a chlamydia infection, nonspecific ra, and that he was afraid the tablets would work and that his girlfriend would dump him. You see when, when he took her in for treatment and I was getting bored by this, you see? So when it came to a coffee break, I said to him, look, don’t worry about your NSU. I said, complete the antibiotics and tell you girlfriend, you were drunk. Uh, and she’ll probably forgive you, and he looked absolutely shocked and he said, I haven’t spoken a word to you all. Evening a word happened. He had been so ruminating on this problem, and I’d been sitting next to him so that I was picking up his energy field and then my brain.

I was picking it up like a television signal, so yeah, I, I wish I could do that still, or maybe not, because the interesting thing is, is that I had all these paranormal experiences over a fairly short period of time, a bit when I was a kid, a bit when I was in, um, in medical school and a little bit when I was in St. Thomas’. But my mother, as soon as my mother moved in with me and she would wake me up three o’clock in the morning ’cause she’d fallen outta bed or anything, they, everything went, I lost my. Paranormal ability to connect with spirit. And I don’t even know if it’s coming back, although she died in 2019. Um, I don’t know. I think, I think part of my book was channeled. In fact, I know it was, but I don’t get the ability to see dead people or, or, or, or even pets as I used to. It’s completely gone and I have no idea why.

Guy:
so you were able to do that, so you were able to

Anona:
Yeah. Oh yeah, there was, it was

Guy:
how, how clearly though, like, is it, was it a, a

Anona:
very clearly, very clearly. No, very clearly. Um, the best one. Um, well there’s loads I can tell you. And there’s loads of reasons for writing a book. ’cause a lot of these stories I actually wrote down, uh, contemp, you know, contemporaneously at the time. So when I started actually seriously writing the book in 2021, I was, um, had already got loads of chapters, but on one particular occasion. Uh, I was doing a, a female clinic and. It was busy as, as always. And I was at the beginning of my training as a spiritual healer, so I was very much, um, a novice and a lady came in for a checkup and she came in. There was this, um, desk in front of me chair. I was facing her. I remember her back was to the window, and as she came through the room, a little boy whom I could see very clearly, even in my mind now, he had, yeah.

Dark trousers. I think they were black and white t-shirt. And he scampered past her and disappeared into the wall. Now, it kind of wasn’t my first rodeo, but it was very early on. And so I just thought, oh, that’s interesting. A little boy just passed her. And when I was taking a history from her, she had no reason to see me at all because she hadn’t had sexual relationships for years. And, um, what happened is that. She said that she’d had a little boy when I asked her about her parody. I kid she’d had, she said she’d had a little boy, but he drowned in an accident. And then she said, funnily enough doctors, his exact words, I’ve just come from seeing a medium. And she told me he follows me everywhere, which, which, and, and I did not have the courage to tell her.

That I’d seen the child to. I didn’t have the courage part of me. I was still paying my mortgage off. Part of me thought I might frighten the patient and also we were busy. But do you know that night I regretted it so much. I went back to try and find her notes, but she hadn’t given her. Name and address. Because what I learned after that is that if patients came to see me with no risk factors for, for needing to come to see me, they almost always had a spiritual problem. And I could tell you loads of incidences where that happened. Um, so yeah, and I, I kind of, I was so upset, even to this day, I think, oh gosh, I should have told her, I’d seen her little boy ’cause it would’ve comforted her.

And, um. I just hope Spirit has forgiven me, really? And, and so after that I said, look guys, whoever they are, um, if I see things in future, I’ll always disclose, but you’ve gotta make sure that there’s no negative comeback because I’m a coward. Um, and, and there never was. And, and I told some patients, like one lady came in with a, a spirit of a horse and I saw it so clearly. Um, again, I can tell you that story, but I’ll bore you stiff with all my stories.

Guy:
How does No, I I, I understand it’s a really challenging topic. I mean, there’s a, there’s so much in entangled in that, you know. Uh, how, how so was, was these gifts opening up to you naturally? Was there anything that sparked them on that, that sparked them online, if you like.

Anona:
Hmm. And I think we all have a sacred contract before we are born. I think I was privileged to, to be born into poverty because when you’re poor you have to live off the land. And so, uh, I can remember as a child, we lived outside aga as my house is now, and my father used to keep bees. And as an infant probably, I can remember it very clearly, so it must have been seven or eight. We had large trees and there were beehives, and I used to sit with my back against the large trees talking to the bees. It sounds as I was autistic, but I think you get this kind of. A gut connection with nature. Uh, and as a child, I had like a lot of kids do, I had a spirit child, her name was Christina, and I remember she had short black hair and I used to play with her up the field in our cow shed.

And I used to insist my mother set a place for her at the table. Um, but I never asked my mother to put food on the plate. I think that’s probably because I wanted it myself, you know? But, uh, yeah, so it started off at a young age and my father was psychic as well. Um. He was a dowser and would douse for water when my, when my grandfather would build houses, you know? And, um, yeah, he also knew if I was ill, uh, even though I was a medical student in London, he would know if there was anything wrong with me and I’d get a phone call,

Guy:
What, what

Anona:
And so,

Guy:
I was gonna say, what was the attraction to them being a medical student and studying medicine to.

Anona:
hmm.

Guy:
And then, ’cause this feels very left of the middle, that with the discussions we’re having here now to

Anona:
Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, I did my first degree in, in biophysics and, and Maurice Wilkins, who shared the Nobel Prize with Watson and Crick was my tutor. So my first degree was incredibly left-brained, and I was due to go to America to do a PhD in a disease called an eye disease called retinitis pigmentosa. But then the Vietnam War. Broke out and, and the chaps grant was stopped. And then two things happened. Really, uh, during my vacation I used to, um, clean toilets at the Neville Hall Hospital, which is just down the road from me. And one day I was cl cleaning the floors in and outpatient, and there was a lady sobbing her heart out.

And so I went up to her and she said. The doctor had just told she had pelvic infection and that she’d never be able to have children, and, and I thought, I can’t console her because I’m only a cleaner, you know? And. I thought, do I really want to go to America and study, you know, this academic thing? So that was the one thing, and it was ironic, I think, that later on in life I became, um, kind of internationally recognized for my work on prevention of pelvic infection. But I’m not sure what the link there was really. But the other thing was, um, I was due to have do finals and my wisdom teeth were impacted. And as a 21st birthday present, my parents paid for me to have them removed. Um. In a, in a private hospital so that I wouldn’t be in pain during my ex exams. And I can remember it, um, the, it, it was run by nuns in those days and they’d had to fracture my jaw to get the tooth out.

And I was in agony and a nurse came along and gave me pettine. It’s funny, I can remember all these silly details from so long ago. Uh, and, and it took me from. A place of agony to normality. And I thought, I wanna be a doctor. So I phoned up my professor, uh, Jean Hansen in London and said, right, I want to be a medical, I want to be a medical student. Can you pull any strings? And she did. You couldn’t do it nowadays. But she, she, I remember she was very kind, she’d said, I said, I thought she’s dead now. So I can say the truth that she’d said to them, if they didn’t give me a place, they would, um, uh, she wouldn’t lecture for them anymore. But, but, um. Uh, but anyway, I, I did get in and I had a good degree, et cetera, and, and I hope I, I subsequently was worthy of her trust in me, you know?

So, yeah. That’s why I became a doctor. It was, it was sudden. It was a vocation because I thought, do I want to be a research academic, but I, I would’ve, yeah. Or, or do I want to help heal people? And I ended up doing both, which was nice.

Guy:
What? What are your thoughts on, I mean, when you are in that environment and. I mean, I, I don’t work in the medical industry. I’ve got relatives that do, and you know, we, we tend to look at everything very mechanistically. We pull things

Anona:
Yeah.

Guy:
and we, we, we treat the symptoms and, and work with what’s there. But on the flip side, you’ve spoke about this, this, whole emotional, mental, and even spiritual aspects of, of healing as well. That are almost discredited or not accepted, or haven’t been, I don’t know if that it’s, the industry is changing.

Anona:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
was that like for you as a practitioner? Not, you know, working with all

Anona:
Yeah, the answer is incredibly easy because I was a workaholic and evenas a junior registrar in London, I had, um, had two. Two Lancet papers. Well, people are lucky if they get one lead an article in the Lancet, let alone three in a lifetime. And so even as a junior registrar, I was like an international expert, which is weird. And I think that came about because the love of my life dumped me. And, and instead of them getting depressed, i, I, I put on six stone in weight and, and, and, uh, just became very much an academic. Thank you, Nick. But anyway, um, uh. Yeah. So if you’ve got enough academic qualifications, even my, my old boss, um, patients would come in and I would quite openly say what had happened.

For instance, um, I’m trying to think of a good story. Oh, yes. This is a funny one. Your, your viewers were like this. She was, um, if you can imagine a female version of Michael Ka. A kind of cockney. Okay. And she was a bit older than me and she, let me see. I know she had thrush. That’s right. She had a, a, an irritation down below. I’m trying to be polite, you know, and so I was taking a history from her, asking her what she’d been up to, and suddenly there was this. Bloke standing next to me, and he was very judgmental. He was standing there and I, I did, I see, I saw him side on, yeah. And, and I felt intimidated by his presence. Now, bear in mind, this is St. Thomas’s teaching hospital. There’s me sitting in a chair, a desk, and the patient, and an x-ray machine on, you know, viewer on the side.

Nothing else. And so I said to her, I’m awfully sorry. I said, I can’t go on asking you these questions ’cause there’s a man in the room. Now most normal patients would run out saying the doctor is crazy. Are you with me? And she said, don’t worry that, uh, uh, don’t worry about him, doc. She said, it’s only Arthur. And a very cop accent. She said, he follows me everywhere. She said, he’s been dead 10 years. She said, you tell him to bugger off, you see? So in my head I said, bugger off. And he did. Uh, so yeah, and, and I tell my colleagues about it and yeah, and they kind of accepted because I, on one hand I was very much an academic lecturing in various places, and you know.

Very much respected as an academic. Uh, and I was clearly sane, if you see what I mean. At least I thought I was sane. I think they did as well, or they just asked me. But I went up from being registrar lecturer and senior reg, um, and then eventually got a consultant post. So I think I was lucky in that I had a very solid academic background, um, and I never felt embarrassed about, about, um, saying what my reality was, you know?

Guy:
Yeah. Well that’s one of the key things, isn’t it? That that’s something I struggled with for quite some time, is actually just saying it as it is and, and what you’re experiencing from not just for fear of being

Anona:
A lot of, a lot of me, yeah, a lot of medics do. In fact, there was a whole chapter that I wrote, there’s not in the book, uh, called Other People’s Experiences and, um. Yeah, like one chap was a, a neurosurgeon and, and he’d seen spirit all his life, really. Um, but it, it would’ve made the book a bit long. um, a lot of my medic friends have, have, have confided in me, but I suppose. Venereal diseases, you’ve gotta have a sense of humor, uh, and be able to re really relate to patients. It’s not like open heart surgery. Um, but I, I, I was accepted. I don’t know, maybe ’cause I was Welsh and fairly affable and fat probably being helped as well. So, you know, I don’t know. I was cuddly

Guy:
In my notes here, it said you had a, uh, a near death experience. Is that correct? What happened there?

Anona:
well. It’s been labeled as near death experience by various podcasters. But what actually happened, it was more a, more of a partial, uh, near death experience. And what happened is that it’s going back an awful long time. I was a junior, I was a house surgeon at St. Stephens, and On a Monday morning. Now, the previous Sunday I was off duty and one of my colleagues had was leaving and I had two glasses of rather horrible red wine note to someone who’d not drunk at all. You know, during your life we couldn’t afford it, et cetera. Uh, and so I, I had a bit of a hangover. I, I think that’s what it was. And one of the other doctors said, oh, I’ll, I’ll give you something to get you over that. And it was something called aine. I then had to go into the operating theater to help my boss, and suddenly my head started going backwards and I had something called an ocular gyrate crisis, which is a potentially life-threatening reaction to this drug this colleague had given me.

And after that, I was a collapsed really. And I can remember going into a dark space, but I wasn’t afraid. And. I was, I was told telepathically, if you want to you can die now. Um, but if you want, if you come back, if you decide you wanna live, um, you will have a very hard life. Oh my, my initial reaction was, great, I’m happy where I’m, thanks, let’s die. But then they showed me how badly my mother would be affected because my father had died a few months previously and I thought, well, I can’t do this to her. I gotta back. So, so I came back, but I see relatives. I didn’t have the bright, so I think I only went part of the way, you know?

Guy:
Did that feel like a dream or was it visceral and real? When they said they showed you? Was it like images coming in? Like how, how does, can you

Anona:
No, it was just, it was just, it was just like somebody saying your mother will be in a bad state, you know? And I think that part probably, you said I, if, if you, well, I knew if I died that my mother would be in absolute, you know, despair. Um, but I, I can’t remember seeing images. O only telepathically being aware. And you can’t even say you’re here. You just know, you know.

Guy:
Hmm.

Anona:
So it wasn’t a near death experience.

Guy:
Yeah.

Anona:
My dad had one though. He, he told me he drowned. He was drowned, almost drowned when he was a young man, and he had, um, visions of his past, you know, his, his life up until that time.

Guy:
Do, do you, uh, like when you have these experiences and, uh, and I always wonder if I’m in a bubble because I podcast, I, I run retreats. I, I’m kind of just constantly in the space and we’re inviting people into the space that we creating. Okay.

Anona:
mm, mm

Guy:
So my, my world is very much. Of honoring and accepting a lot of these principles that we talk about, but also practicing them in my own life.

Anona:
hmm.

Guy:
when you’re out there on the outside and you’ve not, you’re unaware of all of this, this can feel very foreign. Uh.

Anona:
Sc very scary. Yeah.

Guy:
I’m very, I’m very scary as well. But at the same time with your, you know, it’s like you’ve bridged both worlds. That left side

Anona:
Yeah.

Guy:
side and that right brain

Anona:
weird, isn’t it? Yeah.

Guy:
is beautiful and, but do you, do you feel that we going in a direction where we, this is gonna be accepted and embraced and actually we are gonna start to look at. Healing as a holistic modality where we actually honor these from the physical all the way through to the, the spiritual side of things.

Anona:
I think, I think we will. It’ll take a long time. I have several young-ish medical friends, GPS mainly, who are very much aware of spirituality. In fact, I think one of them had had a Kundalini, um. So, yeah, I think it has to happen and I think it’s going to happen because we can’t afford the way that medicine is going. It’s getting more and more technical and we gotta start looking at the root cause of illness, which is poverty. Stress. I think stress is a major, major factor. Uh, and we have to look at gentler ways of, of preventing disease rather than just treating, um, the outcome. Um, it certainly is something called the College of Medicine, which.

Rose like a Phoenix from Prince Charles’s Foundation for integrated health. They’re very much involved in looking at, um, alternative ways of, of caring for people really. Um, so I think it happen, but it’s terribly slow.

Guy:
I know, and I certainly don’t wanna get political. It’s not, not what I’m about in the podcast, but I do, you know, in my world it’s all about prevention. It’s, it’s actually staying out of that in the first place and, and knowing that my health is my responsibility and it’s, it’s up to me to to do that. But, but at the same time, there’s, there’s absolutely doesn’t feel, appear, certainly wasn’t when I was growing up, and that no proper education or understanding around how to maintain household and supportive infrastructures.

Anona:
Hmm. Yeah. And, and walking your toes is so hard to, to walk on’s to. I wish I could. And I’ve got, um, almost three acres and I try to do as much gardening as I can. I grow most of my old food in the summer. Um, but trying to keep it up all the time. ’cause orthodox medicine does offer you a quick fix. And I can tell you if I’ve got bladder infection, I want antibiotics, I’m not going to go and pray over a dandelion or

Guy:
yeah, yeah. You, you mentioned as well that, um, we, we choose how part you believe that, you know, the, the soul comes here, which kind of. Predetermined and almost how do you think the bigger picture works? How did, how does from spirit to the soul to experiential at Earth? The fact that we don’t remember that there seems to be a, a veil of forgetful

Anona:
Yeah.

Guy:
we come into the space and then we, we try to navigate in this extreme sport called life, you know, that has all these challenges. What is your, what is your sort of vantage point of perspective of all these things?

Anona:
Well, this is where. I can say I believe, rather than actually know, because I think even in my book, I’ve got a whole section. This is what I believe and this is what I actually know to be true. Uh, and so this comes into an area of belief and it comes from reading numerous books and you kind of read a whole load of books.

Look, think of other people’s ideas and think, does this kind of make sense? And yeah, so, so I, I believe before we are born. That we sort of choose the broad outline. Of our life. And what’s quite interesting is that this goes against the concept of free will in this earth. Once we’re here, I don’t think we have free will and nor did Einstein, which is very interesting ’cause Einstein a heck of a clever guy and he did not believe in free will.

And I found some, an interesting stuff. Um, letters he’d written to, uh, the relatives of a friend of his who died. And I, I actually think that before we were born, we do have a degree of free will. Uh, we are told we have to learn X, y, and Z lessons, and then we kind of choose our parents and we choose the people we are going to meet and what lessons we have to learn. But do I know the answer’s? No, but looking back on my own life, I, I always knew I was going to be a writer. I, I wrote my first book when I was 13 and. And, and look, when I showed it to my editor of the current book, um, she was laughing. She said You had to be 40 when you wrote this. ’cause a lot of it was quite mature.

Um, and I also found, uh, an old school textbook, uh, little notebook. And in it I was about 14 or 15. And bear in mind, we didn’t have any books in the house. We couldn’t afford them. I’d written that when I, when I grew up, I would write a a, a memoir. And the later chapters would be, later chapters would be on faith healing, which is what I called it in those days. So I somehow knew what my future was gonna be, and I’d forgotten about this until I was looking through a whole load of, of papers in preparing my current book. If you get my drift.

Guy:
Hmm.

Anona:
I’m not sure if I, if I’ve answered your question, but I, I think we do have choice before we’re born, but when we’re here, it’s tough titty. You have to put up with it, you know?

Guy:
yeah, but I, I’m also interested in, are you able to unpack the free will aspect a little bit more? Because I can get up in the morning and, and choose to do, you know, different aspects of my life. But are you talking like from, from almost a destiny or how, how do you, how do you look at that if.

Anona:
I don’t, I don’t think we have much, much choice in all honesty. Um, if you take it. Step, I say, so why, why am I gonna move my head to the left? Is that all predetermined? I don’t know. I think the other thing is, is that there’s probably a whole load of different realities going on at the same time. Um, and again, do I have any proof of this? Well, something is rather funny is that when I lost my beloved Jack Russell called Fido a few years back, uh, I knew I was going to have another pup and I had my gardener chap who helps me in the garden. Um. That’s what gardeners are, isn’t it? I, I had him pulling up everything that a pup could possibly find poisonous or pulling up fox gloves, that sort of things.

And I, I went out to show him what, um, plants I wanted him to remove. And he looked up absolutely shocked. I said, what’s the matter? And he said, well, you just disappeared. And, and then you came back from behind around the side of the conservatory. I, and he said, did you, did you come backwards and forwards? I said, no. And, and then we, when we looked at our CCTV, it showed me going halfway across the lawn disappearing and then coming back again. So that’s weird, isn’t it? ’cause he’d seen it and it showed up on the CCTV. So I think, well, is there another auto reality going on? I don’t know, but, um, I don’t think we have much choice. Uh, but do I have any proof of it? No, not really. Apart from Einstein believed it, so why can’t I, you know,

Guy:
Yeah.

Anona:
because he reckoned even murderers should be forgiven because it was, they don’t have free will he reckoned?

Guy:
Isn’t that interesting? Yeah, it is a, it’s a rabbit hole of a topic and, and, and I really appreciate you speaking of the difference between what you, from knowing and then the, the certain beliefs around. Yeah. because I, I, I feel. Those things can get very merged sometimes and,

Anona:
They are. Yeah. Yeah. Mm.

Guy:
uh, especially,

Anona:
see I, yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
especially in this, um, in this genre of topic that we speak about of spirit. And, um, I think it’s important to, to distinguish that all everything should be experiential and knowing,

Anona:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even you. Yeah. You tell me you’re in Australia, but I don’t actually know that Australia exists because I’ve never been there. But I’ve seen it on telly, I’ve read about it in books. I got, um, relatives that live there, but I don’t know it exists. Whereas I do know I’ve got my hand in front of my face at the moment, you know, because I can feel it and whatever. Uh, and so. You can get those two distinct things, but it’s a very blurred area and I don’t know the answers.

Guy:
What do you know? Like, why did you write your book? Why did you feel like this was a time for you to, to put, to put this book out there in the world?

Anona:
Yeah, I, I felt it was very much my destiny from the time I was a kid. Um. I love writing and for me it was, um, probably an escapism because life was quite tough as a kid and so I used to always write essays, that sort of thing. But, um. I don’t think God let me die until I’ve, until I’ve done what I’m supposed to be. And I didn’t want to have to come back again. Um, so I’m hoping that I kind of graduated from Earth School, but, um, yeah, I, I, I felt that, I felt very disillusioned ’cause I was very much part of orthodox medicine at an academic level. And I’ve said lecture in Europe and America, I was a poacher. Become a gamekeeper or the other way around, gamekeeper gone poacher.

And I desperately wanted to do something that would open people’s minds to spirituality, to not take in such a materialistic view of life, healthcare workers. And I felt if I, I know that I’ve already helped quite a few people on that path. And even if it’s only just one or two, it was worth the enormous effort of, of writing the book, you know.

Guy:
Hmm.

Anona:
But, uh, that was the reason because I had, my ego was satisfied when I was, um, an academic and people would come for your autograph. It was like being a rock star once you got something in the Lancet. But, um, so my ego was satisfied. Nowadays, my ego is based on does my dog love me? And, and, and all my potatoes growing, you know, so, so the book was just something I needed to do for my soul’s journey.

Guy:
And, and how, how’s it, how’s it been received since it’s been out there?

Anona:
Well, I’ve had, uh, the first podcast I did was with Jeff Mara and it had 25,000 views and lots of positive, um, uh, you know, reviews on it if you have a look at it. Um, and. But in terms of sales, no. But I, I don’t know whether it’s just because people are not interested, but the, the, the people who have read my book, uh, and on Amazon, uh, it’s been very flattering, you know, and, and actually even when I read it now, I think, oh, that was quite cool because, you know, I, I was four years writing it and when I was, I was reading it a bit before I came online with you, and I thought, yeah, that’s quite cool. I can’t even remember some of the things I wrote.

Guy:
what, like is the book designed as well to speak to academics that are out there, that are maybe curious about

Anona:
No, it’s a very funny book. It’s a, it’s a memoir. And especially about the, the chapter I wrote when I met King Charles. That was good. It’s incredibly readable. Uh, and I talk a li, I talk a little bit later on about spirituality and about, um, precognition, psychometry. But, um, I’ve got a very wicked sense of humor. So in fact, most people have read it, said they find it both funny and kind of informative. It’s a bit like Har Potter to medical school.

Guy:
No. Beautiful, beautiful. I, I, I have no doubt. Um, people will, will definitely jump in and, and check your book out after today’s podcast. The, the.

Anona:
they find it funny if they go onto, my website has got a lot of chapters there that, especially the one in meeting King Charles. That was really funny ’cause I flirted with him outrageously. He’s a lovely blo. He let me hold his hand.

Guy:
So I, there’s a question, uh, I I wanted to open up as well, because you mentioned it earlier, um, with your medical background, but how much do you look at faith, prayer and healing as a concept to, to support one’s healing journey and what have you, what have you experienced from that side of things over the, over your years?

Anona:
Hmm. Well, yeah. I, I, I kind of link the word faith with religion and, and I’m like that with religion, you know? No, don’t let religion come near me. Don’t let, yeah.

Guy:
yeah, I never grew up in any religion. Faith, for me, faith is just faith.

Anona:
no. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. ’cause. I think so many bad things have been done in the name of religion, you know, not just Christian faith, uh, um, uh, Islam, the whole lot that, you know, I’m gonna be head you in the name of whoever, whatever, um, or crucify you. And so I kind of squirm at the thought of religion. I think it’s a way of controlling people. Um, a co Sorry, what was, can you

Guy:
So it’s, it’s ti it is ultimately looking at energy healing and looking at the power of, we could reframe it, but the power of intention that is behind that and connecting to some higher power that comes through us to, to create a healing environment.

Anona:
Mm. Yeah. What, so what do you need to do for that? Well, I certainly did two year course training, uh, to be registered as a spiritual healer and some quite interesting things happened. Um. Again, I tend to talk ex, even myself. I didn’t believe it because I was a doctor. Uh, and, and like this orthodoxy and I remember I was swimming at the Marriott swimming pool years ago when I was in the middle of it, and there was this couple elderly couple in their seventies or eighties, the swimming and, and the, the bloke was sitting at the edge of the pool.

She said, I said, I said, how are you? And, and she said, oh, my husband’s in a bad way. He’s got a bad shoulder. And she said, he’s seen the doctor’s, nothing they can do about it. And he showed me he could only lift it up so high. So I said, oh. I said, I do spiritual healing, energy healing, and I just did this. To his shoulder for a few minutes and prayed. I always prayed to Archangel Michael. And the funny thing was, it, it went, the pain went completely. I thought he was having me on. So I, I, I know it exists ’cause I’ve seen it happen and, and I think you kind of try and channel energy to get the body back to a perfect template because I think that as soon as we die, we.

Reef. We go back to a perfect form, and I know this is the case because I had one lady come to see me. She was as old as I am now and she had some, I used to do a skin clinic, a V skin skin clinic, and I was just taking a history from her and I was very much aware of her husband standing next to me. He had a truby hat on and a long black mark. No. Dark gray. And he was holding his arms like that. And I thought, oh, well, he was standing with his back to the door and she was sitting down and I said, Ry, I said she’d had a hysterectomy. And so I said, oh, can you tell me when that was? And she said, oh, I can’t remember. She said, I’ll ask my husband. He’s standing next to you.

Okay. And I said, oh. I said, I know he, as you see, so we ended up having this three-way telepathic conversation and. She told me that during his lifetime, he’d, all the time they’d been married, he was in a wheelchair, and so I said, that’s strange. I said, because he’s standing up now. And then she said he, um, uh, he, he was in a wheelchair all his life, but as soon as he, he, he’s died, he was well, do you see what I mean?

Which was a bit oxymoronic. As soon as he died, he became well. So as soon as he died, all his infirmities had gone and he was back into his spirit form. And I can remember. She was leaving. One of my nurses whispered to me, oh, I think she said, don’t you think that lady needs to see a psychiatrist? She’s, she’s telling everyone, her husband’s with her. And I said, I don’t think so. I said, because we’re both have to see a psychiatrist. ’cause I saw him too. So, so yeah, that’s just a story to say that, um, about, about spirituality and energy forms and, and what happens to us. I think when we are dead, we, we lose our infirmities and, and go back to a perfect form.

Guy:
Hmm. No, it is an interesting thing ’cause it’s something I’ve been exploring over the years as well, and. I, I, I like the reference of this. There’s this field of energy or there’s this perfection, but through our human experiences that is, it’s restricted. It’s, it’s not expressing itself fully and there’s, there’s a informational exchange between the physical body and our energy fields itself. And if we,

Anona:
And, and Dr. Penny? Yeah, Dr. Penny Satori, who is a mate of mine, uh, she was a, a student nurse when I was teaching geo medicine, and we became friends. She became part of my meditation group, and she did a lot of research on near death experiences. And one of her, uh, uh. Peoples that she writes about in her book is of a chap who had got a fixed deformity from birth. So, and, and it’s not treatable, basically. Excuse me. He had a near death experience and then when he came back, his hand was almost normal. So it’s like as if he’d got the memory of what it should be like. And it was really weird and she managed to get photographs. I understand. But the other one is an interesting one.

It’s um, it’s in several books, but I wrote about it as well and it was about, I can’t remember the details. I have to look it up. But it was a shared near death experiences and it was a group of, of, uh, firemen who, they were called the hotshot, I think, and they were. in, uh, when they were put behind the lines, you know, parachutes didn’t be dropped behind the lines to create a barrier cutting down all the shrubs and trees so the, the fire would stop only what happened, the wind change and it was com even the trees were exploding and normally what they’d have to do is dig a hole and put this metal, um, sheet over them in a file.

They didn’t have time, so they just had this file sheet and they should have all been incinerated. But the chap who was leading it, he found that he was floating in the air and he could see all the other members of the group. I think there were 10 or 12 of them also floating in the air. And one of his mates who was, I think it was called Jose, had always had a foot abnormality and, and he looked around and said, Hey, look, your foot is normal. And so, and they all experienced the same thing. So what happened is that he was told, um, if you want to, you can live or you can go on, but if you come back to Earth, you’ll be fine. So they came back into their bodies and none of them were harmed very, very strangely, but when they were interviewed subsequently, they all, um, had, had seen each other floating above their bodies and then come back.

So, um, and, and they all noticed this bloke’s foot was. When he was, you know, in the other side as it were. So, yeah. So there’s a lot of evidence out there, but not many people know about it, you know?

Guy:
Yeah, no, it’s fascinating. We see it, we see it a lot. ’cause we actually do, um, we work towards using, uh, group energy healing and working and. The way I look at that is, is a, is as you reorganize that energy, then the, the body is the wisdom within the body knows what to do, and then it starts to reorganize itself.

Anona:
Exactly, and, and groups are important. You know, when I, I had a group in Swansea, so many weird stuff happened, but, and most of them were doctors, consultants or gps or other healthcare workers. Um, and unfortunately when my mother moved in, she was so disruptive. So after having them once a fortnight for two years, I had to stop doing it. And I think it was after that, that my own connection with spirit. Very, very weak and I am trying to set up a group in Aveni, but you need to get like-minded souls really, and you need about half a dozen or so, and it takes a while to get people whose energies gel. You know?

Guy:
Yeah, no, totally. It’s on my vision to run a, run an event in, in whales and come back at some stage and see if I

Anona:
I’d love to meet you. Yeah.

Guy:
and pull, pull people out of the woodwork throughout whales to, to come and, uh, share a space for the day as we, as we work with it. But, um, just as we wrap up the podcast and Anona, I wanna ask you, how, what do you see the, the medicine of the future looking like? How do you think it’s gonna go in, in this lifetime?

Anona:
Hmm. Yeah. Well, again, I’ve written about this in my book at some length, and again, what happened in 2007, the Lancet asked people to write a fictitious piece. Years. And so in this article I put myself a hundred years, hence from 2007, and I even predicted a pandemic and I couldn’t believe it when I found this. And I was saying how, how a pandemic resulted in changing the way medicine was practiced since much more of it was done online. Years later, and it, it made my hair stand on end and I’d forgotten about submitted farfetched, but I think we’re more ai, which is a good and bad thing, uh, constant has developed, um, photography whereby I if you know about it, but you put your hand on a, on a plate and it measures your energy field.

You can see which parts of the body are affected. So I think that it’s a, a vibration in our body. It’s a vibration. Of negativity and I used to be able to scan people and, and think, oh yeah, there’s something going on there. You know, I probably still could if I had enough patience around me. And so I think it’ll be online. We’ll have a little gizmo at home that will put our hand on, and it’s in, um, Constantin OVS latest book, I think it’s called The Energy of Consciousness. It’s brilliant how he, he predicts it, but I, I entirely agree with him that you put your hand on his plate, you have your energy field. Um. Measured and it’ll pick up whether your pro problem, which part of the body, and if it’s a physical thing like acute appendicitis, you’ll be referred to a surgeon, which is like the lowest part of medicine, really acting on the physical body.

If there’s a, a metabolic disturbance such as diabetes, you’ll be referred to a physician and if it’s a a, a mental health problem or a spiritual problem, then. There will be, uh, I would call them modern shaman, really to kind of connect with spirit, to figure out. The shaman is someone who can connect with spirit to, to work out, um, some, uh, what can I say? How to, how to heal the person or the tribe and trying to remember the definition that I put in my book, you know? But uh uh, so I think it’ll go that way. I think it’ll be online. You put your hands on it and then you’ll be referred. But we have to appreciate the need for social contact because without my friends, I would go crazy.

Guy:
It’s it.

Anona:
The need for touch. If I, if I’m going really mad, I, I get, uh, one of my practitioner reser Indian head massage or reflexology, and I make sure my dog gives me lots of hugs, and that is so important, the love of your friends and, and relatives if you’ve got your livestock.

Guy:
I, I’m so happy you said that ’cause that, that that connection and that touch is, is critical. And that was one of the driving forces of why I wanted to create a space of retreats and events is actually. Bringing people together because, because when we’re in isolation, we, we actually forget or undervalue that connection point. And when you’re with people that, that, that actually see you for who you are and not, not put all these imposed judgments on you and accept you,

Anona:
Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
it’s so healing. It, it’s unbelievable. And when you create those bonds and those relationships and, um,

Anona:
And h hugs are so important. I think

Guy:
I, I’m a hugger. Yeah.

Anona:
I’m terrible. I hug everybody. I’m dying to meet you. I can’t guarantee you’d be safe, mind you, but you’d get lots of hugs and I’d let my, let my Jack Russell L.

Guy:
Yeah, no. Yeah, you’d get over my mom too. She’s still, she’s still in Wales. But, um,

Anona:
Oh good.

Guy:
before we, uh, wrap up the podcast, is there anything else you want to leave the listeners to ponder on as we tie things up?

Anona:
I think my uncle all, all his life, he’d, he’d been quite materialistic and, but I still, but I loved him and he loved me the, because I was like the daughter he’d ever heard. And I think the only thing that really, really matters when you’re on your deathbed is love. Uh, and it’s very hard sometimes. But, um, I think if you can look on love as a, almost like a physical thing and say to yourself, will love do this. Then, then do it. Not that. Having said that, I still argue with people, you know, if I get cut, I don’t actually, I’m quite good at, I don’t get road rage much to my, my, my late mother used to get so cross with me ’cause I would be very laid back. She’d say, oh, you should peep your home. No, he is probably off to a hospital or something, you know.

So yeah, just try and love as much as you can. Um, yeah, and it’s not that easy. And don’t, don’t beat yourself up about it because I do, if I, you know, think I haven’t had a particularly good day, whatever.

Guy:
No, absolutely. We’re all human at the end of the day. Where, where, where can, um, what’s the name of your book and where can people grab a copy if they, if they

Anona:
Oh yeah. Well, it’s called From Medic to Mystic. Uh, and it’s on Amazon and, um, I don’t know if it’s certainly in bookshops, you know, it’s on, I know in bookshops in America and in the uk. Not sure about Australia, but it’s certainly on Amazon. And, but you can get a lot of freebie stuff on my, um, website, which is, uh. Dr. Blackwell co uk and I got some wealth recipes for food there as well because I love cooking and this funny stuff. But tell them if they don’t read anything, read the chapter about King Charles because I was with him outrageously and he’s a lovely man.

Guy:
Beautiful. There’ll be links in the show, loads below. Uh, but Anona, thank you so much for coming on the, the podcast today. I, I, I love your, I love your authenticity. It’s beautiful and so lovely to have a fellow Welsh person on you. It’s been great.

Anona:
Yeah, I love your, love your accent. Honestly, I could listen to your voice all night. I might play it back and then just, I can sleep. I probably wouldn’t sleep though. Take care.

Guy:
for lovely. Thank you.

Anona:
Bye.