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Jeffery:
Love is the most powerful force in the universe, and it will bring humanity together at some point. We have no idea how powerful we are as human beings. We are divine, enlightened creators, beings of light, eternal, and yet we’re having this experience, the human experience, and. It is full of choices. We could talk about it and we could theorize about it, but we’ll never know the lesson unless we experience it.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my podcast today. I welcome back Jeffrey Olsen and. This man is amazing. This podcast is amazing. His journey is, is so moving and incredible today. You might be familiar with the story and you might not be. We dived into his journey and story last time of his near death experience and um, in the original podcast. So I didn’t go into it as much today though, even though it comes up and it’s extremely moving. So if you wanna really dive deeper, I suggest recommend the other podcast as well. And today we dive into not only what he saw on the other side from his near death experience, but about what’s happening with humanity right now and whether we’re actually falling apart or falling into place, and his views around this and spirituality in general.

Like I said, I love this man. This podcast was amazing. And if you listen to it in entirety, I promise you, you will feel hopeful and inspired by the end of it. So if you are listening on YouTube, all your likes, comments, shares, all help. Grow this podcast and continue to help get these content and information out there. So if you do enjoy it, please, you know, interact and engage it. It really does help. And of course, like I always ask, let me know where you are in the world, where you’re tuning in from. It’s wonderful to see it coming in. I’ve literally just got back from the Croatia retreat, you feeling the, the small bits of jet lag, but all in all feeling, uh, pretty awesome as well.

And if you wanna know what we’d up to, I always say there’s actually three ways we can support you. As in myself and live in flow. If you’re ever interested and want to continue your journey with us, what links will be below? But there’s a free heart guide we offer. I’m not sure if you know it. I do mention it now and then. But that heart guide is something, the PDF that you can print out and put on, put on your fridge. It’s a great introduction to our values and to the work, and it helps you start to integrate more living from the heart and the acronym and that. So I’d highly recommend check that out. We actually hold, uh, a membership community that we have.

I think we got close to 200 people from all over the world in there. The moment is continuing growing. If you are feeling disconnected from people and you actually wanna meet people and want to come together and be held in processes and held with frameworks, courses and structures to help you, guide you into your own inner wisdom, we have that on offer as well. It’ll be links below for that. And of course, our events and retreats, which we are holding all over the world. And if you’re just in Croatia, hey, uh, it was wonderful to meet you all. So it’s there. We want to get this out with many people as often, and there are offerings if, uh, that any of that resonates. Anyway, I hope to meet you one day in person, somewhere around the world. Enjoy this podcast with Jeffrey. Uh, it’s phenomenal. Much love.

Guy:
Jeffrey.

Jeffery:
Thank you.

Guy:
to the podcast, my

Jeffery:
you.

Guy:
nice to see you.

Jeffery:
Good to see you again too. It’s been too long and yet it seems like yesterday and five years ago. Wow.

Guy:
isn’t it? And I was thinking what was happening

Jeffery:
It’s,

Guy:
ago? I’ve, I’ve literally, at that point, I think I just give birth to my first daughter not long in that

Jeffery:
mm-hmm.

Guy:
So she’s five and a half now and had a son as well since who was actually born on my birthday. Can you believe it? So he,

Jeffery:
Oh, that’s beautiful.

Guy:
December. So yeah, there’s lots been My life is very full. But anyway, this podcast is about you today and, and I have no doubt I’ll be introducing you to new listeners and also people that, that obviously know your journey and story as well. But you know, just to keep it into format. If you were at an intimate dinner party though, and somebody asked you what you did for a living, how would you respond?

Jeffery:
Wow. Actually, I still work full time. I mean, I’m currently the creative director at a television network, uh, known as BYU tv. And we do all kinds of different content. Everything from reality shows to scripted dramas. In fact, we’ve been working with the BBC, uh, on a show called Mallory Towers. It’s an era piece about British school girls and their connection. And, uh, we won an Emmy for that one. It was a best supporting actor. So that’s what I do with my daytime. Um, in my spare time, I’m an author, I’m an inspirational speaker, and, uh, wow. I’m a grandfather now too. You speak of these children? I’ve got a, I’ve got a baby grandson who will be turning two in January and he is the joy of my life. He’s amazing.

Guy:
congratulations. It’s, it’s

Jeffery:
Thank you.

Guy:
they’re my greatest teachers at the moment. They truly are. It’s really fascinating to witness, you know? Um,

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
but I’ve, one place I did wanna start, Jeffrey, you know, making into your own journey and things in the moment, but is when we last spoke, we, the, we were in the middle, I think, of the pandemic. It had just come out

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
we we’re five and a half years on now, and there seems to be a lot of fear perpetuated out there, a lot of noise. It’s quite incredible. Um, if, if you tune into that, which I try not to do. I, I generally try and avoid all channels to be honest with you. But I was just curious, how do you see things unfolding on a global scale at the moment I.

Jeffery:
That’s a beautiful question. And uh, and yeah, I don’t watch things either. In fact, I, I, I sometimes tell myself the story that I’m so uninformed, it’s irresponsible. And yet, uh, ignorance is bliss. Uh, now, and yet ignorance. Now, you know, I have moved away. I live on a little farm, you know, I’ve got my own water source. I’ve got orchards and gardens and animals and, and chickens and horses and cows and sheep. And so I am somewhat off the grid. Now that’s, you know, that’s not. Necessarily all true. ’cause I come to work every day and I’m smack d in the entertainment industry, and I get information, but I don’t watch the news.

And I also realize, you know, okay, what story am I being fed and, uh, where I’m at? And, and where, where it’s come to is just, just trusting this, you know, like literally tuning in

Guy:
Yeah.

Jeffery:
to my own vibration, to my heart to source, if you will. And without judgment of anyone else’s journey or anyone else’s, you know, opinion. Just, uh, checking into my own truth, my own journey, my own gauge, and, uh, and following that. And that’s, you know, that’s where I’ve, I’ve found peace and power and progress for myself is, is in really trusting my inner knowing. Trusting those feelings, which for me, feelings are the voice of spirit

Guy:
Hmm.

Jeffery:
and uh, and leaning into that. Leaning into that.

Guy:
I get it. And you know what’s coming to me as you you’re sharing is like, because you’re looking through the lens of, I guess, certain experiences that many people just. Ponder on and think what else is out there. You know, it, it’s fascinating ’cause I’ve been, I think I’m up to nearly 400 podcast episodes and there’s been quite a few near death

Jeffery:
Hmm.

Guy:
in that. And it feels like everybody’s looking outside of themselves for, to see what’s, what’s happening when we’re, when

Jeffery:
Right.

Guy:
within. But, you know. How has your, I guess, journey evolved since that experience? Like, how do you look at life these days then and, and with all the chaos and things that are going on through that lens, you know, purpose, divine love.

Jeffery:
Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of division, um, particularly where I’m at, you know, in the United States and, and gosh, we’ve had shootings and, and, and all kinds of violent, uh, things going on here. And yet I, I see this playing out in interesting way. I don’t necessarily feel like things are falling apart. I feel like they may be falling into place. Uh, I do not like violence. Um, I’m a oneness guy. I’m one that wants peace, that wants unity, that wants acceptance, you know, no matter what your opinion is. And, um, and yet as it falls apart, I feel like it is coming together. In other words, a, a bulb when you plant it in the ground, in the soil, and we do that this time of year where I’m at, and the fall, you go out and put bulbs.

And that that bulb has to come completely apart. You know, it, it literally goes inside out to, to grow and bloom. And I feel like we may be in that process. I feel like we may be literally coming apart and, uh, and then the collective conscious will make a choice. You know, things will somehow become neutralized and we’ll make a choice of how we move forward together rather than so segmented and apart. Um, so I am, I am not, uh, I’m, I’m not a doomsday guy. I am very optimistic. I feel that people at their core are good, and I know that love will prevail. Yeah. Love is the most powerful force in the universe, and it will bring humanity together at some point. And, uh, I feel like we’re gonna move forward in a much more powerful way.

Guy:
Hmm. You know, I, I remember hearing you say once, um, about, uh, out of body experience and, and you said, what about an in-body experience?

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
that sat with me when I heard that. ’cause I thought, wow, isn’t that the truth? That we, we’ve got this temple. We’ve, we’ve got this divine vehicle, this being that is allowing us to experience the gift of life, yet we. We don’t stop, like the pace of life is so fast, it’s so hectic, and, and so, like you say, driven, you know, how, what have you found over the years? Like how do you, how does one turn that around to really get it, to really start to back to that without having to have a near death experience or a, you know, an, an awakening per se to really start to love ourselves unconditionally for who we are and, and,

Jeffery:
It is an interesting question guy and I, uh, you know, of course I have a cheat sheet. I had a profound near death experience, out of body experience, and, and yes, one does not need that to have an awakening. However, I don’t know if we get there without an awakening of some kind, be it mystical, be it spiritual. That seems to be the catalyst. For people to go within. Um, I was contemplating this the other day. There’s, there’s like three things that really, you know, that really open people up and one is death, whether that’s their own near death experience or the death of people we really love that we’re really close to, that seems to be a, a catalyst for, for growth, if you will.

Also, illness, you know, someone gets sick, they, they get a dis-ease and they, and they, you know, suddenly their health is not at its, you know, top level and that can bring people deeper. Or there’s this third thing which is like betrayal. Betrayal of a friend of a, of a spouse, of of, of you know, someone close to you. And that seems to be a bit of an undoing for people as well. And yet, how does one get there without an awakening? I don’t know if you do now, you know, certainly there’s all these modalities, there’s, you know, there’s all kinds of meditations and yoga and processes and practices and spiritual practices that can bring one within, that can, you know, connect us to, to source if you will.

Um, and yet they might be practices until a true awakening takes place. And that can come in everything from a near death experience or the tragic loss of loved ones. Or you might be sitting watching a sunrise on a rock somewhere. And then suddenly it clicks. It’s like, wow, I, I am that. I, I am that sunrise. I am that rock. I am that light and that warmth. And, uh, if there was a pattern to it, guy, if, if there was a way like, here’s your, here’s your, you know, here’s your eight steps to go through, um, we could bottle it up and sell it. However, I think it’s an individual journey and, uh, how the individual comes to that is as unique and profound as our individual lives are.

So it’s, it’s a, it’s a beautiful question. Uh, it’s one of those questions where I, I kind of scratch my head and say, boy, I don’t know. I don’t know. And, and my awakening began with the near death experience, the outof body experience. But it certainly progressed. It’s certainly grown and progressed. And I met this. Beautiful point in my life, gray haired and a grandfather where I, I, I don’t know if I know anything. I mean, it’s funny, my, my book, my book is entitled Knowing, and now it’s like, gosh, I don’t know if I know anything and yet I have this comfort or this peace in not knowing. It’s like, well, maybe I don’t know.

Or maybe the more I think I know, the more I realize I don’t know. And, uh, it’s a void that has become exciting and inspiring and uh, I don’t know if comfortable’s the word, but I’m at peace with it. I’m at peace.

Guy:
Well

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
place to be, isn’t it

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
I, I, I, it’s funny, I wonder if we will ever know really, you know, like this, you know, as I’m getting older, it feels like, yeah, I realize I don’t know anything. know, like, especially as the, the ego or the identity dismantles more and more, you know, personality

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
What were you like before the accident? What, what was any of the, the spiritual inquiry on the radar at that time in your life?

Jeffery:
It, it, it was, but in different ways. Now, if I go back to my childhood, you know, if I go back to me as a little boy, I was quite spiritual. You know, I, I grew up on the farm. I remember being out in the fields under the dark sky and looking at the stars and just marveling, like, wow. I felt so small, and yet I felt so magnificent. It’s like I am that I, and, and there’s so much more than me in this field if I go back that far. But as life progressed, there was all that. Um. Uh, pressure competition, you know, you better get the grade and make the team and get the girl and, you know, and, and I became a very, um, driven, uh, young man, uh, driven.

I was going to make the grade and make the team and get the girl and get the house and get the car and have the job. And, and, and I seemed to let my ego get wrapped up in what I had. And, um, I don’t know that I was ever greedy. And I don’t know that I was ever arrogant, but I was very competitive. I was gonna beat the other person. I was gonna get the account, I was going to land the job. And that all probably comes from, um, you know, I mean, I was a division one football player. It was all competition. It was all the game, the score, and who won. And that, that was true right up until the accident. And the accident. I was a young man. I was only 33 years old.

I was, I had started my own marketing firm. I have always worked in the creative realms and uh, you know, I was building a business. I was building a life. We had just built our home and, and were, you know, starting a family. It’s interesting to talk to you ’cause I was where you are. I mean, I had two young children and a beautiful wife, and I had a business that was thriving and, and I was working very hard. There’s that interesting balance and, uh, for me it was, it was the traditional things of being a father, which meant I was a provider. You know, I was a protector. I, I, I, you know, and I let my ego get wrapped up into my worth being what I provided or what I brought home and. That was never my worth. I was certainly never treated that way, but that was the story I had told myself about it.

And when the accident happened, when all of that went away, you know, my physicality, my, and my ego, and my physical body and my ability to do whatever I wanted to with the body. Um, you know, I mean the, the car crash and many may know the story, but it, it crushed both of my legs. I I, my left leg was amputated above the knee. My right leg is, is all pinned together. There’s six pins and a plate in it. Holding it together now, and I do experience pain with that. Uh, my back was damaged to when my vertebrae were cracked, and they’re now deteriorating, and, and I’m experiencing all the back pain that comes with age and injury. My shoulder was all torn out.

My arm was nearly torn off. My rib cage was damaged, my lungs were collapsed. The seatbelt cut through me and, and, and, and ruptured all my midsection. It was a horrible automobile accident. But the worst part, as you’re well aware, because we’ve talked about this guy as my, my wife and my youngest son were killed instantly in the accident. And so what changed in such a drastic moment was I got really, really clear about what mattered, you know, what was important. I mean, suddenly the job, the car, the credentials, the accolades. None of that mattered. You know, my wife was gone, my son was gone, and I was crippled. If you, you know, I mean, I, gosh, I was in a wheelchair for a long time and, and I was landed with raising my oldest son who was only seven at the time, um, as a single father in a wheelchair.

Now, I eventually learned to walk. I was fit with a prosthetic limb. I mean, I really, that, that drive that came from my adolescence and young adulthood very much kicked in. And yet my heart was open. Uh, as part of the near-death experience. Not only had I lost half the family, which really, uh, I don’t know if there were words for how that changed me. I mean, I realized that every day was a gift. I might not get tomorrow. So what am I doing in those relationships and how am I being to, to really seize those precious sacred moments? Um, that changed me. But I also had a brush with what I call God. I mean, as I left my body and was in those other realms and had the near-death experience, I was embraced by unconditional love.

And that changed me too, because the, before the accident, I would probably classify myself as religious. You know, I was doing it right. I was in church in the pew, I was doing it right. And uh, and what I experienced in my near death experience was. Love. There was no judgment. There was no accolades for right or wrong. There was simply unconditional love, love without conditions. And that changed me too. That opened me up in ways that I would never be the same. And, um, I experienced people differently. I, uh, when I was out of the body, I mean, my, my body was laying on a gurney and they, it, it took, you know, it took a whole team of doctors and it took almost six months and 18 surgeries to put me back together.

But in those early moments when I was literally outta the body, like my body was lifeless, but my soul was very much alive, I could experience the people around me. I could feel them and I could see them, and I was, I, I knew everything about them. Yet there was no judgment. There was this profound sense of love. And, uh, it shifted me. So there was a big difference between the Jeff before the accident and then after the accident. But the reintegration, you know, coming back into the body and surviving and then going back to work and building a life, um, I, I, I was homesick. Like, well, where’s all that love? I felt on the other side, where’s all that consciousness that my soul experienced being outside of my body?

And, um, you know, it didn’t, it, it wasn’t there every day. And integration was a challenge as well. That’s a very long answer to, to what is not a simple question. I mean, the question you ask is so deep and, um, yeah, it changed me. And so I see things differently and I experience things differently and perhaps that’s why I, I’m so optimistic about the world. It’s because we are divine beings and there is an end, there is an end plan, if you will. It simply lies upon our choices. What choices will we make individually and how will that affect the people around us? And how will that ripper out into our communities and into our countries and into our hemispheres?

And, uh, we have no idea how powerful we are as human beings. We’re far greater than human beings. We’re being human, but we are divine enlightened creators, beings of light, eternal, and yet we’re having this experience, the human experience, and it is full of choices. What choices will we make?

Guy:
Wow. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing Ha that, that is interesting as you share that, it, it just brings up so much for me, being a, a, a father of two young children, you know, it, it actually sat with me for days, um, before you came on, you know, knowing because it’s, it’s like, wow, I just, know, but, but it also makes me truly try and treasure them in every

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
know? And it’s so easy. It’s like, as, as somebody who’s had an awakening, I was sharing with you off air and kind of feel like I’ve had the, the cheat sheet, if you like, to a degree. my pain was

Jeffery:
Hmm.

Guy:
grade, slowly suffering over years kind of feeling that was just escalating, you know? And it’s like, is this very, very different? But, but I still grapple with the dance of, uh, of being present and at peace to being driven and exploring. You know, I see the impact that work has at our events and retreats that we do with people and,

Jeffery:
Yeah,

Guy:
help them. And, but then as family, like it’s all like, oh my God, will I ever, will I ever really know what to do, you know, the end of the day, but just do my best. Uh,

Jeffery:
yeah, yeah. Uh, the beautiful thing guy is you’re doing it, you’re doing something

Guy:
yeah.

Jeffery:
and, and yeah, you’re doing your best. You’re giving it an excellent, an excellent, you’re taking bold action even in doing the podcast and especially in your events and when you bring people together. So I, I champion the work you’re doing and, and, and I, I think all of us say, well, gosh, what can I do? One person, but one person can make such a big difference And, and you are. So I’m just like sending you a big zoom pat on the back here

Guy:
I,

Jeffery:
for, uh, for the work you are doing. ’cause you’re doing something about it.

Guy:
that. That means a lot, uh, coming from you, Jeffrey. Um, one thing that was coming into mind was when you had those experiences, you know, when you were at the hospital and you, you spoke about out of boarding connection, like, I know it’s probably indescribable, but how real was it compared to experience when, because all we know is our three dimensional reality through our, our five senses at the end of the day. Right.

Jeffery:
Yeah. Yes. And, and it, it’s interesting that you ask because for me, now being out of the body and ha having those connections, experiencing that oneness, that was real, that was far more real than, than, than being here and now. And this was the challenge in integrating. It’s like, wow, there was such clarity, there was such peace, there was such love being out of the body and, and coming back into it. This feels like the foggy, weird dream state where being out of it was crystal clear. And yet I’ve processed that for years now. The accident was 29 years ago. I mean, it’s almost been three decades. My, my young son who passed would be, gosh, he’d be 32 years old, you know? No, he would be 31 years old. I mean, a grown man.

So, so much time has passed and I’ve, I’ve processed all this, and there was a great deal of that time. It was like, wow, it was wonderful to be out of the body. It was wonderful to have that clarity. It was wonderful to have that connection and feel such love. And truly it was. However, now it’s like, well, what’s it like to be in the body? You, you mentioned this like, wow, but we’re in the body. I chose this. I chose to come and have the human experience and to, to see what it was truly like to feel the pain, uh, physical and emotional, the heartbreak, the loss, the grief, all, you know, all these things. And so now in my older age, it’s like, what a gift to have had that experience if my soul is eternal.

And if out of the body there isn’t so much strife, well then this life is the thing that builds muscle. This is what brings strength and character to the soul, is the things that we experience. And we chose it. We chose to come and be human, to have the experience and experience the grief. And yet the grief seems to counteract the joy. You know, I mean, the, the depths of sorrow that I’ve experienced have simply created reservoirs for me to experience greater joy. And I’ve come to another interesting conclusion too, and that is the deep grief, the grief that I have felt may be the most magnificent form of love there is.

Guy:
Wow.

Jeffery:
I mean, we, we grieve because we love. We hurt because of our love and, and when we love big, we grieve big. When people get sick or they pass or these things happen. And so I’m in this space now, which might be different than it was 10 years ago or 20 years ago, or obviously 30 years ago, where perhaps our experience here is all love. Even the challenges, maybe those things or those people that that really, you know, push my buttons. They may be the biggest gift I’ve ever had because that’s where my soul expands hands.

Guy:
Mm gosh. Why? What do you think then? The purpose of it all is in terms of the soul and coming here and not remembering. You know, it’s like, it’s like, let’s erase the memory, let’s throw it in this playpen and, and see what happens kind of thing.

Jeffery:
Yeah, we must, we must have been out of our minds, perhaps. And the purpose, I mean, I, here’s what I, the purpose of life is to learn. It’s simply to learn. And we learn from our experiences. I mean, we could talk about it and we could theorize about it, but we’ll never know the lesson unless we experience it. Experience to me, is the only true teacher. And so it’s really a perfect playpen, if you will. Where we come, we forget our eternal light, our eternal nature. We forget that we are literally manifestations of source and we come down here and bump around into each other and we have our opinions and we get angry and we play well.

They’re wrong and we’re right, and therefore we, we go to war over it. And perhaps the purpose is to stop it, you know, to learn what works, to learn to overcome the differences and the emotions of those judgments, and to truly, uh, unify and be one as, as humankind. And yeah, that’s a big challenging game to play, given all the different opinions and all the different cultures. However, I feel we’re far more alike as children of the divine than we will ever be separate based on our beliefs or our cultures or our feelings. And if we could step into love,

Guy:
Hmm.

Jeffery:
you know, if we truly could step into a place of acceptance and love, it may just ripple out in a way that, um. That changes the, the world, perhaps Heaven’s right here, if we choose to create it,

Guy:
Well that’s the thing, isn’t it? It’s fascinating as you share with, um. Coming in is that I think about environments and environments that

Jeffery:
hmm.

Guy:
exposed to and what we’re in. I, my belief is that it’s, it’s our default is to be loving, caring, compassionate, and kind. It’s, it’s actually innate in us, know? And, you know, the, the deception and the lies and the challenges, it almost, it feels like they get programmed into us as we go through life. And yet when we bring people together, we kind of dismantle that and we see the best of humanity in a group of people. When I, when I put my children in the right environments, I see them thrive and nurture, you know, and grow. And then it’s like, it’s like, wow, surely we can set up environments for us. More as, as a humanity and people to, to really start to, to get it, you know, where we naturally

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
then to, to become that person as opposed to go in there kicking and scream and thinking that we’ve already got it all solved.

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
know what I mean?

Jeffery:
Yes, yes. I, I do, I do know what you mean because, you know, I bring groups together here and gosh, I’ve worked with indigenous cultures and, and, and, and very diverse, um, opinions. I don’t get really political here. Um, however, it’s so divided, even politically and religiously and all these things we do. And what I’ve found is key for me is to listen, to listen and learn without judgments, because many will have a different opinion than I do. And the beauty perhaps is not surrounding myself with people that are all the same, you know, to literally, gosh, let’s go talk to this guy who has a different experience, who has a different life, who has a different culture, who has different belief systems.

And let me simply listen without judgment and find the common ground. Find the common ground that can bring us together rather than separating us apart. I, I feel that most of humanity really does want the same thing. You know, we, we, we love our, we love our children. We, we love our families. We, we want communities that support and thrive together and, uh. Let’s lean into that instead of our differences, and perhaps things would shift. I’m not pretending it’s easy. It’s not like you can wave a wand and all that goes away. But if I’m open and if I’m willing to listen and to learn without judgments, I, uh, I find a piece that Wow. It, it, it, it, it goes to love.

It’s like, wow, you, you want the same things I want, we’re just telling different stories about how to get them.

Guy:
Yeah. It’s a big word judgment, isn’t it? It’s something we’ve, we

Jeffery:
I,

Guy:
conditioned are very good at.

Jeffery:
yeah. Yeah, we do. And we, we judge what we don’t understand. You know what, what We don’t comprehend it, it brings up fear, and then, and then we have judgment around the fear. And I, I, I feel like my life has brought up so many situations where. There’s been true fear and I feel the judgment come up and now I’m able to kind of step in and say, okay, those are the feelings. Let me listen and let me learn. And perhaps there’s far more common ground than I realized in what we truly want at the core.

Guy:
After those experiences that you’ve, you’ve had and obviously the healing journey you’ve been on. What, what are the guiding principles this day? ’cause you, you speak of your, your live at peace. Do you, do you, have you been living from a place of surrender and truly been able to allow things to unfold? Like how do you get to choice points and make decisions and knowing that where they’re coming from or they coming from, you know, the heart and the soul and, you know, from my great, or coming from the head, the ego, the judgments.

Jeffery:
Yeah, you, you ask such beautiful questions, guy, and, and I don’t have it all figured out. You know, things happen in my life and I get mad as hell. It’s like, oh, you know, how could they, how could they possibly, what were they thinking? You, you know, I mean, I, I, I experience all of that and, uh, I do attempt to ask myself the question of what would love do? I’ve, I’ve got adult children now. I mean, I’ve got grown men. And, um, you know, sometimes what love would do, I mean, it might be to kick their butt and straighten ’em out, you know, I mean, it could, it could be that way, but asking the question, and, and I’ve also learned, let’s respond and not just react, you know, because we can become victims in reaction.

Like, oh, this happened and therefore I react and that hurt my feelings and that broke my heart. And that, you know, we can react to it or we can respond and respond. Maybe take a minute to breathe and ask those questions. What would love do? What serves the highest good in this situation? I, um, boy, the, the native elders around me would say, well, we look at what, what will affect seven generations. Moving forward. That’s how we make decisions, is what’s gonna affect seven generations moving forward. I, I find so much wisdom in the ancient ways, and, uh, I do ask those questions, but no, I’m, I’m no one’s guru. I haven’t figured it all out. I’ve had some profound experiences. They’ve given me profound insights, and maybe it’s as simple as that, just taking a breath, responding rather than reacting and asking that question, what would love do and what serves the highest good for all parties, even if it’s my enemy, right?

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah, no, totally, totally. I wanted ask you as well about your healing journey and over the years, you know, from, you know, when you first came home after the hospital

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
to, to life and getting on with it and, you know, um, what did, what did you find helpful? Through those periods of times, were there different modalities? Was there connection of people support? Like what? What have been different things that have stood out for you on your journey that might inspire others?

Jeffery:
Yeah. Well, number one is I had a motivation. I mean, my, my son, my oldest son survived the accident. So there was a reason there that, I mean, he was, I was gonna survive for my son. And that was, that was motivation to heal, um, many modalities. I had interesting experiences in the hospital and, and bless these nurses. There was a woman and, uh, she came in at one point and, and she had a personal conversation with me. I was still very sick. I. And um, it was the first time I heard the word shaman. She recognized, she said, you, you have left your body, you’ve gone to the other worlds and come back. And I wondered how she knew that.

’cause I really wasn’t even that vocal. I was very ill, but she continued to be my nurse and was my ostomy nurse. And she would come in and say, may I just. Do some work on you Now, at the time, I had no idea. I thought, is she gonna take blood? Is she gonna poke me with more needles? But she would put her hands on my head and then she would work on my foot. Of course, I just had the one leg, but now I’m very well aware. She was doing reiki, she was doing energy work. And even though I didn’t realize what it was at the time, I do now, in fact, based on that, I studied, became a reiki master, because I experienced what it felt like when she did that. It, it was incredible.

So that was a beautiful modality. I have found, um, power, peace in simple things like rocks, stones, you know, I mean, I, I, crystals, I, you know, I have different. Types of crystals in my house. I will set them up, I’ll feel the energy. And I’m not a crystal expert, but I’ll go into a, a, a crystal or rock shop and I’ll, I’ll pick something up and I’ll say, wow, that feels good in my hand. This feels like it would assist my healing physically. And it might be a different stone that feels like this may assist my healing emotionally. And now I’ll even pick up stones on the trail outside. It might just be a dark brown rock over there and it’s rough. But I feel that the stones hold energy.

They hold truth. And I remember reading some biblical verses in the Old Testament about the stones held the testament of, and I thought, boy, the stones hold the truth. So those are strange. What energy modalities, alternative modalities, I have become very holistic. I, I don’t take painkillers at all. I use herbs. I use natural holistic medicines that has been very useful and very helpful to me. Um, movement, you know, call it Qigong. I mean, we’re, we’re almost talking physical, but we are in the physical move. Your body get, get the body moving. And I don’t move very well. I mean, I, you know, I, I, I’m, I’m old and broken up and, and yet if I keep moving, I always say motion is lotion.

And here’s something I found very helpful and my, my nieces and nephews would tell you about this when I was still in a wheelchair and I was so broken. I mean, I was so emotionally distraught. We would put on music and we would dance. We would dance. I mean, and you know, I’m crying but my, my little nieces and nephews, ’cause I was staying at my brother’s house and my son was involved. Spencer was there as well. But we would dance. I have found that so helpful. And all cultures dance. It’s something in the ancient wisdom of movement. So rocks, energy, work, dancing and movement. And music. Music. I mean, we, we have drum circles here and every culture drums as well. Uh, you know, whether it’s Nordic or Celtic or uh, Asia, you know, we’re all drumming.

We’re all drumming. And uh, we get together and people bring hoop drums or Jim Bay drums or. Any kind of drum to keep time to. And it’s interesting to watch ’cause people don’t even know how to drum. They might show up and they’ve never played a drum, but somehow someone starts a beat and then people begin to join in. And it sounds like utter chaos, you know, for about three minutes. But somewhere there’s this magic synchrony that, you know, synchronicity that happens all of a sudden there’s a beat and people are not playing all the same, but there’s a vibration, there’s an energy to it. And that has been very healing also.

And, and whatever word you want to use, meditation, prayer, I mean, I, I call it a b, C. Always be connected. Just reach out to. Whatever that is for you, that higher power, God, the universe, consciousness, source, light. Even, even if one is a non-believer, like reach out to something bigger than I am, even if it’s the sun or the moon or something. For me, it is a divine creator. It, it is God. I, I, I, you know, pray, you know, ask, communicate. Listen. My prayers have become much different. I used to say eloquent prayers, but after the accident, I, I learned to listen. Just shut my mouth and listen. And maybe the only appropriate words to speak are thank you for the experience, for life, for what I’m learning, for the nudges or the impressions that come in.

And, uh, that has been very helpful. One last one. Do something for somebody else. I mean, when I was in it, I, and I was in so much pain physically, emotionally, the grief, the torture, the, the, the, the trauma. If I could do something for someone else, that was the best pain reliever I could ever experience. I felt good when I could do something for someone else, even if it was just a phone call. That’s a long answer again to your questions, but your questions are so good. Your questions are so good. I, this is, this is, I, I love, I love a conversation like this. Thank you.

Guy:
Thank you. No, I love it. It’s funny, like it got me reflected on certain things. ’cause being a, a welshman used to grew up playing rugby and drinking beer and stuff

Jeffery:
Bye.

Guy:
it, it was culturally ingrained in me, very hard to explore. I guess alternative or different things initially, you know, when you’re speaking about rocks

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
and, crystals, I’m like, that’s, that’s brilliant because it, you’re not let, there’s no, the personality’s not getting in the way. You’re just actually feeling into a resonance and, and exploring what comes naturally to you. It’s, it is like leaning into the creative side, isn’t it? Instead of the,

Jeffery:
Right.

Guy:
the

Jeffery:
Yeah. It truly is. It truly is. And, and yet I think, I think the athleticism being in the body, rugby, I, I played rugby one day

Guy:
Or Didier.

Jeffery:
and I did, I did, I was in college and they had, they, they needed some extra guys. That’s a man’s sport. I, I mean, I, I, I thought, no, I’m putting the helmet and pads back on. That rugby was rough, but I loved it. But the physicality of that too, of the comradery of team and, and, you know, locking arms and getting shoulders together and whether that’s a scrum or whatever it is, blocking, blocking for each other in life is, is a, a beautiful thing. And, uh, I, uh, I, I and I, I’m actually Welsh by, by my, my, my DNA is Nordic.

It’s all Norwegian and Scottish and Welsh. And, um, you know, it doesn’t matter where you come from, you’re still, there’s still native ancient wisdom. And, you know, I, I suppose as men, we love to compete. That’s why we play the games, you know? But I just wish we could go have a rugby match. And not go to war or not try to win or beat, you know? I mean, if we could have a winner and a loser and then hug and shake hands and move on, uh, that would be, that would be the way to resolve things.

Guy:
the interesting values actually of rugby because it’s a very, like you say, aggressive sport. It’s, it’s

Jeffery:
Hmm.

Guy:
physical. I mean, I’m glad I stopped playing at a younger age ’cause I don’t know what I, my state, my body would be in right now. But no matter

Jeffery:
Right,

Guy:
on the rugby field, you’d get into 50 calfs. There’d be all sorts of dirty shenanigans going on. And when the referee didn’t see, you’d always sit in the clubhouse afterwards with the other team

Jeffery:
right,

Guy:
a beer and the guy you might be sitting next to is the one that give you the black eye. You,

Jeffery:
right.

Guy:
but you, you know,

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
you’d connecting that way is fascinating. Fascinating. But, um, it’s a couple of other things I wanted to ask you. lost my train of thought here. What was it?

Jeffery:
We got onto rugby and we, uh,

Guy:
Okay. Got completely sideswipe as well. But,

Jeffery:
right, right.

Guy:
pulling it back around then with, oh, that’s, that’s what I want. That was coming in about identity. That’s right. So when you go through that process, it’s, I so often see the, the stories becoming the identity of the person and then we kind of end up in that, if that makes sense.

Jeffery:
Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
What did you do to, to navigate through all of that? To, to come out and be able to be at peace with everything. ’cause it doesn’t have to be a grief, it could be an illness, couldn’t it? It could be so many things.

Jeffery:
I. Right. It could be so many things. And, um, you know, I I, I may still have an ego, but what I, what I realize now is I see the difference. I’ve even used that term in our conversation. I’ll say, well, but the stories I’m telling myself, you know, ’cause we tell ourself stories, um, but releasing all the ideas and that, that happened for me quite quickly and drastically because I prided myself on being athletic. I prided myself on my ability to provide, I prided myself on, you know, um, gosh, the, the material things. Well, I’ve got a good house and I’ve got a good car and I prided myself on the relationships and I’ve got this lovely wife who adores me and I’ve got these children who respect me. And, and suddenly that was all gone.

I mean, I was in a wheelchair and I, I eventually got back to work, but everything, everything was shattered that I thought was me. And by letting that go and, and actually feeling as if it was taken away, and that’s where I was a victim while I was taken away. Uh, no. It, I, I, I got to let it go and I had to come to that where I could release that and, and let it be. But I’ve, I’ve done beautiful processes and, um, you know, there’s groups here and there’s, uh, a new group that I’m working with, and it’s referred to as the, the, the impact ripple, but where we can take all those things that we think are us, the clothes, the hair, the looks, whatever, and put ’em, put ’em to the side and realize that I’m not those things.

I am the one that’s looking at those things, you know, really going deeper into consciousness and almost embracing it as that innocent child when none of that mattered. You know, and, and people could call it inner child work or, or shadow work or, you know, but, but releasing those things that I thought were me, but realizing none of them was me. I wasn’t the athlete, I wasn’t the house or the car or the relationship or my spouse or the marriage, or I saw those things transition away and it provided an opportunity for me to take a really hard look at who am I? What is my inner strength, not my outer strength? What is my inner wealth, not my possessions?

You know, what is my connection to source, not my relationship? And I learned a lot in that. Um, it’s something everyone could do. You know, let’s put all that stuff that we think is us in, in, in a bag over here and really get into the essence of who I am. And I, I use those words so conscious, you know, consciously. I mean, I am those, those are such great and powerful words. And, um, as I’ve leaned into that, I’ve realized I am love and I am wisdom. And I am, I am power when I stand in my power, when I get in that spirit place. And, um, and therefore, none of the external stuff really matters. It’s necessary. We all gotta pay the bills.

I mean, that’s the challenge of this life. You know, we could, we could go sit in the cave and pray all day, but, you know, as fathers and children and, and, and obligations, and I, I use that word consciously too, it’s an, I mean, we, we want to take care of things. Um, and yet it’s not who you are. It’s what you do.

Guy:
Right.

Jeffery:
You know, that’s what you do. And yet who you are certainly guides that, you know, I mean, we’ve chosen to make an honest living. We’ve chosen to at least pursue things that bring us joy. You know, we’ve, we’ve. We’ve chosen to, uh, to provide and be honest in what we, you know, what we do. And, and these are, these are all choices in the mechanics of this life. And yet we are more than that. We are more than that. We are eternal beings having a human experience and learning at every turn

Guy:
Yeah.

Jeffery:
if we’re open to it.

Guy:
Yeah.

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
Absolutely. Again, that’s something I’m always grappling with. ’cause you’re, you’re right. It’s like I, I have to pay the bills. I have a family. We’ve got young children, you know, and, and my mind always goes to, well, how can I bring this, this, this kind of heart and soul aspects into the business I’m creating, into the infrastructure? How can I let it weave through and ripple through in, in different ways opposed to this fight and this force and the way we kind of condition? You must work harder. You must work longer hours. You must to do these things to

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
you know, and, um, but one of the challenging things, I, I do find, I, I witness a lot with people, not so much in my own life anymore, but is having space and time to actually just breathe and stop and slow down and, and

Jeffery:
Yeah,

Guy:
of, you know, if, if we, it kind of comes back to where we started off at the beginning. If we dialed into. You know, the, the 3D reality of, of, you know, the world can feel like a really scary place. And then I’m in fight or flight. And if I’m in fight or flight, I’m not even giving myself permission to just start to actually feel into myself.

Jeffery:
I, I, I love that and I hear that there is a reality here. You know, we can talk and many would say woo woo concepts, uh. There is a reality to it. This is one thing I’ve, I’ve done guy, and I’ve found it effective, and I, and I, I give myself 10 minutes a day. 10 minutes. It, it’s, it, you know, it may not seem like much, and sometimes I can take 20 or 30 minutes, but if I can just take 10 minutes to be by myself, quiet and listen. And, and that’s often when I will ask that powerful question. What can I do for someone else today? And boy, the ideas just flow in, you know, and, and, and, and it, it, it, it can be as simple as call your mother. You know, you haven’t talked to your mom in five days, but do that, you know, act upon those impressions.

Take 10 minutes, act upon the impressions you get. And I’ve just found the universe is kind, it whispers truth to my soul. It whispers truth into my heart. And I do, um, I do get answers, especially when I ask what can I do for someone else? And, uh, and it brings me joy. It bring, it brings me joy now with young children and families. What can I do for someone else? It might be, you know, I, I just might pick my wife up some flowers on my way home, or I just might spend that extra time with my child and really be present, you know, get down on the floor and play with them. Um, tho you know, if there’s one thing I’ve learned and you lived this, and you, the, the little things are the big things.

Um, you know, my, my boys are all grown and they’re all taller and bigger than I am, and I look up to them. And the one thing I will always cherish, and the one thing I would encourage anyone with children, get down on the floor and play with them. I mean, play with them. It’s good for my soul. And now that I’ve got this little grandchild, oh my goodness, you know, if I can just get done on the floor and he’s all in, you know, he’s very enthused about trains and he’s, you know, we played Thomas the Tank Engine the other day for nearly 40 minutes. But what a joy. And, uh, you know, when, when masters, like Jesus said, become as a little child, I, that’s not to be childish. It’s to be childlike. But there’s nothing that brings me closer to heaven than when I can get down on the floor with a little, little, you know, a little a child and play trains or tell stories or.

Imagine, and, and you know, our, our whole pastime might be a stick or an ant on the ground, but that’s the awe and wonder of life when all the stressful things, um, that can go away for a minute. And we can just be present with our children and let them know they’re loved. Let them know they are loved. That’s, that’s what matters. That’s what matters.

Guy:
Yeah. I love it. Amen to that. We, we are actually going through a phase where we do hide and seek every night after dinner.

Jeffery:
Oh, I love it. I love

Guy:
is

Jeffery:
it.

Guy:
fun. You know, we just, we’ll just do 30 minutes and we’ll play, and we’re coming up with different creative ways and I’m carrying my son and trying to hide it with him in the closet, and he, he absolutely loves it. No, it’s beautiful. It’s magic. I, I, yeah. I would never have seen it in front of me before being a dad. You know, it’s, it’s like, it’s something that’s

Jeffery:
Yeah.

Guy:
you know, just to wrap,

Jeffery:
You’ll always cherish that. You’ll always cherish that guy. You will always cherish that. You’ll be my age. And you’ll be saying, remember when? Yeah,

Guy:
I know, I know. Um, just to, as we wrap up the podcast, Jeffrey, I, you know, what would your message be to anyone listening to this? ’cause there’d be a lot of listeners listening to this, and they’re probably in a space where they’re curious, inquiring about life. They might be in some struggles, it might be in pain, they might be grieving. I, I, I, I’m not sure. what would, what would kind of the wrap up be for, for anyone listening to this today?

Jeffery:
yeah. Well, that it’s a choice. You know? Choose joy. Do things that bring you joy and realize that we have a choice in life. And I, I may have already said it. Wow. Play with your children, play with your grandchildren. I mean, if we can teach and show and model to the next generation that they are loved and that they matter and that they are love, literally, that they are love, I think that’s where it shifts. That’s where the world begins to shift. And we have happy, healthy young people that are coming up as happy, healthy adults that know their worth. They know their value, they know their love, and that’s what will bring us all together as one.

Guy:
Beautiful. The moment you stopped it rolled over the one hour. It’s been an hour. It’s like time has truly stood still for me in this podcast over the last hour. Jeffrey, I just, um, thank you, thank you for, you know, making yourself available and, and helping bring these messages out there for all of us. Um, again,

Jeffery:
Oh,

Guy:
beautiful. Thank you so much.

Jeffery:
it’s an honor. It’s an honor guy. It truly is, and I love the work you do and anything I can do to support you, you just holler. Okay,

Guy:
Thank you, Jeffrey.

Jeffery:
beautiful.