#59 My awesome guests this week are Chris and Belinda Kay. If ever there was a hero’s journey, these guys have been on it!
They have big hearts and even bigger amounts of courage that is infectious. This is an extremely inspiring podcast from a couples perspective that ‘do the work’. With a background in law enforcement, Chris had been suffering from depression and PTSD. On the flip-side, Belinda had joined Let It In Academy (the very first time I ran it).. She was learning all the things I teach from meditation, neuroscience of change, energy centers… she was even the first person to receive a group intention experiment (listen to Lynne Mctaggart’s interview here).
As you can imagine, this stuff is hard to explain at the best of times! What unfolds is an incredible transformation, what they did and what they continue to do daily.. Enjoy!
Guy: Beautiful. We are live. Chris, Belinda, welcome to Member Spotlight.
Belinda: Thank you. Very exited to be here.
Chris: Thank you.
Guy: So my first question, and I’m going to start with you Belinda and today I thought I’d actually work backwards. Now, if you could say to where you are today, because you’ve been on the journey with me right from the very start when we started Let it In.
Guy: Which has been over 12 months.
Belinda: It has.
Guy: And if you could look back upon the Belinda of 12 months ago or just before when you reached out to join Let it In. How much of a change do you think there’s been in that time for yourself personally?
Belinda: Well, I wouldn’t be sitting here talking to you on a Facebook Live, that’s for sure. I was talking to Hannah about it last night, if you had asked me to do this when I first started, I would have absolutely freaked out. I would have said no. And then if you’d made me do it, I would have spent the whole weekend stressing. I would have made you tell me what you were going to ask me so I could plan and prepare. And I just would have done anything I could to try and make it perfect.
Belinda: Whereas now, I just don’t even care. Yep. Low going, answer the questions, talk about whatever feels right, so it’s just so completely different. Like I started this to help with my stress levels. Because I was told my stress levels were making me sick. And yeah, I just really relaxed, so much less need to control everything. And just like to go with it. And just let things that would have in the past really, really bothered me. I would have spent ages ruminating over them or thinking about what was going to happen, or planning for a thousand contingencies. Now I just kind of avoid it.
Guy: Amazing. And how freeing does that feel? To be able to let that stuff go? Because that’s the day to day stuff?
Guy: That can happen consistently.
Belinda: Yeah, it was continuous. It was absolutely continuous. And I remember when I was first told that I should start meditating as a way to control my stress levels, I thought to myself, I can’t … you may as well ask me to stop breathing is ask me to stop thinking. It’s going to be impossible for me to stop thinking. But it hasn’t been, it’s been a gradual thing but it’s so freeing, because that takes up so much mental energy.
Belinda: And the vast majority of it is a complete waste. Those things don’t happen or what you think is going to happen doesn’t come to pass or you know, it just didn’t need to be done. And it was so tiring.
Guy: I can imagine. Amazing. Amazing. And what about you Chris? You’ve been now with us … when did you join? Six months ago? Seven months ago? Eight months ago?
Chris: Yeah, it was about, I think it was the end of August. For me. So, I suppose for me, I had a full mental breakdown. Of work. And yeah, I didn’t know where I was going. Honestly didn’t know where I was going. And it was just that Belinda had been doing your work. She handed me…she basically said, get in start meditating. I had no idea what meditating was. I suppose I was hesitant because I didn’t want it to bring up things that I was just happily had buried away and didn’t realize that those were the things that were dragging me down. And one of the major factors of why I had the breakdown.
Chris: I started off on the Headspace app and was meditating regularly. And I actually found that it started to help and I took up yoga as well so the in classes I found were good. And that was good. If I hadn’t of learned the meditating and then done the [inaudible 00:04:17], I would have just been laying in [inaudible 00:04:18] poses, thinking about all the other shit going on in my head. Where learning to meditate, you learn to go with, so you’re meditating when you’re in those poses.
Chris: And then a little bit further forward, I pulled Belinda aside, and I’d seen the changes in her. And there were changes I didn’t like.
Guy: Elaborate a little Chris.
Chris: Speak your truth. I actually probably didn’t work that out until I started doing your work. Once I started doing the work, I had a lot of watching one of your videos. And I’m sitting there going oh shit, yeah. Talk your truth. Okay. That’s what happened two months, three months ago, whatever it was. Because yeah, I was just being me at the time. Bad habits. Just all those learned habits that you do. I can’t think of anything specific. She could probably tell you. But I got called out many times. Why do you keep doing this? Why are you going to do that? Why do you do this? I was defensive. I hated it. I didn’t like it. But then, the more and more, once I joined your group and realized, become that watcher, the meta cognition, and that’s a big thing that’s really resonated with me is to watch what you do. That I was like oh shit, I have all these learned behaviors. And a lot of Belinda’s stress would have been caused by me by those bad behaviors.
Chris: So I think …
Guy: But we can settle for that as well and accept it then to be normal can’t we?
Belinda: Yeah. And that’s what had happened. I kind of just settled and realized and accepted that that was the way it was going to be and I wasn’t a person that spoke up about what I didn’t want to do. I kind of pushed it down and then got resentful and all those sorts of things about it, without actually speaking about it.
Belinda: But that…so that was the change in me. And not just at home. At work as well. Speaking up when I wasn’t happy about something instead of just pushing it down and letting it ride. And that kind of forced it, yeah.
Belinda: So just as a small example I suppose, Chris used to spend Sunday night wincing about having to go to work Monday. And he dragged us all down on a Sunday night. Because he spent the whole night about how he had to go to work in the morning, so yeah. I just said, why are you doing this? You’re wasting your Sunday night by complaining about tomorrow. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow and just enjoy tonight. So yeah, that was a really simple thing that I kind of called him on that.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. One of the things that came up and it came up in the Camden workshop when we were all there and it’s come up several times since, and I’d really like to inject your guys opinion on this is because there’s normally one out of two of the relationships come to my workshop and then by the end of it, there’s almost a bit of … there’s a lot of fear. Resistance and terror as well because it’s like, great. If I’m going to go on this journey and my partner’s not on board with me or thinks I’m losing the plot slowly, how do I do this? I know this information but then how do I apply it in my life? I’ve got children, I’ve got a husband, or whatever it might be. The reasons.
Guy: Like, how did you find that? And what would your advice be to other couples? On your journey?
Belinda: My advice would absolutely be to live it. Don’t tell them what to do, don’t tell them how they should live, and that’s with your partner and your children. And anyone else in your family really. You can’t go around saying you have to meditate, it’s going to make you feel amazing. But if you do the work, make the changes, and you live it, people will see that you’re changing and if people are ready to find out what it is, then they’ll ask you or they’ll notice, if they know they’ll go, okay yep. But if they don’t know then they might ask you and say, what have you been doing, you’re looking great or whatever. So, yeah.
Belinda: My advice … and it’s really hard. It is really, really hard. When you’re in a relationship, you’re locked in this kind of co thing so when you start to change, they feel threatened. As much as you’re threatened by your own certainty, they’re threatened by your change. So it is really, really hard and you’ve just gotta turn up and keep moving. And just live it, don’t try to tell them that the way they’re living is not right. You know, if you get someone’s back up and make them defensive, you’ll never change them. They’ll never change. They have to see it and understand it for themselves.
Guy: It’s only our perception of what’s right anyway. At the end of the day. And what about for you Chris?
Chris: I totally agree with the way Belinda’s put it. And I suppose you can use that whole analogy, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t always make it drink. If the horse is thirsty, he’ll have a drink. If the horse doesn’t want the water, they won’t. So we need to see…so that’s what I saw. I saw those changes in Belinda. And I suppose the big things for her was Belinda wasn’t coming home cranky. Belinda wasn’t coming home going I hate my job. They’re all idiots. She does that still sometimes but that’s alright.
Belinda: Everybody does.
Chris: Everyone does that at times. But you can just see the huge change in her. And one of the big things I saw was she wasn’t getting sick as much. She was actually going to work and coming home but she was refreshed. So, and that for me was the big thing. Because I know…when she took on your work and the meditation, she was told that she’d have to give up her job because of the stress levels. So I saw those changes.
Chris: And then, like I know, we were like this. She was going uphill and I’m going downhill. And we were getting further and further apart. There were times that our relationship was struggling as well. And I needed to see, and I did see what she was doing was really helping her. It came to that point in my development that I was like I need this help as well.
Chris: So, and I suppose … one of the big wow moments for me and [inaudible 00:11:16], one of the big wow moments for me, was I’d been doing yoga for a month and that was cool, that was good, that was settling me down. I did one of Matt Omar’s workshops, I walked out of there and I just went this stuff is mad. I want to get into this meditation shit. This is game changing business. And like I’ll tell you now. I’ve been meditating absolutely regular, once to twice a day since I started doing your program.
Chris: Not too many days go that I don’t meditate.
Guy: Amazing. It’s actually trying to get people to get rid of …break down all the belief systems that are going on self consciously. There’s a lot going on without even, the analytical mind kicking into place and to get to the point where you trust it enough to sit in that process and start to follow it. And as a couple, if you’re on board together because then you can really feed off each other and keep inspiring each other as well as then leveraging the community within Let it In and so forth and get some real momentum.
Guy: It’s just being able to make that switch, isn’t it? The saying that popped into my head Chris and I think about this, especially for us males, would you rather be right or happy? And quite often we’re trying to prove ourselves right. But ultimately, at the end of the day, if we let all that go and just make decisions that are going to allow us to find that space and find that place of happiness, then huge shifts can start to happen.
Chris: I was just going to add further to that. As you said, do we want to be happy or right and especially for us guys and there’s a lot of girls out there too. Ego. Ego is a huge thing. So to be right, that’s our ego ruling us. But if we want to be happy, we need to let ego go. And that’s what I’ve … probably only noticed that this year. That ego is up here and I just need to bring it down, so I think that’s the important thing. I love that. I want to be happy. Don’t necessarily need to be right all the time.
Guy: That’s my motto. As long as I’m happy, I’m good with it. I don’t care if I’m right or wrong anymore. Another thing that occurs, again you guys have embraced the work, and again I refer to you Belinda as well because you’ve seen my journey the last 12 months going full circle as well. Getting all the way to the point where we completed our first retreat which was at the beginning of January. And I’m intrigued as well for you Chris, because for somebody that didn’t meditate or didn’t even have any connections to this work, to be open enough, to look at this work, experience Matt work, the sound healer. Then come to, join Let It In where you could say could seem a little bit wacky at first because we even get to the point of doing these energy centers and group intentions, then of course you guys come to the retreat and finally we’re able to embrace what we’ve been harping on about in this three day bubble. You Chris find yourself in a group intention at the end of it as well. This huge amount of energy moving.
Guy: I don’t even know what the question is but I’m trying to break down people’s beliefs around this stuff already. How would you explain it? Or what does it mean to you to go from not even knowing this work is out there to going to fully embodying the three days and what’s your relationship, how has it changed you, how has it changed your thought about this work? Where do you stand with it all?
Chris: For me it’s just surrender. I know we talk a lot about surrender. So I’ve just surrendered into the work but to realize that there’s so much more out there. I think what’s happened is, I was walking around for all these years just with my blinkers on, narrow minded, not looking forward to the next day but looking forward to another day and just going along there but didn’t realize, didn’t have the p…you know what I mean.
Chris: Yes, vision to see what else is out there. But not even open to it. Not open to the different things out in the world. It’s funny, I remember many years ago, probably would have been eight or nine years ago, we used to have this guy come into our office where I work and he would talk about that he’s a Raki healer and he’d come in and he’d talk and he’d do the breathing and all that sort of thing. And I was a bit like, who the bloody hell is this idiot? And so that was just … this is just rubbish.
Chris: But whereas now, I suppose experience, but you gotta go to those experiences and you gotta be open to the experience to be able to accept it. Like yeah, you can go to the experience and you can experience it but if you’re not open to it and surrender to the work, you won’t understand it.
Guy: Totally. Were you nervous when you were about to receive the intention? Do you want to walk us through how you felt and what happened? ‘Cause I haven’t heard that from you either.
Chris: I was excited. I was so … when Petra walked over and grabbed my arm, I actually felt, I felt the energy from Petra, just the way she walked over and she just grabbed my arm and smiled at me and said come on. I was excited. I was like, and then I guess, that’s my word of the year. Excited. Yeah, I wasn’t nervous at all. I was … actually I felt blessed that I was chosen. I didn’t have any moment of unworthiness. I know other people have, they feel unworthy. I actually felt, I went with it. There’s a reason I’m being chosen. This is awesome. Thank you very much. I basically, when Petra grabbed me by the arm, I stood up right away. This is awesome. I’m actually getting a bit emotional now about it.
Chris: And then when we got into the circle, was like, how cool, looked who was there and it was so good Wendy was there because Wendy and Belinda have had such a good relationship and they finally met at the retreat and so it was good to have her there. It was awesome that Matt was there too but it could have been anyone if that makes sense. It was really good. It was really good. I suppose when I laid down and looked up, I haven’t really … I know I told you I had some neck problems, but when I actually laid down I was very uncomfortable and my neck was really sore at the time. I didn’t take my own pillow away, and didn’t do those sort of things that I normally do. But I laid down and I was really uncomfortable and I was thinking to myself, Matt ask Matt to give me a pillow. No, don’t be a pain. Just … so I just laid there.
Chris: And then the funny thing was, for probably, I’ve had … the last couple of weeks my neck’s been playing up again, for three weeks, close to four weeks I had no neck pain at all. I had a car accident four years ago where I had crushed nerve between C3 and C4 and I suffer neck pain on and off regularly depending on what I do and considering we drive up there and drive back, that would normally hurt me because just sitting in a car, but yeah I had four weeks of no pain. I’m talking no pain, no headaches, no anything. Probably three weeks after the retreat.
Guy: Amazing. Amazing. We need to get you back in the circle.
Chris: Just get me one.
Guy: But it’s interesting, right? To know that everyone, if they’re open enough and willing to step in and lean in or confront themselves and start learning how to work with this work and actually allow this energy to start flow, how much that energy can then start to influence somebody else and create certain amount of healing around it and affect it that way.
Guy: Because you mentioned something about the trauma as well when you left.
Chris: Yeah. That’s right. I did. My background with some of the issues. I’ve had PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, and depression. And the PTSD is probably one of the big things, I always felt like I led people in a situation where we all could have got killed and that’s the short story of it. And I’ve lived with that for probably ten years. And that’s been a part of the issues that I have. And then when we did the group intention, when I received, there was a time I felt I was underwater and I felt peace, I felt calm. And then all of the sudden, I felt I was underwater, I was drowning, I couldn’t breathe and then I just felt my whole body stiffen and then it was like I having a fit like how some people have epileptic fits and that’s what I felt like I was doing and like my neck went back and I was making gurgling noises and I was really mad. And then that problem, I don’t know how long that was. It could have been five seconds or thirty seconds. For me, time was irrelevant on what was happening.
Chris: But all of a sudden, when it was finished, I felt so calm and the first thing that went into my head was thank god, it was thank something else. The trauma has gone. It’s left your body. And do you know what? I feel so much better so it was just awesome.
Guy: It’s amazing how much information the body can hold but if we set up the right environment, and that’s what we do with the meditation practice everyday, right? We’re slowly allowing it to recalibrate itself and find a new homeostasis from all the stress and all the things that have occurred in our lives and the way it’s learned along the away. And those changes come in.
Guy: And what about you Belinda? After experiencing something, because it’s quite an intense emotional experience as well, and the one thing, myself, Matt and Petra worked on, is we grounded everyone back down in getting ready to embody our new self and stepping back into day to day life? How have you found that transition back and what do you think the differences have been?
Belinda: So I made the decision which was a very good one, to take that week after the retreat off work. And Chris was off as work because he was still on holiday. So we were able to just … there was a lot to kind of take in, so much had happened, so much to kind of think about and try to recalibrate, so I think if I’d gone straight back to work, straight into those stressful situations, I would have … it would have almost all gone out the window. But I was able to see it and write some stuff down and just work through it, which was really, really good. And everybody that we saw during that week, was like where have you guys been, you look amazing! You’re on top of the world! You’re floating around! We got a lot of comments that week about our energy which was interesting.
Belinda: But yeah, I think … I feel like we got a new reference point, I’ve got a new reference point. The environment, the place, the people, the group, everything sort of combined to bring this up and it was in one of the mediations in the retreat, it was the first time I’d ever felt really light in a meditation, like I was going to float away. I’ve always felt really heavy and I actually grabbed hold of the chair, because it felt like I was going to float up into the air like I was a giant helium balloon but yeah.
Belinda: Just to have some really new, different experiences. We couldn’t really stay up there forever with that high energy but I came back and I looked around and at some people are probably able to live like that so I’ve started to look at what do they do, just to, yeah ’cause as I’ve said it’s definitely given me a new reference point to this is where I want to be so then looking at some people who are basically are yoga teachers and going okay, they have that high energy nearly all the time so what do they do, what do they do that’s different to what I do and how can I start to incorporate some of that to see where I’m going and it’s energized us. We’ve got some big plans for the coming year to kind of change what we’re doing and move into helping young people understand this work and meditation and how it’s important to them. And it’s really … we’ve made some big steps in the last week or so. So yeah.
Belinda: Life changing. Absolutely life changing.
Chris: Absolutely life changing.
Guy: Well it changed my life too, and Matt’s and Petra’s. I’m not just saying those words for the sake of it. We’ve been doing this work a long time individually, and the sum of our collective selves coming together then allowed us to really create an even more amazing space than if it was just one part if that makes sense. And we walked away with our own breakthroughs and our own emotional things that have shifted. We were in that energy too just as much as everyone else. There’s no escaping it.
Guy: But I love what you said Belinda because it’s so important, once we start having new reference points, all of the sudden, we can start creating new normals for ourselves, and then we actually start to stop tolerating all the things that we have been settling for. Whatever subconscious belief is allowing us for that. And then as we shift that, we think well if that’s possible, what else is possible? And all of a sudden we become more curious, we become more joyful, we become more happy and we enjoy the journey and the [inaudible 00:27:13] and not waiting for it to get there before it then makes us happy. And it’s massive. It’s so important.
Belinda: Yeah. Definitely. And I was just thinking about it in my life, okay, what makes me feel light? What makes me feel like that? What makes me feel heavy an down. And I want to do more of those things that make me feel like I did at the retreat.
Guy: Yeah. Yeah. Couple of questions for the pair of you. Feel free whoever wants to answer first but for the new guys that are coming into Let It In, or for the people that might, because I’m going to turn this into a podcast as well, later on the track, and I get met …. what people don’t realize is I get met with a lot of resistance.
Guy: I get met with resistance at my workshops, like they love the idea of it, but the moment you have to start taking action, and start doing something differently, there’s huge resistance and I feel it all the time. And funny enough, on the Gold Course, I was met with a lot of resistance with some of the … but then of course you make a decision, you join Let It In and we’ve got the four week challenge at the moment, there’s a lot of new guys in here and people are going for it but I have no doubt they’re going to be meeting their resistance points too especially if they’re not even doing a video yet and so forth which I always encourage.
Guy: What would your advice be to those people who may be, that are right now going oh yeah, that’s me?
Belinda: Do you want me to start?
Chris: It doesn’t matter. I would say that you need to do it. The work that you’ve got in a four week program, if you just sit there and watch the videos and that’s all you do. You just jump on, you do your four weeks, you watch your videos, you are going to learn something. Are you going to change? Maybe. Not definitely but maybe. If you get in, you do your live, you get out of your comfort zone, you do something new one or two times a day, that’ll change. That’s going to change those pathways. You’ve got to make change in your life. So you, honestly, you need to get yourself out of the comfort zone. We put ourselves in a comfort zone and we just go along with life. And if we don’t get out of that comfort zone, we don’t do the lives, what are the blocks are, whether it’s I don’t like social media, or whether it’s I’m scared to get on there, you need to do it. I can’t state any more highly that that’s what you need to do. Getting through the work, make the changes.
Chris: Like this week, I think this week we’ve gotta do something we really love. Get and go do something you really love. Honestly. You gotta ring someone or contact someone you haven’t spoken to for a long time. Bloody go do it. It will make the changes. If you go, okay, I’m watching the videos, I’m doing all that, you’re only halfway there and halfway there just doesn’t cope. Doesn’t cut it.
Belinda: And I would say that it is hard and it’s meant to be hard and it’s not all going to be pretty. I talk about what makes feel light but in order to get to where we are, we’ve both individually and together had to go through a lot of hard work and you have a lot of realizations that make you feel really uncomfortable and might make you angry, or decisions you’ve made or things that you’ve done but you have to work through it. Just don’t give up just because it gets hard because that’s actually when you’re going to have the biggest break through and get the most out of it.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. And you guys … oh sorry. It broke up a little.
Belinda: I was going to say, every single one of those tasks is designed to help you. So, you know, make sure that you follow through and do it and it will change your life. If you want to change your life, that’s not an easy thing to do and you’ve just gotta, this will work, this will do it if you’re willing to commit to it. And give it everything.
Guy: And the question I just wanted to ask you guys as well, you guys have been through a helluva lot on your personal journeys. I know you experienced so much and had to really overcome certain elements to start to really appreciate, I just want people to appreciate where you’re at now and how far you’ve come. Now, what would your advice be to someone else that’s joined or is listening to this, that is currently up against it. They might be depressed. They might be … coming off a messy divorce or they might experience grief, or they might have experienced some kind of trauma or something. What would your advice be to them when they’re sitting there in that dark place right now?
Belinda: It won’t last forever would probably be my first piece of advice. It is more than possible to come out of it and it will make you a better and stronger person if you persevere and push through it. I think personally, to get to that place is actually really good because in my experience, it made me so much more open. Because I was there. This isn’t working and I have to do something else and that might mean something completely different to what I’ve done in the past. So I think actually being right at that place is … it’s not good, it doesn’t feel good at the time, but when you look back, you go well actually I knew that I had to make massive changes in my life. And yeah, that it will help you.
Belinda: But to you know, get professional support which is always out there and can help you as well if it gets to that, or at least have it on hand in case. ‘Cause sometimes, for me, it got worse before it got better. Because I had to make some big realizations in my life and come to some acceptance that I had caused some things that had happened. And that was really hard to deal with. So you might need a little extra support. Whether… maybe the group, which is amazing. The Facebook group is just amazing and maybe that will be enough for you but maybe you’ll need to get other support as well.
Chris: Well, for me I’m the same. I definitely need some … depression, anxiety, PTSD, fear… I think people need to realize, that it’s a shit go, it’s an honestly shit go, but believe you me and you don’t understand when you’re there, that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. Because I was ready to end it. That’s how far I was. I was ready, I won’t go into the specifics but I had enough. So I thought I was alone and everyone who’s in that situation feels exactly the same way. So as Belinda said, go get some professional help.
Chris: Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t done it on yoga, [inaudible 00:34:44], support from my wife alone, I’ve also been seeing a clinical psychologist along the way as well. So I’ve had that professional help so I would honestly say, put it all together … cat coming to say hi … all together, holistically, really look after yourself. And I suppose another thing for anyone that’s listening to it, to this, as I said, have a go, jump in, go get some advice as well. Go see a psychologist, have a chat.
Chris: But don’t keep shopping. I think that’s the problem. I think when people get to that stage, they shop. They go okay. I’ll have a go at this. I’ve done four weeks of Guy Lawrence’s … there’s a bit of interesting stuff there. Alright. I’m going to go do four weeks of something else. And four weeks of something else and four weeks of something else. And that’s all they’re gonna do is keep shopping. But honestly, realistically, pretty much everything we go through at yoga that Carly our yoga teacher is telling us is the same as what you’re teaching.
Chris: And we’re lucky we got it from both angles, but it’s the same message. It’s just change your thinking. Change your thought process. Get rid of that shit that’s been buried away. Piss that off so you’re not worrying about it anymore. You’re not thinking about it and it doesn’t crack those feelings. But at the end of the day, they’re all talking the same language. That’s the way I feel. That’s my own personal opinion.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. And last question for you guys. And it’s more probably for people who listen to this on the podcast later, they’re listening to this, they’ve been listening to my podcast let’s say three months. That’s what I normally get, people just binge on my podcast and I’m [inaudible 00:36:37] and they go oh, sitting on that fence, what would you say to them?
Belinda: I would say you’ve got nothing to lose. I really would. Like it doesn’t take up that much of your time, like anything, the more you put into it, the more you’ll get out of it but in reality it’s easy to fit in if you make it a priority and it will … you do it right and it will change your life. Like if you’re listening to your podcast and obviously they’re people that are interested in furthering their development and changing their life, you might be amazed at what happens.
Chris: Further to that, I would just tell you that Guy’s actually in this…he’s not in this to make money, Guy’s in this because he’s got a message and he wants as many people to hear the message that he’s got. And he’s just true, down to earth, leads by his heart. If anyone … I suppose I had thoughts of that in the initial … but if anyone looks and thinks oh it’s just another money grabbing set up. Far, far from it. This is a guy that’s done the work himself and he’s just got a message to share. So get in and have a go.
Guy: Thank you for your kind words guys. And is there anything else you’d like to add to anything before we wrap it up today?
Belinda: No I think we’ve pretty much covered everything. I just really encourage everyone that joins the group to get to the retreat because ….
Belinda: It really consolidates what you’ve learned, you get so much more out of it because you understand the work and yeah. I just think make it happen.
Guy: Yeah. I would second that. Biasedly but yes. 100 percent.
Guy: I would. And it’s … people are booking in. It’s looking fantastic. August the 22nd is going to be another ripping three days and I can’t wait till it comes.
Chris: That’s awesome. That doesn’t work out for us unfortunately. We’d love to go.
Guy: That’s alright. Yeah. Well look, thank you so much for today guys, I really appreciate it. And sharing so openly and being a part of it and actually being there for other people in the group and inspiring them too, it’s just been amazing. I honestly feel privileged to be a part of it and part of the journey as well. So thank you guys.
Chris: No, no thank you. We appreciate it.
Belinda: Thank you. It’s been great.
Guy: Thank you.
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