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Rev. Bill McDonald: [00:00:00] When you believe this is the reality and therefore you believe in birth, you believe in death. You believe in pain and suffering, you believe in heaven, you believe in hell. ’cause that’s all part of the belief package. Because you have an highness. You identify with your personal history. You’re separate from the source, the definition of peace, the lack of war, it’s peace. No lack of a war of violence is not peace right now. The war is up for the heart and the soul and the spirit of mankind. And it starts with each of us.

Guy: The episode you’re about to watch has been republished. My podcast channel reaches a lot more people now and there’s certain episodes that have slipped under the radar and I wanted to bring them up for your attention ’cause I truly feel they are worth listening to. So please be sure, let me know where you think of this episode in the comments below.

And of course, let’s continue to connect. Let me know where you are in the world and where you’re listening and tuning in from. Uh, I love reading it. It’s amazing, isn’t it, that we can do [00:01:00] this. And the other thing I wanna say as well is find out where we are. If you wanna put your spiritual boots on and come and join us at one of our five day retreats or one day events around the world, links are below as well. If you wanna find out more what we’re up to. Much love from me. Enjoy.

Guy: Reverend Bill McDonald, welcome back to the podcast. We’re an honor to have you back on the show, sir.

Rev. Bill McDonald: Well, I, I, I’m, I’m amazed at number one, you remembered me, number two, uh, finding out that I’m this talkative Irish guy that, uh, you know, maybe you didn’t wanna invite back ’cause you run enough hours of the day.

But, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s my pleasure to be here. And I, I, by the way. I’ve been checking out some of your other interviews, and actually I’m watching what you’re doing with your, your own events, your tours and stuff. I’m impressed. Um, oh, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. You’re being followed by Americans. We’re watching you. We’re watching you.

Guy: I, it’s good to know. You never know who’s on the, on the other end, half the time, you know, and, um, [00:02:00] I just listen to my calling, follow my heart and see where it leads me really, and go with it. And, uh, and it’s been a pure joy to be honest. You, and, and I have to say as well, when you spoke about, you know, the last podcast, it got a, a really beautiful response.

People messaged me, lent in, and, and I haven’t listened to it back recently, so I can’t remember the crux of it, but I always remember it felt like really got to the heart of what, what matters. And it’s beautiful. And, and for me, that’s a big part of everything. ’cause we can get so caught up in the, the small stuff in life and forget what actually matters. Right.

Rev. Bill McDonald: And especially now, I mean, I, I know about in Australia, but Americans are so jittery right now about 20, 24. We got a nasty political stuff going on with the election. I mean, [00:03:00] it’s, it’s almost like a revolution. I mean, philosophically it’s, they’re pulls apart. Uh, we we’re watching Israel and Gaza and now we’re, and Ukraine and Russia, but now we’re looking at today, uh, the war’s expanded a little bit because Americans and the British were, were bombing, uh, Yemen I think in, uh, Syria or something.

So it’s this thing’s getting very shaky worldwide. And so what I’m trying to get people is to. Focus on the light, on the love, because it really doesn’t matter what the news show’s saying. It doesn’t matter what’s really, what it apparently appears to be going on out there. If you are attuned to love, starting with yourself, loving yourself, and knowing yourself, that God resides within you and your enemy and your neighbor and your [00:04:00] friends, and we’re all one, and if you raise your own physical, spiritual, emotional vibration and frequency, believe it or not, that will help change the world.

It doesn’t take a lot of people, but it takes people with powerful energy. The lower energy is, you know, millions of people, billions of people. But if you have thousands of people with high frequency energy, you’re gonna change things. So that’s what, if nothing else you. People will keep their sanity.

’cause they’re not gonna focus on, don’t watch the news 2024 or any, any year. You can fill in after this. But don’t watch the news. If you can’t control it, you can’t do anything about it, then just focus on what you can, which is your own feelings, your own heart, helping your neighbors, helping your friends, helping strangers.

Because in my world, I walk around the neighborhood, there’s no [00:05:00] terrorists, nobody’s bombing me. Uh, nobody’s fighting. Uh, so in my world that I see right directly around me, I’m happy. It’s only when I turn on mass media, television, internet, et cetera. And you, so I tell people, you go on the internet, there’s beautiful things on there like your broadcast and like some really beautiful documentaries, and there’s beautiful music and there’s nice lectures. So it’s not the internet is good or bad, it’s what you choose. Mm-hmm. To watch. So that’s kinda like with all of life.

Guy: Yeah. No, beautiful. And on that topic then, what do you feel is happening with humanity right now? Do you feel that there is a raising consciousness? Vibration? There seems to be a lot. Talk around that. And do you feel that by us [00:06:00] recognizing the divinity within us and every other human and raising our own vibration, we are collectively moving that vibration quicker. And is there a tipping point?

Rev. Bill McDonald: Yeah, the tipping point and the uh, the prime movement. Uh, we’re not talking large numbers for the average person. They’re looking, Hey Bill, run, bill. What are you talking about? There’s good stuff. You talk. I had a guy that, a guy. Sent me a message the other day, you’re preaching love. Don’t you know it’s end of the world coming World War iii, you know, apocalypse, this, that, that, you know, the, and I’m going, not in my world.

No. I, I, I really do believe in the power of love. And if you wanna focus on the negative, you’ll have all the evidence in the world to support. Mm-hmm. It’ll support your opinion. If you think there’s ugliness, you will find ugliness everywhere. If you, it, it’s hate out there, there’s anger. You’ll find it, [00:07:00] and it starts right here.

People got wars and battles going on right here. There are angry at the other religion, at the other country, at the, at the enemy, at the other political party. Or the guy offended them in some way. You know, everybody’s offended. In America, everybody gets offended. I don’t know about Australia, but you say, oh my God, you, you know.

Anyway, so I, I try to avoid arguments. By not engaging. If somebody wants to lie and go on and I silently listen, doesn’t mean I’m approving. Also means I don’t care to engage with a fool. And if I was engaging, I’d be the, I’d be another fool. Engaging. Don’t wanna convert anybody, you know, whatever you believe.

If you’re happy, great. So, it’s an odd philosophy, but one that I’m at peace with and I found that when I’m out looking for, well, I’ll [00:08:00] tell you, well here’s what started then. I was in Calcutta, one of my trips to India. I think it was like 2004. I’ve been Calcutta and uh, and I was expecting this big beautiful city.

’cause I heard about all these old, I get there. I dunno if you’ve ever been to Calcutta, but it is. Slums. I mean, I mean, there’s, there’s people, homeless people. There’s garbage everywhere. There’s pollution in the air. The Ganji rivers comes through there and it’s just so thick with stuff in it, real stuff.

Sewage, wood, flowers, you name it. And people are defecating on the streets and, and it’s, there’s a smell. And I’m kind of walking around and I’m seeing all this. And then I see this, this holy man. I only see that now after the fact. At the time I just thought he was a man. But his answer was like, no, this guy was into something.

’cause he is standing there in a corner and he’s smiling, he’s watching me kind of going, [00:09:00] you know, watching me complain to my friend. And, and he goes, what’s so, what’s so? And I go, wow. The smell, the rot, the poverty. And I go down the list of all the stuff and he goes, look down that street. You see that pile of garbage over there?

There’s a jasmine bush. Bush growing right next to it. He says, I focus on that and I feel the jasmine and I smell the flower. I don’t see anything else. I choose to see the jasmine. And then I was speechless, and I thought, hell, he is just, that’s my philosophy. Normally. It’s like, no, he’s kicking. Start me back on the right track.

But that’s really true. Whatever you see, you’ll see more of it’s you go, you go anywhere if your belief, when you show up, oh, the people, the people in America that are, they’re violent. They’re mean. That’s what you’ll see. Mm. People are friendly in Chicago. That’s what you’ll find. They’ll be [00:10:00] friendly. Go to Australia.

People will love you American. If that’s what you’ll find. If think they’ll hate you, whatever you think is your reality, you’ll create that. You will manifest. All that’s in your life and it’ll surround you. So if you’re all into the negative, meaning complaining, finding fault, looking for fault, uh, hating anger, you’re only gonna get more of it.

And then that just reinforces people’s belief. Like, I was right. Look at all this garbage going, I kind, Dave, oh, you got all this stuff going on in Israelis? They gotta, they have to wipe out these guys. They gotta smash all these guys. And I’m going, you can’t kill terrorists and get rid of ’em. You kill them.

Their brothers and their families, everybody else, they line up to replace ’em. You can’t do that. You have to find another way to change. So you change, you, [00:11:00] you change your own behavior. You fill your own cup with love. You let it spill over. It does two things. One, when you’re filled with love, then you see the humanity and the love.

Even if it’s only a speck at somebody, you will see it out there. Not, oh, these guys are animals, they’re terrorists, they’re animals. Look at all this. You know? And if they’re, if you think of them as animals, then there’s no compassion for them at all. And there’s no dialogue. Right. And sometimes you just, you can’t engage that kind of thinking either side into a conversation because it’s not a debate.

It’s a belief against a belief. So you approach it with, I give you love, become that jasmine flower. Everybody else sees garbage be that jasmine growing by the garbage. But the, the, the enlightened ones will see you, the others will sense you and, and, and figure it out eventually. [00:12:00] But it also just changes how you see these things and how they affect you.

’cause when you’re filled with love, e, even though that stuff’s going on. It, it doesn’t have that negative impact on you. Mm-hmm. It’s different now. Nobody likes to see people getting, you know, like in the news, you watch Gaza, people getting blown up and there’s crazy, crazy stuff going on and people, oh, look how terrible it is now.

And I’m thinking, no, we had, the last century, we had World War I, ugly man. There was people killed all over Europe and around the world. It was ugly. Millions and millions and millions. And then we had World War II where we dropped two atomic bombs on a city and killed everybody. You know, just massive amount.

We fire, bombed Tokyo killed over a hundred thousand people. We burned ’em alive. Men, women, and children. And then I’m looking, we killed, what, 6 million Jews? And, and, and, and the Russians killed a [00:13:00] bunch of Ukrainians or their own people, and I mean, millions and millions. There wasn’t a day, not one day, from 1939 to the end of World War II in 1945, not one day that less than a hundred thousand people got killed.

Not one day, less than a hundred thousand. And now we get upset because, you know, 10,000 here got killed, a hundred year got killed. It’s news. That is progression. That’s progress. That’s beautiful. Not that people are getting killed, but take a look at the numbers. You know? Now if there’s a shootout someplace, you know, and somebody shoots people up at a school and a bunch of people, it’s terrible, but it’s in the news for a week, and we talk about those four or five people that got shot, we couldn’t talk about the a hundred thousand plus a day or a million in some cases for a week.

So [00:14:00] progress, evolution. Spiritual growth on a world universal capacity. Yes, it’s changed, it’s been altered, and we are evolving at a higher rate, even though we got terrible wars, lots of hate, lots of anger. There’s no time in our history where we haven’t had that ever. I mean, it’s always been, but actually right now, I, I think it’s a miracle that I’m, I’m gonna be 78 years old here in a few weeks, 78 my entire lifetime.

I’ve never seen an atomic bomb dropped on a city when I was in the womb. A few months in the womb, we were blowing up cities in Japan with atomic bomb. So we’ve had the atomic bomb all my life, and yet, with all the [00:15:00] craziness out there, dictators. You know, North Korea, you name it, right? All these countries that got ’em, nobody’s dropped one.

I mean, in over 78, 79 years, no one’s dropped them on and everybody’s had the capacity and the ability to do it. I mean, Israel’s got ’em. Iraq’s got it. India, Pakistan, China, Russia, England, I mean, France. I mean, the list goes on. That’s a miracle. So instead of me moaning and groaning about all what’s going on, I look at that, I, I, I pick things.

I go, wow, that’s a miracle. We’re not dropping atomic bombs at anybody. There is no world war, but there’s no peace. I mean, peace is supposed, the definition of peace, the lack of a war, it’s peace. No lack of a war of violence is not peace [00:16:00] right now. The war. Is up for the heart and the soul and the spirit of mankind.

And it starts with each of us. Change us, we’ll change others. Why? Because you and I, when I look at you guy, uh, I look at you, I see me. If you look at me, you should see me. You should see yourself. I look at others, they’re just a reflection of me. It’s all me. So if I see everybody, uh, friends, foes, whatever they declared themselves to be, I see everybody as myself.

And since myself is I see myself and God is one, well then how can I get angry at anybody? I don’t have to like what people are doing. I don’t have to prove people misusing their free will, but. You’re not gonna drive me to be angry with anybody or hate anybody. Yeah. Defend, you know, if somebody [00:17:00] slaps me around, I’m, I’m gonna defend myself.

I’m, you know, I’m not crazy. But when, when we focus on ourselves and we fill our own cup with love, only then can we help fill someone else’s. So you got a lot of people out there right now that are trying to do good things, you know, that, I mean, there’s people out there. Absolutely.

Guy: Yeah. But, but here’s the thing, right?

And like, I, I’m. Yeah, I look like you mentioned you’re 78 years old, you’ve had a vast experience of life. You’re a reverend, I think, is it three near death experiences you’ve had? The three, I mean, dozens of mystical experiences, if I’m not mistaken. You know, I’ve had the, I guess, good fortune of actually experiencing an awakening about nine years ago, which really changed the trajectory, which led into having experiences beyond physical form.

And it really changed my perception. It allowed me to open my heart and to start to really lean [00:18:00] into the power of love. And I guess I do what I do because I wanna be a messenger of what’s possible within the human being and spirit. And I know that’s you. I mean, God, you, you know, you’ve been living and breathing it for so long.

But then I see that my old self. Of the younger man that was struggling, stuck, frustrated, focusing on the, the pains, the the things that are coming across through the news and get caught up in that soup of sadness, loneliness, depression, you know, which bubbles away as well. So there is a question in you somewhere.

’cause when I look upon the world now and see the amount of people that are there that where I was, and it’s, it’s like how do we just nudge ’em across? Because humanity can be so beautiful, so blissful, so supportive and caring and [00:19:00] lovesy neighbor to a much greater depth than what we are doing even though we’ve progressed, like you say, such a long way. Well here’s, here’s the thing,

Rev. Bill McDonald: there is, there is evil being done worldwide. There’s anger and fear, fear. That’s the big thing. Fear. You, fear the other, the guys. You fear poverty, you fear if somebody’s getting something, you’re not getting, uh, whatever. And it is actually not being balanced out by a billion here and a billion people here.

But this lower level of fear and anger and hate doesn’t carry the same frequency and energy that love does. So love and light, uh, one and the same. It’s god, God’s love, whatever you want. It’s a more powerful frequency. I’m talking about actual frequency. Frequency vibrating higher. [00:20:00] One great soul, somebody like Jesus or Krishna or Buddha or something like that.

Mm-hmm. Billion or 2 billion people the planet could be changed with, with one or two of those guys in the world. Now I’m thinking actually that around the world. Australia America, south America, Europe, India, wherever there are individuals out there. They could be householders, they could be married with children.

They work in a job. We don’t, we don’t know the depths of all these people, but there are people out there that I really feel that have evolved. They don’t have a million or subscribers on their channel, and they don’t have millions of followers. They may not have billions of dollars coming into ’em. Maybe nobody knows ’em, but a handful of people.

But when they meditate, and when they pray and when they love, they’re coming from such a vast reservoir of love and power [00:21:00] that the very foundations of this earth shake. So there are great saints and sages amongst us. There goes an angel, you know, un unknown does kind of thing, you know? So. I, and I think there are groups of people, you know, below that Buddha level.

I mean, there’s groups that are, you know, semi, you know, they’ve had awakening moments. And I think there’s a lot of people that have had awakening moments. You know, they’ve had a taste, which it’s like priming a water pump. You know, you put a little water in there. Mm. You could pump more, right? And it spurs those people on to meditate more, to do more.

And I found that anybody’s had a taste. What do they always try to do? Serve. It’s like I was a lifeguard once upon time. I was a professional lifeguard. And it’s like I can’t walk by a beach or a swimming pool at, whether [00:22:00] it’s in a hotel or wherever it’s at. And I. I’m watching the water, I’m always watching people.

It’s, you know, it’s ingrained in you once you get the training. You know, if I see something, you know, I’m gonna respond. And I, I have saved people actually, you know, off duty, not, you know, 30 years after being a lifeguard. So, and I think it’s that way spiritually for us. We’ve gotten a taste and, and you feel that love and you go, my god, my brothers, my sisters, they’re suffering.

They’re in pain. ’cause they believe in pain and they’re, they’re, they’ve invited the suffering ’cause they believe it. And uh, any kind of lecture to them is not gonna, it’s gonna fall flat. It, it’s like, well, I lost my child and, you know, the Israelis blew me. You know, I lost my family. You, you’re never gonna convince these people that, hey, it’s all delusion.

It’s no, it’s real to them and they’re suffering their pain. So, but love is [00:23:00] much greater and not. To not knock lectures at talks like this. ’cause they’re nice and they, they motivate people, but it’s your silent actions. It’s that bubbling of love within that will change them, not a lecture. Mm-hmm. In America, we call it, I know if they, they use this expression down there, down under, but we say, walk in the talk.

In other words, you know, are, are you doing what you’re saying? Are you living the life that you’re preaching? You know, and from the churches. Yeah. You, I live the life that you’re preaching. Right. Well, you know what? There’s that inner life and when that inner life is nurtured and fed. Developed it. How is it fed?

Meditation, prayer service, helping, providing, having empathy. All these things feed that energy changes the frequency. So I’m going [00:24:00] out. ’cause you say, what can you do? I, I’m right with you on this because I, we’re not blind to what’s happening to others. But you have to reach a point and say, how can I really help them?

How do, how can I really help them? And I tell people, you help them by helping you. And this is where some people don’t get it. When you perfect you, when you fill your tanks up with love, so they’re over abundant, they’re overflowing. You’ve changed others just by changing you, it’s. It’s, it’s all frequency.

In a math game, you bring your frequency rates up, you’re vibrating at a higher level. It affects others depending on how, how you’re vibrating. Some people with your broadcast, your podcast, there’s people that watch that though. You have, your broadcast has a certain frequency and vibration, right? So you attract those kind of people that need to hear that.

That’s one level, right? [00:25:00] You take people on trips and, and retreats and now you got hands on close. It’s, it’s, you create even a stronger vibration because they’re closer to the source. And then eventually you realize because people, they want my hands on stuff. I do hands on healing and I keep telling people, I said, ’cause they go, last week I got a message.

Can you do remote healing? And I’m going, there ain’t nothing remote. It’s all here. Don’t have to, there’s only one place, one moment, one time, one space. There’s nothing separate. Just by the fact that you think it’s remote, you know, it’s like I’m praying to God, like God is someplace else, right? It’s all here.

So I’m going out there, like I did this last week. I drove from Northern California where I live up by top, you know, Sacramento area. If you look on a map, they go all the way down to Southern California. It’s about four or 500. I went to actually 600 miles and then I, I did two. Oh [00:26:00] wow. I came back, I drove 15, let’s see, 12, 13, 1300 miles.

I drove left on a Saturday at one o’clock. I got one o’clock morning, started driving, and I got back the next day at eight o’clock and, uh, not tired, not drained. And I was doing hands-on healing and uh, and, and teaching and talking and lecturing. And I reached a point where five years ago if I’d done that.

I’ve been tired, I would’ve been drained because these people, you know, I’m giving, I’m giving, I’m giving, and I get drained. You know the feeling I’m talking about it. Hmm. You give, you’re a giver. It drains you and people will, it’s, I’ve been graced by now. When I give, it’s like I’m being recharged at a greater rate.

I give away, but I get more back. So I’m actually more energy powerful. I [00:27:00] dunno if a better term to use more energy, more Yeah. Efficient in the tank, whatever. It’s, it’s greater than when I start. So if I, I do hands-on with somebody, it’s actually greater. That wasn’t always the case. This is something that’s kind of going to a new area.

Guy: Is this something conscious that you welcomed in and been thinking about? Or is this something that’s just unconsciously been happening as you serve? You couldn’t plan

Rev. Bill McDonald: this. You, you can’t plan this guy. In fact, just me going out, talking and, and doing workshops, I dunno, since we, we’ve talked, here’s what’s happened since our last interview.

Uh, you know, COVID, my God, I couldn’t do nothing. I was, I was just doing zooms and uh, and recordings and, and videos and stuff. And then in 2020, what’s 20, 23? 2022, September, I go, this is enough of this COVID, I gotta get back out in the world again. Right. You know? And I had a dream. And in that dream I saw myself [00:28:00] giving workshops, classes, and doing, what’s the word, doing healing.

That’s the wrong thing because. That would imply that I’m healing, I’m teaching self-healing, so correct me, I don’t wanna label myself as a healer. ’cause people, oh, you healed me. I go, no, I didn’t. Your belief in my words healed you. Your belief in me healed you. But it’s, it’s God that’s the creator that healed you.

So, so I went out and after having this dream, I knew I had to go out and do this stuff. I had no clue, uh, book all these things. And I had no clue. So there was a town, Santa Cruz, which is about three hour drive from here. Beautiful beach town, bunch of hippies there, older hippies live in there. You know, that’s like my kind of people, I’ll go there.

So I rented a, a, a a, I guess it was a Buddhist temple or so it was some kind of, or Oriental Eastern religion building. And so I paid, paid for that. And then I [00:29:00] had to pay for, uh. Uh, insurance. I couldn’t believe I had to pay for insurance. Uh, for what? Anyway, I ended up with gas and everything. I was about $1,200 in debt.

My wife’s going, she goes, you’re driving three hours, right? Staying overnight, hotel driving three hours back, paying for rental, paying for insurers, paying for gas, spending 1500 bucks. So you give a free, free, quote, unquote free workshop on how to sell. Feel good luck on that. Well, as it turns out, I go and I do exactly that and I get there to Santa Cruzs.

I went to pay for the church. Somebody anonymously paid for it. Somebody anonymously paid for the insurance. Somebody paid, took care of my, my room, somebody gave me gas money, somebody else gave me some extra. Ended up, uh, I had extra money left, so I was able to go. To this town. I live in Elk Grove and I knew the people here weren’t gonna be [00:30:00] donating money or anything ’cause it was a bunch of old people were gonna come.

And I gave a free workshop here. I I rented a Methodist church and they brought all these busloads of, of people from the, they got these, um, rest homes where they got old people in there. They’re recovering, you know, they’re, they’re living there, senior citizens. And, and they, they said, they found out there was a free event.

All these homes around here, Hey, Reverend Bill’s giving a free event. And it was Christmas week, right? They, and they sent these little buses over with all people getting out wheelchairs and walkers. And, and I go, not one of ’em gonna, not one of ’em brought their purse. Nobody’s gonna donate this. I’m on my own on this, right?

But I had money left over from the other one. And so this is how this thing’s progressed from one event to another. Some events, people show up, I pay for the event, I get a little extra, it pays for the next event. It’s, I’ve been doing about. 30 or 40 events. And now I’m going around the world and I was in India this last, last January.

I [00:31:00] was in India doing this and I have managed to not lose a penny. I am. Wow. And I got a little extra money right now to pay for my journey to Europe. So I could do that. And I got feel when I, I finish there, I’ll have enough to fly back home. I’m hoping I got enough fly back home without having to go into debt.

So, but it doesn’t matter. I totally trust that what I’m doing, I’m supposed to do, even if I go in a hole. And I’m not a rich man. I’m living out a pension. I was a military veteran. I got wounded, I got a pension. I worked for the post office. So I got a couple small pensions coming in, you know, but I’ve learned something.

And I think I told you the story about that. When I, when I had these guys come over to my house right before COVID, I had all these guys coming from Silicon Valley, San Francisco, bay Area, Google, Facebook, Cisco, [00:32:00] uh, Microsoft. It was a couple of ’em that came, which is another whole story, how I asked them, how they found me, found my address, and they all go, we’re controlling the internet.

I mean, this guy went online, they had their staff look up my, my, my, my, uh, utilities, garbage bill. Uh, they had my address and I’m going, nothing, by the way, nothing sacred, nothing secret in the world. They can find you wherever you’re at. Anyway, so this guy, I don’t stop me if I told you the story here about this.

No, I don’t think so. This guy comes in there and he goes, sit. I got all these guys sitting in my front room on a Saturdays like. I didn’t advertise for these guys. They just show up on Saturday. And I got all these people here, right? They all wanna, they wanna copy my book, they want hear me talk. They got questions.

So this guy goes, Reverend Billy says, I’ve, uh, I’ve, I’ve seen your videos. I, I, I really like it, uh, uh, even saw yours, by the way. So, you know, so it was like my funny thing at, [00:33:00] and he says, I, I, I wanna, I’m gonna help you out. I’m gonna, I’m gonna make you, I’m gonna make you a success. I’m gonna help you do this.

And I go, it’s okay. I, I, I’m doing all right. He says, no, no, you don’t understand. I got $980 million. And he says, I’ll be worth over a billion dollars this summer, but in 10 years I should be 28 to $50 billion with all the stuff that went up. And Jesus. And I said, no, you don’t have what I have. And then he just kept talking.

And he goes, what do you mean? He says, I got nine sports cars. I got a, I got, I got a, a Maserati. And he goes through a list of all these cars. He is got, I got houses on three continents. I, if I go to, I have one here in San Francisco and he says, and I got one in India. I got one in New York and I got one in Paris and I got one in India.

It just kept going on and I kept saying, yeah, but you don’t have what I have. I keep waiting for this guy to stop and ask what I have. Right? And I, and I, and I, I’ve always had this, I wanted to say this to somebody, but never had the [00:34:00] opportunity. It was like I couldn’t have wrote it any better. If it was fiction, it couldn’t have been any better.

So finally he stops and says, what do you got that I don’t have? And I just paused with a little drama, right? And I look him in the eye and I said, enough. And he goes, I said, you’ll never have enough. And then I just ignored him, right? He was like, he was like, he was gonna gimme these all the money I wanted.

And I go, no, I just need enough to do what I’m doing. It’s just, I got enough, even though. I mean, he spends more than pocket money. I mean insurance for my, my old body yearly income. So this thing has evolved and is an evolving thing. So when I had that dream to go out and do this, I just started making it up.

I didn’t have a program. I did the first one. I, I love it. I, I don’t know where it’s going about. Just open my mouth and boom. And it’s changed. Every [00:35:00] one I’ve done has been different. The energy’s been greater. The healing’s been greater. ’cause I think we, I don’t know if we talked about it too, two. Well, I, I don’t, yeah, when I was talking to, I hadn’t gone through a lot, gone through.

I mean, the nose has been cut off three times. I’ve had 300 some stitches in the face, uh, in the last couple, two, three years. I mean, I’ve had cancers taken out of the right below my eyeballs. I’ve had ’em top of my head cut off, you know, and taken cancer out of there. I mean, you name it. I’ve been through all kinds of stuff and yet. Two or three weeks later, I looked just like this healed. And, uh, in fact, as I’m talking to you, I’m ready to look up here for a second. I if I, I, I show you some pictures here. Hang on a second here. Let’s go to, ‘

Guy: cause I was, I, I, I remember when you came on the last show you had, I think you had something just cut out, you know? That’s right. Wow. Look at that. Yeah. Wow.

Rev. Bill McDonald: Yeah. Kinda like fly, like [00:36:00] Frankenstein.

Guy: Wow.

Rev. Bill McDonald: So anyway, can’t even see this. What happened. So all this stuff was destroyed. And if you look pictures of me 20, 25 years ago, I’m older looking than I am now, than I was in my fifties. And I’ve attributed to what I’m doing now with these self-healing workshops.

Lemme explain those Self-healing workshops. I’m actually bringing people in and my first thing is I’m not a guru. I don’t want to even be a teacher. I’m sharing. I’m just sharing. Right? But I’m not looking for a following. I’m not looking for an organization, not looking for devotees members. Mm people to worship me.

None of the above. I come in if they don’t remember who I was, that’s okay. But if they remember what all I spoke [00:37:00] about, about the power of love and they apply it to self-healing, my job is done. And what, what I learned when I was a teenager in Hawaii, I had this Kona Kona priest, I mean the real deal. Big Ka, you know, the wine religion.

He taught this, he, he, I was like his apprentice. I was 18, he was in his sixties, and he goes, bill, so you wanna learn how to heal? I go, yeah, sure. You know, I’m not surfing right now. Why not? Right. You know? Yeah. Waves aren’t up anyway, so he says, first thing you gotta do is love yourself. And I’m 18 years old, listen to this.

I’m going, yeah, okay, fine. I, my, in my mind, I’m already on the surf. I’m out of there. I’m not listening. And you got, and you gotta forgive yourself and you gotta have gratitude. And he goes, this whole old stuff, old school Hawaiian stuff that I’m going, okay. [00:38:00] Years later, because I didn’t really appreciate that.

Years later I found great power in his words, his teachings. And that’s why I’m going back to Hawaii in about three weeks, going back to my roots. He’s dead, but I’m gonna pay homage to him anyway, just by him being there, uh, and uh, laying a flower someplace for him. But. In loving yourself. Like when my nose was cut off, this was rebuilt by my, by my shoulder.

Okay. Yeah. It’s like that’s a shoulder you’re looking at. Alright, so it looks great. My, yeah, it works great. Right? And, and trust me, I had it done at the, the Veterans Administration, the va, uh, they hack things off. They close wounds. It was the plastic surgeons. They go, we’re closing the wounds. I mean, they’re not trying to fix ’em.

Fancy. And then regardless of what they do, I just put my hands on my face, on the bandages and everything, and I just go, [00:39:00] I love my nose. I love the cancer because you’re supposed to love your enemies, right? I love the cancer. I, I love me. I love the pain, I love it all. I just give it love. And then three weeks or so looks like this.

I’ve had about 15 or 20 operations in the last three years. All in the face. Every one of ’em as bad as the one I just showed you there. Or worse. ’cause my wife wouldn’t let me take pictures of some of them. I mean, it was like, I posted a picture of myself about a week after I had the surgery. It was already starting to heal a week later on Facebook, and I got put in Facebook jail.

They said, they put a, my picture, they, they, they blacked it out and they had a stripe across it, you know, one corner, the other corner it says, it says violent and graphic photo. You know, watch it, your own wrist or something, right? And I’m going, that’s my face. They’re saying my face was graphic and, and violent.

Right? That’s how [00:40:00] bad it was. But at no time did I ever, ever say, why me, Lord, take it away. Heal me, God. I figured God knows what happened. I don’t have to tell him. I mean, if, if you gotta tell God what you need, then you have no faith. So I don’t do that. I accept my fate. I accept that everything that happens to me happens for purpose and a reason. And I’ll tell you what that purpose and reason is,

Guy: if you wanna know. Yeah, I do have a question though, but I was gonna just look your question and I saw that look. Go ahead. Yeah, I, I’m just intrigued what you’re doing in your workshops then. So are you just, like, are you just talking or are you actually doing practical, hard opening, love, healing work,

Rev. Bill McDonald: both things. First off, I come in, it’ll be three to four hours. The workshop, depending on the group, it’s about their [00:41:00] energy. I’m bringing them in and first thing I, I explained to ’em, uh, the teacher’s not out there. The guru’s not out there. The healer’s not out There you are. You are the teacher, you are the healer. You are the guru.

And I said, but like, but like all good things like a, a car. If you got a a nice car, what? The batteries dead. That nice car ain’t going anywhere. There’s no energy, right? Even if it’s got all the, it’s got steering wheel, tires engine. It’s not going anywhere. So what I do is I infuse my energy through my stories by making ’em laugh, by making ’em cry, by making ’em get inspired.

Sometimes just numb, minding dumb Irish stories. I get ’em just taking their mind away from analytical thought. I don’t want ’em to analyze. I want to give ’em a [00:42:00] lot of data to think about. I want ’em to become more. Childlike can open. And so my whole lecture process is to get ’em there and I’ll give examples of how I, I got healed and how this works.

Now that doesn’t work. But the idea is at the end of it, the last hour, I actually give hands on. And it’s not too heal them, although that they claim that happens, that I don’t accept it is for me to recharge their frequency, their energy, so they can heal them. The potentiality is there in all, all people and more so in people that are on this new age, uh, awoken route, whatever you wanna call it.

People see that there is energy, they believe in it, but energy healing is, is really what it’s all about. Mm-hmm. Nobody has ever healed unless they’ve bought [00:43:00] into being healed. If they go to a doctor, a doctor says they got six months to live and they believe and accept it, they got six months left to live and bulls that.

And if a doctor gives you a sugar pill and says, this is gonna cure what you got, guess what? That sugar pill will kill you. You, that, that’ll cure you, right? It’s like it didn’t have none but sugar. It’s all here. You, I’m not one of these guys. There, there’s two kinds of people in the world. There’s, if I see it, I’ll believe it.

I’m the guy though that if I believe it, I’ll see it. There’s a difference in how you look at life, right? So if you people come in and they open their hearts and minds, in fact that they showed up for this, that’s a good step. They’re, they’re open to something, they’re curious. And then it’s me for three hours working my butt off literally to, to get ’em to this point.

And so I give as many stories or or examples as I need to to get ’em there. But the whole [00:44:00] time. I’m sending in my heart frequent, my heart is vibrating with them. Mm-hmm. The love is going to them. And, uh, well, uh, a lot of miraculous things happen and I don’t wanna embarrass anybody that I’ve done this for, but a lot of things have happened.

I, I’ve had a lot of instantaneous healings and, uh, I, when I say I have, I mean, I’ve witnessed them and they’ve been told to me because to go back, I have to keep stopping myself. I’m not the healer. They are actually the sources, but they are connected vertically to that source. So my whole problem is people start to believe that I am the healer and they take themselves out of the equation.

And that’s not what I want because I, I, I want to teach them something. I’m not gonna be around, they can’t find somebody to do this for ’em all the time. So, so then I teach them. Once they get this energy and the frequency is [00:45:00] starting to evolve, see, there it is. Like, think about this. I’m a tuning fork vibrating in a certain frequency and I’m getting there tuning fork to vibrate with me.

You know, soul to soul. Okay, you, I think you can understand that example and sound vibrations, musical vibration. You go online, you’ll see there’s so many examples where it’s, it’s healing people. In fact, they shown 60 minutes, what I think they show in, in Australia, the new show, 60 Minutes. I know they got in America, uh, anyway, on, on our 60 minutes, they had a show where this guy used sound waves.

He tried out thousands of frequencies, but he found a frequency, this magic frequency that would actually, you know, with a tuning fork or a thing, you know, they could kill cancer cells, not other cells, just the cancer cells. Um, so vibration [00:46:00] energy is healing, but we are the tuning fork. We are the music, we’re it.

So I tell people, laugh, love, listen to music, eat well, serve others, smile all good for your frequencies. The diet definitely of, of people with a good vibration. Have all that. Yeah, you do it Anyway, so that’s what I’m doing And um, I was gonna get back to something else. What was I, what was I gonna get back to? I don’t know. I can’t, I honestly

Guy: can’t remember. I honestly can’t remember. Who cares? That’s right. Because yeah, we use sound at our, at our workshops and retreats as well. And it’s

Rev. Bill McDonald: even those, even those bowls, you know, people don’t understand the power of those Tibetan bowls. You know, flutes. Flutes, very good flutes, you know, and, uh, Indian instruments and even see drums, a different kind of vibration, a little different, but [00:47:00] these other frequency instruments.

Guy: Anyways, you know, bill. Yeah, I, I gotta say like, listen to, I listen to you now and I’m just like, oh, just gold mate. Like, you, you, you’re so free. You’re, so, you, you, like you say, you have complete faith, complete trust. You like, it’s like you just follow the scent, you know what I mean? The love scent. And you just keep going.

And, and with that 100% trust and support, knowing that you’re supported and you have enough in any given moment, your entire life continues to unfold in mysterious and magical ways that keep reinforcing the, the power that we are, that we have within us. All of us. And I, I just, and I know there’d be so many people listening to this like. If only I could do that. If only I had the courage to just start to, to let go and know, you know,

Rev. Bill McDonald: as, [00:48:00] as my, as some people that know me, they go, if you were in a circus, you’d be one of these trapeze artists. Never wor, never worked with Annette. ’cause that’s it. Uh, a few year, 2016, I had another dream 2016 said, go to Wales, go to England.

I go, what? What? I, I landed in Europe. I was gone 55 days. Never had nothing scheduled. But stuff happened when I was there and I was on the radio and I did some other stuff and I mean, you know, things happened. I didn’t even, and, but I always follow this vertical alignment with the source. It’s like, it’s not about me.

It’s not about what I want. I mean, you know who, what crazy person goes around the world. I just giving free workshops everywhere. I mean, that’s nuts. I mean, you know, a normal person wouldn’t do it. ’cause they wouldn’t wanna be out two or $3,000 at every event and do 30, 40 [00:49:00] events in a year. They’re broke.

Right? It’s like thought never occurs to me. It always says, uh, it’ll happen. It’ll happen. Like, I’m gonna go to Tokyo next year. It’ll happen. I’m gonna go to Australia next year. Somehow it’ll happen, uh, Singapore, I mean, I’m gonna, next year’s my Pacific, I I, I put a video up, co couple minute video saying right after I had that dream, I saying, I’m starting my, the first of a three year adventure.

I’m going out and I’m teaching people how to heal and I did blah, blah, blah. It’s just a, and I said, I’m going to, and I named all these places. I had no plan. I had no bookings. I had no tickets. I, next thing you know. Last January, boom, somebody paid for a trip for me to go to India. I was there a month doing this stuff and, and the east coast, I was in different states on the east coast, New York and down the seaboard and, and everywhere.

And same thing this year, and now I’m going to [00:50:00] Hawaii. That’s not, not in my hands. Some beautiful person is, is making that possible. Somebody is listening to their higher self. Somebody is vertically aligned and it’s not for me, it’s for the message. And so I always have to kind of go, yeah, wake God. It’s not you.

I mean not the greatest looking guy in words, you some dumb fat Irishman. But they’re going there for the message. And the message really is you are the healer. You are the guru, you are the teacher. You are love, you are one with the divine. You’re one with all. That’s, I don’t care what religion you are, I don’t try to convert anybody.

Hey, if you’re Muslim, I don’t care. You’re Buddhist, I don’t care. You’re Christian, you’re a Lutheran Baptist. I don’t care what you are. My question is, does it make you happy? Great. Do it. ’cause religion basically is a social thing. If your family’s all religion and you go with them, it’s the holidays. Don’t fight it, do it.

You know, [00:51:00] just keep loving your heart. It doesn’t matter what you practice on the outside, it’s, it’s what’s inside. And so my goal over the next couple years is to just fulfill this dream I had, which is to go till I’m 80, going on the road doing this stuff. And then after 80, then it’s gonna be more this kind of stuff.

You know, zoom and writing more books and maybe occasional. Public appearance. I don’t need the public appearances, but when I’m doing these things in person, you could, you could, you could, I can feel it. And people swear they feel it. The energies that are in the room. Um, this weekend in down Los Angeles area, I did this gentleman, and he’s a couple years older than me, real nice guy.

And he started crying when I was doing this energy thing with him. He was, I’m looking at him, scroll down his cheeks and stuff. [00:52:00] So he called me when I was driving back up north of California in the middle of the night. He goes, he goes, Reverend Billy. He says, I just wanna tell you why I was crying. And he basically said that, uh, he was seeing lightning coming between my forehead and his, there was lightning strikes, like static electricity and his spine was going crazy.

And he felt loved. He felt great love. But I’ve had people cancel their surgeries. Doctor says, you don’t need the surgery anymore. People’s backs are better. Uh, miracles. When I’m not the miracle performer, I’m a facilitator, a waiter, a bus driver, you know, whatever it is, I’m not the source. My job is to awaken you.

Meaning whoever’s watching this right, to waken you is watching this to waken you to the fact that you’re in charge. You create and manifest your own destiny. [00:53:00] You manifest your own health. You manifest your own healing. And when you accept the fact that everything in your life, you manifest it, don’t label it good, bad, different, it’s you just manifested.

It’s none of the, it’s not good or bad, it’s just what you manifested. Your job is to look for the gift. Now, that’s where I was going earlier. So why’d I go through all these surgeries? Why did all that stuff happen? Because I had to learn how to deal with pain. I had to learn how to heal, and I didn’t use any magic.

I used techniques and things that I have videos on people say, but I used techniques and things that will, uh, help the average person. I mean, they could do it themselves. I had three broken teeth a couple years ago. They were supposed to pull ’em out, root canal, something, I mean, just major stuff. Right?

After doing this three or four or five [00:54:00] days, I loving my teeth. I went in there and had two dentists waiting to do me. They didn’t pull my teeth. They didn’t do root canal, they didn’t do a crown molar. Wow. They were able to fix my three shattered teeth that had shards into the gum, into the, into the nerve rating. About 40 minutes, they were done. 40, 50 minutes, they were done. It’s like,

Guy: and they, but. Yeah, I was gonna say, but I guess the, the, the, the, the challenges for people, or the key is it’s not to fall back into the old self, is to really, really embrace that. Right? It,

Rev. Bill McDonald: it’s,

Guy: it’s hard for

Rev. Bill McDonald: people. They live in what they think the real world. Hmm. This if, if you’re living in this real world, ’cause I don’t think I live in this real world. I’m, I’m kind of really in my own little world. ’cause nobody looks at life like I do. Well maybe you, but nobody really looks at life like I do because to me it’s like, it’s, it’s not real. It’s uh, it’s not the [00:55:00] reality.

But when you believe this is the reality and therefore you believe in birth, you believe in death. You believe in pain and suffering, you believe in heaven, you believe in hell. You believe in reincarnation. ’cause that’s all part of the belief package. Because you have an Iness you identify with your personal history, you’re separate from the source.

You realize there’s no separation, then all these things are not real God’s divine dream. Who knows? And I don’t know why we’re created, I don’t know why. And trying to figure out the why’s and all these things. You can’t do it from a, from a brain. You can’t do it from the human mind. Only in a mindless state can you understand these things.

So yeah, so my goal in the next couple years is to continue what I’m doing. And if you’re watching this thing a couple years from now, look for me, I’ll be in Australia [00:56:00] and uh, I don’t know about New Zealand, but Australia, Singapore, Tokyo, and South Korea, uh, that saw my agenda and I’m pretty sure that I will make those.

And, uh, and I phenomenal. I’ll buy an airline ticket, I’m gonna show up. Anybody meets me and, and greets me. And I, I, I leave it up to God. ’cause my, here’s my thing, every time I do an event is you do events. You have no way of really knowing who’s coming. I mean, it’s like

Guy: zero.

Rev. Bill McDonald: I, I mean, it’s like one person can show up. I mean, I’ve done events around the world. I’ve had 5,000, 6,000 people, you know, at, at an event, and I’ve had a dozen. It’s like, uh oh. Like I just, the message is still the same. It’s still good message, but I figure out those that are supposed to be there, they’ll find me. So I don’t even advertise, but I mean, I just, I put something on my Facebook page, people show up. I’m going, [00:57:00] I mean, I, I, who knows. Anyway. I love you, man. I appreciate giving another opportunity to speak on here and, uh. You got, I’m ready for you.

Guy: Yeah, no, I was gonna say, this won’t be the last time. We’ll make sure it becomes more regular. Bill, I, I love listening to you, my man. Um, no, it’s, it is interesting you sharing that about, you know, people by into a certain belief system and, you know, and how you’re actually living your life, you know, and that was part of the reason why I started this podcast, because I just wanna normalize these conversations and actually start to highlight what is possible, what we are capable of, and what the, the treasure within us is there all along.

It’s just nobody, well, nobody taught me where to look. And that’s the thing that really, really, uh, frustrated me once I knew is like, you’re kidding, right? Like, why, why couldn’t I be shown this as a 5-year-old? I would’ve just grabbed it and ran with it, [00:58:00] you know? So if not now, when, that’s what I would say to people. There you go. And at my age, that’s really the

Rev. Bill McDonald: question. I’ve been retired 23 years. That’s a long time to be retired, right? I should be. Yeah. And I’m going. If I’m not doing what my heart wants me to do now, if I’m not carrying out my dharma, my purpose, when there’s no much time left in the hourglass, it’s now down to no, this is when, it’s now.

Now, when you’re young and you got family, you got kids. You gotta make in, you have to have an income, take care of your family. There’s commitments when you retire, that’s really the time. You got no more excuses. You, you’ve, you’ve got you family taken care of. Now it’s time for the higher order of things.

But meanwhile, while you, while you’re young, you should be meditating and building your frequency and loving and [00:59:00] serving, and there’s something to do at every level of, of your growth. And uh, and now you’re doing this. Think about this. You just become one of my hands. You, you’re moving my message for me.

Who knows Who’s gonna see you? Don’t know who’s gonna, I don’t know who’s gonna see this. ’cause I usually do something like this and I’ll get four or five, 10 people look, email me and say, Hey, you know, boom, boom. And then I found out and that’s how I was thinking about 80 years old. I won’t do so much of in person ’cause I had such, you know, power at the places.

But I’m finding out that people watch my videos, my healing videos, where I kind of do videos from my lectures and stuff. For the healing People say they were healed watching it. So it’s like, so it’s really about the faith and the openness of the person’s heart that’s [01:00:00] watching it. ’cause there’s some people who watch this video and they’re gonna say.

I felt nothing. And some people would say, man, I felt something, man. There was an affinity there. It’s your vibration. So that’s, and like a tuning fork, some people will vibrate with what I’m saying, and they’ll wanna make that more often. They wanna, you know, they wanna increase that frequency. It’s all about frequencies and meditation.

It’s the greatest way to increase. That’s great to increase. But if you’re only, if you’re meditating, but you’re living an immoral life and you’re cheating and you’re, you’re alcoholic and you’re doing the drugs, you can meditate all you want. You’re, you’re not gonna change the frequency much. So it has to be body minded spirit.

Hmm. Three tuning forks. They all gotta be vibrating together. You have purpose. You have purpose. So when you’re doing this broadcast, your intentions are to educate and [01:01:00] inspire. Be a bridge for other people to get the information. Now, if that’s your intentions, the universe knows that your listenership will increase.

The right people will find it. I mean, there’s thousands of thousands of podcasts out there. How do people find yours? How do people find me? I mean, I got over a million, millions, almost a million and a half of my own and, and, uh, on people’s other broadcasts like yours and others, if you had ’em all, it’s about another almost 2 million. So it’s like, who are these people?

When, when, uh, when the crops are right, as the farmers used to say, and when the crops are, when the crops are ripe, the bees will find them, right? The bees will find them, you know, and they, they’ll fall. So when you got the right message and the person’s ready. [01:02:00] They will find you no matter where you’re at. You can’t hide your light was a Bible thing, but hide your light under a, a cover or blanket or something. So it’s hard to hide light. It’s harder yet to hide love.

Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. Where can we send everyone, like people will be listening to this. I mean, you’ll be easy to find. If I type in Reverend Bill McDonald into YouTube, Google,

Rev. Bill McDonald: Facebook. Yeah. Reverend Bill McDonald, Facebook, but by email and I do eventually answer everybody’s, even though I get a a thousand a week, I do, Jesus. I gotta get up at 1, 2, 3 o’clock in the morning to, to get everything done. Uh, especially these Australians are already up in Singapore. Uh, the first hour every day is that part of the country? But, uh, Huey, HUEY 5 7, 6. At gmail.com. In other words, hu I was in the Army, right? Huey helicopter number 5 7 6. So it’s [01:03:00] huey576@gmail.com. If they, if they send me a message, I will respond.

Guy: Amazing. Bill, um, any, um, anything you wanna leave the listeners to ponder on as we wrap this up with everything we covered today? Mate,

Rev. Bill McDonald: you know, I, I believe out of all the things in the world, money, power, fame, all this stuff, nothing compares to having loving your heart. Uh, as I found from dealing with these guys in Silicon Valley, billions of dollars that yet they were still looking for something and they come to me, this poor kid, right?

Yeah, kid, yeah. 70 years old. Poor kid. They, they come to me seeking what they don’t have. Love and hear peace. Mm. So even though they’ve made a killing and they’ve kind of gone off and inventing things and they’re famous and all [01:04:00] that, if you don’t have love, fill in there, then everything is worthless.

There’s no joy there. So fill your heart with love and you don’t have to worry about anything else. ’cause I, I just read something on Yahoo said, uh, according to the United Nations, which was really odd, the number one disease in the world according to the United Nations ready for this, I thought it was odd loneliness.

Hmm. Causing suicides and, and mental stuff, but also physical. People heart and, and, and allergies and all kinds of things from being lonely and depressed. ’cause lonely goes to depression. Not being alone, alone’s different. ’cause you know, you could be a monk, you know, it’s, Hmm. You could be a, you could be lonely in a crowd at a party. Wow. So I’m out there looking at people and saying they cured, loneliness is love. The cur to darkness is [01:05:00] light. So spread the light, spread the love.

Guy: Yeah. I hear you. I hear you. Thank you so much Phil. You know, it’s funny you just sharing that last bit about everything in your, my baby is just turned six weeks old, my son Ellis. Wow. And um, and it was just the other day, me, my wife was sort of staring at him. He was sitting in this little bouncer thing that was holding him and he just gives a smile for the first time. Oh my God. Like that moment. It was like as a, as a parent with your, you know, your sibling and to be present to witness that it was, it, it just made me cry. Like, you know, like it’s, it’s those moments that, that just nothing can compare to it. And I was like, how lucky are we that we can have these gifts?

Rev. Bill McDonald: And to

Guy: the thing I’m trying to

Rev. Bill McDonald: tell young people, I said, the Lord God don’t need any more beggars. And you know, people [01:06:00] living in a cave someplace away from everybody, God is looking for family people. So these great spiritual souls can be born into a spiritual family. That can’t happen if everybody’s a monk. I’m sorry. It’s like, you know, come on, I’m a family man. And be godly. These souls are waiting and come in. There’s not many vessels for them. You brought one in. Thank you.

Guy: I appreciate the kind words. Thank you. Well, bill, you’re a bloody inspiration mate. Um, if anyone that just listened to our conversation and is not inspired by what you’re doing right now needs to check their pulse, they really do mate. And I have no doubt many people will, um, will benefit from all the beautiful words you just shared. So Bill, so good to reconnect. Thank you so much my man, and um, lovely loads. You’re amazing. Thank you so [01:07:00] much.