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Adam:
It’s a very common misconception that, well, if I just had the money, if I just had the women, if I just had the fancy job house caught, I had it all. And that does not make you happy. It is not things outside of you that will give you happiness or contentment because that can get taken away in an instant, whether it be through sickness through.

A tragedy, and that seems to be the common thread that a lot of these people that are sharing this story, including you, that had this kind of epiphany, awakening moment where it’s not that everything goes away and it’s a magic pill, where now everything’s all roses and unicorns. If anything, a spotlight gets shined.

Write on all of your problems and bullshit and through that long process. Now I can say that I’ve come out on the other side. A completely changed man. I know for a fact many people will listen to this podcast and get a lot out of it today, regardless of the domicile, tryptamine or not, just knowing that there are always ways that we can explore ourselves and the darkness doesn’t need to be permanent.

Guy:
Guy here. My epic guest today is Adam Butler, and of course, if you love conversations that dive down, deep rabbit holes, this is one of them. But I wanna stress as well that even though we get into the topic of dimethyl tryptamine, if you’re not sure what that is, and DMT, it’s a natural compound that gets produced from the pineal gland in the, in the brain and the body.

The essence of the podcast and the conversation, I think is really what matters. There are so many vehicles and tools and roads that allow us to, uh, recognize our own divinity within us and who we truly are. And this was a great conversation and I would recommend sharing, uh, to other people, especially men, if this, if you’re watching this and this resonates with you, and you might know someone out there that’s curious or even having this hard time struggling or something, this is a great one to.

Uh, pass along and pay it forward. Be sure to let me know in the comments below where you are in the world, what you get out of this, and even if you’ve explored some of the modalities that we have this conversation around today. And of course some of the experiences we get into ’cause it is, can feel a bit out there if you haven’t explored this before.

Yeah, I’m back. Fresh from Bali retreat and back home. We’ve, what an epic experience and there’s lots more coming up in the pipeline. If you wanna find out. We are up to with live flow and myself and, and the guys, there’s links below and this how we can best support you moving forward with this work.

Anyway, enjoy this conversation, Adam. It’s awesome. Yeah, we cover a lot of ground. Much love and hope to meet you in person somewhere soon. Give you a hug.

Guy:
Adam, welcome to the podcast, my man.

Adam:
Hello, guy. How are you? Thanks for

Guy:
Yeah, I’m really good. Thank you. It’s, um, a, a topic that fascinates me around and I’m interested to find out about your journey as well. I, when preparing this morning, I, I look back and, uh, I actually had Mitch Schultz on the podcast and, uh, with Mitch who made the spirit molecule. So he was behind that, um, about five years ago, and that’s the only time I’ve ever had this conversation on the podcast.

Adam:
Oh, I’m, I’m excited. Yeah. I’m, I’m willing to get into any aspects you’d like.

Guy:
So my first question is, before we get into all that, is like, if you’re on an airplane right now and you sat next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, how would you respond? I.

Adam:
With a very different answer than I would’ve responded to four years ago. Uh, the answer now would be that I explore altered and elevated states of consciousness, uh, that I help people with mental health issues, and I try to be an advocate for the power of psychedelics. Uh, DMT in particular,

Guy:
Wow. Wow. Do, do you think most people, if you were on an airplane and you answered like that would even know what DMT was or the power of psychedelics, what? What’s your feeling on that right now?

Adam:
I think psychedelics in general are, are getting some more, uh, intellectual conversations and some, you know, really thorough research backing it. So I think psychedelics as a category, I, I think are getting some, uh, the, the respect maybe and, you know, a little bit more attention than, than of the past. in, in its niche area is, is very popular and, and is known, um, pretty extensively, but I would say. General population does not know what DMT is. And, and I can say now, several years into my journey of, you know, promoting my book and sharing this story that I, I get asked that question all the time, you know, even what is DMT and just the, the most basic of it, no idea what it is. And, uh, know, that, that’s a big part of my journey now. And, know, you, like, like I said, what do I do now?

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
the professional career that I, that I used to have. Now my job really is to try to answer those questions in a way that will convey, uh, you know, the proper message.

Guy:
would, like, I’m interested to know, like, I think for our listeners, ’cause I’m really keen to guarantee your journey in a sec, um, is how would you just, you know, briefly describe DMT to someone that never heard of it, wasn’t familiar with it. Like what, why are you so passionate about it? Like, what is it with DMT to you?

Adam:
So, I’d say in particular what separates DMT from other psychedelics is the fact that it is endogenous. Uh, and, and that word comes up quite a bit in the conversation about DMT, and, and all that means is that it’s made naturally in your own body. so because of that, the way your body metabolizes it, your interaction with it is very different from the, the feelings and sensations of, of some of the other psychedelics. Uh, not only endogenous, endogenous, excuse me, to us as humans, but my understanding is that it’s in all, all mammals and it’s ubiquitous throughout the plant kingdom. Uh, so it’s, it’s a very common, uh, in my opinion. Not necessarily safe, uh, but for somebody that really is not interested in pharmaceuticals or, prescription pills or, or anything like that, um, I think the fact that it’s plant-based, it’s natural, it’s organic, um, really separates it. And then the profoundness and the experience itself definitely sets it apart from other psychedelics as well.

Guy:
Yeah, it’s definitely needs to be handled with care, that’s for sure. I mean, I was speaking of air, I’ve experienced dimethyl and it’s dimethyl tryptamine right at DMT. And uh, I’ve experienced it once, uh, and I’ve, I’ve actually experienced it many, many times within my own meditative practices and, uh, exploration.

So it’s something I’m familiar with the terrain, but actually taking it from and from externally into the body, I, I did that once. And, you know, I just saying it’s certainly a, um, a very powerful, uh, psychedelic. I’ve, I’m curious, and we’ll dive more into DMT soon, but I’m curious to know your journey, what led you down this path? I believe you said you worked in real estate, like did you, did you grow up with any kind of spiritual curiosity, any practices in place, or like how did your journey unfold for you, Adam? I.

Adam:
So I grew up, uh, as a Catholic and I, I’d say of all of the religions and spiritual practices that I, that I’ve studied, uh, I probably resonate least with that. Uh, I had questions from my priest and, and, you know, in Catholic CCD classes that even at that young age, I, I really didn’t have answered. I would say for majority of my adolescent life and, and all through college, I was more of an atheist.

Uh, I studied entomology, excuse me, in, at the university for almost eight years. So I was really to scientific materialist science backed with data. And, uh, at that point, I, I really hadn’t explored too much on the religious and spiritual side. I, when I left college, uh, that’s when I, I started reading a lot of the old esoteric wisdom, uh, practices, you know, the, the books about hermeticism and really started deeping further into, uh, other, other, just.

It a thought about consciousness, but the, the deep exploration didn’t happen until my midlife crisis really around 40 years old. And, and that’s what kind of triggered all of this. Uh, but as, as far as that, and, you know, that that’s my spiritual and,

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
progression. But as far as my life, and I mentioned this in my story because I, I think it’s important. But I, I go over my background and I’ll be happy to share, you know, any of the details. But some of the, the bullet points was that really was raised with a, a silver spoon in my mouth. Uh, I had every advantage possible growing up. I had a amazing, and still do amazing parents. I have amazing, great, uh, grandparents. I was gifting gifted quite a bit of sum of money, uh, close to a hundred thousand dollars when I was 18 to start

Guy:
Wow.

Adam:
Like I said, I went to college for almost eight years. Uh, I had the, the financial success in, in real estate investing as well as being a real estate investor, uh, excuse me, as a inspector, had the fancy things, the pretty women, the cars, all of that. Like a lot of people, um, at my age I was running from a lot of my problems and, and I was a, a really bad alcoholic. I was a mean belligerent asshole to myself and my loved ones. And because on paper I had it all and it looked like I was doing good, I was able to to really mask that and hide that for, for quite a bit. And, part of this journey is, is certainly, uh, getting alcohol outta my life. I’m

Guy:
Huh.

Adam:
four years sober now with that. And that was, a, a big part of the journey of getting the, the clarity to know that there’s an issue and then the, the power to actually move through it. But,

Guy:
Wow.

Adam:
um, yeah, at, at, in my my forties, uh, I had a series of events that everything in my life absolutely blew up and it, it resulted in me looking into psychedelics for

Guy:
Gotcha. Wow, thank you. So a question that came in for me when you were sharing and all that is, is like if you were raised and, you know, by loving parents and you, you had everything, like you said, like you, you know, silver spoon, you know, I was fortunate. I had very loving parents even though my dad wasn’t around, but growing up in wills, was in the valleys, was hard mate.

Like it was, tribal fighting was very common part of, uh, survival and, uh, no money, like financially struggling on a council estate like it was, you know, and I’m so grateful for those experiences actually, because it’s really, as my life has changed and grown, it really has given me a contrast of experiences to know when to lean into something and be truly grateful for it.

So I. My question is for you, when you were going through that experience, looking back at that younger self, like what do you think the missing piece was? Why did you go down that route? And now you have hindsight, like what do you think that, young man was craving?

Adam:
Well, the, the contrast is, is really important and that’s why I try to share my message as well, because my highs have swung so high, but my lows have swung so low. I would say the best way for me to describe my issues as a younger man in addition to alcohol, but I don’t, I don’t wanna blame that because it really was more of an internal issue, was that, uh, I was running and blaming all of my problems or preconceived issues on other people, external things.

Um, blaming. N never taking the time to actually look within. And over the years of just running from it through alcohol, I just became de depressed, uh, anxious. And, and that resulted in me being an angry, belligerent person and part of my story. Uh, and, and you know, full disclosure, I, I try to share all of my, my details and I feel as though part of my, my connection and my ability to, um, you know, seemingly keep being able to share my story, is that I am willing to share my authentic and raw warts and scars.

And, uh, my cascade of negative events started with a, a knock on my door where I got a, a restraining order put against me. So I was with a, a particular woman for close to eight years. Uh, we had this beautiful three story Victorian house right by the water. Um, it was, you know, on, on, like I said, on paper, everything was perfect. But that restraining order, um, this gentleman handed me the paper on it, it accused me of some pretty horrible things and, and verbal abuse and mental abuse, and. Uh, I can say that I’ve never, you know, you’re just saying your rough background. I’ve never been in a fight in my life. I’ve never raised my hand to a man or woman. Um, and not that that makes the abuse or, or intentions any, any better, but I was really just using my aggression in my presence to, to make, basically make this woman feel very uncomfortable. And was like, yeah, you need to leave and leave now. Uh, I had no time to pack, I had no time to gather anything.

And that was right before Covid. So this process that should have happened, you know, in a three week period ended up extending over a year. And, you know, so I had this long progressing progressive, um, inner, you know, looking at myself of what, what do I need to do? Why did this happen? And. And, and I’m, I’m kind of, like I said, this happened over a period of about two years.

But I, I picked myself back up. I got into a, another relationship. Everything was going great. I quit my high paying job where I was making about 180 grand, 200 hundred grand a year. But I got an even better job, uh, working out in Martha’s Vineyard, this, this beautiful island. And everything was great. But then that relationship fell apart.

Uh, there was a gentleman that I was working with that basically I found that he screwed me over 900 bucks and, uh, I threatened to kill him. again, these aren’t light statements, but I was just so strung out and so on, so short with my temper that I snapped. And was on a Sunday night. And the following Monday, uh, he lived only a, a, excuse me, a few blocks away from me.

And I knew that, that it wasn’t gonna end well. So at that point in my life, I had money. I had. Time now, I knew I wasn’t gonna have a job because I just threatened to kill one of the guys that was one of the owners. And I decided to drive to California. So I, I drove literally across cross country and I spent over a year just living on the road, going to all the national parks, living on beaches, uh, exploring myself and having this spiritual journey.

And along the whole way, uh, I was using shrooms and DMT to really do this, this deep inner exploration of myself. And, uh, and, and I guess a, a big part of this is when I talk about DMT, I say, that has saved my life because all of that, I really was, was in a very dark, depressive suicidal state. And, uh, I was at the point where, you know, I was gonna walk off into the woods and not come back.

And, uh, I had no one to blame but myself. And that’s really why I, I talk about my story from the beginning because this isn’t a, woe is me. And, and I just got goosebumps because. We were talking about Robin, uh, land song story, um, and some your relic guests that have these horrible traumatic histories.

And, and I was not that I had every advantage possible and I was the, I was the reason for my downfall. I was the rea, I was the only reason. And like I said, I had every advantage that anybody could ever have. And when I was sitting there with, with all of this shit in my lap, there was really no one to blame but myself. And it was through really hard inner shadow work and, um, you know, that, that inner psyche, tough, tough

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah.

Adam:
But, you know, that’s been a couple years now on the other side, and I’m the happiest that I’ve

Guy:
I’ve, first of all, thank you for your honesty and share. I can so relate. I mean, not only on my own journey, but I work with thousands of people and pain is pain and if we internalize it and we don’t understand how to navigate that, that terrain, it will show up in all sorts of ways. And then we just blame the external world for something that we haven’t dealt with internally.

And quite often we are not even shown, taught, shown, or how to deal with that, those internal emotions and feelings from a very young age, you know?

Adam:
Well, and, and part of, hopefully that I wanna share with people too, is a lot of it’s, it’s a very common misconception that, well, if I just had the money, if I just had the women, if I just had the fancy job house car I had it all. And that does not make you happy. You know, we’re now at this transition or transformational part of my life.

I don’t have any of the material wealth that I used to have. I’m completely rebuilding my professional career, and I don’t quite know what avenue that that’s gonna take. But is not things outside of you that will give you happiness or contentment because that can get taken away in an instant, whether it be through sickness, through a tragedy, through. You know, name it through a knock on the door where you’re getting a restraining order put against you. Uh, you know, so you have to be able to learn within, and that seems to be the common thread that a lot of these people that are sharing this story, including you, that have this kind of epiphany, awakening moment where it’s not that everything goes away and it’s a magic pill, where now everything’s all roses and unicorns.

If anything, a spotlight gets shine, you know, right on all of your problems and bullshit. But in my particular case, psychedelics allowed me to stop running from all of my problems and, and face them head on. And through that long process, uh, like I said, now I, I can, I can say that I’ve come out on the other side. I completely changed man, and you know, now I’m helping other people kind of get through this.

Guy:
Yeah. Have you ever been able to put the finger on the actual pain, what was causing that manifestation had come out in all those ways? Or has it just been a, a clearing of emotion where you just feel like the lens has shifted or do you know what I’m saying?

Adam:
Well, that, that was probably one of the most difficult parts because I, I didn’t have any trauma in my childhood. I didn’t have any issues growing up. I was never abused. I, I never had anything but everything handed to me. And, you know, at one point I was talking to a therapist where, know, highly educated man with the best intentions and I was paying him 240 bucks an hour to, to try to figure out this what my issue was.

But at that point I was still masking my issues to myself. And that, you know, and I wasn’t lying to, to my therapist, but I was trying to fabricate this story about, you know. Just how intellectually superior I was, and no one would understand because of what I’ve been through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it’s like, no, if I just would’ve been there and said, listen, you’re, you’re an overweight, narcissistic, belligerent asshole who treats people like shit, and that’s why no one wants to be around you. That’s why this is happening. That, but truthfully, if he or anybody else would’ve said that to me, um, I certainly wouldn’t received it.

Well, and, and probably would’ve responded, you know, defensively and potentially aggressively where, for me to, to be able to have the ability to say that to myself, um, you know, and, and I say, and kind of say often it’s, it’s very difficult to lie to yourself when you’re, you know, on five grams of shrooms and you’re staring at the, in the mirror

Guy:
Right, right.

Adam:
an ayahuasca ceremony or very, very deep into the DMT space where it’s very easy to lie to your friend, your spouse, your neighbor, your therapist. But you cannot lie to yourself when you’re, you’re in that psychedelic space and. That was what allowed me to finally get outta my own way and self saab stop self-sabotaging because there, there was nothing else in my life that was that, you know? So to answer your question, what was it that I would put my finger on?

I, I had everything, you know? And I, I, I don’t know. really don’t know. And that, that was part of the, the issue where I was like, what the fuck? Like, why, is going on? And that’s why the first chapter of my book is, is titled, and Excuse My Vulgarity, but I, I feel that it has to be that intense. The first chapter is titled, who the Fuck Am I? Because it took me with that passion to look up to the universe, to plead and to look within too is, is, you know, really who am I? And, and what is, what is going on? Why, why is this now where you are at, where, where you used to be this golden boy with everything, and now you’re about killing

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
with nothing, and you’ve already threatened to kill somebody. You’ve, you’ve lost multiple long-term relationships and now you’re in essence homeless, where, you know, at one point I owned 15 houses over the course of my investing career in. not that that’s an amazing amount or that I had millions banked up, but I never thought that I’d be jobless, homeless and living it outta my car. That was never in the

Guy:
Yeah. And No, I get it. Thank you. It’s like, um, it, but for from by learnings and. Even to this day, you know, the body can behave very differently to what the mind perceives. And the bo the body has so much wisdom beyond the conscious mind that we just simply can’t put our, put our um, finger on. But if we create an environment for the body to really start to reorganize itself, it can, it can release wounds, it can release ancestral trauma, past lives.

If you lean into that, there are so many, um, bits of information that can be holding that’s stuck, that’s influencing the way we perceive ourselves in reality at any given time. And the, the key is, is to own it like you, you did, which is just start to go inward and explore.

Adam:
Well, and, and to be intentional about the environment that you set up

Guy:
That’s right.

Adam:
and externally. Um, and then, and, and then what, what tools do you use to elevate your consciousness? So I, you know, I, I’m an advocate for, for psychedelics and, and DMT, but I’m also a deep meditator. Uh, I just went to the Monroe Institute where, you know, they use the,

Guy:
Wow. Yeah.

Adam:
neuro beats to, to elicit different responses. Uh, really it’s, you can find the, the same through holotropic breathing through long walks in the woods, woods through yoga, through playing music. You know, there’s other ways of getting yourself tuned in to this other vibrational energy. And, and again, listen to the stories of your last 10 guests and, and in essence, they’re all saying the same

Guy:
Hmm.

Adam:
which is how did they, how did they find a way to tap into it? Uh, what, what caused it, whether it be a traumatic event or just a, I’m putting my foot down. Um, Lisa Rose, I mentioned, I watched in that

Guy:
Okay.

Adam:
great where she just decided one day, you know, later on in life, like, fuck it, I’m not, I’m not living in this box. I’m gonna ask God, I’m gonna find out who you are and I’m gonna demand answers. And now, you know, to see the joy on her face and the sparkle in her eye as she shares her story and is using her story to help other people. And, you know, as I may just kind of type on that rant, we mentioned those two names, Robin Lan song and, and Lisa Rose, where I. They weren’t two people that I would ever seek out necessarily their story or I wouldn’t be exposed to other than if I didn’t listen to your podcast.

And both of those women gave me tears, gave me goosebumps. Uh, both of them I shared with my mother as well as my girlfriend to say, you know, this is a perspective that I really want, want you to listen to. And my, I, my goal or hope would be it, maybe there wouldn’t be people that would seek out a funny looking bald tattooed guy like myself talking about psychedelics and DMT. But if I can talk about the therapeutic aspect of it, who, who, I came out on the other side, not only myself, but I can share countless stories of other close ones around me and to say, well, hey, wait, made it, wait a minute. Maybe there is something around this plant-based medicine stuff that, that should be explored further.

And, um, men, if I could have the effect that those two women had on me, and I’m sure countless of your, your other listeners, then you know that that’s my intent here is to say, you know, don’t just write off somebody that’s telling these stories that may be far out to you because. You know, and you’ve personally experienced the power of these molecules. So it’s, it’s real.

Guy:
it’s definitely real. And you know, all paths lead to the same road. Then they really, at the end of the day, the vehicles are different, but they all end up back at the same place, same as the teachers, same as the wisdom. You know, the wisdom that we inherit is all going back. I, my belief is that, anyway, back to this unified field of consciousness and, uh,

Adam:
thing.

Guy:
no, please go, go, go, go.

Adam:
I was gonna say, the beautiful thing about living in this, this time is that we we’re blending ancient knowledge in all these older, you know, esoteric teachings with modern day research and, and And it’s not just these far out thoughts, like there are physiological changes that happen in your body when you’re in deep meditation.

Uh, there, there is, you know, there are major. Things happening within ourselves and to ourselves into people where, where people’s lives are truly being changed. And, uh, I don’t, you know, the, the more and more data that gets out there, it, it starts becoming, in my opinion, it’s been like this for a while, but really indisputable that there’s something greater than that consciousness.

And in our ability to expand that is, is something that really is, is a worthwhile, uh, exploration. And like I said in my particular case, it, it saved my life, transformed my life. And I, I know it has the ability to do that for, for many others that may need it.

Guy:
I’m, I’m keen to tap into the Monroe Institute in a minute as well, ’cause that’s, I’ve had Tom Campbell on the podcast about four times. I think he’s just agreed. He’s coming back on again, which is wonderful. Um, but with, when did you first experience the methyl tryptamine DMT then? Was that your first psychedelic experience and what was the environment and how, how was it received?

Adam:
So my first interaction with psychedelics was late high school, early

Guy:
Right.

Adam:
probably like most people in my early twenties with, um, paper acid and shrooms. And maybe I did it, you know, a, a dozen times over that, that period. But then there was a, a 20 minute, 20 year breaks, excuse me, where, up until 40 years old, I had not, uh, experienced any psychedelics. Now I mentioned, you know, I’ve never been into prescription pills, um, or any chemicals. So my kind of, excuse me, crutch or drug of choice really was alcohol. So that, that’s kind of what I, I did really through 20 to 40, um, even beyond that, Once I, once I realized that, you know, as I’m sitting there looking in the mirror with, like you said, 40 pounds overweight with bags under my eyes, miserable with my entire life collapsed.

Where, like I said, up until that point I was skipping around where everything was just falling into my lap. Where, I mean, like I said, I, I was just in essence coasting through life other than my internal conflict. But now I had this internal conflict as well as this pile of shit and, and nothing positive really going on in my life. there was a, a, a good amount of information going on about therapeutic value of psychedelics. So with, um, people coming back and having it help with, with the, the PTSD or post-traumatic stress, um, you know, knowing that it helped with suicide. I, I really started doing the research and I started getting in with shrooms.

And I mentioned this because I think it’s important because I, I did not think about doing DMT in for. Several months after I had learned about it, because I really took the time to read as much information as I could, starting with the Spirit molecule, um, by Rick Straussman listening to, you know, you talked about that, the video, uh, watching the video, listening to the podcast. But I decided that I wanted to start off psychedelics by starting with shrooms, and I figured that would be a way for me to kind of ease into it. And, you know, I was pushing it pretty deep though. 3, 4, 5, uh, up to seven grams and, and really getting really extreme.

Guy:
the recommended dose just to give people context.

Adam:
Well, I’d say, you know, people microdose to, to try to get some benefits and that’s typically, you know, under half a gram or, or even less, I would say, know, two to three grams or, or 3.5 grams is certainly like a full dose;. So I was, I was doubling that, you know, in some cases. because I felt as though I, I was really battling my demons and, and a. Like I said, looking at myself truly, sometimes, literally looking in the mirror, seeking these answers and seeking were these voices in my head? Why was everything in my love life destructing? And it took several months of, of really deep, deep worker shrooms, including, you know, buckets and buckets of tears.

A a lot of of the, the pain that I caused myself and other people. But I didn’t get that, that breakthrough epiphany. I didn’t get that like, oh, this is, this is good and, and now I can move on. If anything, I was just more aware of like, what the fuck, why I really shouldn’t be in this place. I, you

Guy:
That’s interesting. yeah,

Adam:
you, you really are the, the cause of everything. Um. And then I think like most people, DMT was exposed to me and, uh, fell in my lap exactly when I needed it. Or, you know, the, the universal power was decided. It was my time. And a close brother of mine, you know, said that, uh, he had access to it and, and he knew what really, what a bad mental place that I was in.

And he knew ideally, you know, the therapeutic value that it had and offered it to me. So, once I knew that I had access to it, like I said, that’s when I did all the research. It took several months that, that I felt as though I, I had enough information. I built up reverence, I built up respect, and we had a, a plan to set aside a day to really do that exploration.

And, uh, and I go over this in my book where that was a very, very intense day. And I don’t, I don’t necessarily recommend people jump into DMT the way I did, which was, uh, I took about 50 hits that, that first day. And you know, when you’re smoking a vape and the, the DMT molecule, uh, it’s instant and it’s, it’s pretty profound.

And, you know, normally. hits is, is getting you pretty deep. Four hits is, is kind of, you know, getting you out there. But I, uh, I, that wa I pushed that over about a, an hour and a half time, and that was about seven, eight separate sessions and each session was multiple hits.

Guy:
Wow.

Adam:
so a couple things, if, if I

Guy:
Please.

Adam:
I kind of, if I could break down that, but as, as well as, uh, why DMT is, is really so helpful in my opinion. So one of the, the beautiful aspects of DMT is that when you smoke it, those sensations only last 6, 7, 8 minutes. It’s a very, very quick blast. You go extremely, extremely deep and you have all of these profound insights, but you come back and there’s no hangover. Um, you have full lucidity, um, you know, you’re able to integrate the lessons you’ve learned. But in this 10 minute period, you’re, you’re back to normal. So that’s a big difference between shrooms, where you, it’s 6, 7, 8 hours LSD or Ayahuasca where you’re, you know, potentially 12 plus hours where you’re purging and shitting yourself, where this is a very neat, easy, clean way get into that psychedelic space and then pop right back out.

So that’s why I was able to, to really, you know, push those, those sessions like that, because you do come right back out of it. But that first hit, that first time that, that I, that it entered my body. It was just so natural and so innate, and, and tasted very, very familiar. Now, instantly your senses are getting blasted. Uh, you know, your sights and sounds were all expanding, and you, you clearly just ingested a very, very powerful molecule. But I felt instantly at home, I felt comfortable. It wasn’t scary at all. It felt as though the veil was being removed, not as though I was being poisoned, or that I had this drug influencing me. there was this very familiar, uh, like nasal cavity sensation in the back of my throat was familiar from when I was a child, that that seemed very comforting.

So that, that was, I think, maybe a testament to the endogenous fact that it w it was something that once an entity, it didn’t feel poison or scary as, as intense as it was, it really was very comforting. but that first session. I didn’t have any interactions with any entities. You know, I didn’t see the, the gestures of the machine ELs. Uh, I didn’t have any epiphanies. It really was this, this really intense space that was unique to anything else I had experienced. And, and I don’t wanna, uh, undercut or take away from, from that space because that, that DMT space is, is, is an amazing, you know, physical place to be.

And I’m sure we’ll get into that. But, like I said, I was looking for answers. I didn’t wanna just go explore this, this fancy place. And so I pushed it a little bit further. Um, again, no, no epiphanies, no, no interactions, really just feeling more comfortable pushing the boundaries of what my body could do with this molecule.

And pushed that several sessions, like I said, for about an hour. And at that point, you know, I was pretty punch drunk with what had happened. But I, I was, I. I was at the point in my life where, like I said, if I didn’t get any answers, I, I, I probably wasn’t gonna come back. And, you know, that last session was the one that really changed and saved my life where to the universe.

I, I asked for help. I, I said, you know, if I don’t, if I don’t get something from from you, you know, this, this is it. And uh, that last session was when everything changed. So soon as you go, typically when you go into the vibe into the DMT space, you have this very, um, really deep vibration, this hum that goes through your body.

It’s like this visceral sound that you can feel through every cell of your body. And that last session, all of that stopped, or the sights and sounds stopped, the hum stopped. And I was instantly suspended in this space where, you know, I wasn’t being sucked up through any portal. I wasn’t falling, I was just there.

And I was being held. And that’s when I, I would say I had my first conveyance or download of information and. You know, what it was or how it gave it to me. I don’t know. It wasn’t an English speaking, you know, gentleman saying, Hey, this is what you need to do. It really just felt, felt in an instant. I had, I had all the answers that I needed answered. And I guess the best way for me to describe that was that, no, I had all of these advantages in the past, but how, how could all that be blown up? And I had all of these things rattling on as well as, in my future, what am I gonna do? And like most people, so worried about the past of the future and they have all of these stresses going on that they, they can’t be present.

And in that second, you know, all of my proverbial dots that I want to connected we’re instantly connected and then blown up. And then, you know, a thousand dots were, were connected. And this energy, or this being was basically like, you know, you stupid human. This is what you want. You wanna connect the dots.

Like, here it is. Look how easy it is. This is, and like you said, a million connected. Those blew it up. A billion connected. Those blew it up. the point was that. You know, it, it’s not to connect the dots, it’s to appreciate each dot for what it is. It’s, it’s not, it’s to appreciate the, the quiet between the beat. And really was the realization to live in this very second to be here right now. And that, that was as simple as it was, was not to spend all of my internal beautiful energy wasted on the past of the future. And just to be here that you finally, all you have is this. One second and again, so basic. But that was the first time in my adult life that I realized that I had the power to control this very moment. And that’s when instantly came out of it crying mess on my friend’s floor. And from that day forward, I stopped digging deeper and adding more to the pile of shit in my life and turned it around where I took ownership of everything. I decided that then and there, that I’m in control of my life. That I’m connected to something greater than.

And you know, that’s been, I. Uh, three years now about since that, that first day. And it’s been a hell of a journey since. And now I’ve done DMT hundreds of times. Uh, explored shrooms countless times as well as going, like I said, Monroe Institute and really just the, the boundaries and limitations of where my, my mind and consciousness can go. And it’s amazing how similar it is to other stories, like you said, that coming to the mountaintop from the same, or getting to the same mountaintop, but from different perspectives. And now my goal is to try to study those other perspectives to see where there’s some correlations and similarities.

Guy:
Wow, that’s incredible. What I’m trying to think where, which, ’cause there’s a few things that pop in my mind there. I’m thinking about the listeners as well because like it would be, it’s easy from the outside looking in, and this is not my belief by the way, but it’s easy from the outside looking in to look at psychedelics, to look at the meth tryptamine as distractions to run away from the pain to.

Um, use them. And then, um, we see that quite often as well. People tend to spiritually bypass to actually explore what’s, what’s there. And clearly you’re using it to live your life and embrace reality and actually deal with and accept with what has been to intentionally move forward in life, which I think is fabulous.

Is there a danger of knowing when or where or how much to do and in terms of integration and how you actually go about living life instead of chasing something? Does that make sense? And I’m thinking of everyone listening to this, especially if they’ve not explored it before.

Adam:
Oh, absolutely. There, there’s that fear of, of always trying to ascend to the, to the five D or always trying to live in the astral world and, and not be comfortable hearing your physical, you know, body and, and always seeking instead of being here. Uh, there is that fear. Um, and, I would say just the opposite, what I, what I learned and took out of it was no, you know, you don’t have to seek, everything is kind of right here. Um. And, and I stopped my book with a disclaimer. I would say first of psychedelics are, are not for everybody, and DMT is certainly not for everybody. So I, I don’t wanna act like this is what everybody, you know, should do, or that this is the path that everybody needs to take. I think whatever, whatever you need to do in order to look within and take the time to do, you know, an exploration of yourself is, is really the important aspect of it. would say for the person that says that this is a, a, a drug or that you’re running from it, or you’re not really looking within, or, um, you know that it’s a, a, a cop out, so to speak. It’s, kind of the point is that that’s what most people do with alcohol, with prescription pills is that they do run, that they, they try to mask, uh, the stressors in their life that they put the blinders on and they only look, you know, very narrowly.

And it’s kind of like, they don’t want to hear it, they don’t want to see it, they just want to go to work, you know, smart from social media and just really not deal with it. And psychedelics are the exact opposite. They force you to look within, they, they force you not to run. And, you know, that’s where you, you hear some of the, the, the phrase like bad trip or scary trips or people have some, some pretty difficult things to process and it’s because probably for the first time, uh, these people’s lives, they can’t run from it. So, um,

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
it, it is something that can be used. Really, and, and that’s, that’s a, a really important point. What is the intention? Why are you doing it? And there is, I think there is a place for, you know, for the concerts or for the raves or, or to enjoy it in a, in a fun setting. And now that, you know, through the, through the evolution of my interaction with it, you know, I, I have a chapter in my book where I talk about areas of using it to enhance your life. But as far, as far as, you know, using it as a molecule or a chemical to do the inner work, uh, I would really push back on, saying that you’re using it as a crutch or that it’s gonna mask things. Because I think a common experience, especially with DMT, is that they come out and they say that the experience is more real than real.

And that, uh, you know, you, you don’t have less data points. You have way more data points. You, you have so much more to process, not less. And I think that really forces you to look at things in a, in a different perspective than a normal day-to-day life. And not a lot of times that’s what people

Guy:
Yeah, no, I hear you. And just for the record for listeners as well, when, back in 2012, I think it was 13 Jesus years. Just keep rolling, don’t they? Um, I, I did one experience with the methyl K tryptamine, uh, in a safe environment. And the very next day I did an ayahuasca journey. Um, and that. It was life changing in, I had already had a trauma with mushrooms from a kid, and I was facing a hell of a lot of fear and trauma, and it was a huge decision for me to, to explore these, uh, different avenues.

But it opened me up in a way. And I had experiences, especially then on the Ayahuasca journey that really challenged my thoughts and beliefs around who I am on the universe, on consciousness itself. And it changed the trajectory of my life. It really did. I’ve never been called back to do it since. Uh, I, I, I went down a different path, but I wasn’t coming from a place, uh, uh, very, I was coming from a very different vantage point than in my life as we all do.

We all bring our uniqueness in. So I’m forever grateful that, um, for those experiences and those opportunities and how they’ve helped me, you know, and I would, I certainly never rule things out as well moving forward. It’s just been incredible. Uh.

Adam:
Well, and that, that’s a, a big point of the story about psychedelics too, is. The power and transformation that comes out of it. And you could dispute, you know, is it real? Is it just our brain fabricating these thoughts? Is it, you know, just we’re, we’re having really vivid dreams. And, and I think there, there is some room for, for discussion there as far as the actual mechanics of what’s happening in your brain. But I think what can’t be disputed is the actual benefits. So whether it’s, it’s a, a, you know, a single Ayahuasca session or a ST room session or, you know, there’s a lot of couples doing therapy with ketamine and MDMA, the, the lasting effects that come out of it or come back from it. really, I, I don’t think can be disputed now, you know, from somebody like myself that had all these mental health issues and it was suicidal to now, like I said, being the most happy and content that I’ve ever been. there’s, there’s other, you know, really more concrete examples. The, the military person that comes back that lost all of his buddies and, and now can able to put that into perspective or, you know, a, a, a young woman that, that lost a child. And, and you know, like how do you, how do you put that in, into a compartment in your brain without it having rattle around and chatter and drive you crazy?

And I think that’s just what a, a, that’s what psychedelics allow is that it either allows a new compartment to be, um, you know, created or it allows access to that compartment where that information can now be put in a way where you can process it as opposed to to drive you crazy. And for some people. That’s what’s needed is a, is a strong blast of psychedelics. Now, for other people, it could be, uh, a health scare. It could be a traumatic event, it could be loss of a loved one, it could be a near death experience. You know, there’s quite a few that you can kind of have this response. And, uh, once you have it, I mean, you, you can’t unsee it.

You, you can’t unfeel those connections and un unfeel those connections to source and those increased empathy and sympathy. And like you said, it, it changed the cost of your life. Um,

Guy:
Totally.

Adam:
it’s that, you know, that’s pretty powerful if you ask

Guy:
That’s very powerful. Very powerful. I got, I gotta raise the question as well. You, you mentioned entities, uh, aliens, different beings. What, what’s been your experience with that? Because that always feels like a woo topic, and especially if you haven’t explored these altered states of consciousness, you know, and the fact that we’re only actually ever perceive in such a small percentage of reality through our senses.

Adam:
Well, you had, uh, Dr. Ibraham Karim or

Guy:
Mm-hmm. Ledger. Yeah.

Adam:
show a couple times and, and he just,

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
so in just a very easy matter of fact way of, of describing how there’s clearly more in this material realm and, and use the example of animals with different senses and it’s just different layers of kind of, so what perspective or what, what set of, uh, senses are you viewing this world through and. Psychedelics, I think just allow you different lenses and or to increase your antenna, to receive different, different inputs, a different type of information. I’m sorry, the, what, what was the

Guy:
So, so your experience with them, the entities and everything? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Adam:
Yes. Sorry. So I, after that first day, like I said, the, the evolution of my experiences have changed quite a bit over the years, but as far as the entities, uh, they started coming around, you know, after a, a few dozen times of just being comfortable in, in that space. Um, and then, then I started getting the, the kind of the gestures and the, the quote unquote machine elves, that kind of, the ambiance of friendly, fun, welcoming type energy, and those are, are really fun and enjoyable to interact with. And, and I mentioned the, the previous guest because I think that really is just, they’re always there and. It’s just a matter of dialing in or being able to increase your sensitivity to them. Um, but DMT allows you access to this realm of this vi vibratory state where these sentient beings are. Um, and you don’t interact with them all the time or every time, but they are clearly there and there’s different archetypes and classes of those entities.

And, and once again, they all kind of have a very distinct feel the interaction with them is not, I said, it’s not English speaking back and forth. It really is a, a deep kind of telepathic, energetic exchange of information, uh, that is, that is very direct and intentional. So there’s, there’s a whole category of those unique interactions.

And Owen’s gonna, I’ll be happy to explore more of them. But a couple of other things that, that I think are maybe relevant to your listeners as well is that those interactions have also changed in morph where there was. know, you’re very distinctly interacting with someone that isn’t you or that is beyond some, you know, beyond anything of, of this world. have one interaction where I clearly interacted with what I considered was my future self. You know, and this is where some of that may be considered woo woo stuff, but it was, it was clearly it very comfortable me and, and not me, like older with a longer beard or in a different, like elderly state me from a different time or a different space or a different dimension where I was kind of coming in to do a, a diagnostic check where it really was, felt very, very comforted.

Now you come out of that and that’s a, you know, once again, how do you, how do you process that where you are like, oh shit, I just interact with my future self. that experience, you know, put a lot of things into perspective for me where, you know, you’re not afraid of death. You know that your energy will transmute and carry on into something different. Uh, it it, you know, it came out with a, a, yeah. This is, this is something that. That is, is comforting and has, you know, I, I take that back into my life now where, again, not to have that fear of death is, is really exciting. And that’s another aspect of psychedelics that I think should be explored further is the, the end of life applications.

You know, you can imagine having people be comfortable with the passing of time and passing of that as opposed to being scared and in a hospice and drugged up on morphine. You know, you can imagine two grams of, of, you know, mushroom tea and they’re able to with, with the source, with infinite intelligence, you know, whatever that may be.

And, you know, so that, that was a, a, a pretty profound interaction. You know, and a lot of these experiences you come out where you, you feel like there’s a connection to one, that you’re all connected in some way. You have extended sense of empathy, sympathy, you know, these are all things that really come back and stay with you when you, you leave these realms. But

Guy:
Wow. Have you? Yeah, no, it’s, it’s amazing. Thanks. Uh, have you had any of these experiences outside of taking the psychedelic, like through a breath work journey or through meditation or sound work, or have you explored different modalities along with that?

Adam:
Yeah, no, I’m glad you asked that because that, that’s really what, what I’m interested in, in exploring further. Uh, so getting your own endogenous

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Adam:
be pulsed and increased is, is something that is, is very beneficial and so rewarding. And there’s a lot of great videos on the, uh, out on the internet of holotropic and breathing exercises combined with deep meditation where, know, you mentioned Kundalini energy and kundalini awakening, where you’re getting this, this heat energy coming through you and this physiological flush of all of these different chemicals.

And, I, I really believe that, that DMT in including other, you know, um, neurotransmitters and other chemicals in your body, but you’re, you really are able to pulse. Your own endogenous DMT through breathing and meditation. I

Guy:
Ah, yeah, hands down.

Adam:
you know, that is definitely something worth

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
Um, and then as far as other modalities, so, uh, like I said, bin narrow beats, uh, the hemi sink, that Monroe, so you, you mentioned maybe pick on that. And

Guy:
Do you wanna explain the Monroe Institute as well, please? Sorry.

Adam:
so the Monroe Institute was, uh, started by, uh, Robert Monroe and he really started. Exploring this because of his own outof body experiences. So, long story short, in his, his later life, I think he was in his, you know, fifties or sixties, um, he was laying in bed and he had a very vivid experience of, of him rising out of his body and looking down at, at the bed and seeing what he thought.

Some man laying in bed with his wife and was kind of like, you know, pissed at first, being like, who is this, this guy laying in bed with my wife? And it, but then realized that no, no, that’s him. And that he was feeling as though he had risen out of his body. And that, that happened several times, I guess over the, the, you know, short future following that. he had the, the capital and ability to, uh, explore, that further. And he, he made his money in a MFN transmission radio stations. So that was kind of his, area of expertise. And he wanted to see if there was any correlation on what was happening in the brain with brave wavelengths and, and how the brain was vibrating during some of these states.

And. Uh, really in, in short, what they found was that if, if you induce the brain to pick up on certain frequencies, certain hurts, frequencies, that it’ll elicit a response. That, can be pretty profound, including out body experiences, including interactions with other entities. And how that technology works is it’s, it’s called Hemi Sing.

So Hemi, Hemi Hemisphere, excuse me, synchronization. And the brain picks up different sound vibrations on each air. And only pick up, I believe, under 20 hertz or under 40 hertz. And, but the brain will register the difference. So if you have a hundred in one ear and 108 in the other, your brain will be able to pick up that eight, that eight hertz, and they’re able to play with that, that middle kind of frequency. And like I said, with deep meditation and practice, push you to these, these other levels and. Uh, I spent a week

Guy:
Okay.

Adam:
November because I really wanted to go and explore or see if there were similarities between my psychedelic states and my DMT explorations with of these profound things that they were talking about. So these astral projections and out body experiences and, you know, really to go there and see if it was all bullshit. And, uh, I can say that, that it’s not bullshit that it works. Uh, I didn’t have, you know, like an, an out body experience, but what I did have was a deeper connection to my body, uh, an understanding of the difference between your physical and your spiritual and your energetic levels and your being.

And that directed intention and with the help of their, um, technology that you really can get into deeper states, uh, very easily, that, that allow you to tap into information that you otherwise don’t have access to. But then the asterisk to that too, to take home is that. able to with practice, kind of do that on your own.

So yes, the, the, the, the technology gets you there. But like, same thing with DMT. The, the plan would be that you should be able to walk off into the woods and not smoke DMT and not listen to their, their technology and kind of get a DMT high and get to their whatever focus level you want just by controlling your own body

Guy:
Hmm.

Adam:
And that’s, that’s really the, the end goal of this is how do you integrate all of these practices where now you don’t necessarily need any of them, that you have the, the power within to elicit these responses.

Guy:
It’s powerful, isn’t it? It’s like, um. ’cause I know Thomas Campbell taught there for a while and he was recently on Joe Rogan. Podcast and he spokes about it. You know, they’re all training wheels. They’re all training wheels that lead you into a point where you can close your eyes and and go there once you start.

’cause the body remembers. The body learns is continually adapting. It’s, I think it’s called dynamic homeostasis. So it’s always upgrading, it’s always releveling reorganizing. And over time, through using external things that can support the inward journey, the body will remember. If we start to not, then we know what we are looking for. We can start to navigate ourselves there over time. That’s what I believe anyway from my experience.

Adam:
That’s a fantastic way of, of describing it. And, and I agree a hundred percent, which is why when somebody comes on like Robin and started singing her

Guy:
Uh.

Adam:
like I said, that, but so instantly, so my antenna, I feel is refined, is enriched, is very sensitive to these types of vibrations. Uh. I was actually working in a dirty basement when I was listening to that, doing a pretty crummy job. And that came and I instantly started crying, just tears started coming down my eyes, and it, it felt like I had heard it before. And I, and even her saying, you know, this is a, an American white woman’s interpretation of these African songs, and that, that, that was her own spin on it.

But man, I felt like I heard that song a million times before and it instantly got me to a place where it’s like, no, this is the song of love. This is the song of a woman nurturing cradling energy. And, and I felt it through her voice. And, you know, maybe it was because you just did a great job with your podcast, leaning it up.

Or maybe she’s some really fantastic mu magician who knows how to fake people, what she’s singing is truly a love healing song. And because our antennas have been, you know, refined to that level that we were able to pick up to it, where two grown men are sitting here crying instantly within five seconds of hearing a song. I’m sure we’re not, we’re not the only ones. And that’s the power of tuning your, your instrument to pick that up because that is the voice of God. That is that connection to source. That is, um, you know, you asked like what one of my major topics or what I like most about DMT and it is the mental health aspect of it because through what all these other people, or at least the recent ones that have been on your show, what they’ve all found out is that they’re worthy of love.

That they’re, that they’re worthy of the connection to other people that it, they’re, they really are a divine being. And the second you realize that, whether it be through song, through psychedelics, through just, like I said, putting your foot down, uh, the power that you get from that realization is, it’s it, man.

Like, that’s, that’s it. And there’s, there’s so many ways to get there and I feel like I’ve kind of. I’ve, I’ve hidden that, that point from a few of them. And if, if we can all just get to that point, I think that’s that next step of human evolution. That’s that shift that needs to happen where it’s not hatred.

It’s not divisive speech, it’s not politicians yelling at one another. It’s not bringing people down and it’s none of that. It’s connection, empathy. It’s doing exactly what you’re doing in your retreats. It’s being the shoulder to lean on, but also looking for people to lean on as well. And providing a space where people can grow and evolve and help and laugh

Guy:
Totally.

Adam:
be human and realize how beautiful it is to be human. But if you’re so bogged down with society’s plaque and you’re trying to keep up with the Joneses and you’re like, I was, you know, getting drunk every day and just wanting more and more and more stuff, uh, you can, you can pass your whole life by without ever really realizing how beautiful we are.

Guy:
Uh, well said. One, one thing I, I’ve learned from my, my own direction and then now do it, is that if you put the human being in the right environment, it will thrive. And it, the environment’s critical for that, that thriving. And when you consider the landscape that we navigate in Western society, most of the time, the environment, you know, the toxins, the, the, the food chain, the uh, the, the noise and the disruption in fear that’s projected through tv, through radio, through advertisement.

Everything’s constantly keeping us in this environment that is not conducive for the human to flourish naturally. And why would they? Because there’s, there’s no money in it. When we become self-empowered and start to really take our ownership back, and then you’ve, you put a human with other, you know what’s interesting, what comes out of our retreats, right?

Nobody ever talks about their careers, their jobs, what they do for a living. How are they? They all connect into their hearts. They all see each other from a soul level, and they really feel and see us. There’s no judgment in there. It’s all left. It’s all bullshit. That veer is just taken back and from that space, it’s unbelievable where we can flourish if we just hold a space for a human to find their own way there.

So they become their own guru. They, they, they navigate it and they, once they get there, once they know how to do it, and they can continue to lean in and navigate, doesn’t make life easier, but it makes it a whole lot more enjoyable along the way, that’s for sure.

Adam:
It makes it, you know, certainly easier for your own individual personal life. But then I, and I think it’s the power of events and podcasts

Guy:
Hmm. Absolutely.

Adam:
is that it makes it very easy to extend that than to other people. So, as much as I was saying that I know how worthy I am and how loved I am and that, you know, I, I, I’m a respected divine being, I extend that to everybody else that enters my space or that I come across with.

So I feel everybody else has the right to their own space, to their own opinion and, and to be their own unique light. And that’s also empowering too, because you’re not trying to convince somebody to be like you or you’re not trying to push or sway somebody to your perspective. And if, if we could all have that realization and knowing and love of ourself, I said, it just easily conveys to your neighbor, to your family, to to the community.

And that’s. That’s where I think this consciousness shift really can happen, where that doesn’t mean we all agree and that we can’t have difference of opinions, but the, but it’s approach with respect. It’s, it’s, uh, um, you know, approach with just the desire to really hear the other person, not the pointing fingers and trying to hold people down. And, you know, I, I try to use my myself as that personal example of, of most of my adult life. I was that dark, belligerent, nasty person that walked into the room and, and really just shit on everything. And, and wasn’t, wasn’t the thing that transmuted negative into positive, it was just the opposite. Where to now see the power of what can happen when you decide what type of energy you wanna resonate with and put off, and how powerful that is to expand that out.

It’s, it’s a beautiful thing and it just becomes self-fulfilling. Um, where, you know, you don’t have to worry about or stealing or screwing over somebody or lying. Um.

Guy:
Yeah,

Adam:
still be issues and problems in the world, but there won’t be those self-imposed roadblocks and self-sabotage. Bullshit.

Guy:
When did, um, when did you decide to put a book together? Tell us about the book.

Adam:
When did I

Guy:
Decide to put a book together on all this and writing it.

Adam:
So the, the book was published in March of 2023,

Guy:
Okay. Yeah.

Adam:
two years ago. Um, and really it was, so I mentioned how I, I, I hit the road and, and really just traveled across the, the con continental us. Like I said, I traveled across over 40 states and, and really just explored myself and, uh, I had a lot of communications with, with God, with sauce, with, with the universe.

And there was a, a, a, a pivotal day that, um, I decided that. Well, I, I got another kind of or an answer that, that I needed to be here to, to help share some information with my niece. Uh, she was, she was also going through some mental health issues and, you know, she’s 21 now, so at the time she was, you know, a late teenager and, uh, I had a, a very clear, distinct voice say that you need to be here for her and you need to share some of your lessons with her.

If nothing else, you need to convey some things to her before you leave this planet. And that if I can help her, I. Then maybe I can help 10 people. If I can help 10, then maybe I can help a hundred. And I felt as though there wasn’t, there was, there’s, and there is a lot of good literature and a lot of good researchings researchers out, you know, doing work on DMT, but there wasn’t something that was easily accessible, like my field guide and it, and it, it’s a hundred pages.

It’s a quick easy read. Each chapter can be read separately. Uh, it has recipes in it where you can make your own, um, ayahuasca your own

Guy:
Wow.

Adam:
your own crystals. Um, I, I, you know, show how it really is accessible. And again, I’m not telling anybody to do anything illegal or, you know, telling anybody to break any laws.

But it part of that, the story of, of DMT and, and you mentioned, you know, once again dire dimethyl tryptamine, is that you can make it very easily. It is simple, it’s inexpensive, you know, $200 worth of product will is, will last a lifetime. You know that it’s more than enough than you would ever need. Um, in most countries you can get it.

You can get the plant material shipped to you legally. And it’s, you know, why is this being. Kept from people. So, you know, in my field guide, there’s an introduction to me and, and my story briefly. And, and, you know, ideally why you may wanna listen to it. An introduction to the, to the molecule itself, recipes, some practical, you know, uses.

Uh, then I mentioned, I have a, a chapter where I talk about transcendental, uh, sex science and DM dmt, excuse me, transcendental Sex Science and art, where I talk about the application of DMT, you know, with relationships, whether it be intimate or not, uh, how it can expand science and, and just artistic creation, you know, so it, there’s, there’s a lot of things where, where DMT can and should be

Guy:
Hmm.

Adam:
uh, it, it really is, you know, there’s a lot of stuff with now the extended state DMT research going on where they’re able to, you know, put it in intravenously and actually stay in that state much longer.

Guy:
Wow.

Adam:
College is doing a lot of work on it, you know,

Guy:
Maps, I believe, isn’t there? Yeah.

Adam:
yeah, so, you know, short answer was I wanted to get, I wanted to bridge the gap between. The academic science, you know, books that were out there with the real world application, Hey, you know, I, I kind of walked the road and this is, this is what it’s like.

And putting it out, I can say the, the response has been amazing. I’ve gotten so many positive, uh, comments and feedback and, you know, I talked about why I wrote it was to help people. I can say that I’ve surpassed way more than I’ve ever could have dreamed of, of people reaching out saying thank you for sharing the message and whether it be them personally or, uh, and I think this is something I think your audience would, would resonate with. If most people have somebody very close knit family or inner circle that has mental health or suicide ideation, um, you know, you don’t have to go too far out of

Guy:
Totally.

Adam:
and family. And, uh, you know, if is kind of one of those things where. This, this can help in a com, if nothing else, if this prompts a conversation, if, if my story allows for another conversation or to allow for a further investigation into this. That’s really been my hope and my goal. And, um, yeah, I’m, I’m having a blast doing it. And it really seems to be clicking with people. And the more I share my story, the more people share their stories with me, and it just gives me more and more data points to share and, you know, more, uh, more ammo to know that I’m on the right path.

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
And it’s not make more money. It’s not get more fancy things. It’s not get another title. It’s not get more shit. It’s be true to yourself. Know yourself, love yourself, and share that with others. And it’s been a hell of a ride since.

Guy:
Oh, totally, mate. Totally. And look, I just wanna say thank you and I appreciate the humility you’ve, you’ve brought and, and I, I know for a fact many people will listen to this podcast and get a lot out of it today, regardless of the dimethyltryptamine or not. Just knowing that the, there are always ways that we can explore ourselves and the darkness doesn’t need to be permanent.

You know, there is wisdom in there if we mind it deep enough and, uh, to.

Adam:
And this from, from having A-A-D-M-T session with me to sitting in a space, having a love song sung to you and everything in between from sound baths to healing, you know, all of those, uh, they all can, they all can heal the person that, that needs pain. And, and to your point, they’re not alone. There, there are people that can help you, modalities that can help you and yeah, you know, if, if anybody ever needs a reason to stay on this planet one more day, I, I feel like I can give ’em a bunch of ’em.

And. You know that, that’s part of my story too, is I offer my email if anybody does wanna talk. Um, I also, I always offer when I go on podcast, um, and I, I know you, you promote the books and try to help people sell. And, you know, I, I’d love for somebody to, to buy a copy of my book, but at the same token, uh, I always offer a free copy.

If anybody wants a PDF copy, I’ll send it for free. It’s really the message and the information that I want to get out there. Um, you know, I’ve certainly sent free copies before, but that may be be expensive, sending a bunch to Australia. But, um, if anybody does want a free copy, don’t feel like you have to buy it, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll send it to you for free. And I’m here if you have any questions about

Guy:
It’s very kind of you. Where can people reach you? Like, what’s your website? How can they get in touch, mate?

Adam:
So most of my handles are books by Adam Butler. I would say the most, uh, the social media that I use most is Instagram and I just started a YouTube

Guy:
Oh.

Adam:
books by Adam Butler, where I’m starting to put a couple original videos. Uh, but the book can be found at Amazon Bon and Noble. There is an audio version that is read in my voice, so you like my Rhode Island accent, um, my, my book is available. We can,

Guy:
No problem. Well.

Adam:
just listen to it and I’m available. I’ve, I’ve got some really cool collaborations coming up in the future, including, you know, this, uh, I’m really excited to be able to, to connect with you and to, you know, connect with your audience and. There’s just a lot of good things kind of happening.

I’ve got another book that’s more than halfway done, a, another series in the field guide where it’s, it’s more about the integration of psychedelics and you know, how you can apply ’em to your everyday life. So really, you know, getting a little bit further into the stuff that we were talking about.

So, you know, what is meditation, what is looking within, what’s the importance of doing your shadow work? Um, know, so that way you can take these lessons back and, and apply ’em to, to be a better mom, dad, wife, human.

Guy:
Fantastic mate. Well, I’ll make sure there’s a link in the show notes for whatever people are listening to this or whatever so they can, they know what to click on and, and reach out to you mate. Um, mate, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really enjoyed our conversation today. It’s flown by, flown by.

Adam:
I’m excited to have talked with you and, and I don’t, I’m very honest and truthful and I never say anything that isn’t authentic to my heart. And, um, being exposed to you over the past few months and, and watching your episodes. I, I love the authenticity and the intention of your questions when you interview your guest.

I love the, the guest that you’ve brought on, and I think you’re a perfect example of what to be shared with the world in your own unique way. You’re not forcing it down anybody’s throat, you’re exposing it, letting people digest it, uh, with enough space, you know, to have these people to share their stories.

And I personally just wanna thank you because, like I said, sharing that, that one the other day with my mother sitting there making a puzzle with her, listening to the, listening to your voice and hers interact. Uh, it, it just gives more credence to the fact that we are more than our physical body, that we can tap into it.

And man, once you do, it’s beautiful. And I know your goal is to try to share that smile and that power and with as many people as possible. And you’re doing it and you’ve done it to me and my family.

Guy:
Wow. I appreciate that. Thank you. It means a lot. How did you find the podcast, by the way? Just like stumbled across from YouTube or something, or,

Adam:
Yeah, so be because of the subject matter that I was, was

Guy:
right.

Adam:
you came up and then I started looking at who you’ve had on, and it was just an instant, like, you know, I think I watched like six or seven in a row

Guy:
Yeah.

Adam:
when I first found you. And then, you know, once, once I was invited graciously onto your show. And I appreciate that, you know, the past couple weeks really, I’ve, I’ve dived into more of your recent episodes and again, I, I love the, the path that you’re going and the reason why you’re doing it. And, and I think it, it’s, it’s gonna click with a lot of different people for a, for a lot of different reasons. So thank you

Guy:
Yeah, no, much appreciated. Thank you Adam. Well awesome to connect mate. Thank you so much buddy. And uh, please, if you’re watching this on YouTube and you’ve made it to the end, please be sure to let us know what you think of the episode below in the comments. It’s always great reading them. Thanks, legend.

Adam:
Thanks Guy.