#179 In this episode, Guy interviewed Thomas Young, a wisdom teacher, mystic, and bestselling author known as the voice of the heart. Over two decades, Thomas has guided countless people in realizing the alchemical power of the heart and living from a place of love and purpose. The conversation delved into Thomas’s journey of discovering his soul’s calling, the significance of following our inner knowing, and the transformative power of heart-centered living. They also discussed the importance of courage in pursuing one’s true path and highlighted various spiritual practices and experiences that can lead to profound personal growth.
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About Thomas: Thomas Young is a German-born wisdom teacher that has the ability to touch people deeply in their hearts. He is characterized by clarity, love and a refreshing sense of humor. For many years the mystic has brought people into contact with the alchemical power of the heart. He is known to a larger audience through constant lecture tours and workshops in Europe and the USA. Thomas Young lives on the Big Island of Hawaii.
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- (00:00) – Why Life Repeats the Same Patterns Until You Listen!
- (00:24) – Meet Thomas Young: Wisdom Teacher and Mystic
- (01:21) – Thomas Young’s Journey to Heart-Centered Living
- (01:57) – The Call to Follow Your Heart
- (04:06) – Experiences and Teachings of Thomas Young
- (08:59) – Dreams and Spiritual Guidance
- (15:29) – The Importance of Courage and Following Your Calling
- (21:48) – Soul’s Purpose and Personal Stories
- (30:56) – Exploring the Heart Center Experience
- (36:05) – The Power of Embodiment
- (38:19) – The Role of Spirituality in Modern Life
- (44:03) – Generational Healing and Transformation
- (50:41) – Workshops and Personal Experiences
- (58:00) – Morning Routines and Future Visions
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Thomas: [00:00:00] Everybody has a call spontaneous, sudden knowing this is what I should do. If you look at the graveyards, all those written things on it, millions of shoulds I should have. I heard it. Why didn’t I? They all heard it, but they didn’t follow. You have to have some courage putting the heart into action.
Guy : Hey guy here. Today I chat with Thomas Young, wisdom teacher, mystic and bestselling author, and is considered the voice of the heart. In over two decades, he has brought countless people into contact with the alchemical power of our heart, and today we dive deep into what it actually means to be living from the heart and listening to our soul’s purpose and coming from that place.
If you enjoy my conversations and you find yourself coming back for more, I’d really appreciate if you hit the subscribe button, hit the like button if you enjoyed the conversation. And of course, leave me a comment as well. I read all my comments and it’s great to connect with the [00:01:00] people that are actually coming through.
And that way, of course, it continues to help me spread this message as I truly feel these conversations need to be heard. Enjoy it. Let’s go over to Thomas.
Guy : Beautiful. Thomas, welcome to the podcast.
Thomas: Hi, guy. I’m so pleased that, um, you asked me for this interview. I’m looking forward to your questions. I’m providing hearts and teachings here in Europe, the US pretty much all, all around the world since two decades now. Wow. And, um, running into remarkable people who have openings and experiences. And I love doing this work. I’m very passionate about opening the heart center.
Guy : I, I know. And, and that’s why I invited you on the show and I’m so happy you decided to, to, to join, to join me today in this conversation. And, and, you know, just to talk around that a little bit, which I, I wanna dive into in a sec.
But I ask everyone the same question on the show, and I’m always [00:02:00] curious to know how we answer this. ’cause I struggle with this question as well, but that is, if you were at a intimate dinner party right now and you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?
Thomas: I would say, um, I open the hearts of people and I love what I’m doing. I had a company when I was a young that I was studying. I was, um, creating a company. I was shooting movies, comedies in order to make people laugh and selling that when I was 37. And, um, because I felt that I, I, I’m able to do something like a soul talk from soul to soul.
And when I was something like 29, I had experiences, which in my bio. There was no background. I didn’t have a meditation practice, but [00:03:00] energies were shooting through my head out of my breast, and they were making me blissful and accompanied by clairvoyant, um, wow. Insights, which I suddenly had when I was talking to people.
Now at that time, um, when I was having that, um, not a lot of people were consciously working with the heart center, so to speak. Yes, there are a lot of spiritual lineages, ways, different sorts of things, but not specified to that. And then I, I went on a real read on a quest to find people who could explain to me at that time how to evoke that consciously. So this is pretty much, um, how I came into that work through Grace, if you want, or through something. I, I stumbled into the mysteries
Guy : and, and.
Thomas: I went exploring,
Guy : sorry, sorry to interrupt, but nothing activated that. At the time were you just like [00:04:00] sitting in a car and it just happened or you started talking to people and you were just feeling it? Is that what was happening
Thomas: At that point, I was studying, I was very creative. I was on a search for meaning. Yes. But I, I didn’t, it didn’t have a practice. It just happened. Literally just happened. So, and then the only explanation I have for that sort of experience is there must have been something in other lifetimes, sort of pre pairing, um, you for that.
But other than that, no. I also believe that there’s a certain destiny in the biography of human beings, so that we come with a sacred dream, but that we forget about it and that we sort of remember it after a while. But at that point in time, I was just. Beginning to orientate to, to, to, to look for orientation. And [00:05:00] I didn’t have, um, that much insight, which I have now after working with two decades on a very intimate level with a lot of different folks.
Guy : I, I can imagine. And because we, we didn’t, 20 years ago, we didn’t have as much access to the internet either. And I, you know, information isn’t, doesn’t come as, as obviously as accessible as now. Were you, were you freaking out or were you excited or were you just
Thomas: like, what
Guy : the hell is going on?
Thomas: I was excited.
Guy : Okay.
Thomas: Um, and I ran into a very wise woman who accompanied me for six years, a deep trans medium. And I found an American mystic who was consciously evoking it, bru joy. And so both their influences were guiding me through the next, um, I had that at 28th for the next nine years. Until I started teaching on my own age 37. So, um, basically [00:06:00] it’s stumbling into the experience and then having the explanation afterwards and not having a plan in mind and, and then thinking I
Guy : know
Thomas: the feeling, you know?
Guy : Yeah. Incredible. And when you decided to, after the nine years and then you go, you know, I wanna start teaching this and, and get this work out there,
Thomas: right.
Guy : From the, I’m just curious ’cause a lot of people listening to this obviously wouldn’t have had experiences like that. Yes. And it’s like, wow, you know, what do we do with them once we have them, you know? So in those nine years, if you could look back and distill it down, like what would be the key principles that you learned to, to get you to the point you go, oh, I’ve learned this wisdom and now I want to pass it on and teach it to others.
Thomas: Well, first of all, I, people have different access to, um, the unknown or to wisdom or [00:07:00] to what you don’t know at this point in time. And, um, I’m clairvoyant in a certain way, but I also have a very strong dream channel. So I was getting a lot of images and informations and pictures and movies, seeing me, speaking in front of audiences, not imagining it.
Just, just seeing it. And then I thought, well, to age 29, I don’t have enough to say I feel too young. Uh, I feel not wise enough, not this, not that. So I had this in those nine years, it was constantly on the back burner and until I felt mature enough. You are never probably really mature enough or you’ll never be perfect, but courageous enough, strong enough to step out in front of an audience.
Guy : Mm-hmm.
Thomas: And, um, offer those [00:08:00] teachings. And, um, for the people who were coming, they were right from the start, deeply touched by what I was doing, and I had no comparison because I wasn’t going into other workshops. That’s, that’s the fun part about it. I was working with my one teacher, male and with my one teacher, female, and that’s it.
And, um, since that I’ve never been on another workshop and, um, I’m created a lot of books, cities, meditations, and I always go with the questions, how may that serve the development of a person or a human being on its, um, voyage on Earth? And, and, and I get those wonderful. Um. Themes or topics, um, which then I test and then give to people.
Yeah, that’s pretty much how I work. And what would be I got, please. Sorry. I, I [00:09:00] got guided through a dream to Hawaii, for instance, 1998. Um, I had a very profound dream, um, where I also saw myself teaching. It was 200 people, but it didn’t work the way I, I, I wanted it, there was no, not really spiritual energy in the teaching space.
So I freaked a little inside in the dream, and then my teacher, this white haired mystic, came and put a hand on my shoulder and said, relax, Thomas. You just forgot something in the beginning. So do this, do that, and announce a pause, and then it will just vibrate. And he was right. I did it. Then he said, well, come with me.
I wanna show you something. So he took me to a compartment in that, uh, venue and he was doing, performing a healing ritual with a woman who was sitting [00:10:00] in front of him and another male healer in the back of her. So she was in between on a meditation cushion and she had one hand, like, like this and the other hand to the back, and he was just putting his fingertips on hers.
Like, like, like this? Yeah. And, um, creating a very subtle electrical current, and she fainted. And he said, well, that’s normal. Don’t, don’t, don’t worry, Thomas. This is normal. They’re all faint. And did some healing on her. And then he said, can you, while I’m performing this healing ritual, see one of my guides in my aura?
And I said, Bru, I cannot see auras. Yes you can. No I can’t. Yes you can. No, I can’t. Why don’t you try it? So he was getting angry, as said before, [00:11:00] I, you know, go on a beef with a mystic. I rather try. And suddenly I could see a, uh, uh, a face. Um, it looked brownish, uh, with, with black hair. Very like, like, like full face was grinning and greeting me.
And, um, end of dream. And I woke up and I saw that was a Hawaiian. And then it’s like, what are you doing with that? Are you just thinking, oh, it’s a night stream? For me, it was always like my dreams were guiding me and I was strongly believing in the content of that material. So not only did I try out this, um, healing technique, my on, in my own workshops when they come through like that.
Guy : Wow.
Thomas: But also next morning I went to Hawaii, uh, where I went to the travel agency and said, fly me to Hawaii. So three weeks later, I was in Hawaii in 1998 and I ran into that [00:12:00] phase in my dream, a Hawaii in Kahuna. And his name was, he died two years ago, Alan Oppa. And, uh, he was like the, the holder of a lineage of healers, the chosen one out of 12 siblings from his grandma who was the holder of the lineage.
And since age six, he was initiated. And those mysteries. And he was performing like, like temple massages, five hours long, blowing the alloa into your third eye and, and praying over you. Chanting over you Just, just like being initiated into Hawaii. And I was, had the privilege to have one of these, um, massages and two hours in the massage.
We hadn’t, hadn’t met before. I was turning around and said, Alan, I saw you in my dream three weeks ago. And he went like, and butter. And he had short hair. I said, but you had [00:13:00] long hair like this. And he, he got tears in his eyes and said, my brother, I had long hair like this three weeks ago. I just cut it off.
And he was so touched because his grandma, since he was six, eight years old, had once prophesied to him. He would, when he was. More older and more mature, bring the aloha to Europe. And he had gotten many invitations by many very, very famous people, but never took it ’cause he had waited for a sign from an inner sphere.
And I was coming not knowing about anything and said, I dreamt of you. And, and as you said, there was no internet at that point in time. I’ve never seen that face before. And it was, was never on the, on the letter somewhere. So that was his sign. And um, then later on I was guiding him to Europe, [00:14:00] um, actually to Italy and to Greece.
And we had some markable really remarkable experiences there because he, he was such a blessing for so many people in Hawaii. And then one time he. I don’t know. He went to a hypnotherapist into hypnosis and they, um, inno he would start to speak Greek, uh, and see temples and, and he wanted to go to Greece.
He said, well, come with me to Italy where I do my retreats, the heart initiations, attend a workshops, you offer a massage work. And then we go to Greece, to Delphi, to, to this oracle spot and, and so on and so forth. So it’s, um, I get if push comes to shove and I don’t know anything, it will come in the night.
Guy : Hmm.
Thomas: And many, many times I had all the information in the night. Sometimes my, my brain gets overloaded. So Spirit [00:15:00] has a, you know, little of difficulty to reach me, although I’m quite reachable. But then, then it comes in the night. So it’s, for me, it’s very safe, incredible. I, I go out teaching. I don’t know what I will say. And, um, I have a rough concept about, uh, maybe a talk, maybe a lecture, maybe a weekend. But I’m very open to what comes through and then what we’ll do
Guy : and follow
Thomas: from that. This is the way I, I, I teach.
Guy : Yeah.
Thomas: Amazing. Yes, yes.
Guy : You’ve opened so many questions already and loops, and there’s the, the, the first thing I thought, how freeing is it to, to be having dreams and messages that are so important and real and have significance that you just get up and book a flight the next day? I think, I think there’s a lot of us in, in US that wish that we were that free to be doing that. And I often wonder if we were all living more from that place. [00:16:00]
Thomas: Well, I think, um, we all get those dreams, um, or maybe have those inspirations. It’s like, like we all called in a way. So, so we have this ancient. Motive of the call. So you get a call, well, how do, how do you get a call? Is it someone calls you on the phone? Probably not. You get it on an inosphere, either through a dream, a meditation and insight. But the, the, the, the second step is very important. You have to trust that call. I mean, Joseph Campbell, the big American mythologist who studied maybe every religion, spiritual, past, shamanic way of mankind and, and, and, and found out we are actually, when it comes to, to the evolution of consciousness following a monomyth, studying with a call.
The, the gods are different in Hawaii with the Ks, the Tibetans, the Egyptians, the Greek, so to speak. But, but the, the faces [00:17:00] are the same. And it starts with a call. You get a call, but call means you have to follow your highest dream or your sacred dream, and you have to have the guts, the courage to trust into something where you don’t know at that point in time how it will work out.
You have, so to speak, to leave in a certain way. Your, your village, your habits, your fixations, your obsessions, your this isn’t that into the unknown. Then you get super natural support in those. Uh, in the mono, then you go deep into the unconscious. You have to slay a dragon because he’s sitting on the gold treasure or to, to, uh, go into the unconscious, like, like finding the heart and the darkness.
Uh, why should I do it? I wanna meditate up. No, you also are an emotional being, a sexual being you. How much self-respect, self-worth do you have? How much clan information is there to be transformed? Uh, so you have to [00:18:00] have the guts to go deep in the mystery school teaching the wisdom teaching I provide, we have three major movements.
One is going down into your very depths, finding your heart and darkness in the darkness, so to speak. And one is going up, reconnect with your sacred dream, and then how do you bring into the world? Mm-hmm. So going down, going up and going out. If you want out and about, as you say, probably. And, um. Speak from that and then, and bring it to the people.
That’s beautiful. And, and, and so, um, even if you have reached certain stages of enlightenment or breakthrough, I think the, the, the fulfillment is not sitting in the cave and blissfully grinning yourself into nirvana, but, um, then something happens and you’re sort of forced to bring back the boon to the communities.
So [00:19:00] this sort of passage, which I just shortly described, um, Campbell found out that we have it in every culture. It’s, it’s like a, like, like a map for the evolution of consciousness in the collective, but also in the individual. So what you said is everybody has a call coming on the inner, coming in a dialogue, or suddenly you, you remember something, you get an insight. Spontaneous, sudden knowing this is what I should do. And if you look at the graveyards, all those written things on it, millions of shoulds.
Guy : Yeah,
Thomas: I should have. I heard it. Why didn’t I? Or if you listen to some people who work with some prison inmates, um, jus oloff, American psychic went to a prison in Sacramento and said, ask those 400 women, [00:20:00] um, women prison, uh, well, didn’t you hear a little voice before you went out for that bank robbery or before you get involved with that strange guy, 400 arms go up.
They all heard it, but they didn’t follow. So it’s, it’s not just about hearing it. Um, as you said it, it’s not freedom. I think it’s also you have to have some courage curve, courage, putting the heart into action. A lot of people in the spiritual field because they first do this, uh, movement, uh, outer real reality is not everything. They go to the inner. Yes. But you also have to go out again and not play it against each other. It’s like pressing in and out. So you have to, if you have to have a call, you have to follow through and just go for
Guy : it. Yeah. Yeah. I, I resonate with everything you just said there. And funnily enough, when I [00:21:00] decided to sell my company and step into more, into alignment of what my heart was coming through, courage was my word. Yes. And I actually wrote it down. ’cause I realized I lacked courage to do it. I didn’t know that. Yeah. I was, even though I was having the experiences and I was having these, um, insights and a peek behind the veil, if you like, I, I just, I was just in a place where I was, but the human part of me was just.
Shit himself. So it’s like, no, but I, I, I, but I trusted in something so much bigger that wanted to come through, and the moment I had the courage to act upon it, here I am today, you know, three and a half years later, four years later, and things that can just continue to keep unfolding and, and moving, which is incredible. Yeah. You know?
Thomas: Yes.
Guy : It’s amazing.
Thomas: Exactly.
Guy : Do you, with all your experience and wisdom and, and what you’ve, you’ve gained and, and you continue to, as you’ve evolved, do you believe that we all have a soul’s calling or a soul’s [00:22:00] purpose?
Thomas: Oh, absolutely. I’m sure about it. I, I work on such a deep level with beings or souls. Mm-hmm. And I, I strongly believe that it’s not a belief. Maybe it’s annoying for me. It’s annoying that we have a teleology. So, um, tell us Greek, like, like, like a dream, a goal, um. In our certain way of making this wonderful, remarkable experience on earth. Mm. So it’s just about remembering it. It’s like, um, if you are an oak tree,
Guy : yeah.
Thomas: Well, new archeology will be to become an oak tree. A small one, a big one, crippled one A whatever one. You will not become a a birch or plumeri or whatever. But um, that thing, if you know what it is, life becomes very beautiful [00:23:00] because you are in alignment with, um, what your soul wants to experience. It can be very simple.
It can be like becoming a mother ’cause you never did it before. Maybe you have 10 lifetimes as a nun. Or it can be, in my case, it’s working with a word. I have an access to language, which I cannot explain. It was always there. But I never had the guts to speak it out. I was very shy when I was younger. Um, there’s a lot of performance, exci anxieties, I would say.
The day I’m speaking in front of one, 100, 1000, and it’s very natural. So, um, and, and there’s another one who has the green sump? Who’s likes to, to work with plants or a healer or, um, there was one thing, little story. I was at a, a big, um, new Year’s [00:24:00] gathering was my teacher in those days, 1999 or something.
And I wasn’t teaching at that point in time. Well, 1998, I wasn’t teaching, so I went there. And I was sitting with like eight people, uh, in a large dinner hall in a round table. And opposite of me was an American lady, and we all had name tags, and she had a name tag, um, where her name was written. It said Bibe and I, I never heard about that name.
So I asked, well, you know, that’s a, that’s a nice name. Um, what does it mean and how did you get that name? And she said, oh, Thomas. Oh, she was in her fifties. Oh, you know, when I was a baby, my older brother couldn’t pronounce the word baby. Right. So he said, Bibi, and it stuck with me since that everybody was calling me Bibi.
Okay. So she just said it then her daughter, 21 years old. Rushed into the conversation [00:25:00] and was without, and limb spoke immediately and said, mom, look outside. You should look through the glass window. Um, this lady there, and she could see a maybe 70 something year old lady like sitting like this, like a stick.
She’s an angel channeler. And she just channeled my guardian angel. And, uh, I could put one question forward and, and she was glowing. And then Bebe said, I want that too. Went outside and you could see from the inside that something, not five minutes, she was just sitting there in front of that lady. Her, uh, aura, her field started to glow and she came back like, and I said, well, what happened outside in this five minutes?
And she said, well, Thomas. This lady said, oh, my guardian angel is his name, and so on. And I was allowed to put one [00:26:00] question forward and I said, yeah, what, what, what question? Well, I love to be in the spiritual retreats and confluences, and then there are all these wonderful speakers and therapists who have invented a new form of therapy and healers who have a new way of healing and bestseller authors.
And I’m just, I’m just massaging people from nine to five. But I like to be in that attitude ’cause I can feel it. So my question was to Angel, angel Channel and what, what is my, uh, purpose in life? And the answer from that, um, angel, angel Channel to her was, well, bibe, your purpose in this lifetime is just.
To be and for you to remember that your whole life, your [00:27:00] older brother started to call you, be be when you were a baby. And when she got her name explained like this, she was, she was glowing. And then I went like, I want that too. I went outside, sat in front of that channeling lady, and I was looking into eyes, which were really like sparkling brighter than the universe.
Very, uh, never saw those eyes again. And she said, hello, hello. She said, oh, my guardian angel was, and I was allowed one question and I, I didn’t have a question about my purpose. I had that, but I had a question about partnership soulmates. So. I asked her, well, is there for me, Thomas in this lifetime, [00:28:00] someone like a soulmate and if yes, name, telephone number, and address?
And she was cracking up and said, and it went into and said, and then she comes back with the answer and said, well, the answer is this, dear Thomas, your soulmate is not available at the moment. I was like, shit, what is that for? An answer not available at the moment. Um, but we are working on her and that.
Answer, like, the one who will fit your energy perfectly is not available, but they are working on her, make me crack up. And then many times when I was, uh, being on my pass, um, on my own, I was just going back to the moment and then they will work it out [00:29:00] and it worked out later. So, um, I always run into something.
I get an information, I get a dream, I get a situation with a certain kind of openness, and then it guides me through my life. And after a initiation, which today I offer 10 day initiat retreats where people are getting a heart initiation. Very, very powerful. I was getting one in Arizona and in, uh, 1990.
Seven. And um, that sort of propelled me into a space where I could see my life back and forth space. I never, never, never, ex never had explored before. Complete clarity. No [00:30:00] illusion. I could see like, like, like these diagrams, if you go this way, then this fault will come and if you go this way, this fault will come or you go that way.
Or this for will come. Like, like all the different possibilities you have based on your decisions. And it is as if one of those passes through this diagram carries the most powerful light and has the most heart to it. So my intent is to walk that one. I cannot guarantee that I’m always on it. Maybe I’m sometimes a little off, then I move back and course correct. But my intention is 100% pure. This is the way I wanna live my life.
Guy : Wow. And on your 10 day, uh, heart initiations, I’m, I’m fascinated by heart initiation. And it’s the heart that you work into. Yes. Do you mind talking a little bit more to that? Yeah. And also [00:31:00] 10 days. What would you get at, like by the end of the 10 days? Is that what we, we would get out of it by seeing that, that sole purpose, that line, that light, that I guess, thread to, to follow that
Thomas: was probably, well, that was probably an experience. Mm-hmm. Which I had, but what we would get is you would, when we are talking about the heart of the heart center, most people talking about it in a very metaphorical sense.
Mm-hmm. Power of the heart, spirit of the heart, art, all sorts of. Let’s say linguistic references. But, um, in this 10 days, people will have a, an experience, a referential experience where for the first time in their life in this, um, strengths or in this sort of vibration, they will have it vibrate [00:32:00] here and they will feel completely blissed through.
And this, I guarantee them and I, once they’re open enough, like they, they don’t consciously go against it. Um, I will get them there. It’s like a choreography. I have some very challenging exercises, which are, are to open them up and some very uplifting exercises and, and, and it’s all culminating in the last four days where.
I will do with them and the group and the individuals, those, um, initiat initiations and, um, it’s all about becoming receptive enough to open enough, um, courageous enough, fearless enough risking, um, that you do not have the control of the situation in that sense. ’cause see, the ancient idea of initiation [00:33:00] is you come as a person, you go into something which we would call the threshold, and then you have to jump on your own into something.
Transpersonal you, you come as the ego threshold, you receive the full blessing of the soul. That is the ancient idea. And in those 10 days, this ancient motive is put into real life. Physical experience. And that, um, once you have that signature of how it vibrates, how it feels, you then afterwards can reconnect in your daily meditation practice and sort of weave it into your everyday endeavors.
Because my take on spirituality is not, oh, we have some, uh, highlight experiences on a seminar and then, you know, everyday life we’re, um, living something completely different. [00:34:00] And, and I don’t mean that you, you have to have a spiritual lifestyle. You can live as a soldier or banker, but it, it, it’s all, uh, it all comes down.
Does your way have a heart or not, no matter where you are or what you are. And that, um, in the past, we, we have a tendency to. Um, play spiritual ways against each other. We have the imminent ways who say, well, um, you are already there. You just have to notice it, so to speak. The, the, the Dante ways. You have the transcendent ways where they say you are here seven steps, and then there’s enlightenment, nine milestones, eight gates.
Um, and then we play it against each other. But I think, um, nowadays we, I, I very [00:35:00] much, um, speak for a third way, which is not to be or to do, but to become, to become who you really are. To become that which is already, um, uh, as a blueprint in yourself and, and through your decisions, you, you become a stronger oak tree or plum tree or birch tree, or whatever it is. Which, which is in you as a sacred dream, who wants to weave itself into the world. Yeah.
Guy : Beautiful. It, it really is, isn’t it? It, it’s, it’s, for me, I’ve found it’s really about becoming aware and, and checking in with yourself on a daily basis. ’cause we can, we can lose sight, like you say, we can have practices and we can do it, but there’s, there’s a, I’ve found there’s a way of, um, having to embody that, those practices, so they, they show up in your actions and your intent and, and the very things that you, the choices that you make on a daily basis where, um, where the real [00:36:00] rubber meter road kind of thing. You know,
Thomas: you said a very important word, embodying. ’cause I, I also, um, noticed that in the eighties, eighties, nineties until 2000, um, there were a lot of spiritual movements. Uh, targeted with the idea of leaving the body. Um, they wanted to ascend ascension mysteries. They, they, they, you know, go into the light body, go into the fifth dimension, leaving the body, um, waiting for the next Starship to come, whatever the idea was.
Um, since 2000, um, there’s a, another movement which is much more focused on embodying. And, um, what I’m doing is, and, and, um, I must speak of that sort of movement if you want, because I think I know how it is if you go out, yes. We will go [00:37:00] out when we die anyway. Yeah. We don’t have to worry about it. But bringing heaven down to earth, bringing spirit into matter, bringing the soul, the presence of the soul, the full presence into the body and into our lives.
That is from my perspective, uh, almost like the next evolutionary step of mankind. So embodiment and, um, I, or full being, fully incarnated if you want. I believe there are stages of inclination, which we haven’t, uh, yet reached that we could become more consciously incarnated in the body. Being able to heal with our thoughts, being able to maneuver the forces of our heart or our spirit in the body, and perform things which we now call miracles, which in a couple of, um, decades will be through practice and training, [00:38:00] be every day, every day’s business.
So we are like, like putting away the, the, the veils, um, of mysteries which were covered since centuries for human beings. That makes this time very, um, special and adventurous. And we are also maybe the tip on the scale of the evolution of Gaia or the planet because we have the power to blow it up and destroy it or not, or we will be.
I don’t know, a controlled by artificial intelligence is, which we created as human beings in 2050. So there are a lot of crossroads things right now, um, which are decided by humans, individuals, and collectives, which are very, very, uh, important. Yeah, everybody is important. Every heart is important. So we, we are like a, [00:39:00] a net of, of little light sparks around the earth.
Every heart, um, of an individual being, um, radiating like this or like this, or like this. But every, every heart is important because that, sorry, that is like a, uh, an energy which the earth needs to heal at this point in time. From my perspective, the, um, there was, there’s an ancient prophecy 5,000 years ago from the ies, which said.
In a time when the earth will, when Gaia, the mother of the earth, will shed their tears, the rainbow warriors will stand up and speak. And that time is now, we all have to become in a certain way that rainbow warrior of the heart, of the soul of the spirit. We have to speak up [00:40:00] and, um, not let duller voices in the, which are loud, but but have a dull consciousness.
Um, let’s, um, uh, spa that planet. I hear you. I hear you. The, um, I’m not a politician. I’m working with the individuals, but, but I think it, in the end, it’s all
Guy : tied together. Yeah. 100%. It is. Absolutely. I couldn’t agree anymore. The, with your experience, ’cause you’ve been doing this work over a, a long period of time, you would’ve seen changes Yes. In, yes. I’m guessing the way people are turning up to this work, are you finding more and more people are just open and ready to embrace this work, say now than they were 10 years ago? Is that happening? Yeah.
Thomas: Yes, I would say so. And I would say also through [00:41:00] this, what you are doing, podcast online congresses, um, all this topics are going into niches which, um, they haven’t covered before. So in that sense, yes, more and more people are coming. Um, I think I, I also, um, have my marketing team.
They, they always say me, well, there’s still, uh, way more women than men doing it. In the whole spiritual book market, online wise, this and that. And, um, that’s maybe a little, little bit of a pity because I think that there are so many men having courageous hearts. They just don’t, um, know how to deal with that spiritual linguistics, so to speak.
They have another way to express it, to protect the family or to provide something, or to [00:42:00] being this carpenter with a, with a golden heart that is, um, not seen as spiritual. But from my perspective, it is highly spiritual. However, such a person would probably not find the way into a hard workshop where it’s about spirit and spirituality, because the linguistic doesn’t sound familiar to him.
So that’s a little bit of a pity. I feel sometimes because I like to work with Yeah. Men and women alike. And it’s always great if groups are, um, having, it’s massive. It’s massive,
Guy : isn’t it? And I, I have to say like, this podcast is being phenomenal in terms of people just tuning in, in their own time, listening to when they’re in traffic, they, they don’t have to tell anyone. They’re like, oh shit, I’m gonna tune into this hippie dippy Welsh one. Right? That’s out in Australia talking about [00:43:00] these conversations. Or maybe in their mind, but when they’re there listening. There, there’s, there’s a, there’s a genuine conversation, there’s a genuine heart connection, and there’s, I think, a deeper understanding.
And for me, it’s so important. Yes. Especially as a man as well, to be having these conversations and putting them out freely to people to start to tune in and listen to it, and hopefully encourage them to come and look at this work more. I mean, we’ve had ex policemen, we’ve had Xbox, we’ve had ex rugby.
I’m an ex rugby player. Like it’s, and as far as I’m, you know, being, well, of course, um, but this is, this has been by far the, the, the hardest and most courageous part to take. But it’s also been the most rewarding and beautiful, and has allowed me to find more purpose in my life than I would ever have dreamed of when I first started life. And I’m, I’m like. Yes. It’s too good not to, to tell people [00:44:00] at the end of the day.
Thomas: I think, yeah, I think a lot of people who are also working with people like, like in psychiatry, in the healing professions as nurses, doctors, if they could switch over to transpersonal, transpersonal energy, um, they would not burn out.
And, um, what you just, just said with all the examples of the different folks, we, we were educated as kids, not to use transpersonal energy. We were just using personal skills, but not the, the excesses to transpersonal, um, energies, which are endless. There’s no limit to it, limitless. So once we connect to that.
We, we have a different access. And the other thing is, um, how can we decondition [00:45:00] ourselves from structures which are limiting us? Those may, may be emotional habits, physical habits, things which go through family clan. Since two, four generations, I have a piece of work called Seven Generations where we conduct a three hour workshop with very strong ceremony where people locate in the physical system, um, in informations which are no longer beneficial to the enfoldment of their soul.
Coming out of the family lineages, not meaning that we be, we judge, uh, the parents or the grandparents, not at all being very thankful that we have this gift of our body, but at the same time, realizing that. Um, the informations they have, they are not always, uh, beneficial at this point in time. We are a generation [00:46:00] or the upcoming generations, which, which are, um, transforming in one lifetime more than others in 20.
It’s, it’s, it’s enormous and we cannot work with those techniques or experiences, which people before us had. And, and if you, um, look at that, that, uh, certain families, which where you have to always the same sort of cancer, always the same sort of religious narrowness, always the same sort of, of greediness for money or suicidal behavior or addiction or, or even attitude towards God, or not God or Claes, or not this and that.
And, um, if you detect it. And transform it through seven generations. You can free yourself up in a pretty [00:47:00] remarkable way, deconditioning yourself and becoming way more free and, and who you are, who you really are, beyond the fact that you have a body which has been implemented with informations from the female lineage and the male lineage.
Guy : And how liberating
Thomas: is that?
Guy : And then you, you re, you realize, you, you
Thomas: connected back to that’s
Guy : true self.
Thomas: That’s like,
Guy : oh, there’s more of me in here.
Thomas: Yeah. Yes, absolutely. You are not bound to relive, uh, the same disease or the same tragedy or the same thing which your forefather, uh, did, or your grandmother, whatever. And then that goes, goes very deep here in Germany. Well, I also do a lot of teachings. Um, everybody has [00:48:00] World War II and World War I and this genetics. So let’s, let’s say you are now, um, 20-year-old woman. You’ve fallen in love with a wonderful Russian doctor, but your grandma has been raped by Russians.
Wow. And it’s in the genetic, so there’s your heart for your lab, for your guy, and there’s all, there’s an information in yourself which says, uh, uh, every Russian is bad. Every Russian is bad, so to speak. So, um, things like that around money, around nations, around, um, gender-based prejudices. Money-based prejudices, uh, spirit based religious prejudices.
Information is about how to become ill or not. I studied that also [00:49:00] at my lineage. And I must say, um, the, the man, the male lineage carries some information, which is not beneficial at all for me. They have a very, um, they have a habit, which I really don’t like because that habit is they never become older than 39 and they always die Wow.
With a head injury. Wow. Now, here I inate, happy camper, and, um, age 38. I hear it, talking in myself. Well, Thomas, why don’t you put yourself out of the window while you drive? Um. And run against a letter or something, uh, milepost. It’s like, um, you, you have informations, um, which you don’t know about, you don’t know anything about.
[00:50:00] And, um, I did that work with so many people. It’s very, very freeing because you can really locate this information in the physical system and you can also Amazing. Do you do that in group settings or just one-on-one or, I do that with, um, 100, 200, 300 people in a space. And it’s very, uh. It, it, um, how do you say? It takes a lot of strengths. People are really exhausted afterwards, but Wow. Blessed
Guy : incredible. I, um, I, I ask everyone questions on the show, which I’m gonna ask in a sec, but before I jump in, I was, I’m fascinated as well. Um, ’cause you have a lot of workshops. Like I was looking on your website today. I was like, boy, Thomas keeps himself very busy.
Thomas: Yes.
Guy : And, um,
Thomas: I think, I think I created 180 different workshops
Guy : Wow.
Thomas: In the last decades or something. It’s.[00:51:00] I decided to use brilliant. My creative juices kind of,
Guy : and I, one called my eye, and I don’t have conversations on the podcast much, but I, I just wanna raise it and even if you just speak to it for a few minutes, was the, the pineal gland? Yes. You, you got a work three hour workshop on the pinene gland, I think you called it pineal. Well, is it tomorrow?
Thomas: Yes, actually I do one tomorrow and, and three, five. What,
Guy : what’s drawn
Thomas: you to do
Guy : a workshop on that?
Thomas: Well, it’s the same thing. I stumble into an experience,
Guy : right?
Thomas: Well, of course I was working with a third eye, um, all my time, but I was not putting special dedication or focus on the pineland because, uh, I have a scientific background. I have an ma yes, also worked on university for a short period of time, but I’m more interested in, [00:52:00] in those experiences and not in our thoughts about it.
So, um, 2014, I went with a group of consciousness pioneers to Arizona, um, and, uh, Sedona. And we, we were doing a workshop called Great Mystery and um, sitting on Native American Indian Land, bell Rock, it’s called the Vortex. And I was meditating for two hours with that group. And, um, all of a sudden, very unexpected, um, in that meditation in front of my inner eye and Native American Indian delegation appeared three, four people.
And they showed me a healing technique. And this is something which is not normal for me. I don’t go into nature and people appear and show me something. And it’s also not imagined. ’cause I was sitting there like, like completely open, but, but not thinking about anything. It was [00:53:00] just there. And that healing technique implied to imagine a, a, uh, a drop o over your crown, a drop, liquid drop.
And you should slowly, very slowly let it sink in, into the center of your head and keep it there. And for that you should, um, sort of. Imagine a a, uh, uh, uh, a frame or a containment where it would be the center of it. A sort of containment. It could be like this, it could be all around the world, but that should be the center and you, you should keep with your consciousness.
This drop in that space in the middle of the head. That sounds pretty strange. How, how can I keep a drop? Not from just, um, dispersing, but that was the technique. And, [00:54:00] um, I was so touched by it. I, I was crying and, and sort of thing, and then I was writing a meditation on it and practicing it with people.
And then I realized, well, that’s right where the pineal gland is. So I kept researching the pineal gland and, uh, found. Of course, different techniques from other ways, from yogic ways for special techniques where you can connect it with your breath and, and sort of milk it ’cause it has this Pietro electric effect and so on and so forth.
So I, in my life, it’s like this. I make an experience and then I study it has always been like this. And then I feel so blessed that it works like this because it’s, that makes the teaching very fresh. You know, I, I don’t, um, have like, like a scratch board, oh, I have to do this, uh, theme or [00:55:00] that topic. They, they all, like, for instance, another workshop.
I sit with a lot of people in a, uh, retreat called Sacred Heart, honeys Heart Initiation, 10 days. And suddenly everybody who was sitting there speaks of their terrible relationship to their mother. And I say, oh my goodness, now they are here all together. So in that moment, I have to create out of that, uh, problem or challenge or space, a ritual or ceremony, meditation, uh, which is called Mother Healing.
And then, um, later I study why do people have such terrible relationships? Or how can I do a workshop without it? But it always comes first that the topic comes to me through a situation and then I do a workshop. Amazing.
Guy : It’s, it’s, it is, it’s truly amazing. It’s so liberating as well. Yeah. And like, it’s like, like you said at the start of the podcast, it’s so freeing. [00:56:00] Yes. When you, you come from this place and, and, and we’re from that place. Yeah.
Thomas: Yes. I, I once met in Switzerland. I met a guy from Holland who said I was in Arizona as well. I was camping with my daughter. And we were just outside of the cells, uh, a tent, uh, preparing breakfast. And I heard a voice stepped five meters in front of you right now, and you just took the daughter and did it.
And then a huge boulder crashed on the tent. So it’s like, um, and since that, he believes in God in a different way. So it’s like we are all connected to those, um, spheres, uh, levels, dimensions, which you may call higher self spirit, soul, God, however your belief system is. And then [00:57:00] I invite people from all sorts of belief systems.
I, I don’t mind that there’s a Christ, there’s a Buddhist, there’s a Hindu, is there’s a shaman, shaman, there’s an atheist in my course. Um, I all invite them to do the exercises and plan to give a feedback how it was for them. And some exercise may be good for you, but not good for me. And the other is good for me, but not for you because we are different.
But there always, there always will be some which will deeply touch you to the core. That’s the idea of coming together. Why should we come together? Lecturing can be done on the internet or in the book, but if you wanna make an experience, you have to come together in a certain way and, and, and just go for it and then jump into it and be courageous and free about it. And don’t care about what the teacher says or things and just do it for yourself. That man,
Guy : true. That beautiful.
Thomas: That’s how we do it.
Guy : Thomas, I, um, I ask a few questions on the show and I’d love to know before we [00:58:00] wrap things up. And one is, um, what does your morning routine look like?
Thomas: My morning routine is I get up, um, shower la lala, and then I do 20 minutes of heart centered meditation practice every morning. Before I go for breakfast
Guy : mm-hmm.
Thomas: May, maybe I’ll prepare a coffee because I like the smell in the room when I do it. Um, but that’s what I do and that’s also when I do longer retreats. We start at seven and we do 20 minutes of meditation. Having a look with the day will be, um, centering and the qualities of the heart or just, I do it a little different Right. Every day. But that’s how I start. If
Guy : you, um, I get different answers for this as well, but if, if you could have dinner with someone, anyone from any timeframe anywhere in the world, or even have a few people and have a conversation, who do you think you’d have on there [00:59:00] and why?
Thomas: I would, I would like to talk, uh, personally with Tony Robbins because I like him. I like his energy and he has a certain gift, uh, which I would describe as. Hmm. Passionate certainty and, um, I love that. Um, I would like to talk to him about it, so if he sees it, Tony,
Guy : that would be great. He’d be a good guy.
Thomas: I’m here. I have
Guy : no doubt, no doubt at all. Um, what, um,
Thomas: yes.
Guy : What does the future hold for you, Thomas, right now? Like, the world’s been upside turned, upside down, you know, that it’s, uh, there’s, there’s uncertainty everywhere, but what, what do you see yourself next five, 10 years? Or is it literally day by day for you and just continuing to bring the work out?
Thomas: Yeah. Um, I would say [01:00:00] it’s, for me, it’s just the next step and being focused on that one. Of course, I, I could see myself teaching even more and, and, and, um, maybe more in the English speaking countries. I will do that, but it’s not that, um, my mind is circling around it a lot. Um, there’s a very ancient motive by the, uh, native American Indian tribes of the southwest.
It’s called Men in the Maze. You, you see it on, on, it’s this man who’s standing up and then there’s a maze. And, um, the future is a little bit like a maze. You don’t know it, it’s unpredictable. And, um, when you’re in the mace, the, the thing is the, the, your mantra is, or the, the mystery, the clues trust in your very next step.
Always. Trust in the next [01:01:00] step, it will be one step more to the center. So, um, I do my, my part in developing heart consciousness all over the place. It can be through a book, through a talk, through a movie, through an online course. And I’m very passionate about exploring those techniques, um, which encompas healing storytelling or regular work, dream work.
So it’s very, as you’ve noticed, broad, but, but there’s a, there’s a energetic threat in it, which is coming out of the heart. So I sort of weave on a golden threat out of the mystery school teachings, which I got from consciousness giants before me, in which I intend to give to other people, um, after me.
That’s the way I see myself. So, and the other thing is something I [01:02:00] may already have answered with that prophecy of 5,000 years ago. I think we all have to speak up. So this is my vision for the nearer future as Rainbow Warriors, because it is so, it is needed. Everybody has to speak from, yeah. This part from Rainbow Warrior Warriors.
Guy : I love that. I’m gonna remember that. Absolutely. And la last question, Thomas. Mm-hmm. Um, with everything we’ve covered on the show today, is there anything you’d like the listeners to leave the listeners to ponder on?
Thomas: It’s never too late to have a happy childhood. Well, not really. It’s, we have so many stories. Um, about ourselves and what happened and how traumatized, and this isn’t that, but there’s a space in [01:03:00] yourself which is beyond all those stories and, um, you can touch into it. It’s about becoming very present, connects to real energy and, um, this sort of happiness is a decision you make.
It’s a decision. It’s not like a gift you get, it’s a decision to become happy. So if I would’ve to say something as, as a, uh, last message is decide to become a happy camper. It’s very much possible. No matter what, the earth comes down, the sky is exploding. No need to be unhappy until that very second.
Guy : beautiful place to end the show. Thomas. I, um, where can I send people, uh, to your website? I’ll, I’ll make sure. I’ll link in the show notes if people wanna come and check out more of your work.
Thomas: Yes, absolutely.
Guy : And, um, I’m assuming you’ve got things [01:04:00] online as well, ’cause obviously most of your workshops in Europe where most people here will be listening in Australia. But, um,
Thomas: you invite been here before I come and
Guy : we’ve been to Australia.
Thomas: We rock Australia. Um, I’ve been to Brisbane Wow. For one and a half hours on a flight in New
Guy : Zealand. Must come one day. It’s a beautiful place. It really is. It really is. To Thomas, thank you so much Yes. For coming on the show today. I, I deeply appreciate it. It’s been wonderful to connect with you and I, I, I love that conversation and, uh, I have no doubt everyone, my pleasure listening today would’ve got a lot out of it too. So thank you.
Thomas: As we say in Hawaii, until we meet again.
