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Sabrina:
I always felt lost. I was always seeking something. I couldn’t name it, but it was just a deep loneliness, and now I understand I wasn’t embodying myself. That primordial trauma always circles back in the relationships that we have today, but the deeper core, if you don’t touch it, that person will always experience a sense of emptiness. We are spheres of light and we are sovereign. Cosmic trauma. Primordial trauma. It needs to be cleared and then that light can flow.

Guy:
Today I’m sitting down with Sabrina, and this is a conversation about what happens when you realize you’ve been living as someone that isn’t really you. Does that sound familiar? And what it actually takes to truly come back to yourself, if you’ve ever had that feeling that something’s just slightly off. Like you’re not fully present, not here. You’ll get a lot out of this today. I promise you. This one does take a minute to land, but once it opens up, it goes deep fast. So stay with it. But I would recommend giving it your full attention, this one as there’s a lot. There’s a lot in here, I promise. And I also, I just wanna give a shout out to Sabrina because after recording this episode, they ended up doing a session with her remotely, of course.

’cause she’s in Belgium. But, and I purely wanted to do it ’cause I could feel that something was very real there and what she brings to the table. Anyway, enjoy this episode. It’s a great one.

Guy:
Sabrina, welcome to the podcast.

Sabrina:
Hi. Hi, Guy. Thank you for having me. I’m bored. I’m very

Guy:
yeah, and I apologize that Yeah, I’ve kept you up so late. I had no idea the time difference, but, um,

Sabrina:
Oh, I chose the timing, so it’s

Guy:
yeah. Beautiful. You’re in Belgium, right?

Sabrina:
Yes, I am.

Guy:
Fantastic. Well, look, I stumbled across you, uh, invited you on the, the podcast and I love to start the podcast like this. But if you were at a intimate dinner party or you’re in a, with a group of strangers and somebody asks you what you did for a living, how would you respond?

Sabrina:
Um, I usually respond in a very simple way. Um, but I, I. What I do is I work with people and I tap into the, the core pattern of the soul. So I don’t do the usual therapy, healing, reading, et cetera. I dive into the core of the soul and I seek, I look for that, that vibration, and then, um. Patterns that evolve from there, uh, trauma, et cetera, patterns, distortions, um, we heal them together. So basically what I say to people is I start from the root where our soul came into existence, and from there we go. Our, we ascend back into the now and we, we align with, with that original hum. Uh, I was listening. I, I was listening to a documentary, I think it was last weekend. It was a, uh, it was a professor at the university here in astronomy, and she said she loved to look at the stars, and I didn’t know that.

And then she, she, they asked her why, and she said, because every star has a specific sound. I didn’t know that, but that’s exactly what I do with people. I listen to the sound of the soul and then that sound, I know how it sounds. So when I work with them, I work in, in that period of time towards regaining that exact same vibration. So that’s, that’s what I do.

Guy:
Okay. That’s opening up two direct paths for me already. One is like to go down this vibrational sound of the soul, but firstly it’s, what I’m curious about is how do you get to the point in your own life that you’re able to tune in and listen to the, the vibrational sound of the soul of somebody else to be able to get to that root because Yeah.

Sabrina:
I had my own long journey.

Guy:
As, as we all do.

Sabrina:
As, I think as everyone. So I did a lot of things. I did myself a lot of, I underwent a lot of therapy, I did a lot of courses, I did healing courses, reading courses, retreats, et cetera. I am a therapist, I am a child therapist as well. And at a certain point I was feeling a ceiling. I, I knew, okay, I, I want to go deeper, but I can’t. Um, and that is why I. Where I went, people couldn’t help me. So at a certain point I sat down ’cause I felt something wanted to come and I just, I call it downloading, but it, it, it, I, I had to sit down, but I, I knew it needed to come from me. So I downloaded transmissions, I call it Venus slide.

And while I was listening to it, it purified me and I’ve been doing them with people as well. And it’s. It’s actually that, which helped me. But what we do, usually what we create is always in first instance for ourselves. Right? That’s what, that’s how I

Guy:
Wa, was it a pain in your life that was driving you to lean into the retreats and the courses and the spiritual work initially?

Sabrina:
Hmm.

Guy:
curiosity basis or were you having experiences like what, what.

Sabrina:
I always felt lost. I never really felt, um, well rooted in my body. I felt lost, felt I was always seeking something. And, um, yeah, I wasn’t happy with what I, what I was living. I felt that what I was living was flat. Uh, I had everything materially, but I wasn’t living. Any depth, at least what, what I wanted. Um, I guess that was the pain that I was living. So I call it this existential tiredness.

Guy:
Yeah.

Sabrina:
You know, how would that resonates? But that’s actually what I felt during my entire childhood. Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah. And I, I’ve no doubt many people will relate to that. That’s, uh, that’s my childhood, just feeling lost and never really, always on the outskirts looking in as opposed to being able to do what everyone else was doing and, and commit to that path that we kind of, um. Shown of this is how it’s supposed to be, you know, and from that there was a stirring, I, I’m curious as well, so in the, the, that evolution of yourself and you, you, you said that there was a point where you wanted to go deeper and you started to connect to the venous light as well, and.

Sabrina:
It’s not the planet Venus.

Guy:
Yeah,

Sabrina:
But it’s it.

Guy:
talk to me about that transition as well. ’cause I, I feel like people are leaning into this work. They’re trying to evolve themselves, but obviously it starts to bring, uh, stuff up as well that we have to deal with and move past. But getting to that

Sabrina:
What, what I was, yeah. What I was doing at that time in my life, I, I was a MEbA teacher, so I was it. Activating people MEbA consciousness. Um, so this, this light body work, and I really loved it. It was very, I enjoyed giving these workshops. Um, you

Guy:
you’re gonna, you’re gonna explain, but can you explain to everyone what the MER bar is before an activating the light body before you go further?

Sabrina:
Oh,

Guy:
Because you lose people, I promise you. Yeah.

Sabrina:
Oh, you don’t, maybe, do you want me to go this technical? Or,

Guy:
You’d break it down a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, what’s the Merkaba?

Sabrina:
so. So the Merkaba, you have a physical body, and around those physical bodies are several other bodies. Uh, in our, and what we did, I was working with Johan, uh, he was a teacher in the Netherlands. So there were, there was this angelic body, uh, a angelic body. Uh, there were some body. Um, the, and then you had the moon body, the solar body, uh, the galactic, the universal bodies. Um, so I was working in, in that kind of protocol, I would say. And, uh, I enjoyed it and I did that from 2012 until 2020. But at a certain point I felt, okay, this is, this is great expanded consciousness and I’m enjoying it however. I don’t feel, um, something within me is missing. Something within me is missing. I’m, I’m going to try to explain this really well. What was I feeling? I was feel, I, I, I felt expanded and I felt that I was, you know, seeing things differently, experiencing reality differently. I felt different than I did before, better, but I, something I had this loneliness in me.

This un, I couldn’t name it, but it was just a deep loneliness. And what, and, and now I understand. I wasn’t embodying myself. My, my core. I wasn’t embodying that. And I, I was still having this deeper lay, this deeper layers of trauma. I, I was out there in all these layers, you know, but not in my deep, deep soul.

Guy:
I hear you and I understand, and I gotta close the loop in my mind. And for the listeners. ’cause then are you saying those other bodies are part of the ME bar and that you’re, you’re activating them per se, that’s given you the,

Sabrina:
also, it’s, it’s, it’s, these are your light bodies. So a light body has many, many layers and if you look at it from the three dimensional viewpoint, uh, the earthly one, well. That perspective, we have many layers within it. Yeah.

Guy:
And the MEChA bar is the name for the light body. Then you have multiple layers in it. Is that what you would say?

Sabrina:
We, uh,

Guy:
Okay. Okay.

Sabrina:
yeah, it’s like a vessel. The markup is a light vessel that allows you to travel to, to light travel, for instance.

Guy:
light travel.

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
Okay.

Sabrina:
Um, yeah, but the MEbA, we could, for instance, visit etheric retreats around the earth. You know, if you wanted to re visit the retreat of Sun Kamara with that expanded consciousness, you could

Guy:
Okay, so, so, so when you say light travel, so as a, we are consciousness, we are light, and we’re using a body to experience physical form. So what you’re saying is, is that we can get into expanded states through the mer bar light body. That’s then allowing us to take our consciousness somewhere else and move that light. So then we could be having a direct experience of, in an expanded state, in a, in a different. Space is that.

Sabrina:
to the beauty of it was you went, for example, to the Temple of the Enes and there. You know, I saw and felt there were beings all over there. I actually received my daughter there. That was a beautiful experience, and I didn’t even know I was pregnant. So you visit those places and you receive healing. There’s water there everywhere, so water, but in different substances. It’s light, it’s etheric water. So water is healing in, in etheric retreats that are not earthly. Um, and there are many beings there that help you.

Guy:
so all this though is on a different resonance, right? It’s on a different field. So I’m just trying to really ground it for people so they understand because this is fabulous. This is why I knew to, to get you on the show.

Sabrina:
But at a certain point, you know, you had, you have retreats in the, in the in, in certain tones. Between the third and the fourth, uh, um, dimension and the fifth and the sixth and the seventh and et cetera. But at a certain point what I saw was, and what, what they showed me is that retreats were coming more closer and closer to the earth. So I knew the light higher frequencies, you know, the expanded states where the lighter be, the lighter being lived, that was descending more where we are now. So I knew time will accelerate. I knew, you know. It’s time to do this here. We don’t need to be there anymore. They’re, they, they are coming here. That is what I literally saw.

Guy:
So the,

Sabrina:
And now that I’m talking about this, maybe that is why I made that switch. It’s interesting.

Guy:
no, it’s, it’s fascinating because the one thing I’ve kind of lent into on my own exploration, ’cause I’ve had multiple experiences where I’ve expanded beyond myself being in different realms, had these. Like this is as real as this conversation. What the hell is going on here? And then to, to, to come back and, but felt like there’s these teach-ins. But when I initially lent in, it felt like it was an opportunity to escape what I didn’t wanna deal with here as opposed, as opposed to actually look at the fundamental reasons why I am here and to really ground myself and bring myself into experience. And all that is offered to offer. In our reality,

Sabrina:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
to ideally bring that more of the expanded self in to create more of heaven on earth as opposed to escaping Earth to try and find heaven.

Sabrina:
Yeah. I think in a way, you know, it’s. I, I truly enjoyed it and it has been so beneficial to me. But if I see myself now and I compare myself with, then I, I am much more grounded and I am, I integrated the light into my life. I translated it, I changed my life, so it was aligned with, with my soul. And in that MEbA story, I wasn’t doing that.

Guy:
Hi. It’s amazing. Yeah, yeah.

Sabrina:
kind of like escaping, but,

Guy:
No, no, for sure. I’m talking about my more, my, my journey. That’s what it I realized as opposed to,

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
where, how, when you’re having those expanded experiences and you go around the world teaching this and you know. The life expand, teaching people how to activate and expanding the light bulby and, and actually light travel and things like that. What’s that doing to you on the day to day? How are you living your life when these experiences are happening? Does everything just feel so

Sabrina:
Back

Guy:
then? Yeah.

Sabrina:
was nice because, you know what? I remember at a certain point, uh, we were working with Elim Angels and there’s Elim Angel that’s called O Oceania, and at a certain point we were working with that energy because you were going into that real, and in my room where I was working with those people. The entire room. There was this band of water. It was that high from the ground and that high from the ceiling, but it was all water. So how did I live my life? There were moments of magic that we don’t experience to that extent here.

Guy:
Trailer.

Sabrina:
Life now. now I’m more into, I am presence, embodiment. I am more into translating my, my highest potential and embodiment here. It’s maybe, it’s, it is less magical because it’s, it’s my soul. At least that’s where I am right now. You know, I, I, we could again, co-create with those beings, but I chose to first do all that I needed to not bypass. Anymore. ’cause that’s what I felt I was bypassing.

Guy:
So I’m just trying to understand what you just said then. So are you, are you saying, and please correct me if I’m completely wrong, but that there were aspects of your soul that still required healing to fully embody the I am presence within yourself. But at the time, you were kind of leaving that to one side and using the channel in and the inter dimensional beings and everything else to be working to helping people as opposed to, so there’s still parts of ourselves that. Haven’t been fully integrated, but we can be off over a year working with all these beings and not really

Sabrina:
Yeah,

Guy:
those aspects of ourselves first.

Sabrina:
that’s what I

Guy:
Yeah. Interesting. Interesting.

Sabrina:
And even, even while giving a workshop and igniting and activating other people, each workshop that I gave, it gave something back to me. So I was also healing, but not in the intense way that I’m doing right now or that I have done in the last couple of, in the last five years, I would say.

Guy:
Wow. When, when you, when you made the decision to really like lean into these last five years where you fully embody your I Am presence then. What happened? Did your life fall apart? Did you just like, did you like, or does it just integrate nicely and steadily? How does your nervous system cope as well? ’cause, ’cause one thing I find I’m finding is that even in like, because I’m holding space for a lot of people and that the energy is coming more, more through and my body is continually like. Um, learning and adapting and getting into the nooks and crannies, if you like, of things that need releasing. But at the same time, there’s elements where I get to where my nervous system I know doesn’t feel safe. There’s like a, a reaction point to that, and it’s like, whoa. You know? And then the whole body can overdrive,

Sabrina:
When,

Guy:
you

Sabrina:
right. When do you feel that, when you, when you’re holding

Guy:
Not when I’m holding space. No. In my own personal experiences then yeah.

Sabrina:
Hmm. Okay. So how, um. What I felt is that I broke down several, several times. I crumbled several, several times. My realities just crumbled several times, and I, I rebuilt myself several times from new perspectives, new feelings, new ways of being. Mm, what I learned. I am still learning is that we have so many realities. And so each time I dissolve, uh, each time that I go further, I am aware that I was living in a reality that at that time was aligned, but now it’s no longer. So MEbA was multidimensionality Now. While I was going into my own thing, my venous light is my own thing. I deconstructed multidimensionality. I, I I took all my multidimensional selves and I brought it back home.

So there is, there is no fragmentation. And so while you bring that all in, all these aspects and you know, I could go on telling about it, but all these multidimensional aspects, they, they are a part of my soul. Yours as well. So your, your multidimensional aspects, but you have a core vibration, right? And so all these dimensional selves have, have a vibration, but slightly maybe, you know, like slightly, maybe 10% off. Not 10%, but if, if, if you have 360 degrees, maybe 10 degrees off. So, so there’s always something different about every vibration. And so it means that they have a different reality view and when you bring them all in, you start, you start dissolving them, and then you come back to one hum, one reality, one way of living, one way of being.

And, and how was that? Um, I became lighter physically, you know, even my bones. It was very strange. Um, and I, emotionally it became very, very simple. Um, my desires, I, I don’t have many anymore. Other than just being present and content and, you know, in, in good company with people I appreciate, and I, at a certain point, I couldn’t project anything in the future anymore because for me, there was no, I didn’t know what I want. I just enjoyed it now, and I still do. I, I don’t have specific desires or ambitions anymore. Um, I have to function as a human, so I work, et cetera. I have to earn my money and, and take care of my children. But, um, I am really viscerally physically in the now, spiritually, emotionally, mentally, that changed and I didn’t know that that was possible.

Guy:
Yeah. Beautiful.

Sabrina:
You know, we usually have plans, you know, we usually have ambitions or goals or. Something that we want. I don’t have that.

Guy:
But that

Sabrina:
It’s becoming very simple.

Guy:
that, that could. That could scare people though the thought of, you know, like, ’cause we, we, we kind of, you know, underneath the surface we think we’re in, well, we think we’re in control and there’s a, there’s an element of sense of safety within ourselves if we are controlling or the illusion of, you know, if I’ve got my goals, I’ve got my plans, everything is lined up, all the, every, you know, I’m in control of my, my life here. You know, when.

Sabrina:
I have full control over emotions and before I didn’t because I could get ups and downs or something. Could, you know, I was, before it was always healing something. I always felt it was something to heal. Something was not done yet. now I don’t have that anymore. I feel it’s, it’s good. Not, nothing is triggering, nothing is coming up. So that for me is, yeah, you could call it control, but it’s stability. It’s very peaceful. Stability. Does it scare me that I, I do not project very far in the future? No. ’cause I know if I want to do something, I will. It’s, I will create it. It’ll be there.

Guy:
Beautiful.

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
So, okay.

Sabrina:
It’s different.

Guy:
is great. This is what this conversation’s all about. Like I, I’m really starting to get an understanding now of your journey and, and different aspects of it. Do you feel that then the frequencies, because you mentioned about the planets, we haven’t to go out so far anymore, um, in terms of the light. That it’s coming in. So from your perspective, what do you feel is happening? Is are we all being as human beings, kind of being pressured from the energies to start to really look at the I am presence of within ourselves and the fractured parts of ourselves and really start to understand these multilayered. Frequencies that are, that are happening. What are your thoughts?

I am standing here right now in Lake Topo in a beautiful retreat space, and there’s a vast difference between an intellectual experience and passive listening to a fully embodied lived experience. ’cause that’s what retreats can do. They can help you land, start to truly reconnect to yourself. To others, to nature and to spirit as well. There’s so much in it. That’s why we created Live and Flow, and that’s why we are so passionate about getting this work out there and bringing people together. If you wanna find out more when our next retreat or event is coming up, just check out the link below and now back to the podcast.

Sabrina:
Mm-hmm. Well, in these. These light places that are coming down and that have been coming down, if you consider that one day here, is if you go there just five minutes or yeah, 10 minutes. That’s three weeks in human time. So time is much quicker there. So when they come down time, time is faster, light goes faster, the particles are faster. So when thats descends in our systems. The, our time speeds up as well. And so, and so that has an impact on emotions, on thoughts. So everything, everything is faster and our evolution is accelerated, and we have to move with that. We have to deal with that. And so that’s, that’s very, that’s very technical.

So to undergo acceleration. It’s already quite difficult and, and if then you have underlying trauma or emotional blockages, then it becomes really difficult. And then, then I, I often think that’s why in this society, people are, are very quickly, you know, on the edge, aggressive because there’s too much in their system and, and it’s being put under pressure. Um. Yeah, I think people, I think it, it helps to look at their I am presence. I’m not sure everyone does. I think there are a lot of people that just look the other way and try to cope with what is, um, those are my thoughts about that.

Guy:
But we ne, we ne

Sabrina:
But you

Guy:
well, we never taught as well. We never taught to really look within and start to understand. These other

Sabrina:
no one,

Guy:
you know, for me to get to where I am in this moment on my journey, you know, I was like ping ponging all over the place trying to, because I had no direction or guidance into really understanding what it means to be human or a multidimensional parts of being human. I had more, I had all the willingness in the world to want

Sabrina:
Hmm.

Guy:
Expand, grow and go into new depths. But there was no one, and this was going back, you know, I’m aging myself here a bit, but you know, the internet really hadn’t kicked online yet. Like it was just coming in, you know? Yes. The odd books, but there was, there was no understanding where I think, wow. If you, you know, because you, if you don’t know what you

Sabrina:
yeah. It wasn’t prototyped

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah.

Sabrina:
It wasn’t pro, it wasn’t here yet. Um. No, I agree. I agree. And, uh, there were thro pots, but it, it did, it didn’t go as deep as it goes now, and I think it goes deep now because of the light that is, that, that is because of the consciousness that is, uh, imbuing earth. We have to go deeper. Luckily, we can now with, with all those people doing light work and healing, et cetera.

Guy:
What has it done for your sensory perceptions then? Because right at the very beginning I said, how does one get to the point where, you know, you can tune into the frequency of the soul, you know, the, the sound of the soul. And you said it’s a journey, right? And now I’m starting to get a deeper understanding of that journey to, to how you get to that point. But as what have you noticed? As you’ve kind of, I, I, let’s just call them wounds, energetical wounds or blocked energy as that’s solely been releasing you, your body, your body’s been adapting. You said your bones feel even lighter, which by the way really resonates with me because I’ve had multiple releases in this last two or three weeks I’ve intensified where I felt like it was coming outta my bones.

Sabrina:
Yeah, it’s good that it comes outta your bones.

Guy:
I was like this, I, but it was, it was hard to hold for 24 hours. It was like, oh my God, you know, I have a family. I got two young children. You, you, it’s, it’s, it’s wild.

Sabrina:
You are doing it. You’re doing it for them

Guy:
know exactly 1000%, but when you’re in it, it’s, it sucks. Jesus. Um, anyway.

Sabrina:
I’m so sorry. We all have to do it.

Guy:
Well, I, I,

Sabrina:
And the bone marrow. The bone marrow is important. I always with people, work with the bone marrow because there you have the nervous system, but you also have the nervous system of the soul. Important soul has trauma. Not many people know that. You have to work on that nervous system too. It’s all there. You know, and in the bone marrow itself are all the, the deep rooted patterns. So it’s very good that you’re releasing from the bone marrow means you’re taking things by its core. That’s what I, I feel, I personally feel.

Guy:
Yeah, it’s time. It’s time. Like I’ve, I’ve cleared a lot over the years and, and couldn’t see it. Work with energy a lot, like it flows through me easily. Energy heal. It very comes very naturally to me, but I know this, it’s time now to, to,

Sabrina:
Yeah, to ground yourself,

Guy:
and, and really, but, but all the aspects but’s getting in there. Um, anyway, so.

Sabrina:
And so you’re getting lighter. Right. That’s because you’re talking about bones,

Guy:
Yeah, I feel I, I, I feel this, I feel the shifts and I’ve noticed even inflammation more and more is leaving the body as well, which is interesting. Um, yeah, no, I’m curious to see what, what happens. So like, so with yourself then talk to me about the, the sensory perceptions and things like that. So how do you, how has that evolved for you?

Sabrina:
I, I, I have to explain that indirectly, so I have to explain a bit more the journey to explain how I came. Is that what you want? So to know how I came to that point or how it is to. Feel

Guy:
Both. Yeah.

Sabrina:
Oh, so, um, so at a certain point, as I said, you know, I was downloading these, these transmissions of Venus Light, but then I went to Egypt and I was in this temples and I, I, I came back home and I felt, you know, I need to tell a story. So I started to write a book and, and so I started to talk with these temples and they, they told me the. Their story that actually, you know, they have, they can, they can activate your core soul consciousness. So they are, they are so multi-layered that if you want to go to the deepest essence and you visit them, they can do that for you.

So I wrote a book about that. while training myself and talking and, and they were giving me transmissions and then the venous light was giving me transmissions, and then I was working with people and I, I learn a lot by working with people. So, because when, when I am reading their energy, it’s, it’s like I am, I’m in a new world and I’m, and, and that every world is new and I have to adapt to every world and discover, okay, what is this use? It’s like moving to another planet. And so I started to notice on these very deep levels how souls are different, how they are structured differently. They all have, we all have a basic prima matter structure, but in the end, they function differently. When they come out of creation, they do different things.

They are traumatized in different things. And so I, I, I was creating this landscape of souls. How are they born, when they come to existence, when happens to them, how do they fragment, multi multidimensionally, et cetera. And so as I was doing all that and working yeah, with ISIS and, uh, Mary Magdalene and what, and, and yeah, tell me if I’m too

Guy:
No. No of go.

Sabrina:
what they, what they always showed me is. ISIS incarnated many times on Earth. And what she said is, I use the earth as the rock through which as water, I descend to sculpt myself. And so in my work I, I perceive that as well, that. Doing my transmissions, working with my, the people I work with is that, that scope, my sanatory abilities. So at a certain point I could hear someone’s anger. I didn’t, he didn’t need to be angry or she, I, I can hear it. And uh, then I started to hear vibrations. Hear colors. Um, I think that is just how I am wired because we have, we each have certain predominant, um, how would I say? I think every you, you probably, you maybe don’t, wouldn’t hear it, but you could taste it or see it. so it depends on who you are and who I am, and my soul is different than yours, and you have certain capabilities that, that’s my, that, that, that’s my thing.

Guy:
So even, yeah, so even in your daily life now, like. That those sensitivities, so for instance, if you put your awareness on it, you could tune into my energy field where, or sometimes con and it’s just like, ah, like there’s a knowing that comes in or you’re hearing it. Is that what I’m.

Sabrina:
And I, and I see it, I, I can see it, for instance, where the blockages are, where the energy needs to be able to flow through so that your light can flow more through. Uh, for instance, the, you know, the chest, the heart there is existential insecurity. It’s in, in the rib cage, et cetera. It needs to flow through because the heart needs to bring forth light.

Guy:
Of course.

Sabrina:
We are sovereign beings, so we don’t depend on incoming things like a portal. We don’t need that. We, we are spheres of light and we are sovereign. We have our own energy system. We are responsible for our own evolutionary pot, so your heart produces light and so, but to produce light new consciousness, you know? You don’t need to have lifetimes to learn something. You can produce it now, but your heart needs to have the space and you need to feel existentially secure to do so. You know what I

Guy:
you need to feel safe.

Sabrina:
Yeah. We haven’t felt safe on earth since, I think after Lemuria, we haven’t really felt safe. And then in Cosmos. It’s also in certain parts, very dual, so we have quite some scars.

Guy:
Oh yeah. Yeah. That’s fascinating. So how does that affect your daily life? So, for instance, you know, you’re gonna get your veggies and you’re going through the markets or whatever, and, and there’s people everywhere, and you’re like, holy moly, I can see you could eat some clearing over here. Or do you just, or do you just turn it off and on? Like how?

Sabrina:
I, I just turn it off and on, and when I go into the market, I chat. I’m, I’m very social. I chat and, uh, and uh, what I cannot do is go into very huge super hypermarkets, you know, the big ones for a long time, or my daughter likes to go shopping. That’s very difficult. She’s a teenager. So those things I, uh, for me are hard and I, I, I, I, I quickly feel tired and then I go home, um, because it’s too much. But in general, um, I turn it off.

Guy:
Yeah. Okay. So then when you work, yeah, go on. Sorry, I didn’t know.

Sabrina:
I won’t even, I would, I would never say such a thing to anyone because no one asked, or who am I to say something? I might. My conversations with people, even if I work on a soul creation level, are hyper simple, and I enjoy it that way. I speak about my vegetable garden and my flowers and things like that. That’s how I enjoy living.

Guy:
Of course. Yeah. ’cause it’s a lot of

Sabrina:
And my dog.

Guy:
that’s coming at you. You know at,

Sabrina:
If someone would ask, I would say, huh.

Guy:
yeah.

Sabrina:
Of course, and I would tune in, but uh,

Guy:
So, so let’s, let’s say you are, you are, you know, you’re working with someone and, and you are tuning in and you can see there might be like you, you spoke the let’s stay with the heart and the chest or something. And you, you, you’re tuning and you might say, right, there’s no, the, the light’s not moving through that it’s not flowing, it’s not energetically there. How then working with the. The soul vibration and what you do, how do you marry them up? How is that then?

Sabrina:
I know the soul vibration, so I know where I need to go to. I have my trajectory and then you know, I know the soul vibration and then I see the human being and I see, okay, what is the state in which he or she is and how can I get back to that point? For instance, the chest, it needs clearing. Existential insecurity, we need to go back and clear. Cosmic trauma. Primordial trauma, it needs to be cleared. And then, um, and then that light can flow. And then there are all these different other vibrations that need to marry into one. And then you have that vibration, that core one.

Guy:
So you’re tuning into the soul. You’re going back to the, the source of the river and being guided into then releasing that energy. Is that somebody somebody can do by themselves as well, or is it something that requires, I guess, guidance into getting to that part because they wouldn’t know where to look, right. If you,

Sabrina:
Hmm. Well, the, for me, the tricky part is veils and realities, and I. If I didn’t make the transmissions, I was, I would never ever have seen it within myself. We need to release veils to see those things. We need to be able to look beyond veils to, um, to go to those levels. So if someone. It is very pristine. Then, you know, you can, you can go to that level. But, but if, why, why would veils be there? Let me let, let me reverse the question. Why would someone be stuck in veils?

Guy:
What do you mean? What do you mean by

Sabrina:
a reason

Guy:
What do you mean by

Sabrina:
we can’t see things. We can’t see, we can’t see for, yeah, we can’t see, for instance, that. We have a pattern that we are repeating. For instance, we can’t see that. We think we have done so much. We evolved so far. We are releasing, we can’t see what’s around the corner yet. ’cause it’s veiled. So why can’t we see it? Maybe because if we would see it, we couldn’t handle it. We, we, we, sometimes we need these steps to be able to calibrate, to integrate in our life. And life needs to what, who we become needs to be translated in life. Otherwise we bypass. So that needs time too. So yes, I think someone can do that. I’m, I am certainly not the only one who does it. Um, but it depends. If a soul has many frequencies, it depends on which one you’re tuning in.

Guy:
Yeah,

Sabrina:
And which part of it you’re tuning in?

Guy:
and it’ll be, it’s quite a journey, right? Like, you know, when you think of the, I mean, I’m just bringing my male logic brain into this for a moment, but I can’t even quantify the vastness of my. I am presence, my soul, my expanded self, that energy and the amount of frequencies that it contains or the vibration. So if I think start to lean into,

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
there must be a hierarchy of, of needs that are, that are required for the next piece of the puzzle to be healed or moved, or to be flowing, to let more of that light in on this journey. And I, I guess it’s a case of release, you know, integrate, expand it into the body and then repeat and, and then.

Sabrina:
And bring home, bring all these frequencies home. I see them like, um, well it’s, that’s my personal view, right? I see them as little diamonds and they’re all there and they have their own colors, their own. Um, sounds so when, when you start to bring them, it’s a piece of your truth, but then what you were living maybe wasn’t your truth. And I think that’s when I’m trying to explain with veils. So you are, each time you’re, you are bringing in a piece of your own truth. And when you bring them all in, that then what people say and, and what many of the people say that I work with is.

How could I have lived that way? And they cry for weeks saying, you know, I regret that I live that way because the truth is coming in. I think that’s what the veils are. You bring it in. You, you, you have another piece of your puzzle, of your inner truth of the, of the I am presence of your soul. And you say, but I was, I was doing that as a human. That doesn’t make sense. That is external light. I live according to external light, external consciousness, consciousness. That was not mine, but that I adhere to because it was the collective, or it came from my family, or it came from some teachers or gurus, you know?

Guy:
It is not ours.

Sabrina:
No, it’s external. It doesn’t mean it’s bad. It’s just not yours. It’s not mine. It’s not my truth.

Guy:
Yeah. Isn’t that the truth?

Sabrina:
Well, I don’t know.

Guy:
No, that

Sabrina:
how I

Guy:
yeah. I love that. That really resonates. Um, I wanna touch on one of the topic. I’ve got a dot point here about the larger primordial wound, uh, that really caught my

Sabrina:
Oh, yes.

Guy:
And you talk about the original split between consciousness and form. Can, can you unpack that a little bit for us please?

Sabrina:
Oh, I love to work on those levels. So the primordial wound, when a soul comes into creation, I saw it as the mouth of creation behind, it’s like a, A portal. Right behind that mouth. Imagine vast space. There’s nothing. There are only wishes. Wishes of souls to come into existence. They wish to exist. They come, so why are we here? Because we wish we wish to be here. And so when, when we come into existence, we, we move with group consciousness, but already then we move along with others without really pausing and stopping and feeling, okay, who am I? What, what do I want? I I in the trajectories that I do with people, some say, well, I never wanted to descendant into matter.

I wanted to stay there and guide souls and give them choices. I never wanted to come down here, but sometimes we do because we just follow, because we, we like to be outgoing or in in groups or because we think it needs to be like that. So it already starts there. A wound. I never wanted to be here because I never. Wish to descend into measure. And we don’t need to. We don’t need to. We are already complete and whole. There is no need for us to descend, to fragment into multidi dimensionality. So that’s one of the primordial wounds. Um, this, if you have questions, let me know because I, I tend to speak really abstract. I know that it’s really a flaw.

Guy:
not at all. Keep going. Yeah, yeah,

Sabrina:
always translate.

Guy:
I’ll, I’ll, I’ll jump in if I need to.

Sabrina:
Okay, great. And then the, the, the split. So the soul is made of a feminine and a masculine energy. Right. At a certain point that energy was split and the dimensions were split. That it’s, it’s an old, esoteric story, but it, but it happened to all souls. we couldn’t reach each other. It’s as if, you know, dimensions are stacked, but at a certain layer we couldn’t reach the other because there was a void. And so me and my twin flame, you and yours, and everyone’s, we couldn’t reach each other. There was, that’s the separation wound. And so the way we handled it determines how we are living our relationships. That primordial trauma always circles back in the relationships that we have today. For instance, what I see then, and I do readings for people on these levels. So for instance, I, I’ll just give some examples, right? So there is a feminine soul and her twin soul is not there. She’s separated and she feels, she feels that. She is not able to go alone into creation. So she, she seeks for that similar energy, uh, strong, supportive, et cetera. And whoever comes by, she finds okay.

And so she does. And so usually what I then see is that they tend to clinging onto souls that then are dominant or, um, take. Take control and, and they follow. So that’s the first pattern of, of of, of what we call abusive patterns. You know, I have people coming from abusive relationships. I bring them to the primordial pattern to see, okay, what happened there? Because it has no point talking about it to resolve something. But the deeper core, if you don’t touch it. That person will always experience a sense of, hmm. Emptiness, um, codependency because that core primordial pattern, that, that was the first moment. What do I do when I don’t have someone? Huh? Um, and then I have souls that just, they move into creation and they don’t, they, they don’t wait.

They’re not sad. They’re, they just are fully trusting. So these are the ones that when they step into relationships, these are healthy relationships. So, so that’s the primordial patterning of, of reading, of relational issues. Um, I’m thinking of other examples that I can give. I, I met souls that were really afraid and put their lives on pause. They did not. They, they no longer went into creation. And then when I speak with them, that same pattern reflects, they, they don’t do much with their lives. They don’t move forward. Um, they are on pause. They are in a freeze. It’s a. You know, when you are alone and you don’t dare to go outside, it’s a freeze. It’s, it’s, it’s a trauma response. So that’s, that’s a primordial traumatic split. Yeah,

Guy:
Fascinating. Fascinating.

Sabrina:
it is fascinating because once you touch it, it’s a world of difference for that person.

Guy:
Yeah. What is the goal of the soul then? Really what like. Because what I, what I find fascinating, like just in just my own reflection, I’m not trying to come from an understanding of a book or from somebody else’s knowledge, just, but more from my embodied experience, if that makes sense. So I, I always try and stay open and, and not just otherwise I’m, I’m just feeding the mind information sometimes without.

Sabrina:
Yeah. Yeah.

Guy:
experience of it.

Sabrina:
But I feel I, I had a vision that I was on a raft on a river, and I saw many things that the river, the water was transparent. I could see many things in the water. I could see many birds. I could see a lot on the riverbanks. And for me that river was life. Right? And in that vision and a certain point, it didn’t matter what I saw, I was just sitting on the raft and there were rocks. And I, with my, with my mind, I could navigate and I was always content and I didn’t matter what I saw, I was in a state of bliss. And for me personally, at that point, I understood what. What the point was that we, why we are here as souls. That is because we want to live every experience in a blissful way. It’s not about what we do, it’s about how we experience it, and that that is my truth.

Guy:
Hmm. And with that bliss, because when you are, is there, is the, the wisdom and the learnings to be able to get to that point of actually just all encompass encompassing that bliss, the heaven on earth, I guess that I, I spoke of

Sabrina:
Yeah, it’s,

Guy:
the, the beginning.

Sabrina:
think as soon as you understand that. You have everything within. There is no learning. All the answers you don’t need to seek outside, you have within. Then that learning thing stops. Then your, your attention outward stops. You go inward and then at least you have the energy to experience what you’re truly seeing because you’re not seeing it, because you’re always looking for something. That’s how I

Guy:
powerful. Yes.

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
love that. ’cause you have the energy to experience what you’re truly seeing.

Sabrina:
yeah, you live it. That’s the point. You have to live

Guy:
Yeah. That’s beautiful.

Sabrina:
And then my rough just took me to shore. Then I knew, okay, that’s it.

Guy:
When you think about it, how many people are not living what they’re seeing in any given moment, it blows my mind like in just not present

Sabrina:
I think

Guy:
many, you only have to look up the world or what’s been projected upon us of the world is crazy more so, you know, um,

Sabrina:
Yeah.

Guy:
wow.

Sabrina:
But with the acceleration enough time and everything, it’s also very difficult for people. Right. I, I find it difficult,

Guy:
Me,

Sabrina:
you know, if you have many things going on. Yeah.

Guy:
totally.

Sabrina:
Emotionally, if you have, it’s difficult to stay present. And that’s the thing. That’s why I said earlier that people don’t want to, I, I saw in my vision when I was talking to, I saw people looking sideways and to me it meant I don’t want to go there. It hurts. I don’t, I’m not sure if I can handle it. People say that to me, you know, am I going to crumble because I need to do my job. I need to take care of my kids. Can I do this? I’m not, I, I can’t, I can’t say that. It depends from person to person.

Guy:
You know, the one thing I’ve really come into terms with in this journey is that. It’s okay to lose it, for it to come up and it’s okay to, to, to, to feel like shit and not keep it together for a little while if you, I have, I’m very fortunate. I have a very beautiful wife, supportive wife. I got two beautiful children, uh, people in my life. My close friends and relationships, we can have these conversations. We all get it. We all understand the support mechanisms and you know, and it’s okay. And the more I, the more I kind of not shy away from it, the more the beauty is coming in from the other side of allowing these fundamental shifts to happen. ’cause at some point we’re gonna have to let go anyway, aren’t we? So why not now? Why not in these moments when they arise?

Sabrina:
that’s true. That’s true. But even I, when I was going through it and I, I was going through releasing the old and embodying the new me, the light. My, I am, I was afraid.

Guy:
Of course.

Sabrina:
’cause what it, what it would bring me was a lot of change that I didn’t necessarily want to go through.

Guy:
Was it worth it?

Sabrina:
Sure. I feel good.

Guy:
That’s good. I’ve, I’ve gotta wrap up the podcast in minute, Sabrina, I’m running outta time. But, um,

Sabrina:
All right.

Guy:
um, where, where can people, where can people, uh, find out more about you? Where can I send them to? Website

Sabrina:
I have a website, enlightenment codes.com.

Guy:
codes.com. Um, make sure the links are in the

Sabrina:
they can send me an email. Yeah.

Guy:
And is there anything else you wanna add to the conversation of everything we’ve covered?

Sabrina:
Um, if anyone has questions, they may ask. I’m here.

Guy:
They can even ask.

Sabrina:
No, I don’t want to add anything

Guy:
That’s all right then. If they’re watching it on YouTube and they’re still with us, I mean, feel free to pop a question below, right?

Sabrina:
Yeah. To comment or something. Sure. That would be great.

Guy:
Beautiful, Sabrina, so lovely to connect.

Sabrina:
Yeah, it

Guy:
Yeah. You’re an angel.

Sabrina:
And thank

Guy:
Yeah, you’re welcome. You’re welcome. Thank you. My lovely. Thank you so much.