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Dr. Mario: [00:00:00] Growing older is a passing of time. Aging is what you do with time based on your beliefs, on your cultural training that you’ve had. The system is set up for you not to age well. The process of me paying for dinner in itself is the pleasure, not the outcome. And Aristotle said that you have to live in the pleasure of the thing, not in what’s gonna come out of what you do, what kills it, envy you have to stop. And what gets you out of default mode is curiosity. It’s a lack of curiosity that stops at 30 for most people. Curiosity, elongates time, monotony shrinks time, but the most important connection you have is how you treat yourself when nobody’s looking.

Dr. Mario: Guy here. This podcast is actually republished, uh, it’s one with Dr. Mario Martinez, and it’s awesome. It’s awesome, and I, and as my podcast grows, I look back through the archives and get my team to republish an episode. Now this what really I [00:01:00] realized recently when looking through and with this episode, this. Podcast actually, um, spawned the idea of looking into my own genetic agent and the pace of agent and the biological age, not the chronological age. And I since partnered with the DNA company and I had all those tests actually done. And because there, there’s things that I get spoken about in this podcast around perception and beliefs and sometimes can feel intangible.

But it’s good to know if the very things that we believe to be doing the correct thing in our life are actually showing up biologically in our body. And that’s why I want to look at that. And I’m very passionate about health as well. So I just wanted to mention that. So I’ve linked to another podcast in here as well that I did solo actually talking about my results and my tests, which you can feel free to hop along as well. And if what Mario shares with you truly resonates, ’cause there’s a lot of wisdom in this. Honestly, it’s one worth [00:02:00] persevering with and getting through because it can truly impact the the decisions that you’re making in your own life. But from that as well, since partnering with the DNA company, you have been awesome.

Um, I’ve got a special discount link, uh, which I get paid for, um, from partner in one, but I believe in their products and what they do that if you, there’s a discount link there. So if you choose to go and get these tests done for yourself and you’re curious, uh, you know, you’d be supporting me as well along the way through there. But if you do reach out, let me know what your results are. I’m always very interested. Uh, from these things. Anyway, let me know what, what you think of this podcast. Uh, I love Mario. I think he’s, he is a legend and, uh, yeah, I’ll catch you soon. Much up from me.

Guy: Mario, welcome back to the podcast, my man. So good to see you. Thank you. It’s been a while. It’s always good to see you. It has been a while. It has been a while, and whilst I certainly don’t want to cover old ground in our, uh, conversation [00:03:00] today, uh, with the second podcast, I will, you will be introduced to new people. So just to connect the dots for everyone, if you were, say, traveling to Australia right now and a stranger asks you what you did for a living, what would you say? Uh, trying to stay young forever,

Dr. Mario: but based on good science. So that’s what we’re gonna be talking about. A lot of the myths about growing older and a lot of the things that appear to be something that we need to do to grow older. And none of that is true. So I’m gonna be debunking a lot of myths about, uh, longevity based on the experts. The experts are not myself or, or gerontologists. The experts are the centenarians people who are over a hundred. Are healthy, those are the experts, those are the evidence of what works, and that’s what we base our research on.

Guy: It’s amazing, mate. Like, it’s certainly a passion of mine as I especially becoming a dad, I guess. Not a young dad, but not an old, old dad either. But, [00:04:00] you know, it’s something, it’s something on the back of my mind. I wanna make sure that I’m healthy, fit, and strong, um, when, when my kids are all grown up and, and really appreciate my life that I have now as well. And there seems to be a lot of conversations on the internet at the moment about. The potential of the length, the life of a human, and what, what science is now showing? What do you feel the potential is? Or do you think we have not even tapped into our true potential of longevity yet? Oh

Dr. Mario: yeah. No, we’re, we’re just beginning. But I’ll give you something about Australia, for example, which is good news Australia, the population, I guess, is a little over 25 million, 2026, uh, and you have about, uh, 4,200 centenarians. Which is what we look at is, is not how many centenarians, but what is the per capita, how many centenarians per uh, per total population? And, and right now it’s one per 6,000. But in [00:05:00] the year now you have 4,200 centenarians. Right? In the year 2050, you’re gonna have 50,000 centenarians in Australia. So it’s really growing. The other thing that’s going on is that many countries are either slowing down on the life expectancy like the United States, or maybe going back a little bit like some places in Japan and other places.

But in every country, including Australia, centenarians are the fastest growing segment of the population. So they have some secrets that are not the same for the rest of the population, and it is not genetics. Genetics, 20%.

Guy: Yeah. Wow. And one thing that I, I kind of conjures up in my mind, and, and I guess it would be good to break, pull apart a little bit, is like in some, in some respects, we see the medical system developing as well, but I, I quite often see that. We’re getting older in life, but our quality of life is diminished in those last five or 10 years, quite often through illness, disease, [00:06:00] and, um, our body breaking down. And then western medicine is kind of dragging us across the finish line, if you like. And then that’s it. And then, and then would you say a centenarian is, is completely, um, independent from many of those things and that.

Dr. Mario: They’re very different, and we’re beginning to find out some of the reasons why this is happening. So, for example, there’s something called inflammaging, which which is the, the usual inflammation that you get as you grow older. So that infl inflammation is really what, what ages you more than anything. More than than stress or anything else. So the inflammaging, they look at the inflammaging of, let’s say somebody 30 and it’s over here. The inflammaging of somebody 80 is over here. The inflammaging of a centenarians over here. So they should be getting sick. They should be getting sick because it’s much higher.

What happens is that there’s a compensatory component here that with T cells, that they, they override the [00:07:00] effects of, of the negative effects of, uh, inflammation. So let’s say here we have the 30-year-old. Ratio that, that helps with the, uh, with keeping you away from illness. The 80-year-old here and the centenarians here, just like, like the young people. Wow. So they, they develop compensatory methods by the, the longer you live in health span, the higher probability of you staying in health span. So health span is how long you’ve lived. Healthy lifespan is how long you lived. So centenarians have some kind of process that kicks in and it’s not genetics.

We don’t think that actually allows ’em to even reverse inflammation. There’s some research that we’re doing with, uh, there’s a lab in, uh, in UK and, and Croatia that we’re working with, and they’re finding that what used to be inflammatory with centenarians, it begins to become anti-inflammatory. And what we’re finding with the research that we’re doing with them, uh, we’re taking 50 centenarians. Looking [00:08:00] at their blood work and looking at, at my test and on the average, they’re coming out 25 years younger in their biological age than their chronological age. So it doesn’t fit the model of, of gerontology at all. Wow.

Guy: So what I’m seeing as well, ’cause obviously our podcast and, and I’m constantly on the internet, just. Looking at different information coming in and, and conversations that are happening. And there, there’s definitely, and you would’ve, I know you’d be aware of this, but there’s a buzz around what’s called like biohacking and yes, we gotta take the supplementation and do these things and constantly, um, to reverse, like you talk about that biological age. So even though if I’m 50 years old, I’ve got a body of a 30-year-old kind of thing, right? And. But I’m curious to know from, especially with you studying, um, I believe the term psycho neuroimmunology, if I’m Yes. Pronouncing that correct. [00:09:00] Yeah. You one of a few that was No, I really had to, I’ve been practicing all morning, but, um, but I’m, I’m curious to know from.

Your perspective actually, how much is it, is actually just psychology and how we show up for ourselves and cultural beliefs and our belief systems and, and how we actually perceive ourself and perceive the world. How much of that is playing on a role?

Dr. Mario: Perception is most important. I don’t like biohacking the system. The brain and the immune system don’t like to be hacked. We’re not machines. And the other thing that happens, if you’re taking this and you’re taking that. You develop a, a false sense of security. It tells you, if I take this and I’m gonna be okay, centenarians hardly take anything. But how they live is what matters. How they, I, what do I, do I take any supplements? No. I just take something that, that it’s a, it’s called, uh, cardio Me, which is a, a, a liquid that has all the vitamins and minerals. That’s it. Nothing else. So the biohacking is [00:10:00] kind of a way to market. Longevity, but it really doesn’t do that much for reversing biological age.

And that’s my take on it based on really good research that’s going on out there. It’s, you can take supplement. There’s a person, I’m not gonna mention him because he’s a, an authority and I think he’s wrong. He takes over 14, 15 supplements a day. You don’t need that. And, and it’s obsessive to do that with a body. If there’s certain foods and there’s certain things and there’s certain things that actually you, uh, you don’t, uh, metabolize as well. When you’re younger, but this is why you can take these supplements always in liquid, not pills or anything like that, because it doesn’t work as well. So I think what we’re, what we’re offering the world is a way to change your perception, not just intellectually, but your, the way you perceive the world and your emotions.

And there. And we found eight factors, and every one of this is either anti-inflammatory or anti-stress. That’s what we’re working on.

Guy: Yeah. Okay. [00:11:00] Now, when we were speaking off air as well, ’cause you said you, you know, you’ve, you’ve, you’ve moved back to Nashville and you’ve been doing a lot of research. Lots of research at the moment, and, and I love your passion for this topic, Mario. Like I still subscribe to your newsletters and I’m constantly seeing new discoveries coming through and everything, and. Um, we spoke about off air, that you’ve been passionately working on a few things at the moment and discovered things that haven’t been discovered before. Would you be happy to share them for us?

Dr. Mario: Sure. For example, what what I do as you know, is I, I bring several disciplines together in Bio Cogni show. I bring psycho immunology. Neuroscience and anthropology together, and that’s how we can actually look at everything, not just from, as I started as a neuropsychologist, I always looked at, okay, what is, what are the genes? What are the genes? And, and I found that it’s not the genes, it’s how they live, but, but one of the eight factors is if your perception of time, they perceive time as if they have all the time in the world. They don’t live in the [00:12:00] urgent present, or they don’t live a step ahead of the present. That reduces your anxiety, it reduces your inflammation.

But let me give you an example how important the time is. Ellen Langer at, at Harvard, a colleague and friend, has done a lot of research for the last 40 years on time and perception of time and aging. And I have done my work also with Aries, what she finds, for example, one, one study. Very simple but but very profound. Is that she’ll have, uh, people who have diabetes type two, that’s pretty significant biological problem. It’s a glucose problem. And she’ll have them do a task, a task that has nothing to do with, with the prop experiment. It’s kinda like the sham part. So, so they can spend 90 minutes doing something and they tell ’em, okay, we’re gonna, we’re gonna measure your, your glucose since you have diabetes type two.

Uh, in the 90 minutes, one group, they have real time. Another group, they have half a slow clock and the other one twice as fast clock. The [00:13:00] glucose will respond to your perception of time rather than real time. That’s just an example of the power of time. It’s been done with pain, it’s been done with, uh, many other things, and time is a very powerful way of interpreting the world. And then your biology will respond to a great degree to your perception of time, not the passing of time.

Guy: Wow, isn’t that incredible? ’cause that leans into a lot of what actually we do at our retreats and events and bringing people into the present moment because we’re so an anticipating the future of what’s coming in almost like a state of threat. So it’s kind of leaning into then we’re, we’re, we’re, instead of just being present and. Like we got all the time in the world and just dealing with the task at hand, our body is, is practicing the anticipation of a threat that might not even be coming.

Dr. Mario: Yes. And even good fortune. And even if you’re expecting good fortune, you’re not in the present. So one thing that centenarians do, I mentioned before we started, is that [00:14:00] they, they believe they have all the time in the world. So I asked one centenarian, and, and this is how they, they answer by, by their, how they live. I, I do the anthropology for it. I say, oh, this is really a nice garden you have here. Oh, really nice. Yeah. Wait till you see it in three years. And the man is 101. That’s they, they have, so what happens is you project time and space. You live in the present, but you project time and space and your biology to a certain degree will follow that. And then I ask one, okay, all the time in the world, what is that?

What if you die tomorrow? Then he said, that’s all the time in the world. They don’t live in the anxiety of the future they live in and enjoying the present and living in the present. And that’s extremely important. What do we do? We micromanage, we, um, um, multitask. All those things are anti, uh, anti uh, uh, staying young. It’s a, it’s an aging process. I work with many Cent, um, not Centenaries. I work with many, um, CEOs. And 75% of them have, uh, gastrointestinal [00:15:00] problems and blood pressure problems. These are things that you teach your body by being outside of the present or by eating with your computer or being on the phone with your iPhone or whatever phone or being on the phone when you’re driving.

If you wanna reduce your cortisol in addition to work and out and doing all the other things, get away from going to your phone. If you do, for example. If you go to your phone, the first thing you do, you go to your phone, your cholesterol, your cortisol is gonna be up high for the rest of the day. If you eat with your, uh, computer, cortisol high for the rest of the day. If you’re driving and you’re on, on the phone, cortisol high, all those three, you bring ’em down. We work some people and they brought the cholesterol, uh, down, uh, in the cortisol, both, uh, in six weeks. It’s

Guy: wild, isn’t it? How do we. Break that circuit though, like from your perspective. ’cause we’re, I find we’re, we’re just addicted as a society. We’re, we’re addicted to those hits. And yes, the moment we create that space and [00:16:00] stillness in a person, they don’t know what to do themselves because that’s generalized. What’s constantly keeping them, they are momentum in their day or, or what they, they perceive momentum is, if that makes sense. That’s right. And,

Dr. Mario: and, and, and to your point. We can see how you can live this kind of experience rather than trying to think it or anything. Centenarians, many don’t exercise. They don’t know what meditation is. Many of ’em. Mm-hmm. They some eat meat, some don’t. Why? Why is it that it works? Because although they don’t exercise, they stay active. Although they don’t meditate, they’re very introspective To your point. Although they’re not concerned with, uh, meat or, or vegetables or whatever, they eat in moderation and they eat with family and friends or by themselves treating themselves great to the meal. Breaking bread is one of the causes of health unless you are interfering with the ice self, the phone, and all these other things.

So, so, [00:17:00] although they don’t do the usual things, the, i, I work out and I meditate and everything, but I realize that that’s not sufficient. I have to live an introspection. And as you said, you ask somebody, okay, just do nothing. What do I do now? They just don’t go inward. They, they don’t go in. What, how do you feel right now? Well, I feel like I should. No, that’s not a, that’s not a feeling. That’s a thought. How do you feel right now? I feel that you’re asking me. No, that’s a thought. So in the language, get confused. I feel angry, happy, uh, sad. That’s a feeling. And they’re very aware of their feeling, centenarians.

Guy: Yeah, I remember, um, we did a trip, I dunno if I mentioned this to you. We did a trip to Sardinia. This is going back about five or six years now. Oh yeah. Into the, into the blue zones. It was about about 18 of us that went and spent five days up in the, in the mountains there. And, uh, it was phenomenal. And I remember towards the end, we, we got to sit down with. Um, the eldest people in the village at that point, [00:18:00] which was the centenarian blue zone, and this, I’ll never forget this husband and wife, and Gino was his name and he was 93 years old, and they were all sitting outside all the time in the world.

They would, they would all come and congregate and meet together every day and, and play dominoes and, and have a coffee and everything. And we got to ask him, I said, do you ever feel, do you ever get stressed? And he didn’t know what the word stress meant. He had no concept at all. And uh, our interpreter was trying to, um, explain stress to him and he was lost. He’s like, I, I, I, I don’t know.

Dr. Mario: That’s typical. Yeah, typical centenarians and I have some news also. We we’re, the, the blue zones are good. I think that you can go beyond the blue zones that we’re finding now that one of the things in the blue Zones is that they don’t really look at the per capita, how many centen is per, per population. When you do that, then you’re just getting numbers. And also they’re mixing 90 with a hundred, I believe. And [00:19:00] we’re gonna declare this for from institute that, that Spain is the, the lost child of Spain has the highest number of, uh, centenarian per capita than most of the, uh, blue zones. They have a very high, um, life expectancy 83, very much like, uh, like Japan, and, and they have the per capita number of centenarians.

Only second to Japan. And they’re not, they’re not even included in the blue zone. So we’re gonna include them in our list, which is the, the nuen vol Centenarians, they’re gonna be number one. Wow. Uh, Spain is really wonderful. And what have they done about 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you would hear the centen, the, uh, Spanish will say, oh, we’re, we’re getting like their German we’re getting more efficient like the Germans, or we’re gonna be more on time like the Germans. And now they’ve gone back to being Spanish. And eating with your family, taking times, maybe having a csta, that kind of thing. And they have increased their, uh, not only life expectancy, [00:20:00] but the number of centenarians per capita number two in the world. So those are examples of the things that are happening.

Guy: So. For someone listening to this today and goes, you know what? I, I actually want to start taking care of myself more and, and my, um, my health span, not just my, my lifespan and where do we start? Like what have you determined in, in ways of even measuring our progress? So it’d be nice to know that. You know, a year from now, two years from now, five years from now, we can reflect back and look, start to look at our own data to see that we are actually going in the right direction, as opposed to, oh, I’m just gonna bring in these lifestyle aspects in and hope for the best.

Dr. Mario: No, of course. What what we have, and this is what I wanted to share with you, we have now that, that CCI, we call a centenarian conscious index. You take it and it shows how close you are to centenarian consciousness. Eight factors, four ways of looking at the world, and [00:21:00] four emotions. Then we do blood work with just a few drops of blood and, uh, from, from your finger and you get your biological age. We look at it a year later, two years later, and you can see that if you’re doing the right things, your biological age will drop. When I did it, my biological age was 21 years younger. So you, you can, you can do exactly what you’re saying and it’s for the first time. There, there are a lot of sophisticated blood work there, but there are none that go as specifically as we do.

What they do is they go to what I call the, the, the usual suspects of wellness. They do these sophisticated blood work and they say, okay, you have to exercise, you have to diet, you have to meditate. The same thing that we’ve known for 50 years. We don’t say that. We say, these are the emotions that you need to cultivate and this is the perception that you need to cultivate, and that’s what actually does that in addition to the. Usual suspects of wellness. And that’s what we can discuss

Guy: if you want.

Dr. Mario: What, what was that index called again? The

Guy: centenarian

Dr. Mario: cci, the Centenarian Consciousness Index. And it’ll be [00:22:00] up, uh, online, uh, by the end of the month on my website. So

Guy: you can literally then. Yes, go into a survey for survey yourself. Honestly, I’m guessing.

Dr. Mario: Yes. You have to be honest. Otherwise, it’s, it’s, uh, worthless. But then the what, what you don’t have to be honest is your blood. When you do the blood work, it’s gonna show you where you are. But it’s good if you wanna be kind to yourself, to be honest, so you can find out where you are. And then the beauty of it is no matter what your biological age is, it can be reversed. As we’re finding over and over.

Guy: Wow. And then, and then with the blood work, can we do that through you? How, how do, because I, I’d love to. No, the blood

Dr. Mario: work

Guy: is, um,

Dr. Mario: it’s, it’s in combination of our, our, our website. We’ll have the, you can do the CCI alone. Or the cci CCI with called, it’s called Glycan. H is a great product. And then when you do the Glycan age, what they do is you get immediate results. On our test, it’ll tell you where you are centenarian, but the glycan h they mail it to you. So little card [00:23:00] they mail to you, take a little, you prick your finger in a few, uh, drops of blood. You send it back within three weeks. They send you the biological agent and then you can compare with our CCI. The reason it takes about three weeks is they measure it several times to be very, uh, precise.

Guy: Wow, that’s fantastic. So if I, let’s say I go and do that and look at my biological age and just say, oh, I, I wanna continue to bring this down, and as, as I, as I age, as my chronological, chronological ages. You mentioned the perception of time was a big factor in starting to reverse that biological age. Are there any other factors within us that we can be aware of that we could sort of start to look at immediately? Yes.

Dr. Mario: Uh, let me go over all eight and I’ll tell you what brings ’em up and what brings ’em down. [00:24:00] Okay. The, the four, the four perceptions are how you perceive time. How you perceive aging, how you perceive health, and how you perceive self valuation. Very important on the emotions. Generosity, gratitude, admiration and curiosity. All anti-inflammatory or anti-stress. Now, how do you bring them down? If you have all the time in the world, it goes up. If you’re living in the urgent, present it, it goes down. Health. If you believe that you are a, uh, a slave of the genetic sentence, it goes down. If you believe that aging is a process of what you do with time based on your world and your cultures and everything, it goes up. Um, if you, if you’re living with a sense of, um, aging as inevitable again, as, as opposed to I differentiate it as, you know, [00:25:00] growing old is a passing of time.

There’s nothing you can do. Aging is what you do with time based on your beliefs, on your cultural training that you’ve had. So it depends on how you deal with that. And in the health has to do with family illness. They say, well, there’s diabetes type two in your family. Well, that’s it. High probability, no. Look at the people who have not had the diabetes in your family and see how different there are. And you’re gonna see that they’re they’re outliers. And the fourth, which is very important too, is self valuation. It goes up when you value yourself when nobody’s looking, it goes down. When you excuse yourself.

What do cultures do? Cultures teach you to go against all those eight factors. So for example, if I say, Hey guy, I like your glasses. Oh yeah, I got ’em cheap because of, oh, I like your shirt. Oh yeah. Excusing it or minimizing it. You look younger. Well, uh, it’s too early to tell that kind of thing. That kills. The gratitude, which is gratitude, brings up oxytocin, which is a power powerful, um, [00:26:00] neuropeptide that helps including, uh, repairing, um, a heart tissue. It, it happens with, uh, when, when the breastfeeding orgasms connection with people, but you kill it. If I say. Hey guy. Um, I really, I really think you look a lot younger.

Oh, well, I don’t know about that. Kill it. Forget it. If you say thank you for noticing oxytocin, and the latest research that shows how powerful this is in psycho radiology is that the, the oxytocin is waiting for you to say thank you. If you feel gratitude and you don’t express it, or if you just minimize it. No oxytocin. If you say the word, the psycholinguistics of, thank you. I appreciate you saying that. Oxytocin goes up.

Guy: Wow.

Dr. Mario: Well, the sy, the system is set up for you not to age. Well,

Guy: I have a question and before we go into the, the others, then, um, if. Like I thinking back on my own life, the the, when I wanted to create change, there’s immense, almost pressure, [00:27:00] unconscious pressure. It’s whether it’s me perceiving it or not from others. It’s almost like by me wanting to change and break away from the herd mentality of what all my friends and families had been living their life, and all of a sudden I become a black sheep. Yes. And it’s like, oh, you know, and, and, and it’s like this, this pressure to stay in that mold was Yeah. Felt big even, and it could have been my perception or not. I, I, I really don’t know.

Dr. Mario: No. Here’s what’s happening, whether Australia is very individualist like the United States, but all cultures are collectivists and the, and that they don’t want you to break away from the herd. They don’t want you to break away from the pale. Because you’re no longer serving the collectivism. So you learn things from your cultural editors, people that are important in your life. Parents, uh, teachers. Doctors. And then you have co-authors that support, that support it in the present. So now you wanna be an outlier. You’ll be admonished as the [00:28:00] black sheep or whatever.

So when you wanna make changes, you ask yourself, where did I learn this behavior? And who are the people that are supporting it now? And then let me take the label of black sheep or whatever. As a compliment because I’m gonna outlive these people. So if they say, for example, uh, oh, now that you’re a father, you shouldn’t go back to school and try to get another degree, but you gotta save your money. Or you got and, and you say, oh, that’s a really good thought. I have to think about it, and you do whatever the hell you want. If you don’t, you’ll be admonished back into the portals that you know, that the portals like, uh, middle age. This is why when people turn middle age based on their culture, they start looking middle age dressing, middle age, and getting sick like the middle age. Because it’s a portal, not a biological, it’s a cultural admonition that you get.

Guy: Yeah. So it, we don’t necessarily then have to uproot and move No, no, and leave all our friends and family behind because that, that pressure’s there. You know what I mean? You. Uh, but it’s something I think about as [00:29:00] well because even with what we are doing and we are actually creating a community of people, which I feel like is for all the black sheep in some respects, because they’re all the ones, and to me, this is life. This is the normality of how it should be, not what’s actually going on. You’re right on target there.

Dr. Mario: What you’re calling the black sheep, we’re calling the subcultures of wellness. Same thing. You gotta have people. And, and someone will say, well, if you are all lies, you’re all the same. No, no. It’s a culture that supports and gives value to your individualism and, and allows you to be yourself without having to influence you into being something else. So it’s a, it’s a herd of individuals then the herds of sameness. And there’s no pressure for you to be anything other than yourself. So that’s what, what you’re doing, and this is what we’re doing with diff different names, but the same thing. So you’re right on party.

Guy: And did we cover the whole eight that you mentioned when you No, uh, on, on

Dr. Mario: the, uh, what we did, but, but not how the other culture, uh, um, es [00:30:00] it. Gratitude and, and generosity are very important. They both secrete the same hormones of, uh, oxytocin and endorphins, s serotonin, all of those. But if you are in the quid pro quo, you do this, I do that. You don’t get anything? Uh, we’re going out to dinner. I’m paying now. Next time you have to pay, forget it. I’m paying now and I’m leaving it to your goodwill. I’m paying because the process of me paying for dinner in itself is the pleasure, not the outcome. And Aristotle said that you have to live in the pleasure of the thing, not in what’s gonna come out of what you do. Now, you can’t do that with an abuser or a sociopathic because you pay all the time.

You gotta do it with people that have goodwill, people that are willing to, and when my friend says I do that, I don’t think I pay. They pay in the long run. There’s a goodwill. That’s what kills it. Admiration. Dopamine, very good. Dopamine, very good for anti anti-aging and anti uh, dementia and all that. What kills it? [00:31:00] Envy. I say, Hey, hey guy, you’re doing really, really well. I know, but I mean, you know, you’re in Australia and it’s easier. Forget it. You’re doing really well. I admire what you’re doing. Dopamine, see how the culture’s kill it. So, and, and curiosity also, dopamine, centenarians are very curious.

It’s anti dementia to be curious. So I’ll say, um, I’m curious about this. I wanna, I wanna learn, I wanna do this, I wanna do that. Good for you. If you are afraid of the future and exploring and staying in the sameness. Not good for you, not the dopamine. So the cultures are set to keep you within the pale, which is what ages you. Within the pale. All centenarians are outliers. Whether they live in Sardinia or they live in in Koya, same thing. They had, they’re outliers. Very different than their families.

Guy: Yeah. Okay. What about belief systems then and when we start to come up [00:32:00] against ourselves and we don’t even know it. ’cause quite often we, we self-sabotage. We like, we, we do these things and it’s, it’s kind of, it feels like it’s embedded in us like a tick. You know what I mean? And it’s like, it’s why do I, why do I keep doing that? Why do I, why do I keep repeating those patterns?

Dr. Mario: Well, that’s the default mode network. It’s called default mode network in the brain. That’s the part. That basically manages you when you’re not paying attention, you’re driving your car, you’re not thinking, you’re kind of going off and, and all of a sudden you get there. You don’t realize that’s a default mode. It’s very good, but that’s the one that has the learned process of who you are. So I’ll give you an example. I, I was going to, five days a week I go to the gym and then on Saturdays I go to a place to recycle. I was driving on Saturday, supposed to go to the recycle, but I wasn’t paying attention. So the default mode kicks in and I drive up to the gym. I say, what am I doing? Default mode.

So you have to stop and, and what gets you out of default mode is curiosity. [00:33:00] Curiosity, okay. So for example, you come up with a, one of the, um, self-sabotage and you say, I’m gonna, I’m gonna work out now because, uh, I wanna stay young. All of a sudden you say, I mean, look at your uncle, he was your age, and look, he, he looked terrible. You stop, say, oh, wait a minute. Lemme take a deep breath. What is different from me and my uncle? What is different from me now? And then what is different? And that’s a way of indirectly creating curiosity. And then. You’re creating new neuro maps, but the neuro maps need to grow by practice, and then you have to say, how can I get evidence to show me that I’m different than my uncle?

How can I live different than my uncle? Then the new default mode will, uh, will give you permission to be different than your uncle. It’s neuropsychological, but it has a lot of psycho neurology in it too.

Guy: Yeah. Okay. It’s like we, we have a saying in our, in our events and retreats, when something starts to come up is to say, is to be the observer and say, ah, isn’t that interesting?[00:34:00]  Which creates, yeah. Yeah. Curiosity.

Dr. Mario: That’s right. And then go, next step would be, okay, now what am I gonna do about it new? What am I and what, what? All of this comes from the, from the old brain, the reptilian brain. About, uh, maybe 30,000 years ago when we didn’t have awareness of our awareness. The cave people or the ancient, uh, the chrom Magnus and so forth. There’s a theory, uh, by came, um, brain it’s called, that actually said that before, that people thought that the thoughts they had were coming from God and God was, was one that was leading you. Then we became aware of our awareness and we know that those thoughts are coming from us, but you have some residuals there, and what I do is I call ’em either sirens or demons.

That’s what you have to differentiate. You want you get up to go work out. I’m getting up at six to work out. Either the demon or the siren will come on from Greek mythologist siren will say, come on, you can sleep another hour. [00:35:00] It’s, uh, pleasure seeking only and avoiding pain. You can sleep another hour. The demon puts you down or brings you fear. Look, it’s raining. You might have an accident. You might hurt your back. You might. And then if you pay attention to that, you’re done. It’s not just turning it off. There’s a way to do it. You say, okay, like you said, yes, that’s possible. Guess what? I’m gonna do something different.

You put on your shoes, then the demon comes on and says, well, remember it’s raining. Yes, it is raining. Put on the other shoe. It has to be curiosity with action. If you don’t take action, you’re done. Action is what gets you out of that mindset.

Guy: Yeah. So get moving.

Dr. Mario: Get moving. It’s,

Guy: yeah.

Dr. Mario: And it’s literally, um, and not an easy thing, but if you practice it, you’ll see how the demons and the sirens go away. ’cause they don’t have a function anymore.

Guy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It literally is. Um, and even as a fitness train, I always to say, 90% of the work is showing up just to get here. Yeah. And then the rest will take care of itself. That’s

Dr. Mario: right. That’s [00:36:00] right. You know, and when you finish, you don’t have to be, you don’t have to reward yourself like a rad. So I did it. What you do is you. Stop and say, I just finished working out. How does it feel? That’s it. No reinforcement. How wonderful. How does it feel? And that is the MINDBODY code for reinforcement, not I’m good or I’m fine. Or just how does it feel? That’s it. Done.

Guy: Yeah. You

Dr. Mario: don’t have to do anything.

Guy: Wow. So you spoke a lot about, as well, just pulling, pulling apart some of the things you mentioned about um. This concept of time and also this, so if an inflammation, an inflammation, so inflammation, being a, a contributor to aging, um, which I know there’s studies as well, it leads to chronic disease and if so, if we’re constantly inflamed and things like that. So, so often though, in today’s. Um, Western society. Once this, only once the symptom arises and we can physically see it, do we then treat the [00:37:00] symptom and never really the root holistic cause of how that could have been manifesting for many years. When, what have you witnessed in your studies or in time to, I guess, conditions that might have been there for a while, but by actually adopting this lifestyle and this, this thinking process, have you seen things start to manifest and show up in a, in a healthy way? So, so the body then.

Dr. Mario: But have to be aware of the pressure that we talked about, the pressure that the culture, including doctors and because doctors are part of the, the, the, the culture, the theologians, everybody. So you go to the doctor and there’s nothing against doctor. This is how they’re trained. Uh, you know, I told, I was trained by doctors, so it’s, uh, but you go there and you are 30 and you’re, you have a little bit of, uh, inflammation. If you have a good doctor say, let’s see if we can work on it by working out or, or getting rid of some of the sugar that you’re eating. That kind of thing wastes off you to take care of it. [00:38:00] If you’re 80, what do you want for your age? It’s inflammation. That’s your age. That’s what you want. That’s it, and that, and that’s it.

And then anti-inflammatories and this and that. And for the rest of your life, you’re on medication. The attribution given is what the medicine’s gonna be. Based on the age. In many cases we train doctors. Wow. When? When working in these longevity clinics, they never ask the age till the end of the interview. And they get very surprised because when you say 90, okay, you’ve been put into the 90, but 30 you put, you never tell your age never because they’ll put you in unless you have to. They put you into a portal and they begin to treat you based on that, and you become a co-author of that age based on the culture, not your own individuality.

Guy: Yeah. Interesting. So I, how do we, how do we start to then adopt these things? I’m start, I’m thinking about, like, for instance, um. Like my, my [00:39:00] wife, funnily enough, when we, when she was over 40, when, when we had our baby, and the fact that she was over 40, the, the medical system treated her completely different, of course, as if she was thir 39. And it’s just a number, it’s just a digit, and it’s, and it’s, it’s a great example. It’s just a bracket. Great. And that can be, that can be terrifying. Of course. Like fortunately, we do what we do and we, we are very health conscious and, and, and understand. But even that pressure that was coming on and that we, we we’re having a baby and, and you know, there’s certain unknowns into, especially if you haven’t done it before as well. Sure. And it’s just imposed upon you instantly,

Dr. Mario: you know? And not even, not even, not only the, your wife. Your, your child is getting the stress from your wife and is getting, you’re lucky because you, you know better. And you, you say, okay, fine, but you’re right. 39 point, uh, 364 days, you’re not but 40 now. Okay, now it’s different. We gotta treat you [00:40:00] differently. Your blood pressure is, uh, at two points you have hypertension. No, you don’t. You don’t have hypertension. It’s based on numbers rather than the individual. And, and a lot of the research that this place is doing, the uh, uh, genus glyco that the product is, uh, glyco age, they’re doing extensive work.

They’ve published in more than 300 of the best, um, professional journals in the world. Uh, science and nature and all that. And what they’re finding when they look at what’s better to eat meat. Or not eat meat. What’s better to exercise, not exercise. What they’re finding is it is, depending on the individual exercise is good for some people, not for some people, some food good, some people not good for some people. But what is good is activity and moderation activity and, and staying active and moderation of what you eat. Now, I’m not suggesting you eat all junk food because it’s not good, but I’m, uh, Warren Buffet with 93. He goes to a McDonald’s two or three times a week.

Guy: Wow.

Dr. Mario: It’s not, [00:41:00] and his parents died early. By the way. He’s not, not genetics, but he loves what he does and it has an overwrite. What is the best thing not to eat junk and love what you do, it’s even better.

Guy: Yeah, yeah, that’s right. I try and fall into that bracket these days, that’s for sure. Yeah. You know what, what do you, I’m curious about your lifestyle, Mario. Like how do you, can you give us a typical morning or a day, like how do you embrace all this that you’ve learned?

Dr. Mario: Well, I have to fight it because, you know, I come from a culture, Spanish, French culture, and you have all these things about growing old, and what you have to look at is the markers. I call the, the, the, the landmark of meaning, and you have to ask yourself, when I was about nine or 10, how did my grandmother look? She looked real old and she was only 50. You gotta be careful with that because you’re telling your body at 50 this is high enough to look. Wow. So you have to be aware of that. They asked children. In the fifth grade, listen to this. How does a 40-year-old [00:42:00] person look like? And they go, oh, give me a glass of water.

A 40-year-old, what do you think they’re doing to their landmarks? They’re creating at 40, this is what you are decrepit. And so you have to be aware of that first thing. And then second is that you have to, you have to determine, and you have to label yourself an outlier. I don’t have the illnesses of my family. I don’t have, uh, the epigenetics of my family. They can only be triggered the probabilities. So I get up at six and I do a little meditation, uh, watch my emails, and then I go work out. If I don’t work out around seven or eight. The sirens will beat me and I’ll stay without working out. So I know that the sirens are coming in.

So I go, I work out, then I have lunch. I have a nice lunch, and then I do all the work. I need to do more meditation. Um, then I take that, that, uh, that cardio fit, uh, uh, liquid, and that’s it. Then I have dinner. That’s it. I go for walks. Uh, no supplements other than what [00:43:00] I told you. And then when the sirens come in, because they’re gonna be there and the, and the demons come in and say, well, come on. Look, uh, what’s going on? You, you just allow yourself to be old. It’s okay to be old. You stop again and you become an outlier again. You have to jump into outlier ship every time that happens, uh, because, for example, gerontologists will tell you the ones who are not up to date, that as you grow older time, it’s gonna go faster.

They say, well, it’s the chemistry of the brain and is that you’re getting older and you have less time to be around. Nothing like that. It’s a lack of curiosity that stops at 30 for most people. Curiosity, elongates time, monotony, uh, shrinks time. So what they call the the first 30. Your first love, your first broken heart, your first this, and the brain pays a lot of attention to the first, and it may and elongates your perception of time after 30, I’ve already been married, I’ve done this, I’ve been that, and you stop being [00:44:00] curious and then time compresses.

You ask a veterinarian, do you feel like time? Do you believe that that time is going faster? Now it’s going the same as it always, because they’re very curious. If I wear a centenarian and say, Hey, guy, what kind of microphone is that? Very, very curious. Like children. That’s dopamine.

Guy: Yeah. It’s like very wondrous, isn’t it? Yeah. Very wondrous. Exactly. The wonders of the world. What about, um, connection? What, what are your thoughts on that? In terms of ensuring that we, we connect with other people and, and. We are around that companionship as well. Like you spoke of the breaking bread and the family times and things like that. And very family. ’cause family can also, um, generate a lot of emotion if you, yes, you don’t connect with your parents or your mother-in-law behaves in a certain way around you, your, your kids all the time. You know, there’s, there’s so many. You wanna, you wanna

Dr. Mario: limit it. There are toxic people in the family that you don’t wanna write off. What [00:45:00] you give ’em is the milligrams of love that they can handle. If you have a mother-in-law who’s toxic, and you say to yourself, if I see her every day for three hours, am I gonna feel guilty or am I gonna feel resentful? I’m gonna feel resentful, so I gotta cut it. And you give the milligrams of love. I can handle her once a week for an hour, and then I give her all of me for an hour, and then I’m gone and give, and, and what happens is that the love is, is toxic for people who are like that.

If they’re having a good time with you and all of a sudden going well, and all of a sudden they, without even being aware, something’s wrong here, I’m feeling too good and say, Hey guy, you’re looking older. You gained some weight. They do that to disengage you from the joy. And when that happens, you know the milligrams of love are over. And you say, um, well, maybe I have, I don’t know how to look at myself in the mirror. I gotta go. I love you. Bye. If you engage, you enter the world of toxicity.

Guy: Yeah. Okay. I, I, just a caveat, my, my mother-in-law’s great. I’m, I’m just using our, you better say that. So, [00:46:00] so just as we start to tie up the podcast though. So what about then companionship as opposed to isolation and things like that, like. Quite often we could be craving other people or, or craving love in our life, or is that still a perception that

Dr. Mario: to a certain degree is a perception. For example, you, if you’re not in a relationship, you don’t have to be lonely. You could long for someone, but you don’t have to be lonely. So examples, um, monks live alone. They don’t have a lot of relationships, so the differences between aloneness. Feeling lonely and, and solitude and feeling good. It’s good to have connections with people. It’s very important. But the most important connection you have is how you treat yourself when nobody’s looking. If you have that, you don’t go look for something missing. You, you co-author it with someone rather than, I, I’m, I’m lonely, so I need somebody. When you’re lonely, someone’s not gonna help you. You have to help yourself. And then when you feel the solitude, [00:47:00] then you can go for longing for a relationship. And that’s okay, but not, not lonesome. That’s the difference.

Guy: Yeah, that’s huge, isn’t it? What you just said. I think so. We are not seeking the external to fill an internal. Need. It has to be filling a, yeah, we’re filling our, our internal need by like you say what we do by ourselves, we’re already emanating that. And then you co for some people.

Dr. Mario: Yes. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. And that’s a big mistake that we all make. ’cause we’re taught that you gotta be around people because it’s good. You gotta be around selective people. Not everybody. You only need just a few people, not a lot. And those people matter. But more than that, it is actually bad more than that. Because you’re gonna find some who are gonna be toxic.

Guy: Yeah. Yeah. No, I can relate to that. Well, we’ve covered a lot of ground today, Mario. Is there, is there anything that we, I haven’t brought up or you wanted to cover just to ensure before we, we wrap up the podcast today?

Dr. Mario: Well, first that, uh, there are a lot of good things happening in Australia. You’re [00:48:00] gonna, you’re gonna bring up your centenarians, uh, significantly in, in the next, uh, 30 years that your lifespan is high, as high as higher than the United States is, is almost as high as, uh, Japan. So you’re doing something right. And I think if you become, if you find more outliers and find more of these, um, subcultures of, of wellness or, or as you say, your, your, uh, black sheep, uh, group. Then you’re gonna do a lot better and I suggest that you take the test that, that we have that’s gonna be available on my website and if you want to do the blood work and you’ll be able to see some things that, that, that nobody else has to offer.

Guy: Yeah. Amazing. Can you make sure you send me those links as well? I’ll, I’ll put them in the, in the show notes, but we just say it out loud. Where can we send people if they wanna do the test?

Dr. Mario: It’s, uh, by bio cognitive.com is our worth our website. It’s not gonna be up till the end of the month, not till about the 22nd of, uh, of March. After that, it’ll be up and then you can take it and it’ll give you immediate results on, on my test. And the other one, you order it and within [00:49:00] three weeks you get results back.

Guy: Oh, beautiful. Well, this will be live by then, so I’m, I’m, yes, I’m sure people good. That’ll be good.

Dr. Mario: So, uh, it’s always a pleasure and you’re doing a great job and you look good. Uh, so thank you, Mario. You’re welcome. You see, thank you for noticing. That’s right. Oh, also, before I go, please tell your audience to never use No problem. Because a brain has 150,000 years of problem means fight or flight. So if I say, Hey, you did such a great job. No problem. You kill it. If you say thank you, oxytocin.

Guy: Wow. The body’s amazing, isn’t it? Uh, it’s just triggered. One last question for me, for us to ponder on when we leave, then our word needs to be impeccable, doesn’t it? When we speak.

Dr. Mario: Yes, very much because your speech is the reflection of your brain. If you’re saying no problem, if you’re saying like, uh, I feel like, do you feel or do you feel like something, you gotta be direct, what I call the oviedo [00:50:00] effect, which I’ll, you can go to my website and see it. Uh, and that is that you say, for example, like, I talked to him and like he said, uh, like, you know, I said, I talked to him and he told me not to go period clean to the point. That reflects on your brain and it takes you away from the deterioration of the brain because you’re clear and you’re direct. But give people permission to not like what you have to say. And then look at it as that they’re rejecting your gift, not you. Ah.

Guy: Wow.

Dr. Mario: And, uh, and the Oviedo effect from, it’s really funny because you have to look at it a little deeper. Uh, I dunno if you saw the film, but it’s a Woody Allen, it’s great. Javier Bar Barda plays the, the Spaniard, uh, painter. And he goes to these two women and he says, uh, are you American? And he said, oh, yes, we are. One, one is kind of very naive, but open. The other one’s skeptic. And he says, uh, I’d like to invite you to Oviedo. One of them says, what’s in Oviedo? And I said, well, [00:51:00] there’s a sculptor there that I like very much, and I’d like to invite you. I have my friend’s plane and I’m a good pilot.

And the skeptic says, um oh, so we’re gonna fly right back. No, no, we’re staying over for the weekend. I’ll show you around the town. We’ll have good food, we’ll have good wine, and we’ll make love. And the skeptic says, and who’s gonna be making love? He says, hopefully the three of us. Now that sounds chauvinistic and everything, but he’s saying, this is what I am. If you want this, fine. If you don’t, I’m not gonna take it as a JE rejection. I’m gonna take it as a rejection of my gift. And that’s the O effect, not just for romance, but for anything. Get to the point, that’s it. And then get permission to not like it. But they’re not liking your gift. It’s not you.

Guy: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That’s authenticity right there, isn’t it?

Dr. Mario: That’s right. Authenticity. Very healthy authenticity.

Guy: Are we ever gonna see you back in Australia? Mario, do you have any plans?

Dr. Mario: I’m, I’m thinking about, yeah, because I’d like to go out there and do some, some work and, uh, and take my, uh, my [00:52:00] research over there. So I’m looking for some conferences or some things that I could do or maybe do, uh, a workshop there sometime, like I did a few years ago. Uh, it was wonderful. Uh, I love the flat white. That was great. I learned about that. Yeah,

Guy: right. Absolutely. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Good on you. Mario. Thank you so much for coming on. It’s lovely to Congratulations on

Dr. Mario: the work You do. You do beautiful work. Enjoy. I appreciate that. Alright. Thank you so much.

Guy: You’re welcome.