#128 Myself, Petra Brzovic and Matt Omo recently appeared in the global online ‘Flow Summit’. I wanted to bring that conversation here for you all 🙂
We dive into some great topics including… What is flow? How can that bring more fulfillment and happiness in our lives? The number one factor to what creates happiness from the inside out. And we also break down our coaching framework; The 4 Pillars Of Flow. Enjoy!
About Guy Lawrence:
In 2010 Guy co-founded health & wellness company 180 Nutrition. He has spent the last 15 years turning over every stone within the health industry to find out what actually truly makes us happy, healthy and strong and live a fulfilled life. At the beginning of 2018, Guy stepped down from 180 Nutrition to follow his heart & Live In Flow was born.
About Petra Brzovic:
Petra is a certified transpersonal and clinical hypnotherapist, regression and Past life regression therapist, Life between Lives therapist, yoga teacher and aromatherapist.
Petra has been working on the latest Body & mind medicine discoveries. With an international team of scientists she is running research on brain, mind, body and soul connection, consciousness and healing.As Master Trainer and Instructor Petra is training and teaching therapists around the world, helping them learn how to help others heal.
About Matt Omo:
Matt is a leader of the sound healing movement in Australia with over 15 years of experience working with a variety of sound healing techniques bridging cultures and traditions from around the world. The work and awareness around sound healing and its benefits are growing every day. Matt is developing new programs and products to meet this need and continue to support people in discovering the benefits of the healing power of sound.
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Matt: That’s sounded like a good cocktail. I don’t know what you said there, but you’re probably saying how good looking guy is. Right?
Petra: Of course. Of course. He’d just, it’s shaved and has a haircut for us and everything.
Matt: That’s it.
Petra: I said I love you and I’m happy to have you with me here.
Guy: Beautiful. Thank you. You know, the lovely thing is I never hear you speaking in your native language, Petra. So it’s, it’s really lovely to hear. So I just assumed cause she was smiling, it was all nice things about us. So I’m happy with that.
Petra: Now you make fun of my English and we will be working together, right, Matt?
Matt: Never. I never do.
Matt: No, so um,
Matt: yeah. Did you share with everybody what we do and how we come together?
Petra: I just said that we are doing work together, so yeah, we can dive into a little bit more deeper. Matt, you can say a few words about it.
Matt: Oh, well I just, um, you know, we’ve created a business together called Live in Flow where we’re running retreats. We’ve had five sold out retreats at this point. And, um, with the way the world has shifted, we’ve upleveled our online presence and doing a whole bunch of new courses and things around that. We’re just really excited to see where things go. I think. Um, so we’re gonna talk about flow today, aren’t we?
Petra: Oh, yeah. That’s why we’re here.
Guy: Yeah, hundred percent.
Guy: It’s a nice place to start and obviously for people that we’re meeting, if it was for the first time, hello, and what we, what we like to do when we run an ever run a webinar or a conversation like this is we actually like to introduce each other just to share two minutes each. So instead of me introducing myself, I thought I would start with Matt and introduce Matt Omo there. Uh, as you can see behind him, he has a this incredible, uh, looking gong, which, I’ve experienced firsthand. And, uh, it is probably the most powerful instrument, I’ve ever experienced, which is amazing. And just to introduce Matt, I know Matt’s been working with sound now for probably close to 17 years. Would that be correct? Math and working with people and transformation and, uh, I got to experience maths first. I worked firsthand probably about seven, eight years ago and I was absolutely blown away by the, the work that he does. And, uh, and from that we’ve become good friends and ended up working together and working alongside math has been an incredible journey for myself too. So, um, yeah, I’d love to introduce Petra as well, but I’m not going to cause so many amazing things to say about Petra as well, but I will pass the Baton to Matt and, uh, yeah.
Matt: Yeah. You sure are. You can run the whole a little session here, right? Like, just keep talking. So thanks for that. And I’ll introduce Petra. Uh, which is the easy part because she’s the most beautiful out of all of us. So, um, there’s only good things to say about Petra and it’s not just this external beauty that you see in front of you. It’s that she’s also got this huge heart and she, all of her work comes straight from the heart and you can’t help but drop into a heart coherence or a heart opening when you start to work with this amazing woman. So it’s just been an honor to get to know her over the last couple of years and to really work hand in hand with um, some of the magic that she weaves to her, um, deep meditations and NLP and hypnotherapy and you name it. She’s got it under a belt, I reckon. So that’s Petra. It’s just an honor to work with you, Petra.
Petra: Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. What is beautiful words. Yeah, always have goosebumps when we do this introduction. And let me say a few words about the guy guy is just as amazing as the two of us are as well. I mean guys, the guys, the guy that got us together and that’s trust with his heart and said, okay, we’re going to work together and we have to join our forces and share our, our gifts with the world. And that’s the beauty of guy because he follows his heart. Um, which doesn’t mean that it’s always easy and I think it’s a great introduction to what we’re going to talk about today because the guy was a successful businessman running a big company, but he wasn’t happy and then he decided to follow his heart and do what we’re doing now, which wasn’t an easy decision, but it was the best decision, one of the best decisions of his life. Oh, I’m more than honored to have the opportunity to work with you guy. Um, and I didn’t mention your amazing podcast with the amazing people top, um, you know, how do we say an English, what do we say?
Matt: leaders say maybe the leaders in the industry.
Petra: Yeah, I mean, people you have on your podcast, it’s just blows my mind week after week, um, their stories and, and the knowledge they share with us. So thank you for following your heart and putting all three of us together. That’s why we’re here today.
Guy: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for the kind words. I know. Well let’s get into it. They’re here. We’re here to discuss flow. And the on the top of the mind is, well, what is flow to you? Who would like to start? Let’s throw it over to you first. Matt.
Matt: I don’t feel I feel half that if he didn’t do it every time we have a session like this, you always throw a question right in my lap, don’t ya? I can sit fantastic. I mean, that is the, the question of the, of the moment, isn’t it? What is flow? And, um, you know, it usually I think of when I hear flow is I think of my great aunt. Um, well, no, I’m just joking. Um, uh, when I, when I think of flaw, it’s, it’s like that. It’s a flow. It’s a movement. It’s like a river flowing downstream. And to me, that’s what life is. Life is, um, you know, it’s got a rhythm. It’s got, uh, a beat to it and it just, it moves in that, um, when we live in flow, what we’re doing is we’re aligning ourselves to that momentum of evolution, of unfoldment of life that is always breathing through us. It’s always beating in our hearts. It’s wanting to constantly flow and just move. And so our lives then can become that. And when we live in flow, we are in a constant progression of evolvement, of, of opening, of unfoldment, of growth, of inspiration, of fulfillment. You know, all these things that we strive to embrace is what is embodying a life of flow. So that’s kind of my overview of what I think of when I think of what is flow. Petra, what do you think?
Guy: Yeah. And you know, when you were saying about the stream or the river, the flow, I hadn’t wished enough of the river and that you can own little stones and obstacles. It’s, for me it’s like flowing despite the obstacles and seeing every obstacle as a challenge instead of a problem or issue. Um, and you know, using techniques and tools that help us to transform those obstacles into challenges and, um, to look at life as a play as much as we can, which I, I’m the first one that can say they was extremely hard for me because I was raised up to take life really seriously. You know, so life is no play for me. It wasn’t, um, but especially, you know, working with you guys for the last few years, it’s helped me really shift into playfulness and lightness and, uh, enjoying life. So yeah. What would you guys say?
Guy: Well, I don’t see that. And then coming from that enjoyment, we find flow. We find the moments more, I think, I think for me on my own journey, there’s been so many moments that have passed me by because I’m so caught up in striving for something that’s beyond myself. And sometimes I felt like I’m chasing happiness or I’m, or I’m chasing to find my purpose. And there’s all these things and we’re going back to what both of you just said. You know, with finding the rhythm of life and flowing through the river and meeting your obstacles. To me, there’s, there’s almost, for me it’s about coming back to myself in a way of being, not just from the mind, but a state of being and from that state of being, my, the, the essence of who I am wants to come through. And the more I connect to that essence of who I am, the truth of me, if you like, without the stress, without the things where I’ve ever, I’ve told myself from all the that I might arise from, from my own sort of way of thinking.
Guy: Um, I find that that’s where the rhythm starts to come in and that’s where the flow starts to come from. And then I realized I can, I can be my purpose, I can be happy and I’m not striving beyond it. And then from that life tends to flow more from it. So that’s where I kind of always like to remind myself and lean into, I’m trying not to let the moment slip me by, um, as much as they can do. And we’re so fixated on the external things all the time, you know? Yeah. So that’s probably a great place to start. And then what, then the next thing is, is like, if that’s what we look at, what is flow? Well, why do we want that? Exactly.
Matt: Yeah. That’s the, that’s the key question. It’s, it’s this idealistic thing, isn’t it, to want to live in flow or have this concept of what flow is, but what is the driving force behind that? Why are we so fixated on this? The sense of flow in our lives. And, um, and I think it comes down to, um, wanting to be happy, you know, wanting to be fulfilled. Mmm. Wanting to live life to the fullest, don’t you think?
Guy: Very much so. Yeah. But, um, what I would add to that is, is that it’s quite often it’s, it’s hard to be happiness if we’re constantly striving for something outside of the house to fulfill, fulfill the need and happiness within us. Yeah. And, um, you know, it’s, it’s fascinating and I’ve got a couple of bullet points here that I think we should really touch on. And I know Petra, you, you know, when we were having this conversation a couple of days ago, you, it was incredible what come out of it, but the, the fact that, uh, there was a great big study and Harvard, uh, I think it was, was it Harvard? That Harvard study? Yeah. And there’s many, many years. I’ve got the stats, I won’t bore you with the stats so much, but they, they spent a lot of millions of dollars researching, working with a lot of people, really a huge spectrum of time. I think I can’t even decades of people finding out, well what is the key. So happiness and, and the number one result was connection. And then we started to dissect. So I thought, Patrick, maybe you want to speak to connection a little bit because what I notice from that I think is so valuable.
Guy: Yeah. I mean it was just the moment that it really got so clear when we had this conversation a few days ago that um, through the work we do, we actually become connected with ourselves, uh, with the community that we create, whether on our live events or, um, online events as well. Um, and connection to the source to God. And I think that connection, if we had all the three components together, it’s just, that’s it. If we are connected to ourselves, right to our hearts, um, we live a true purpose. We live from the heart every day. If we have the sense of connection with people that love us, um, and that we love and we feel really connected to the divine and guided and loved. What do we need? Right?
Guy: It’s all within us. Why, why do you think though? And it’s human nature and I’ve been guilty of this as much as the next person. We deny ourselves that connection because we get into these States and some, sometimes we get into these disability and States and if, if, if it comes back, the essence of actually reconnecting back to ourselves, reconnecting to people within our lives and actually being aware and reconnecting as the source is a source energy as well.
Guy: Because we come here to learn, right? I mean, living on earth is being in a school and we come to learn certain lessons and we wouldn’t be able to learn it unless we would have this drive to find the connection with ourselves if we wouldn’t have the drive to get into, um, where his relationships with people in order to learn lessons. And also to remember that we are actually always not connected to the wine. We are the wine. Um, but that’s the beauty of the life to be, you know, evolving and figuring it out along the way.
Guy: Yeah. Have you got anything to add to that night?
Matt: No, not at the moment. I think you’re hitting it on the head there.
Guy: Yeah. And then from that, so, so then, okay, so what we’ve discussed in broken down in the past as well is that, well having a framework around that cause it’s all well and good to say, okay, we need to connect to our heart. We need to connect to source energy, we need to connect to two others. But then I guess it comes down to well how do we do that? What are the ways we’re going to look at that?
Guy: So, and then we said almost came with a great structure and we fell in love with it.
Matt: Yeah. No, I think we all came up with it. I don’t think you would just mind doing compliments. Patrick, my head won’t fit on this monitor.
Guy: [inaudible] head is on the gong tonight when we do the soundtrack.
Matt: Um, no, I think it’s, I think it is a great model. And, and, and the reason like what we’ve basically done is broken down the, the construct of living in flow into a before stage process or four pillars. They don’t really kind of, it’s not this one, then this one, then this one. It’s like they all work in collaboration to support one another. And I think the, the crux of it is, is that, you know, from my experience in my journey, I’ve, I’ve done lots of different types of work and modalities and learn different techniques and things and, and a large majority of it was separate from my life and that I would go through processes of practices and then it’s like, okay, this is in this little bubble of my spiritual, personal development kind of work. And then there’s my life, which is a lot of my life has been upside down and chaotic and, and, you know, not as I had planned.
Matt: And so it’s like, how do I actually implement this into my life was, was the critical component. And I think a lot of, um, work misses that construct of that we’re actually in physical bodies for a reason. You know, it’s not this, we will out of this world kind of a pursuit. It’s actually bringing that expanse that the wine that you speak of the vine, Petra back in to our, um, our lives and our everyday moments. And then if the, the ultimate progression then is that if we can, um, live from a consciously aware state, a meditative state in each moment with our eyes open. Right guy.
Guy: Yeah. I love it. No, I won’t interrupt. Please keep going. But you can just, it just reminded me of, I think I’ve said to someone before, but a journalist was interviewing me, um, last year, the year before and uh, and he said, look, this is my bugbear about meditation. And I was like, Oh, what’s that? And he said, I know people that meditate and I still don’t like them as a person. They’re not very much. That’s it. That’s it. And I laugh because yeah, you know, it’s not like I said this because it’s what we do with our eyes open during the days. The true active meditation. Right, exactly. Just having a practice and then going back to our old self. Is the answer expecting not to fix it?
Matt: No, it’s, yeah, it’s, it’s kind of ironic. The most unconscious people I’ve met are in conscious communities. So, um, it’s kind of awkward
Guy: because that’s her great escape. You know, there’s this huge trap if you have a, you know, some issues and challenges in your life and then you think, okay, I might start meditating or doing this practice of that practice and everything will work out. No it won’t. If you don’t take care of it in your everyday life, nothing will, you know, change because you can not escape from your life. We all came here for a reason. We came to experience being in our bodies, living these lives and we have to do the work and work is of course in meditation and you know, getting all the downloads and information and being wiser and more aware. But then we really have to face the challenges that we have. Right. And again,
Guy: absolutely. Let’s go, let’s go back to the four pillars. I was just thinking that. Yeah. Cause that’s cause that’s it. That’s the four, four
Matt: pillars that have come into being for ’em through our work is cause we were seeing that a lot. And so, you know, they, they break down to you’ve got awareness is the first quadrant. Then you’ve got um, acceptance being the second quadrant, feeding into intention and then action, you know, and if you look at those four components, those four components together create a solid foundation then for us to start to one, gain more awareness, the first quadrant opened into and allowing into that flow and then intentionally create action moving forward from a heart centered place. And um, you know, we go well into depth into it in our retreats and our deeper work. But the whole construct of just sitting with that idea of uh, awareness, first acceptance, intention and action really start to get the gears turning and really start to open you up then to how do I first gain a greater perspective of who I am internally, what’s going on in my life externally.
Matt: Um, and then how do I embrace the fullness of it? It’s like a self loving thing. And that acceptance, if you can accept what is, then you’re allowing life to move through you instead of fighting your way through life. And then from that space of awareness and an acceptance, you’ve got some momentum then to drop into an intention, which basically becomes the focal point of like we talked about that field of light bulbs. It’s like we have this current of life wanting to move through us and we, our lives become this field of different light bulbs. And it can be, you know, positive things or negative things that we’re shining light on, putting the charge through to create, um, an energy to create an experience. And then the question is, what do you want to aluminate in your life? And it’s, is it heart focused stuff from an intention of heartful, um, focus? Or is it, um, uh, restrictive, uh, you know, depressive kind of space and then, yeah. Then take action and make movement, do things in your life too, um, create an impact. Yeah. So that’s the overview of it, I reckon.
Guy: Totally. And, and what, what came to mind then that I think about often as I embody those pillars is that I know, I’m sure everyone watching this as well would agree we’re not the same person we were five years ago or 10 years ago. If we look back, like we’re looking back, we’re looking, be able to look back at ourselves with a greater level of awareness to the person we probably were back then because we’re in the school of life, right? We’re growing. We continually, um, you know, getting pushed and prodded and stretched. So growth comes from that as we live and experience life. And for me, I know five years from now I’m going to be at a greater level of awareness to where I am now and having the humility to realize that, but then there’s things in my life that I need to deal with and begin to accept and be able to move through.
Guy: So when I get to that five years from, I know how to move through that and then it’s bringing an intention and an action behind that. As those as life continues to change and evolve because life is changing and continually evolving, right? And we don’t want to resist the change. So in my mind I’m like, well, how can I condense that time down and start to bring that acceptance and more now bringing that awareness more now, bringing that intention and action more now as opposed to continually just waiting and getting pushed around and allowing life to, to knock us around as opposed to gain in a greater level of awareness with all those tools. And then being able to hold a resilience and empowerment within myself, like you said, math and then being able to direct that into, or do I want to eliminate in my life? Where do I want to actually direct myself moving forward? And that’s how I kind of see that play out in myself. Yeah. Hmm. That’s true. Would you like try to anything before we wrap up the conversation?
Matt: No, this hearing all that, it’s exciting. Hi. Just, it’s like
Guy: it just inspires me when we start talking about this stuff as long as I can. I’m going to ask you a question. I’m like, I asked everyone on my podcast,
Matt: this is unrehearsed. You got to go to Petra first because the first question
Guy: I ask everyone at the end of my podcast, with everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you’d like to share with our listeners to ponder on?
Petra: Yeah. To ponder on awareness, acceptance, intention and action. Actually that’s when I was listening to you. Now it came, what really came to me is like, yes, I’ve been trying to live this way, like consciously in last, I don’t know how many years, but since we really broke it down and those four steps or four parts, it’s so much easier to leave your life even more consciously, you know, having the awareness of awareness, acceptance, intention and action. So I’m really grateful for all the standard we spend together and our, uh, my early morning meetings with you and you know, just having those conversations because it really brings a whole new light on my life and that we can bring it to other people as well. So, yeah. So with the awareness, if that will be the message for our audience. For me it’s awareness really. Because without awareness, we don’t know where we need to go or anything. What we need to do. My question,
Matt: I was trying to think of what to say, but there’s a, there’s a song that keeps repeating in my head and it reminds me, it’s a song that Wayne Dyer refer to at times. Um, he said it’s the, it’s got the meaning of life in it and it’s, um, it’s row, row, row your boat. And he would break it down. He would say, you know, he listened to the lyrics row, row your boat gently down the stream, gently down stream. Merrily, merrily, life has put a dream right. And if you really look at those words, like in there is the secret to life. And I think it’s so true. It’s like gently be gentle, be kind to yourself as you’re rowing downstream, not upstream. And you know, merrily, merrily have some freaking fun. Lighten up. You know, we take life so seriously that we miss it. And then when we get out my like, dang, I should have had a bit more fun in those short moments that I was there. And I’m in life really is just to dream. It’s, it’s what you want to focus on. Where do you want to, what do you want to vision, what do you want to create? So not to me, roll your boat,
Guy: look at that. Amazing guys. Amazing.
Matt: What about you Mike? You’re gonna, you’re gonna wrap it up here with some profound wisdom
Guy: come in off of what you two have. Just shed. Um, you know, the, the thing that was turning for me is, is that the biggest lessons I’ve learned is that you got to get in the game. You’ve really got to take action and whether you fail, get it right, get it wrong, have fun, absolute, you know, all of this. But you’ve got to, you’ve got to, you can’t sit on the sidelines. And I’m like, I always remember here, and I know a lot of great philosophers, they, they, they, they constantly absorbing the work that reading books or going from one workshop to the next. And they just can’t take it. But you, you actually have to get in the action it and undo it. And that’s for me has been the greatest teacher for me is by having a framework but action in the framework and playing the game of life and you know, being in it. So that’s my, uh, lost. Yeah.
Matt: Alright. That was critical. That was a critical component. You were going to back out of that gotta be in it.
Guy: Beautiful guys. Thank you so much. It’s always a, I love having these conversations and uh, as always, just a pleasure to talk to you and hopefully everybody got something out of this today from our conversation as well.
Petra: Short and sweet. Sweet. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. And um, which we can just say goodbye to our audience. Right.
Matt: Do you want to say it in Croatian again? [inaudible] got it.
Petra: Oh, I can’t wait to be alive with you. Yeah, I’m going to say it in Croatian. Um, okay. So [inaudible] if would see them
Petra: the uh, [inaudible] [inaudible] that’d be genius. And now you can say goodbye as well.
Guy: Thanks guys!