#173 Today I’m here with the wonderful Marcus Pearce. Marc is a speaker, writer, and former radio and television producer. During our conversation today, we discuss the concept of an exceptional life. How can you make your life exceptional? What does that even mean? We talk about the consequences of mediocrity, its differences with simplicity, and why you could be playing your life on safe mode.
If you think you need to make a change in the way you live and elevate yourself, then this episode is for you.
“We own the responsibility to write our exceptional life.”
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About Marcus: Marcus Pearce is a former smoking, binge-drinking journalist, radio and television producer, Marcus’s media career included time at Leader newspapers, Sport 927 and SEN 1116 before concluding at Channel Nine and The AFL Footy Show in 2006. After meeting his now-wife Sarah in 2005, he slowly switched from sports media to health, wellness, and personal growth media. Sarah, a chiropractor, was the catalyst of Marcus’s health transformation from a Red Bull-guzzling, meat-eating smoker to a ginger-tea sipping teetotalling vegan, to somewhere back in the middle.
In 2013 Marcus and Damian Kristof began the podcast 100 Not Out: Mastering the Art of Ageing Well. In that same year, Marcus joined The Wellness Couch podcast network as the Executive Producer of events including The Wellness Summit. Since its inception, 100 Not Out has recorded more than 400 episodes and conversations with some of the planet’s most graceful agers, high achievers and interesting people. 100 Not Out has received almost one million downloads, whilst The Wellness Couch network surpassed 11 million listens in 2020.
In 2014 Marcus and his family moved to northern New South Wales. With Sarah now a stay-at-home mum, the time had arrived for Marcus to create the Exceptional Life Blueprint framework. He created an online program and began sharing his insights and trainings both digitally and in-person.
Since then, Marcus’s online courses have been consumed by over 20,000 people in 155 countries and he has delivered keynote presentations and trainings to companies as big as NAB all the way down to local communities. Sectors including banking, health, wellness and real estate trust Marcus to help their teams perform to exceptional standards.
Key points with time stamp:
- Writing Your Exceptional Life (00:06)
- What creates an exceptional life? (06:46)
- A simple life vs a mediocre one. What’s the difference? (10:36)
- Why do many of us settle for mediocrity? (13:37)
- Are there consequences to mediocrity? (17:13)
- What does it mean to be an Exceptional? (19:24)
- The story of Dr. Sanduk Ruit, the God of Sight (22:28)
- Is living through a crisis necessary for making change? (26:32)
- Are you being too safe? Can you get away with that? (29:40)
- Stop waiting for that wakeup call! (32:59)
- What is the Exceptional Life blueprint? (34:15)
- The power of simplicity (39:21)
- A low point that later became a blessing for Marcus (42:10)
- Allow free time to exist (46:31)
- Marcus’s morning routine (50:15)
- An Exceptional Marcus would have dinner with (52:03)
- Make the rest of your life, the best of your life (55:16)
Mentioned in this episode:
- Your Exceptional Life: Make the Rest of Your Life the Best of Your Life, 2021. Marcus’s book
- Healthy at 100: The Scientifically Proven Secrets of the World’s Healthiest and Longest-lived Peoples, 2006. A book by John Robbins
- Stuart Wilde, British writer
- Affirmations, 1986. A book by Stuart Wilde
- The Top 5 Regrets of the Dying, 2011. A book by Bronnie Ware
- Paul Rose, Australian sports coach
- The MindBody Code, 2014. A book by Mario Martinez
- Dr. Sanduk Ruit, a Nepalese ophthalmologist
- Fred Hollows
- Tony Robbins
- John Demartini
- Victor Hugo
- Les Miserables
- The Novel of the Century, 2017. A book by David Bellos
Marcus, welcome to the podcast.
Hi, great, man, thank you so much for having me.
I am pumped for today. I am not exaggerating, mate, I can tell you, I am so happy for you. Because I was thinking about how am I going to start this podcast? and Marcus today? You know, you’re a dear friend. I know you will. And, and I’ve decided, I’m going to ask you a really original question. And that is why did you write this book now? Before before I. And the reason why is obviously I’ve done like you a lot of interviews, probably over 300 over of my eight year podcasting career now. And I get to speak to a lot of people, I’ve written books as you as you imagine, right, because we want to bring awareness to a book. Yeah. And without putting any any authors down, sometimes get the feeling that they might be on the second or third book. And it feels like there’s a pressure coming because of the publicist. And they want to market their brand. And they want to get themselves out and this created from that. But I can put my hand on my heart. And I know for a fact that your book is coming from your heart. And it’s taking you a bloody long time. Some people thought it would never get done. Right? Which just inspires the shit out of me, because I’m somebody that is lea- is moving towards writing a book for myself. But I know I’m not quite there within my heart, because I got a lot of other things going on my life. So that’s why I wanted to kick off this question.
It is even meaningful, I must admit, it did start five years ago. 2016. I remember it like a number of epiphanies. When when you have a moment, whenever it was in your life, it’s very vivid. I was running a mastermind retreat, I’m pretty sure it was in currumbin. I had four clients with me for the weekend, I’m quite certain The event was called wealth and productivity mastery. And I had the clients do an exercise on write your goals for the next 12 months. And it was probably around time and money. So it was I want to earn X amount of income, I want to create more time for myself, whether it’s morning rituals or evening rituals or, you know, take a nap in the day, whatever it was. But I then said, Okay, you’ve got your 12 month goals, you want to have X amount of income, you want to do this with your with your life design. And then I said, Okay, pretend that you know you’re going to get hit by a bus in 180 days, what would your goals be instead, and the overwhelming responses were, I’ve got to organize my life insurance policy, you know that the form has been sitting on my desk for months, but my husband just hasn’t actually signed it or reviewed it. And then it became more life and spiritual, I need to repair the relationship with my mom, I need to talk to my sibling who I haven’t spoken to in months, I lost contact with my school friends, and now an incredible bunch of women, I need to reconnect, there was a lot of tying up loose ends when we know our mortality is almost certain even though you know, no one’s getting out of this life alive. We all know mortalities is a thing. And whilst the clients were doing this, you know, you’ve got the nice quiet music happening. And there’s some, you know, you can feel an energy in the room, I decided to do this exercise myself. And I don’t remember if I’d ever done it or not. But I do remember telling the clients once you’ve written down the list, by process of deletion come up with three. And when I did this myself, one of mine were, I want to write a manuscript of a book for my children. Because if I got hit by a bus, and someone said, Oh, your daddy died, what did your daddy think about how to live? You know, what did you learn from your dad about how to live, I realized they would have had to go and listen back to hundreds of podcasts, search my blogs, scour my online program. Yes, they would have their memories of me. But I had two children at the time that were quite young. I didn’t feel like I had a organized reference point for my views on how to live it was quite a fractured sense of IP, so to speak. And I really felt this urge as a bookworm and someone that loves the immortality of books, I really felt this pull. And I honor you for going the polls not there yet for you. But you can feel that seed growing and germinating. I could feel that within me and I said in the next 190 days, I’m going to get up at five o’clock in the morning, pour myself a cup of green tea, sit on the bed and look at all of my slides from my two day workshop and go the manuscripts in there like all of my life’s work at that time was in a keynote file. And I just started literally, if anyone has read the artists way I kind of did morning pages for a manuscript type thing not trying to be right and perfect and an awesome writer, but version one and I did it in 190 days was blurting out that and I felt thrilled I was wrong. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, there it is kids. It’s a dog’s breakfast. But there it is. And that was 14 versions ago and the book that you now have in a box, somewhere, but but that is that is now version 14. You know, it’s got 140 footnotes in it. Now it’s been researched to the hilt as a journalist by profession I really had. I was really quite nervous isn’t the word I was. So I was agitated about the idea of mistakes in the book. Because I cannot stand punctuation and grammar changes in the book, I already know there’s one mistake in the book, I’m not gonna tell anyone where it is. It’s only a comma. It’s only a comma. But it’s actually more more than points and apostrophe. But, but I went, I went hard on making it, what I, the book is called your Exceptional Life, I really felt like the book had to be exceptional. And that’s why it took longer than a lot of people thought it would. And that is the answer to your question is, is that it is five years, so five years, pretty much to the day. But for me, I’m a big believer in seven year cycles. And it was pretty much seven years to the day since we moved to the bar and Shire, that the book landed in my driveway. So I’m Oh, really. And when when Sarah and I and the kids moved up, Sarah, essentially retired from chiropractic. I then started in September of 2014, I started my Exceptional Life blueprint, like I launched an online program that I hadn’t created yet, you know, 40 people bought the program that hadn’t yet been created yet. That was the reminder to me, right people like this stuff. And that was the beginning of the really the creative process of nailing the philosophy which then I put down into a book
phenomenonal… phenomenonal. I you know, what I mean, trade walk into me then is the books called your Exceptional Life. And we all probably have very different interpretations of what life is what life looks like, what makes it exceptional, should we be living it exceptionally? What’s wrong with the way I’m doing my life? And I think, how did you come to the conclusion of the I guess the answers that you did to what actually creates an exceptional life?
Well, first things first is when I was really had my big epiphany, which was reading this book by john Robbins, healthier 100. That was the beginning of my Wow, epiphany. And I thought I won’t go into the details, because we’ve only got a limited time. But page two of the introduction, this was my epiphany. And really what happened is I thought I would become an aging well, expert. So I would go and do talks to all of these older people in local shires. They’d be in their 60s or 70s, and 80s. And I’d be showing them all these examples on aging gracefully. And they would all come up to me go That was a really nice talk to you, but I’m too old for that. And what I realized is when I was doing these presentations, I kept on saying the exception to the rule. You know, Don reddington, cross the English Channel at age 68. He’s an accountant in Melbourne. He’s the exception to the rule. What is every other 68 year old doing his Madonna Buddha, she broke the open age or she’s the oldest woman ever to complete an Iron Man triathlon. She’s the iron nun. You know, she’s now 84. She’s the exception to the rule. Jan Smith climbed Everest in her 60s. She’s the oldest woman ever to climb Everest from the southern hemisphere. She’s a psychologist, she’s the exception to the rule. So when I became like, I was unsure of like, what’s my brand? What do I call it? Like, my word is exceptional. And then I remember talking to Cindy O’Meara going, Cindy, like I know longevity is more of a buzz word. Am I the longevity blueprint? Am I the longevity code? It’s like, I can see with all my research that there is a blueprint for life. And I always say exceptional. And I took a risk. Like I don’t think Exceptional Life blueprint is the most. It’s not a call brand. But it appeals to a person that wants to truly own and believe that they are exceptional that they do live an exceptional life and that there is a blueprint for actually living it. In other words, it is achievable because a lot of people I know the title does jar for people it’s like are you have to swear on this podcast or even your cubicle. people realize he can call can alert your exceptional lifelike. I’m not exceptional. I grew up in this suburb, you know, my family treated me this way. This happened, like there’s nothing exceptional about it. And I want people if they have the courage to literally buy the book is to actually go, we are all exceptional at the very fact that we are born to win the race. You know, remember, Look who’s talking in the beginning of the movie in the sperm wins the race and, you know, like that race in itself, you have to be the exceptional one. You have to be the winner to actually give yourself a chance at having a lot than to actually be the one that gets born. You’re the exception to the rule that no one ever has a baby and says, oh, there’s a mediocre soul like it just doesn’t even click The language is doesn’t come out that way people can be born into challenging circumstances. But I really want people. I do want people to be challenged by the book, I don’t want people to go home, really exceptional. But then I really want people ideally to not my, I might be the one that connects the dots by way of the exceptionals, and how they’ve lived their lives. But I don’t really feel like it’s my book. It’s the book of the exceptionals. It’s their stories, it’s their wisdom. I’ve just used my journalism to glue the stories together in a framework that allows people to make it feel like they can also put the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle together.
Yeah, I totally love it. You know, there’s nothing wrong with something triggering you or getting a rocket up your ass. Because isn’t it 100%. And if there’s truth in it, then there’s truth in it. If someone’s triggering you like if you spot it, you got it right. And I’ll never forget. stuart wilde, I don’t know if you’re familiar with Stuart Wilds work. But he had this quote out and I read this book, affirmations, I was only talking about this yesterday from, like, 15 years ago, and I was right in the thick of change and happiness. And, and the quote, started with something like, life should be walking through a valley, a lush green Valley on a sunny day without a care in the world or something like that. And there was that quote, in South quad gardens quote about, like, if you may, if you happen to have a holiday twice a year, don’t create the life you need to run away from, or something like that. Yeah. And these two quotes stuck with me. And I’m like, how dare they say that that’s just not true. But as I lean and develop myself more, it’s like, well, possibility is there. And it’s like, well, why can’t I have more of that and live more from a place of joy and abundance as opposed to scarcity, but it needed to be triggered in the first place.
It’s a and that’s like you said, the growth is? Well, I think for people like you and I, the growth is never ending. And you actually you want to be triggered? Like, I know, if you want to trigger me, like, just get onto me about my work ethic tell me I’m lazy. Tell me. My work is shit, that it’s not good enough. And, and if you’ve got a point, I’ll be like, Oh, my gosh, they’re right. You know, then what was it about me that allowed me to settle for mediocrity, like, I’m triggered by mediocrity, you know, like, hence the book. You know, like, that was the trigger for actually writing the book. It’s like, Why do some people settle for average? Not simplicity. Like, there’s a real big thing. Some people are like, Yeah, but I want a mediocre life. I’m like, No, I think we’ve got a definition change challenge going on here. Like, mediocre by definition is subpar. It’s below par, simple is awesome. Like if you can create a simple life, I think you’ve created an exceptional life. Someone said to me yesterday difference said, I think I’m playing too small. So the very fact that you say that means that you’re comparing yourself to someone else. Maybe you’re playing more simple. And you’re just having an attitude adjustment and going, it’s okay to play simple. I don’t have to be complex. I don’t need online programs, and blogs and keynote speaker speeches and books and events and retreats and coaching and consulting. Like, maybe you can just have a book like that. And that can be the simplicity. Everyone’s different. Like don’t think that because someone else has got eight streams of income, you need eight streams of income, like the simple life really is what a lot of people are yearning for. And the book is really an invitation to simplify life. As hard as that might seem simple, not easy. I think someone said it’s probably Tony Robbins or someone simple, doesn’t mean easy, but go for simple as best as you can.
From your research and putting this book together as well. And your own life. Why do you think many of us settle for mediocrity and don’t actually go for the exceptional?
It’s definitely socially accepted. I think that’s the, you would know a whole lot more about this than I would because I am not a big i’m not i’m not drawn to, you know, the primitive brain and how we’re wired. But you could very much answer this question. All I know is that we are wired for safety. Safety doesn’t mean thriving and the best thing ever, like we’re wired to see the tiger. We’re not wired to see the trees full of apples and the bright oranges glistening like no one buys a newspaper when it says it’s sunshine. It’s picnic weather. Catch up with your friends and family. Pull out the bottle of wine, crack the cheese and crackers. And enjoy your Sunday. Let no one buys that newspaper. It’s COVID. It’s Vax. It’s strains it’s cases, deaths, variants, international borders, lockdowns, drama and drama. Look as a former journalist, if it bleeds, it leads, you have to actually find what’s bleeding in society to sell. And we are wired to be like how’s your day? You know, this is going on and that’s going on and the wife’s not talking to me and the kids are made a stay at home more and the boss has given me Hate at work and you know the quality is not gonna get met this month it’s like it’s got to be negative in order to sell Arizona best thing ever you know like my wife and I were making love regularly I’m catching up with my kids having quality time going to the movies my 40 teams winning a catch up with my my guys look at the rest at the cafe every morning. I get to see his little girl Ivor and Linda we talk for 20 minutes you know then bump into mates in the street. I get to work I love my work. Let people relock me Can you stop? This is too good. Like, can you do you know what I mean? Like people probably listening to this now going oh, this is just too much. We are wired for drama, no one watches Netflix happy shows. Everyone’s watching documentaries about problems. Where are the documentaries about solutions and don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying create them. It’s why the happy ending is the last five minutes of the movie you can’t have the happy ending for the first 100 minutes and in a sad ending for the last five like it’s the hero’s journey 100% but we do have to be vigilant around this for our life. Because we get sucked into just paying the bills you know movements be a lifestyle chore rather than a lifestyle choice. Our peer group just becomes people that you know they take so crosses Are you know, they’re a little bit toxic. You know, they put me down they don’t support my dreams. Nutrition is just fuel just to get me through rather than like Mastering the Art of nutrition, not just what we ate, but who we ate with how we ate you know why we eat family is something we tolerate rather than feel really loved by you know, growth is just like Netflix rather than books you really want to read and movies you really want to watch and plays you really want to see. I mean, look at Hamilton. It’s like inspiring populations. Wealth is just like paying the bills rather than investing for the future and becoming financially independent. And spirituality is like it’s again, it’s like this luxury item. And the challenge is guy, there is severe and brutal consequences to mediocrity. And I find that no one’s talking about them. That’s where I feel like the big holes are in. in society. No one ever talks about the consequences of mediocrity.
What do you think are the consequences of mediocrity?
It’s simple life purpose. If we don’t do work that we love and love what we do, we end up with regret. Read Bronnie Ware’s, top five regrets of the dying for more on that if 42% of all dementia would disappear if we moved 30 minutes a day. So cognitive decline is a major consequence of mediocre movement. depression and mental illness is a major consequence of a poor social life, or a mediocre social life, like social media is not socializing. We have lost our art of social engagement. You know, COVID has had a massive impact on that our social muscle has atrophied. We get nervous around people that we don’t know. Nutrition, the major consequences of mediocrity is disease. A third of all, cancer is caused by obesity, obesity doesn’t just happen. It’s not just in our genes, we’ve got to really do a lot of work and understanding that this is our responsibility. A third of all diabetes is due to obesity, family life, we can become bitter and twisted. We don’t want Christmas diaries, we don’t want to catch up for people for their birthdays, we don’t want to catch up with family for christenings and births, deaths, marriages, funerals, it’s like Oh, don’t invite that person don’t about that person. Like, we become better these inheritance, bangles and all the rest of it. We become bored, if we don’t have exceptional growth, we become broke if we don’t have exceptional wealth. And we’ve become spiritually broken if we don’t master the art of our soul. So there the eight regret, regret cognitive decline. Depression, disease, bitterness, boredom broke, spiritually broken. And sadly, guy when I do this test, and this test is in the book, but when people do it, you know, people identify with, you know, 5, 6, 7 of those pathways. And then the challenge. And ideally, the path the book lays out is actually how to navigate your way from mediocre to magnificent in each area of life because it can be done. And I learned the power through the stories of the exceptionals to give people the confidence that they truly can live their exceptional life. This is not an impossible game by any stretch. brilliant,
brilliant, the exceptional. Now when I hear that term, I was like, oh, because when I was reading your book the other night, right, right and researching for this, and you started talking about the exceptions is like, I want to be an exceptional, like I’m gonna accept like, evoked an emotion in me to go I want a piece of that bad boy, you know what I mean? So I’m curious to know, because you had 64 exceptions in the book, did you like what qualify them in it? So
I mean, there is so much there is so much bias in the selection of those 64. So my my biases are like this as As Paul rose, famous sports coach in Australia with said is a no decay policy. So you can’t be an exceptional, like in your work, but just be a prick in your social life or in your family moment, that just drives me wild. So I spent a lot of years in traditional media and I would hate it. Even as a young, mid 20s whippersnapper, I would hide it when the host TV or radio host would be a really good guy or girl, when the red light was flashing, but then just be a tool affair. It drove me wild because it’s so much harder to work with lists, multiple personality disorder, it’s like what version of the talent will rock up today, like, so I, I do my very best to be the same on air and offer like, hopefully the person you see here is a person you’ll see at the cafe at 630. In the morning, there’s no difference
I was just about I said didn’t want to cut you off. But there’s one mate no matter where I see you, your Marcus Spears, you know what I mean? Whether it’s on camera, if you’re the big hearted guy that’s, you know, always inspired positive, like it’s you.
And that’s very important to me, my kids get the same version as you do, my wife gets, she gets the more intimate person have a better and she also gets the other end as well. But it’s really important for me that we maintain, and the longevity cultures through this so well they have this consistency of personality. And one of your guests, you put me on to that and he’s featured in the book is Mario Martinez, author of the Mind Body Code talking about righteous anger. And I love what he says about be angry about the things that really mean something to you. You want to defend your family’s name, get angry about it, you hear someone talk badly about your sister, like defend your sister. Don’t just let it go quietly. But for me when I was measuring the exceptionals I don’t know a lot of them. Personally 26 of them were have been interviewed on 100 not out. But some of them like Nelson Mandela. I never met Mother Teresa. My neighbor Mother Teresa was an interesting one because the more I went down the research rabbit hole, there are many people out there that Mother Teresa was a fraud. Given that, you know a lot of money was donated to the Catholic Church and she may not have seen a lot of it if she would have been the richest one on the planet if at all with all my all this stuff. But it really came down to in my heart of hearts. Who do I think is a wonderful human being and a great role model for living an exceptional life? Yeah, brilliant.
Now, I got to ask you this question. I don’t know if you can pinpoint it. But who stands out like who blew your mind? The exceptional
Okay, so I I do get this question asked a bit and I find the ones that have gone through either the very cushy, middle class Australian law. You know, the worst thing that’s ever happened is my parents split up which I think was the best decision they ever made. And my grandparents have passed away. You know, I’ve had a sister in law passed away from cancer. But I haven’t had a holocaust. I haven’t had gone through major war. So those that have gone through significant heartache, Dr. Sandra ruin the God of sight in Nepal. You know, three siblings died in his childhood, there was no school in his village. He was sent to boarding school, which was a 15 day walk away from Nepal to Darjeeling in India doesn’t say his family for like three years because it just takes too long to go and pick their son up from school. He then cradles his sister as she’s died from tuberculosis because they don’t have the money to medicate her back to recovery. He then decides to become a doctor gets into the luck now university where Deepak Chopra studied medicine on a scholarship that is like a one in 7500 chance of getting into he gets into it, and then walked all over Nepal with what some ophthalmologists would say are substandard materials, pulling out the cataracts of people that cannot afford to have their blindness restored. And he restores the sight of 150,000 people with his own bare hands coming from a village that didn’t even have a school. And now he trains ophthalmologists from all over the world to go back to their mother country and take out the cataracts and prevent the blindness from people in their country. And so they can have an improved quality of life. I mean, people like Sandra grew it adjust blow my mind and then I go to him. Yeah, I interviewed him on 100 an hour. And he was mentored by Fred hollows here in Australia. And he came out to Australia. So Sanduk Ruit got married, went to and his his family didn’t agree with the marriage because he fell in love with a woman from a different caste. And then they went to Amsterdam pretty much fled their disagreeing family lived in Amsterdam for a year didn’t want to go back to Nepal. Because of Family stuff. So then was mentored by Fred hollows in Australia, they lived at home with Fred hollows, like red free, Fred hollows, took him into the hospital in Sydney, taught him all of everything he knew with new equipment, and then helped sand ruin. Finance an intraocular lens that makes the lenses in Nepal in like a developing nation, they now make the world leading lenses and sell them all off to like America and England. So they’ve actually got this incredibly, commercially smart operation in its developing nation, all because of one man’s life, purpose and vision. But born out of the seed of a crisis. And this is why I say, For many of us, our life purpose is born out of a crisis for Sandra Rue it. It was the crisis of family bereavement, it was the crisis of not having a school in his village. It was crisis after crisis after crisis. And that demartini often talks about this, you know, the more challenge you’ve been, you know, born into the more power you have access to, you know, I haven’t been born into a lot of challenge. So I do have a real connection to the Holocaust survivors, the God of sight, the people that have just had major, major challenge in their life, and overcome it and live with a sense of grace that is just beyond inspiring.
Do you think though, have you found exceptional that I’ve had, like a really loving cruzi life? And then I’ve gone on? Because I do wonder sometimes because somebody asked me this in one of my workshops, yes. And they said, guy, but you know, you’ve had these challenges and stuff in mind is not horrific. But there’s, there’s been some hard times for me, yeah, I’ve lived through. And she’s like, but she’s like, my life’s been pretty good. I’ve I got out of a crisis to actually make change.
This is I used to think that I’m just gonna get a copy of the book, because I know what to refer. I am. I used to think that, that really bad bad stuff had to happen in order to live an exceptional life. You know, you go to the Tony Robbins events, and you go to demartini, you’d go to, you know, you’d go to all these events go, you would have seen it. And you see a lot of people that have had incredibly challenging lives. You know, demartini would get people that have been gang raped or you know, they’ve experienced mass suicide, there’s been mass trauma in their lives, anything said have to happen to me in order for stuff to happen. You have Well, yeah, but no, I don’t believe that it does. Because, you know, I wanted to put a balance in the book of people that have just, you know, Trevor hendi, he split up from his wife, but he is, you know, six time Ironman champion, but not major trauma, just just relative challenge. I’ve put people in the book that have had relatively for a better term, normal lives, I’m not really sure what the term is, but they’re not in the headlines. They’re not in the headlines for the trauma. They’ve just made the most of the situation that they’ve had and for the situation that they’ve had, and I don’t think we should go looking for drama more than anything. I’m a big believer in choosing, choosing to make life challenging, like even as simple as movement like we it’s we live a life where it’s so easy to park at the front of the supermarket, like when I go to well, in the old days pre COVID when I’d go to the island when people forget to die. You see people walking from 250 meters from their home, down rickety rackety steps with a couple of plastic bags, and they’d go to the, the the market and they you know, they, they get there, they food, and then they’d walk back holding there you name you know, mid 80s, early 90s, holding the bags, walking back up, stopping to see friends and all the rest of it, and walk up the rickety rackety steps and pop the food back in their kitchen. Like, we just wouldn’t do that we get a trolley on four wheels don’t even dare carry anything that’s like awkward and we got to balance. We just want our lives to be so easy, I think in the modern comforts that we have. We just need to make our lives a little bit more difficult on a conscious level. Not because we’re suckers for punishment, but we need to have a muscle bear physical muscle in the example I just gave but we need to have spiritual muscle and emotional muscle or mental muscle in order to overcome challenge and I’m sure you’d agree guy many of us in society have have lost that resilience, which is probably why it’s such a buzz term in, in, in in positive psychology at the moment.
I couldn’t agree more. It took me back and there was a there was a point in my life in Sydney Marcus where I think for five or six years when I was really trying to transition before 180 nutrition got off the ground my last company I was skin. I was broke dead from the trading markets. What I found the stock market and I was just trying to work my way out and working all through, so to save on public transport, and I had the cycle 11 Ks into the city. So I’ll do that five days a week. I love IBM love. It was a personal trainer, rain, hail or shine made, my body was aching so much by Thursday or Friday because I’d bloody been cycling. This has taken boxing classes, taking trx classes, I was training people. And I was just holding together and that alarm clock would go off. And I remember it would be the howling were rain. Wind was huge, at a cycle up this hill out of kouji. That was so steep. And I’m like I’ve got a turn up. I’ve got a goal. And I would just put my wet jacket on and I would just hit the rain and constant and I had never felt so alive, mate.
Wow That statement right there?
Yeah, I can’t tell you how much of an imprint that’s had on me. Now from the resilience side of things. I used to watch people on the bus commuting, they’d all have their heads and their phones or an iPod. they’d all be looking down. And I’d be there nine o’clock at night cycling out of the city going, guys, what are you doing on this bus this you could be having an epic adventure right now, literally. And I got addicted to it to a degree because it was so exhilarating. And I hear you
well, I love that story. And, you know, you’ve been you’ve run a longevity retreat in Sardinia, you know, I’ve seen it happening in Korea, you know, trip as a great metaphor for life, you know, you spoke about hills, hills are just the best metaphor. And those those cultures, they walk everywhere, on uneven terrain, and they don’t whinge about it, they revel in it, they enjoy the challenge. And you spoke about the people sitting on the bus in their phones, they their their muscles in all areas of life. atrophy, if that’s such a word, and they don’t know it at the time, and for many, they don’t know it until it’s too late. And I think if anyone watching or listening to this right now can own if they are being too safe, and letting a muscle in an area of their life atrophy. What I have to remind myself and others regular is You won’t get away with it. Don’t think you’ll get away with it. Don’t think you can not exercise for 30 years, and get away with it. Don’t think you can ignore your marriage through the child raising years and there be no consequence. Don’t think you can lose contact with the friends and try and get a back like, don’t think you can just get through a job that you don’t like, just because you’re scared of doing a job or starting a business that you would like like there are significant consequences to quietly tolerating mediocrity. And I think it was George Bernard Shaw that spoke about the quiet life of desperation. Or maybe it was thorough, but it is very real. And to think that we can get away with it is a really big it’s a chink in the armor of the human condition, particularly when we don’t listen to it.
Totally. And it’s so much harder, waiting for the wake up call to wake up. And actually just getting on with it. Now it’s gone. Right? You know, I’m going to change.
Well, you and I both know the universe gives us the wake up call opportunity every day. And how many times do we want the same? The same message, I mean, wasn’t Trevor handy that Trevor had you said at first, you may know the original, the original person said, but it’s like, you know, we get a tap a whack or a Mack truck, you know, it’s the same message. It’s a tap on the shoulder first, and then it’s a whack over their head. And then one day, we’re just crossing the road on the way to work. And then we get the hit from the Mack truck. And it’s actually the brutal wake up call we needed. I’m sure you’ve had them in your life. I know I’ve had them in my life, I share a few of them. From my own experience around movement and breaking a shoulder and wealth and being $55,000 in credit card debt. I share some of my math truck moments in the book that occurred of listen when it was a tap or a whack but I just thought I’d give it a shake and see if I could get away with it. And the universe has a wonderful way of knocking you over with a Mack truck and thankfully, sometimes we hate the lesson.
Totally, totally. And before we wrap everything up like this conversation is amazing. It’s just flying by always blows my mind talking to you. I tell you. You talk about the Exceptional Life blueprint which is in the book and I love blueprint because that’s for me that feels like a structure, there’s a map, and we can sort of start to walk our own terrain following the map and on our own journey. What have you found because I’m just curious to know what have you found is the tipping point for people because quite most people can be unmotivated so they don’t exercise that leads into them eating poorly because then unmotivated and not moving. And then that leads them to disconnection from any kind of spiritual growth or because their job like have you found there’s like a tip of the spear kind of thing where it’s done. And then the ripples into other areas.
Oh, that’s a really, I think I know what you’re asking. People can enter, people can enter the matrix type thing from many, from any area they want. So for some people, the way I recommend the book, so just for a bit of context, these eight areas of life, the first three life, purpose, movement, and social life, make up your exceptional longevity. So if you’re a longevity buff, and you’re trying to eat the perfect diet, the perfect diet will not necessarily guarantee you longevity, the longevity ingredients, doing what you love, loving what you do, moving in ways that you love and socializing. So part one of the book is your exceptional longevity. And in part two of the book is your exceptional quality of life. And that’s your nutrition, your family, your growth and your wealth. And your part three of the book is your exceptional spirit. Now, some people read the book and go, Oh my gosh, like, I am so triggered by family. I’ve got it enter through this wormhole at family. I would say the foundation of your Exceptional Life is your life purpose. But for some people, they’re like, No, no, no, I’m just gonna get my work on autopilot for the moment, like the last thing I want to do. And I said, this is an art. It’s not a science. This is an art, which the individual makes their masterpiece themselves, everyone’s creating their own Exceptional Life. So some people are going to read this and go, I know I need to do what I love and love what I do more. But I actually need to reengage with my social network. And I’m going to start having a dinner party every Friday night at my house, I know people that have that have done that they’ve had a spa night, every Friday night, and it’s their local street or it’s a local friends. I know other people that go You know what, I’m going to do a yoga class with a friend, every Tuesday night at 7:30, it’s going to get me out of the office, because I’ve been working too hard. And now I get to take off social and movement at the same time. Others like I keep on eating Uber Eats, I’m going to invite friends over. And I’m going to do the cooking. And so now I’m going to get social and nutrition. And maybe it might even be family as well. And it could be growth if they’re learning to make new meals. And depending on how they’re doing it financially, there might be saving money on Uber Eats, you know, see the intersection here how this is not it’s not again, my male brain is very linear. But there’s a lot of intersecting ingredients here and I do use the recipe analogy a lot in the book is that your life is like a spag bowl, you know, most of us would say that, you know, the meat or the tomatoes, the foundation, others might say it’s the past, everyone’s gonna have a different, a different ingredient that is like their secret sauce. You know, for others, it’s their different Herbes. It’s the Oregon Oh, it’s the basil. But when people read this, I’d like to think that they apply there. You know, I lay out the recipe, but but the H raida gets to define how much of each ingredient they put in at each at each different stage of their life. You know, you look at any 18 year old, they’re their life purpose is a social life. Right? Not everyone, but you know what I mean? Then you look at you look at a mom or a dad, it’s just welcomed their first child into the world. You know, they went from life, purpose and career plan to family, like, you have certain life events where all of a sudden an area of your life is like the biggest ingredient of your love. For my beautiful wife, Sarah, she retired from chiropractic, her life purpose, the foundation of her life is family. So there is a there is a combination. For someone who is a career, professional athlete, their life purpose and movement are intertwined. And then if they’re in a team sport, a lot of the time, life, purpose, movement, social, and nutrition, are all very much interconnected. So this is a sight. This is an art. There is a blueprint, as you said, guy, but I really want people to recognize that they have not just the responsibilities, not the right term, you’ve got a blank canvas, you’ve got absolute freedom to write the script of your Exceptional Life like and I think that’s very exciting. Even in COVID times, yes, we might have the government telling us how parts of our life can be lived. But we still get to write a significant part of the script. And that’s what I really think is important that we own the responsibility to write our exceptional life.
We do we do. And you know, what came to mind then as well, was that the fact like I always look back at my old life, and there were so many areas, I actually just did things unconsciously. I never actually started to look at the very things and go Okay, can I think differently about this? Can I actually be open and bring a different approach to something and that’s why I love what you’ve done is to allow people to start to go in there and start to maybe have a an open perspective and bring something different to the table because unless you try it and unless you actually get out to that little comfort zone. bubble that you’re in or the mediocrity that you might actually know in your heart that’s with doing it that way, then things start to shift, like you said, by as simple as meeting some friends, and going for a yoga, you’re actually starting to entwine things in all in one goal. And I don’t know about you, but you know, every time I’m in a funk, one of the greatest things I can do is put myself around great people, and just be 100 things that light me up. Yeah, in my life. While I was still enjoying at 18 sometimes it’s the simple things you know, like hitting the ocean and having a serve or doing a bit of exercise.
This all comes back to simplicity. Like I could have called it the simple life. But everything that you just said is, it is simple pleasures. That brings us back to consciousness and awareness. Really, you just said yeah, being around people. The thing is, like I said, great people so socializing is energizing dot went down with the right people. socializing is demoralizing, when done with people that don’t support us. So the challenge, particularly in these COVID times is, is your peer group, supporting your mental health, your consciousness, your awareness of how incredible you really are. That is, is a significant, yet simple step in creating an exception a lot. hopping in the ocean is a very simple step for people particularly that live near the ocean. But even if you don’t go for a walk in nature, you know, wherever nature is for you, whether it’s around an oval, you know what it really just wherever you are just going for a walk and getting some fresh air. But the book is not buyer Hatfield, and sorry to disappoint anyone that wants a book full of tips and tricks of the latest cutting edge design, essentially, I hope people can buy this book in 2014 2015. And go, Wow, I’ve just read this. I didn’t really learn anything new. But I was enamored by the simplicity of the wisdom. I mean, most wisdom is, you know, it is profoundly simple. But that, again, as we said at the beginning of the podcast, that does not make it easy to live, but it is still really the way to an exceptional life.
I got a question for you. And I think it will tie in beautifully with the book anyway, because I asked everyone on the show. And that is what’s been a low point in your life. That’s later become a blessing. And I’ve got a funny feeling this this could tie into probably what how this why this book even came about? I don’t know.
Oh, wow. Oh, which one would like go with guy? On a family front? Again, it feels almost comparing Yeah. Because it’s like the low points of my life are really, you know, but anyway, I’ll give you this one. Uh, definitely, when my I, my children have not seen me cry. I don’t think I’ve shed like full on tears. Since I was probably 10 years of age when my mum and dad split up. My when my Nana died, I went but not tears. I cannot tell you. I can tell you the last time I really cried was when I was 10 when my mum and dad set my eight year old six year old sister myself around the dining table and said, Now, children, you remember that splitting up and as children, you know, you often take this on yourself and I was so sad. And then I was angry. I probably went through the five stages of grief that Kubler Ross discusses I probably tried to negotiate my parents, you through it and try to bargain with them in the rest of it. But so many blessings have come from that decision of my mom and dad to end their marriage. mitosis is delivered in Georgia and I are so tired. We are so close. we bonded It was like it almost became us against them. You know what I mean? It’s like Well, we’re going to be with you know, you’re going to do that number day. Well, we’re gonna we probably we probably will like and we will little sheets to any boyfriends that my mom brought into the house. Like a lot of children are like, no one will compare to our dad like, but we bonded like it became a war children versus parents. But to this day, my sisters and I are so close. I don’t know if that would have happened if my parents died together in my marriage. Now again, my mum and dad are both incredible human beings. But one of the filter questions of my marriage is when mum and dad have done this, and if they would have then I’d don’t do it. So they are my opposite teachers. So if I’m anything like my mum and dad, probably anything like my mum and dad’s marriage, I go Hallmark is like to do the opposite. So like I overcompensate in the family, I do my best to be present and with my children as much as much as I can. It was a sign of the times and my parents are married like my dad, you know, look went to work early came home late was probably tired and grumpy on weekends. You know, he took us to the football they’re my favorite memories. footballs here that this is Marcus fond memories love dad, because our cherished memories were kicking that football in the street. But honestly guy, my dad reversed out of the driveway and drove to his mom’s house in Waverly in Melbourne, and slept on a single mattress on the floor, he had a bad back from delivering all these newspapers. And he was delivering he was he was reversing out of the family home, I called the quarter acre memory Maker of the house that he would never sleep in ever again, where most of his wildest dreams were probably wrapped up in that house. And to be brutally honest, he butchered it. It didn’t he, he didn’t win the game. And the biggest lesson I take from that is okay, Marcus, like, I could work harder in my business, you and I talk about this, I could work 80 hour weeks, I could charge more, I could do more I could do this, I could do that. But why would I want to be a millionaire or multi millionaire in my business and be bankrupt in my family? Like that, for me is the biggest, biggest label of failure is to be so good in business and so bad in family. And so to answer your question with a very long answer, that low point, even though it was a major blessing in disguise, is is probably one of the biggest lessons from my life, I would say.
Yeah, no, thank you for sharing. It is interesting, like, I think, no doubt was similar for you when I went to Sardinia, and, you know, met some centenarians and see the way they lived in the Blue Zone there. It was a huge reminder to slow down as well and bring that pace back. And now having Ava is allowing me to slow down even more to degree even though it’s got more chaotic now,
but there’s so much chill time if you allow it to exist,
if you allow it to exist, yeah, that’s right. As you know, when we’re kind of, I kind of, I don’t know, if entrepreneurs the right word, I always get struggles with thrown around so much. But when you’re when you’re when you’re putting something out into the world that you care deeply about. And it is part of you, and there’s an innate drive in you. It is easy to get lost in that to agree. But again, bringing it back to your book and what you’ve done, I think it’s a good reminder to us all as well is to really focus on the things that matter. And as we focus on the things that matter, life becomes more rewarding. And I’m even finding that in my life right now. I’m kind of just letting surrendering to what is even more and more things continue to open up. Yeah. And it’s, it’s a huge reminder.
I do think if people do feel like their life has become somewhat complicated, then then the book is an attempt to help people simplify, we’ve said this a number of times already, but I applaud you guy and Linda as well for the way that you raise Ava in the way that I observe you around Eva, you know, you’re not you never tried to pass her off, you’re always present with her. She’s very much a part of you. And a lot of families still have this separatist mindset and I think Sardinia and your career and many great family cultures remind us to include our family, our children, as an equal part of our family, you know, they don’t have to sit on the child cell there’s times when that works. And that’s great. I totally respect that. But some of the most lasting images I have from a career is you know, children sitting next to the grandparents and arguing about you know, the sun and the moon or the weather or you know, goats versus sheep or whatever it is like that doesn’t exist a lot in you know, in our country of Australia you know, you have the kids over there watching TV on the couch whilst you know the parents are out you know, drinking a beer having a one year Don’t get me wrong, I’m not wrong it what I’m what I’m suggesting is that we invite more of an inclusive dynamic into our lifestyles, so that it is easier to immerse ourselves in this exceptional life philosophy.
Totally. And you know, it’s interesting, I was only met a friend for a cup of tea this morning up in mullumbimby. And, and I just wondered that and I remember just before leaving thank him and saying it’s, it’s wonderful to have friends that are happy for me to include Ava when I come out and do these things. And because I just took her along like you know, like she’s part of the part of the furniture almost like yeah, you come in with me love and and, and it was beautiful and Ava was running around. She was getting hugs off all the people on the other table and I could just relax like it wasn’t even a drama and and I realized that because I take her ice bath and every week Not that I put it in the ice bath. But for anyone worried, okay, she’s going yeah, I love her in the eyes. But but it’s just for me it’s just beautiful to be able to do that as a dad and it’s it’s really important part of my life but I was ready for it as well you know? And do that I got a couple of questions to wrap up the show mate and I asked everyone and I’m thinking this question is probably changed because I know what kind of knew what it was while you were writing your book, but what does your morning routine look like?
Well, you’ve seen it a lot lately. You actually get up when everyone’s asleep and go straight down to do some do some movement. I’m learning very much that at 39 years of age rehab, or strength and conditioning exercises is almost essential. So do some strength and conditioning then come down to Brunswick heads and and work on the books at the moment as you can tell I’m going down media Street, working on the marketing getting the book out and using my creative energy my creative energy is way better in the morning so I like to for me those sacred hours from say 6am till midday at a stretch but maybe 11 o’clock is when I’m on fire so the last six months has probably been the early morning work and then a really good breakfast I have a I have a rhythm with my food so eggs and greens for breakfast and then I’m very much a big believer in that Eat That Frog Brian Tracy get the most important the most uncomfortable but yet the most valuable work done whilst you’ve got your willpower and creative energy in the morning. And then and then after after lunchtime is it’s just a bit no write off it’s but I do interviews in the in the afternoon. I energize through other people because I don’t enjoy being by myself from 12 to five not because I don’t like my own company but I’m just not as productive in the afternoon you know they self
Yeah. Me. Is there anyone and again I’ll reframe the question slightly but is there any exceptional you wish you would have met or could have dinner with Oh yeah,
gosh, I haven’t actually had that asked of me yet. I’m obsessed with Victor Hugo and lo miserably which Hamilton is all the rage at the moment. But lame is for me He’s like, if anyone wants to study sociology at uni, don’t bother just read lame is watch the movie go to the play like immerse yourself in the diversity of humanity. That 1500 pages of that book demonstrates and and then if you’re interested in books, work, read, read, read the novel of the century by David Bellos and understand how much social change Victor Hugo’s life enacted Victor Hugo was the reason why kids get a canteen meal at school. Now I won’t explain why. But I would love to sit down with Victor Hugo. I love all things French, so I have to brush up on my French. I talk about Victor Hugo in the book because he’s an example for me, our family does not come first for longevity. Victor Hugo buried four of his children and his remaining child spent her majority of her life in an asylum. So he experienced significant heartache. He read he read about his daughter’s death Leopold in in a newspaper whilst he was on holiday. I mean, can you just imagine what that would be like? Oh, I just sent shivers down my spine even saying it so to write lame is on the back of a man’s heartbreak. Not to mention all of the other social and political work he did in France. Just I just get a bit teary and thinking about like, What a life when I become a filmmaker guy, I’m going to make a movie on Victor Hugo, there’s a few exceptionals that I want to make movies about. That would be my next big Life Achievement is become a filmmaker. Because I think there’s a number of stories that need to be told in a 90 minutes to two hour movie. And Victor Hugo would be one of them. Wow.
I’m embarrassed to say I’ve never seen the movie. That’s okay. Or read the book.
That’s okay. As I said, when people go Have you heard about this person? I go, No. They’re like, what? And I’m like, the beauty of life is that there are some things there are many things that you don’t know about. And then the beauty and the enthusiasm from learning things and going through experiences and going to countries you’ve never been to and learning languages you’ve never learned and playing instruments you’ve never played and reading books you’ve never read. I mean, that is the spice of life. So I don’t take any offense at all guy that you haven’t. I’ve never watched an episode of Seinfeld, and I’ve never watched an episode of friends and I nearly got an uppercut to the face. 50th birthday party of the night for being so, uncultured, but I think I’ve watched every AFL match for the last 15 years. So there we go.
That’s definitely something I haven’t done in a Welshman. That’s it. We’re all different.
And let’s celebrate our diversity, shall we?
Totally, totally. Last question. With everything we’ve covered on the podcast today, and we’ve covered some really good ground, what would you like to leave the listeners to ponder on?
That you truly can, as cliche as your sound sounds make the rest of your life the best of your life? The question is, are you going to take responsibility to make that happen? Are you prepared to let go of the fact that your best years are not behind you? There is nothing wrong or bad about turning 30 or 40, or 50, or 60. And that if you are prepared to surround yourself with mentors to age gracefully, and enjoy the aging process, something that you cannot do anything about, then you are in for an exceptional life, if you can wrap your head around that belief system.
Epic dude, epic. Where can I send people to grab your book
if they want a signed copy, because there’s a lot of people buying it on Amazon and someone told me that I just bought five copies on booktopia and all that you can do all of that. But it’s a better price. And it’s a better quality paper. If people just buy it from my website, MarcusPearce.com.au. I do have books in the garage. And I am enjoying that process of I’m signing every book, I’ve got bookmarks, and I get to do that when people buy it through my site. And I get to support local printers in Victoria Macpherson’s supporting Australian workers and paying Australian wages and the rest so if you buy off Amazon or booktopia all for it. But that is a print on demand that that they control. So I can’t control the paper type and all the rest of it and I definitely can’t sign it so but if you prefer to do it that way, all credit to but if people go to Marcus peace comm.au and order through my site, I can head right. And you can send me a note on if you want them in scribe to colleagues or you can buy a box for your your staff or your team or whoever it is. And I can control that process a little bit easier. So just Marcuspearce.com.au and it will all the info is there.
And I will if people pause the podcast when they listen to this, they can scroll down and I’ll make sure that that very link is in the show notes as well for people.
Yeah, you on Audible. It’s just been released. I haven’t told anyone here in the last one or two days. One One, someone sent me a message going I just found your audio book. And about 12 hours earlier, my publisher had said your audio books now available. But again, without board prep, there was a process to go through for Amazon essentially to approve your audio book. But yes, I like listening to Apple books. But if people have audible or any other way that you like to I think it’s Kobo or otherwise, it’s now available on all the audio book, distributors the and I read the audio book, which I am a big audiobook listener and if you’re listening to a nonfiction I almost think it’s imperative upon the author to read their book. I’m listening to Barack Obama at the moment and gee whiz, it’s good listening to Barack Obama share his story rather than some random voiceover artist you’ve never heard of. So the book is written by me and I even impersonate you know, people like Sandra ruin the whole and, and, and other people from America and England and South America and France. So there’s a few terrible accent impressions in there as well. Amazing.
Amazing. Well, I’ll be jumping on Audible as well. I actually find it good to have both, especially this book I want to dive deep into because I can listen to stuff in the car. Yes, something will trigger a thought then I have a physical where I can actually Mark reference. That’s definitely
my style. Yeah. Well, I love to do that. And, and forget what I was gonna say. So I’ll let you carry on.
All right. Well, look, I just want to thank you for coming on the show, Marcus. You’re an incredible influence in my life as well. It’s like
why are you on my I that’s what I wanted to say. For everyone that wonders about this. Guy Lawrence, one of my best friends on planet earth actually bought the book with his own money. Even though I would have given guy a quote unquote, median copy. He bought the book and I think he bought seven books, which I am always because I am a bit of a just you’re a friend take the book, you’re like, No, no, I want to buy the book. I cannot tell you how much you trigger me with that level of loyalty and generosity and support. And I don’t know if I’ve ever told you that but you I learn a lot from you by some of your incredible wisdom and behavior. And as you know, I like to endorse your work with people in my life. My circle and yeah, I can’t thank you enough for the lessons and wisdom you have taught me. I think I’ve been in your workshops two or three times and had you working with some of my clients and I absolutely love everything that you do. And Stan,
appreciate it. Thank you. And yeah, I just wish you all the success with the book. I have no doubt it’s going to be an awesome success and everyone listening to this. I’m not just saying this because Marcus is my friend, but the book is exceptional. I’m loving it, Linda’s making our way through it as well. And I highly encourage everyone to get behind Marcus and check the book out because I promise you you won’t be disappointed. And yeah, thank you, buddy. Have an amazing afternoon. Thank you everyone for listening.
We’ll catch you soon.