#175 My wonderful guest this week is Lisa Rose. Home builder and golfer turned proponent of world peace, Lisa’s transformational story is truly amazing to listen to in this episode. During our conversation, we talk about the importance of turning our attention inwards, its consequences, and how life-changing it can be to surrender to the unknown. If you’re interested in hearing about an in-depth account of what a spiritual awakening can be like, this one is for you.
“After the experience, it was like you’re starting to look at things with creator eyes, and the beauty of a butterfly.”
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About Lisa: Lisa Rose is a former home builder, golfer, and boater. After an incredible and life-changing spiritual awakening in February 2016, Lisa took a leap into the unknown and began exploring spirituality and its physiological effects on the body. Below, you can read more about her life and the experience, in her own words.
“Feb 2016. I was sitting upon my bed, legs stretched out. Suddenly I felt a sublime flash sensation where every particle of my body stood at attention, in recognition as if meeting their maker. My eyes became clamped shut, something slid back in the middle of my head… very euphoric… then energy began gushing thru my crown. A holographic image of Ramana Maharshi appeared behind my closed eyes along with a warmth that flooded my heart center and we shared telepathic communication. After a few minutes the image faded, the energy subsided some 10mins later and my eyes unclamped.
3yrs prior I had declared myself irrevocably done with human suffering. In resignation I surrendered my body-mind to my Creator and spent much time in intense contemplation of our Divinity… humanity’s Omniscient, Infinite & Eternal nature.
The experience was followed by 3yrs of Bliss, void of all desires and total detachment from the world, as well as unity with all things, especially earth and nature. I encountered incredible things during this period which has given way to a complete shift in my perception and a deep sense of Universal Peace.
The last couple years I’ve spent investigating things, mainly the Bliss, and marvelling at the incredible latent transcendent abilities of our body-mind organism.”
Key points with time stamp:
- From Just Existing to Truly Living (00:00)
- Lisa as a proponent of world peace (01:23)
- Going from home builder to making a declaration on human suffering (02:36)
- Should you be looking inward for the answers? (04:58)
- How to know you are fully committed to a change (08:13)
- Consequences of spiritual awakenings (09:02)
- Discovering Life Force Energy (12:52)
- The importance of the lack of expectation with spiritual awakenings (19:32)
- Surrendering fully into the unknown (23:29)
- The physiological effects of spiritual experiences (32:29)
- Taking your power back (35:03)
- What happens after a spiritual re-birth? (38:21)
- Talking about a spiritual experience with your partner (45:26)
- Advice in case your partner does not understand your experience (52:20)
- Just take the leap (58:18)
Mentioned in this episode:
- Gregg Braden
- Bruce Lipton
- Terence McKenna
- Joe Dispenza
- The Mind’s Silent Partner, A book by James Porter Mills
- Anita Moorjani
- Ramana Maharshi
- Dean Radin
- Rick Archer
Lisa, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you guys great to be here.
I’m so happy you decided to come on no speaking off air before and I stumbled across you your journey your story a few weeks ago, and I was and I was blown away by the the author authenticity, the the vulnerability and the powerful message that you have. And you know what, what kept coming to me, Lisa, when I heard you was courage. And and I really think you’re an amazing representation of that and what the human spirit all about. So I just want to say off the bat, thank you.
Well, thank you, thank you, I, I like that word that you know it. It is something that it comes so naturally once you connect with that higher power, and for it to be viewed as encouraged. That’s that’s wonderful to hear. For me. It’s so natural now. It’s so very natural. The things that we’re doing before the experience didn’t seem quite as natural. And I would have had to muster up that kind of courage. But yeah, ever since I made the connection. It’s it’s just come. So it just flows through you.
And I think I was so excited because I saw related to so many things you said on so many levels, and resonated with it. So yeah, it’s wonderful. And Lisa, I asked everyone on the show the same question when starting, and that was if you were at an intimate dinner party right now, and nobody knew you. And then somebody I said, Oh, hey, what do you do? What would you How would you answer that? Right?
Oh, boy. I used to say right, then a home builder, a golfer and a boater. Now I’m a proponent for world peace and all kinds of very healing aspects of our human consciousness. So I spend a lot of time in, in prayer and contemplation and contemplation, and, and blessings, sending blessings throughout all the world, because now I know the power of consciousness. Right? And that we are all one be. It’s quite simple to, for me to spend that kind of time and in deep contemplation and sending love and healing to all the world. That’s what I do.
That’s an amazing shift. Funnily enough, I don’t know if you knew this, but I was a plumber. So I came from a it’s not an office building background as well. And was no idea that any of this existed zero from Wales, right. So I’m, I’m always curious, because I’ve been read a little bit about you as well, of course, and you said you made a declaration around human suffering. And what point did you what was the tipping point the catalyst for you from being the boater the golfer, the builder, to looking at this work? Where is the shift
it things negative things guy began happening to me. And we’re all used to, to that thing was happening to you and and we just usually just get back up and jump in to the game of life. I was losing that momentum, that spirit to jump back into the game of life, but I was still willing to do it until very negative, and outrageous things began happening to family members and friends. And I was looking around me and I just felt like world war three was in my backyard. And I couldn’t understand how quickly I could have gone from such a beautiful life, to just a state of mind that I could no longer jump back into the game of life. The compassion that I was feeling for all of the people around me in the circumstances are just so totally outrageous. I just had no, I just said no, there is no creator that would allow for such suffering. And that was the turning point when you virtually just draw that line. It’s not a gray area Guy. It’s just no more just no more. And I I naturally instinctively because this is how we are made. It’s our it’s our nature to then turn inward. I knew none of this. It was happening naturally as soon as I made that declaration.
So What was the natural instinct then for you to turn inward as opposed to continue to make that declaration?
I had heard that all the answers could be found in the Bible. You know, that’s what I had heard. I couldn’t read the Bible. It was the parables were not, they weren’t moving me. I know, I’d had major difficulty trying to read and accept and, and, and make any sense out of it. So I picked up an iPad and began doing a little bit of research. I was not a big internet person, I was very much outdoors. And so it picked up an iPad. And I think I stumbled upon some Gregg Braden material, some Bruce Bruce Lipton stuff. And it really started to Terence McKenna. It started to open Yeah, started to open my mind up to a different science, which, of course, at my age, I was brought up and I understand they’re still teaching materials science in school. But you know, that’s where I my science left off was material science at age 18. So, you know, fast forward another 40 years, I’m still thinking and knowing and experiencing the body and my reality is purely physical. And with no inner world, I had no idea this new quantum physics and and, and, and a reality that I could sense as I kept reading the Braden and looked in material. But in so it felt right, it felt right to move forward. And so from there, I started to explore a little bit deeper subjects, My mind went to meditative science, Ernest Holmes and some of the new thought authors. And before too long, I had landed upon a pamphlet, I call it a pamphlet, this booklet about 300 pages, called mind Silent Partner by a new thought author. And the beauty of that was it it was taking the Bible and breaking it down in to a or looking at it from a metaphysical standpoint. So I virtually had an interpretation of the Bible. And looking at it from a metaphysical standpoint, and it strongly emphasized the I am statement of being we’ll talk a little further about that and how powerful that is. But in reality, IT guy it just, it was so natural when you virtually and you’re talking to your higher self. Anyway, I didn’t know any of this. I didn’t know what I didn’t know a higher self. I knew nothing about higher consciousness. So it’s really kind of interesting to have experienced all this as a newbie, I knew nothing about a spiritual community. I knew nothing about ancient wisdom or any Eastern philosophies, I virtually just put my foot down and said I was done with human suffering. And how all of this unfolded that. That was the surrender right then and there. I didn’t even know that.
Do you think the fact that you’ve gone? And I think back in my life, because there was a moment where I go, right, I’m in I’m 100%. And I’m not mucking around anymore? And do you think it was in that declaration that things began to open up for you from that point forward? Because you knew with your heart and soul, you were committed to doing this? Yeah.
Is the term irrevocable, okay, irrevocable, there was I was not going to jump back into this game of so called life anymore. That’s not that I would say that no creator, no creator could allow for this to happen. I have gotten that I have gotten to know God now. And I really didn’t even know what that meant. I just wanted to meet the creator that was enabling all of this to happen.
Yeah, amazing. I’ve never read the Bible. And it was this language from Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden, Thomas Campbell, Joe dispenza. There was so many people out there that was looking at, and it was the language that spoke to my Western mind that really started to allow me to piece the pieces together and go, Ah, that makes sense. And then of course, you have the experience. Now, I’m curious, too, because I want to get into the lifeforce energy, you speak about the three years of going inward that you spoke we’ll get into in a sec. But do you look upon the suffering aspect that that you went through to foresee that Now, obviously, I’m assuming you look at that very differently to when it was actually happening at the time?
Yes, I see it entirely differently now. After an awakening you your perception of yourself and everything in the world changes dramatically. Yes, I look at things now from a creator standpoint, and what? It’s really quite simple guys, you probably have deduced by now until we turn inward in a way from the world. And it’s very clear in the Bible right turning away from the world going inward. It’s really all we need to do and place your attention inward and watch an inner world unfold. I knew nothing about an inner world, I knew nothing that it was as simple as placing our attention inward. And that’s what all spiritual teachings, including the Bible and spiritual teachers are meant to do, they’re meant to inspire us to go inward. So now that an inner world has opened up for me, indeed, I see suffering entirely differently. And that each of us has the power within us to go inward, to elevate our consciousness and rise up above our own personal suffering. Which, you know, is, to me a very simple formula, it’s a little difficult to do, but until some of us, like like ourselves have gone through the, the necessary steps, you know, people are people are having these spontaneous awakenings. It’s, it’s the it’s the same conscious life force within all of us that is trying to crack through, you know, human consciousness in order to evolve. And, and that’s why we’re seeing a lot of spontaneous awakenings. But those of us who have taken the necessary steps, and just virtually turn our body mind organism over to this great spirit of life and let it flow through you. bored, we have these really beautiful and intentional awakenings that can happen for us. Yeah. So the suffering, I just I view it entirely differently. And people say that suffering is a choice. Yeah, it is. I can’t say guy that had since the awakening, I there are still things happening, that I look at them differently now as an opportunity in order to amend or atone or do something differently for myself when they’re happening for myself, and to pull my attention back inward where it belongs. Right. And so there’s a lot less suffering in my life and a lot less suffering for the individuals around me as well. You know, I’m not wallowing in it at all any longer. Right. I know where to go. I know where to go to find remedy.
That’s a big one. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So when you you speak about the weakness in lifeforce energy that that happened with you. And I believe it was February 2016. Is that correct?
Yep. February 10th.
Oh, there you go. On and so so there was three years, three years from the declaration to that point, if I’m not mistaken is that correct?
just about maybe two and a half. But yes, just about three years and did you know it might seem like a lifetime for some people but not really, because really interesting things happen guy when you surrender. I had no idea about a higher power. But when, when when we surrender I tell folks as it’s as if this higher power, plucked me off my boat off the lake and sat me in a corner to stare at a wall. I didn’t know anything about meditation. I thought it was something that you know people use to help find peaceful moments. I didn’t know that it it had such power in so I wasn’t even meditating I was I knew nothing about it. I naturally was staring at walls or like I say, into bonfires or or into the shimmering lake water. But so I go from this very active lifestyle to staring in you know, a clouds overhead. But what was happening as I was reading the passages from mine Silent Partner, which again, was a metaphysical interpretation of biblical passages. But my my mind was beginning to center and focus so the staring into lakewater for instance, the several shimmering lakewater was a bit trance inducing, if you will, it keeps your eyes steady on something. Well, the passages the words, the meaning of the words in the spirit of the words are rising up into your consciousness, to where I could actually Feel shifts in my consciousness, I would actually feel my consciousness shift that there was more Whoa, wisdom coming through people call them downloads. You know, I’m getting downloads, but I hadn’t experienced anything like that, you know before and it was fascinating. So I began to be fascinated by the whole idea of just staring at a wall because what was happening to me physically?
So the more you would do it, the more curious you got, which I guess kind of snowballed into Feb. 10th 2016 would that be fair to say?
That it snowballed into the February Yeah, things were happening along the way there was more external pressure you know, things happening that you would say, you know, I’m I will take that to God and that was it that was this is another big piece guy, thank you. Things are still happening. I’m not I’m not turning away from them bad things are still happening to me to family members during this three year. So, so what I would bring them into my contemplate of practice, if if we are infinite internal, if we are divine love and peace, what what is this what is happening out here, and what kept blossoming blossoming within me was a compassion that I’ve never felt for all humanity because I began to realize it wasn’t just me and family members and friends, it was all humanity. So the compassion in my heart began to really explode. And I think that helped open up the the heart chakra. So there were things that happened during the three year period that led to that, that full awakening and in particular, let’s go back to the mind Silent Partner booklet, because it spoke it speaks very strongly to the I am statement of being and how powerful what you’re doing is you’re aligning yourself the I am, I am and I’m not this thing, I am out here, you know, this, I am divine peace. I am divine love. I am omniscient, being I am infinite, and eternal. And these are these these, these are things that become very strong and they start to actually become experiential. They become you begin to see your infinite potential, virtually it’s no longer an intellectual discussion, it becomes a very deep rooted knowing. Right? I wasn’t yet experiencing things until the experience. But it just became begin to be unknowing. Yes, I am. Eternal. I am eternal being I’ve never thought about afterlife or before live, but it just started to rise up as a truth within my consciousness. Yeah. So lots of things that are going on not just you’re not just sitting in contemplation, your your higher, the higher consciousness is working your consciousness to raise it up to to its level. Yeah, it was fabulous. It was a fabulous physiology, physiologically, those shifts were amazing. Now, you know, the the life energy can get kind of, you know, for me, there was a lot of pressure that was building up in the upper part of my body and other things that were happening related to energy moving through through your body but being totally surrendered, along with the uncomfortable nature of the pressure building up and there was pressure guy. But do you know even with the uncomfortable nature of what’s happening to me physiologically, was also a knowing the most comforting knowing I didn’t have to generate faith. And I didn’t have to go to bed every night and say please, it was none of that. It was a knowing a very intelligent knowing that everything would be alright. I had no clue what was going to happen. But I would lay my head on the pillow at night. I didn’t know what a spiritual awakening was. I just wanted to know God.
Yeah, do you do you think that’s why I had one because it’s the same for me when I had my awakening. I had I didn’t really know that it was possible. And and I think my innocence got me there because I wasn’t deep in expectation on the outcome of how I wanted it to be.
Oh, I love that you said that. I sometimes think of myself as this poster child because it’s sometimes you know the well again Going going back to not knowing anything, it being totally oblivious to an inner world for some 52 years, having no clue about anything. Yeah, yeah, you’re just kind of like the kid, the kid who comes up, you know, to a group of adults and suggests you know, who are they’re all like confused for 1000s of years about something, you just Welcome to say, Hey, why don’t you just do this? It’s kind of kind of feels like that, right? Just feel like such a such a child. It seems like such an innocent like, or no brainer. Why don’t you just say you want to know God? You know, so but it’s, I guess, very, very difficult to do. And truthfully, even when I got down to the I am God statement, boy, that was a little difficult to come out of my mouth for a while. Yeah. But we, you know, we have so much we have so much well, human nature in our consciousness. And I didn’t know this, I did not know. But a lot of the belief systems, a lot of the human race consciousness, that is there. We are born into it. Every single member of the human race is born into a certain race consciousness, no matter the culture, right? And, and it’s amazing that it will without even knowing for instance, like you say, religion wasn’t a very big part of my growing up my upbringing. However, I was amazed at how much religion was really in my consciousness to the degree that, you know, it took a pamphlet that was analyzing, interpreting the Bible from a metaphysical standpoint for me to wake up. And then once once all that, once the experience happened, and I was, you know, look at that pamphlet, and say, Boy, I love it. I still love it. It’s very inspiring for me, but it was a necessary thing for me, in order to wake up because I still had a lot of religion in my consciousness, even though I didn’t realize it was there. I did not realize it was there in a lot of other things that you know, we as human beings, a subject subjected ourselves to, knowingly and sometimes, unknowingly, so Yeah,
totally. It’s not until you start looking under the hood you start to realize what’s there and been getting in the way
but but but what what is really cool is you realize the power of your mind, you know that to was a fantastic realization, after the awakening when I started to even the next day I was what what just happened to me? What, what happened to me, and you realize that in their body, the human mind, body, the whole the mind, body organism, the entire thing. And what a wonderful vessel What a wonderful vehicle. We have right here and my gosh, you we’ve we’ve yet to even begin to explore its potential reality. Yeah,
totally. I got a question for you that night, or day or whenever it happened on February 10, when the lifeforce energy really started to come through. Did you at any what two things intrigued me? Well, there’s two things, I’d like to ask you a What happened? And if you could describe it and be how I’m just, you had the courage to surrender fully into it, which is a big deal, I think, especially if you were there on your own. And it was happening. How did you how did you know that? It was like, Oh, this is it. This is what’s happening.
I had no control over what was happening. It was like a woman having a baby. So everything, every every single thing that happened that evening, and I had grabbed a cold beer because I had just gotten off a two hour phone conversation where I was doing all the talking. And I like to bring that up because that gave me reference to how long the experience was the beer was still cold after the experience Dan so I could estimate because I don’t wear watches you know, I gave up on the thing called time about 20 years ago right so I you know, I wasn’t paying any attention to the time but I had you know, but by this time I contemplated practice guy had actually increased it to cuz it’s about all I could do with the cooneelee the Kundalini energy the lifeforce energy that was rising up within me. And because I would love the effects that the the contemplation was having on me. I was doing it often and being surrendered as well. You do it more often than you would think he would like to do a day, it’s as if somebody else is running the show it guy, somebody else something else is running the show. And you I could sit in contemplation for 810 and up to 12 hours a day I was sitting in, in some sort of contemplation. And I began to get messages from wood to give it all I have in terms of kept hearing 24 seven, everywhere I turned all the sudden give it 24 724 seven, give your practice 24 seven. And, and so I did I like I took up a class to study Ramana Maharshi his teachings. And it was a six week class. And every single day we had exercises and I said great, you know I can. And they said it was going to take two hours a day for me because of what was going on with me, it took almost like four hours a day just to get through the exercises. And when it came to meditate, I can’t meditate, you know, I would just stare at Ramana Maharshi these pictures, or the words in this book, right the second Sanskrit words, and they weren’t making any sense to me, but at least I was absorbing. And so that’s that’s what was going on when the experience happened. That evening, it was day eight of that class. And I was looking at the book cover it’s picture of Rama nez from a bust, and black and white. And I had we had just learned about his life as a child and that child by a teenager and how he wouldn’t take care of his body. And I was very upset at Rahman because here I am a physical mess. And I couldn’t you know, at this point, I’m like, why am I Why am I sitting here reading, you know, from a young man who wouldn’t take care of his body, I you know, I just I couldn’t I couldn’t make the connection and all the devastation that was happening around me and physically people having physical problems, because I only saw him as a guru at that point. So we are learning spiritual guru, right, the emotion laden anyhow, so I got kind of upset. And I tossed the book across the bed. And within probably five seconds, I felt this flash sensation, I say where it felt as if every particle of my body stood at attention as if meeting its maker. And then my eyes clamped shut, I mean, clamped like this, I wasn’t clamping them, I did not do this. This is why I say I was not in charge of anything that was happening here. The Flash sensation, the clamping of the eyes, and then something in the middle of my head slid back. That’s the those those are the term. That’s the terminology I use. I’ve since learned to maybe be something else. But it felt like something sliding back in the very middle of my head. And then a bunch of what I call energy with my eyes clamped shut. I didn’t know what it was. And and all this pressure that was building up is the only thing I could figure because it felt so good, right? Finally, it felt like a fire hose is going up through the crown of my head. And that went on for just a minute or so. And I was in such I felt such relief. And what was happening. As I said it felt good. I didn’t need to muster up any courage. I was happy. And where it was leading. I have no clue. I wasn’t thinking about anything. And then next thing I know is an image of Ramana Maharshi appears right here in the middle of my forehead behind my clamped eyes. Right so it’s right here. And without going into too much details fascinating, telepathic conversation. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool. But But we, we had telepathic conversation for for a few minutes. And I was like stunned, number one that he was there. Like, what what the heck, you know, and then I wasn’t saying anything. This is what I was saying. But he would respond right in words to what I was saying. And I invited him to stay and When I did that, my entire heart chakra just filled with warmth. Now warmth I’ve never experienced before ever, you could hold 10 brand newborns, right and not have this kind of warms, after I invited him to stay, which was a natural thing to me. You know, I it was just it was a glorious thing. And then and then we had our we had our, our exchange and then and then and then the image faded, and the energy was still gushing out of my head. And eventually, like I said, the beer was still cold. So I figured it was about 15 minutes that the whole thing occurred. You know, I grabbed a journal right away, I knew something profound that happened. had no clue what but I journaled everything. That’s how I remember it. So well, I can remember every single detail, I can remember everything that was communicated between me and this, this light body image of Ramana Maharshi. So that was just the beginning of things. There was quite an extraordinary experience. Again, if you think about the just what was happening to me physiologically, you know, what was opening up in the middle of my head? How does energy gushing through how is all any of this happening? How is any of this going on? If you think about the power of the body, and what it’s capable of, this is one of the things and I appreciate you having me come on to just to speak to the mind body organism, and to know it has this capability. And I’m and I’m trying my best to research through science through science, because the spiritual community doesn’t have much to offer in the way of explanation. So I turned to the science to try to help bring a level of understanding to medical communities to the scientific community neuroscientists, etc. and just say, Hey, guys, this is what the body is capable of just just just that piece alone, let alone what’s happened since guy
It’s nuts. We on the same honestly, that’s why I podcast every week. You know, this is this is a mammoth effort on to do this week in week out, have a show, put it out, just put it out there freely to everyone and have conversations obviously it grows, people listen and attract and want to come and find out more but at the end of the day, my belief is to is that why are we looking at this? Why aren’t all areas of our life and the moment we use religion, spirituality, God, whatever words we are, we can drop so many beliefs and it prevents us from actually looking at what’s going on. Which is why I love this conversation too. Because you know, we just a couple of people that have stumbled upon this across the way and god
you know, guy gets really interesting when there are physiological aspects to these experiences. You know, people have visions, the lifeforce energy can work on people’s, you know psychically and with visions. But when you have, like, you know, Anita moorjani, who’s had you know, the near death experience, but when all of her 12 tumors after she comes back into her body disappear, why aren’t we looking at that? What what the human body is an amazing vessel. And once we have our consciousness, elevated healing then becomes a it’s well, it’s very natural self healing is very natural. And what was happening with a Nita, everybody’s so tuned into the experience, and I love listening to her anyway, you know, she’s a doll, but, you know, but I always say it’s like, you know, has it in because there’s new science behind it. Right? It’s just then I wouldn’t say so much swept under the carpet, but there is not a focus on it. I instead, after the three years of bliss, which we’ll talk about in just a second, I began to investigate the science because I felt like if I went out and just talked about the experience, then again, where are we placing our attention? On the experience? Where does our attention need to be on the physical body, the mind body organism, because that’s where the experience happened. And can we all take a look at that? That is where our power is. That is right here is where our power is.
Absolutely. And then we take our power back when we’re not then influenced as much from the external world. I feel like we’re getting pushed and pulled and in and spread out everywhere and answering to somebody else. That’s the ones. One thing I found with this is that so much fear evaporated from doing this work, because I, you connect to who you really are. And once you know that, it’s a different
thing. There’s nothing to fear, it’s life, its life itself. And because we’ve suppressed it, again, knowingly or unknowingly, it’s coming out in such explosive ways. A lot of times spontaneously, we’ve talked about that earlier. But in my case, such an explosive way. Well, it had to, that’s what life does, and there’s nothing to fear. It’s the most gorgeous thing ever to have this beautiful spirit of life flows through you freely. That’s why I tell people surrender, surrender, just surrender, you know, push books away, go within. Yeah, I still love the books for inspiration. But, you know, because it’s some of it’s just really powerful stuff, or maybe a guided meditation here or there. You know, it’s just gorgeous from other people. But go within, go within, that’s where you put your attention on your higher self, right, those aspects of ourselves that we’ve never explored. And watch what happens. Just watch what happens in Civil War as
I always say that, for me anyway, the biggest teacher and still is from doing the work itself.
Yes, in all of these experiences that appear to be out, there are really lessons, right to continue to push your attention inward further and further. And it’s a good thing. It’s a it’s a very good thing. And by inviting is another thing that I did, calling these things fourth up into my consciousness. This was part of the James Porter Mills mind Silent Partner contemplator practice we just don’t contemplate we call it fourth. Come now. Fourth now living word like the offices of my mind, I am infinite and eternal spirit. Come now forth. So we’re calling it forth. We’re inviting the spirit of life into our consciousness. Very powerful stuff. Yeah, very, very powerful stuff is so so exciting. To begin to experience. What is wisdom? Oh my gosh, to experience knowledge coming through to experience what I call universal peace now, I had heart palpitations for 20 years gone. Gone through my meds out, you know, done. So when, when, when what is an intellectual conversation becomes actual experience and it’s of a higher consciousness. Look out. It’s glorious.
Yeah. So So what happened after that experience, because you said it was about a 15 minute experience. Did you just go sit back and have you finished cold beer or did you like run outside? Yeah.
wrote everything down. Yeah, like a little baby. I woke up turned 90 degrees on the bed in the middle of the night. I mean, I’ve never done that probably even as a little child, but there I am, like a little kid. Because I call my experience, it’s a rebirth. It was a rebirth, my consciousness and it was a slow shift. And this is why I believe there’s a three year bliss period for this kind of experience. It was like being reborn and just like a child who is born into the world and is marveling at everything, that’s what I was doing. I was just marveling at everything and butterflies, you know going by, it was I was a it was a renewed a refreshed consciousness. I didn’t lose my mental faculties. It was nothing like that I did lose memories. It was nothing like that was just you’re starting to look at things with fresh your eyes with the creator eyes, and the beauty of a butterfly. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And the bliss then that would surface were towards the peak of it and it rose very slowly like a bell curve towards and I didn’t notice it until about six months into it. That I had no more negative emotion. at all, we were, yeah, trying to do an exercise, trying to conjure up a negative feeling. And I’m like, I can’t. I mean, before the experience, I had 2000 different memories of negative. But even when I thought of those things that I couldn’t, there was no negative emotion coming up at all. And it continued to rise up for an 18 month period. And at the 18 month period, I noticed that bliss head was encompassing all of my experience. I mean, people would tell jokes, and we kind of laugh, but it was it was overshadowed by this bliss. So it was it’s such a good fee, it’s a consciousness, it’s a Blizzcon in my brain was the inside my skull, it was doing some very fantastic and beautiful things like would feel very nice energies and things moving through it. Lovely, just lovely. So then, then, then I began to notice the bliss, falling away. And that was something that I had to deal with. And I liken it to the terrible twos you hear children, when they’re they have this all about the world, and they learn how to walk and they’re done. And then all of a sudden was like, Where did that child go? He slipped into this, he is fussing about everything. Now I know why it’s there, you’re slipping away their bliss, they’re born, right with this pure consciousness, right? And they’re adjusting to the human race consciousness. And the bliss is starting to, to, it was so gradual. And I tell you, it was almost like a perfect bell curve, almost perfect to the three year period 18 months up, the team was down. And that’s when I came out of it and began to explore the science behind the experience. Things that would have with that were happening during that three year period guy on believable that’s for another conversation, just glorious things when you’re in a bullish state of consciousness.
Can you give us one example? Just something like,
well, aside from no negative human emotions, you know, there were I could stand at the edge of 100 foot cliff and just feel like I could dive down into it because I was infinite and eternal. Not that I would do it. Right. But you can imagine why, you know, parents will go grab their children, if they’re standing next to a cliff, the parents in total, like, ah, but the child is it’s beautiful. It’s like Whoa, it’s gorgeous. I would love to you’re not going to you still have the instinct, right? You haven’t lost that. But it’s just a you don’t get that sensation that fear sensation that you’re standing that there’s a learned it’s a learned
you see the beauty and everything almost.
Exactly, exactly. But there are some things that that I you know that even if the audience would just not believe you know, just just with that it’s just it’s it’s your mind is extremely powerful. And when you see yourself as the creator sees all over the world, you know, manifestation becomes almost instantaneous. I had to be very careful with my thoughts because I was used to thinking a certain way where I had to be very careful and not careful because all you’re in a bliss state all the time. But manifesting like weather you know, the just to, to to ask the universe to bring to bring showers this morning. You know, my husband say least if there’s no showers in the forecast for 10 days, it’s gonna be 90 degrees. Nope, there’s the showers. So fun stuff like that. And, but but more important things as well. But you know, what’s interesting is that all the worldly desires fall away. Yes, I played the lottery That was fun. But I didn’t care I really didn’t care. It made no, All that matters is our health and well being and our experience here in this beautiful what I now knew to be a very powerful and exceptional Mind Body organism. So this is what you begin to explore. You know, more and more and more of the inner world, the outer world can completely fall away. We ended up closing down our home building business and you know, all those walls There, we moved from Texas to Colorado now I’m in the midst of the mountains and enjoying you know, nature, outdoors a lot more than I did before. Things change in, you know along the way and still Guy, this, this higher power is still taking care of everything. And it’s just beautiful.
What did your partner think of all this?
my husband of 40 years, I couldn’t, I couldn’t talk to him about it. Because I didn’t even know what happened to me. Again, I didn’t know I didn’t research anything. One of the parting words from Ramana Maharshi was a hold on stay inside. And actually, that’s a song phrase from my tune, I used to sing by a band called tool at the top of my lungs, the song parabola, and it’s a song phrase from there. And he actually used a couple of song phrase phrases, from songs that I use that I would sing at the top of my lungs. And that was one of them at the very end. And I took that to mean that don’t go and investigate anything, there’s, there’s still more that is going on. I knew nothing about a bliss period. Right? So I didn’t go and investigate somebody mentioned the word Kundalini, I did not look at I did not look it up. I didn’t read any thing further, except for some more of Ramana Maharshi his teachings, the book of Aurobindo, the divine life, life divine came into my awareness. And I allowed myself to read that, you know, highly inspirational kinds of things. But I did not research what had happened to me at all. And that is a another part of the realization process, when you’re, when you’re surrendered entirely to this higher power guy, you don’t have the desire to jump out there and research anything, I didn’t have the desire to go and go shopping, I didn’t have the desire, everything falls away. Until then the bliss period. And and I began to realize that the falling away of the bliss period is essential if we are going to be able to contribute as a higher consciousness within this human body form. There was no way I could do that in bliss, I could see why the sages would sit and why the monks sit in that state. But I wasn’t I wasn’t obviously supposed to do that the bliss started falling away. And while it was something that I had to deal with, like a grind, maybe sometimes I did topple over the money tables at times, right like Jesus did at the temple. But I, I seriously began to see that there was purpose for it. And I wouldn’t be here talking to you today, if I were still in bliss. So this is why we’re helping to bring demystify this beautiful life energy, and to hopefully inspire people to surrender to it, to surrender to it, especially if you already have knowledge of an inner world and you have a meditative practice. I knew nothing about any of that. But it’s there is
sorry, does your husband know now?
The I wasn’t able to speak to him about it. I didn’t know what to say. But eventually after I came out of the bliss and started to research a bit I had, I told him about the experience. And it wasn’t till probably in well into the fifth year about the feeling well into the fourth year after the experience that we begin to speak about it a little bit more in depth. And I actually wrote a paper to help to explain it to him because one of the things guy, yeah, if you’re an I wasn’t it didn’t occur to me, but it makes sense that I I easily picked up on good to quantum physics and the holographic nature of the universe and God as consciousness. But so I was speaking in these terms that I had learned through my contemplate of practice, and that I was speaking to individuals that did not have that connection. They did not have that. That exposure, if you will, to these concepts. So when I just last summer I said mate, can I write a paper can if I write a paper, Tim, would that help? Yes, please. That’s how I ended up on bat gap. The Buddha at the gas pump, I wrote a paper. And I started sending it out to science organizations, because I found some fractal physics, fractal plasma physics that apply to some of the things that I experienced. So I incorporated that into my paper, and I began sending it out to several science organizations, including the Institute of noetic. sciences, and Dean Radin. Specifically, yeah, and Dean replied me back. And I happen to be I happened to go to bat gap and type in the word consciousness to try to see who else I might send the paper to write it, because backup is a pretty good resource. I typed it in. Well, I didn’t even get to that point being raised in the city near he was being interviewed, I guess it was last November. And I sat there and listened to the interview. And I thought, Oh, my gosh, it’s everything I’m Brighton is I’ve written in my paper is what he had record talking about, you know, and I had just sent my paper to D. So he and I had added some email communication. So I sent it to Rick. And I said, happy new year, my friend, because what you were just saying is, is everything that isn’t my paper, just read my paper. And it was really just a gift to him. And then about a month later, he said, You need to get you know, you need to get in front of a microphone. I said, I guess it’s time. And this is another thing about the awakening experience. You know, we don’t have to I don’t have to go I do whatever I’m inspired to do. I was inspired to write the paper. I was inspired to send it to science organizations, very specific ones. I was inspired to when I heard Rick Archer, I just shot him the paper, are you we are working now from a place of creation from a place of inspiration. It’s no longer about money, there’s no fame, there’s no, there’s no none of that worldly stuff. It comes from pure inspiration from the heart to to share, to share now and to let humanity know what what we’re capable of, through intention, by the way through through intention sets your intention, set your intention no matter what it is. Aim high.
Yeah, exactly. Aim high. Exactly. I got two questions for you to before I wrap up this show lisa. And the first question is, is that what came from all of that? for anyone that’s going in, that’s in a inward, and is in a relationship, and they partner doesn’t get it? And I see this a lot? Yeah, what would your advice be?
I would say they’re not fully surrendered. Because the creator will make way remember, it’s, it’s We are the process of creation. And if you will allow for this higher power to move through you, it will make way for everything else in your life, in order for the fruit to bear. Right, and that fruit is the awakening to the higher consciousness. And we we accept in all cases, in particular with family members and, and people around us, especially our mates, that God is taking care of that too. We have to trust that trust in the process of creation, that is God and it’s happening all around you, not just to you. Remember, we’re all connected. We’re all connected. So if you’re ready for the fruit, it will only blossom if the environment is proper as well. And God will make way for that. total surrender, total surrender if you’re going to try to move away from that situation. See, that’s an action that God can take care of the universe will take care of whatever needs to be taken care of, in order for the higher consciousness to evolve properly. And now my now my husband has a meditative practice. I’ve gone on back app, he’s read my paper. Now he’s heavily into meditation himself. He loves it.
know what does that if I if I rise up? So all men around me something like I’ve viewed
a rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah. Well, another question is to sparked another one. God, what does that word mean to you? Because it conjures up so many beliefs. And we’ve used the word a lot throughout the conversation today.
I actually like the word. So I still use it, but I do. I do now relate to it in terms of consciousness of being the substratum of the entire universe and were immersed in this field of reason word field does, I even like the word space now, right we we are, we are in we are immersed in mind, Universal Mind. Matter arises from Universal Mind. And mind consciousness is is the substratum of all of that. So, I like using the word God, when I’m in prayer or meditation, still, it’s inspiring. We hear the science community use unified field, it’s very hard to feel that in prayer, when you use unified field, I like God or the universe, to me that word, those words speak to a higher power that I but now that I know, it’s right here, it’s no longer this thing out there that I won’t meet until I, you know, pass away. It is consciousness, I am conscious being It’s right here. And so when I yeah, when I when I speak to certain audiences, I’ll use the word, consciousness, even unified field, but definitely not when I’m not when I’m in contemplation or prayer, because I know what it means. But if the mind has to be convinced that there is a higher that it has a maker, the mind and so and the other care left brain like right brain, it doesn’t matter if it’s, you know, analytical or the more creative side, it’s still all mind. And it has to realize that it is a an agent of omniscience. And we you start thinking about that, and the power, the creative force behind everything that we are experiencing, whether it’s matter whether it’s moment to moment, everything is comes from stems from this consciousness, this god that is, is behind the whole show. And what’s the mind comes in touch with that, it will acquiesce it will bow down, it bows away. And now I pick up the mind as a tool, when I need to analyze or do whatever the mind is capable of doing. But I no longer depend on it, you know, 24, seven, I sit and wait to be inspired by this inner world and, and have things just happen, you know, how it is sometimes in meditation, what most times in meditation, some of the beautiful light shows and things that can happen in meditation, it’s all very real, it’s all very real. So the body, the mind becomes more of a tool. And it’s being used by the beautiful body organism that we have. And, and, boy, it’s just, it’s just an exploration guy, you know,
you know how it is? Certainly is certainly is not thank you for that. But my last question that I asked everyone on the show is, with everything we’ve covered today, is it anything you’d like to leave our listeners to ponder on?
Maybe I said it before, in in different words, but I would highly, highly encourage everybody to take that leap into life, the inner world, and to explore that to its fullest and it will it’s it’s it’s a never ending journey. It’s it’s once you once you, once you turn inward, you you will find that there is so much there, the inner world becomes your best friend, you find that universal peace, my friends, that is the springboard right for exploring the the universe and I’m just now in you know, in the beginning of all of this, I would highly encourage everybody to go within and in stay with him.
Thank you, thank you for sharing and for anyone listening to this. Where can I send them to if they want to connect with you say thank you or reach out to those? Where should I send them this?
Well, I you know, I only have my Facebook page and if you can link that up to two This and then from there, so I’ve emailed some people if they want to get into conversation. I’m more than willing and I’ve I’ve taken several phone calls from folks from the Buddha at the gas pump interview, and I loved talking with people. This is a thrilling I get so it’s just a thrilling subject for me to talk about. I can talk about myself now all day long.
No, he said, Look, I just want to say thank you and anyone listening compose this below, the link to your Facebook page will be there. And just thank you for sharing so openly and honestly, and being able to, for me, as well have conversations like this is really important. And I’m just glad you came on the show. So thank you. Lovely.
Well, I’m glad you’re out there die I really am. It’s, it’s a it’s a pleasure to be able to explore what people consider anomalous experience, but know that we can have them through pure intention, and that it is life. It is our very life that is taking us into this exploration of our inner world. And it’s gorgeous.
Exactly. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, guys.