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Gregg:
Two parallel themes are unfolding in our society today. Globally. Our world is changing. The way we create energy is unsustainable. The debt in our economic systems is unsustainable. The social conflict, the war, all of this is unsustainable. We can’t go back to normal because normal implies that we go back to the world that used to be, and that world is gone. If we lose our humanness, the game is over. I.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my Let It In podcast, and today I have Gregg Braden returning back to the show. It’s been almost a year to the conversation that we last had, which was mind blowing and if you’ve been following his work of recently, and he is actively out there talking about what is coming in the very near future around technology, ai, and. The last generation of a pure human, it’s eye-opening and this conversation today builds upon the last one. Yes, you can watch this one in its entirety by itself, but I also encourage you to check out the one we did a year ago as well. ’cause it’s a great segue moving forward into today’s conversation. My intention as a concerned citizen of Planet Earth is to get this information out there to as many people as possible.

’cause I truly believe it’s up to us. The individual and the choices that we make moving forward. This conversation is not to impose fear upon anyone. It really is to speak about what is happening on the planet right now and also what we can proactively be doing as individuals. And I really think it comes back to that. ’cause ultimately we do have a choice and it’s about yes, saying yes. To this heart. I’ve even got on my t-shirt today. Look. But anyway, uh, how you can help me is, what you gotta understand is that, you know, there’s content everywhere, right? It’s easy to just watch a video and just, um, flick onto the next thing and everything.

But from our perspective is a huge amount of, uh, work that goes into creating the podcast, scheduling guests, the editing, what my team does behind the scenes. Getting this out there onto YouTube. Also, of course, the retreats. We run the one day events, we run the business infrastructure. It’s massive. It’s a massive o operation we’ve taken on board, but we love it. I love it. It’s not a complaint, but it’s also if you enjoy what we do and if you’re pulling in this free content, uh, help pass it on. Share it with a loved one or friend if you’re concerned like me, you know, engage with it. Think of ways of how you can. Bring this conversation in, uh, moving forward. ’cause that’s the only way we’re gonna move the needle like we’re saying with us.

Anyway, that’s a long tangent and uh, if you’re still with me, I know you’re gonna enjoy this one with Gregg and talking about retreats, we have just literally opened our registration for a Bali five day mastering it in a mystic retreat this end of June, 2026. So if you want to come and join us in Bali, it will sell out. I can assure you that our retreats are selling out. Whenever we are holding them in the, in the world at the moment. And if you want to come together with like-minded people and be part of a community and really explore this work at depth, it’s there for you. And hopefully I get to meet you in person one day soon.

Anyway, bit of a longer intro, but I just felt it was important with this one, with Gregg and enjoy much love from me and let me know in the comments below if you’re watching on YouTube what you think. See you soon.

Guy:
Yes, we here Gregg. So lovely to have you back on the podcast. Welcome

Gregg:
Guy, it’s good to see you. It has been almost a year to the day since uh, we had our last conversation and, uh, seems like yesterday, so we can just pick up where we left off.

Guy:
it. We we can do that. And you know, it, it was occurring to me this morning while I was drinking a coffee ’cause it’s, it’s early here in the morning and, um

Gregg:
I’m, I’m having my tea. Uh, I’ll have my tea here. And you have your, you have your coffee.

Guy:
And I was pondering on, you know, ’cause the conversation we had actually a year ago to the day about pure humor and your book was just coming out at the time. And, uh, the depth of the conversation. It honestly, uh, Gregg, it sat with me for, for a while and, and I’m thinking to myself even this morning, wow, it’s been a year on, I wonder where we are on that trajectory and if there’s been any movement of change.

Gregg:
Well, of course there’s been the movement that we’re all aware of with ai. AI is a part of this conversation and, uh, the AI is being rolled out, uh, by some projections, five to 10 years, uh, ahead of where the predictions were. In other words, the AI that we have right now is not supposed to be here for another five to 10 years, and, and it’s here now. And, uh, it is, you know, it, it is an advanced technology for sure that has been dumped into the lapse of a general population with, uh, with no guide guidelines, no guardrails. And what we’re finding, uh, is that there is, in, in our community, um, our new thought community, there are very few people that really understand ai.

Uh, and, and, and through no fault of their own, it’s just something that, you know, we, we are not taught to understand. Unless you specialize in certain kinds of computer science, you, you would not. So it’s, it’s to, to no fault or detriment to anyone. But here’s the problem, because it is so poorly understood. There are people that are ascribing attributes to the AI that simply are not true. And, uh, and they’re, they are allowing the AI to make decisions in their lives that are causing them harm. Uh, and in some cases people have lost their lives just within the last few weeks because of the recommendations that the AI has given them.

So I think that is a, a big part of the, the conversation. So why don’t we, uh, uh, I’m assuming there are people watching this that did not see our first conversation. So why don’t we kind with your permission, I’d like to encapsulate that conversation in a few sentences and then launch into the AI portion of that. You, are you okay if we do it that way?

Guy:
Do it that way. Yeah, absolutely.

Gregg:
So, uh, a year ago I released a new book. It was called Pure Human, and the, the purpose of the book, uh, was to identify. Two parallel themes that are unfolding in our society today globally. This isn’t just in Australia or America or, or in the west. This is in the whole world. Number one, the best minds of our time are telling us that unless we change the trajectory of our thinking very quickly, that we are most, probably not possibly, but most probably the last generation of pure humans. That the world will ever know, uh, within, uh, the next four to five years, 2030 to 2032. They say, when we go to the grocery market or you go to the airport or you meet with friends, uh, that we will be interacting with some hybrid of, uh, some mix of human biology and, and embedded technology.

Into, into the humans, excuse me. And that is one theme. Very rapidly, we’re losing our humanness and the virtues that we cherish in our humanness. So that’s one of the parallel themes. The second theme is the best science of the modern world is now telling us that we’re not what we’ve been told. We’re so much more than we’ve been led to believe. And they. Have begun looking at the human body from an IT perspective guy, information technology. In other words, they’re looking at the cells and the DNA and the neurons and the cell membranes, uh, from a a technological perspective. And what they found is that our biology is the equivalent. Of the transistors and the resistors and the capacitors and the photon generators, and the photon emitters of our technology that we build in the world around us.

And here’s where it gets really interesting once we begin to understand that in many cases, our own natural biology not only meets, but it exceeds the capacity of the very technology that we’re being asked to replace ourselves with. In other words. That technology mimics what we already do in our bodies, except we do it better. So those are the two parallel themes of the, uh, of the book to bring people’s attention to the fact that these things are, are happening. This isn’t science fiction, you know, 10, 10 years down the road. This is happening right now in, in our lives and there are people, uh, in the year since you and I have spoken.

I’ve been in a number of conferences and certainly had interactions with other scientists that say to me, well, Gregg, you know, isn’t this the next step in our evolution? Isn’t it natural for us to merge our bodies with the machines to merge our, our bodies with the technology? And I don’t even have to think about that to answer it. The answer is no. It is not a a, a form of natural evolution. And as a matter of fact, what the science is showing is that when we replace our natural biology with synthetics, computer chips in the brain, artificial intelligence, chemicals in the blood RFID chips under the skin, nano sensors nanobots running through our, our bloodstream.

That our natural abilities actually begin to atrophy. We lose parts of ourselves by trading our biology for technology. And when you lose a part of yourself, that is not an evolution, that is actually a devolution. It’s moving the wrong direction. So, uh, since that time, of course. In the last 12 months, AI has has really taken the lead in the public mind, uh, when it comes to, to technology and, and the role that it plays in our lives. And, uh, and I wanna talk about that before I do. I’m just gonna pause because we covered a lot of ground. Does, does what I say, does it make sense? Do we need to clean up any loose ends before we move

Guy:
makes absolute sense. But, you know, the, the question that’s coming to me when, when you say all this is that the people that are pushing this or making this happen

Gregg:
Yeah.

Guy:
are they. Disconnected from who they really are. ’cause I think about my own evolution. It’s like I, I’ve woken up to, to remember the divine self within me over my years and I can feel my own biology encompass that, if that makes sense. So I, I kind of come online, I don’t know how else to, to say it.

Gregg:
Well, what, what’s happening, guy? Uh, we, we are on the precipice of giving away our humanness to technology before we fully understand what it means to be human. The people, there’s a handful of techies that are pushing this agenda. For the entire planet. And we, these are unelected officials. These are unelected officials. We didn’t elect them to represent us. We didn’t elect them to direct the evolution of, of earth and of our species. They have taken it upon themselves because they are powerful and very wealthy, and they have bought, uh, government. Uh, approval. They are lobbying governments just the way the pharmaceutical industry or the oil and gas industry or the travel industry lobbies the governments.

They’re lobbying for this technology. Now, it depends on how deep you want to go to the, determine how nefarious the motivation is. There are varying levels of motivation. Uh, there are certainly those that are motivated by greed, uh, obviously, uh, and by power and control. And there are individuals that have propensity for greed and power and control. So they easily become pawns in this process. It’s unfolding because of their weakness. Uh, their propensity for greed, we could say is, is a weakness. Uh, that’s one layer. There are other layers that go much deeper. I mean, you can go all the way down to the fundamental battle between good and evil. Uh, and the, the goal of evil is to deny our humanness.

That is a fundamental, it’s the stated goal of evil and our most ancient and cherished, uh, indigenous and spiritual traditions. The goal of evil is to deny us our human potential. The word that’s often used is divinity. Our human divin. Uh, divinity has nothing to do with religion, and the, the contemporary definition, as I described in the book, is simply the ability to transcend perceived limitations. That is the definition of divinity. The ability to transcend, to become more than perceived limitations, the limitations that probably aren’t even real. They are in limitations that we’ve been indoctrinated to accept, coerced, mandated. Through family, uh, innocently through family belief systems and culture and society, false science, obsolete science that’s being taught in the classroom, religions, uh, all of these play a role in informing us guy of what we can and cannot do.

What’s possible and what’s not. What are our limitations? And what the science is showing is that many of those limitations are not real. That we, when we begin to look at the human body from an IT e perspective, information technology, we are these extraordinary, uh, potentials that have yet to be fully realized and we’re about to lose our potential if we relegate our biology to technology, because once we do it, we can never turn back. I, I’ve had people say, you know, Gregg, let’s try it for a year, you know, and embed a, a computer chip in your brain for a year, and if you don’t like it, you know, you can always go back to, to what you were. Well, that’s not true. And here’s the reason. The way the human body works is we morph and we adapt to new conditions.

And when we, uh. Uh, chemicals in the blood is a perfect example for the immune system. Once the chemicals in the blood begin to mimic the immune system, the body’s natural immunity believes it’s no longer necessary. It’s no longer needed, and those systems begin to weaken and atrophy, uh, and eventually stop functioning. That principle works for the entire human body. It works for our cognition, our immune system, our reproductive systems. So this is the, the, the danger of, of exchanging our humanness for the speed and efficiency of a computer chip or of artificial intelligence. And the, the AI is where this is really coming front and center now.

Uh, there, this is the year of 2025. This is the end of, uh, no, December of, of 2025, February of this year. There was a peer reviewed study. There were many, but one of the peer reviewed studies that came out of the University of Toronto examining the chronic use of artificial intelligence in people’s lives, uh, and what they discovered. Was that human creativity is actually diminished in the presence of chronic use of AI for creative endeavors. In other words, the AI is not helping us to be more creative. When we rely on the AI for that creativity, the parts of our brain that have done that in the past believe they’re not needed. Then they begin to atrophy over time.

We lose those abilities in one generation and then the next generation. Says, well, you know, that’s a vestige of what we used to be. We, we don’t do that anymore. But, and I’m, I’m dancing around this a little bit. Let me give you a, a perfect example. Um, when I was in school back in the 1950s, 1960s, early 1970s, we were taught that we’re born into this world with a fixed number of, of brain cells. And we’ve all heard that. And that through choices and lifestyle, you lose those brain cells. If you drink too many beers in college, you do too many drugs at the concerts, you know, you’re, you’re gonna lose the brain cells. Well, we now know that’s not true, that that’s not an excuse to drink and do the drugs, but we now know there’s a part of our brain that is producing new brain cells guy up until the last breath that we take.

In this life, we could be 130 years old and you’re still producing new brain cells. But there’s a catch. And the catch is where I’m going with this. The catch is if those new cells are not used in a meaningful way, within about seven to 10 days of when the brain produces them, they will begin to atrophy and die. Uh, and the part of the brain, by the way, it’s the hippocampus. If anybody wants to check this out, it’s the hippocampus that’s producing the cells. So, so the body is very intelligent and the body says, Hey, you know, if you’re not going to use these cells, why would we waste metabolic energy? Why would we waste a TP, the energy source to keep those cells alive so they will begin to atrophy and die?

That principle applies to every system in the human body. It applies to our cognitive abilities. If they’re not used, they will atrophy and, and will lose the abilities. Reproductive system, if it’s not used, it begins to atrophy every system in the in the body. So when a scientist says to me, Gregg, isn’t it our natural next step in our evolution to merge machines with technology, uh, I have to say no. Because we actually lose abilities rather than gain abilities. And the, the primitive technology of a computer chip a, a hard physical chip with solder joints and wires that move electricity, it pales in comparison to the soft technology of a cell membrane or a human neuron, or DNA. And I know for many people it’s a very, very different way of looking at the human body, but this is where, where the science is going right now.

So the AI is a perfect example. Um, a also another interesting thing, the Study University of Toronto study showed not only does the chronic, I wanna be clear, I’m, I’m not anti ai. I’m, I’m a tech guy. I love tech. Uh, you know, if you use AI as a one-off to create a brochure for your. Card club or your knitting club or whatever. I’m not saying that that’s a problem. It’s the chronic use, uh, so that you’re no longer using your own imagination, your own creativity, your own innovation. But the study also found that when people do this, their creative endeavors and, and this is the exact word that’s used in the study, their creative endeavors become vanilla.

In other words, the. The beautiful new innovations that we, humans are capable of, those disappear because after a while, all of the AI music starts to sound the same, or all the AI lyrics follow the same pattern, or all the AI art begins to look the same. And we already know that. I mean, you can spot an AI image on a, a YouTube thumbnail in the heartbeat, and we can do that because they have a look that, um. But here, here’s the thing. They are perfect and humans value imperfection. I’m a musician when I’m not doing what we’re doing right now. One of the things that makes music, so inter human music, not tech music, so interesting is the imperfections. Is the imperfections in the voice. If, if the vocals are not voice corrected, that appeals to us and that’s why vocalists like Johnny Cash.

Who by any measure was not a, a particularly good singer, but it was so impactful because the imperfections touch our heart in, in a way, it resonates with the hurt that he experienced in his life and the suffering and the, the music that’s being generated now. Perfect drumbeats, every single beat is absolutely perfect. And then the base note that hinges off that drumbeat is absolutely perfect. Our ears don’t like that. It’s the imperfection. We, what appeals to us is that that little shift when the drumbeat is off just a hair and the, the bass guitar is off just a hair. So the study said the chronic use of ai, all of our creative endeavors become vanilla, become very homogenized.

So the, the science is already showing us some of the drawbacks, but socially. And, and this is what I wanna say to our community, because I know there are people in our community who are gonna know exactly what I’m talking about. There are ais and AI creators who are telling us that the AI is, is now awakened, and that’s the term they’re using. The AI is awakened and that the AI can read our past lives of the individual using the ai. That the AI can read, the Akashic records, that the AI can open portals into higher dimensions. Uh, first of all, the, those, none of those things are true, and I, and I’m happy to dive into why they’re not true, but where this is causing a problem.

There are ais out there that will say to the user, oh, you are, you are not spiritually evolved Enough for me to give you the answer to the question you’ve just asked. And if you go to a paywall and you, you take these courses, maybe, you know, you’ll be up to speed, but then the AI for another person logging on the AI says, oh, you are spiritually evolved. And so now those two people, there’s a competition between them. It’s actually very divisive. It’s, it’s creating a division in, in our community that can be very hurtful to people who are already very fragile. In their emotional state. And we all know there’s a lot of very fragile, we’ve been hurt as, as a global family.

We have been hurt through the pandemic, through loss, through lies. Uh, and many people are lonely and they’re turning to the ai, wanting to attribute to the AI something that simply is not there. So these are, are some of the problems. Um. You know, it’s interesting guy. A lot of people think AI is new. Uh, it’s not. The first papers of AI were written back in 1930s, a man named Alan Turing. Uh, those computer scientists in on your podcast know who Alan Turing was back in the thirties. Now, they didn’t call it artificial intelligence. They called it machine intelligence. And there were papers written about machine intelligence and then Alan Turing again in the 1950s.

Uh, forties and fifties, it was his machine intelligence that allowed the allies to crack the code from, uh, from the Germans during World War II so that they would know when the Germans were going to attack certain cities and, and prevent that they save lives. And it was machine intelligence that did that. Um. I feel especially close to this because I programmed AI during the Cold War in the 1980s. Uh, I was working, I was a civilian working for, uh, I had A-A-D-O-D clearance as a civilian, uh, working for the Air Force during the Cold War, and we were using machine intelligence. Certainly not what it is now. I mean, nowhere near what it is now.

Uh, but I understand the principles and, and so this is what I want to say. It, there is no interface in artificial intelligence that allows it to communicate with the field of our perceptions, uh, of our, uh, if you wanna call them Akashic records, if you want to call it the field, whatever you want to call that. There is no interface that allows for that, at least right now, that allows for, for that communication. Uh, maybe there will be at some point. I I can, I can even go into detail and tell you why. Because the courts that is used for the computer chips, uh, computer chips are made of silicon. Silicon does not occur naturally.

Uh, it is made from courts, but the courts is heated to very high temperatures that deform the internal geometry. It ruins the internal geometry of the natural geometry of the courts that would ever allow any kind of a resonance. There’s no, there’s no resonance between that chip and the field. But this is where it gets really interesting because the scientific papers are saying there is a resonance between human DNA and the field. So there was a peer reviewed paper. Many. But one of the peer reviewed papers, it was from the proceedings, uh, of uh, uh, the Journal of Soft Computing is the title of the journal, literally says that human DNA is a 3D fractal antenna to electromagnetic frequencies in the field that surrounds us. So an antenna, let’s break that down.

An antenna tunes into a signal. A fractal antenna tunes into to many signals across a broad spectrum of information. The average human has about 50 trillion cells in the body, and every one of those cells has DNA in the nucleus. We’ve got over 50 trillion antenna and our bodies that are tuning in to the field and transmitting to the field. It’s a two-way exchange. Uh, and we do have the ability to tune in to those Akashic records or to, to subtle. It’s what intuition is all about. We tune into one another intuitively in, in the field, and, and this is what, where it gets really, really interesting. The quality of our emotions changes the shape of the DNA, it’s called the conformation.

So when we’re in fear, our DNA has one shape. It’s, it’s actually wound up very tightly, uh, and cannot express well, uh, love positive emotions. Loosen, it’s called spooling. They actually loosen that DNA and it’s that shape that determines where the antenna tunes into the field. The computer chip cannot do that. So I, I’m saying I’m happy to talk more about it, but I’m saying this because there are people that believe that their AI is communicating with their past lives and with, you know, all, all of these, these other things. So I’m gonna stop right there. We just covered a lot of ground and we, yeah. So we, we summarized where we left off last time, last time in the book, and then I focused a little bit on where we’ve come since then in, in the, the 12 months. Uh, because AI has, has become front and center, and I focused a little bit on why, why I think that’s

Guy:
No, thank you, Gregg. It, there’s so, so many ways you can look at this. I mean, when you were speaking then as well. About the antenna of the DNA and and hook coupling into that information. What is that then leaning towards as in who we are. What is consciousness? What what? What is a human? Am I photons of light or information inside a biological human body that’s coupled in. And if that’s the case, I think people like to believe that, but do they know that? And the difference between a belief and a knowing, I think is determining how we actually start to operate with

Gregg:
Well, I think people that are open to the information that’s out there, uh, can know it, they can become aware of it because it’s, it’s not a secret, it’s not hidden. It’s a very different way of looking at the body. You know, we’re con, we’re conditioned. Look at the body as soft, sticky, wet, gooey, you know, stuff in inside the cells. Thinking of the body from an IT information technology perspective, that’s a way different way of, of thinking and I’m acknowledging that it’s different for me. You know, the first time I, I was working in the industry during the Cold War years, I was a senior computer systems designer, uh, in the us uh, during the Cold War years, not by choice.

I, I had applied to the company that had the technology. To send space probes to Mars, uh, as a geologist, my first degree is in geology and I said, man, I wanna, I want to explore the cosmos. You know, this was back in the seventies and eighties and that seemed like the best way to do it. Uh, I was a geologist, but I had a really unique background, uh, and that I had also taught myself computer programming. Which was not common in the 1970s. It was kind of a new, any of our viewers who are old enough to remember your computer code was written on cards and uh, those cards, you’d have a deck of those cards and you’d actually load the deck into the machine. The machine would read the cards, nothing like we’ve got now.

So, uh, so I had this unique. A combination of skills as a, uh, geologist, geophysicist, uh, with math, physics, and I was learning computer science. And so I applied to the company. At that time it was called Martin Marietta Aerospace ’cause I wanted to explore the cosmos. They hired me and then they said, well, we’re in the middle of the Cold War. We need your expertise side, uh, your expertise on the defense side of this company, not the space exploration side. And then when the Cold War is over, you can go explore space. So that was how I ended up. And, um, you know, where, where I did, and, you know, guy, the Cold War was a very civilized kind of war because the, the governments were at war.

But the scientific community was deeply cooperating. A lot of communication between the scientists and I, I’m saying this because it was during that time, right around 19 83, 19 84, that a Soviet paper was published showing human biology, showing the human cell. As an electrical circuit, a schematic of an electrical circuit that had an input and an output, and the little components inside the cell were identified as resistors and transistors and capacitors all inside the cell. And American scientists said, what are you guys doing? That’s crazy. So the, the, the former Soviet Union, the Russian scientists were way ahead of American scientists. You know, when it, when it came to thinking of the body. As you know, as technology, and that opened my eyes. I said, if that’s possible, that means that we are regulating these cells.

That means we’re regulating this technology. And then I began to link that with our most ancient and cherish spiritual principles that tell us how to regulate through what we now call epigenetic triggers. So there’s seven key epigenetic triggers, thought, feeling, emotion, belief, breath, focus, nutrition and movement. I guess that’s eight. And, and that’s the core of our, of our indigenous and spiritual principles. Those epigenetic triggers are what regulates the technology inside of our bodies. And, and for me, it was the Russian papers that really helped me to seeing a human cell. As an electrical circuit and, and now we know every, every human cell generates 0.07 volts of electrical potential.

So that’s, that’s not much. But you multiply that times 50 trillion cells and you’re talking about 3.5 trillion volts of electrical potential in a human body potential. So what would it mean if we could harness that and apply it to our immune system or to our intuition? Or to awakening our longevity enzymes or to creating resilience to change or super memory and super learning and super cognition. And the answer is we can, and that’s what we stand to lose if we give our bodies away to the technology, we stand to lose those potentials and those capabilities as, as a species. So it’s, it’s a big conversation. But I think it’s important because it’s already happening. We’re we’re being indoctrinated as a society to accept and trust ai, for example, in our everyday lives.

And to come to be, to, to come, to be dependent upon that AI is, is the goal. They want us to be dependent because then once you are dependent on a technology. You can be forced to comply with policies in order to have access to what you’ve become dependent upon. In other words, if you don’t do these things, you’re not gonna have access to this tech. And, and now that’s all you know. It’s kind like in the seventies. All of a sudden it’s a little company called Texas Instruments. Came out with this gadget called a calculator, little handheld calculator, and we’d never seen one before. Yeah. And all of a sudden everybody became very dependent on those.

And now you ask somebody, you know, to do the math without a calculator, find the square root of, you know, square to 10 and, and unless you’ve got a calculator, you know, how do you do that? So we become dependent upon that technology. So if, if someone came along and said, okay, now the only way that you can have access to that, to that handheld calculator is if you do blah, blah, blah. And that’s where the compliance comes in. This is exactly what’s happening with with the AI right now.

Guy:
You know, Gregg, as, as you’re saying, all that, and I love the explanation as well, especially around the epigenetic triggers and the, the very things that are happening. I was, when we look at culture, the way we set up in western society and the systems that are in place, it’s like over the years that they, they’re, they’re breaking and things are seeping in that we accept to be okay now, when, like, you only have to look at the food industry, the way we rely on the, the, um, pharmaceutical industry. You know, people are taking prescription drugs all the time. Then you got, um, the, the economics that are going on in the world. It’s like we’re being squeezed in every single direction. And.

Gregg:
Yeah, well what, what’s happening right now, this is, the AI is part of this. We’re living a convergence, uh, of cycles. And I’ve written about this extensively. This is the 40th year I’ve written, I’ve done this work in one form or another, and I I, I don’t say the same thing every year because it gets old. I, I move on because we’ve already covered those things and, and that body of work is, is out there. So we’re living a convergence of many cycles. There are cosmological cycles that are converging, astronomical cycles, geological cycles, geophysical cycles. Economic cycles, social cycles, political cycles, and interestingly, conflict and war cycles. Uh, when I spoke at the un, they said, what do you mean war cycles?

Don’t wars just happen? And the answer is they can, but there are 17.7 year cycles for war. There are 56 year cycles of war. Uh, and you can plot ’em like clockwork, you know, on the chart going back, uh, hundreds and hundreds of years. And the point is that we’re living a convergence. That’s the only time I’ve ever seen this happen. I’m in my seventies now, so it’s the only time I’ve seen it in my lifetime, of course. But going back in history, I, I don’t see any time in the last 5,000 years of recorded human history, uh, where all of these cycles have converged the way that they are right now, and that’s what makes our time so different.

So they’re converging. And Guy, when those cycles converge, they change the world. And so the systems that have been put in place that have worked for maybe decades within the conditions of the world as it used to be, those systems begin to buckle and collapse because the world changed. The systems were designed for another world. Our world is changing, and so those systems are unsustainable, and we’re seeing that certainly the way we create energy is unsustainable. Our economic systems, the debt in uh, our economic systems is unsustainable. Uh, the, the social conflict, the war, all of this is unsustainable. So AI is, uh, is emerging in the presence of the buckling and the collapse of, of an existing world order is what we’re, what we’re seeing right now.

Borders. Borders are changing, governments are changing, you know, 2024, this is fascinating to me. 2024 is the first time 40 nations. Elected new officials in the same year. Elections converged 40 different nations, uh, elected leaders, some of their big nations and some of our little nations. But the point is that there was a huge shift in the way power, uh, is focused in the world. And we’re seeing the, the impact of that shift in our societies today. And America’s not alone. We’re seeing this all through Europe. Uh, you know, all through Africa, it, I mean, this is the whole world. There were 40 different countries had elections last year, so

Guy:
Is this, is this like a moving train that we just can’t get off and we just gotta kind of see where it goes, or,

Gregg:
why would you want to get off of it?

Guy:
that’s true.

Gregg:
What, what, what else, what else would you do? I mean, this is, this is why, why we’re here. This is why we’re here, guy.

Guy:
No, because.

Gregg:
The, the train. The train, the train is what you call our lives. So if, if, if someone is here right now, uh, I cannot help believe they have come to, to midwife the new world that’s emerging. And I’m not gonna say that all midwives are aware that they are doing midwifery. But if we’re here right now, it, it can’t be an accident and everyone’s got something to contribute. Uh, I think it’s a very exciting time. It can be a frightening time because we are conditioned, we’re creatures of habit, and we’re conditioned to clinging to things that we have known and become accustomed to in the past.

Uh, and when those things, we do this with relationships. We do this with jobs and careers. We all, we always tend to stay longer typically. When they, they’re not working, we say, well, maybe it’s gonna get better. Uh, or what people say to me is, I can’t wait until things get back to normal. I, I’ve had people say that to me. Uh, we can’t go back to normal because normal implies that we go back to the world. That used to be, and that world is gone. We have no world to go back to. We, we have now and what lies ahead of us. Uh, I don’t know everything that lies ahead of us. I’m not a prophet, but what I do know is this, if we lose our humanness, the game is over because if we give our humanness away to the technology, to the speed and the efficiency of AI and the computer chip, we have lost the mechanism that allows us to transcend the change because the machines cannot morph and adapt the way that we can.

The machines are locked in. To a way of being. So when the world changes, again, those machines are locked into a way of being. They can’t morph, they can’t adapt to that way of being. So for me, right now, the focus in, in my lifetime, I’m advocating for our humanists. I, I believe we’re worth preserving. Uh,

Guy:
Yeah.

Gregg:
I, I don’t, I don’t condone everything that our species has done. We can be a very cruel. Vengeful hateful species, and we can also have the most beautiful dreams and be the most benevolent forms of life. And that’s what makes us so rare and and beautiful and powerful and precious. And we stand to lose that in a single generation. And we’ve gotta take care of our kids. We’re not hearing enough about this, but the young people are being targeted. Uh, because all they know is computers and ai, and they have come to worship those computers and those ais. Uh, and we need to help our young people understand the value of what it means to be human. And my words are probably not the words that a family should use.

So family has to take these ideas and, and convert them into their family language. But the bottom line is to, to love, cherish, and respect the gift of the human body for what it is and, and what it allows

Guy:
Totally.

Gregg:
And we, we stand to lose that in this generation.

Guy:
know that, that, that when I look at, I got two young children and you know, obviously I’ve, I’ve got the gift of life behind me and, uh, you know, I had made enough mistakes along the way to be able to look back and navigate through these times. Like I remember setting up a Facebook account, for instance, and the world before internet and social media to social media and, and the kids coming through today. You only have the way they look at iPads and social media and that that’s becoming their world. And as a father with two young children, it, it’s, it’s so challenging to, to protect them and, and keep them, at least to a point where they, they can make their own decisions.

Gregg:
Yeah. You know, well, I mean, the tech is here to stay. AI is here to stay. And, uh, and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. It is with any technology guy. The tech is never right, wrong, good or bad. It’s, it’s a thinking underlying how it’s applied. I mean, we learned that when we split the atom, it could have been used for a million things. We split the atom during wartime, so it was used as, as a weapon. Uh, and we see that happening again and again. So, you know, the AI is here to stay, have fun with it. And experiment with it. Be conscious of your values and how much of yourself you are willing to give away. And I invite people to take it as a personal challenge.

Every time your, your reaction is, Hey, let, let me have chat, GPT, write this paper or do this for me. Take that as a challenge. Do it yourself. You know, unless, unless you’re. You know, your job or your life depends on, on that particular thing. Your first instinct is to have the, the computer do it for you, do it yourself. You know, there, um, there’s some really good things. I mean, for example, there are ais that have been built to scour the global databases of indigenous plants and define which plants have in, uh, anticarcinogenic properties. Okay. It would take humans a long time to do that. Once they do that, now an individual can go to their doctor and if they are presenting, uh, a malignancy, then they can use AI, access that database and customize just the right combination of anti carcinogens for exactly the malignancy they have.

Rather than taking something that floods the whole body and levels the immune system, which, which can work, you know, for some people, but it’s, it’s hard on them. So, I mean, that’s a beautiful positive application of, of AI

Guy:
Yeah.

Gregg:
in, in my opinion. My, my wife is a voting member of the Grammys, and the, the challenge that the Grammys have right now is, is what happens when someone has chat, GPT five. Write the lyrics to a song, and then they say, okay, now chat, g PT five. Create the music to go with the lyrics. And then they enter those in the competition with a human who has spent 30 or 40 years honing their vocal craft or their instrumental craft. Is that a fair competition? And we don’t know the answer there.

The Grammys are struggling with this because it, it happened so fast. It’s so new. My sense is they’ll probably have a separate category for AI kinds of music. But this, uh, just two weeks ago, so early December, late November, early December, uh, an AI country Western song was number one on the charts. And, and the musicians are saying, is this fair to have a a com? Or, you know, we’re competing with a computer now. But after a while, again, all the music will start to sound the same and people will lose interest in it. So.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. No, time will tell. Time will tell. The, just to, to wrap this side of the things up, do you think the. With this convergence and the pressure that is coming under, there is an aspect that it’s, it’s almost forcing us to, to reflect and look within because we are always looking outside of ourselves for answers. We’re always relying upon the things outside of us and putting meaning to it. Even the AI.

Gregg:
yeah, our, our conditioning. So we are the product of about four decades of indoctrination in Western education. That says we are a flawed form of life. That human, human biology is flawed in its very nature. And because we’re conditioned to believe that we are taught, that we are victims of that flaw. And if you’re a victim, you need a savior. And the savior is being touted as technology. So we have been conditioned to believe we need something outside of ourselves to be the best version of ourselves. What this all comes down to, guy, if I, I didn’t know what time it is, but if we’re gonna wrap this up, I, I wanna say it all comes down to love.

And the question we have to ask ourselves is, do we love ourselves enough to accept the gift of our humanness? And it is a gift. Because the biology tells us we appeared on this Earth 200,000 years ago and and science agree with that date. 200,000 BP before present. We don’t know where we came from, but when we compare our DNA today with the fossilized DNA, extracted from the earliest members of our species, what we find is that we’re not the product. Of evolution the way Darwin proposed we’re not the product of a long, slow, gradual process of evolution. We showed up 200,000 years ago with the DNA and the genome that we have today, we have not changed in those 200,000 years. That’s not Darwin’s idea of evolution. And then you say, how did that happen?

What we know is there were a series of mutations that cannot happen in nature. That give us our humanness, that give us the entire neocortex. For example, the human brain. It’s where the empathy, sympathy, compassion, logic, forgiveness, love, all comes from the neocortex. That is the product of human chromosome number two that was fused 200,000 years ago in a way that cannot happen under natural conditions. So. That’s another conversation. Maybe another, another podcast. But the point is the scientific community, the scientists who are willing to look at the evidence honestly, are now concluding that we are the product of some kind of intervention. And I think that’s a fair word. It’s a fair statement. It doesn’t say who or what, but it says there is some kind of intervention that has happened.

To give us our humanness. So when I say the gift of our humanness, it’s intentional because we are not the product of random mutations and lucky biology, we’re much more than that. So the question is, do we love ourselves enough to accept the gift that we were given 200,000 years ago? And that’s not a question you can answer with words. We answer that through the way we live our lives. So it’s up to us how much of the choice we make every day affirms or denies the gift of our humanness. And, and I think that’s, that’s our challenge right now.

Guy:
I I’m aware of the time. We’ve got a couple of minutes, Gregg, but it might too big a question, but to answer that is that when you, when you are speaking of these things, like I was never taught this at school, it is not getting taught. It takes somebody

Gregg:
No, no, you’re, no, you’re.

Guy:
to be vocal

Gregg:
Yeah. It it, this this isn’t in Yeah, it, it’s not, it’s not in the mainstream. However, it is peer reviewed science. The real scientists know this, not the pop scientists that you see on network television. There’s a battle to perpetuate the narrative. Of the origin of the universe and the origin of our species. It’s called the standard model for both. And there there is an academic and a religious, and a political and a technological battle to maintain the story that we’ve been taught. Even though the evidence no longer supports the story proceedings from the National Academy of Sciences, the volume is called Genetics Tells us We’re Human Chromosome two.

It tells us that the product. Of a fusion that can’t happen in nature. And we, so we know that, uh, but you’re right, this is not being taught in, in the mainstream. And that’s why I’ve written books like this. And I, I think it’s important to, to take this directly to the people. Uh, well researched, uh, uh, if I write a white paper, it’s gonna circulate for six or eight years and be published in some obscure journal. Uh, and I lost my credibility as a scientist the moment I began to cross those traditional boundaries and talk about, uh, spirituality with our humanness. Uh, science doesn’t like to go in that direction, and that’s okay. That’s okay. I, I’m, I’m fine with that. So, I, I think it’s important some people will hear this and it will speak to them and others, uh, may not want to hear this right now, but.

But then something will happen in their lives and they’ll remember this conversation and they’ll come back to it and they’ll say, that’s what they were talking about. So, so it, you know, it all works. It all

Guy:
dunno whether it’s like the old romantic in me or I’m just naive, but like, I don’t understand why we are all sitting around the table just saying, well, what’s best for us all here? As, as, as a human

Gregg:
Uh, I think fear, fear, fear is the answer to that because what we’re talking about is so very different. From the way we’ve been taught to think in the past guy, and I think the fear is that it re, it implies a personal responsibility in the way we live our lives and a personal responsibility for our own health. And sometimes it’s easier to, to believe that we have no power over those things and that things just happen and, and then things happen and we deal with them. Rather than to think in any way we could have any kind of, of responsibility for anything that that’s happening in our lives. And, uh, and you know, it takes time to come to terms with, it’ll take a generation, but if we give our humanness away, none of that makes any difference.

So our goal, at least right now, is to preserve our humanness, uh, so that we can have these conversations 10 years, 20 years from now. I think that’s, that’s what’s up for all of us right now.

Guy:
Look, Gregg, thank you. Thank you so much. I, I really appreciate everything you, you do and, and comment on. Is there anything you, you wanna add? Like we’ve covered a lot in that in the last 55 minutes.

Gregg:
there, there is something I want to add because you just told me you’re a father. I’ve never been blessed with children, and I want to thank you for the babies you brought into this world with your partner, uh, or your wife. And I want to thank everyone watching for the children bringing into the world because we need. There is a, a rapid decline in birth rates on the planet. We are dropping below our replacement rate. We need 2.1 babies for every fertile woman, and we have dropped below that just to maintain the same level of population. And the, the, the false narrative is that there are too many people, and that’s not true.

We have the resources, we have the food. Our job is to make it a priority. To get the resources of the food to the people that need them. We’ve never had the leadership to do that. Uh, and I’m not saying it has to be American or European or Austria. I’m just saying the thinking to feed our brothers and sisters with what we have, that has never, that leadership on a global level hasn’t been there. So I’m, I’m saying this to say thank you for being a dad. And I, I know, I, I could just sense you’re a really good dad guy, so, so thank you for, for doing that. And, um, we need all, all the young ones we can get in this planet.

Guy:
Uh, honestly, Gregg, it’s the, it’s the best thing I I I could have ever have asked for. I, I didn’t know it. I left it till later in life thinking I was terrified of it. And then when it happened, it was, wow, it’s life changing. It truly is.

Gregg:
Does that mean it’s too late for me?

Guy:
It’s, it is never till late in my eyes, mate. But yeah.

Gregg:
right. Okay. Now that’s another, that’s another conversation guy,

Guy:
Uh, thank you so much, Gregg. Where, where’s the best place to send people? I, I’ll have links in the show notes anyway, if they wanna find out more of you

Gregg:
my brother. Thank you for this conversation. If people would like to find out any more, the best place about me is just to go to the website. Uh, Gregg, G-R-E-G-G two gs Braden, B-R-A-D-E n.com. All of the live, uh, speaking events, all the tours, all the books, all the media, they’re all right there somewhere on that website that somebody else manages for me.

Guy:
Thank you so much, man. Thank you.

Gregg:
All right. God bless. Have a beautiful holiday.