#90 I recently appeared on my wife Lynda Griparic’s podcast Love & Guts, and wanted to share it with you here.
Nobody knows me better than her, and she really put me under the microscope. There are many things I’ve not shared before, as we discuss what this work has done for us, and how we look after the mind, heart and gut connection. Enjoy!
About Lynda: Lynda Griparic is a Naturopath, Nutritionist, Writer and Yoga teacher with close to 20 years of experience in the health industry. Lynda specialises in digestive health, namely SIBO and constipation.
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Guy: Welcome to the guylawrence podcast. I’m your host Guy Lawrence. After building a successful health company and a number one podcast, I decided to do something deemed a little crazy. I let it go. Set a new destination called the unknown and use. My heart as comfort each week I sit down with great minds as we explore topics beyond conventional health, wealth, and wisdom to inspire and ignite that passion that’s within us all to create the life we truly want. So my question to you is, are you ready to let it in?
Guy: Hey, this is Guy Lawrence and you’re listening to my podcast. Welcome, where of course, I have conversations that go well beyond conventional health, wealth, and wisdom to inspire change in our lives. And, uh, thanks for tuning in. Glad you’re here and bringing a little bit of a special podcast this week because my wife, uh, recently interviewed me for her podcast again. And you know, I think if you go all the way back to one of the early episodes of my podcast, um, there’s a episode there where she interviews me and uh, and this one is a Laura Flores. Things have happened between now and then. And uh, she, she just, obviously nobody knows me better than her and she has an amazing way of, of uh, being with people, interviewing people and um, and I loved it and I, we discussed many things. I have not shared in any my interviews before, so there’s a lot of useful things in here.
Guy: So I wanted to share it with you guys today. Um, I’ve just got back from our second let go and live in flow retreat. We did two in two weeks. Both were sold out. Um, my feet are finally coming back to planet earth and I’m finally grounding myself and I’ll probably do a solo podcast soon when I just reflect a little bit more what went on there. Um, and it’s really hard because here I am in an audio and you are listening to me and you know, if you just listen to the odd podcasts and stuff and then non-involved in Let It In academy or they, I know it can be hard to relate to, but um, it was just, I’m still in shock of what I guess the human spirit is capable of and us as human beings, when we give each other the right circumstances, support and an environment to allow ourselves to really step into who we truly are there’s been moments from both retreats that will live with me forever and I’m forever grateful and I’m so excited to be bringing a lot more of this work to you next year.
Guy: The word’s getting out. It’s just incredible. And all I can say is guys, honestly, I, I’ve, I’m speaking from the heart. If you, if you’re listening to this podcast, if you’re curious, you find yourself, you know, ready to take the next step. Please come and join us. The Let It In academy is currently available. You can sign up there and just dip your toe in. You know, if you don’t like it, leave. That’s cool man. You, we’ve got, I’m doing a one day a workshop with Matt Omo, we’re doing a Let It In a not Let It In, sorry. Let go and Live In flow tour with, you know one day to give you a taste of what we do in that the retreat. We will be in Melbourne this weekend. By the time you hear in this Sydney, we going to be there twice at different areas.
Guy: We’re going to be in Canberra, we’re going to be in New Castle. Uh, where else am I going to be? There is definitely on the Brisbane. We’re going to be four that’s happening this year, you know, come, we’d love to meet you and uh, and experienced this. And of course we’ve got the retreat in January and we are working out how we can actually facilitate more people in January because we’ve got a huge amount of interest and love you to see you somewhere amongst it all. And of course I just wanted to give my, my beautiful wife. A shout out. Um, she’s awesome. I love her dearly and um, she has an amazing podcast too, called love and guts. And if you’re really fascinated about, you know, how the body works, gut health, nutrition naturopathy you know. Um, check her out. Uh, she speaks a lot more clearly than me too, which is a, yeah, amazing. Anyway, I’m very proud of her and uh, be sure to check her out. And she’s also got an awesome tea, which I drink every night. All right. That’s it. It feels, I know I’m telling a lot about what’s come out and stuff, but if I don’t tell you, you’ll not gonna know, you know. So anyway, uh, enjoy this conversation. Uh, hit me up on Instagram. GuyHLawrence if you do enjoy it or you got any questions around anything I said and, uh, much love from me. I’ll see you soon.
Lynda: Welcome to the love and guts podcast today I’m super excited to be sharing with you and interview I did with none other than my husband Guy Lawrence, otherwise known as the Welshman. Guy Lawrence is a coach, speaker, wellness advocate and entrepreneur. He’s the founder of Let It In a program designed to help people bridge the gap between the life they live and the life they truly want to live using meditation and the language of neuroscience. This is facilitated via live workshops, retreats, and the online Let It In academy membership based community program. He also supports people by his podcast called the Guy Lawrence podcast, one of my favorite podcasts of all time. These include conversations with pioneering experts that go well beyond conventional health, wealth, and wisdom to inspire change in our lives. All episodes are freely available via YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, and Stitcher. Guy originally co-founded the natural supplement company 180 nutrition in 2010 which became one of Australia’s leading natural proteins and was a Telstra business awards finalists for their efforts.
Lynda: He also founded the number one ranked iTunes podcast, the Health Sessions, achieving over 3 million downloads before he stepped down from 180 nutrition and the podcast at the beginning of 2018 to start Let It In. And the Guy Lawrence podcast with over 10 years in the health and fitness industry Guy has explored many facets of health, including what’s deemed alternative through his exploration or through his explorations, he has measured his affects on the body from using meditation and neuroscience to create altered states of consciousness, shamanic rituals, cold exposure, and breath work to name a few. Guy’s passion is demystifying the process and separating the woo woo from practical applications that help create transformation in one’s life. So in this episode, we cover the link between the mind, the heart and the gut. We go into what barriers people have when they’re wanting to explore things like meditation and changing old stale, stagnant beliefs.
Lynda: We get into the connection of how the gut influences mood and how that influences the actions that we take every day. And we get into so much more. I thoroughly enjoyed having this conversation with husband and I hope that you do too. And if you do, I would love it if you could leave a comment in iTunes, your biggest takeaway from our conversation today. And while you’re at it, please share this episode with at least one other person in your life, you know, will benefit. And I always love to mention that this episode is proudly sponsored by Better me tea a Tea I lovingly created to promote improved gut health and digestion and assisting those who struggle with constipation and sluggish bowel movements to go to the bathroom with ease. If you wanted to grab a bag or two of Better me tea simply jump on my website, Lyndagrouprich.com and go to the products page there. Today. I have husband extraordinary on the podcast with me. So husband, Guy Lawrence, who are you and what drives you into action? Mostly daily.
Guy: Who Am I and what drives me into action? Um, first of all, thank you for having me. I feel very honored. Uh, obviously I’m your husband and that drives me into action daily. Uh, who am I? Um, I, I think that’s a question I’d been asking my entire life. And, uh, the old room wiser I get, I start to get different answers in different meaning to it. So from that exploration, I guess it is that exploration that drives me into action, that very question. Who am I? Um, I like that. Yeah, it’s true really at the end of the day. I think, um, the more I’ve gotten to know myself, the more I’ve been able to make conscious decisions with intent behind it moving forward and I guess tap into more of my [inaudible] create more meaning, create more purpose and, and create, ah, what’s the word I’m looking for? Literally starting to self-generate your own personal, um, sovereigns power from the inside out. And that shift for me, it was massive and it isn’t and it just continues to evolve and grow. So I don’t even know if that answered the question at all, but that’s, uh,
Lynda: so do you think that there’s an end to [inaudible]
Guy: the knowing of thy self? No, no, no. I, I agree with you. The more, the more, you know, I love saying the say and the more I know, the more I realize, I don’t know. And uh, and I just keep trying to have enough these days, humility to realize that I don’t, I don’t know shit and I, you know, I know a bit to get by in life, but at the same time it’s, it’s coming from that beginner’s mindset has really allowed me to explore the wonder in it all that you kind of have when you’re a child and not innocence before life scars and burdens stack up on you. And I love trying to tap back into that wonder of it all. And I think the more kind of, the more I can drop my expectations and the more I can throw power, I think things should go and be and, and try and feed that ego side of me have proven that I’m right or whatever it might be that I catch myself doing. Quite often the more life becomes interesting to say the least and infectious. And I think it’s, I look at that as a gift now. And having that, that kind of connection of feeling and knowingness that starts to come through from this work, it, it makes me hungry for more. And that’s what drives me these days and it’s in this beautiful, and I’m glad I sort of discovered this now in my late thirties and now my forties. Then wait until the end of it all before I look back and go, Oh shit, I wish I’d done.
Lynda: So there’s a couple of things that come up for me there about the irony of the, the all knowing, but then the all knowing that there’s nothing that we know as well, so that that’s a knowing that there’s nothing that we know. It’s like that saying perfectly imperfect. None of us are perfect, but we’re perfectly imperfect. So it, I, I like the idea of not being attached and not, um, you know, when it comes to knowing the self, I feel as though I’m constantly learning that and I don’t ever think that there is going to be an end goal. I don’t think there’ll be, you know, a point in my life where I go, yeah, that is me. I am defined by that. You know, I am constantly evolving like you’ve mentioned and I get met with myself in different ways. I do things that, you know, sometimes surprise me or I connect my with myself in moments in time and you know, I feel like I meet myself at certain points but I don’t ever really feel as though like a note everything that there is to know about me and I’m okay with that.
Lynda: I actually am okay with that. I wonder what a life would be like. We were not, you know, um, where there is a knowing of everything and there isn’t any exploring kind of think that that would be a little bit boring for me anyways for sure. But I wanted to get you one because your, you’ve really gone on a bit of a journey over the last couple of years now you developed it, uh, like online program. You’ve done some workshops, your heading up a, some retreats with two of two co-hosts, which we dearly love and respect. But I want to ask you, why is helping people become the observer and breakthrough, uh, life stifling behavior important to you? Why have you chosen to, to do work like this?
Guy: I think because that was the tipping point for me and living life in a way where for many years that I was frustrated. Um, I was sad. Uh, I was a lot of sort of negative loops I was in and trying to be conscious of, um, I was conscious of it, but I didn’t know how to resolve it or look at it from a different perspective. And, and it just held me back for many years. Um, and it was also my greatest gift because it allowed me, it was enough discomfort to not settle for things that I wasn’t happy with, but I just didn’t know the solution at the time. So I used to drift quite a bit and be noncommittal to pretty much everything. But once I started to get the hang of this work and in terms of becoming the Observer, um, it has such a huge impact on me and I’m quite an empath to be honest with you.
Guy: Like, um, it’s kind of weird saying that specially being, uh, ex rugby Welshman kind of thing where my identity was for a long time through what an empath is for our audience that may not know what that is. An empath is, is literally, um, I guess almost too open to, um, like I connect easily with people. I can tap into their emotions quite quickly and, and really feel what they feel and, but at the same time, that can be very training because there’s an element of constantly given but then not receiving. And I think we can get in a simple trap where, so I find myself people pleasing quite a lot through my twenties and thirties unconsciously cause I didn’t want to upset anyone or do anything and it was always coming from heart, but it wasn’t necessarily serving me as a person either. Then my best self wasn’t showing up in that.
Guy: So I couldn’t bring it to anyone else. But as I learned to am being the observers, literally just the first step. But as I started to correlate what being the observer was in terms of, you know, I love the term metacognition, you know, our neuroscience term meaning, um, literally to observe oneself. So who’s, if you can think about your thoughts then who’s doing the thinking of those thoughts? If you can feel, um, anxious every day and you’re feeling anxious every day and all of a sudden you can observe the anxiety, then you can start to create a curiosity and an intrigue, nearness of your anxiety. So what, starting to drive that so you can really start to interrupt these, these patterns. And once you start to land lands view and you realize that you’re not your emotions, you’re not your feelings, you’re not your thoughts. There’s a, there’s a, there’s the essence of you that can observe that.
Guy: That’s when you can really start to be conscious and start to interrupt those patterns. Because if life is, um, if each day is a, is a multiple of compounding small choices that we make moment to moment, moment, they, they collect and they had navigate in the direction we go in, in time. And the more I found that become more observant of that and started to make conscious different choices, then it’s literally changed the trajectory of my life and from that impact side of me knowing that I’ve sort of really, I really lean into almost what my heart is desiring and be able to start breaking down my own belief systems, my own self worth, my own judgments, my own emotions, my own human experience and what it is to be human and start to go beyond that and actually once start dissolving those things and get back to the essence of who you really are.
Guy: When I start tapping into that, then great power comes from that and grip momentum comes from that and then all of a sudden I start to buy into a vision of the future done. I did have all my memories of the past of who I think I was. And when you’re able to get to that point where you tip that equation in your favor and really start feeding that monster, that monster of who you really are, as opposed to, I don’t know if most is the right word, but this beast or something like something great within you, you know, um, you get momentum that way. And I have no skill set in in any sense. Like I’m not no one special. I like, I don’t, I left school early. I don’t have any qualifications per se or anything, but I’ve honored that. And from that life keeps giving in mysterious and beautiful ways and I keep it and it keeps unfolding further.
Guy: And I really feel strongly about wanting to show a roadmap of how I do it daily. What I do to is cause I can really tap in empathetic. I can feel where other people are at in feel they pains like of it just I can relate so deeply. So it’s like, well I’m willing to help other people if they are willing to help themselves. And there is no greater gift than being able to open the door and show a roadmap if somebody is willing to take the step themselves. I can’t fix anyone and not in anyone’s broken. But if we’re, if somebody is willing to want to learn to unravel yourself and get back to the essence of them, then for me there’s nothing greater than, and then showing somebody how to do that and seeing them become step on this path and discover their own unique beauty from it.
Lynda: Beautiful. So what I’m hearing is that you’ve gained so much from it, improve the quality of your life and have been able to, you know, make some monumental changes or enrich it in some way. And then you, you then want to be able to, to deliver that or almost like you said, provide people with the tools to do that for themselves and to enrich their lives in, in some way or another if they feel feel called to to do it. Yep.
Guy: Can I, can I I on that? Yes. I want to be. I actually, what if I said no, I don’t know what it’s my podcast app. I, no, I know, I know. But, um, there’s nothing for me like one of the other big Aha moments. It’s like a lived a life, not realizing that you could, you could almost lean into your, your heart, your, your purpose, your passion and start to honor that. And I, and I never realized you could do something you love and make money and survive in this world and, and uh, do a great contribution. And once I started to understand that that’s possible, I wanted to be an example for other people to encourage them to start looking at these things. So I like to hope that my actions and the way I go about things are much greater than actually the words I say. And, and there’s part of me that loves inspiring people to look at that for themselves and really question the current status quo of what they might’ve surrendered to themselves, to think of how they are in the situation on the circumstances. Beautiful.
Lynda: So there’s a couple of questions that I want to ask around that. Firstly, how do you define the work? And I guess I want, I’d love to hear how you define it on a deeper level, but also what does a work look like on a practical level every day? And this will be different for everyone I guess, but what do you do that is considered the working your eyes daily as well as what does the work mean on a deeper level?
Guy: Wow. Um, yeah, that’s a really good question. Um, you know, I was only having this conversation, a coffee this morning with somebody that I met up from [inaudible]. He was in the UN, we sat down and, and he said to me, um, so is the work just about becoming the observer and, and mastering the art and mastering, unraveling the self. My instant reaction was made. That’s just the beginning. Totally right. That’s just a start. But we can spend a lifetime just mastering that. And that for me, the, for me that aspect is, is everything though. Because the work is when things are not going our way, life stresses are happening and it’s how we respond and navigate through these situations. It’s like, you know, if you want to, if you want to get fit, if you sit in the couch all the time and then all of a sudden there’s a requirement that’s gonna stress you to run and you’re unfit, you’re not going to do a very good job of it.
Guy: Maybe a poor analogy, but for me, the beginning of the work has been able to sharpen that saw and have enough emotional intelligence and awareness to see where my patterns are playing out and how I can associate different meaning to the things that are happening in my life moment by moment by moment. So that is the crux of the work. But that’s only the start because it goes way deeper on this because as you start to learn, because once you start to practice not perceiving reality constantly through your five senses and looking externally, because that’s what we do all the time. We live in this linear time where everything’s done by the clock. I get up at seven, I gotta be at my coffee shop at eight and then I go to nine. And we have this illusion that we kind of go on a cross the day to the end and then we go to bed.
Guy: But the reality is we only have now the moment, this moment by moment by moment, you know, and I’m not saying we don’t need the construct of time or anything, but, but that’s what’s happening. And then from that aspect, if it is only now, and as you start to remove your sensories, if you’re willing to give yourself the time and learn to analyze the state, that’s why meditation is so powerful and practice like getting fit for the gym. You’re sitting in, you’re removing all the sensories, you know, you’re closing your eyes, your, your nothing is externally focused. And eventually you can let go of that, that construct of time as well. From when you start to go within and from there that’s when it’s game on because you start to get back to your own consciousness, your own awareness and the essence of you. And you can find, start to find these beautiful transcendent states that your not your identity anymore.
Guy: Like it all starts to evaporate and you get back to the pure essence of you. But as you start to practice and learn that day by day, week by week, month by month, you can then start to allow to have your awareness on something that’s greater that beyond us, which is why I love quantum physics and I love the language of what science is now showing that is an all encompassing energetic field that’s beyond our current space and time. You know, it’s called, um, I know NASA physicist Tom Tom Campbell called it zero point consciousness, the zero point field, the unified field. I mean this is science. You only have to look at um, uh, the physicist Nassim Has Amar whose um, his work is absolutely mind blowing. I’m trying to get him on my podcast at the moment. Cause you know these guys are legends. They’re like Einstein of our modern time and all these complicated words and everything that’s going on.
Guy: Kind of once you get past all that and you can start to experience it, you, you can get beyond our own sensory experience and start to connect to that unified field like you literally can. Cause then you start to question w w w who are we in the first place? What makes us up? What is it mean to be human? And once you start having these deeper states of awareness, cause you’ve finally removed yourself from all the external experiences that are going on and who you’ve told yourself and identified yourself with and start to let all that go and the ego dissolves, you can find this deeper connection and want this deeper connection comes. There’s a deep unknowingness and there’s a deeper trust. And that starts to, for me, what happened with that. As I started to feel that connection more and started going into deeper states, that started to erode a lot of my fundamental fears of what it means to be human.
Guy: And I think quite often if you were really honest, to start to break down the decisions we make day by day, week by week that shape our lives. A lot of them can come from a fear based decision, not from a, from an open loving gratitude place. And if we make enough, we constantly battening down the hatches and making fear based decisions. I think we’re, we’re almost killing the flour to fully blossom. We’re not allowing ourselves to be the full expression of who we are and how it is to be human. And that’s why I’m so passionate about this work because once you start tapping into that, and that’s what I’ve been teaching people within [inaudible], how to really start to tap into that flow in that engine, that connection. At the same time, it can be scary because you still have to let go of the old self of who you’ve identified yourself with and who you think you are and how you are.
Guy: Because there’s a safety in that because there’s a familiarity with it. But as you let that dissolve and sometimes disorder has to come, there has to be a bit of chaos. It’s like cleaning the house out. You know, you, you wanna you want to sparkle things up. But sometimes you gotta like get in the closet, you can pull all the clothes out, you can pull everything apart and you just make this huge pile of mess. And then you go, oh my God, everything’s breaking apart, everything’s falling down. And then you start clearing out what you don’t want anymore. You start giving the things away you need and then all of a sudden you put it all back together, maybe in a different way, in a different ship or you’ve created a lot more space to allow more in and, and I, and that’s how I see this work as well. And once you start allowing something else in, you’ve got to create the space in the first place.
Lynda: So can we, can I just interject there so we don’t lose people? How does that look like to you on a daily basis? What do you practically do that you consider to be [inaudible]
Guy: a part of the work? Sure. Yeah. Well, obviously I meditate daily for start. I, I get up in the morning and, and I will sit, um, you know, it’s literally like brushing my teeth. I generally take one day off, um, from it. But, um, I get up and I’ll sit down and sometimes I’ll listen to music or sometimes I’ll listen to guided or sometimes I’ll listen to silence. And I started observing myself and I started turning those centuries experiences around. And then it’s from that observation, I started to learn about myself and it can be really uncomfortable at first. That’s why people, a lot of people shy away from it and don’t fulfill the practice, you know? And, and then
Lynda: give us an example of what makes you feel uncomfortable in your meditation.
Guy: Yeah, I mean, because if you’re, if you’re used to, um, if you’re used to seeing a certain situation that’s creating an emotional charge around it, there’s normally a story behind that too. So your, you might have been perceiving through the your own lens and interpreting in a certain situation that could be a deep seated, fundamental belief within you that you’ve just except believed and surrender to your whole entire life. And from that story that you has been allowing and denying you to have a create change because that’s how you perceive it. And that’s how it is when you sit in meditation, those that will start to come up and you are, what is it been for you? Is the question, what’s it been for me, a lot of it was from self-worth, literally. Um, I used to complain about, um, like I always lived under the, like I said, I always avoided commitment.
Guy: I lived under the radar and I couldn’t understand why people would, doing the things they did and they weren’t that happy. Okay. But then that was actually a story for me because when I, it allowed me from started looking at what it is I wanted to follow my heart because ultimately when I got to the core of it, I didn’t feel worthy enough to be able to, to share or teach. I didn’t believe in myself. So I could use that story to deny myself from ever moving forward so I could just sit and complain and think in the world’s combat. But then when I started to really look at that and start to sit with it and observe it, it started, the illusions had to dissolve and I could get back to the truth of it all. I was scared. That’s where it can fall down too.
Guy: And is there anything else outside of meditation that you do on a daily basis that you consider the work? Yeah. Well, I think, I think outside of observation of thoughts. Okay. I was gonna say everything, you know, the work is constant, really, like, you know, you catch yourself being observant and you, you look at it, um, can you look at this differently? Can you add different meaning to it? I asked myself the question all the time, what does this really mean? What am I missing right now? Um, I have a gratitude practice. I do, I do it daily, most days. Um, I find if I get really stressed, I, I, I slept in and it’s like, oh my God. But, but I really want to cultivate the emotions of feelings. Like I already have that in my life. I’ve, I’ve had the blessing to know where it’s like to be in a lot of debt and unhappy and, and, um, not really fulfilled an area of my life to then create an a construct in my mind that when this business becomes successful and I can pay myself well, I will then be happy.
Guy: And then when I came, I wasn’t still that really happier. That’s when I really started to look at, wow, those feelings, one worthy in us and things that are also deep, deeply rooted. And I was looking at the external constantly to fix it. So, um, I was forget where I was going with that. What was the last bit, sorry. The daily practices that you do that you would consider the works that we’ve spoke about. Meditation, the point I was making is generating the emotions of feelings that I already have it because, because as you, you dial into this work more, you really start to get the heart of what really matters and that’s now and as the people you’re with and as the things you do and how you’re interacting with the world. Um, and for me, when I have that [inaudible] practice, I really cultivate those emotions and feelings that I have and I, you know, I work on, I’ve become clearer and the direction I’m going with from us to, to let it into the direction of life.
Guy: And, and it’ll always bring me back to, hey, we’ve got this gift called life today. Right now, let’s, let’s just breather in from on lesson it and that, you know, that’s huge. I mean there are other things as well. Like you can do like ice bath on a regular basis. I, I make choices, uh, and I bring up ice bath cause it’s uncomfortable and I make choices that are uncomfortable sometimes. And quite often I want to run away from feeling a certain way, you know, and some, but I did that for a long time. So when things started to come up, I start to almost have like gangs or myself. Now I want to start to lean in to the try and get to the essence of it all, even if it makes me feel uncomfortable. And I think that’s really important because most of the time we just don’t want to go there and we can brush it off as not important, making excuses or whatever. But I find if we just get back to the truth of it whole, like it becomes simpler. And I tried complexity for a long time. I just try and keep it simple now.
Lynda: Definitely. And I think if you’re not sort of, um, growing in the sense of making yourself feel a little bit uncomfortable here and there, like how are you ever going to be changing certain aspects of your life that you might not be necessarily, um, satisfied with? And having said that as well. Um, back to the gratitude practice that you have of embodying something that you don’t necessarily have maybe you want to attain. Um, I think about, we actually are also grateful for what is actually already present. So there’s a couple of points in our day that we sit down before having dinner. We’ll hold hands as Dorky as that sounds and we’ll be grateful for the meal. Or if we don’t feel compelled talking about the meal, it might be something else, but it’s just a moment in time that we appreciate that moment. Or maybe something has gone on in the day and just before bed, before we go to sleep, we will ask each other, what are you grateful for? What’s your biggest win or something. So something that actually has happened or that we’re grateful for in the moment as well as you were saying, being grateful for embodying something that you don’t necessarily have yet, but maybe there’s knowing that you’re going to attain it or it doesn’t even feel like the right word to say timing, but you know, if you’re going to embody it in some way.
Guy: And, and what that does then for me, which is really important cause I, you know, I’ve been driving hard with my, my own project, my business and everything. It reminds me to go, I’ve got everything I need right here right now. And that’s the most important thing. So as I embodied those feelings that I have my future self as well, it keeps conditioning to me and I’m crummy into this moment. And then it takes the pressure off. Yes. Because otherwise you’re just constantly striving for something. Yeah.
Lynda: And there’s a danger in that, isn’t there? Like there’s a danger in, in, um, searching, like I don’t see your searching as being a bad thing, but I always, I almost feel like it needs to be met with a balance of, of being appreciative and present in the moment. Cause I always, I see a lot of maybe searching for something outside of yourself or, and wanting something or wanting to be someone else than what you are currently at this point in time and you’re missing the moments and maybe even conversations you’re having with people or future conversations and then you’re missing the moments of just being with someone and maybe just getting to know someone. So I feel like there needs to be like this balance of mostly, yeah, couldn’t agree more. Yeah. So really important. So do you remember a time, and there might be many moments and you may not even remember where there was a bit of a tipping point where you began to look into these things deeper or maybe a couple of moments in your life where you went, yeah, okay, something’s got to change, or wow, I had that experience.
Lynda: Or you know, that you started to then look at being the observer or looking to meditation more or, you know, liberating energy from the body. Let me dragging you to Kundalini and for the very first time and you being mortified.
Guy: Yeah. I, I think I, I looking back, like I said, I was always, I was always, I always felt like there was more ever since I can remember from being a child and there was this pull, this yearning to something that I had no idea what the hell it was, but it was just innate in me and it was stronger than allowing me to settle for something I didn’t want. So that’s why I’m forever grateful for all those years of being lost because I never ended up in a position where, um, I dunno, I like, I, I kind of didn’t buy a mortgage into getting married and, and all these things when I wasn’t fundamentally happy myself first. So I’m forever grateful for that. But the tipping point, I reckon, so that was the process and not just kept leading me on this path. And then as you go further down the path, it started to accelerate.
Guy: And I remember I was podcasting back in 2012 I think I started with my last company one 80 and I was exploring podcasts. And then I stumbled across somebody talking about Iowasca, which is the plant based medicine, uh, practicing the Amazon. And I just something called something was resonating, uh, at a much deeper level. And I decided to, to do that. And if people are not familiar with it, it, they, they call it the vine of the souls. So you literally drink this stuff, a very powerful psychedelic it and it evolves, breaks down the ego essentially. And I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified, but I just threw up every fear. And that was my first realization that I was doing the work. I was learning to become the observer and standard, um, observe everything that was going on. And I still went through with it.
Guy: And it was, it was 100% at defining moment for me, overcoming myself. And I realize I learned just as much about myself from the months leading up to it as I did actually do in the ceremony for one night and I’m in this, it’s no picnic. You know, they, they kind of guarantee almost you’re going to vomit and potentially have diarrhea. And Nick this purging and, and I think I kind of was out of it for about seven hours all in total. But, and you know, I won’t go into detail what happened, but it would, I remember somebody asked me about a month later, what was it like? And I said, the only thing I can explain, it was like taking a splinter out of my soul that something that was within me and there was this clearing. And from that clearing I, it kind of really questioned, made me question everything for who I was, reality and everything. But I kind of integrated it well and, and it set me on a path to look at meditation much more heavily and, and, and look at this work. And then from that, a chain of events started to happen, which has led me here today over the number of the, you know, the next seven years or whatever it might be from that.
Lynda: And I think that that, um, beautiful thing to take out of this though is that your, um, like the exploration didn’t stop at you having to feeling compelled to have multiple IOWASCA experiences, like you’ve been able to explore yourself, um, your observations, all the rest of it through meditation, through breathwork even, you know, and so I think that that’s, um, good. Sometimes I feel like there’s a bit of a danger, like these, these conversations are really important to have, you know, it was an experience for you, but I see a lot of people, um, going for that quick fix when it comes to things like plant medicine or whatever it might be and gs mean recreational drugs back in the teens. You know, it was, it was my way to, um, liberate myself from such, such shyness and, you know, and, and also get a bit out of body and that sort of thing. So I think it’s the integration after plant medicine and what you do for most of the time on this earth. Totally. Then the quick fixes of drugs or plant medicine or whatever, but they certainly do have a huge place for many years.
Guy: They do [inaudible], but we, we what’s within us to any given situation. So if it isn’t, we take, it’s like, you know, money is neutral, but you give an idea more money. He’s just going to spend, you know, I’ll still be an idiot just with more money amplifying. He’s going to amplify his current states. Yeah. So, so human nature, we tend to do that with anything. We do it with pharmaceuticals. We could do with plant business and we can do with alcohol. We can do it with money, we can do it with relationships. And for me it was very clear that the Iowaska salmony wasn’t another chance of escapism, which I think we can often do, especially when you start looking at this work, we can actually cling onto these things, these tools and use them to escape, to escape, to actually start looking at the very fears that are fundamentally driving us in the first place.
Guy: And those, for whatever reason, I was very conscious of that before leading into it like this. This was a very serious, I like, I researched it heavily. I, I, I really started to the latter, taking the advice on board of the, from the Sharman that would send the email out way before. And I’m looking at this, you know, and, and I think there was a huge amount of respect shown and it’s like if I can take that dignity and respect into other areas of my life too, I think that’s when this work really started to shine and, and show up in our lives
Lynda: and type the information that you got from that experience and apply it to your life. Cause actually you’re like, maybe what’s happening for a lot of people is that they’re coming back from an experience like that and then they’re feeling really like on a high almost and feeling like things are being shifted. And then they go back to their normal environment, the normal triggers, and they might find themselves in a position again where they’re reacting a certain way and then they’re getting met with themselves again, that part of themselves that kind of, they don’t want to be in. And then they go, okay, well I want to go and get another fix. Then you know, I’m going to, I’m going to go and that’s going to give me more answers or that’s going to give me what I need. And then, so I, what I’m trying to highlight here is I guess the importance of the implementation and the work that you do afterwards, which is virally refer to the work, you know, the work afterwards. Exactly. Do in between. So moving on from that, what do you reckon the biggest barriers are that people face when they start to implement meditation or even create change?
Guy: I think we’re just terrified of feeling a certain way, you know? I think that’s a huge barrier to entry that we w because, because once something is beyond our scope of our reality, I. E an unknown, we’ve only got our past experiences to try and predict a future outcome. So if we’ve had a past experience our entire life, only showing a certain side to ourselves, we accept, believe and surrender into that side of ourselves and, and I think people are, I find that it was, for me, I was frightened of what I was going to feel at the end because at the end of the day, it all boils down to a feeling. No matter what we want to chase or have in life, it’s going to give us a certain feeling. No matter how much money you have, how much security you have. It’s the feeling of the end product.
Guy: And I think we are terrified of like it can feel like life or death sometimes and we just avoid feelings. Why won’t I? Why want to confront that person when they’ve just been rude or nasty to me or something? Or why won’t I stand my, because it’s a feeling. And that’s when I started to realize I was being over empathetic with people and please him because I was avoiding certain feelings within me, feelings of unworthiness feelings and not believing I could change feelings of this is how it feels and because it was familiar, it was the known. And then there’s comfort in that. You know, the better the devil we know, how many people do we see self-sabotage all the time in all areas of our lives. And ultimately I think it comes down to the feelings that we feel. So once, if, so meditation, you know, if you think about sitting in silence for 20 minutes and you’ve not done it before, automatically you’re going to think of pain or the, oh, that’s going to be hard.
Guy: That’s going to generate a certain feeling that you’ve now associated to it that’s going to avoid you and deny you from stepping up and doing it for another week, another month, another year. And then that’s when, you know, change doesn’t change and we stick to the discomfort and the pain of what we have yet on the other side of, of that pain is freedom. On the other side of the known is a breakthrough and it just takes a level of awareness and a little bit of courage and you can learn to enjoy the process. Like I have a very different relationship with my emotions and feelings that come up each day now. And I can almost jokingly laugh at them when I start to feel anxious. Sometimes my body just starts to react and respond and um, and it’s actually quite a very empowering place to be, to sit with those feelings and know it’s happening, you know?
Guy: So I think that’s probably the biggest barrier to entry. I think another one is, um, when you say the word meditation or any this kind of work, we bring our own meaning to it already. Subconscious meanings. And if you said you’re, you, you know, you could stop 20 people on the street and ask them to explain meditation, you get a very different answer to every single person. So it’s like my answer is not necessarily right or wrong either. So the meaning that we’ve already associated to it can be denying ourselves from it anyway. So it’s very easy if we have what’s called a cognitive dissonance. If, if, if a gap feels too far, we’re then able to fill the gap with their own belief systems and then not denies this from ever taking the actions of the steps in the first place and a, and I think they are probably the greatest barriers to entry.
Lynda: And do you think people kind of, God don’t you love Friday afternoon lawn mowing. This is the rawness of doing it in our kitchen together. Do you think people worry about not even worrying but they that commitment to sitting down and the act of just being, is it problem too? Like people expect an outcome from a meditation or they expect to be doing it a certain way and to be doing it properly, whatever that might look like. I hear a lot of people say od can’t do it properly. I’m not very good at it. And I just kind of think, well, what’s good at math? What is a good meditation? Does that even exist? Isn’t it just what is, you know, like there’s a lot of people that, that I hear those words come out of their mouth or I just, I’m not very good at it.
Guy: Yeah. But that, that’s getting better. But that’s a, that mean totally. And that’s a flip an answer because it’s like, I’m sure that that’s easy to bring into any situation then if it requires effort. Yeah. It requires effort. We live in a a world for, of instant gratification. You know, we can and comfort and comfort and a ring and Wilbur Eaton and food’s deliver to, you know, like we take for granted of every kind of first world problem that we have these days. And I think anything, anything worth having in life takes effort. It takes craft and it takes learning. There’s so much wisdom from the journey itself and that’s where the true joy is. It really is. It has been for me and the if, if it’s, it’s quite hard to, to explain because until you have a complete embodied month, complete experience to something you can’t relate to it.
Guy: And if you can’t relate to it, then you have done decisions I was talking about. And then we just fill it with our own meaning. We can come up with excuses for anything. We can come up Frances for anything. Like we all are, we’re all at an entitled to our own free will and opinions, you know, at the end of the day. So, but at the same time, what are you coming back to the beginning as mine of what I spoke about earlier and realizing I don’t know as much as I know, one thing I, I’ve done well is, is seek people that are living by their, their actions, not just by the words. And I look at what they do and I look at the, the, the graft and the things that they’ve probably gone through. You could stop any successful person on the street and, and again, what does success mean anyway, right?
Guy: Or entrepreneurial people, I reckon that have a thousand scars on the back just to show what they’ve been through to get to that point. And there’s a deeper appreciation for everything, but they’re in the game and they’re doing it. And that’s who I aspire to. That’s who I listened to. It’s, it’s very easy to regard, to be mindful of where we get our opinions from in the first place and who we listen to. You know, I always, for, I always remember a wealthy man saying wants to meet, would you rather get financial advice from Richard Branson or somebody from the Dole or somebody that, um, uh, is a financial advisor that’s struggling to pay his mortgage. And it really made me think long and hard about that of course, is Richard Branson. Right? But he would be doing things very, very differently to everyone else. But then we’ve got to cut, start confronting our own decent hay, gotten really uncomfortable at times.
Guy: Exactly. Resilient now. Got Back Up. So we’ve got to learn. And, and, but I think the key is as well with all of this work, is that you find your edge, you find your price amateur because it’s, it’s much more effective if you do in it where you feel safe and you feel supported and you feel careful and, and then, then your safety barriers start to grow slowly but surely, and you find you’ll have a much deeper edge of and handle, of comfort over time. And then you would six months ago, 12 months ago, and, and, and on and on. Right. So it’s, it’s, that’s way starting to look at these things and starting to find that is so important. And for me, that’s what starts to keep you sharp. That’s what’s to start to keep your mentally and emotionally fit as well as physically, you know?
Lynda: So do you think meditation, ice bars and healing circles are enough to create behavioral change or alter your mood? Like how important is like nourishing other aspects of our lives? Like supporting the gut function, for example?
Guy: Yeah. Well, we know, obviously we’re big on cat fucker, but, but yeah, it’s huge. Um, it’s not just any one thing at the end of the day. Uh, you know, you can, you’ve got the physical, the chemical, the emotional, it’s all these different aspects. And, uh, I love the analogy of, uh, who did I have on my podcast, Dr Alberto, who talked about the, um, hardware versus software and the hardware being asked, the physical aspect of ourselves and how it’s run, how we look after it, to the software being the essence of us or consciousness or spirit, whatever you want to put it. And if you want the software to run well, you need good hardware and vice versa. And there there’s no, did you know that they’re unseparable in some respects I think is critical. So as we start to learn this, you then start to realize how much things our lives we are doing to probably suppress the feelings.
Guy: At the end of the day. Why do we even need a piece of chocolate? Or why do we do things? Cause it makes us feel a certain way at the end of it, doesn’t it? You know? So, um, I think it’s important. And for me with my own gut journey working with you, I want to raise this because I remember in Nepal, I think it was, I had severe food poisoning 15 years ago. I never was never quite right ever since. But I’m, I’m fully aware that that whatever was going on in there, it was firing a certain signal to my brain, making me feel a certain way. So when I’m doing this work, why do I want to make it harder for myself? Right? Why am I like it’s trying to find these areas of, of data probably looking at, and it was all of a sudden on my awareness when if I hadn’t had that problem, who knows when the alarm bells would have started going off to make me start to look at these things, you know? So I’m working with you and, and working with that area, um, hands down has been a, um, has been a pivotal aspect in it for me. I don’t know if that answers your question, but, um, it’s critical and we, and but the problem is then we create overwhelm as well. At first
Lynda: we trying to change everything. Yeah. Yeah. Well I think, you know, I, I wanted to bring this up because it’s, it is, I think it’s not just one aspect of our lives that we often need to, to nourish, you know, we need to look at other areas of our lives. And I think about how the gut influences the mood. It’s various ways that it does that. So that communication that happens between the gut and the brain is by directional. And all that means is that that one influences the other. And it does that through various ways. And I’m not going to get too nerdy about it, but I just want to really highlight how it can influence our mood. And I also think if we, if our mood is influenced in the sense of maybe anxiety or depression or whatever, we may not be making good choices in our lives and that may even be sitting down to meditation or pushing ourselves to feel uncomfortable.
Lynda: So, you know, even certain agents like medication, like nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs, Proton pump inhibitors, like antacids where antibiotics can affect the gut microbiome. And there’s been many studies that show that that influences the mood and can lead to things like anxiety and depression. Totally. And then other mechanisms that can, um, other ways in which the, the gut communicates with the brain. We’ve all heard of the Vegas nerve, for example. Um, the, the bacteria produces its own metabolites and did even produces neuro-transmitters like gather and serotonin and dopamine. It also produces things like B vitamins and those things that influence the mood. But even when there is a whole bunch or high levels of what we call gram negative bacteria, predominantly those that are proteobacteria is, or bacteroides, it is, uh, they can, um, result in higher levels of Lipid polysaccharides being produced. Um, and they’re just the structural component of gram negative bacteria.
Lynda: And when bacteria die, well, the LPS, uh, shed off into the lumen. And what happens is from that systemic inflammation can result in, and we all probably are very familiar that, uh, there’s an underlying inflammation that occurs with those that, that have depression. But lps can also interfere with the way in which we, um, utilize serotonin in the body. And that influences our mood and I could go on forever. But I, I guess I just wanted to bring that up because I feel as though if we work a lot on just the mindset stuff and the meditation and we neglect what might be going on with our gastrointestinal function, then we’re just giving ourselves a nother barrier to entry sort of thing. You know, another barrier to, um, move through some shifts or some old beliefs that you want and move through and it doesn’t need to take a lot of work.
Lynda: It just might mean you paying attention to something that’s been niggling away forever than bloating. That just never seems to, that you’ve just considered normal all that diary or that constipation that is happening all the time will reflux or you know, the abdominal pain in or you know, cramps or whatever it might be. Or even on a systemic level, as I mentioned, depression, anxiety, joint pain, skin issues, all of these things can be stemming from the gut. So total tangent, but again, just wanting to drive home that message cause I think it’s important. Uh, and as I mentioned, I often recommend your programs and your work and you know, mindset work to my clients. Cause I just know how important that is and may not be in the first session because as you said, it can be overwhelming. And then coming to see me for gut health.
Lynda: And even though that’s a part of it, it may be something that I bring in, you know, within the next consult or further on down the track if they’re not doing something like that already. So Tangent, but I’m allowed to do that on a, on a Friday afternoon. We need a glass of wine. So I want to talk a little bit about your let it in academy. Why have you gone with the leaded in group model rather than a one on one work with people then? I think there’s power in numbers at the end of the day. Um, what’s that quote? If you’re not, if you want to go faster, you go alone. If you want to go further, you go together together. I love that and I’m probably totally botching that out, but I do love it.
Guy: The African proverb. Yeah, it’s on my website. Um, yeah. I, I think when I look at things that have resonated with me over the years, there’s a lot of power and value in a supportive community. And, uh, and I’m not just saying that th th that is even studies out there that I showed, like if you, if you’re part of something that’s positive and your reference point becomes very different to, if you have positive people that are actually more harpist and self paced, um, it can create a really, uh, I th I feel I can create a true change and, um, one on one is fantastic and I, and I’ve been tempted to go into the one-on-one model a few times, but at the end of the day, I want to, I, I’m not, I don’t want to, I’m not, I want to live the full expression of myself. Enough full expression of myself is to really see where I can lead this and impact a lot of people. Um, and I’m only gonna impact a certain amount if I do one on one on. The reality is, you know, it can feel like one on one half the time in there anyway. But, um, uh, as the community grows and the numbers grow and people come in, there’s definitely, there’s great power in our collective consciousness even when we started to do the work and I meditate and so forth. Um, it’s beautiful. So,
Lynda: and I guess my experience with the group work being part of the leaded in academy in the early days and listening to some of the other group members speak and we kind of share similar thoughts. You don’t feel so alone with some of your thoughts. And I think that is very empowering for you to continue on with the work. But I think that there’s something so deeply destructive. You followed it before when he use that word about feeling really alone, you know, and I’ve been in the past, I’ve, you know, quite like my own time I can be, you know, it’s fiercely independent and all the rest of it. But even I struggle with not having human contact, you know, and I think that there’s something really healing and important for us human animals to be with other human animals, if that makes sense. And I think even I’m a big powerful aspect of validity in academy is the healing circles like the, um, what do you calling it, group Angel Group intention meditations that you’re doing. And I think that that giving love to someone and sharing, you know, setting an intention for someone and helping them through something, whether we can do it or not, the intention is there is really beautiful and healing for the receiver as well as the person that’s giving. So
Guy: I’m, I’m a big fan of the fact that you’ve made this a group. Hello. I want to add to that because the, that like when I say this power in numbers, it literally is, yeah. You know what I think what people don’t understand as well, especially if they, I’m new to this work, is that, you know, each individual can generate, um, a certain amount of energy. But when you, when you put that collectively and yes, even from your own home, you can kind of collectively connect and this is what science has shown and there’s plenty of studies and that’s, and we’re proving it ourselves and let it in. You can then you can then raise the, the frequency, the energy, the vibration from a collective group a lot more powerfully, um, than an individual. And that’s what we do at the retreats as well. But by allowing people to step into that bubble and feel that they’ll still have an experiences, I might’ve taken them years and years and years of meditating in isolation. And it’s a really important point cause that’s where I think we get breakthroughs quite quickly because they start to feel that. And then that’s really questioned in their fundamental belief systems, which is what we want.
Lynda: So are they any kind of circuit breaks that you do to sort of counteract any old negative behavior or, um, that might turn out for you? Say for example, if your feeling feelings of lack of self worth or feeling alone or not. That’s really, I mean, that might be a belief. Absolutely. And you’d just have to look up in your eyes and realize you’re not alone. But when you get met with some of these old feelings, how do you circuit break that?
Guy: There’s a few things you can use. Um, you know, I can either go within or, or go with it or go outside of myself when it’s outside of myself, like jump in the ocean or exercise and just feel the sun on my face, change my state, right? But there’s also what I always do as well as I put my hand on my heart and I bring all my awareness to my heart and I quickly drop in and breathe into that space and just try and feel what I feel from that. And I get a very different answer normally, you know? Uh, and that’s important. And that comes with practice as well. Or sometimes I will actually just close my eyes and sit and go, okay, where am I feeling this in my body right now? Walk. Part of me is tightening and surrendering and, and holding on.
Guy: And, and, and quite often it’s my solar plexus or on my stomach, you know, the intestines you can feel in your gut. You know what I mean? I know. And because I practice daily of being not observed observer, I can really start to dial in and sit outside myself with that feeling. And then just observe it and feel it. And normally dissipates is normally a charge, a kind of energetic charge will, will resolve itself. And then you’re just, you, I always think in my mind I’m just turning like, cause neither, nothing could be created nor destroyed. It only takes from one form to another. So I look at that the same way. I’m taking one energy of this charge that’s making me feel uncomfortable and then I’m trying to turn it into another form of charge. And can I take that, that anxiety, that frustration, that fear, I’m able to convert that into a positive energy, energetic force that’s going to drive me further into what I am of my expression of myself. So, you know, it doesn’t come easy and then it rocks me up more, some more than some days. And now there’s, you know, if I’m sleep deprived or if I haven’t been, um, you know, eating well or something and from stress, like I’ve generally, most of the Times, um, I’m spinning a lot of plates but I’m, I’m pretty on top of it. But you know, you get curve balls, life gets in the way and um, these things happen
Lynda: and some of the circuit breaks for me is definitely changing my states. So that might just be from sitting to standing and opening up my chest and sometimes even looking in the mirror and saying, you know, it might be I believe in myself or this person’s gonna feel my love, or I might use, um, bit of EFT, emotional freedom technique. But sometimes if I really can’t shift through it, I’ll talk about it. So I might bring it up with you. And, because I think sometimes when you do a lot of work in the sense of self help work and the work, whenever you want to call it, you feel like you’d need to have it all in the bag and you need to be positive all the time. And sometimes you feel as though, you know, why am I still feeling this? This is old.
Lynda: So I think that, you know, you tend to not talk. Sometimes we can be guilty of not talking about it if it does show up for us. And so sometimes I might just say to you, okay, I’m feeling this way, God knows where it’s coming from. Um, but I’ve been feeling really flattened around it and I feel like the moment I start to air it out with someone close to me, it dissipates quicker. The energy I get it out rather than try to soldier on and be positive. Like if I’ve done all the work and all the things that I know to
Guy: slowly you women that way better than the best men, you know, I tend to just call it [inaudible].
Lynda: You’ve been pretty good at, um, mentioning things to me that, that have come up for you lately. And I think the challenge is when you really love someone is to not interfere with trying to make it better for that person, you know, and let them speak. You know, like stop trying to fix everything. Exactly. Stop trying to fix it but just to let the person speak cause they probably know themselves that it isn’t true and it’s not valid at this point in their lives, but they just feel it and it’s okay that they just feel it. Let it rip through them. So many. Got One more question for you before I get into that though. Maybe if you could just share one thing with the audience, if they’re kind of wanting to explore the work a little bit more or even more specifically your work a little bit more, whether it’s the leaded in academy online with the group, whether it’s your regular retreats, which are generally held either in northern New South Wales and then, you know, internationally we’re looking at doing places like Italy in Croatian, whatever in 2020 and 20, 21. Uh, or even coming to one of your workshops, if they’re looking at doing any of those or there something’s pipe, their interest, but they’re unsure, where can they start to explore the work? Sounds like too. Do you,
Guy: yeah. Well there’s, there’s a, there’s a, there’s obviously I’m a process. Um, I always encouraged one if they, if they’re not sure, like if you go back to my website, there’s actually when you click a button it’s like, do you want to dip your toe in or do you want to just go all in? And then depending on which one you pick will direct you to it. So, um, I would say start with, I have a free meditation that’s all about coming back to the heart space and practice that every day cause that we start to learn to tap into our emotional selves from that. And um, and this designed to actually, you do it anytime of day Bryan cars, people to do it when you at least want to do it. So you really start getting used to break in that, that stress response, that chemical dependency, your body has been created over the years. And I think it’s a beautiful, it’s very simple. If you haven’t got seven minutes, then you, I’m not ready to do the works, you know, keep doing what you do doing, you know, that it’s a way from there if they want to go further. Um, then obviously I’ve got the, the whole online space where we connect as a community. I’m literally running a four week program next week.
Lynda: It’s more about that cause I think that’d be a good, really, that’d be a great entry for people.
Guy: Yeah. And, and I, it’s, it’s almost, it’s, it’s like four weeks feels attainable and tangible and it’s designed to have weekly tasks and it’s a roadmap and you give them the meditations and you literally told what to do and that, and that’s the first step is done to learn. Uh, I got videos where I break it down and then we’ve got a closed forum. I don’t use Facebook groups anymore. I actually keep it all inside the membership and, uh, they, you know, people can ask me questions, it can connect and, and, and it’s designed to, to stretch people a little bit, but in a good way, you know, it’s done with love, you know? Um, and then from there, if they, if they like that, then they can continue on with the community where we do in the, the group healings and we’re doing the, Eh, working with energy centers and allowing people, like I said, to start tapping into that greater connection to source, which starts come through when you do group meditations, which is awesome.
Guy: Yeah. Yeah. We do group meditations, you know, is they’re normally weekly, but even if you can’t make the live this, this, there’s more than enough in there to keep you busy and connected. But it all leads then into the deeper work, which is three day retreats, which we currently like. You know, we’ve just sold up two of them in August, which is so exciting to see my own creation and vision come alive. You know, and I’m working with some, a phenomenal people, Matt Homo who works with sound and Petra Abrazo vets who works with energy, likely, just incredible human beings, beautiful people. Yeah. And, and this beautiful and, and you know, and I think people kind of know when they’re ready to step into that or if they, if they thinking about it then they generally are. And then we’re actually looking at creating a five day, a advanced follow up from the three days as well. So, and that’s going to be coming later. So there’s, I want to create, my dream was always to be able to create a roadmap for people. Um, and from all the different people I’ve sort of looked at. And learned from over the years, take the bits that resonated to me and actually try and simplify it cause I think we can make this stuff too complicated.
Lynda: Oh, a hundred percent a hundred percent and so when does this intake happen? The next online four week program.
Guy: Wow. When this, by the time this is live,
Lynda: which is, I’m going to push this up to next Monday so that, that we’ve found people get,
Guy: I have got very weak. Yeah. We all start July 29
Lynda: it’s July 29th so guys, police suss out guys a website for the information on the four week online program. I’ll pop all of that in the show notes. So if anything is piped, your interests go download the opt in like the, the seven seven yeah, the free meditation meditation. And then if you’re super keen then I can highly recommend the four week online program. And I’m not just saying it because it is my husband. Trust me, we didn’t do any of each other’s work if we don’t believe in it. Um, but my final question to you is, has there been a book or a movie that springs to mind that has had much impact in your life and why? Which one? Both. I just one either anyone that just sort of springs to mind.
Guy: The first book that spanked one was the alchemist. [inaudible] you’re going to say that I feel like I’ve asked you this question. It doesn’t matter. Just if you’re on Reddick on read it a second one because I think I have asked you that question before then. She may maybe think about a movie a two movie sprung to mind that I think one uh, one was the Shawshank redemption. I remember. Oh yes, I remember watching that many years ago. Just go on like, you know, talking about it never given up human spirit. They’re just just amazing. And it really made me grateful that, and then, uh, and the other, the other movie is, um, that did have a big impact and came back was a what the bleep, what the bleep do we know? When I came out, I remember I was living in a shared house with my good buddies, four of us in South Koji, me, Tim, Simon and Kim and we were and a, and Tim brought this bloody documentary, what the bleep do we know? It just came out and he’s like, we got to watch this. And I remember it really got me thinking and, and uh, if you haven’t seen it, it’s always the tech, the technology they use now is dated and everything. And uh, I think that was the first time I came across shorter spans as well back in that movie. But um, yeah, check it out because I thought they, they really grasped a great concept for me.
Lynda: And do yourself a favor, go and watch a Shawshank redemption. It’s amazing. I think I’ve watched that one multiple times in my lifetime. It’s awesome. Yeah. Well I just want to thank you for joining me on the love and guts podcast. I’m so very proud of what you put out there and how passionate you are about this work and how you impact people’s lives. We didn’t really get into any sort of case histories of the people that, um, have attended or are a part of your group. But people all only need to jump on your podcasts Guy Lawrence podcast to actually listened to some of the stories or some of the, the people that are within the group talking to you about their experiences. It’s all there for people to have listened to, but I’m very grateful for you in my life and I’m excited to see where we go. We’re led INGOs and, and everything. I’m really grateful to have you here today.
Guy: Alright, thank you. Thank you for having me. And um, I will add, just so the listeners hear this as well, you know, obviously we’ve been together for many years now and I get to watch you, your journey, you know, from where you’ve gone to where you are now and all the challenges and the difficulties and the things that you come to come up against on a daily basis. And I continue to lean in, learn and grow from it. And I know how much you care about everyone else that comes into your life too. So, uh, I’m very, very proud and very grateful as well where resilient,
Lynda: where can people find you before we get all teary eyed?
Guy: Uh, they can find me, um, just up and Byron Bay, but outside of that my website is GuyLawrence, which is LAWRENCE guylawrence.com.au and the podcast Guy Lawrence podcast. Yeah. Type it into this doing really well. Um,
Lynda: all in the show notes, people all in the show notes and now the lawnmower decides to stop.
Guy: These are very rough. That’s all right.
Lynda: Thanks for your patience everyone. And if you’ve enjoyed this conversation or you know someone that may want to begin the work or hear this conversation at all, please make sure that you do share it with them and while you’re at it, please leave a rating review on iTunes so that others can find love and guts easily and can enjoy this conversation that I had with my husband.
Guy: Beautiful guys. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with myself and Lynda today, and of course, if you want to find out what I’m up to, just come back to guylawrence.com.au. It’s all happening. Just take a step. Retreats, Let It In academy, one day workshops. Love to see you there and meet you. Find me in person. Anyway, have an awesome week and I’ll see you soon.