#220 Do you know that you have the power to create prosperity in all areas of your life, not just material? Prosperity is your divine right. You are here on this planet, at this time, with a divine right to create every single thing you desire. This is acknowledgement of the fact that you are a divine being having a human experience. Yet each one of us defines prosperity just a little bit differently. For some it’s defined as financial abundance and wealth. For others, prosperity begins with perfect health or freedom.
In this episode, I welcome award-winning and bestselling author Susan Shumsky to tell us how we can achieve “All-around” prosperity in life. Susan is also a foremost spirituality expert, pioneer in the self-development field, highly-acclaimed and greatly respected professional speaker, New Thought minister, and Doctor of Divinity. She is dedicated to helping people take command of their lives in highly effective, powerful, and positive ways.
Susan will share the amazing journey of spiritual enlightenment that she embarked on at a very young age and explain how listening to her intuition led her to her true purpose. She will also reveal to us how we can change deep-seated beliefs about prosperity so we can draw greater wealth into all areas of our lives: spiritual, emotional, physical, material, environmental, and planetary. I hope you enjoy and learn from this engaging interview. Thank you and happy listening!
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About Susan: Dr. Susan Shumsky, best-selling author of 20 books in English and 36 foreign editions, winner of 42 prestigious book awards, foremost spirituality expert, and highly-acclaimed greatly-respected professional speaker, has decades of experience as an educator in the consciousness field.
Her books include Divine Revelation, (in continuous print with Simon & Schuster since 1996), Miracle Prayer (Random House Penguin), Exploring Meditation, Ascension, Instant Healing, The Power of Auras, The Big Book of Chakras, Awaken Your Third Eye, Awaken Your Divine Intuition, Color Your Chakras, Third Eye Meditations, Earth Energy Meditations (Red Wheel/Weiser), Prosperity Meditations (Hampton Roads), The Inner Light (Permuted Press), and her memoir Maharishi & Me (Skyhorse).
For two decades, Susan studied in the Swiss Alps, the Himalayas, and around the world, under the direct guidance of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, guru of the Beatles and guru of Deepak Chopra. She served on Maharishi’s personal staff for six of those years.
Susan Shumsky, a Doctor of Divinity, has taught meditation, intuition, yoga, and spiritual enlightenment, as a true New Thought pioneer. She has done over 700 speaking engagements and over 1300 media appearances since her first book was published, including Alan Colmes on Fox News, “Coast-to-Coast-AM with George Noory,” Woman’s World, GQ, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, “Weird or What?” with William Shatner, and Cosmopolitan. She was featured in the films Three Magic Words, The Illumined Ones, Superpower: Ignite Your Divine Intelligence, The Beatles and India, and The Maharishi Archives.
Dr. Shumsky is the co-founder of Divine Revelation, a complete technology for contacting the divine presence and listening to the inner voice. She now travels extensively, facilitating spiritual seminars and tours to Mount Shasta, Sedona, the Tetons, India, Peru, Egypt, Bali, the Yucatan, and other sacred destinations, and she designs and produces spiritual conferences and holistic seminars-at-sea.
Key points with time stamp:
- Meditation For Prosperity, Money & Abundance Consciousness (00:00)
- Being an author and spiritual teacher and how she ended up with 42 book awards (00:33)
- The turbulent journey she went through desperately seeking Nirvana (03:01)
- Overcoming the challenges of integrating back into the world after taking a journey of spiritual enlightenment (09:48)
- How to live by the principles of spirituality (12:30)
- Achieving TRUE FREEDOM: Why she lives in an RV (13:40)
- Do you want to be prosperous? Then don’t push money away (15:07)
- Breaking away from your limiting money mindset and beliefs about life (19:31)
- Owning the power of our words through repetition (23:44)
- A powerful way that you can tap into your higher self (27:20)
- Understanding why there is diversity in wealth and how the collective consciousness is creating whatever is happening in the world today (34:30)
- Why you should take the time to find your true divine nature (42:00)
Mentioned in this episode:
- Prosperity Meditations By Susan Shumsky – www.amazon.com/Prosperity-Meditations-Everyday-Practices-Abundant/dp/1642970298
Please note, this is an automated transcript so it is not 100% accurate.
Beautiful. We’re recording Susan. Welcome to the podcast.
I’m thrilled to be here with you today, Guy.
I was literally looking on your website this morning as well, Susan, and it said something about 42 book awards. Is that correct? Yes. I thought that was incredible.
Yeah, I’ve written 20 books, uh, 36, 4 in editions and I have won 42 book awards. Yes .
Wow. Wow. Where, where does the passion for book writing come from? That’s quite a, an achievement
I never expected to be a writer. I was always an artist as a child, and I thought I would be an artist or a commercial artist, or even maybe a designer or dress designer or something like that. I had no intention of writing and then I ended up very late in my life, beginning to write. I only started writing in 1990.
Wow. Okay. I ask a question on the show to everyone. And that is, um, when, when starting a podcast, if, if you were having an intimate dinner with someone, a dinner party and you sat next to a stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, how would you answer that?
Well, I would say that I was an author, you know, and a spiritual teacher.
Yeah. Perfect. And do you get much of a response when they, when spiritual teacher comes out?
Uh, well, I wouldn’t just say that to anyone it would have to be a certain type of dinner party where there, whereas more spiritual people were at the party. If it was just a complete total stranger out of nowhere, I would just stop at author
Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. I cause researching you this week, Susan, I, I was looking at the vast array of topics and things you cover and you go very deep in, in some areas. And I’m always curious for somebody like yourself, where did your journey start with this, this work? Did you, did you grow up with a spiritual background? Had you always had an interest in this kind of work? What, what happened for you, Susan?
Nothing like that. I was a hippie. It was the 1960s and I was living in the San Francisco bay area. And so I was a flower child at that time. Uh that’s the kind of interest I had was, uh, an interest in the spiritual revolution that changed the world, but I certainly didn’t grow up in that kind of environment at all. I grew up in a very conservative environment. My father was a surgeon, so yeah, it was the hippie lifestyle that really brought me into the seeking spiritual seeking. We were all seeking Nirvana back then. It wasn’t just all about sex, drugs and rock and roll.
And what, so what happened, did you find Nirvana did or did you go down a completely different path? Did, did it meet your expectations, I guess, of what you were looking for?
Yeah. Okay. So, you know, at that time, our gurus were Timothy Larry and Richard Albert, who later became Ron do Ron dos. And they told us that we need to turn on tune in and drop out. So that’s what we were trying to do to reach Nirvana that way. They said that we could get it through LS D uh, that didn’t work out very well for me, that’s for sure. I actually ended up having a psychotic episode from taking L S D, but I amazingly, I continued to try it and other psychedelics cuz I was seeking so desperately seeking for Niana and uh, I was reading, also reading a lot of, uh, like Buddhist scriptures and I was reading autobiography of a Yogi by Parma Yonda and I was reach reading a Watts books, like the way of Zen and in his books, he said that he said that you need to find a meditation guide, uh, whoever would’ve heard of a meditation guide in the mid 20th century, no such thing.
So I asked a friend, uh, you know, how, how do I find this meditation guide? He said, have you ever tried to meditate on your own? So I said, okay, well, why not? I’ll give it a shot. so I laid on my bed. That’s that’s how clueless I was guy. I didn’t even know that you’re supposed to sit up when you meditate. I lay on my bed and sort of prayed for or ask for and meditation. And immediately I was propelled into this ecstatic state. I could feel a cord or rush of energy rushing from the tips of my toes all the way up to the top of my head. And I felt like I was plugged into a cosmic electric socket, but in a most ecstatic way. And I figured, oh, well I guess this is meditation I didn’t know any better little did I know that I had not only had my first meditation experience, but also Kini awakening all at the same time. And uh, you said that you had had a K awakening as well guy.
Mm. Yeah. So I can, I can certainly relate to that experience. And, and so on my, on my own journey, I’d kind of been leaning in towards that. So I was aware there was deeper aspects. It wasn’t like it was just a bolt or the blue, but E even still nothing could really prepare me for having an experience like that. And then I guess the question I had in my own journey was then, well, what do I do with that?
And what did you
Do with that
As an experienced selector?
Yeah, for me, I was just, it was just confirmation that yes, uh, meditation is possible. Meditation is a real thing and I wanna learn how to do it. Uh, I hadn’t taken any drugs when I had that experience, by the way, it was completely no drugs whatsoever in my system. But, uh, a friend took me to the transcendental meditation center and this was after I had begged him, you know, how do I , how do I find a meditation guide? How you know? And he took me to the center and I saw a picture of the guru on the wall who was mahi Miha Yogi, uh, who ended up becoming my mentor. As soon as I saw his photo in the meditation center, I immediately knew this is where, this is where I will learn real meditation. And I ended up writing a book, actually, mahi and me seeking enlightenment with the Beatles guru. That’s my memoir about, about my experience with him.
Incredible. So he was the, the guru to the Beatles as well. So when you see the, the famous photographs and things and yeah, amazing. What compelled you, did you just then jump on an airplane and fly to India? Is that what pretty
Much I tried right away. I, I, I started applying to go to their teacher training courses, which were held in Rishi cash India. And so I tried and I tried and I tried, you know, fourth times a charm. Finally they allowed me to go, they kept rejecting me cuz I was too, too young. They said, you can’t go until you’ve graduated college and you’re 24 years old or something. So I, but then a few years after I was trying and trying, trying mahi eventually allowed for the younger students to go. So when I was 22, when I went there or I became 22, oh, I was there in .
Wow. Incredible. And what having, cuz obviously I’ve never worked under a guru or been with a guru, um, at that capacity. What did an experience like that teach you over time?
I certainly learned how to meditate for sure. I had a lot of experience with meditation and I also ended up being on his personal staff for six years. So being on his staff was an amazing experience of that kind of intimate relationship with him of be of working for him, uh, on a daily basis and being part of his, uh, inner circle, so to speak. So that was incredibly intense, emotional rollercoaster day in, day out, uh, extremely difficult. Uh, it was a lesson learning about, well, I call it open ego surgery. It is traditional in India for a guru to pretty much destroy the ego of his disciples so that God may enter. I know that doesn’t, that would sound terrible to a westerner. They think, oh, well that’s just abuse, you know, but it’s traditional. It’s an, he’s a very traditional Indian guru and root. And now the millions of people actually, he trained 40,000 teachers who taught 6 million people, transcendental meditation during his lifetime. He achieved all of that. Wow. Those people who meditate twice a day, they don’t have any experience of guru disciple relationship or anything remotely similar to that. They’re just meditating, you know, twice a day. But when you are in his inner circle, you find out that he is extremely traditional Hindu, Orthodox guru.
I’m, I’m just trying to think how I can frame this question, cuz I’m always curious around this work because when you go and do something like that and I, and I’m, and you did it for a long time, how do we then bring that into the world in our daily life and live from this live live from these principles? Because I, I, I can’t help get the feeling. Um, here in Australia with people, we, we, we can use this kind of work to run away from our problems as opposed to work through them. And I’m just interested of how you integrate and what that life looks like now for you after all that kind of experiences.
Well, that was a very long time ago that I left the Ahan was 1989. Um, and actually leaving, uh, leaving Europe where I was on his international staff. That was 1976. So it was a really long time ago. I’ve had plenty of time to be out in the world. However, when I first, uh, when I first left the inner circle in 1976, it was devastating and horrific to try to integrate back into the world. It was an extremely challenging experience, very difficult. And uh, but eventually I was able to find some certain methods and another meditation method and something that I teach now in my books, which is not transcendental meditations and these, uh, methods and techniques that I learned really helped me to bring spirituality into the physical realm, into the physical world and with, with the ashram life. It was, you know, , it was really way out of the world. I mean completely devoid of the physical plane, basically. Yeah. But it’s but with the methods that I’ve been using and teaching that has integrated spirituality into everyday life, even with prosperity, you know, prosperity, my latest book, prosperity meditations. Yeah.
Which everyday practices to create an abundant life,
Which I’d love to dive into in a moment as well. For sure. And so if you were to distill the principle littles of spirituality then, and, and living by them for you, what does that look like? These days?
For me, it’s staying in the center of being with the divine presence throughout all activity. Not just when you’re, you know, in somebody with eyes closed, you know, but really living in the world, but not being of the world really right. Living the truth of being moment by moment, day by day, uh, as much as possible and, and to stay centered, to not be distracted by all the negative energies around you, how to overcome negative energies, how to lift yourself out of that, uh, without running to a cave, I mean, , you can still live in the world and experience the truth of your being
The, I gotta, I gotta ask you as well, before we dive into your book, Susan, is that you’re living in an RV and you’re, and when I ask you is that you were kind of like, I’m not sure where I am right now. Let me think about that, which I thought, wow, that’s, that’s true. Freedom right there. What, what inspired to do to live like that?
Well, at first, when I started living in an RV, which was basically in, I I’ve lived in an RV, a trailer or a van since 1989. And when I started it, it was because I wanted to travel around the country and teach. So it was a way for me to travel around, go to a lot of places, not have to stay in hotel rooms, travel and teach, travel, and go to, to various conferences, expos, whatever, throughout the country. So it was really a matter of practicality. I think back then, when I first started doing it, but I sort of liked it. And so I continued doing it even when I wasn’t running around, um, so much traveling for all different places.
yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, no, there’s, there’s definitely sounds a, a freedom to, to that when I think about that and what you’re doing. It’s fantastic. So with, with your book prosperity meditations, that you’ve, you’ve just written recently, I’m curious to know, why did you decide to write the book on prosperity and, and including money? Because quite often you don’t hear about these conversations in, uh, I guess the spiritual talk or right realm that we, we move in.
You know, uh, probably the vast majority of my books were written because my publisher asked me to write the books. They gave me the topic and I wrote the books. This happened to be one of them, but I’m so glad that I did write the book prosperity meditations because then what I could do was show people that in fact, uh, meditation and, uh, integration and wholeness and oneness, that’s where true prosperity is prosperity is the experience of happiness experience of fullness, experience of wholeness, your experience of being replete. And that is what prosperity consciousness is. And that is a way to live an abundant life, not just money, but also family health, love, relationships, home, uh, all areas of life, uh, abundance in all areas of life.
But money is such a critical part of our life. Or at least it perceived Western thinking anyway, because we require it, uh, to some capacity, to, to allow us to live the life that we want. But yet we have so many, um, beliefs and conditions around it and thoughts and, um, um, why do you think that is? And what do you think we should, how we should be seeing, seeing it?
Unfortunately, we have been brainwashed to believe the money is evil. Money’s the root of all evil. Uh, it’s harder for a camel to go through the Ivan needle than for a wealthy person to reach the kingdom of God. All of these ideas that we’ve been brainwashed to believe they just aren’t true. And spiritual people believe that wealthy people cannot be spiritual. And that, of course, spiritual people must be poor. And if you are spiritual and you’re poor, then you’re better. You’re superior to these horrible rich people. And so , you know, there’s a lot of this kind of ideas that are completely erroneous that we have about money. And the reality is that money goes where it’s welcomed and it stays where it’s well treated. So if you welcome money into your life, instead of pushing it away, like most spiritual people do, they hate money, they’re pushing it away.
Then you’ll never be prosperous, monetarily prosperous if you push it away. So it’s important for, I mean, in my book, prosperity meditations, I have many, many different methods, including guided meditation, affirmation, prayer, mantras, and also activities that you can do to draw abundance into your life on all levels. And for example, one of the money mantras you might say is I love money and money loves me. It stays with me always, you know, I love money and money loves me. I mean, the idea of welcoming wealth is a way to draw wealth into your life. I promise you if you push it away, you’re not gonna have it.
Absolutely. But we’re also then scared to part with it. And we, we kind of hold onto what, what we have.
Yeah. Well, there’s something called the law of circulation. The law of circulation is that if you, uh, circulate assets, money, wealth, it comes back. It comes around, you know? So it’s a kind of a cycle circulation of money. Wow. Wealth circulation.
Do you, where, where would, where would one start then? I, if let’s say, um, somebody now listening to this is, has challenges with money. You know, they, they look at, they wanna, they want to have to work on themselves, they’re body because normally, quite often I’ve found in the health industry for a long time. We, the last thing we do is treat ourselves well, honestly, and you know, we get caught up in distress, paying the bills, doing the job and, and, and then when it comes to, well, why don’t you start looking at, at your health and looking at, oh, it’s expensive. I don’t, I can’t afford that yet. I don’t want to do that yet. I’ve got I’ve nobody understands my position. You know, we get caught up in all these, um, beliefs and stories. How do we then begin to break that cycle initially? Like where would you start with someone? If that was the case?
Yeah, you have to start somewhere. Mm-hmm if you wanna change, you’ve gotta start somewhere. So that’s the reason why, uh, affirmations are very, very powerful for changing our beliefs because our beliefs are creating our reality. Uh, it is done unto, unto you, as you believe, as Jesus said, and as Buddha said, all that we are is the result of what we have thought. So we are creating our own destiny moment by moment, day by day, through every thought, every word and every deed, we are writing our own script of our own life. We are a hundred percent responsible for creating the circumstances that we are in. And that’s the good news, because that means we can change our circumstances through changing our thoughts, words, and deeds. Now it’s not that easy to change the random thoughts that are flowing through our minds, but it’s very easy to begin to notice and change what’s coming out of our mouth.
Uh, Jesus, what said once said, we are not defiled by Bo by what we put into our mouth. We are defiled by what comes out of our mouth. So we are creating our destiny, not only through the thoughts, but also words indeed up Buddha said, um, he said, although we are as a result of what we have thought, and then he goes on to say, if a person speaks or acts with a pure thought, then happiness follows him or her. If a person speaks or acts with an impure thought, then unhappiness follows him or her. It’s not just thoughts. It’s words. Very, very important. Especially when we use the words I am. If you’re going to say the words, I am, you better say something after that, something that you want to own, not something that you don’t wanna own. So if you’re saying I am unhappy, I am sad.
I am poor. I am overweight. I am miserable. If you invoke the mighty, I am presence by saying the words I am, then you wanna say, I am light. I am love. I am powerful. I am happy. I am the perfect size and weight. I am wealthy. I am healthy. I am strong. I am in control. When we say these power phrases, we say these power statements. Then we live a powerful life. Then we consciously taking command over our destiny. So I say, if you wanna start somewhere, start with affirmation, start with this affirmation. For example, I am in control. I am the only authority in my life. I am divinely protected by the light of my being. I close off my aura and body of light to the lower astrol levels of mind. And I open to the spiritual world. Thank you God. And so it is, if you say that affirmation every day, your life will change.
Does it with a, with an affirmation like that, which when you say it is powerful, I’m, I’m sitting here going, wow, you, you really mean that and feel it, you know, , it would be, I guess, challenging for someone to say that and believe it at first, especially if they’re, if all they know is poverty or, or, or challenges with that. So is it through the repetition that we then start to really own the power of our word?
Right? Repetition is a way to overcome the unconscious beliefs that are, that are really creating our destiny. It’s not our conscious mind that creates our destiny. It’s our unconscious mind. It is done unto you, as you believe means it is done unto, unto you as your subconscious mind believes. So, uh, yeah, that’s one thing. Uh, another thing is to speak. When you speak in affirmation, say it with power, say it with authority, say it with confidence, say it with conviction and say it as though your higher self is speaking through you, not your ego self saying the affirmation, but your higher self is saying it through you just pretend, you know, it’s not complicated. Just pretend .
And I’ve, I’ve gotta ask the, the question, Susan, and just for people listening to this, just to get clarity, how would you describe the higher self?
Yeah. So our higher self is our beingness without all the trappings of who we think we are, there’s who we really are. And there’s who we think we are. So who we think we are is this body, which lives X number of years, with all its frailties. This mind, this ego, this family, this bank account, this history, this, uh, profession, all the things by which we identify ourselves, that’s who we think we are, but who we really are, is beyond all of these things who we really are, is UN an unlimited being filled with light, filled with joy, filled with freedom, filled with happiness and wholeness beyond these relative states of duality that we live in. That’s who we really are. Mm-hmm
yeah, no, I can, I can certainly relate to that. Then if we want to really start to tap, really start to tap into the ever present higher selves that’s there, but we are always so caught up in the minded ego, and we want to come back to that. And what, you know, you know, one of the, the things I find, um, even working with people here is a lot of people don’t even know what they want. So they stay complaining about what they don’t have yet. But when you ask them to become clear on what does it want, it becomes a struggle. And I think that’s half the battle and why we keep defaulting back to the old mechanisms that keep us where we are. What, what do you suggest then to help people start to go? You know what I want to think unlimited. I want to be prosperous in these areas and I, and this is how I get clarity.
Yeah. So I, I recommend meditation. Meditation is a powerful way for us to experience our higher self, first of all, to have the direct experience of it. And then to integrate that into our awareness, our waking life. So, um, I suggest guided meditation and several of my books that you see behind me, actually, the three books that you’re seeing right now behind me are filled with guided meditations, affirmations, mantras, and so on. But guided meditation is the easiest way, especially for people who say, oh, I can’t meditate. Oh, that’s impossible. Mm-hmm , uh, anyone could do my guided meditation because all you need to do is just follow the instructions. That’s what guided meditation is. So what I suggest is that you find a meditation in, uh, the book prosperity meditations, or in one of my other books, find a meditation that you wanna practice.
And then just read it audibly onto a device, such as a computer, and then sit down comfortably. It’s really important to be comfortable if you wanna meditate, sit comfortably and then simply, uh, turn on the playback and close your eyes and go, just follow the instructions. It’ll take you step by step moment by moment into the deep meditative state. So that meditative state will help you to experience that unbounded unlimited awareness. And in that state of consciousness, you can experience who you truly are. And, uh, that is your higher self, but you also mentioned something about trying to find out, you know, what your purpose is so that you’ll know what to focus on to manifest in your everyday life. So I believe that it’s really important for people who are working with manifestation, that before they ever try to make a laundry list of things that they want to have in their life or that they want to achieve in their life before they do that, I think the first step for them is to, uh, ask spirit, ask, ask the dity of your God of your understanding, uh, ask your higher self, whatever, whatever you believe in, whether it’s a higher self or whether it’s a D T or ask, you know, what is wise for me to do in the first place, if we don’t know what is highest wisdom for us, if we don’t know what our mission is, then how can we then make the proper laundry list of things that we want to, uh, accomplish?
Yeah. Or shopping list, I guess, is more accurate. So
How, how do you then, and I’m, I’m just asking Chris, cause I, I know the challenges that come up for people listening to this and is if we ask and we’re asking something, like you say, divinity source, energy, DD, whatever that might look like for us, how do you then determine what is coming through? Because we, again, people confuse themselves. Was that a message? Was, should I be hearing that? Or was that just me? Was that my thoughts? Am I making this shit up? Yeah. You know, there’s so there’s multiple
Ways. That’s a very important question. Mm. Very, very important question. Because there’s four different places. You might be receiving your messages from the spiritual world, the mental world, the Astro world, or the environmental world. And we wanna be receiving messages only from the spiritual world. That’s where we wanna get our messages, because then we are receiving clear inner guidance. We’re receiving clear messages from the still small voice within. So one of my books, which is called, um, awaken your divine intuition. This is the book where I have a 10 test system, a test 10 tests. So you can distinguish and discern between that true voice of spirit and other voices in your mind, how to test whether the messages are the real thing. And it’s very important to learn how to do that. If you’re going to be starting to have conversations with your higher self and start to receive guidance from spirit guidance, from the inner divinity, it’s really important that you recognize, you know, who am I talking to?
Who or what is giving me this message.
Yeah. See. So just to break those three, the other three down, cause obviously spirit, we said we wanted the message to come through. You mentioned obviously the mind, the mental, the, the, if it’s just how thought’s going crazy, then you mentioned the Astro mm-hmm um, how would you explain the Astral to someone? What,
So my definition of the Astro plane, you know, everybody’s got their own definition. these are semantics. Uh, what I’m speaking of when I speak of the Astro plane is I’m speaking of a sort of gray player place, like limbo kind of place where souls don’t go into the light after death, you know, cuz most souls after they die, they go right into the light and they go into the heaven, whatever you wanna call it, heavenly realm, spiritual realm, they meet a divine being. They go into the divine light. Uh, at least people who’ve had near death experiences. That’s what they report, uh, happens after they leave their body. But there are some souls who, for one reason or another, don’t go into that light after death, they get St stuck or stranded. Uh, these are called earthbound spirits. Uh, they may be just souls who are confused and lost. Uh, there’s also other beings who live in the Astro world. They may be mischievous. They may be malevolent. There’s all kinds of beings that we don’t wanna communicate with.
Yeah. And then the last PLA,
But about, sorry, of course it, it, it would be, I’m sorry. Uh, it would be safe though, for us to communicate, for example, with our deceased relatives, somebody who’s in the light, who’s gone into the light. Yeah. And they wouldn’t be in the Astro plane anyway, they’d be in the light, they’d be in the spiritual world.
And then the last place of course you’ve mentioned was physical. So that’s where the mixed messagings could be coming from.
Well, the environmental, you know, um, that’s, you know, like peer pressure, the collective beliefs of humanity, uh, false beliefs, such as money is the root of all evil. That would be a perfect example of the collective belief system or BS, whatever you wanna call it.
Yeah. Okay. And then by having a, obviously a meditation practice and actually starting applying the skills, we, we start to transcend that and connect the source spirit. And we understand when we are there and when we are not and how to differentiate, would that be fair to say
That’s very fair to say. Yes.
Yeah. When just this last question on, on money, um, why, why then do we, because there’s, so there’s such, um, like, uh, what’s the word I’m looking for? Like diversity in, in wealth, you know, there’s some people that like are born into money. It’s like they’ve only ever known wealth. And then there’s people that are born into poverty or struggle and some people become wealthy. And, and why do you think that is?
Okay. Well, a lot of things make a lot of sense if you believe in reincarnation. So, uh, the beliefs that we have are not just from our womb onwards, the womb that we were born into onwards, the beliefs that we have are from this life and from all past lives. So we are, you know, it, it is done into you as you believe, you know, uh, although we are as a result of what we have thought, that’s what Buddhist says. And all the spiritual teachers throughout the ages have told us this, all that we are is the result of what we have thought. So if we believe that we deserve to have a lot of money, or if we believe that we need to have a lot of money, then we will. It’s all based about on the, what you place attention on grows stronger in your life. That’s the law of increase the law of increased states, that what you put your attention on and intention towards go grows stronger in your life. So if you’re focused on gaining wealth and making money, then that’s exactly what you’re going to get. Hmm. And if that belief carries on from one lifetime to the next lifetime, then you will be born into riches.
Interesting. You’ve been doing this work a long time, and I’m sure you would’ve seen many changes through this time. And especially the last few years, there’s, there’s been a, a, a real struggle, you know, within humanity and the world. And we’ve seen a lot of opinions and division, and are you optimistic in the direction we are going? Do we need to be having these struggles to reveal a greater aspect of ourself? What, what are your thoughts on all of what’s happening at the moment?
Yeah, well, we create our own destiny individually and we also create our, our own destiny collectively. So the collective consciousness is creating what’s happening in the world at this time. And so we are, we are creating this and that’s why it’s happening. uh, is really pretty simple. We have an individual will, and we have the will of the collective, which determines what happens to individuals and what, what happens to humanity. Um, I believe that’s a world is going in a more positive direction, which is hard for us to see simply because of what’s going on in the Ukraine at the moment. So it’s difficult for us to envision a world at peace when we are seeing mass slaughter of a population, which is horrific, but in general, uh, if you look very carefully at the statistics from the 20th century on, in, into right now as a dramatic drop in war and in deaths, uh, related to war, uh, that’s says statistics. I mean, there were a hundred million people that were killed in world war I and world war II. And, you know, and there were a lot less people in the world back then than there are now so, uh, percentage wise, much huger percentage of people dying in war back in the 20th century, then in the 21st century,
Are you optimistic of the future as opposed to more people?
Yes. I mean, yeah. I mean, that was what I was trying to say was I am optimistic because I see the statistics that we’re going in the direction of greater harmony, uh, what we see, we see yoga studios on every corner. We see people paying attention to health, being very interested in, for example, organic foods and, uh, people more and more interested in the climate, you know, um, dealing with climate change and more solar and other types of energy, alternate energy, wind, energy, solar energy, these things make me optimistic when I see that people are more interested in the environment and more interested in health.
Beautiful. Um, just a quick question, before we start to wrap things up, Susan one is, um, I guess, you know, with all your wisdom that you have and, and how you live your life. Now, I’m curious to know how, what is, do you have a morning routine or a particular routine that you do these days?
No, I don’t have a routine, uh, but I do meditate. I enjoy meditation and I enjoy affirmation. So I, I do the things that I teach in my books. do the meditation and I speak with spirit. I have conversations with that still small voice on a daily basis. And, and actually since the 19, somewhere in the mid 1980s, I made a decision. And the decision that I made was that I would do my best to be led by spirit on an everyday basis. In other words, that I would listen to the inner voice and do my best to follow its guidance, which by the way is not easy to do, but I do my best. I try my best to, I don’t wanna say, try, I do my best to follow the inner guidance that I receive. And when I do that, miracles take place all over my life. So I have a lot of incentive to listen to that inner voice because good things happen when I do.
Beautiful. And I I’m guessing with the freedom of an RV that you can kind of keep going with that a lot simpler.
Well, yeah. I mean, one nice thing about living in an RV is that you can’t really accumulate a lot of things. , there’s no space for anything to be accumulated.
Yeah. That’s not a bad thing. Is it? We’re, we’re in actually in the middle of moving at the moment. And, um, and we, we like to think that we, we don’t keep a lot, but we, we are surprised of how much we’ve accumulated in the last three years of living year. We’re like, oh my God, there’s actually a lot of stuff here. You just don’t realize. So , I can certainly appreciate what you say in Susan. Um, last question is with everything we’ve covered on the show today, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?
Well, you know, since you’ve been born into a human body, that’s a tremendous opportunity because other species, other beings do not have the ability to realize their true divine nature and to attain spiritual enlightenment. So my recommendation is that you take the time now that you have a human body, take the time to find out about how you can, um, realize who you really are, realize your true divine nature and attain higher consciousness.
Beautiful. And if people wanna grab a copy of your book, prosperity meditations, or any of your other books for that matter, where would be the best place for them to go to Susan?
Well, anywhere the books are sold, you can get my books anywhere. The books are sold. I recommend that you get them from a local bookstore. Uh, simply because at this time I think it’s important that we, um, that we support our local businesses. So you can look at a, there’s a website called IndieBound, for example, where you can purchase books from local bookstores. So I recommend that, but obviously all my books are on Amazon and they’re on target and they’re on Barnes and noble and all those types of places that people purchase books.
Fantastic. I’ll have links to your websites below as well. And, um, what, what’s your website, Susan, if you could say it out loud for everyone.
Yeah. Dr. susan.org, Dr. susan.org is one of my websites. And then I have another one, which is divine travels.com. That’s D VI, N E T R a V E L s.com. That’s plural on the travels.com. And there you can find out about my tours to sacred destinations and my conferences at sea. I do spiritual conferences at sea.
I noticed that they look great I did, uh, yeah, welcome. Well, all the links have been the shown us for everyone and Susan, I just wanna thank you for coming on the podcast today and sharing your time and, uh, really appreciate everything that you’re doing. And I have no doubt anyone that’s listening right now. Would’ve gained a lot to, and I’m sure they’ll be, um, checking up more of your work. So thank you Susan much. Appreciate it.
And thank you, Guy. Thanks for inviting me. I really enjoyed speaking with you today.