#118 My awesome guest this week is film director, producer and screenwriter, Bill Bennett. (You can listen to my previous interview with Bill here.)
Bill has been filming a new documentary over the past 12 months called ‘Facing Fear’, which he has interviewed 32 experts on this topic.
I was keen to invite Bill onto the show so he could share his discoveries, and how we can make empowered choices in these challenging times. Enjoy!
- Bill has already spent nearly a year filming, largely in the US. He has done 32 interviews including Dr Joe Dispenza, Dr. Bruce Lipton, Dr Lissa Rankin, James Van Praagh, Paul Selig, a Harvard professor, a combat veteran, a woman who was raped at gunpoint etc.
- What is fear and what is its purpose
- The difference between real fear and imaginary fear
- The 5 “f’s” of fear – Feel it, Find it, Face it, Friend it, Free it.
- Facing your fear is the key to managing your fear.
- What’s to fear with the coronavirus?
- How can we best deal with our fears associated with this crisis?
- Managing fear by managing your body’s reaction to the fear
- “What’s the worst that can happen” method of dealing with fear
- The positives that will come from this
About Bill: Bill Bennett is an Australian film director, producer and screenwriter.
He dropped out of Medicine at the University of Queensland in 1972 and joined the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a journalist. During a ten-year career as a journalist he won Australia’s top TV award, the Logie Awards (Australia’s Emmy) for Television Reporter of the Year, and then later for Most Outstanding Documentary. This led him to feature films.
Bennett has directed 16 feature films since 1983.
Guy: Hi, my name is Guy Lawrence. And thanks for tuning into my podcast today. If you’re enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this transformational work, be sure to come back to guylawrence.com.au and join me as we go further down the rabbit hole. Enjoy the show.
Guy: Live, I think we’re actually on Facebook live.
Guy: Fantastic. Yes, I’ve just checked, been noting on Facebook and I can now see that it’s, we are streaming live beautiful. And, I just want to say for anyone that sees this Facebook live, skipping through their newsfeed for the next, over the whenever, there’s a bunch of links below this interview, cause this will be put into a podcast format over the next few days. So I appreciate, the social media can be quite transient. Um, but uh, and for those that don’t know me, my name is guy Lawrence and I have a regular podcast every week. And over the weekend I, um, definitely had the, um, the feeling and need to invite Bill Bennett onto my podcast show. And I wanted to do something a little bit different and actually stream it live today. And, this awesome gentleman, uh, certainly agreed to come on. So it’s an honor and a privilege to have you on my podcast that they Bill, so thank you for coming back on my show, man.
Bill: That’s sweet of you, Guy. Thank you. It’s lovely to be back.
Guy: You know, and with I guess all this uncertainty at the moment with, with everything that’s been happening around the world, um, I just felt a strong urge to ask you to come on because you’ve obviously been delving into the topic of fear over the last 12 months while you’re currently making your new movie. And, and it just resonated so much. I, thought, Hoping a better person to come on and actually share some of their discoveries so we can have a grounded level conversation around fear and actually how we can empower ourselves in these uncertain times. So I think that’d be a great place to start. Bill. Um, how has the last 12 months been? Few. And what have you been doing and what have you discovered?
Bill: Well, crying, it’s, um, it’s been quite amazing, Guy. Because, you know, when I set off, of course, I never ever thought that something like this would happen. I’m always interested in looking at fear because, my film, you know, an intuition code PGS. And one of the things that I learned from that film was that one of the biggest blockages to intuition is fear and want to start to think about that. I feel what, what is fear and how does it work and how can we manage it because it’s such an old pervading emotion or a feeling or what it is. But, um, and so that set me off and that, so for the last 12 months, I’ve been really going Nick and boards to go America and to other places to interview experts on fear, included. I mean, I just think that some of the people, Oh, I just recently came back from America where I interviewed Dr. Joe Dispenza.
Bill: Uh, Dr. Bruce Lipton, Carolyn Mays, who’ll be in the film. Um, but some, some extraordinary interviews. Um, but James van Praagh, dr Lisa Rankin, who’s written a book called the fear cure, um, she’s very, very popular, um, extraordinary lady named Austin Wells, definitely posting foster games. He did the tribe moon. And I’ve got now over 30 interviews and probably about 50 hours of material. And, but it was really funny, you know, when I sat down to do the interview with Joe Dispenza and I mentioned to him that I’d done 30 interviews and while I always say the interview and the, it’s putting the mic on and so forth, he said, well, what have you learned? And I sat back and I went cracking. What have I learned? Because it’s such a, it’s such a complex thing. Um, and it wasn’t easy to sort of say, to say to Joe, I’m not allowed to crunch.
Bill: Oh, by the way, now, uh, say to him, um, exactly what I’ve done. But one of the things that I have those, this and that is that there is real fear and there was imagined fear and real fear and survival fear. And it happens to the body. Imagine fear is a history fear. And it had inhabits the mind. And one of the things that both go to spends in Bruce Lipton talk about is the fact that we, uh, incapable of separating our bodies aren’t capable of separating what is real and what’s imagined fear. Um, so that, that was one of the really big takeouts I’ve got from you guys. I’ve done so, uh,
Guy: yeah, and I think that’s the key isn’t it? Is if we don’t actually know the difference between real fear and perceived fear in any given moment in any given time, then that’s for me is a great place to start looking and actually start to get a bring a level of approach into, into the topic is fear feels like fear no matter how big the trauma is outside or, or what is actually going on, the body receives it the same way.
Bill: Well, exactly. That’s what Bruce Lipton is really on about. He says that by chemically you body kind of differentiate between real fear and imagine fear, wake up in the middle of the night and you worry about your finances. That, that really is, imagine if your body can’t of distinguished that, distinguish that from the fear that you might, might, um, feel when you drink them to frame it. If somebody comes into that bedroom at night, puts a gun to your head, that’s fine with fear, you know, so the body body can’t differentiate and speak chemically. It reacts to that fear in the fight or flight way that evolution abolition wise, we’ve been geared to react. Okay. So when you were an appellation, feeding was important. Mourning and response system to very direct real fear. In other words, it’s going to jump out of a cave and any [inaudible].
Bill: And so what happens is the body reacts with adrenal, how the chemical and to give you the capacity to run away or to attack your attacker. But when we’ve got imagined fear, those same chemicals, uh, running around your body, but you’re not falling off a saber tooth tiger or T-Rex or something like that. Uh, and that’s where the damage goes. That’s where the biological damage cause because the thing is, we hold that imagined theory for a long, long time. Please response to real thing was, I never meant to be short lit. In other words, we were only ever programmed to have a fear response. It was very short, short lasting on the assumption that we would OD the runaway from the threat or get consumed by the threat. So what’s happening now is that our buddies, I’m living with this fear day in, day out, and that’s what’s causing so much stifled.
Guy: Yeah. Do you think if we are conditioning ourselves to live with more fear in our lives on a daily basis in society, that we then tend to continue to look for fear in our lives on a daily basis? So we continue to sort of stay in those States from a biological perspective? Anyone talk to them?
Bill: Yeah. Bruce Lipton, Bruce Lipton talks about that. And so to try to spend her, um, [inaudible] and one of the things that I put to a lot of the people that I interviewed is, um, do we attract what we fear the most? Um, and it’s a very, very interesting concept. And the overwhelming response I got from only interview that I did was that yes we do, we bring forward in the same way that the spiritual law of attraction can bring us, you know, bountiful things. It also works with them. If we put the intention out there to be afraid of something, we’re going to bring that to us. Um, I’m not gonna say that, that, that then has quite devastating effects on us from a health point of view.
Guy: Totally. So with the current, um, crisis that’s going on with the Corona virus right now, and obviously there’s a, um, a lot of fear happening in this moment, um, w what have, what have you learned from this so far from the last 12 months and then obviously there’s a, there’s a bigger thing that’s going on right now. Um, but as an individual we still have to deal with something that’s beyond our control in this moment. So your relationship with fear from your learnings, how have you been bringing that into these times like this when we need it most? When we feel most,
Bill: well, that’s a really, really good question guy. Um, and I’m not, it’s such a sort of a multiple response.
Guy: Totally. I know, I know.
Bill: That’s, um, let me just start off by saying, um, the first thing you’ve got to do is you’ve got to identify your fear. You, you’ve got to, I’ve put it as the five, the five F’s of fear. You’ve got to feel it. You’ve got to find it, you’ve got to face it, you’ve got a friend it, and then you’ve got to free it. So the first thing you, first thing you’ve got to do is you’ve got to find, find exactly what your fear is and that that requires some level of self analysis. And then you’ve got to face it. So in other words, there’s no point putting your head in the sand and saying it’s going to go away cause the fear will stay with you. You’ve actually got to confront your fear and you go to, you’ve got to find it. You’ve got to see exactly what it is.
Bill: I’m afraid that I’m going to go broke. Uh, I’m afraid of dying. I’m afraid that my mother’s going to die. Then what you’ve got to do is you, you’ve got to go back to your real fear versus imagined fear and you’ve got to determine whether it is a very real fear or whether it’s an imagined pain. And that once again requires a fair level of sort of, um, very, very truthful sort of self analysis because a lot of the fear that you do hold, you will find if you dig right back is at least rate. To give you an example, um,
Bill: you know, a lot of people are scared of getting sick with the kind of virus. Well, there’s a very real chance that they will get sick, but there’s also a very real chance that their sickness will be mild and then it will pass mercifully quickly and not come at, come out of it on Skype. Key to this is having inflammation, what I call, Oh, what I call ’em. I ran up, I wrote a blog yesterday. Oh, and by the way, Facebook is starting to sense to me. I wrote a blog yesterday called we are at war and I got a Facebook message today saying we’re taking this down because inappropriate content. And then I got a Facebook message saying, Hey, posted, I put up from Bloomberg, bloomberg.com um, was inappropriate comment. I, all I did was repost, repost the story. And the story said that woo hand doctors are telling the rest of the world what they’re doing wrong.
Guy: So I, Facebook has done to send to me and this is really worrying. We can get onto this later on as to what the longer term ramifications and as far as they’re doing, you know, in a geopolitical sense. But um, but getting back to this thing about, about finding, facing your fear, fear of dying. That’s one of the things that I asked only interviewees when I was going for the last 12 months. I asked him about what is the greatest fear that people hold? And one of my greatest fears is of course, fear of time. And that’s what this virus is really asking us to look at very, very, very, very closely. How do we feel about death? How do we feel about dying? How do we feel about one of the people that we love, our children or our grandparents or our friends dying? It’s really confronting.
Bill: Okay, so the next one is, and this is the really interesting one, and this is a result of a long interview with professor rich Schwartz. Professor Richard Schwartz is one of the world’s top psychologists, is a adjunct professor at Harvard, but he’s developed a assistant called the internal battery systems dealing with trauma. And if people want to Google him, he’s the most extraordinary man. But one of the things he says as part of this internal family systems process is that you’ve got to be friend, your fear. Now, when I spoke to him in the interview about this, this was really confusing thought to me. How can you be friend theory? But what he says is that is that you’ve got to, you’ve actually got to look at your fear as being something, I mean, he says you’ve got to personalize it. You got to dress it up in clothes and give it a name and you know, and, and each fear is different.
Bill: I need food, we’ll have different clothes and different names. Um, and we have multiple fears of course. But what he says is that as you be friend, your fear, you get to know it and you become familiar with it and you feel it becomes familiar with you. And in that process it loses its sting. It loses potency. And um, and you said you’ve got to understand that you fear is there for a purpose. It’s there to warn you. It’s there to guide. Here it is the end. It is actually there to help you. And when you start to look at fear in that way, you know that it’s not something that’s trying to shut you down, but something that in fact is trying to help you, you know, then you can start to make plans to get you out of the situation. Just think though, isn’t
Bill: it? Is, it actually takes me back to a moment, literally about two months ago because I’m fearful of spiders and, and with everything I teach and what I do and, and you know, um, the looking at the autonomic nervous system and actually trying to bypass that because we have these automated fearful responses. We had the spider, uh, just wandering to our living room one evening and it’s about the size of my hand. This Huntsman and you know, you either run, you either freeze or, well, I froze in that fear response, you know, and um, and we couldn’t catch it and they run off and managed to get into the cupboards next door in our spare room. We keep a lot of our clothes and I knew he was in there and we work from there and I’m just like, Oh dear, we’ve got the spider.
Bill: So what we decided to do, we actually started to confront it and say, we have a pet spider. We actually named him Bruce. And, and the moment we started to do that, and so the lean into it, it really did soften the whole relationship with this spider. And, and I was accepting that he was in here and I was thinking, Bruce is in you. That’s okay. He’s not gonna, you know? And then I was actually looking at the very realism of what it was and bypassing my emotions. And then Bruce finally showed himself about a week later, right in front of me and I was able to get the Tupperware, pick him up. I did, I wasn’t brave enough to use my hands. And then I released him outside and I gave him a blessing and I said, here you go, Bruce, as you go. And uh, and it was, it’s a really important lesson for me.
Bill: I’ve got to say, the way you handle that whole situation with, with Bruce really is a perfect way that people can handle fear. Um, and you talked about leaning into it. That’s one of the things that came through in the interviews that I did. And I said, well, you know, I shouldn’t be trying to rid ourselves and fear. Should we try and get rid of fear altogether and the responses I got back. But no, you can’t. And it’s not helpful to do that anyway. I mean, you’ve got to, and this, they use this term, lean into it and work with it and use it and see it as something, as something that you say at a benefit here. And in the same way that you did with them, with a spider, with, with Bruce. I mean you can take it the next step and go, well Bruce has got a life, he’s got a feed. You know, he’s got to have insects or little, little things. I mean you and I both know it’s an imagined fear because Huntsman’s can hurt you really. They’re not poisonous spiders, but they look really scary, you know, so. So in fact your little episode with Bruce is a sort of a perfect case study of how to handle fear.
Guy: Yeah, absolutely. And so that was, we had a feel it and then find the fear,
Bill: fine, fine, feel, find it, face it, friend it and then free it. And by Fred, I mean in the same way that you freed the spider, you know, the spider is there, it’s in the garden. It might well come back into your room, but it’s not an issue with you anymore because you’ve gone through that whole process of naming it and getting comfortable with it. And you know, every single interviewee, I asked one question and probably that question is, is germane to our current situation with the crime boss. And a question was this, all right? You got a young mom, single mother, she’s in her early twenties, she’s got two kids. She loses her job. What advice would you give her? And you know, she’s beset by fear. When she loses her job and she’s got these young kids, what, what advice would you give her? And I got a whole bunch of different responses I’ve got to say.
Bill: Um, but the one overriding thing that came through was this, first thing she’s got to do is she has got to stop. She’s got to breathe, she’s got to take stock of her situation. She’s got to look for family and others around her to support her. And then she’s got to, in a very clear minded way, she’s got to work out what resources are available to help them. And what government resources, they might be insightful. Um, in other words, she’s got to, she’s got to be quiet. She’s got to put fear aside totally and look at it very logically and analytically, work out a plan and then work to that plan. And I think the same thing really applies with the coronavirus is that people are going to first start. People got to ask themselves, what am I really scared of? I mean, this, this whole thing with toilet paper for instance, is really interesting.
Bill: I mean, as most people know that there’s been a huge run on toilet paper and I’ve been thinking about this a lot at night and I go, why? Because it really doesn’t make much sense, but it is an expression of fear. And more than that, it’s an expression of, well, if I get a roll of toilet paper and I’m doing something to protect myself and my family, um, I think it’s not so much about the toilet paper side, but it’s about assuaging the fear that’s cursing through a lot of people at the moment. Um, yeah.
Bill: Yeah, it is fascinating. You know, just something that I wanted to share, which I’ve never shared before. And looking at these circumstances needs interest in times and you know, I think we’ve all faced crisises in the past that, you know, other, whether it be personnel or on a bigger scale at this moment and being able to look back on some things in my own life, anytime where I’ve been under felt like a huge amount of pressure that there’s a, there’s, there’s, it’s almost like the, everything is caving in around and there’s no, no wriggle room. Um, I, there’s always revealed something within me that I didn’t even know that I had an ability to cope with from that. And, and it was the moment I was able to kind of look at things and accept things for the way they are in this moment right now is it was only from that point forward that I was able to deal with the situation with a much more level headed mind. And I think acceptance was a, was a huge part for me in that. Um, yeah.
Guy: Well, you know, it’s interesting because I most, I think it’s important to keep it safe, political, but I do think governments have led a stand up and I think they continuing to let us down. And so what that means is that we have to be more self-reliant, um, and we have to start to make decisions for ourselves. And because we can’t, we can’t trust the politicians at the moment. I’m making the right best decisions. Can I, this is unprecedented. This is survival. This is worldwide global survival. And, you know, perhaps the Spanish flu in 1918 has never been anything like this before. So we’re all, we’re all in new territory. The stock market has crashed. People with the money invested in the stock market, uh, probably terrified right now. Um, people are gonna, people are gonna be losing their jobs hand over fist. People are going to get sick. People are gonna die and unprecedented dominance. And that’s scary. You know, we’ve, we’ve never faced anything like this before. So how do you, how do you deal with that?
Bill: the first thing you gotta do is you’ve got to go. Just like the advice to that young man, you’ve got to stop and you’ve got to take stock of things and figure out what you need to do to protect yourself. Um, on write this book about where it was and I likened it to a military campaign where you got to find allies. You’re gonna find people that are gonna support you. You gotta find, you know, I found that during this time, um, my wife Jennifer and I have got so much closer to our family, um, because because we’ve had to, we care about them, they care about us, we’re communicating more. Um, there are actually going to be some positives come out. If it’s, even if you plan on seeing commandment, they will, they will be extraordinary positives. We can get onto that later. But I’m coming back to death. This is a big one. And I think what’s happening now is it’s, it’s asking all of us to look diff very much straight in the face. And we’re kind of, what is my relationship to death.
Guy: I mean, I know what my relationship is today.
Bill: Yeah. If you know, it’s for me what, what, what comes to comes through for me now right now is, you know, I always remember a famous quote by Wayne Dyer and to, to fully, um, to fully live life, you have to fully accept death and the sin that is in that transition then you, you start to truly live and, and um, I think quite quite, and I can only speak from my own experience here, but there was a large part of my life where I didn’t realize it, but I was continuously resisting to things and making decisions based upon a fear based approach to my life. And, and, and, and it wasn’t until I actually did some my own in at work and actually put myself in situations to overcome my own fears. And those fears become so real that I, I felt like I was going to die in some respects.
Bill: But, but actually doing that in a work for myself and really looking at that and creating a different relationship, it certainly gave me a greater strength and a different resolve in a different relationship to life and this from that place that it was allowing me to open my heart more, to live with more compassion, to live with more connection to the people around me and to the things that I do and I’m bringing in tent that would actually benefit and help others and serve on a bigger picture. And as I started to come through from that place, in that lens in which I looked at life, it became more moment by moment it become to try and find the, I guess the truth in all of it and try and distinguish what, what’s real fear and what isn’t real fear. Just just like it’s happening right now in the world. And then being able to still come from that place with awareness in my heart as well as just in, in the program and on in the mind that can actually just kicking. And you know, I felt fear actually I feel fear creep in every day at the moment. But it’s been from that work and that relationship of what you speak about and having to look at that cause it’s not a topic which we quite often talk about to be honest with you.
Bill: Alright, let’s start in the crown of ours is a, is requiring us spoke about it. Let me ask you a question cause I asked myself as Christian this morning, okay, let’s say we’ve got a situation where we’ve got um, more people requiring ventilators and ICU beds. Then there are available and you are about to go into ICU and, but there is a young person who also is waiting to go into ICU, but there’s a strong possibility that person is not going to get a bit. Would you give up your, your bed or that person
Guy: that, that’s a very difficult question. I have a wife that’s six and a half months pregnant right now and I’m bringing a child into this world as well. You know, and there’s a great fear for me has been a father for the first time in these situations as well. Um, but I certainly wouldn’t want to ignore the situation either, but I’ve never dealt with these, these moments.
Bill: There’s a line, it’s a life and death moments. I mean, they, they use the questions that we have to ask ourselves, you know, and that’s, that’s, I mean in a sense where in this extraordinarily privileged situation in that we are seeing humanity. We’re being forced to see humanity in a way that we’ve never seen it before.
Bill: Never. And [inaudible]
Bill: I mean, is that really unique? People are going to be torn. It’s, we’ve gotta be looking at this hundreds of years down the track. If we survive, it might be from another planet. Um, but, um, but it’s asking us, it’s asking us to, to, to be questions. Who am I and what’s important, what’s important to me? They’re the two big questions as far as asking us to confront. And you know, prior to this, we’ve all been getting on with L liberal. We’ve all been living day to day. You know, we’ve taken so many things for granted. Suddenly those things we can’t take for granted anymore. We can’t take for granted that we can walk into a supermarket and buy some mints, you know, um, these basic kind of human needs that we have suddenly looking at through a new prison. And where can I tell you? I’ll tell you, you know, I think like supposed to be going to go into what the benefits are later on and know this whole thing. One of the benefits, one of the benefits for me is that I’m, in the last two weeks, I’ve dropped three kilos. I’ve already started rationing my face,
Bill: okay, that’s a little bit spacious, but you know, but you’ve got to laugh as well, you know, God, I mean, really, you know, we do have to keep a sense of humans for this. I’m not suggesting that everybody, I mean, I heard in Berlin, they’re holding Corona parties right about us. Spottings you know, they going out and having a potting to one into the morning, that just makes no sense to me.
Guy: Yeah, yeah. What do you think, ah, moving forward? Um, we can do to, I guess, keep ourselves in check if, and even if we were recapping the things that we’ve covered and to, to give people something to take away from this conversation today with what’s the relationship that we have with our fear right now within these extraordinary times and what we can do to just deal with it on a, on a daily basis to the best of our ability. So we can feel empowered because there’s a, there’s also a lot of, the one thing that I find every time I log into social media that, you know, there’s so many different views, different opinions, different messages that, that are happening that, that, that creating different emotions in me every single moment. You know?
Bill: Well, one of the things that you’ve got to do is you’ve got to sort through all the exterior in the panic and go and try and find the baseline facts of the situation. Um, because once again, going back to the military metaphor, if you’ve got good Intel, then you can then make plans like, um, and one of the plans of mine when you’re under attack is to, is to defend what are protections around. So, um, and it seems to me from only experts and one of the big protections is to start to embrace social distancing. So fast switch and if you can, um, just stay away from other, other people as much as you can. We bought kind of stunning from Sydney. We live in a country town outside of Sydney and perhaps we’d been overreacting a bit, but he’s been in his room for the last three days.
Bill: So by sliding, just to make sure that he hasn’t brought a bargain from Sydney that we’re not aware of and he’s not aware of, um, you know, so, so I think finding, finding what the real situation is, not, not what the exterior is, is very, very important. And then start to make plans accordingly. Um, once you’ve got a plan, a plan, once you’ve got a plan worked out and you stopped the tape, meant that plan. It’s amazing how much fear drops away because you’re doing something, you’re doing something and you know, you’re facing your fear in a very practical and logical way. Um, I think the other really important thing you see as we talked about real fear and imagined fear, but that’s once I talk about what you can’t control and what you can’t control, you know, because there’s no point being fearful. I have a thing that you can’t control and there’s a whole lot with this virus that we can’t control, you know, so, so we need to go through, once again, a real sort of logical, analytical process of working out what it is we can’t control.
Bill: What is we can’t control. And let’s take anger out of this whole situation. Cause I know a lot of people very angry about China or about the governments or about politicians or various things that’s not gonna suit. That’s not gonna help us. Being angry is not going to help us. It’s a wasted emotion. It’s a wasted energy. Let’s channel that energy into something very positive, what we can do and how we can help others. You know, because the other thing that, um, as far as his asking us to do is it’s asking us to be generous, be compassionate, be humane and help out the pavement.
Guy: Yeah. Yeah. It’s certainly, hopefully we’ll, we’ll certainly Unitus and, and um, remind us what actually really matters
Bill: exactly. You got to understand that that fear contracts and hope and I put luck in that basket of ho expands and what we need to do is we need to move into expansion mind because whilst it seems really dark at the moment, we can’t see a way out of this. It will be extraordinary opportunities.
Bill: growth, the creativity that will come as a result of this and the enterprise as well. Um, we kind of see that right at the moment, but they will be and we’ve just got to keep in that expansion. I keep, keep hope alive, keep love alive and expand.
Guy: Absolutely. Absolutely. I think, um, just to wrap this up, bill, for that today’s conversation, can you recap the five apps for me? Police? So, so people can start to even take that note down and write it. Cause honestly the one, the one thing, uh, I practice on a daily basis and I have them for years and it shows me hugely in times like this is, is I actually have a practice of gratitude on a daily basis. And from that gratitude practice, I actually feel into my heart and the emotions that, and I actually count my blessings and feel and be grateful for the very things that I have in my life right now. The very fact that we can still get on this call and have this conversation and hopefully help inspire someone else as well. It’s quite amazing. Um, the things that we have from that and, and by, by actually really reminding myself of what matters, it allows me to sort of show up each day and keep moving forward. You know,
Bill: that’s, um, that’s an expression of you working on what’s important. And that once again is you are really sort of working through your real Phoebus imagine the five amps. And I’ve been working on this for a little while and in fact I’ve gone to many of the interviewees and checked it with them to say whether or not this is, you know, I should be, I should be sort of categorizing it this way and I’ve got approval from the nurse to do it. Basically it’s fairly fear. Find it and that’s actually find it in your body. Actually physically find that way. Your fear is actually sitting in your body. Sometimes in your heart, sometimes in your gut, sometimes in your head, but actually find out physically where it is, where, where your way, if you’re actually resides, then face it. So once you’ve found it, you then have to face your fear and bring it out of its stock. They don’t raise stairs and in the cold, harsh light of day, face it. Um, people at the moment who are ignoring this fires aren’t placing they fan.
Bill: Okay. Once you faced faced it then, and it’s the tricky one to get wrap your head around, but it’s really crucial to the whole way of mitigating. You’d see it used to friend it realize that it said to help you that it has a purpose and that if you find out what their purpose is, it is in fact your friend and in becoming your friend. And if he loses, it’s been a, it a, it becomes, it becomes two slits, um, it becomes less of a threat and then free it and free it. We talked about leaning into it. So you know, you’re never actually going to be free and be fair, but you have acknowledged that you fear is something that can help you. And if you work with it and lean into it and you can use that wanting to that biological boarding system, that fear is, you can use it then to make plans and to put into action those things that can help you. Yeah,
Guy: that’s just beautiful goal. That’s so, so empowering. Five F’s and some that we can’t forget. It’s very easy acronym. We’ll show
Guy: five types of fear.
Bill: Yeah. But it takes practice. You have to, you have to physically do it and sit there and feel into your body, breathe into your body, give yourself the space and time to allow that communication and that connection to happen. It’s not,
Bill: By the way, God, there was wonderful acronym that I picked up, um, while making the film, which I decided not to use. In fact, I was thinking of actually calling the film. Yes. But the acronym is fear is fuck everything and run.
Guy: Exactly. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a much more truthful and then a false evidence appearing real, which is why, when can we expect the film out bill? Like is there anytime soon? Where are you at with it man? Well, look,
Bill: uh, I’ve actually now finished all the filming. Um, uh, do need to do a little bit of, um, I think you probably saw PGS, my film on intuition. There was a lot of drone shots and stuff like that. I was going to do that. But kind of what I’m thinking is that, that there is a very real need for the content that are, that are collected in these films. And I’m actually thinking in putting, putting all of the interviews, all the 30 interviews, um, up online so that people can, it’d be raw so there wouldn’t be, it wouldn’t be as formal as such. It would be, it’d be almost like, you know, the rule of footage that I’ve got, which are large, large economy, the stations with these extraordinary people about fear and habits to him fan. Um, I’m thinking of, I’ve just got to call my web design and talk about the possibility of actually putting up 30 interviews, something like 50 hours of material on fear, which people can access because I think there’s a need for, there’s a need for this kind of information at the moment.
Bill: What I worry about is the suicide rate is going to be huge. No, I think there’s going to be, a lot of people are gonna want once the initial shock of this and the reaction to it, it’s over and people take stock of their circumstances. I think we’re going to be dealing with extraordinary issues of mental health, um, and suicide and you know, we in this business of transformation and personal transformation if you like, we have got to try and find ways to help people. And at that, that’s, that’s our role in this current situation. We’ve got to find ways to help me. And it just so happened to be making a film on fam and I’d like to try and get that information out there
Guy: if people want to learn more about when that would be a uploaded your website and everything else where, where can we send everyone, Bill? So they can just stay communicating with you and keep their finger on the pulse?
Bill: Yeah, good question. Um, I’m so low tech. I sometimes I, I mean I don’t really care to have like that, but um, Facebook, um, I’m pretty prominent on Facebook and, and also, uh, there isn’t a set shut me down. And also, um, if people just Google me,
Guy: Bill Bennett, they’ll find you. I find you very easily
Bill: Still lately.
Guy: You’re everywhere, Bill. Look, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and thank you for doing this on Facebook live. I’ve never done anything like this before on Facebook. It’s magic. And I’ll certainly be looking into doing the podcast more like this in the future as well. But, um, I really appreciate your time. I really appreciate everything you’re doing and, uh, and sharing that wisdom that you learned and hopefully our people that have tuned in and listen today would have definitely got something from that. I know. I certainly did, that’s for sure. So
Bill: The most important take out from this whole thing has been your story about Bruce.
Bill: That was fantastic.
Guy: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I haven’t seen him in awhile, so uhm hopefully he hasn’t made his way back in, but that’s all right. Thanks Bill.
Bill: Thanks Guy.