#185 This week, I’m here with the amazing Dr Amit Goswami and Dr Valentina R. Onisor. Amit is a professor of physics and together with Valentina, a practicing physician, they established Quantum Activism Vishwalayam, an institution of transformative education in India, based on quantum science and the primacy of consciousness.
During our conversation today, we talk about the quantum brain, the role of upbringing and trauma in our wholistic health, the potentials we so often ignore, and how so many minds are tensed up due to living in a state of survival. If you think you’ve been living in survival mode and are looking for a way to break out, this is the episode for you.
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About Dr Amit: Amit Goswami, PhD is a retired professor of physics from the University of Oregon where he served from 1968-1997. In 1985, he discovered the solution to the quantum measurement problem and developed a science of experience explicating how consciousness splits into subject and object. Subsequently, he developed a theory of reincarnation and integrated conventional and alternative medicine within the new quantum science of health.
Among his discoveries are the quantum theory of the creative process, the theory of quantum evolution, the science of love and happiness, the theory of quantum economics, and the theory of quantum spirituality based on the exploration of wholeness. In 1991, Amit started a movement called quantum activism, now gaining ground in North and South America, Europe, and India. In 2018, he and his collaborators established Quantum Activism Vishwalayam, an institution of transformative education in India, based on quantum science and the primacy of consciousness.
About Dr. Valentina: Valentina Onisor, MD, is a practicing physician specializing in family medicine, who integrates various systems of alternative medicine into her medical practice. Committed to consciousness awakening related sciences for over two decades and a pioneer of quantum integrative medicine, Valentina is also a yoga and meditation teacher. She has made correlations between the ancient sciences and quantum physics using both as a support for her teachings. Through a unique system of quantum healing, Valentina inspires people to achieve enhanced physical, emotional, and spiritual health that allows for profound and long-lasting integration and regeneration on all levels.
As a leader in transformational education, Valentina serves as a teacher, co-founder and Dean of Students at Quantum Activism Vishwalayam, India. She is a lecturer at Quantum Academy in Brazil and an acting consultant for the Center for Quantum Activism in Eugene, Oregon, USA. Valentina is currently offering a number of courses and workshops oriented towards healing and spiritual transformation.
She is also a co-author (along with Dr. Amit Goswami) of the recently released books, Quantum Spirituality and The Quantum Brain as well as of the upcoming books, The Awakening of Intelligence, Quantum Integrative Medicine, and The Quantum Science of Love and Relationships.
Key points with time stamp:
- The Pursuit of Wholeness (00:00)
- How did Valentina and Amit’s journeys meet? (00:42)
- The role of the quantum brain in our overall healing (05:33)
- Limiting the abilities of our brains and its effects (13:23)
- Are you frozen in the base levels of existence? (19:23)
- What is “quantum?” (21:45)
- Has the necessity of survival tensed up your mind? (25:12)
- How can we resist falling back into our old routines? (29:02)
- Realizing the control of negative emotions over us (33:14)
- Valentina’s application of quantum healing (38:59)
- Can mental trauma affect the body? (40:09)
- Addressing your relationship with yourself in the process of healing (46:23)
- Can we be optimistic about the future? (48:32)
- Is pain a useful instrument? (56:26)
- The importance of gratitude (01:00:41)
Mentioned in this episode:
- The Quantum Brain, 2021. Valentina and Amit’s book
- Quantum Activism Vishwalayam, the university established by Amit and Valentia
Dr Amit & Valentina’s Website:
faculty – Center for Quantum Activism (amitgoswami.org)
The Quantum Brain Book:
Quantum brain – Kindle edition by Goswami , Amit. Religion & Spirituality Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com
So good Amit, Valentina. Welcome to the podcast. I’m truly honoured to have you both here today. I was just saying off air and I want to share with the listeners as well, it’s, it’s, it’s very rare that I have two guests on the show as well. So we’ll, I’ll do my best to be able to navigate the conversations. We don’t talk over each other, and guiding it. But as if I asked one of you a question, please, if the other one wants to add something to the end, absolutely. Go for it and anything and whatever your heart’s desires, please share today, we have incredible listeners, incredible audience that are very open minded to this work, I have no doubt. And I’m looking forward to sharing the wisdom because your publicist was very kind enough to post me the quantum brain. And I’ve been delving through it. And as always, it’s, I feel like I need to read it 10 times to really start to fully understand it, you know, and, but before we dive into the book, what I’m really interested in is how you guys ended up, coming together. And I’m going to start with you first, Valentina, because I believe you’re a physician, you work with families, and it seems such a great correlation to them. we dive in in the world, we’re content with Amit, who is a professor, I mean, how did they happen?
So actually, I was born in a family of doctors and priests. And also I was into spirituality and all these sciences we try actually together since I was very, very early age. And then I also got into yoga meditation pretty early in my life. And I saw a need to move with this, What the Bleep Do we know, you know, for a while, and then eventually, I think, maybe six years ago, or something like that. Somebody invited me to India to pyramid Valley, to university that was about to be set out. That was the initial plan with me. And that was the plan of that lady, to have me also part of them, because she knew me a little bit, I was travelling to India, I was doing all kinds of retreats myself. And that was the initial plan to have something starting there. And we met Amit. And of course, the click was immediate there, it was just so beautiful, because I felt what I need to bring in. And of course, like, what he was saying was exactly what I was leaving and so much time. And, and then it didn’t happen. So that university didn’t happen. But then eventually, like, we just went through other projects and other things. And now it’s happening, actually. So in the last two, three years, we started another university, you know, what is happening mastering PhD? So very interesting, you know, how we just took off, and then did other projects, and now really came to that and much, much more beautiful and harmonious and everything. Amazing,
and Amit What about you? What is what is your your mission? Your purpose by combining forces to, to can continue to get this work out there? What is the vision behind it?
Well, no, I’m in preparation is always more fun than working solo. And also, you know, when we had the university it was, it was seeming more and more very difficult for me to handle all the teaching by myself. Especially when I am a theoretician, I make no bones about it, I have not held a one single person my entire life in any tangible way. Considering that I have not therapist, none of these things. I’m not a spiritual teacher who teaches meditation, not that either. Basically, my four faced getting intuition, insights, creativity, writing books, etc. So when I came, of course, initially, you know, I mean, many people come to me, but of course, you know, they’re not committed enough to work. This is this is not an easy start. So first, we cleared it was surprised, but of course, I was not expecting anything like what happened subsequently. She simply is a billion person at once extremely hard oriented. So it’s a very wonderful combination. Yeah, intellectually. I work in intellectual domains probably a little bit better than her but she works in the heart domain. Better than me. So it works out very good, pretty complimentary way. And the research course likewise, I usually deal with more of the intellectual and and she’s very instrumental in raising the emotional issues and also the expertise to have shared medical expertise that is very helpful. So regression is going beautifully. The teaching is going beautifully. The wonderful propers amazing.
Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting, we, I work with two other practitioners and a male and a female. And when we brought the female in, and the female energy, it’s just been absolutely fabulous. And it certainly allows me to work from my heart more as well, when doing this work. Yeah, I totally understand what you’re saying. I’m interested in. Before diving into more the specifics of the book in the quantum brain, I’m fascinated around the word heal healing, and even now bringing in quantum to it. Because as far from what I can see, and what I’m seeing in the mainstream narrative, and in the world right now, you guys are a rare breed, like you’re looking at this in a hugely holistic way. And I was wondering if you could just speak to a little bit about that, and why it’s so important to be looking at this aspect as well as we bring it into, I guess, our overall well being?
Yeah, of course.
Should I so we want to know, okay, so brain. Brain is a very wonderful instrument, it has over three concentric shells. And the evolution was the innermost shell is the first one, that programme. And then we have a mammalian called the midbrain, limbic system. And then we have the cortex, which is our pride and joy for Texas, where we have self identity for Texas, where we have sinking located. So for human beings, there is an enormous tendency of fixated being fixated on the cortex, neocortex or cortex. That is okay, except that the midbrain has all this negative emotional and razor circuits. And they are mostly unconscious, we don’t have conscious control we have lost. So the first thing, of course, that people have, is not only the problem of how when consciousness is presented in the brain, it gradually gets constructed a constricted state that we experience as the ego. And then it develops personality over as you grow up. So this combination, ego and personality, that converts the universality of our consciousness, into a, not only very constricted consciousness, but very much hierarchical conscious. And that hierarchy, that I only know that I’m conscious, as far as I’m concerned, you are just an object in my consciousness. That hierarchy is always we always inside feel superior to the other that we are relating to, it may come out as an inferiority, but inside it begins always a superiority because I know I’m conscious, but I don’t know that you’re conscious from the ego state. So that mental intolerance produces a kind of, I am the only one who goes to that kind of touch of megalomania every one of us, so, that Mr. Darkness plus the emotional brain, which was starts with plastic pleasure, orientation, these three aspects and now the information addiction that we have these four aspects has been growing up extremely difficult. The parents are busy, both parents work. So childhood trauma has become much more common. So these five things already we have this worst of a brain condition, a human body, History class, we have this parent tell parents not working, giving us not enough attention and be going up there. And trauma, this combination is the combination that raises the question of health in a major way. So we don’t have a brain which helps us to grow up healthy, and not going out only to psychological disorders, but also health disorders in in major way. And this for valances contribution was enormously good. I have some elementary notions that this growing up has much to do with autism hyperactivity, and why people some people get so lost in the intellectual, not so much in the heart. So all of this fits to disease eventually, and trauma. But the combination of the two, our, our progression here was the most
various plan something. So, a lot, of course, it’s a great subject. And you see that the magazine nowadays is kind of a pessimistic system, right? It’s so many names for diseases, and just one name for health. And people don’t even know what is that, you know, because we missed like, gradually, as we age or whatever, you don’t even know what is that state of health, I don’t even know what to refer to now. So the quantum healing and what we come with as quantum integrative medicine, we are just writing another book, which is to be finished place on and printed. And that’s a positive. And always, we kind of emphasise the needs to change this paradigm in healing. Right? So kind of to see the full part of the glass kind of and emphasise that rather than just the trying to heal from this little thing from this. And eventually try to see what is the resonance? What got you into that situation, right? And of course, what with mental hygiene, first of all, because if many things are repressed, suppressed there, those have to be taken out and solved also. But eventually, you are building yourself. Now there are stages, and then of course, quantum healing, which is that kind of healing that maybe you want to refer to. It’s a manifestation of the supramental level. Okay, nothing has never, it’s, it’s truly even if you think of lips at being Southern events, right? So they are indeed Southern events, but what we need to do is preparation and sometimes preparation takes a lot of time. So it’s never a quick fix. And we live in this mentality, which most of us, you know, it’s just referring to these quick fixes. You don’t even want to take a pill or an injection for something, you just want something quick, but you don’t want to really change yourself or transform yourself. Not. So it’s about transformation. Also, when we refer to pop, because there are indeed miracles, we just don’t look at them, right. We call them miracles. And yes, they are manifestations of divine grace. But also at the same time, you can apply what we call the creative process. And this so in all the books, you will find references to that.
Absolutely. And I always think about my own journey and my own life, because I was just a guy from Wales. You know, I’m still just a guy in Australia now, like not, not much has changed. But but but my self has changed along the way. And I think about the old self. And I often think about that, I wouldn’t have been able to relate to a lot of the things that have been shared and said, because I just didn’t have any experiences. And I was so entrenched in the ego and the construct and the hierarchy of meaning. It just, I just wasn’t even aware of it in any shape or form. And it was there in front of me the whole time. And every book I read. I intellectually got it, but I didn’t get it. Because I hadn’t experienced anything of it.
Yeah. So when you have the understanding together with the practice and to integrate them that’s already tapping into the supplemental level Actually, no. Sorry. No, go ahead. No, that’s what I said. So, whenever this kind of experiences and you integrate both enough, then you can the experience is yours now so it becomes yours and nobody can take it from you.
So what we have done in the book is to say that look this basic level of human condition that is causing us both ill health and mental health is new. To the fact that we operate at the Newtonian level of the brain or physiology as far as you’re born, and then we make it worse in our growing up, because of the current culture, current culture does not tell in the olden days, there were certain ways that we supported each other emotionally and therefore, the negative emotional impact was not so heavy people live in giant families. Therefore, again, we centred this was not so heavy either, information processing does not exist, we all knew that understanding is important meaning is important purpose is important values were important. Of course, he measured difficulty in the olden days was that I’m only talking about an operation or of the society, Lord has never caught any of this. So, when modern time we have certainly improved the lower class, survival ability, no doubt, that there has to be a claim, but part of what a sacrifice we have completely demolished what we call civilised existence of the human that was in the process of elevating the survival oriented people, even the upper echelon has become survival oriented and nothing else, survival plus what it means to have wealth, what it means to be rich, is pleasure, more pleasure, the Lord just cannot have so much pleasure we can have so much. So, this attitude, or rather Newtonian brain is the one that we are using, and that ram dies in and in the process making our body and your brain state, this process is dropping, it is readily available. In the olden days, our ancestors, fortunately, actually, we take some quantum leap and change brain physiologic to certain extent. Today, we say that, okay, they may have some, you know, God consciousness, the gods spot in the brand new birth Centre in New York discovered it, very good couple of books, people laugh about it, but it’s no laughing matter fair, really, our software that our ancients developed, and which is in the collective unconscious, which we can, everybody has already built in ability to activate those to trigger those into action. But unfortunately, we don’t, and because of the culture, so when you grow up, we ignore those aspects, which expresses in the body as love as self respecting the level shock. And this is where eventually becomes separated, brain centred living brain controls the body also not only body’s functions, but the body’s demotion system, namely, brain does not want to participate in this self work. And therefore, those circuits are never activated. And this is what we call the best of us human condition. Because in the olden days, there was the scope of vacating the negative impact of the negative emotional circuits with positive emotional circuits that we also have in conjunction with the body. But they are not triggered there in the collective unconscious, they have to be triggered. And that triggering not happening is the problem, and how can we do it better, we have to activate the quantum quantum brain that that ability is lost. Now we have to take a quantum leap to the quantum action of the brain so that the brain occasionally does become coherent, does become active all over, does initiate these circuits that to action, one second, does it adjust to the body waking up to love and self worth? And that’s what makes us a much, much better team.
So So what you’re saying, if I just want to agree, correct this and maybe Valentina you can add to this, then is that then if you don’t use it, you lose it. And then we actually have the potential to every human being then has the potential to be in more love, be in more compassion and genuinely feel and come from that place. But because we’re not using it, we’re not aware of it and it’s laying redundant within the body. Would that be a fair estimate to say?
Yeah, and so that quantum brain again, is that part of the brain that can bring new potential realities into manifestation. But even that, you see that when you think of the power of choosing, right, we don’t even know what are our choices in the base level human condition museum. So we are dominated by all this human condition, the base level existence, by whatever we have we the conditions, you know, we are truly conditioned very much, you see how sensitive we are to what’s happening in the world right now, I can see that people are not truly thinking anymore, you know. So it’s like freezing, your mind is freezing. And then you’re, of course, very easy to be controlled, right? Want to speak about the evolution, okay? But so that capacity to choose you do it, we emphasise in the book, again, I’m mentioning that mental hygiene and training your attention. And without that, again, you may have all kinds of manifestations of grace. And your heart may even explode of love and compassion at some point, but you’re just forgetting about that, right. So you have to have this process of creativity. So that everything you can kind of you need to learn how to work how to use in the power of your intent, which comes when you develop the capacity to choose, you know, you will become aware, first of all, where you are, it’s fine, wherever you are, it’s excellent. And we just have to see that honestly, that honesty also is disappearing nowadays. Now, we are just having so many masks and right, and then start working from there. And of course, there’s so much potential at all the levels which are waiting for us. Also, of course, at the level of the heart and the level of the brain, like all the levels actually we are like sleeping on mine of diamonds. Totally.
Got it. Got it. And let’s…, can we explore the thoughts and the feelings a little bit more? Because and and I post on them from from your book as well about the thoughts and feelings are quantum and behaviour? And could you address just a little bit about the word quantum? Because my concern is is that people would shut down from that and if they don’t understand that, then it’s like well, how can my thoughts and feelings be quantum and how is that how would they behave?
quantum itself produces a barrier because if they look up the dictionary quantum just means he biologically quantitative quantity discrete quantity. So, that is not the essence of quantum the essence of quantum the fact that objects are not Newtonian, but they are quantum. This statement simply means that objects are not determined objects are not objects, which movement can be determined by knowing about the forces and initial movement of the object. That’s not, that’s not possible at all, they because the object is an object of possibility. So wave of possibility on the interactions, that gave us the state of the object state or movement of the object and it at any given time, that state is not a determined state of definite movement, that okay the object is here the objective will be participate. Now, we cannot determine that, instead what it gives is that the object is in a state of many possible positions, many possible velocities. And so, this is the way to think of it for the lay person is that a determined object becomes object or possibility, something that was determined I could not do anything about it compared to the objective completely independent of my consciousness. Instead, it was not like that at all. It always is the combination of various possibilities and consciousness chooses. So, my problem is that I in my ego, have lost some of that choice, how do I bring that choice? So, the Newtonian happens, Newtonian reality is real for people with a brain because, we by conditioning, we are development of the construction of the ego, we are developing all these things, new centres, etc, to talk about, we have lost that capacity of choice because we move in a very constricted consciousness. But if we do it through meditation and creativity, elevate our condition of consciousness, then we could experience the objects as subject to our choice. And that it that makes the whole of a different that makes us creative. That makes us able to choose meaning instead of meaningless. Health instead of disease, and happiness instead of mission. This is the secret. It’s various Simple to explain it. But that’s what quantum means, instead of determined, independent of us possibility, and our choice determines the ultimate reality.
Wow. So in other words, we are able to either restrict ourselves down and say there’s absolutely no possibility This is my destined path. And there’s nothing I can do about it. Because this is what I see in the current paradigm of the egoic hierarchy structure of the Western world that we’ve kind of fallen into. And then what you’re saying is, then we’re moving into the quantum, which actually means that is a wave of potential reality right here right now to be had. So why aren’t we then supporting ourselves to lean into possibility. And let’s have more of that, as opposed to defaulting back to the old way continuously. Without
brains condition comes in the evolution comes in the brain has become constricted by the necessity of survival and development of this negative emotional circuits in the brain of all of which we have lost control, we have to control our thoughts At some point, but we have lost control. And we have become dominated by this me centeredness. Because of much of today’s culture, it was not like this before. So all these reasons to have created what was the opportunity to making them into obstacles, which is what Valentina calls this tensing up the mind mental hygiene. So we really have a choice of living with the Healthy Mind, instantly feel a mind up with garbage. And that’s where it is. And this is a problem. This is why a healer is needed. latex is not a not a question of anything but a question of healing, the whole thing has become the system is sick, we need to heal it. So rain is healing. Yeah.
And the funny thing is that I didn’t know until I met amid this fact that we have embedded in our brain, this negative emotion basically. So once you get that, then the situation is changing. Also on that, again, that for reasons of survival during our evolution, the brain has taken over the control over these instinctual feelings which are connected with the lowest three chakras, if you are familiar with that, we’ve not to say something. But you see, there’s so much survival oriented things in the world, even though education, it’s not anymore, higher education, it’s low education, right, it’s just, you are getting trained to just get the job, you forget about the meanings at all. So just survival and dominance, also, this domination. So these are part of the first three chakras kind of this circuit. And of course, our job is to develop these positive ones and strengthen them over and over love, compassion, forgiveness, and all the other things to get that again, with training our attention, so that we develop that kind of discernment, which is called you know, so that we can choose that happiness of expansion of consciousness, you know, so the journey towards the quantum, you know, it’s a journey of increasing intelligence, increasing also health and happiness, they come together. So that’s what we want to do, you know, and this discrimination to choose happiness of expansion, rather than the happiness of the small pleasures, you know, which often conflicts the consciousness and that’s what we call awakening of intelligence. And is more than choosing then the bossy brain to choose this kind of happiness or Ananda ideal intelligence rather than machine intelligence.
Yeah. So Valentina, can I just, I want to pick your brains a little bit there, because you’re, you’re triggered off some great loops for me as well. And because if we’ve been, like you say, we’re going to the school system, the whole structure, and we kind of school a certain way now and everything is coming from the base. resharper is, like you say, run about survival, safety, creating dominance and our wills and forcing things to happen. Moving forward. When we when we’re at a point in our life where maybe there’s this there’s a larger aspect of ourself wants to come through more and that’s how hard spoken but often we can feel like we’re having a midlife crisis, or we’re starting out the old construct starting to break down. We, we because we’ve spent our entire life interpreting our I guess our reality a certain way, and the thoughts and the feelings that we have unconsciously on a moment to moment basis are obviously giving rise to the way we see reality. How do we then start to, I guess, work with ourselves to to get beyond those thoughts, those feelings, to then start to move into this realm of possibility and quantum, as opposed to allowing them to pull us back into the old way where we go back and shut down and go into the way where we’re, we’re doing it the old route. Yeah.
So of course, as you see, this journey takes a lot of courage. And the funny thing is that we believe so much like, we are keeping the brakes in the car. And also, that’s how we are living Actually, we are mostly reacting then acting, as you know, no. And we need to get the courage now, I mean, we are here for a very short while, you know, so all that is your opening come in this life, you do some blinking, and then we’re worried, you know, so the fingers that we have to also learn to live a little bit more passionate, you know, in the same time, you know, like, with more upside with courage, not with so much fear. Yeah. And it’s, of course, now, what you see, that’s what’s happening is so much fear and anxiety. But the thing is that this kind of crisis as any kind of crisis in the world, they are moment, which presents a lot of opportunities, as you say, the old paradigms, and even our old concepts may shake up. And still in the middle of all this crisis, we may get a moment with ourselves, you know, and we may get the moment that we can say, okay, that Enough is enough. And you get to start transforming Yes, from wherever you are, to choose to be on your side that God is also choosing that, obviously, so. And of course, what I see that is needed, it’s transformation, education, you know, education that will transform this human condition into more positive stations, or promo status, if you can, more and more health, more prosperity, more happiness, but it has to be a process which is conscious. So it’s kind of as I see it. And also, for my experience, it’s either you learn these things to subclass, or through a conscious way of living, and then you learn about everything, you know, in that state of simplicity, and coherence, you know, all these things are presenting in front of you. And to get there. And it’s like many times, it’s not so far that we may think, especially when a moment of suffering, and pain, that truth may be just in front of your eyes, you just need to take a breath. And, for example, this simple way of moving all your attention to the breathing for a few moments in the beginning of the day, in the end of the day, may help you again, to see where you are, because otherwise you’re gone in the bushes with all this mind, information processing and taking only attention to the outside, not to the inside.
Of course, of course, and just in your own journeys to I guess, bring this across and it’s tangible for people, what have you because you obviously you work in the healthcare system. And you see a lot of you see a lot of people have you. Do you actively bring this work in with your patients? And what have you kind of seen over the years of what is happening? Is there any examples stories, anything you could share with the listeners?
Course, like we, I mean, I can give you one, which comes from me now, even our students, you know, so we saw our students and truly, like, I’m so happy to see them. And I have to say that all of them, they passed, I mean, after they started this process between his theory and practice, and they all went through a process of deep crisis after a while, you know, and coming out of that, I’m just so happy to see that spiritual maturity shining in the manner and they are they are kind of you can say that this person is is to get Yeah. Okay. Interesting, very interesting, actually.
In the educational system that we have, we have been gradually discovering is, is a measure of breakthrough. You know, this started with actually a brain scientists and they started paying attention to all right, we not don’t know very much about the brain, what does the brain actually do? And when they were doing that, they discovered that Descartes and the entire western civilization that followed from Descartes I was wrong in terms of pursuit of rationality alone, because in truth, what has happened is that the midbrain is a site of emotions. And these emotions are basically, we are unaware of them, we don’t have control over them. And therefore stimulus comes, then the body plays very little role. Brain checks over a reaction that the party will give. And those reactions are jokingly called for apps. You can guess what they are flight, fright, feeding, and final one is a thing that I own. So those are survival oriented response controls. And then it barely makes it very difficult unless somebody points out how do I get out of district or any of these negative emotional responses. And the this is what the problem is. But before we could only talk about creativity, and when we said creativity, it’s the creativity of the mind. So what Valentine and I started discovering in this country beginning of cooperation, that no we can talk about vital creativity, the energies, right of energies themselves, can be creatively elevated. And when we start weighing paying attention to the vital domain, not only we become emotionally intelligent in terms of creating a balance between negative emotion and the positive, which has that potential in the body, which will teach you started talking, not only we can do that, we can often at some point ventured to regain control over the negative emotions of pleasure circuits as well. Imagine that. So when that happens, that’s when humanity will take a huge step to becoming capable of living in a much better quantum capacity. What Aurobindo degree Rishi in India called it which will have a mental state which will be much more expanded much more creative, much more happy, much more intelligent. And all this problems that raised constant crisis. You’re right. Today we live from crisis to crisis, what is the time for people to attend to higher elevated needs, satisfy them because they’re too lost in the survival. And the few who are not lost in the survival they are too lost at the pleasure hunting. So the negative emotions basically dominate us to change that. The mental Avenue is not enough, because in the mental Avenue we get lost in the intellectual pursuit. We don’t realise that it is the archetypes so prevalent. That really is how we change our present mindset. So we have to take a barrel, double barrel approach where we bring in the archetypes and realise that archetypes can be expressed as normal feelings and higher thinking. And when you do that, properly represent the archetypes in both dimensions of feeling and thinking emotions and thought, then we get a much better approach to transformation than ever attempted. This is why I think that the word palatina said is very true. We see the change in our students rivalry a wake up quickly, because we have taken this double barrelled approach.
And then we add something because you asked me also on the medical perspective, of course, I had people and I’m so happy to work with them. Not so many lately because I’m more into education. But I had many, quite many where quantum healing was not so difficult to apply, you know, in various ways. I give you one example. So I had the doctor, I know she she was perfectly healthy, but they were just not able to she was not able to conceive. And also she wanted they wanted so much to have a baby. And I think I worked with her one month only. And I because my intuition guided me to go into that I figured out that critical care that she was needing in the process of forgiveness. And we just went three times through through this and we did a very deep process of forgiveness of ourselves. And like I described a bit towards this archetype of love, which refers also to herself, you know, which is even a lot for women especially, and in one month, so she remained pregnant now she’s the mother of a wonderful baby. You know, so that was Amazing, they were tryiing for many, many years, because he went, she was perfectly healthy, there was nothing there. So this was the blockage, which was keeping her, you know, for example,
amazing, amazing. And it actually triggered every time you talk, you’re triggering so many questions, but the because within the book, you, you talk about us a great analogy of hardware and software. Okay. And, and I’d love you to speak to that. bridging of what you just said, because I’m always I’m always very curious to hear people’s thoughts about how much the way we think and the way we feel, or what we’re holding on to past events in front like that. Lady, would you work with that to work on forgiveness? First? How much of that is actually affecting the body as well, from a quantum level from a hardware software perspective? I mean, I don’t know if there’s a question there, but how can you talk to them a little bit,
I mean, or hardware software. So, software refers to the function the hardware, if you want is the like the physical body, for example, you know, the organs, there is a hardware and the software refers mostly to the function. And you can, that’s the thing you can improve that function very much through different processes like yoga, meditation, Tai ji ji Gong, all kinds of things and working on this vital energy, you know, vital body also. But notice that again, like directing the person to discover that meaning, eventually I tell you, like, when you speak about quantum healing, the person is finding people with cancer, I had many of that actually, truly many, and all other terminal diseases, even fully I had in my practice, and I still having and the thing is that the common denominator for all the people which healed in my experience, and also in others, is that eventually they found something to live for, you know, so they found the meaning which was higher and deeper and unexpected, you know. So, that’s, that’s something and it refers to that software also and, I mean,
what we have discovered also then, this is the study of the brain, it is it surprised us, that they you know, we talk about the brain having two selves, one is why the quantum metrology operates and one where the ego takes over, which is the neutral jumbotron. And then we discovered that the there is a half a second gap between the present moment when the quantum self experience potentially can occur does not occur for most people. And then ego is where most people experience reality and most of us also even the enlightened experiences reality when he goes to the bathroom in Diego. So know that half a second though, is a domain of consciousness that is neither unconscious fully nor conscious fully. Freud called it pre conscious, we use the same language pre conscious, and meditation is the way of entering the pre conscious. So now, when we look at meditation, this way, the whole process becomes a little bit simpler to comprehend how the change comes about. So initially, our initial plan to get into just observe what the problems are, and then it is embedded from observing what the problems are, becomes a little bit deeper, we’ll look at okay let’s look at a state of who is looking at this thoughts and emotions. So, we become a bit oriented towards alright what is the nature of the subject which looks so, that question itself starts us into the journey into the preconscious, because the more we look, the model, look at the deeper state of the self, who is looking at the self, who looks at initially is a very, very conditioned ego. But as we look with this idea, that we are just seeing, what how things are, are looking at the perspective of seeing much more than what we see. See, all the navigate life is concentrated on the objects of experience. But instead, we also watch the subject. And in the process of watching the subject, we discover that the subject is not what I thought it was that evolves into more and more expansion. And once we discovered this expansion of consciousness, you know, people find a TA is definitely present way to live and relate to the world and the visual effects of the emotions change very Pretty much the we see our choices very clearly, the negative emotion comes, I can meditate on it, it just appears. And I can choose the positive, it’s not so hard. So it is a quantum yoga that we held on to those for so personally studying, I’m going to help her through this idea is precisely to work from that increased, expanded consciousness. And this learning that we can change the perspective of looking at the world from a contracted consciousness to gradually improving expanded consciousness is a tremendous help to a person who is trying to transform this we did not know before, we talked about meditation, we did not we did not know what it can do, what the potentiality of meditation itself, you know, people talked about relaxation, but they did not understand that relaxation is nothing but a description of an expansion of consciousness. So with this new understanding that the study of neuroscience gave us, neuroscientists are the ones who figured out Yes, they measure that yes, there is this half a second gap. And this is where the pre conscious happenings take place. And if we learn to access the preconscious, we can gradually change our consciousness from the ego constriction into what we call soul level of living.
Wow. That’s it. It’s massive, like when you think about when I think about the current prognosis, have you got this problem us something, we’re going to put out the fire, as opposed to looking at what caused it in the first place. It feels to me that this is the first thing we should be addressing, before we start to address everything else is the relationship with ourselves. Now we see that in any given moment, at any at any given time, to allow us to then move back into and support the body from a place of potential and possibility, which is what we spoke about at the beginning. Would that be fair to say?
Yeah, but you see that so much, we have so much against ourselves, because of all this base level. It’s so funny, you have to see that. I mean, many people don’t see that only after many, many years of sufferance, you know, and of lack of meaning of just living like robot kind of, but eventually it’s life is so beautiful. And even the diseases, you know, anyone disciplines is they have a message of transformation. So life is helping you now. But the thing is that we have to see how we are destroying ourselves with all these negative things which exist there. So unless we approach them, you may be very much evolved, you know, in spirituality, you may even have experiences, very high experiences. And still, you may have to really go back and work with some little things there, which otherwise may put you down, you know, so if you’re not honest enough to just face them, and accept them and truly start working with them. Because there are these treaties of your characters which can come of course, from other lives with Nickelodeon carnation, there’s so much evidence about that, right? And in this life, it’s also it’s your task to work through these things, you know, there’s more power of automation, which is waiting for you there, you know, so it’s nothing bad. Truly.
Yeah, yeah. Amazing. I’m just aware of the time but I want to ask you a couple of questions before we wrap up the show and one is, with everything going on in the world right now. You know, there’s a lot of fear out there. And with your guys, educating them and background and bringing this incredible work forward. Are you optimistic of our future right now? How do you and and I don’t know if that’s even answerable, but, and I other physicians, and people that can truly help others looking at this work? How do you feel it is going so far?
We are both I think, basically optimistic but what you have to qualify that a bit. We were very, very optimistic. I remember when I first started realise the oneness of everything that mystics arrived, science and spirituality can be integrated. I was a little bit too optimistic, unrealistically optimistic, I thought, Okay, once this message is given, then people will go right back to the spiritual values they pass by missing them. No, they the inculturation of this culture is very deep. No longer people miss those things. People don’t miss very much the absence of love in their life. People don’t miss very much, that they’re not fair to the other, and they are food that is causing some of their own discomfort. They don’t realise how racism Not only is the hatred of the other race, but it also hits it on myself, because why can’t I be better. So, this basic ignorance, this has become much deeper the ignorance of the Indian person, but I also know why you also encounter sometimes even now, that is that innocent ignorance that is what is everywhere in the world is in the past times, you know, centre treatment in a goddess in the sense that they just didn’t know any better. They did what comes in parallel little awareness of what is happening beyond the survival, that can be changed very easily by education. But this kind of ignorance. So I deliberately have eliminated certain things that existed before. Everybody knows that, yes, there are books, religious books, spiritual books are talking about last year’s there are literature, which is talking about love, goodness, justice, all these things. But they purposefully say that no, that’s just political messages, it has nothing to do with the human being, we don’t have to do that. And that purposefully choosing the lack of value, this is something that is very difficult to work with. So what we found and this is where our optimism came back, we found out okay, there must be people like us. So we started trying to find Okay, how many people out there that are like us? And no, but my surprise was unbalanced enough to where as soon as she came to the trouble circuit, is that there is a demand for this travelling to others, as we call ourselves, because they’re not getting this kind of education in schools and colleges. So the common frog to us huge conference gatherings and huge people who pride themselves in front explicitly with new age. So how much are they? How many people are actually practising something like yoga or meditation? And it’s not a small percentage 15% Can you believe it? And this is what made us again, optimistic, okay, there is 15% we can work towards enlarging this can it be 30% by 2050. And we believe that a client of education would have started and formative education, we can easily easily reach the goal of 30% more towards consciousness and orientation towards the expansion inclusion will grow will grow and humanity will have a substantial number that cannot be ignored, that cannot be denied, whose voice would have an impact on the educational system on the social systems. So we are kind of Yes, very optimistic. Initially, there was a flop because of course, that was not true initial assumptions. But then we realise that there are really a polarisation much deeper than democrat republicans are political polarisation or religious versus materialist. Those propositions are there of course, but the real polarisation that is important is we have 15% people who are into awakening and then 85% of people who are completely in that base level human condition almost completely, but there is gradually a transition from one to the other. In other words, we number 15% is increasing the number 85% is how quickly make this happen depends on how many emissaries of this new person, we can create by educating, concentrating on this 15% not wasting it on the 85% because they are extremely difficult to reach. For us the thing is that they cannot get the message precisely because what you already identified that how can we change these people? No, we cannot change these people overnight. It’s not possible. Those people we can encourage, there will be huge enthusiasts to keep to hear us and tune to us because they feel our love. But as soon as they go out of our sphere, the other stuff will take over and they will forget complete. They cannot be persuaded to continue, which is meditation, you got distracted and you have to have this 50% for doing that. And so by realising that, okay, so wastage to concentrate on those people. Concentrate on these people and work for them.
And of course, let me go also to the practical question. Now what’s happening now, actually, I have even friends or people that I know, which are part of this 50%. But somehow even more interesting enough, you know, the some of them because of the what’s happening in the world right now, still, they are very much affected, and even some of them die, you know. So this is also something interesting to see. So there is a very interesting game of things in the world, we have to see what is there and we need to be responsible and become human. And also the fingers that in the middle of the sufferance, we need to become human, which means that give your hand and I’ll give a hand to whoever is there and manifest, give something stop giving, instead of keeping the face to yourself, which is the tendency based on fear and contraction and anxiety, that giving whatever you can a piece of bread, money or smile, or something good and just don’t go into the isolation mode completely. Because that’s the tendency there you know, people are afraid, vaccinated, they’re afraid of unvaccinated the other way around, also know. So it’s all these things, which is dangerous, of course, right? But eventually, we’ll get out of this, but let’s see how many kind of
absolutely, My battery is gonna run out. I’m gonna plug it in very quickly, one moment. Beautiful that was close, it was flashing saying this about the shutdown. So before we wrap up the show, I always ask a question, and I’d love you both to answer it. If if there’s anything, and essentially is, with everything we’ve covered today. Is there anything you want to leave the listeners to ponder on? And I’ll start with you first time Amit. Yeah, of course, the question. With everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?
Okay, so the fundamental thing that we discovered in the while writing the book, is that pain is actually a wonderful instrument, but not for the reasons people put it up. It’s a wonderful instrument, not because it’s, it does computing in a wonderful way, much better than artificial, intelligent patients in some ways. That is there. And that is good. But that’s not his forte. It is true that as a brain physiologist, that is given to us is very limited physiology because of Newtonian conditioning, survival conditioning that took place throughout for millions of years of evolution. budget is also true that the potentiality of brain and brain that our ancestors worked with to some extent, is already the way that it has been codified. Even that 45 potentiality is already better than what most people are aware of. And we can discover this what is already available much quicker than we discovered the rest of it, which requires much more creative work. So what we discovered is it’s all supposed to be emotionally intelligent, to balance this negative emotional tendencies, even with just a bigger awareness of what we already have in potentiality. It does not require that much of work except some meditation, some creativity, some engagement with the emotions, to try to balance, some desire, we call it intention, intention to transform, I want meaning and purpose in my life. I want to be aware of feelings in the body. And this thing is just few things. Making that part of the affirmation can make huge changes. And of course, everybody talks about neuroplasticity today. So what is neuroplasticity, but the change in software that we do with this app and it is not difficult to do because that has that potential it is already there in our collective unconscious. So you have to make a little bit of effort because we have to go from the personal to the collective unconscious and we have to make that happen. In the unconscious, but due to conscious efforts as well. So we engage in creativity, it’s a process of do and be a process of conscious and unconscious. And that’s how we affect the unconscious through our conscious efforts. This is the process, it’s simple, it’s doable, and many of us are already doing it including all three of us. And for our viewers, our listeners can get encouragement because so many 15% are working this kind of talk that Valentin and I are presenting Are you a present? Thank you, I’m
So, um, the thing is that there is such a beauty and so much gratitude which it would be nice if we would become aware of economical all this life being in a human body you know, so, it’s truly a grace I had the I had moments when I truly was solving what a special thing is to be on earth you know in the human body and in this time, truly, and if we would learn to cultivate these kinds of circuits you know, manifest gratitude because we have so much that we are taking just for granted and they were starting from there practising gratitude for having water in the shower for having two arms for having two legs or whatever else you know, there are so many things and somehow the way we lived in the last you know, many years you know, it took us two lakh to kind of to miss these kind of things now, and even that is something which anybody can do and gradually This will bring common sense which is like a partner capacity nowadays no we cannot be lost So, much of lack of common sense as well. And then you will see that you are truly like we can actualize that oneness which otherwise we are not one you know, we are saying we are one we are not really one unless you actualize it and you actualize it force by when you become a little bit more awake you know and seeing the reality a little bit more clear than what we think is reality. But again, you start from from getting back this kind of common sense you know, and going into this modalities when you are on your side you know, and in the same way the game is I mentioned responsibility because we are we are well everything that happens with each of us is truly reflecting and influencing the situation of the world so even if you’re not the murderer per se, you know, but inside of you who knows what worse you’re fighting there with yourself you know, so it’s, it’s again quantum refers to the subtle Okay, so whatever happens in the sector level even if you may spiking in the outside but if there are still wars to fighting within you know, just get to that state of peace and be on your side no manifest this courage to be on your side and then of course, that will manifest for the others as well. Okay. And there you
have it manifest to be on your side that’s so true. Guys, I just want to say thank you do you got quantum brain the book is available I’m assuming on Amazon and they could purchase it from there. And I’ll make sure there’s links in the show notes as well for anyone listening to this composite they’ll be able to click through to your website below. And I’ll also go head over towards the book as well but you just say the website loads as well just for the order people audio where’s the best
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for sure that in as well. And I just want to say thank you so much for being on the show today. You guys rock stars, and it was an absolute privilege to have you both together like this and have this conversation and I’d really hope it would bring more awareness in the future as well. So thank you for all that you do. Wonderful, so wonderful to be with you. Thank you.