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Aaron:
Don’t be afraid to break a cycle. Don’t be afraid to break a pattern. Don’t be afraid to change your habit. Don’t be afraid to step into your truth and your purpose because the world needs us and the world needs people like you to be able to make a change. And if you can do that, that will ripple on to many people around you.

Guy:
Hey guy here, and it is cold, as you can tell. Welcome to my podcast, by the way, and I’m actually in the beautiful Abbott food convent in Melbourne. We are about to run our full one day workshop and advanced workshop. We’re gonna be getting into some advanced energy healing techniques. We’re gonna be clearing chakras, we’re gonna be doing sound journey.

I look, I’ve caught Matt working in the background today. He’s setting up his sound gear now. It’s good. We’ve got over a hundred people coming. It’s gonna be a phenomenal day. Anyway, I just, uh, remember to record the intro. Uh, my beautiful guest is Aaron Schultz this week, who’s a legend, and we get into his own awakening journey, but not only the work he’s actually doing here in Australia, he’s extremely important and he’s actually supporting, uh, mental health for men.

Uh, even though this podcast with your male or female is very relevant. And the one thing I wanna reiterate as well is that. This work and these conversations are not only. Uh, helping people’s lives, but they can be saving people’s lives as well. So if these conversations resonate, please be sure to share it around and make sure you go and check out Aaron’s work as well.

’cause he, he’s a legend and what he is doing here in Australia is fantastic and I wanted to bring as many eyeballs, uh, to his work and awareness as possible. So please be sure if you’re watching this on YouTube, let me know. Where you are in the world and what you got outta this podcast as well. And, and if you know people struggle and please be sure to target or share it with a loved one or friend as well.

Uh, we gonna be in New Zealand. We are gonna be, where else are we gonna be? Matt? Hobart. We coming to Tasmania? Tasmania, we coming to Perth, Croatia, we are out there. We getting out there. So, um, come and join us. Links are below. There’s lots of stuff there below to help support you on your own journey. But most importantly, take action. Get amongst it. Sitting on the sidelines doesn’t change anything. Much love from me. Enjoy this podcast with Aaron and here’s to an epic day in Melbourne Abbotsford Convent

Guy:
Aaron, welcome to the podcast.

Aaron:
Thank you so much, uh, guy, really, uh, really grateful to be here with you. I’ve been loving your work for quite a while and, uh, yeah, feel really honored to be part of it.

Guy:
I appreciate it mate. It’s nice to be, have the role reversed ’cause I, I was on your podcast when we first connected, God, it must have been almost two years ago now, I would reckon something like

Aaron:
I think so. Yeah. Yeah, a wonderful podcast too. A lot of people, uh, listen to that and got some wonderful feedback.

Guy:
Yeah, and we’ll mention it now ’cause we always mention it at the end, but I just, the outback mind. Right. Check it out. Get amongst it. Yeah.

Aaron:
yeah. At Bat Mine Foundation’s a charity. I started a few years back to try and, um, help elevate men’s consciousness, um, which is a, a challenge and a journey as you know. But, uh, but as we know, um, we’ve got so much potential as humans and as men, but we start to open that up and make that normal. Then hopefully more people will gravitate towards, you know, being their best self.

Guy:
When you, uh, at an intimate dinner party then, and when people ask you do for a living, then you respond with that. ’cause you almost answered it for me, which is great. How do people generally react?

Aaron:
Yeah. Um, so pretty much the, you know, the answer to that is I’m, I’m, I’m really a healer. That’s, that’s my role in this lifetime. But my, my primary focus is to try and help men heal, uh, to give them the, the education and the tools to be able to start to, you know. Be curious and question and start to open themselves up to what’s possible rather than just being the, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, all the stuff we’re, we’re meant to be.

Um, it’s actually opening ourselves up to what’s possible for us as humans at the end of the day. And, um, I’ve seen some wonderful transformations with people over the journey. You know, men in prisons, men, um, uh, you know, that are. Performing at a high level, level athletically, uh, from just the average man on the street to give them the tools to start to, you know, practice, um, you know, self connection and self-awareness again. And, and that’s been, uh, a real joy. But we’ve still got a lot of work to do.

Guy:
Yeah. No, it’s fantastic. And, and I know like from speaking off, you’ve been on one hell of a journey. You’ve grew up with your own traumas, your own spiritual experiences, and then you kind of was in the system for a while, as I think you framed it at one point. Then you woke up and then had a Kundalini awakening and all these different, so there’s a lot there.

Right. And that’s brought you to what you’re doing today and I’m, I’m really keen to dive into that. And I, I’m curious, like why men, like, I, I, I’m, I feel like I’m heart centered. Like you and I, I’m running retreats and I, I just want to get the work out there to help people that are ready to step into it, because we both know how life changing it is.

Right. And, um, and I, I’ve just opened it up and so I’m, we have men and women, but funnily enough, 70% generally that come are women and 30% of the men that are courageous enough to be in the group come and, and. Have a phenomenal response generally, you know, but, um, so I’m curious from your own journey, like is it from what your, your childhood experiences, what, like what’s led you to wanting to work with men and why you’re, you’re getting out there.

Aaron:
Yeah, appreciate that. Good question. I guess when I was a young boy, I had some pretty positive male role models, so, um, you know, you and I have talked about my dad and I believe my dad was what we call a Blu-ray star sea. Just a, a beautiful soul that was really conscious and connected and kind and compassionate and lived life from that high vibration.

Uh, he got sort of stuck and sucked into the third dimensional world. Um, and my grandfather on my mother’s side was very similar. Just a beautiful, kind, compassionate man. So that was my observation of, um, of what a man’s meant to be like as a, as a young boy, I had some traumas as a young fella. You know, you might, you might call Sam Scars, where I had a brain tumor removed.

I was in hospital for a long time, um, as a, as a young boy. Um. And I believe my mom had postnatal depression, which we’ll probably talk about later. But, um, um, I saw that, uh, you know, as being, um, really the way we’re meant to be as humans. Like really, you know, centered, grounded, compassionate, kind. You know, that’s, that’s really the essence of life, I believe.

And, um, when I was 14, um, uh, well, I basically observed, you know, male masculinity as being around the footy club and the creek club, drinking and that type thing. And I, I sort of had the awareness that I didn’t wanna behave like that early, but, um, I got pulled into it. And, um, I remember being at a, at the local career club one night and one of my dad’s best friends, um, abused me. And, um, uh, that really hit my heart.

Guy:
you say abuse, like verbal abuse, violent abuse, like what, what,

Aaron:
Uh, it was verbal abuse to say that you are gonna grow up to be a dickhead like your old man. In, in Australian language. And um, um, you know, just out of the blue he was, you know, probably intoxicated. So I went home and talked to my parents about that and they sort of dismissed it. Um, and the next day he’s around at my place drinking beer with my dad.

So, um, I was really hoping my, my dad would step up and stand up for me then and there. But being the individual that he was, he, he probably didn’t. Feel like he wanted to cause conflict, but as, as I mentioned underneath, um, you know, his persona was a beautiful, kind soul. And he was, um, trapped, uh, uh, around masculinity, which was maybe you may say toxic, which was sort of, you know, around the sport, the drinking culture and that type thing.

But he was always able to mainly calm presence throughout all that. Um, and I guess, you know, I, I lost. I lost hope as a, as a young boy or what, you know, a male and a man’s supposed to be like. So that really drove me as a young fella to maybe do what I can to be able to help men, um, change the way that we, uh, behave in this lifetime.

Because, as you know, in western society, I don’t think we’re actually doing it that well. We’re really connected to our, to our, our job. What do we do for a living? That’s our identity. Um, you know, we suppress our emotions with alcohol and drugs and all different sorts of things, but none of us really dial into who we really are underneath it all, you know?

And I believe I had that awareness. Um. As a young fellow, but I got, I got pulled into the, into the rubbish too. And, um, uh, I, I had a download, um, when I was 15. Um, I questioned life and I basically, you know, I was asking myself and, uh, with the guide from others, what’s what it’s really about. And I was sitting quietly one day and my guides come in and said, you’ve gotta go through this suffering so you can come out the other side and, and know what it’s really like.

Guy:
That download. I just wanna explore that to the sec. Were those voices clear? Like when, when that energy came in and when you speak about the guides, like

Aaron:
Yeah. Uh, absolutely. I, I, I believe, um, without even knowing it, and I’ve only just sort of come to realize this over the last, you know, few years, um, of these, these voices that come in when, when they need to, um, when I’m asking for guidance, um, at, at it comes in and that there’s a moment where I actually asked.

And, and that came in beyond the mind. It was just, you know, uh, uh, uh, an awareness and observation, which I’d never experienced before, but just it was like a heart hitted communication that, that that came through. And, um, you know, if I look back, I’ve had that experience, you know, throughout the whole journey ever since. And it still happens.

Guy:
did that make you feel as a 15-year-old, knowing that your life ahead of you is gonna be suffering? If you’re hearing that, like did it help you prepare for it or was it like, oh shit, now what?

Aaron:
Yeah, good question. Absolutely. I, I felt, um, confident that, that I was going to come out and, and through this. So then I got a number that was going to be 40 when, um, you know, after I’d gone through all the experiences to say, well, you’re free now to, to move, move, move on. Um, and it really, really started to change at 37.

That’s when things started to move, because I kept getting sucked back into the vortex of the heaviness all the time. Um, you know, blocking out my, um, my spiritual awareness through work, through, um, you know, uh, drinking that type thing to, to suppress how I really felt without actually really opening myself up.

But it took that, that moment where I decided. Now’s the time I’ve gotta do something because I had children as well. And that was a motivator to say, you’ve gotta step into your truth now. And, um, and that’s, uh, something that which I’d notice a lot of guys aren’t, are brave enough to do, to really take that leap into the next stage because that’s really tapping us into our truth and our, our potential in this lifetime.

And know it’s really sad that, um, that a lot of us don’t, um, you know, ever get to that point. But I think it’s our job to be able to help people, you know, get to that stage where they can be. Trusting enough to move forward and and take that leap? For sure.

Guy:
Hmm. Didn’t you have a friend that committed suicide as well at that? At what age was you when that happened as well? Because what I get the sense of feeling you growing up within a lot of trauma, a lot of trauma within the family, you know, and we don’t, at that age, we just don’t realize how much it’s affecting us as adults. We don’t connect the dots.

Aaron:
Yes. Yeah, correct. Um, it’s a really interesting guy. Um, you know, I took the journey, um, to work in the mental health space as a, as a young man outta school. Um, and I really wanted to try and help people through that lens. But as you know, when you work in that sort of system, it’s very suffocating and you can’t really, you know, um, work your truth.

So. Um, back in those days we used to train people in hospitals. Um, so, you know, mental retardation nurses and psych nurses got trained in a, in a clinical setting in a hospital and they got paid. Um, and you know, one night we’re at the nurse’s home, um, which was wonderful as a young fella being able to be in that environment.

But, um, we actually, um, we smoked a little bit of marijuana back then and, um, it wasn’t something that I really wanted to do, but it was just the thing. And, uh, my mate, Damien. Um, beautiful kid, beautiful soul, you know, just dropped me off one night, um, after that and he just said, as I’m talking to death, I put my hand in his shoulder and said, you’ll be right, mate.

And I walked inside, but I had this strong gut feeling underneath that there was something that matter. And as a young, you know, 22-year-old. I, I, I had the knowing, but I didn’t act on the knowing, if that makes sense. And I went to bed and I had this feeling that was just arising. And I called the police the next morning and they told me that he drove his car, shave his head, pulled a shotgun out and, and a tatar and, um.

Yeah. And that sort of hurt me deeply. But we had to suppress that again. We had to go to the police talk about, you know, what had happened. Um, go to his funeral, um, move through that and just move on with life without actually diving deep into the, um, uh, into that, um, that, that, that moment and that trauma, you know, uh, which, uh, which unfortunately we’re very good at in society is to be able to, you know, push things aside and not deal with it.

So, you know, many years later, um. I’m sitting in meditation and Damien came in and he said, you gotta get out and help the men. So get out there and do more to be able to help guys. Um, because, you know, I believe obviously, uh, his particular situation could have been avoided. Um, if he had have had the tools and the awareness, um, without feeling, you know, bad enough that he had to go and take that action. And then sadly, in Australia we have, you know, seven men a day, which do that.

Guy:
Seven men a day are committed suicide right now.

Aaron:
Yes. And, um, you know, I, I guess I’ve played a role in, in reducing that with the work that we do. Uh, but my real passion and and purpose in this lifetime is to really help heal. You know, to, to move, um, people towards that state of self-awareness and healing. So the heavy lifting that goes with the suicide prevention is hard work.

Um, a lot of the money in Australia gets focused downstream, but there’s no upstream education. You know, I believe as, as you do. If we can start to get people connected again, then we are gonna potentially, you know, reduce a lot of risk moving forward.

Guy:
How do you, because, um. I think it’s a good time to mention about what your mom shared as well before she passed with you and I, because I, I feel like they all started to connect the dots and paint a picture on why you are doing what you’re doing. And had you started the foundation at that point when your mom had, when you when you learned that from your mom and when she passed?

Aaron:
Interesting. And I’m very happy to share this ’cause I think it’s important. Um, my mum was a, a, a beautiful human being, you know, um, but obviously it had some form of traumas as a young person. She drunk alcohol, smoke was the life of the party, that type thing, you know? Um. And I was living in Tasmania at the time.

Uh, she got quite sick. Um, went into hospital. I went to see her. Um, and uh, there was a man sitting at the side of the bed and, uh, she just introduced him as being a, a, uh, a friend of my cousin’s from Adelaide. And, um, I said, yeah, okay, no worries. And the next day I went back and saw her and she said, look, um, uh, that guy that was sitting here yesterday, uh, wasn’t who you thought it was.

He’s actually your brother. Um, so she, uh, explained to me that when she was a young girl, she was raped by six men, uh, in the Horsham train station where I’m from, uh, farming community. Um, obviously, you know, um, has its challenges. Uh, and uh, she had a baby from that episode, um, which was adopted out. Um, and she went into a shame cycle, obviously, uh, you know, not telling anyone.

The only people that knew were, um. Uh, her parents and, and my uncle. And, um, and that got suppressed, you know, for 60 years of her life. Uh, and yeah, I knew at that time guy that I was already on the journey. Um, I could have went into anger or I could have went into compassion. I went into compassion because I knew I.

If mum had have had the tools, she would’ve not been, not, not put herself in that situation. But also those guys, if they had the awareness, they wouldn’t have potentially acted on, you know, a situation like that. So I knew then that it was my job to be able to help reduce risk for women, but also to be able to help guys, you know, raise their self-awareness.

So they’re actually more emotionally literate. ’cause we’re not taught emotional literacy in modern society. We’re taught to be really unconscious of how we’re feeling and, um, you know, that. It plays out in many ways, you know, through self sabotage, through external behaviors and so forth as well. And it’s literacy, which we don’t get taught at school.

You know, we, we get the education to support the economy, but we don’t get the education to really be conscious of ourselves. So, so that really moved me forward. I was, um, already practicing Buddhism at the, uh, the local Buddhist center. Uh, and that gave me the ability to be able to move into that compassionate space a lot easily.

A lot more easily. And, um, that really gave you the ability to be able to see mum, um, you know, with, uh, with a different set of eyes and really be, um, be compassionate to her, but also be compassionate to the individuals. And, you know, unfortunately we see situations like that happen, uh, still to this day.

Um, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of, um, neglect with the way that we treat women. So, you know, with the charity that I started, uh, part of our, um, duty and obligation is to be able to help, um, reduce risk of domestic and family violence and sexual violence by educating men. And that’s, that’s hard work, but I think we’re having a, an impact.

Guy:
Yeah. Thank you for sharing all that. Um, fuck. Um, do you feel that, and I don’t wanna get into anything kind of, um, what’s the word, conspiracy or anything like that, but I always get the sense is like, is it. Purposely not educated in a way because we’re much more easy to do the jobs, do the job roles, unconscious, unaware of the possibility of something greater, connect and, and then when people are leaning into anything, this connection is always wrapped in a religion that has some form of structure and I guess human doctrine that’s gone through it all anyway.

And you know. Do you feel that the world is changing right now, that this awareness is gonna be like, are people purposely doing it, UNP purposely doing it, they’re just not aware of themselves. You’ve got unconscious people creating an unconscious system to educate in and like, what are your thoughts on all this after being out there amongst everyone?

Aaron:
Yeah, appreciate that. I, I, I certainly worked in the system at a high level just to get a bird’s eye view of how it really works. And, uh, when we, um, you know, when we dive into the truth, we get squashed really quickly. I. So, you know, I see people that are, that are working in that space, you know, for financial benefit and that type thing, but really their souls are being taken away.

Um, I I, I, I truly believe we’re in a unique moment in time between now and 2032 as a, as a major shifts occurring. Um, more people that are, you know, quite asleep is starting to be curious and wake up. And there’s been obviously evidence of that over the last five years with the fear. Um, that’s been driven into society and people are sort of saying, well, hey, you know, maybe we don’t need to participate in this if we don’t want to.

And, um, I I think there’s, uh, there’s, there’s, there’s, there’s a major, you know, major change occurring, you know, right now. So we’re, we’re in these bodies at this time, you know, for these reasons. You know, to be able to halt space for people to be able to give people the ability to be able to feel themselves again.

To get outta what we call the red zone of the fear and the shame and the guilt, and the greed and the apathy, and move to the high vibrations like my dad was in constantly compassion, kindness, gratitude, love, joy. I. You know, just, just being grateful to be alive and the gift that we’ve actually got, because we’ve been really suppressed from that gift.

And as you know, when we get into a flow state, we’re really, um, we’re in this beautiful paradigm, um, which is available to all of us. And, and, and, you know, I believe it’s, it’s your and I passion. To be able to help people to connect with that. And I think if we can do more of that, people start to become a bit more aware of what’s possible for them, and then we start to improve outcomes.

You know, the whole mental health system and so forth is really, you know, lukewarm. It’s not doing what it needs to do to be able to get people to a high vibration. It’s keeping people in a low vibration for a reason. And there’s a lot of talk now about it being a broken system, but also that broken system’s beautifully designed.

You know, and we’re actually starting to be more aware of that now that it’s actually been designed that way to keep people dumb, do hole and compliant. Um, but people aren’t, aren’t having to play that game anymore. You know, we can start to move through it.

Guy:
Why 2032?

Aaron:
Yeah, look, if you look at the, um, um, the, the ancient scripts and so forth, and even, even, you know, Kundalini yoga and the Sikhs talk about it, um, I believe there’s, um, there’s been various scriptures which have been written about, um, um, you know, uh, a major change between the Aquarian age and, and this period now.

Um, and. Coming from a farming town, if you had to try to explain this to me 20 or 30 years ago, I would’ve, you know, not listened. But now it’s, it’s, it’s very logical to me that, um, there’s a huge energetic shift happening in this planet. And, um, you know, the numbers that have been given as sort of 2020, uh, 20 30, 20 32, and, um, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s some major, major changes going on and people are starting to be, you know, more conscious.

So there’s still gonna be the fear that’s gonna be constantly tried to drive. Driven, uh, to be driven down to, to keep us, you know, um, um, you know, unconscious. But I think more people are starting to gravitate towards the healing work and the, you know, the, the things that they can do within themselves to be able to get them on the journey.

And, um, you know, from a male’s point of view, as, you know, it’s very hard to get people to, or to get men to, to be curious about this. But I think we’re, we’re in a really important moment in time where. We just need to be able to open the spaces and hold the spaces for, for guys to be able to get back to feeling themselves again.

Guy:
Yeah, it is definitely changing. It’s interesting, I yesterday had, um, a video call with a gentleman that came on to do a video testimonial for us. ’cause long story short, we’ve been doing retreats and. Introductory four, our workshops. Right. As you know. And we, for the first time in Sydney, we did an advanced four hour, ’cause we’ve had enough momentum to invite people that have already been leaning into the work to come back as a group and take it one step further.

’cause as you know. Whenever holding space, the first thing you need to create is a sense of safety, isn’t it? And people feel held. And when you bring a room full of strangers together, it be can be quite intimidating. So in four hours, you can only go so far, obviously as you introduce the work and so forth.

But we did this advanced workshop called Awaken Your Chakras. And it was, yeah, I says, long story was incredible. It was beautiful, and we actually had some real tangible experiences. But I was recording a video with a guy yesterday who came, has been working with us for a while, and he was from a blue collar background, and he’s like, I’m sitting here talking about chakras and how they’ve affected me emotionally and things.

And it’s like, if this is possible for me, so the guy in his fifties, it’s possible for anyone. And he said, actually, what surprised me the most was that I. Been telling my mates that I’ve been on this journey and they’ve actually been open to listening as opposed to just shutting me down. ’cause he mates, you know, very in the physical footy beer, that environment Right. As we, as we know. And I was like, wow, that’s amazing. So may maybe things really are starting to shift and people are becoming more and more open to it.

Aaron:
I, I, I agree. Um, you know, some of the most wonderful work that I’ve done is I’ve taken a FL clubs, um, to winning apprenticeship by, um, giving them the ability to be able to open their body through in yoga, um, which has helped their nervous system settle down. And these guys are meditating before games.

You know, they’re going out on the field calm rather than amped up. And obviously the results are taking care of themselves ’cause they do the work of training. That, um, that gave me the ability to be able to, you know, feel confident enough that there’s, that there’s the ability to be able to help people as a group to, to settle in rather than the separation and that type thing.

But most importantly, I observed this while, while working with inmates in a prison, I. Taking them through in yoga practices and also meditation practices and guys that are highly traumatized, you know, in this system and, and in this western culture where we’re putting more trauma on tro troper trauma.

You know, and I, I’ve, I’ve challenged the justice system on numerous occasions to say, we need to be able to help these guys learn to heal. If we want to create better societies, again, the system is about trying to keep people, um, you know, in fear and in control. And, you know, the incarceration system is a, a money generator at the end of the day.

So we’ve gotta start to really look at things differently and, um, you know, I’ve seen a frequency, I. In the room, uh, when guys are, uh, are grounded and centered and connected, um, where I’ve seen us all being one rather than just separate individuals. You know, you know what it’s like when we’re, when we’ve got a sense of calm and peace in a, in a space, just what, uh, what that feels like. And when you can see a lot of agitated minds get back to feeling centered again, it’s absolutely blissful and beautiful and uh, and that’s the frequency that I really love to work with.

Guy:
Yeah, it’s incredible, isn’t it? Like when did you start joining the dots for yourself then with trauma ’cause and freeing you up? And because you mentioned about the physical aspects of the body as well, which I’m keen to get into in, in a moment because you know, when you think back, like I look back upon even my generational trauma, I.

That’s been coming through, like it’s proven. I, I think science proves that genetically it can be passed down seven generations. So it’s not uncommon GBA speaks, but it’s not uncommon if you had grand great grandparents in a prisoner of war camp or feeling lacked, that you’ll actually be. Uh, that will be in your DNA in your genes, and you can be feeling that, that that scarcity, even though you didn’t gone through all the horrors of what were presented. Right. So when I think about, like you sharing about your mom’s story and, you know, the, the upbringing, the suicide, all these things, the body’s remembering it, isn’t it? And

Aaron:
Big time. Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting because my, my grandfather was, my, on my dad’s side was gassed in the first World War, and, and he got out and he came home and obviously that sort of filtered down and, and dad probably suppressed a lot of that too. Um, so, so for me, guy, um, it was coming through the, the system and then sort of going to that point of, um, wanting to change in my late thirties.

And that just was a traditional, masculine way of, you know, of pushing the physical body. Uh, and then, you know, really starting to get back to filling my masculine potential. So, you know, getting quite strong and fit and then the ego kicking in and saying, well, you can compete, you can do all these wonderful things.

Did all that. Um, then I got offered a, a role to do some work with some professional athletes, a Tasmanian cricket team. And we had, you know, uh, Australian players playing, um, a high, high level athletes. And, um, I was doing some work with them where I was pushing them, but I, I, I knew that I was fitter and stronger, you know, in many ways, um, because I’d done the work and, um.

There was a couple of guys that really were at the level and, and we sort of challenged each other, but after a while I realized that all the work needed to be done above the shoulders with these guys. You know, this is back in 2012. So I was curious about meditation then, because I know when I pushed my body hard, I got into a flow state and that flow state helped my mind settle.

You know, I got me back to a sense of lucidity and fluidity again, you know, which is, um, our, our really a, a beautiful state to be in, in a natural way of feeling, but. You know, to, to have to push myself through all the trauma to get there, um, was a lot of work. So I was probably, uh, un unwinding a lot of the wounds, which were, you know, personal but also intergenerational through that practice wasn’t, I went until, that wasn’t until I went to the Buddhist center, they maybe sit still.

That’s when the real shit started to happen, you know, because you can’t avoid, you’ve gotta be with yourself and you’ve gotta be able to sit with whatever it is that’s coming and lots of stuff come over, you know, sitting on a cold floor for hours and hours and hours and, um. You know, they, they gave me the ability to be able to, to, to understand the mind, work with the mind, uh, and be curious about, you know, myself and my own journey, but also be compassionate for myself and also be compassionate for the lineage.

Um, which had taken a lot of stuff. And, um, IGRA gravitated out of that. And I started, um, uh, learning the physical practice of yoga. And then I got curious about the physical practice of yin yoga and yin yoga’s about holding the body open for long periods of time to release the fascia. And you know, the first thing I wanted to do was get up and run out.

Because, uh, because primarily, you know, you’ve gotta face yourself and, and the physical body for myself, uh, was quite tight as it is with most men. You know, where we’re not connected with our bodies, we’re connected above the shoulders consistently. So, um, so to be able to dive deep into that, into that trauma, into that fear through the physical body.

’cause there’s a lot of stuff coming out. A lot of stuff gets stored into the hips. Start opening that up, then it just opens a world of emotions and tears start coming and so forth too. So I saw the power in that, you know, and, uh, that took me on the journey to becoming a, a, a, uh, a hathi yoga teacher first and then into the, uh, the yin.

So I got really deep into the yin and trained with some wonderful teachers throughout the world with that. But then, um, the Kundalini yoga, um, came into my life and, um, that really. Elevated me to universal consciousness rather than just the third dimensional consciousness, if that makes sense.

Guy:
Let’s go there. How would you describe the universal consciousness And open it up to it. How did that Kundalini teaching open you up to that? Describe, like, describe it.

Aaron:
Yeah. So, so through the fitness, um, you know, I, I was always training early in the morning between three and 6:00 AM and as I know now. Yeah, they’re the ambrosial hours. So I’d go running in the dark, um, just be completely in tune with my senses, but I was connected to the stars, if that makes sense to, and, uh, that gave me the ability to feel like I did when I was a kid.

Again, I was just in this joyous state, a beautiful joyous state, you know, running around and, and just feeling free. And I’d get home, um, you know, and I’d sit in meditation after that and, um, um, basically I just felt like I. Pure and clean and and whole, uh, and then had to go back into the third dimensional world again.

But my frequency was so high that it gave me the ability to, um, to, you know, move through a lot, a lot easier. Um, so I did my first, uh, haha yoga teacher training and, uh, we did a, um, a pretty te intense, um, two and a half hour practice of Asana one morning, like, uh, nonstop. And I was lying in Shavasana and just completely unexpectedly, um, energy. Just exploded from the base of my spine and shot up the spine out the top of my head.

Guy:
How were, were you nervous at that point? Sorry. Did it

Aaron:
I was completely, I was completely feeling, um, I’d, I’d let go and surrendered, if that makes sense. I just surrendered because before we did that, that practice, I’d been out on a run. So I got up at three in the morning, went for a run around Sydney, and then came into the practice at, um, whatever it was, four 30 or five o’clock in the morning.

Um, two and a half hours of us. So I was very fit, but then the Kundalini woke up and um, I just. Uh, I just, uh, you, you, you would know what this like, and I’m sure some of the listeners would as well. It’s just like you’ve, you’ve been released. You know, you’ve just had this, this release and all this energy in your body is working, you know, in this fluidity and frequency, which is really attached to, um, the, the, the beauty of the universe, I guess at the end of the day, and I really didn’t have a clue.

The, um, the instructor, we had a wonderful, um, you know, instructor that was taking us through our, our first 200 hour training, and he sort of knew what had happened. Um, but from that moment, my life changed pretty well forever. Because I knew, um, you know, what our potential is as humans and I could see and feel life differently from then.

And, um, you know, when I get into that flow state, a lot of people, like my mate Trevor, Andy calls it the effortless effort. You know, when you start doing things and you’re not thinking and you’re just in this frequency and flow, it’s incredible how you feel. And that’s, that’s what the Kline Awakening actually gave me to work with that flow and, um.

Moving into becoming Kole aga teacher. Um, I wasn’t really connected with, with, with wanting more of that. It was more about, okay, what can we do as humans to be able to, to awaken ourselves and now move energy through the body and, and chant and do these wonderful things which we’re, we’re not taught to do.

Guy:
Do you feel that that happened just in divine timing? Were you chasing it or were you just on this exploration of self? ’cause I feel so many people, um, are spiritually bypassing and chasing the experiences or, or are not dealing, wanting to address the traumas and the things that actually need to be dealt with. And then these things take care of themselves when they’re ready. Right?

Aaron:
Yes. Yep.

Guy:
Where were you

Aaron:
what happened. Yeah, that’s exactly what happened. I, I was never chasing staff. I’d never taken mushrooms, never taken asset, or any of the stuff that most people do or gone to an ayahuasca never really been down that path at all. Um, so I was in New York one day and I was just walking down a street and I felt this energy just pulled me back.

Um, and then into, uh, a yoga studio up this flight of stairs, and this woman in white floated across the room and said, oh, hey, I’m, I’m such and such. Um, most women in Kundalini yoga have the surname Kerr, and men have the surname Singh. So this lady’s name was such and such Kurt, and she said, um, you know, we have a sudden in the morning, would you like to come back?

And, and I know I, I, I know what it’s like to connect at that moment, um, you know, of the morning that time in the morning. So I went back, uh, we went through careers, breath work, um, chanting meditation. And sound frequency with gong. And at that end of that session, I, I felt like I was vibrating, you know, like nothing I’d ever experienced before.

And I, I just, I just felt incredibly amazing. So my son and I were in New York. New York. He was 15 at the time, 14 or 15. And I. And, um, I just said to him, mate, I’ve gotta go back and do this again tomorrow morning. You right to stay in bed? And he said, yep. So I went back for, you know, a week or two and kept practicing with these guys.

And I was at a place called Golden Bridge Yoga, which has, uh, been around for quite a while. And they’re, um, they’re sort of, um, very, very adept in the Kline lineage and, and the teachings. And, um, so yeah, so that happened. Came back to Australia, I thought. You know, where can I get more of this? And um, I was living in Tasmania.

There was nothing. Um, I was in Melbourne. Uh, I just went to Melbourne for a week and I was walking down, uh, high Street in Perran. Um, same thing happened, but I was on the opposite side of the road, so the masculine and the feminine side. So the left pulled backwards up these stairs. A woman in white walks along and says, uh, on such and such, we’ve got Saturday in the morning.

Would you like to come back? I said, well, there’s something fucking in this. So. Um, so basically, uh, I went back, same thing happened. Um, and within a week I’d signed up to Kini yoga teacher training, KLI yoga. Um, you don’t, you don’t just get a certificate for doing time. You gotta put the work in, you know, it’s a full, full year’s practice of, of, of, of self-discipline, of, of showing up every morning, you know, doing your sader every day and really committing to that, that, um, uh, working with that frequency. And I can tell you now. The potential we have as humans is, is untapped once we start to tap into these careers because, uh, it’s ancient wisdom, which has been going for years,

Guy:
What’s a career? Can you explain A

Aaron:
crea. Yeah, a crea primarily is a, a physical practice. So it’s a physical practice where we move energy through the body. So that could be, um, you know, we have a wonderful one called activating the 10 bodies. Um, in Kundal, any yoga, we, we talk about the 10 bodies. You know, it’s not just the physical body and the AIC body and the Pranic body. There’s, there’s a whole dimension with regards to that. So that’s an example of, you know, one career that we can work with to be able to activate.

Um, and there’s a multiple, multiple, you know, um, uh, different careers that we can work with. So the physical practices, the, the chanting, the meditation practices, which usually, um, you know, uh, utilize, you know, body parts to be able to get us to a point, uh, and that type thing.

Guy:
What’s that you do with the fingers? It’s ’cause there’ll be people on audio too. What’s that?

Aaron:
So if we, we touch our fingers, it basically activates the prefrontal cortex and it gets us outta the, you know, the thinking mind back into this again. And all of a sudden the breath starts to flow down and there’s a wonderful practice called Kitan Crea, which my teacher. Gave me, um, a to do for a thousand days and I committed to that for a thousand days and people just started to see things change in me, you know, and people would walk up and say, look, you have this aura around you.

And um, just out of the blue people would walk up and, and say, can you teach me to meditate? Um, so, you know, going back, average guy off a farm from a country town that’s. Accessing this frequency, you know? So if I can do it, anyone can do it. But, um, yeah, like doing these, these practices which get us into a vibration, um, uh, which we’re not aware of, um, is completely available to all of us. We’re just gotta, you know, commit and do the work at the end of the day.

Guy:
Yeah. And, and be okay with what comes up as we commit to doing the work. You know,

Aaron:
That’s right. Yeah.

Guy:
and the feelings and, and the, the shit pits that can start to happen and just feeling sluggish, you know, it’s all sorts, right? Like as this body’s releasing.

Aaron:
Moving it. That’s one thing that men aren’t men, men aren’t, um, prepared to do. They’re afraid to, to tap into, you know, uh, what, what’s coming up and what’s possible. That’s why we’ve been so well-trained and programmed to suppress everything, you know. Been really programmed to suppress it’s time to change that time to shift it.

And that’s our job in this lifetime is to be able to help. Well, my job is to be able to help men awaken, I guess, at the end of the day, but try and normalize it, which is hard work, but I think we we’re getting there.

Guy:
We both got podcasts, mate, and I reckon there’s quite, you know, I look at the u like the YouTube stats on my podcast and there’s probably about 70% women, but there’s men listening and, and watching these conversations for sure. You know, and um, I. Yeah, it’s great. And I, I think it’s just gonna continue moving towards this ’cause it’s, it’s a strange thing ’cause like, as you know, I feel more man than ever.

Like, even like, it’s just like I feel balanced. That feminate and that masculine energy is really kind of found its natural equilibrium within me. And knowing when to lean on which one. As it as it flows. Like I was down the CrossFit gym last night. I still love to lift weights, grunt gro, and throw my stuff around and beat my, beat my chest. Like it doesn’t take anything away from me, but it, it, it it all, it’s done is open up so much more potential within myself. That’s what I feel is

Aaron:
Same with me. Yeah. I, I was the same guy. You know, you look at the fitness being all the yang and the masculine and then having to dive into the feminine, you know, going to yoga teacher trainings where you’re one man in, in a group of 20. Um, you know, and to be okay with that because I knew it was, there was something that was trying to teach me behind it all.

You know, I thought, I just gotta work with this. What’s it trying to teach me? Let go. And just see what happens. And, um, I, I really believe, you know, if we can start to build that literacy with most males out there, then we will get somewhere, you know, because we really want people to be able to reach their potential and they don’t need the suppressants and, you know, the, um, addictive behaviors, which we, you know, succumb to.

And I might have mentioned to you a practice that I, um, I did, which was called White tantric yoga. Um, which is, you know, part of the, the Kundalini yoga limit lineage, um, where we have to sit on a mat and look into woman’s eyes for up to 12 hours. And that’s, um,

Guy:
is, so that’s a, a male has to be looking into a, like a male, looking into a female eyes. Right. Vice versa. Yeah, 12 hours.

Aaron:
Yeah, so we’re, we’re, we’re doing the eye gazing. We’re also lifting our arms up and holding it for half an hour without putting ’em down. Um, we’re still maintaining eye contact, that sort of thing.

Guy:
Do you get up for the, do you get up for the toilet or anything or in that time or,

Aaron:
They, they, they give you a few breaks throughout the day. Um, but little by little I saw my ego deteriorating and dis disintegrating and getting back to connection with my soul. And at the end of that practice, um. I know some colleagues were in that room with me and they went back and watched the footy.

Um, I went outside and I just, I just wandered the streets for, for hours and felt really connected to, to my soul self. And for months and months and months after that, I saw life through the eyes of my soul. And I saw every human being, um, the same way as being a soul and a human body. Uh, and, and looking at life from that lens.

Guy:
How would you describe that? If people have not experienced that before, like. Looking through the eyes of your, from your soul level.

Aaron:
Hmm. Think about a time when you are completely feeling centered and grounded, or you’re in a, in a place where you feel free, you know? That’s really what it is. It’s, it’s that, that moment where you can feel com complete surrender and complete freedom because, you know, through that practice, um, minute by minute, hour by hour, you’ve gotta learn to let go and surrender. And when you, you do that, you open yourself up to really what’s possible and our potential and, and the eternal being, which is behind the persona of the ego and the the self.

Guy:
What were the, the That’s amazing. That’s amazing. I. I’ve, I’ve not heard of that before. We, like, I’ve done, obviously I’ve done eye gazing and things like that, but not for 12 hours. Oh my God. And do they talk about what are the mechanisms behind it? Like why does, why is eye gazing so powerful and dissolves the ego, like you said,

Aaron:
I didn’t have a clue, to be honest. I, I was just doing that so I could pass my, uh, I couldn’t let any

Guy:
All right.

Aaron:
training. So didn’t have a clue. Didn’t have a clue what, what were to expect, uh, what it was all about while we’re doing it. Uh, I still to this day haven’t had like a lot of strong explanation around it, but I’ve just discovered since then about why and what it’s all about, because it gives us the ability to be able to see ourself in someone else, um, you know, and understand that, that, that we are all one and we are all connected.

And when you are able to do that and you see. Um, beyond the personality, beyond the ego into this beautiful, you know, soul, uh, but also see that within yourself, um, that, that allows you to understand that, that there’s so much more behind the judgments and opinions of the mind and how we’re sort of so connected to the mind, but there’s so much more to us as eternal beings, which is a hard pill to swallow for most people to understand that that’s who we really are.

Um, to be able to observe yourself as being that in its essence and understand that we’re in these bodies for a reason to learn, then we move through, and then we potentially come back again and, um, and have another experience or go off somewhere else and do something else, you know, in another, another dimension.

But, um, if you can develop that, you know, uh, understanding and and frequency, I think it makes our time more enjoyable on earth. And, uh, it gives us the ability to be able to really live, um, you know, within that, that purpose and truth of who we really are. You know, if you look at, uh, I love ancient wisdom and American Indian, Indian ancient, uh, uh, wisdom and Australia, you know, Aboriginal Wisdom, they, they have this knowing, you know.

Um, they, they can sense something that’s happened thousands of kilometers away without being told, you know, this is the stuff which has been shut down for us as humans, but once you get all this energy activated again, that’s really getting back to that sense of, um, you know, uh, intuition and instinct and that soul self. You know, if you can start to be more connected to that, then all of a sudden it’s a whole different world out there.

Guy:
Ain’t that the truth? It should. Uh, like I feared, like, uh, I’d love to hear your experiences from this. ’cause I feared that, that energy for a long time, it actually came easily to me. Like it was just something, um. I don’t know, but I dunno why, right? When I started leaning into this, it was like, holy shit, this is coming on.

And yet obviously as through that energy, there’s, there’s a movement of trauma and a release of the ego self and all that stuff that we talk about that has to almost be purified or that energy flow again and be released, right? So we get really back to. The authentic self and the body can really find its way back to its natural, healthy state. But it, it used to terrify me, mate. Like when I first leaned in, it was like, like, what the fuck is happening? You know? My third eye would open and I would be having these mystical experiences at three o’clock in the morning that I was like, people are gonna think I’m bonkers,

Aaron:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, absolutely. Um, that, that, that is our protection mechanism, which is always gonna, you know, be there to try and, um, to try and look after us at the end of the day. But if you can see that and, and, and just, you know. Talk to yourself. So you, you’re feeling, you, you’re safe here. Know that you’re safe and you’re able to have this experience because, you know, not nothing’s gonna happen to you.

You know, you’re gonna come through, uh, and open yourself up to watch what’s, you know, what’s there, rather than blocking it out or, or, you know, masking it or whatever. Um, you know, go. And that’s not our fault. You talk about seven generations that’s rolled downhill into us, you know, so it’s our job now to be able to, to really step into that, uh, and move away from that fear.

It’s easy to go into fear, you know, they’ve done such a great job to get us to feel like that. Um, if you look at seven generations past, particularly in Australia, it’s been driven by fear from day one. So, you know, we’ve gotta really start to realize there’s so much more to this, uh, than, than what we, what we, what we perceive, you know? And being able to, to step into that. Um, and that, that’s the trick for men is to be able to, okay. This is gonna be uncomfortable, but it’s exactly what I need to do. I’ve gotta, I’ve gotta put myself into discomfort so I can move through to be able to be comfortable with who I really am, uh, rather than going through life.

And, uh, and then, you know, uh, having regrets and some of the most powerful work that I’ve done as an individual too, is to work with old men at end of life and listen to their journeys and what they, what they they missed and what they, they really loved doing. And it wasn’t about the assets and the money and what they had. It was all about the wonderful things that they’d done and the experiences they’ve had with other people, you know, which were non-monetary.

Uh, they were just, um, you know, giving us the ability to be able to interact, uh, from, from our pure self again. And, um, that just gave me the ability to be able to, okay. This is really where I need to start to, to live my life from now. Look at life, uh, as being a gift and a joy, and understanding that at the end we’re going to potentially, um, you know, look back with some regrets. But, you know, day by day if we can make these little subtle changes within ourself, and that’ll mean us stepping into our fears and stepping into the, uh, discomfort.

We’d never have it mastered. I think it’s a complete journey from start to finish. You know, once we start, we, we, we start to feel we’ve got it mastered. We get a whack across the back of the head really quick. It’s about being curious and open and, and surrendering to what is, you know, as much as we possibly can, but also continually doing the work, you know.

Um, showing up, doing the workshops, doing the retreats, doing your own personal practices to be able to clear the energy and to be able to move that energy on. And, um, um, you know, we are, we are those beings that do take on energy, so we’re gonna be able to clear it. And you and I, you and I have had this conversation where we’ve done workshops and stuff for people and we carry stuff after that. If we’re not careful, that can lead us into suppression. We’re gonna be able to sweep that and move it on. And, um, it’s not common literacy to know that, but I think that’s the literacy we need to start to develop, uh, into people’s game moving forward.

Guy:
Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. No, it’s fascinating. Hey, I’ve, uh, I think, I always think of the book, the Secrets of Aboriginal Healing by Gary and Robbie Holtz. You

Aaron:
Robbie? Yeah.

Guy:
yeah. I’ve had Robbie on the podcast a couple of times, like in, you know, that first ingredient of when working with the aboriginals, they would always say, you have to have willingness. You gotta, you gotta have the willingness to go there and like. Be a hundred percent I’m in not 85 or 70 or 30. Like it’s like making that decision and going, you know what? I’m gonna go down this path. Like I made a conscious decision to know that I’m gonna break the lineage of trauma in my. For, for the generations to come.

And even my children, like, it’s no accident. I had children later in life ’cause I’d done so much work on myself before I got there. I think now looking back, you know what I mean? And um, and I see that in clearing that and really setting up, um, a, a, a legacy for the generations that, that are gonna come through now, you know?

Aaron:
Great. Yeah, that was, that was my primary driver too. But if I can help a man spark ego by saying to them that they can, um, be the, the cycle breaker I. That usually gets them on a path of curiosity. You know, because we can all break cycles, you know, there’s always improvements that we can make. You know, if my dad had have, um, been able to stand up at that moment as a 14-year-old boy, um, that would’ve, you know, completely changed his trajectory of my life.

But I, I knew I had to go down that pathway of suffering to understand really what it’s all about. But really suffering is not what life is all about. It’s meant to be about a beautiful frequency. And, and I believe the gifts that we’re given, uh, you know, are, are absolutely wonderful. We’ve just been sort of trained away from that, you know, so, so sometimes yes, the suffering is, is absolutely necessary, but you know, once we realize it’s not who we are.

We can be curious enough to move through those suffering states into a more fluid state. Uh, but it’s also being prepared to say, I’m gonna break the cycle. I’m gonna be the one that changes so my kids can be better. How many parents now are holding, homeschooling their kids? ’cause they don’t want their, their kids to go through all the suffering that system puts on us, you know, or as put on us and.

You know, I’ve seen kids that, uh, yeah. That are in a high vibration early, all the way through because they haven’t had that trauma put on them. And the, the judgements and the com, uh, comparisons, the expectations and all those types of things, which really trap us, you know,

Guy:
Mm.

Aaron:
so if you can remove that, you’ve, you’ve got, you know, a wonderful headstart to be able to, you know, really, um, see the life as a gift and, and reach your potential, I believe for

Guy:
Yeah. Amen. And it’s the company you keep, you got, you gotta put yourself around people that lift you up. Not suppress you. Right? Like it, it’s the only, I I feel it’s like literally the key component. It’s the only way you have to surround yourself with people that inspire you to do better, not justify their actions of, of why they’re not doing better and stay in that space, but actually work with you. And if you’re willing to do that and go there and, and. The things shift. I know that’s what happened with me. It’s like,

Aaron:
Yes. yeah. Yeah. And it’s just a matter of, you know, getting to that first stage and that first step, but you’ve gotta have something to motivate you to get the, get you there. You gotta have something that really what, you know, really motivates you. It might be a health problem, it might be, you know, um, something to do with your kids or whatever to say, I’m, I’m standing up here, I’m, I’m gonna.

Create the change and you know, it’s a big, big thing for a man to be able to get to that point. But, you know, we we’re so used to going downstream and waiting until a problem occurs before we actually do something. The let’s start to work upstream and arrest a problem before it possibly happens. And, you know, that’s been a trick for me, guy.

You know, I’ve had to work in heavy energy for quite a while and, um, um, you know, it’s, it’s certainly challenging and I have been able to be around the frequency of individuals that I, uh, that I. You know, I need to be around. So I’ve gotta step back into that space to have myself be more nourished moving forward.

And I think there’s been a lot of illusion around that, you know, in this country. ’cause most of the places of connection have been in the past through the Pabo, the church, you know, and that doesn’t really, I. You know, possibly give us what we need, um, you know, in, in many ways. But, um, getting, getting connected with people that are, they’re on a similar journey, that are really, really keen to be able to make those changes and break those cycles and, and, you know, have a wonderful life, I think’s very achievable for, for us.

But we’re just gonna make sure that we stay committed to that ’cause we can get pulled back into the old self really quickly, um, and into that suppressive state and that depressive state. Um, but we don’t have to be operating there. I really believe that, you know, we can, we can put a full stop on it and move forward and continually move forward if we, you know, make sure that we, um, you know, are connected personally, but also connected with the right people around us as well.

Guy:
Absolutely. So what’s next for you, mate? What you got coming up? Um, what, where are you taking all this for yourself?

Aaron:
Yeah, look, it’s a, it’s an interesting one guy, like, you know, I, um, I started this charity up, uh, to, to try and, you know, help men. Um, we, we have men’s circles operating throughout Australia, so we train local men up to, to run these, uh, circles where guys get together and they can move stuff on through communication.

Uh, I’ve seen men walk into these things and they’re completely choked up and for the first time they’ve felt safe and, and they’ve been able to, to, to, you know, talk about their experiences. Guys that have had heavy traumas, guys that have had, you know, stuff happen to them, which they’ve never spoken about before, that they’ve actually spoken to, uh, about in a room of men that they’ve never met.

You know, so I, I see that working, you know, really well. Um, but my, my passion is to be able to move out of that potentially and move more into healing spaces, so to, so to create more meditation circles so people, both men and women, can get together. Regional centers and, and we learn and we meditate together.

’cause I know when we do that and we hold space in a room, it’s so much more powerful than doing it on your own. So to normalize meditation, um, in Australia, uh, I think’s really necessary and this is the right moment in time to do it. This 25 to 30, 32 gap. To be able to get people connected with themselves, I think is really key.

So, you know, the Outback mind really wants to be able to create more meditation circles moving forward. Uh, we’ve got a men’s meditation retreat happening on Kangaroo Islands, um, in October. We really encourage any man listening to this to say, I. I’m gonna go and do something wonderful, but for one, for myself, mark, Phil and I are running it.

And, um, Mark’s a wonderful teacher. Um, you know, that’s very affordable. It’s in a pristine spot, so, you know, those sorts of things. Being able to do more retreats, uh, the domestic violence stuff, um, will potentially, you know, fade away. But we’ve made some wonderful documentaries, um, which we go out and we screen to be able to.

Provide, um, education and awareness around domestic violence, but also men’s health. Um, and, uh, I believe that’s the missing link. We’ll, we’ll have awareness days in Australia. We’ll, uh, we’ll talk about stuff, but we’re not providing education. So being a charity, we’ve find it hard to, uh, found it hard to survive financially.

But the money I have been able to raise while put back in by. Um, making films and those films are visuals where people can see themselves in them, and people walk away with that from that with an experience. So, um, the next one would be to make a meditation, um, uh, documentary around why meditation is important.

So it’s something I wanna work on in the future. Um, and we really need some financial support. So if anyone out there feels, um, you know, um. Uh, compelled about trying to help. You know, we really welcome donations, um, and, and, you know, financial support because we don’t get it and I don’t like to get it through grants or funds, uh, uh, you know, government funds.

I like to try and get it through philanthropy or donations to be able to support us to do what we do. And, um, as I said, it’s heavy lifting, but I think the lightness is starting to open up. And, um, uh, I think the more healing work that we can do, uh, moving forward, um, is really what’s needed in society. And I think this gap over the next five or seven years, it’s, uh, it’s our, our journey to be able to do that. For sure.

Guy:
Wow. Mate, good on you. You got so much going on. It’s, uh, it’s, it’s a lot, but it’s amazing mate, what you’re doing and, um, it’s fantastic and, and I have no doubt, you know, this podcast will bring a lot of awareness to all the good things you’re doing, uh, once it gets out there. So yeah, especially if people are watching this on YouTube or anything, please let us know in the comments below as well.

Um, you know, do you know somebody that is struggling? Emotionally, physically a male or even a female. But I think it’ll highlight that we are all wanting connection, that we’re all wanting to, to connect back to our hearts and souls. I really do. And I, I, I believe now is the time in history for it to be, um, to be happening. You know? If not now, then when.

Aaron:
Yeah. agree. Um, you know, it’s, it’s possible. I, I’ve seen, as I said, the most traumatized people get back to that sense of healing again. You know, um, it’s absolutely, uh, available to us all, but it needs guys like you and I, uh, to be able to, to create spaces and provide, you know, opportunities for people to, to do that and feel safe to do that. You know, that’s really key moving forward. So that’s, that’s, that’s our role

Guy:
Exactly. Can you say your website out the URL? The links will be in the show notes for everyone.

Aaron:
Yeah, so it’s um, www.outbackmind.org au. So we’re a charity. Um, if people make a donation, it’s fully tax deductible for them. Um, we really encourage, you know, um, some organizations that wanna try and help Men’s Health to partner with us. Um, and sponsor us, you know, potentially, and, and please follow us on, you know, Instagram and LinkedIn and uh, and Facebook, the Outback Mine Foundation.

Um, I just think, yeah, the more, the more awareness we can raise with regards to men’s wellbeing, the better and the more support that we can get, uh, the more people will benefit out there for sure. The more people we can reach, I think is really key and important moving forward. So.

Guy:
With everything we’ve covered today, is there anything you wanna leave? People are listening, uh, to ponder upon.

Aaron:
I certainly, um, understand that we’re in these bodies at this moment in time for a reason, and you know, we can be the change in the world that we wish to see if we’re prepared to step up into that space. You know, the gift of life, um, is untapped and unexplored and you know, if we can start to be curious about what that actually is and what’s possible for us, there’s no heaven really external.

It’s all here for us if we choose to see it. I really believe that you start to open yourself up to what’s available to you and what’s happening. Um, you know, within this natural wonderland that we’re in, um, the gift is actually here, ready waiting for us, you know, here and now. And this experience is, uh, yeah, can be a wonderful experience if we start to, you know, see through that lens.

So, you know, don’t be afraid to break a cycle. Don’t be afraid to break a pattern. Don’t be afraid to, to change your habit. Don’t be afraid to, to step into your truth and your purpose because the world needs us and the world needs people like you to be able to, to make a change. And if you can do that, that will ripple on to many people around you. So I hope this conversation has helped in some way, you know, to, to realize that, um, you know, the gift of life is, uh, is only sure lived in this particular lifetime, so let’s make the most of it together as one.

Guy:
Thanks man. I have no doubt that this conversation will, help many thank you Aaron. Thanks for everything you do my man. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

Aaron:
Appreciate it bro. Thanks so much. You’re

Guy:
welcome mate. Most presence.