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Rob:
I was in Egypt a year ago. I went to this tomb of this master being that I’ve been working with for 20 years. His name is Master Zozer, and he’s known as the top healer of all healers. And what I was taught was a soul-to-soul transmission through the eyes. There’s no processing. There’s really no words. It’s an immediate energetic recognition and activation of our true self. Instead of going up here and trying to figure it out, it takes us right into our soul, right into our heart, and we see it. We see it through our new way of looking through our eyes

Guy:
So there’s three things I want to share with you quickly. First of all, Rob is coming back to the podcast. He’s been on the podcast before. I’ll make sure there’s a link to his existing podcast, which we did a couple of years ago. It’s amazing. His story’s amazing. But today we get into a different trajectory of the conversation. The second thing I want to mention is that Rob actually takes me through a live process roughly around halfway through this episode, like 30 minutes in or whatever, like that. I recommend you listen to the entire podcast to help give you context to the process itself. But of course, you can do the process along with us as well.

Not when you’re driving, I hope. There are timestamps below this video. You can click on them if you’re on YouTube, and it will take you to the process. So you can come back as many times and do the process with us. How cool is that? And the third thing I want to mention is that during this, Rob spontaneously offers all the listeners a beautiful gift and offering, a three-part video series. Now, what I want to make clear is that there is a link below here where you click on his contact form, and then it’ll tell you what to put in there, uh, and you just email his team. There you go. So don’t email me. Don’t leave it in the comments about, “I want this and that.” Just go to the link. It’s below.

But of course, let us know what you think of all of this in the comments below and where you are in the world and all the rest of it. It’s amazing. This conversation is amazing. And Rob, in my mind, is a legend. That’s what we call people that we like here in Australia. Anyway, enjoy the show. Much love from me. I’ll speak to you soon. Rob, welcome back to the podcast.

Rob:
Thank you for having me back. I’ve, I really enjoyed knowing you and working with your people. They’re all amazing and, um, happy to share.

Guy:
Yeah, no, beautiful. Thanks for coming back on. Like I said, say in affairs, I’ve been really called to, to reach out and just reconnect because, uh, we had a fabulous response on the last episode, so if people haven’t checked it out, I’d encourage them to, uh, listen. But on for today’s topic as well, uh, you know, what my heart is feeling and wanted to open the conversation, Rob, is, um, right now in the world, when you look out as an observer in the world right now, how do you see it? How do you view it and what’s happening on this planet?

Rob:
Well, pro- probably different than most people, um, because what I know is that we’re, we’re at the end of a major cycle of human evolution. And so, you know, the end of the cycle is kind of the time to fix stuff before you roll into a new cycle. I look at the last nine years that we’re about healing and releasing and awakening and searching and all those things and trying to fix ourselves. And now we’re in a new cycle that’s about stabilizing ourself and, and going within. And so I know about cycles is everything churns at the last few minutes, before it rolls over. So I, I’m actually welcoming this energy because I know on the other side of it, it’s gonna be much different.

Guy:
How do we take advantage of that energy that you speak of? Like how, because what I, what I find is with people, um, just, just in observing and running events and retreats and stuff, we, we tend to go into default fear and overwhelm, which is natural, you know, we’ve got the, the war that’s been happening, we’ve got economic pressures, inflations, you know, real day-to-day stuff, but at the core of it all, uh, I’m like you, I’m on the same camp. There’s this, the, these shifts in energies. So it’s like how do we start to embrace it as opposed to run from it?.

Rob:
Well, a couple of things. One of the things that, um, would like to offer your audience after this, this session is, um, a recording I did from the Masters a while back that’s called Overwhelm. And it, it’s a three-part series about how to manage this energy and how to actually use this energy to our advantage. But what I know about this fear, I always call fear one of God’s greatest gifts you know, when we’re in complete denial, are we just going on day-to-day and all of a sudden something happens that creates a lot of fear, to me, it’s an action call. It’s an, it’s an opportunity to use that fear energy, which is really powerful to move forward, to get out of the past, to move into the present, and to not, not buy into it because when we do that, we’re actually buying into the world fear and we’re actually contributing to the energy of the fear versus if we use the fear to move forward, it change, starts to change everything.

And so, you know, what I, I like to look at animals because they’re smarter than we are, you know, but if you, if you see an animal and you come upon an animal, what does it, what does an animal do? It normally will freeze. It’ll sit there and what’s happening to the animal is it’s allowing the fear energy to build up into its adrenal glands so it can move, get out of the way, take off. what happens when we do that? We, we get into fear and we like pull the covers over our head and we start talking about fear. We start watching TV about fear. We get all involved in fear. And all that does is bring more fear to us, bring more fear to our energy field, bring more fear into the planet. And so I like to think of, of fear as a m- God’s motivation, God’s greatest gift you know, what happens when we’re in states of fear, we, we, if we’re, if we’re smart, we change. I mean, we look for a different way of living instead of just being stuck in it. And, you know, so that’s what this, a lot of this new energy’s about.

It’s about, you know, for years we created growth for our energy and now, now this fear is creating instability and the instability is, is an indication to me that things are shifting, moving, they’re changing. if we, if we tap into the instability and use that energy and, and start shifting into presence instead of fear, things will change pretty quickly. And so this is more about reconstruction, stabilization, uh, rebuilding and rechanging and, and, and coming back to our, our core being that we had who knows when. But, you know, in, in the, in the past, we’ve always looked at, we’ve, we’ve used the past, or we’ve used the past as an activator of the present you know, we used to revisit stuff, process stuff, relive stuff. now we’re being asked to re- re- let the, the divine presence that’s already within us, this divine presence and divine energy and divine field to let that reorganize us naturally without force. And, and it feels like force, and it kind of is because us humans have been so stuck for so long.

I mean, it literally takes dynamite to get us to move, a lot of fear to get us to move, right? And so it, it, this is not about doing healing anymore. It’s allowing the energy and the coherence of the energy to reorganize you and change you. And it’s, it’s not about effort anymore. It’s just about simply becoming an alignment of being all scattered all over the place. I don’t know if that makes sense, but what’s happening right now is, is our nervous systems are recalibrating. And, you know, we’ve been in the same state forever that, state that we were in a nervous. They called it nervous system, I think, for a reason.

You know, it’s like we’re nervous, we’re in fear, we’re in lack, we’re in all these things, we’re stuck, and this new energy is giving us a chance to recalibrate, in that recalibration, you’re gonna have a lot of physical sensations, a lot of integration, a lot of waves of emotion, a lot of big fear come up, and all these things are coming up for one reason, and that’s to let them go. And so it, it’s not, there’s nothing wrong, really. What’s happening is that we’re integrating into a much deeper level if we just allow it to be and, and, and, and become an observer of the power of this energy instead of a participant in this power, which is what people do. They get caught up in it. all that does is increases their own nervous system of allowing their divine present system to take over, which is what really is, this is all about.

Guy:
Yeah. No, that resonates a lot. And I’m certainly not immune to that fear coming up and

Rob:
Well, who, who

Guy:
Yeah.

Rob:
myself sometimes too, but then I realize that it’s a, it’s … I look at it as a gift and not a punishment. most people are looking at this as punishment, as horrible and all that stuff. And, and it, from the … If you get involved in it, it’s like, it’s like joining a fight instead of sitting back and relaxing and going, is well. I’m stabilized, I’m clear, I’m healing, I’m transfor- I’m transforming naturally.” Um, so that’s kind of what I talk about, what I like to talk about instead of talking about, “Oh my God, what’s

Guy:
Of course, yeah. I mean, what do you feel we are waking up to then? Because like, even if we just look at your journey, I remember you came on the, the podcast last time, I think it was like 2003, I think you had your,

Rob:
happening?” Yeah, yep.

Guy:
initiation into this work.

Rob:
can, you can call it that.

Guy:
right? Which we might even touch on today, because your journey, mate, when you shared that with me, like sat with me for weeks, honestly, like, uh, it, it, it’s, uh, incredible. And you speak about, you know, what you saw on the, with the beach, I believe, with the angels and things coming in and, you know, it’s like, like the veil has been lifted and, and the divine c- connection was occurring. So with us now on this planet, do you feel like we’re all, if we allow it, we’re leaning into allowing our own gifts to come online? Like what do you see the human go in as?

Rob:
that’s a great, that’s a great question. So the way I look at this, and, and this is not ego, it’s just me talking is that I went through this process a long time ago, and I’ve been doing this process for 20-some years, now I look at all the people like you and all the people I know are on the beach now. They’re on the beach, they’ve been driven to this place of desperate… I’m exaggerating, but they’ve been dr- driven to this place of desperation. They’re looking for something, instead of always looking for something, being obs- uh, you know, looking out there and go, “Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, on the beach and our chance is now to have our transformation very quickly instead of continuing, continuing, continuing.”

So to me, it’s like beach time um, letting go, maybe diving in the water for a cleansing or whatever it is, but just your heart, get into your awareness because, one of the words I hear all the time now is coherence. And to me, that’s when the body and the heart are aligned and there’s no fragmentation of that alignment and it’s stable always without presence. And when we can hit that place, which is where we’re coming to, um, so, it feels so good. It feels so smooth. It feels so relaxing. It’s, there’s no there’s lots of clarity, there’s lots of simplicity because when we’re in coherence, nothing is pulling us in different directions and we’re just right in alignment and, and we can feel the divine presence in us and around us and on the planet.

And that’s, that’s where we’re going. And that’s why it seems so intense. I mean, if you look, and I’m mutually gonna use my life as an example, so how did I get to be doing this work? I had, I faced the most intense fear and anger and all these emotions you can imagine, right? And that, that intenseness, all of that stuff that was boiling up inside of me pushed me to another place. And, and I don’t recommend my method of doing it, but it’s like when you’re in that so much energy and you’re being pushed, instead of pushing back and trying to control it, just be open to it and let it move through you move, and move out all this energy that’s been building up in the humans for a million years, right? And so I don’t know if that’s helping, but it’s like w- we’re getting to a point where, where our lives, if we can be in coherence and alignment with our divine presence, everything will change. Healing changes, our a- abundance changes, the world changes, everything changes, but right now, it’s, we’re in the mix and it’s our choice to stay in the mix or to create a different energy, which is what we’re being asked to do by this powerful energy of fear and all these things that are coming up.

Guy:
Yeah, it totally resonates, mate. And the one thing I wanna ask you off that, which I know all our listeners would be keen to hear, because there’s clearly, even we mentioned at the start, we’re looking outside of ourselves, and we’re looking at the fear, or we’re looking for the answers outside of ourselves. And I remember from your s- your journey as well, you know, y- you had to surrender, you, you let that energy flow, but then it’s like, how do we then develop the, I guess, the divine intuition to allow the synchronicities to take place, to surrender into where spirit is moving you forward? Because if I recall, there was a lot of synchronistic events or things, and you just kind of went off in the direction which you’re now doing.

Rob:
and again, I, I would ask you to look at what’s happening in the world now as synchronistic events. It’s, it’s pushing us to the breaking point

Guy:
Hmm.

Rob:
where we’re supposed to break not die, not suffer, not all that. We’re supposed to break out of our old patterns, our old thoughts, our old, all those things that we’ve been carrying around and, and simply go within and be present with what’s within you, your divine presence within you, and use that to bring peace among yourself and, and that energy out to the planet. Right now, people are getting involved in the energy of the planet and they’re feeding the energy and they’re making it seem even worse because everybody’s, like, involved in the fear stuff instead of going within, which is where we’re supposed to be going right now and, and being in our hearts, being in our truth, being in our own divine presence instead of all this craziness. it’s a choice, but what I’ve noticed with people is once they start that change, once they s- be- start going within, it’s, it really changes them and they start to … I mean, I talk to people all the time that have these amazing changes in their life just overnight. And, you know, one of the ways that we’ve been doing this is I, I’m, I’m sure you know I was in Egypt a year ago and, um, I never really had a desire to go there.

I just was invited to go, so I went. I And went to this tomb of this master being that I’ve been working with for 20 years, whose, his name is Master Zozer, and he’s known as the, the top healer of all healers, you know, by … He does chemistry, he does healing, he does structure, he does everything, he’s been working with me, and he, he actually, in that, in that trip in, in, in, uh, Egypt, completely changed my eyes, and, and what I was taught was this soul to soul transmission through the eyes, and, you know, gazing is not new, but this type of gazing, I think, is, and it’s, it’s a way that the eyes bypass the analytical mind, and, and it, and it teaches us to directly communicate with an, our own nervous system in our soul field, it, it’s not difficult.

There’s no processing, there’s really no words. It’s an immediate energetic recognition and activation of our true self. Instead of going up here and trying to figure it out, it takes us right into our soul, right into our heart, and we see it. We see it our new way of looking through our eyes, if that makes sense.

Guy:
It does. It does.

Rob:
so, so this new energy up with the current energetic shift perfectly, and it teaches us to move beyond our mental, mental understanding, beyond our emotional processing a direct transmission from the divine where we res- where we recognize that we’ve always had this divine e- embodiment. It’s always been there, but it’s been covered up. it’s like all this stuff that’s happening in the world is, you know, blowing the, the, the top off this cap that’s been blocking us from really understanding who we really are, not who we’ve become, but who we really are. And so when we do this, this gazing, it creates pretty fast stabilization in our body.

It creates clearing out stuff that you don’t have to go looking for, and it starts to anchor you in a, a stabilized coherence pretty fast. and the way it works is because it, it meets people where their mind can’t go. So it, it opens up stuff that we’ve been try- trying to figure out up here, it allows us to see really underneath. It’s not something you do, it’s something you receive, and that’s kind of what we’ve been doing a lot of the teachings lately. And, people have, people Google Master Socier and they see all these different, you know, um, sketches of him or drawings of him. You know, he actually built the very first pyramid in, in Egypt, and it was, it was a pyramid of healing, an ancient healing pyramid, first one, it’s called the step pyramid. And, and so from that energy, when I was over there, I was being taught these ancient, um, I’ll call them Egyptian, but these ancient ways of, of back into our alignment and, and getting past everything else.

Guy:
Wow.

Rob:
it’s not teaching us through information, it’s teaching us about divine presence and energetic precision. it’s, it’s a, it’s a lineage that’s always been there. We just have it or covered it up or, you know, over time. But it’s, it’s in this time of all this crazy energy, this ancient energy is now accessible to us and, it changes everything about how we see ourselves inwardly and how we see ourselves outwardly. And yes, we can observe stuff that’s going on, but we’re not taking it on like we have been.

Guy:
Do you, um, do you s- see the guides when they come in, or do you just energetically work through them? Like, how does that work for you? Like, how can you explain it to the listeners?

Rob:
Um, you know, a lot of, a lot of people say that they see things, and my belief is that we don’t actually, very seldom do we actually see things. It’s more about, it’s about seeing them in your mind, not seeing them with your eyes. So what I’ve learned over the years is that if I close my eyes or if I look away from somebody when I’m working with them, I don’t get distracted by my eyes looking at the nice necklace they have on or the cool sweater or the cool Nikes or whatever it is. distracted from the humanness of it because when I do that, it opens up the, I call it my mind screen, my sacred screen in the back of my head, it opens that up so I have these thoughts of images. So, and if you talk to a lot of people that are quote clairvoyant or psychic, they’re not actually seeing anything.

They’re in front of them, they’re seeing it in their, in their thought, in their mind. Um, I’ll never forget one of my … I don’t know this person, but John Edward, who’s a great medium and does a lot of work. He wrote a book one time and he talked about the fact that he, when he says, you know, “Your grandmother’s standing next to you and she’s wearing a pink sweater and a hula, has a hula hoop,” he’s not seeing that. He’s seeing it in his mind as a thought, but he’s not actually seeing somebody standing next to somebody. And I think what happens with people is they’re, they’re so hung up on, they wanna see, I wanna see, I wanna see, I wanna see, they’re believing that they’re actually going to see something of knowing it, knowing what it is in their mind as kind of, you know, a picture in your mind, that makes

Guy:
Yeah. Totally, totally.

Rob:
it’s, it’s … I, I think, because I used to do this, that people get too caught up in their expectation of what they think they’re supposed to see or what they think is supposed to happen, and because it almost never happens that way, they lose they, they get impatient, they think they’re doing it wrong, and they keep doing it wrong, and they don’t get anywhere. And part of this, this zozai thing, and, you know, I thought we might do a little exercise with it sometime in this podcast, but part of what’s happening with this zozi is when you go into a soft gla- gaze, an unfocused gaze, and you allow everything in front of you to come out of focus, you see what’s really in front of you. And, and again, it’s not always seeing with your eyes, it’s your eyes are picking the energy up, but they’re not seeing your mind is actually interpreting it in a way that sounds like you’re seeing.

Guy:
That makes complete sense. And then do you, do you sort of call, like, just intentionally call that energy in then? Is it? So then when you go into the process, it’s

Rob:
Well,

Guy:
self-revealing.

Rob:
it’s kind of like, um, I’ve been doing this so long now that it’s automatic, so it’s like … And, and one of the thing I, one of the things I always tell people is when you’re working with your guides, remember they’re, they’re working for you, you’re not working for them, so you’re in charge, so, you know, you get to call the shots. They, they need you to do the work, you need them to help you do the work, but you’re the managing partner of the, of the partnership, so set the boundaries the way you want them or you, you know, set it, the, how it works for you. So anyway, what I, what I have set up over the years is that it’s automatic, as soon as I start working with somebody, uh, it’s like a switch goes on, and as soon as I stop working with somebody, it goes off.

So I’m not walking around, you know, in a airport or someplace reading everybody’s energy and doing all kinds of crazy stuff, I’m just like everybody else. It’s when, my, the beings that work with me know that I’m about to do something, we just, we just do it together. So it, you know, it, it just remember that you have the right to, uh, to call the shots. And if you wanna sleep all night and not work on people, you tell them that. Or if you wanna only work from eight to four, you tell them that, or, you know, you’d say it with gratitude, obviously, but you, it’s important that we set up our own boundaries with the beings that we work with. Otherwise, oh, just with us twenty four seven you know? And, you know, that’s not, it’s fun for about five minutes and then it’s not fun anymore.

Guy:
Totally, totally. Oof.

Rob:
I, I think the, the answer is we try too hard. have too many preconceived ideas. we’re, we have defined how it’s going to look when we see something or when we know something or we hear something and we spend a lot of time trying to find something that doesn’t actually exist instead of getting out of the way and just letting your body relax into it and s- and this eye gazing, which we’ll do in a minute, will help do that because it, it’s, we, it’s important that we get away from what we’ve c- been conditioned to believe and get out of that shell so we can actually see what’s going on.

Guy:
Yeah. With what’s happening then, uh, from when you started your journey and leaning into this work of, I, I guess healing, but obviously that’s, that word is very open for interpretation,

Rob:
exactly.

Guy:
It’s a, it’s a big word. Um, but what have you noticed then in conjunction with what’s happening with, as the energies are shifting? So there’s probably two questions in there. How would you define healing in your words, but then w- w- what are you witnessing from when you started to where we are right now? I’m actually here right now at a retreat space in Taupo, New Zealand, and it’s beautiful. And it really brings home the difference between understanding this work and actually living it, because that’s what retreats can do and why we’re so passionate about it. They give you the space to slow down, to reconnect, and truly let something deeper land. So it’s not just an idea, but it’s a lived experience. That’s why we created Live in Flow. So if you’ve been feeling this shift in your own life and you know you’re ready to go deeper, then come back to liveinflow.co to find out more. Anyway, back to the episode

Rob:
Well, I’ll answer the second question first. Um, I’ve witnessed is the acceleration of what’s available to us. So, and I don’t think it was a … I don’t th- I don’t think it was part of me being new at it that things were taking longer. I think that 20 years ago, things were taking longer, but over time, what’s been happening is that the energy around us and the energy available to us is accelerating, and so things can be spontaneously, instantly, boom, done, of, you know, like you keep working at it, working at it, working at it. And, and the difference is when somebody uh, uh, open to that, they believe that it can be done quickly, um, it happens quickly. I think part of the healing, I’ll use the word healing, the, part of the healing process is, know, you need 27 sessions, you need to read these three books, you need to do all this stuff, and then you might be better.

Instead of just knowing that that energy that will change you is instantly there, it’s part of this divine presence that we’re being asked to connect with, with ourselves, and the divine, and all these energies, because when you connect, it’s instant. And the, again, the thing that people, I think, have an expectation that instant means your whole body’s gonna change instantly. Actually, what’s happening is it’s an instant change in the, the integration of the energy in your body, and it’s, it, it’s the beginning of immense change, but it’s not everything changes at once because you’re, know, we’re third, third dimensional human beings and we’re thick and slow and filled with crap.

And so gonna take a while, but the healing actually is instant and, and as long as we stay out of the way and stop measuring it and stop comparing it with our friends and stop putting things on the calendar it’s gonna be done, we just get out of the way and let it happen, gonna, it’s a much more accelerated energy than it used to be.

Guy:
Hmm. The,

Rob:
does

Guy:
the … It does, but that’s a big component, isn’t it? Getting out of our own way, like you said, which can be very, very challenging.

Rob:
Well, to me, the biggest challenge is that, you know, people come to a healer, you, me, whoever it is, they come because they, somebody said, “You’re amazing,” or they come because they saw you on TV or me on TV, and I’m like, “Wow, know, it looks so fast on a movie or on TV.” And so they come thinking that I only need one session, in the first five minutes, I’m gonna be healed, and that’s it. And they don’t know to, they don’t get their expectation in the first five minutes, or even the first session or the first five sessions, so they give up. Instead of just getting out of the way, knowing that if your heart’s brought you to somebody to do the work, just let them do the work and get out of the way, and go on with your life, and see what happens.

Don’t go on with your life drinking Coke and eating fried chicken and stuff like that, but go on, go on with your life, and patience, and gratitude, and, and being in your heart, and being, feeling that connection with the divine. That’s what all, it all works, but it’s not instantaneous. And I think that’s where people get upset. You know, they keep looking for the next dealer, or the next, uh, drug, or the next supplement, or the next process, or the next machine that gives them energy, all they’re doing is they keep telling their body there’s something wrong by keeping, by keep looking, you’re saying, “Well, that didn’t work, so I’m obviously not any better.

I’ll find something else. That didn’t work, and I, I’m not any better. That didn’t work. I’m not any better.” And all the time you’re telling your body, you’re not any better. So what’s your body doing? It’s going, “Yes, you’re right. It’s not any better.” So I

Guy:
Yeah.

Rob:
to say to people, “Pick something that feels really good to you and go for it, get out of the way, don’t have expectations, don’t expect a miracle the way that you’re the miracle, because every moment is a miracle if you just get out of the way and sit back and f- and observe it or notice sensations or notice what’s going on, even though it’s not a boom train wreck, every little piece is part of the healing process, but we’re so caught up in getting where we think we’re supposed to be, that we derail it.

Well, yeah, the first probably, um, I don’t know, two years that I was doing this work, I mean, because, you know, I’m, I’m a guy that’s a business guy and, and not spiritual at the time, so I don’t understand anything. So I’m, trying to apply logic and reason to my healing practice. And, and I noticed that when I would do that, I’m gonna, you know, pretend, but the guides would, like, simply lean back and fold their arms and go, “Oh yeah, whenever you’re ready, whenever you’re ready to get out of the way, stop trying to control it. I, I noticed, and I had, it took me a while to get that. So I, again, that’s why I close my eyes, that’s why I look away. I, I don’t want to be in … It’s not me doing the work, so I’m not supposed to be involved. I’m just the conduit, right? And, and we’re all conduits. We’re all connected in divine presence in a different way.

And if we just get out of the way and just allow and receive without expectation, without limitation, without boundaries, without all this crap we put on something, just be there, be in presence, be in divine presence, and see how quickly things can change, or see how quickly they don’t change if we’re in the way, right? So I think, I think when things aren’t working, it’s because we’re in the way, or we keep telling our body, “It’s not working, I need something else.” I mean, you know, go on Instagram and see all these crazy machines you can buy that’ll change your life in five minutes, you know, and, and if you keep buying stuff like that or searching for something like that, you just keep reinforcing the fact that your body’s not healing.

Guy:
Well, it makes complete sense. And what about, um, the, when you s- because I believe you lost everything overnight, right? Just to bring anyone that’s not familiar with you. And then, and then you kind of spiraled from there to a degree. So then there must have been the … But there, there must have been a point where you surrendered into what was happening and just gone, you know what? And then lent into your, you know, chapter, the next chapter of your life, which is, you know, this work that you do now. What was the pivot point there of getting out the way?

Rob:
The, the pivot point was that, um, that when I was on the beach and I was really planning on not being alive anymore, that, that when I started, like, yelling at the sky and stuff like a crazy person does, you know, and I actually got it, I felt or heard or knew an answer and I could feel the energy in my body that was much different. And then I began to s- to understand, it was kind of like the gaze thing. I began to see things around me that I, that I couldn’t see before and all that stuff happened at once that really changed. It was a pivotal moment for me, obviously. but what I also know is that you don’t have to do what I did, you can have the same experience by just out of the way and, you know, uh, being patient, which sounds so easy, but, uh, it’s not.

You know, let’s, let’s try something if that’s okay with you. I mean, um, to anybody on this podcast, let’s just do something together and see what happens. know, this, and because this is what I’m teaching people now and, it’s so simple, but what’s important is that don’t ex- you’re not expecting anything, you’re just being in the energy of it, right? so just, you know, for you and your audience, just a moment and just allow yourself to be comfortable sitting down or lying down or wherever you are. Just take a deep breath and just allow yourself to be there and, know that you don’t have to change anything. You don’t have to do anything. So there’s no doing here.

It’s just about being in this space and, and feeling where you are. Just notice that you’re in this space. And then while you’re in the space, just bring your energy, your awareness to your feet and to your legs and just be aware of your breath, just normal breath. And you’re not controlling anything, you’re not trying to do anything. You’re just noticing, you’re just and feeling, sensing what’s happening with you. And now just bring your awareness up to your eyes. And, and this is about not how your eyes see, but how your eyes feel. So bring your awareness up to your eyes and just let them, let your eyes feel and allow the muscles around your eyes to soften allow keep your eyes open, but it’s like a unfocused, soft gaze that you’re looking out.

And there’s no effort. You’re not looking for anything. You’re not trying to do anything other than softening your eyes and just let your gaze become easy, not focused, not searching, just relax your eyes completely, resting in your eyes. And then as you do this, you begin to look through things than at things. So just imagine you’re looking through something in front of you. It could be a microphone or it could be an ocean, it could be a tree. Just imagine you’re looking through it, not at it. And let your vision kind of blur and just become more spacious as your more expansive energy, but it’s not focused.

It’s just there. And that’s natural. There’s nothing to fix. You’re not trying to do anything right now, just allowing yours- your, your gaze to become soft and unfocused. And now just allow your awareness to expand out beyond your eyes, as if your whole face, as if your whole body is seeing. So it’s not just your eyes, it’s your whole being that’s seeing in a soft gaze. And there’s no center point anymore. It’s just openness. And in this openness, just notice how it becomes quiet because stillness is already here for you. You’re not creating it, simply no longer interfering with what’s already there. So just take some nice, easy breaths and allow your eyes to say unfocused and soft. There’s no rush, there’s no effort. And of course, your mind’s gonna try to take you into focus again, but just keep gently softening more and more every time that occurs.

There’s no judgment, there’s no right or wrong. You’re just returning to the ease that’s already within you. And slowly bring a little more awareness back in your body, keeping your eyes lived. Your eyes are relaxed, awareness is open, your body is present. So what you’re doing when you soften your gaze, you’re calming the nervous system instantly. When you soften your gaze and just let everything go out of focus, shifts you out of your mental control into your divine presence, and it also opens a doorway into the energetic field in and around you. So just remember, a softened gaze allows the soul to come forward when a focused gaze brings the mind forward. And you’re not trying to see better, you’re just allowing yourself to stop trying to see it all. And remember, there’s no right way to experience this. might feel im- immediate stiffness, stillness, others might feel subtle shifts. The goal is simply removing effort. So when you learn to relax your eyes, when you learn to relax your gaze, everything else begins to fall into place. So how’s that feeling for you, Guy? What’s happening?

Guy:
That’s really interesting. Yeah, I was kind of toyed without looking at the beach and the horizon when I go to the beach sometimes, softening the gaze, but not … There’s a few things that jump forward. First of all, when you said how, how do your eyes feel? That really resonated. That was like, huh. And internal shift, which brought my awareness and attention to it differently.

Rob:
Yeah.

Guy:
But then my feet and hands are red hot mate. Like it’s, you know, interestingly, when I got on the call with you, I could feel energy moving through my body, which tends to happen. And then by the end of it, it’s spiraling and just wanting to move. But also in the softness of the gaze, it doesn’t help because obviously the screen and the light is in front of me. But, um, it was like, as things got blurry, I was seeing static. Like you would see, um, static on the screen or something, but static in the,

Rob:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
in the field.

Rob:
you start the energy mo- you start to see

Guy:
Yeah, that’s right.

Rob:
through.

Guy:
yeah. I could see it quite clearly, actually. Um,

Rob:
And so if you, if you

Guy:
yeah.

Rob:
just simply do that a few times a day, whether you’re at the beach, I mean, even if you’re in front of a screen, learn how to just do it anytime, it brings you into, you know, what I call divine presence. It brings you into the state that you actually are, not the state you have become, and you start to see things, you start to feel things that are different, and you’re opening your entire body to this beautiful energy, which is why your f- f- you know, feet turned on fire. And y- I mean, th- th- that was an immediate shift in your energy field, which immediately started to reformat everything in your body, releasing old patterns, all kinds of stuff, and what were you doing? You were just simply letting your eyes go out of focus, and letting yourself just relax into it.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah. I caught my mind once going off.

Rob:
Well, sure.

Guy:
it’s like, “Oh, shit, I’m on a podcast,” you know? I got to rob you, what’s going on? And, and then you keep talking, “Oh, hang on, Ty got come back.” And then, and then go with it, like, you know? Um, so, so at your events, mate, are you then doing eye gazing, like getting them into that process, but then having eye gazing with each other as well? Is that what you … That’s

Rob:
I,

Guy:
Oh, wow.

Rob:
and a couple people s- standing behind them to hold them, because almost always you, they just collapse, um, because everything’s just relaxes and shifts, like, instantaneously. And so that’s how it started. And that started about a year ago, actually, here in Germany. um, so yes, I do the, they’re standing up and I get right in their face. Um, you know, it’s interesting because if their lips starts to twitch and they start to, you know, you gotta really control yourself. But yeah, it’s like I just have to get out of the way and just let the

Guy:
Wow.

Rob:
do the work. But it, it, it sh- it, it … Think of what just happened with you by 100, what happens when we do it in person. It’s just like, bam, and everything just … It, it, your body is no longer stable because it’s being immediately that fast. and then that we’re doing a, a retreat a week from now here and, uh, we’ll be doing the standup eye gazing and then gazing with each other. And then you can also do it in a mirror. I mean, that’s a really cool time to do it because you’re, you know, you’ve just got a mirror in front of you and you can see, you can see yourself coming out of focus when you’re doing it and practice coming out of focus. You know, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen them over there, but when we have these, these books and things that used to be called the magic eye, we, you’d look at this picture with all these dots and symbols on it, and you’d let your f- focus go, and all of a sudden you’d see these 3D pictures on the page. m- do you ever see those?

Guy:
Yeah, I remember seeing him as a kid at the fair and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rob:
So if, if you can, you know, go find a, a book, you know, a used bookstore, even on Amazon or someplace that, in the magic eye, one of those things, and you, you know, hold the book in front of you and you just allow your, ha- your fa- your gaze to go out, it’s the same thing here. You could put your hand in front of you, just allow your gaze to soften until you start seeing the energy around your hand. And it just takes a little bit of practice, but you can do it really quick. And the moment you do it, it’s, changes your, your nervous system. And I think what I like to say is it takes the word nervous out of your system. It, it changes your energetic system, and it doesn’t take a lot of effort. It doesn’t need a lot. It’s just being present, to do it and calming the ner- the nervous system and to reduce overwhelm.

Guy:
That’s really helpful. Thank you for sharing that with us, mate. That’s, that’s fantastic.

Rob:
And, you know, we’ve got this, and I, like I said, um, if anybody wants to email me, uh, we have this … Last time I talked to you, we did this second, third thought master teaching, but

Guy:
Hmm.

Rob:
this time it’s, um, a series called Overwhelm, and it really teaches you how to look at the overwhelm in a very different way, and, and to use that energy to rebuild something, or rebuild yourself, or heal or whatever, but not to let it just pile up on you and keep overwhelming you, but to, to help you manage the day and manage each other and go through life. if anybody wants that, I’ll be happy to send that to him as well.

Guy:
Yeah, ap- appreciate it. Would it … So what would be the best way to email you for them to do that?

Rob:
Just

Guy:
Like … All right.

Rob:
to

Guy:
I’ll,

Rob:
send it.

Guy:
I’ll put in the make sure the, the team put it in the description. Um, we can talk after the show what to, what to tell them. No, perfect. Thank you. So with all that in mind then, for, for people, what is your kind of belief system now around why we get into such a state like physical ailments, issues? ‘Cause obviously you see different people come in from all over the world, from all works that have different issues, from physical, um, abilities to diseases, whatever it might be, right? To, um, then obviously emotional, mental. We don’t even … So there’s such a broad aspect of, of things to look at, but what do you feel is that, from what you’ve witnessed, is at the root of it all and is allowing the body to come back into its organized state, if you like. I’m trying to find the right words.

Rob:
Well, I mean, I, there’s, there’s two things that, that I kind of put it on. And one of them is, you know, we have learned not to express our emotions, 99, in my, my opinion, 99% of what’s wrong with people is, is holding onto emotions, uh, because it, know, we hold on and it, when, when we’re holding onto fear, let’s say, for example, fear, fear is held in our kidneys and, and kidneys, you know, have the adrenals and panic attacks come from the kidneys, and it’s because you’re being overwhelmed with fear. instead of doing something about it, we take a pill, or we take a Xanax, or we do something to suppress that emotion. I gotta get this light out of my face here, sorry.

Guy:
That’s all right.

Rob:
Um, instead of using the, again, using the energy to move forward and get away from the fear, we tend to hold onto it. And so, over time, that builds, and builds, and builds, and builds. and more than likely, your parents had a kidney issue or anxiety issue, or whatever their issue was, and their parents had it, and their parents had it, and their parents had it, and their parents had it. And if you, if you look at the present moment of you, you’re holding onto generations of the same energy, and taking pills, or we’re taking supplements, or we’re doing something, but not actually addressing the energy, need to get that energy out, and you can do that by screaming, or running, or doing something, moving, right? typ- typically, we reach for the medicine cabinet, or do something.

And so, what I s- you know, and most … What I think is interesting is most people actually die of kidney failure. You know, they can have all these other things wrong with them, but at the end, their kidneys fail. what is that? The kidneys, you know, they rule the energy of your heart, they rule the energy of your lungs, they rule the energy of your brain, the energies hold fear, and judgment, and self-criticism, and self-worth, and self-esteem, and all those things. And, and over, over time, we just keep attracting more of the energy, and at some point, start to give up in your body, and start to open you up to a diagnosis, um, w- which is usually treated by medicine, which doesn’t do anything, right? So, what I find with most people is if they allow themselves to be open, to let go of whatever emotion is, by screaming or whatever they sometimes they don’t have to do anything.

We just pull it out of the body. c- it creates an immediate, immediate healing- healing. And what I’ve noticed is it doesn’t really matter if it’s Parkinson’s disease or, uh, migraine headaches or ingrown toenails, it’s all coming from a form of emotion that just has not been expressed, because we’re afraid to. know, most people breathe down into their mid-chest. don’t breathe all the way down into their belly, because down in the belly is where the emotions are all hiding. And if you breathe down there, you might activate something that might scare the crap out of you, maybe you should activate something and it out.

That’s why breathwork is so, is so cool, because it, it gets you into a really fast, rapid, deep breath that activates all these things, and that’s why people start having reactions and breath work, screaming or whatever they’re doing, because they’re finally allowing that energy to open up from their lower body. but I would say things are either inherited or they’re, they’re created in this lifetime by some traumatic event. So, one of the questions I like to ask people is, that come to see me is, “Okay, you have panic attacks. When did those start?” And will say, “I don’t know. ” I’m like, “Come on, when did they start?

What happened … If they started five years ago, what happened in your life six years ago? What emotional trigger happened before the panic event started that, that, that you noticed? Did you have a divorce? Did somebody die? Did somebody attack you? What was it that happened six years ago that all of a sudden you started having panic attacks? There’s a direct relation between those things, and so we go back and look at what actually happened created the activation of a panic attack or a cancer diagnosis or whatever it was. And if you go back to the emotional activation and go after that, almost always you can pull the, begin to pull that energy out that’s creating the outcome now. So it’s pretty fascinating how that works.

Guy:
It’s amazing. We, we see it at our retreats as well, mate. Like, w- and I, what I often ponder on as well is the fact that we’re so stimulated in this world, and our nervous systems, and there’s so many bells, whistles, distractions, and things, we never give ourselves the opportunity to, uh, to set up an environment where we can allow ourselves to really find ourselves again. And then when we do, we’re so fearful of what’s gonna come up, like, as if we’re gonna explode or a volcano’s gonna erupt or … Yeah.

Rob:
And s- so what, what have you got to lose if that happens? All your crap, right? So be afraid of s- something that’s gonna change your life, even if it’s horrifying for 30 seconds? Who cares? ‘Cause on the other side of that is a whole different you. it’s so interesting how people will hold on, hold on, hold on. you see it, I see it, we all see it, and it’s like, why? You know, there’s a, there’s a line in the heel movie that I’ll, that I’m working on somebody and she says to me, don’t know who I would be if I didn’t have this. And I thought that was, like, the most, best line of the whole movie, because it’s, it’s a very telling statement.

People are so used to having something that’s their identity. It’s like, “I’m gonna change my identity and I don’t know what that’s gonna feel like. ” Well, how about you know it’s gonna feel better? You know, how about starting there? people are stubborn. It’s really interesting. Um, and I,

Guy:
totally.

Rob:
you just come sometimes want to smack people like snap out of it. You know, why are you holding onto this stuff? It’s not doing you any good.

Guy:
Yeah, I know, but yeah, it’s a, it’s a fascinating one. I can even think back in my, my own journey of having certain fears around certain things, and every time unconsciously, I would just kinda move away, not, not even knowing what I was doing. Like, you know, it was all, uh, all going on behind the sur- below the surface, that’s for sure. But, um, yeah. Mate, um, before I wrap up the podcast, uh, I will have to wrap it up soon. Um, is there anything you’d, else you’d like to share about what we’ve been covering today?

Rob:
Well, I, you know, really what I’d like to share is that I think it’s really important we understand what’s actually going on, not what we think’s going on. Meaning that you look at the, if you look at the world and you look at all the politics and all the greed and all the corruption and all of the stuff that’s being exposed now, it, needs to be exposed so we can change things. so it’s like all the … So, you know, there’s this balance between light and dark and I’ll just use it, it’s not evil, it’s just dark versus light. light’s coming on the planet, which is exposing more dark, and the dark is being exposed so it can be taken care of. Now, we need to do the work to do that.

We can’t just expect it to be done, but it’s, it’s like in our face. So if you notice people are starting to react in a way to do something differently, and so I look at this, what’s happening right now is, is a motivation, as a ch- as a reorganization, as a restimulation, as a rebuilding of, uh, our awareness, who we really are, these crazy people that have taken lots of pills or greedy or all the stuff that’s going on. It’s time to return to who we really are, which is what I call divine presence. We’re, we’re in our connection with God, the divine, whatever you wanna call that, instead of in connection with CNN or all these crazy things that are going on around us, it’s time to come within and, and be of who we are.

And we can do that by the soft gaze or prayer or what do you wanna do, but you know, don’t keep participating in the energy that’s going on around you. You can, uh, be aware of it, but use that energy to change something within you. It’s kinda like work, right? Y- that energy’s so powerful that it’s gonna make you wanna get rid of it, or you’re gonna hold onto it. But I say, just use this energy to your advantage to change your life in a positive way, not in a negative way.

Guy:
Absolutely. Amen to that. Um, where can, where can, uh, people find out more about you as well? I’ll make sure you’re emailed in the description when this goes live, but, um, what’s your website, Rob? it’s really easy. It’s just my name, robwergin.com. and, um, yeah, there’s lots of free things on there. There’s lots of masterclasses on there you can just download and listen to. you know, you can get these angel cards, which I give away by the thousands. We send them all over the world. There’s lots of things you can get there without, you know, just check, check it out. Read the testimonials, feel the energy of those, read, launch the videos, feel the energy of that, download some calls, use them, and see how it works for you. I mean, um, everybody’s unique. Everybody has a different reaction.

Everybody has something they like better than something else, and it’s all good that way. Uh, there’s no one size fits all in this work. It’s, everybody’s unique and individual, so the healing should be unique and individual as well. Yeah, absolutely. No, b- brilliant. Thanks, Robin. Hopefully, um, if I’m in Croatia next year and our calendar’s lined up or something, I can, I’ll pop across and see you in Germany, mate.

Rob:
I, I keep saying I’m gonna come to Australia, so one or the other.

Guy:
one or the other. No, much love, mate. Much appreciated. Thank you so much for coming back on the show, man.

Rob:
You’re

Guy:
Re- really… Thank you.

Rob:
many blessings. Okay.