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My awesome guest this week is Dawson Church, Award-winning author & energy psychology researcher.
I invited Dawson to come back on my show to discuss his incredible book Mind To Matter; The Astonishing Science Of How Your Brain Creates Reality.
We covered a lot of ground in this episode, and if this doesn’t inspire you to start a meditation practice, then I don’t know what will 🙂 Enjoy.
About Dawson: Dawson Church is a health writer and researcher who has edited or authored a number of books in the fields of health, psychology, and spirituality. His principal works are The Genie in Your Genes, which reviews the research linking consciousness, emotion, and gene expression, and Mind to Matter, which examines the science of peak mental states.
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Guy: Hi, I’m Guy Lawrence and you are listening to the Guy Lawrence podcast. If you’re enjoying this content and you want to find out more and join me and come further down the rabbit hole, make sure you head back to the guylawrence.com.au. Awesome guys. Enjoy the show.
Guy: Dawson, welcome to the podcast. Welcome back.
Dawson: It is such a pleasure to be here. Thank you Guy.
Guy: I uh, I was obviously we were just speaking off air but um, you were actually the first guest I’d published on my new podcasts when I transitioned last year and I was only looking back the other day and it’s been over a year and a half. And the fact that your book hadn’t come out at that point and we had a wonderful conversation, I really listened to it the other day as well and the things we covered with phenomenal. But, uh, your book, mind to matter. Absolutely loved it mate. So, uh, I was like, I have to get Dawson to come back on and chat about this today cause it’s, uh, it’s brilliant.
Dawson: It’s wonderful to have these tools as well. But the book describes and the science that is in the book is progressing, but even that snapshot of work was a year ago is just one of the most inspiring collections of scientific facts I can imagine. So I’ve been just Lilly and myself daily for the last year and uh, just the synchronicities have been happening. It’s been unfolding in a magnificent way. So
Guy: it deserves all the accolades it gets. And I mean that it’s, you’ve, you’ve encaptured something that, um, I think is really difficult to grasp, but on many levels, if we’re not used to reading about this or looking at this work or it’s not part of our lives. And for me, if you could break the walls down,
Dawson: I was a staggered when I began to get into this because I thought I’d find some evidence that our minds create matter. The thoughts create things. That guy, I was just blown away as I was going through the book chapter by chapter, by chapter, just just put an example, the chapter on synchronicity. I thought that synchronicity was a, one of those interesting, observable facts and that that chat will be very short. I talk about Carl Young and his idea about synchronicity, I’d have a few anecdotes and that would be it. Now it’s the longest chapter in the book. It’s packed with science and turns out that there is a solid scientific basis for things like precognition and synchronicity. So, um, I was been blown away by seeing how science there is relevance and then you applied here in your life and you have all kinds of of evidence that it works for you personally as well as scientifically.
Guy: Totally. And I’m going to go off on a sidetrack. He’s parked questions straight away because if you’re researching this and there’s often um, talk about how our mind affects reality and, but for me it’s, it’s been over the years but as I delve into it more, it becomes more and more prominent and I think about these things that are at a deeper level where used to be just like a nice thing to think about but never really embody it and live that way. From your research, how much do you think on mind actually affects our reality longterm?
Dawson: Well in my mind to matter, I cover that question from several perspectives and so one a way in which by the about a mind creates matter is really simple and very uncontroversial. No one, no one disputes that which is that our minds create our bodies very substantially every day. Just for example, in one of the studies in mind matter, it talks about EOP tapping at gene expression and EFT tapping uses, tapping on acupuncture points like this edit affects mood and so what we find when we tap is that genes are turned on genes to do with longevity, genes to do with cell repair, genes to do with cancer, tumor suppression, genes to do with cell metabolism, genes to do with cell self medication and so there’s no real controversy there. I know if I am stressed by the mental stress I’ll make my body will make more adrenaline, more cortisol, more stress hormones, only fewer healing hormones like the hea.
Dawson: If I throw the process around the, there are several studies showing that people who are stressed and then use EFT, acupressure, they then have a massive reduction in cortisol. In one study I published with the Medical Journal recently in one week of meditation and tapping people’s baseline of that stress hormone cortisol dropped by 37% so I literally creating molecules like that, my body, I’m also creating molecules like immunoglobulins in other research. It shows that genes are turned are dialed up which affect the immune system and so these very globulins which are in my mucus membranes by saliva, my eyes and I protect my body from viruses, bacteria and pathogens. Those immunoglobulins are turned way up. That same study that showed Corozal properties of the said show that people’s immunoglobulins rose by 113% in just so that way we are turning our, we are creating our bodies literally with our minds.
Dawson: But the really cool part is the second part of the book where I’m getting into more controversial territory and harder to prove, not really as very many experiments with our thousands of experiments showing that our minds, in fact the matter of our bodies. But there are maybe a couple of hundred showing that our minds are literally shifting the world outside of ourselves aren’t tripling molecules, are shifting, electromagnetic fields might be shifting. Gravity are certainly shifting the uh, the nuclear forces, this strong, weak nuclear forces. So that’s just amazing stuff. And this has been known for, it’s been 200 years since the first double slit experiment showing the observer effect that observing a particle makes the changes its behavior. So, um, yeah, there’s plenty of evidence there that our, our minds are, our brains really act like transceivers. We’re living in these information fields and our brains are receiving signals from those fields.
Dawson: Much like the way the device that you’re watching, the sun now is receiving your podcasts so that people are seeing the podcasts, maybe holding their iPad in front of them, watching it, but does, it doesn’t mean that you guy and me are inside the iPhone, the iPad, the Monitor, we’re somewhere else. We’re another time, another place. And that iPad is just the re the, the transducer, the receiver of that single in the same way our brains are receiving signals for these information fields outside of ourselves and then transfusing them into what we think of as material reality. It’s incredible. Is two questions that spring to mind and one is how would you then define the mind in the first place and the second one actually go with that. Yeah. There’s a lot of controversy about this in the field of consciousness research. What exactly is the mind?
Dawson: And so, um, what the materialist view is, is that consciousness is thrown up by a complex brain and that mind is what brain does. So we have these brains and they do things called this thinkable thinking. That thinking is the mind and the totality of that is consciousness. But what we are now seeing is a much more interesting model where mind our local mind is in fact a subset of non-local mind and not local mind is nature. Nonlocal mind is the universe. Non Local mind is what Taylor does. Schodack called the psychosphere which is the sum total of all consciousness on old planet. So that we exist just as we exist in an atmosphere where we used to the psychosphere and ideas spread this astronomy called emotional contagion in chapter two of the book, how it shows how if I am happy, I make my next door neighbor about 34% more happy and he makes his next door neighbor who I don’t even know about 14% we’re happy and she makes her next door neighbor who I, I’m two degrees of separation route from about 9% more happy.
Dawson: So when we’re producing emotional contagion in the world all around us, as we changed their emotions and then they become more happy, their cortisol drops too. So in these ways I producing these, these big attacks and we’ll run it. So, so consciousness is a field and we have a local consciousness. So I can tell you about data stores, Dawson Church that I’m a science writer, but I’m wearing a blue shirt today that I am going away to New York tomorrow and these are all parts of my local cultures and local mind. But in meditation when I closed my eyes and she is elevated states that the mystics described as being ecstasy, then I lose by anchoring in local mind and thinking I am me and I gain an awareness at a, at a union, the the, the beautiful spirit of unions said, if you knew that the specifics describe losing themselves, becoming one with non-local mind.
Dawson: That’s where bliss is to be found. So that’s the kind of mind you want to have. You want to have it local mind. You got to remember to wear a shirt before the interview other than showing up, swipe naked or you want to make sure you balance the balance your bank account and understand more than ever. I mean there you need this local mind and local clubs just comes in really handy for driving a car to the grocery store that when it comes to the actual essence of our being and realizing our full potential and having a grand vision for our lives, we are going to lose local, might lose ourselves in non local mind and certainly we think of ourselves and love ourselves, get into compassion, do it at that non-local level and that turned our brains into transceivers of that signal and then live that kind of life in our local reality.
Guy: Yeah, incredible. And it’s really interesting, like you mentioned about what the mystics had been talking about as well. Had you found much study around mystical experiences because what you said there, and I can relate to on a very deep level now because I’ve had that experience where I’ve stepped away from my busy life and been able to turn myself in word and have this connection of union to something greater that’s beyond yourself. And when you have an experience like that and you bring it back to to daily life, life becomes really different.
Dawson: But even having an experienced one time guy can leave permanent imprints on the brain. A study of people doing just just 12 minutes of meditation for eight weeks, very little amount of time show changes in their, their brains. And what happens when you have those deep states is that um, the, the parietal lobe, which is responsible for locating your body in space. So because I have a provide a little bit at function cycle, tell where my finger hands and the water bottle begins and people with a damage provide low. They reach out with a water bottle and they knocked it over because they don’t have this ability to have good spacial perception. But in these elevated states, the pride load drops, it’s in functioning dramatically and you lose track of where you end and the universe began. So now you feel one with everything you have.
Dawson: Surgeons are these hormones. In the book I talk about the bonding hormone, oxytocin in mind matter. I also talk about the neurochemical of bliss and then demise, which floods your synapses of your brain. Now you feel one with everything, you feel partnered with everything and you are in this brain. So, um, those are elevated states and they change the brain. In one study I talk about a, a Meta analysis to chapter one of my to matter, but then I demonstrate the science, always the book with stories. And the story I tell in chapter one is of an astrophysicist who was also a TV reporter called Graham fitters, and he’d heard about meditation. He was the meditator, but he’d hurted that good things for you. So he thought he’d go on it on an eight week meditation mindfulness course. But before he did, he went into Monash University and got a comprehensive series of brain scans, followed with the TV crews.
Dawson: So there’s a TV crew filming him of the whole course of the eight weeks, including all the scans, all the tests at Monash University. And then he went on is his meditation and mindfulness journey for the next while. And within two weeks, his behavior changed. He was much less stressed, much more tolerant, much more compassionate. After eight weeks, he went back to mode ash. They used a high resolution MRI to measure his brain and the scientists who measured his brain were absolutely astounded because one region of the brain grew in that eight weeks by 22.8% in just two months and it was the part of his brain that governs emotional regulation to the very center of the brain. It’s part of the hippocampus and it has tentacles that reach out to other brain regions and regulate emotions. Aspirate regions add in just two months is dentate gyrus. That little region of the brain grew by 22.8% that’s how quickly the stuff of mind is triggering the hardware of brain and we are shifting our, our brains that the actual neuron firing at our brains and the actual structure of our brains really rapidly. We start to do this so that profound experience you had guy, that’s the start literally changing, remodeling the hardware of your brain.
Guy: It’s amazing. And Do, you know, you might be able, you’ll definitely be able to explain it better than myself, and I think about this often, but it was like I didn’t have the, what the circuitry to understand what true joy felt or true love from the way I’ve lived my entire life. And by having this experience, it’s like when you spoke about that growth and that adaptation, it’s like this, I don’t know, new circuitry sprouting and growing in there that’s allowing that, that feeling, that frequency, that communication to then start to run easier, almost like going to the gym where you just yet train and these muscles are expanding and adapting to it. Would you say that
Dawson: I didn’t get to the gym? And that’s the old plasticity. By using a, a, a muscle, you make it bigger by using a neural circuit, by firing the neural circuit because to wire together, not only that, but initially it takes a lot of control to meditate. So a pretty focused, you have your prefrontal cortex heavily engaged. There’s also a part of the prefrontal cortex called the dorsolateral prefrontal Cortex, which is the most, um, the most, uh, [inaudible] central part of the brain when it comes to decision making. It also then has another 10 rule running from there to the memory learning centers. In the middle of the brain, you have a campus called the ventromedial prefrontal cortex. So you’re really exercising, working these new brain regions, but do it long enough and then attentional control becomes automatic. Now that ability to slip in a meditation is controlled by parts of the brain, much lower down, called the Basal Ganglia.
Dawson: Now it’s become routine. So just the way somebody who swings the baseball bat or kicks a soccer ball or plays it as a sport develops that ability to hit the ball time after time after time because it’s in the Basal Ganglia, they can do it unconsciously. The experienced meditator does the same thing. And in the book I give you, I give you 30 different techniques in mind, matter of things you can use in your life. But Meditation is the foundation of it all. And it starts to then change your brain and then it shifts to being an effort. He is in the prefrontal cortex being automatic as a thing saying to those Basal Ganglia.
Guy: Incredible. That makes so much sense. And I wonder to mention, I go over my notes here, um, because I was fascinated by some of the experiments. You talked about a DNA experiment where there was intenders influencing the DNA. Can you share that with us? Cause I blew my mind.
Dawson: That is absolutely studying experiment. And the question I was trying to answer that part of the book. So we, I show pretty clearly in the first few chapters that mine queens matter by grace molecules inside of ourselves by principle, heals outside of ourselves. But how do you explain the difference between a person who is a good manifester, who has been intention and what this person intense just comes through. And a person who has great intentions, uh, wants things to happen and none of it comes true. I knew a woman like this and I already liked her. She was a close friend of mine at one point and she had these fantastic intentions. She was articulate, she was very well able to describe them. She had clear intentions that none of them ever actually materialized. She always had an inspiring talk and then no action would follow.
Dawson: Whereas I know other people who when they say I have this intention, it’s going to happen. What is the difference between those people? So I want to give you a useful guide in my book, mind to matter between the difference between the two and also how you can become one of those master manifestors and be one of the other people like my friend Julienne who nothing much would happen when she would intend to have things happen. So how do you get to be a master manifestor? And the answer has to do with brain waves. When we hook people who are master manifesters up to e jeans and read their brainwaves, they have highly coherent brains. Whereas people like Julian who aren’t, have all of those same intentions, but they have really incoherent brainwaves. So without experiment to the DNA, they have people get it to the state of deep heart, brain coherence.
Dawson: You can do this. I have instructions for doing this in the book, my letter and also the website might have better.com I show you exactly how to, how to get there and so free all the websites. So go to the website, do this experiment, get into decoherence before even 10 and they were told to intend that the DNA in a flask of DNA twist tighter. They can take the double helix molecule and some of its roots to tighter. Sometimes it’s less twisted and science can measure the degree of twist of the molecule using the best equipment. So they told these people to have the intention that the molecules of DNA in that solution twist to tighter. Now Guy, when they’re tetra set, they’re held the intention and set what is to happen and then the scientists tested the DNA a second time. They felt that the intentional loan produced no effect.
Dawson: But when those same people enter the state of deep heart, brain coherence and then had the intention of the DNA. Interesting. Tyler, the DNA did twist tighter. So then inside the cell, okay, let’s try this. Let’s make it a little bit harder. Here are three flasks of DNA. Number one in the middle, two or three other side. We want you to twist the DNA tighter, the middle flask, but not in the two on either side. And sure enough, the say they happen when those people with a deep heart coherence held the intention that only the middle class will change. That’s exactly what happened. Sometimes time said, okay, well maybe it’s just due to some kind of weird anomaly that’s it’s Christine is molecule’s title. Now I want you to untrust the molecules, but only in the philosophy of the left and the on the one on the right or the middle and showed up.
Dawson: That’s exactly what happened. They then said, okay, now to make this harder still we’re gonna move all three flasks into a room at the other end of the building. So you can’t even see them because maybe it’s something about your, your, your personal electrify. The field is influencing us philosophy. We want to move the class way, way, way away from you. We want you to, to, to, to, to shift the DNA audio left hand, floss at a distance and again in heart coherence. That’s exactly what happened. And then the final experiment was that they moved all three flasks 50 miles away. That’s 80 kilometers away. Now the, the, the a different room. The, uh, meditators had no idea where they were, but in that heart coherent state, they could literally shift the DNA at only at the target file. That is the power you and I have to change material substances that are distant from ourselves and are outside of our own body. So we’re, I mean, we have superpowers. We just started using them most of the time
Guy: we did. We’ve never been taught. It’s phenomenal. And I’ve got to either, not sure if you know Dawson, but I, I run them a community membership year and um, and there’s been growing fantastically, but through the work of Lynne McTaggart as well, and the power of Eight, we’ve actually been doing group intentions over zoom. So everyone’s in their own home and sending an intention to one person that needs some support in so certain area of the life. And we’ve must uphold 30 at least now over the last 12 months. And it’s been staggering some of the reports back coming from it and there’s still great to have science actually showing uh, supporting what’s going on, you know? Yup. Yup. What, what do you think, um, cause we, we have always worked in a, in a, in a world where we’re using matter to affect matter when it comes to the bodies. How much or how big a role do you think is actually playing from your research about affecting the energy to affect the matter of the body? Just like what we were doing then in the DNA, which is pretty much energy to matter.
Dawson: Yeah. Well if you look a lot of medical establishment, you see that people go to the doctor, go to the hospital, go to the clinic, and the first thing they usually do is mechanical and material. They aren’t focused on, on energy and they give very little thought to their energy. How energy might be creating their disease and how their energy can be on creating their disease. So I’m really recommending in mind matter. I I’m, I’m really strongly recommending that you always go to matter better second and energy first. So looking at how you can change your energy, shifting energy now that can change your life. I’ll give you an example of a of a case that just gives me chills whenever I think about my friend Beth who just come up with other, the book about her experiences, but Beth was diagnosed with metastasized breast cancer, which is not a good diagnosis.
Dawson: They found a five centimeter tumor in her right breast solid tumor and they found that all of the lymph nodes underneath her right armpit were swollen and inflamed, which indicated the likelihood of cancer cells having now escape from the tumor, taken up residence in our lymph system and once it’s in your lymph nodes, it can spread all the way through. Your body. Also found three spots of inflammation on bets, right lung. In fact, the diagnosis was so serious that the oncologist at this big hospital cancer center where she was being treated, said that the day that she got the diagnosis, the oncologist said to her, Beth, normally we schedule you for chemotherapy and radiation, but this is so serious. I want you to go straight from my office today to the Radiology Department and get your first radiation treatment right now. Now faced with this life threatening diagnosis that said something and did something very gracious.
Dawson: She said, I need time to think. I need to go home, talk to my husband, talk my friends, make some phone calls, make email, says awesome emails and really look at my options. And she did. She emailed me, emailed other friends in medicine or psychology and we made recommendations to her. Like in one of her later email, she said, Dawson, I’ve had this gene test and it shows I ate defective genes, some of which predisposed me to breast cancer. So I said to her, Beth, you may have eight effective genes, but you have 24,000 genes in your body. That means that 23,992 are just perfect, let’s work without us. And so she focused on the positive. She changed her energy. She didn’t chew gum, we did energy healing with her remotely and in person. She cleaned up her diet, she got rid of all the stress in her life.
Dawson: He turned off the alerts on her cell phone, purposed on her positive mental framing every day and she got the diagnosis in March of 2017 in 28 2017 in May, same year in May, she went back to the cancer clinic and they found that all of those under her right armpit were clear, were normal, no signs of cats there anymore. And the tumor had shrunk from five centimeters to 1.4 centimeters in just two months using energy. So then how many people would have taken the oncologist advice, got the material route God straight from the office, straight radio therapy and that had those radiation treatments of chemotherapy, bogus on matter. Beth focused on energy and that is the focus we need to bring to our relationships, to our money, to our careers. To our spiritual lives, to our health. It’s all about energy change your energy and your life can change. So we live in a materialist world. We tend to seek material solutions first, but I really challenge people in mind matter. Look and see what energy can do for your life, for your health. We, your money for your wellbeing, your stress levels. It can give you a dramatically better life than the life you enjoy today.
Guy: Amazing. That’s amazing. Do you think this, I’d have patients going to become more mainstream over time.
Dawson: I’m seeing a lot more mainstream people in my trainings. 15 years ago we found alternative medicine practitioners, chiropractors, uh, um, body workers in the trainings today we see psychiatrists, we see nurses, we see psychologists, we see a lot of medical professionals. So it’s becoming much more mainstream. Also in my nonprofit, we worked for about 10 years to get EFT accepted by the u s veterans administration. But after 10 years of basically Bang my head against the wall and uh, and trying, eventually it was declared to be, say, therapy and approved for use with veterans. So yeah, it’s moving its way into mainstream. I asked one psychologist who was using EFT in the VA hospital in Washington, D C I said, when did you begin using EFT in the VA hospital there with veterans? And he said that I offer, you’ve got it approved. Awesome. So now these therapies, I mean his therapies are so good, they change enzymes, they change hormones, they change genes.
Dawson: It’s not like we can just afford to ignore them. It would be like, you know, having penicillin and saying, well you know, we’re just not going to use that. Or having a, a a an adult to a disease and say, well we’ll just leave the pills in the bottle. I mean we have these therapies today that are just crushing it when it comes to stress, anxiety, depression, PTSD. And when you, when you solve those mental problems, resolve those spiritual problems when you meditate and tap and use this one for energy therapies, things like cancer. Just go away. I know those one a is really a medical journal last week about two case studies. Are people getting reiki before Kansas surgery and the Reiki, the, the, the, the tumors were measured that the Reiki masters did the Reiki on the patients one session and the tumor shrank by a half on average in that one session. If we have this miracle ability to do this with our hands, with our energy, with our consciousness, how could it not become not as a medical alternative. This is medicine itself, the ability to shift our energy and to shift matter.
Guy: It’s incredible. It’s incredible how I’ve got to ask you as well, and I’m thinking that the listeners as well, and you learn learning all this, you hearing all this and you’re like, oh my God, you know, how amazing are we?
Dawson: And then, and then of course we walk out and we continue to do the same things that I know,
Guy: we know we constantly up against ourselves constantly. Like I think the biggest part was with myself then more than anyone else. You know what I mean? And any changes I want to make in life and, and I often think about that, but I’m wondering what you do. Let’s say you wanted to think about setting an intention for the future or how would you turn that into a practice or what would you
Dawson: do? Like what would you advise someone else listening to this? The first thing I would advise is that you set your intentions from a place that is not your local mind. Now this is totally contrary to the advice I suppose people give. Like I teach a seven day life vision retreat every, every year over just off Christmas, over new years. People come to a retreat center, they spent three days really let it go on new years eve. We do a labyrinth walk and then they download their intentions over the next three, three days for the new year, but not from local mind because your local mind is obsessed with your local self. It’s worried about what you don’t have. It’s try to preserve what you do have. It’s it has desires born out of your conditioning. That’s really not usually a very good place to create out of you, out of it if you want.
Dawson: But what I say to people at the life vision retreat and elsewhere is I say tune in to the universe, the vision the universe has we you and your life is infinitely greater that any goal setting you could do for yourself locally. So surrender your local mind, limited bliss spray, move into a union with nonlocal mind and then create from there that when you’re channeling the vision of your future from non local reality, it’s able to make connections. It’s able to work synchronicities, it’s, we call it it, it’s telepathic, it has all these abilities, all these gifts that you don’t have when you’re stuck at the level of local mind. But that’s where we are most of the time. So we have to practice Gideon stuff over and over and over again. Dude. Often enough though and ability ability and you can then merge with nonlocal mind much easier.
Dawson: And then you do all your creating all your visioning from local, from local mind. So when I have a very difficult problem, like right now I have two to difficult problems. I have a problem in the book I’m writing. I have to decide how to end the book. That’s really tough between 200 Advantix. Um, the only thing I have is I have one situation with a website I, I have responsibility for and we’ve been struggling to update the site that has been going well. So I, I set myself for both things. This merge with nonlocal mind. Just go out there and ask the universe. And in both cases I got inspired, brilliant out of the box ideas out there, but I never would have gotten from the best efforts of my local mind. Oh, Bill Einstein said that virtually every scientific discovery is the result of intuition.
Dawson: If you ask the Great Nobel Prize winners, great scientists, great artists, you’ll find what they do is they get out of their own way. They move into oneness with the universe. And this universe guy is full of love for us as full of compassionate presence, full of creativity that floods through us in this state. The business consulting firm of McKinsey did it 10 years study of high performing executives and found where they move. If these elevated states their ability, their ability to solve problems increases by about 500% another study found that problem solving ability increases by 490% a five fold increase in creativity, problem solving, ability and productivity. Now you can solve all kinds of problems with five times the fire power that you have right now. And that’s where you want to be creating your visions and your life purpose from.
Guy: Yeah. Got It. There. They say your best answers come in the shower, don’t they? When you’re,
Dawson: when you are thinking about them at all.
Guy: And they learned that the key is, is to act upon them. Right. Once they come, you know. Yeah. Amazing. Dawson. Amazing. Now I’ve got a set of questions I ask everyone on the show and I’m, the first one is, what’s been a low point in your life that has later turned out to be a blessing?
Dawson: Well, the lowest point in my life for the last, a recent period is that mine to matter was published. And um, I finished the, published in June, uh, 2018. I finished that in script in, um, September of 2017 in October, October 9th, 2017, I was awakened by, by wife in the middle of the night. I looked at my alarm clock and said 12:47 AM and it’s like, why is she waking up at 12:47 AM I looked out the window and there was a glow on the horizon. I got out of bed, the lights went out, everything. Only the power went out. I walked outside and there was a wildfire moving over the hill toward our state. And um, I just yelled to her, we’re getting out of here right now. We flung on our clothes, we grabbed our laptops and cell phones and we sprinted for our car, which was at the other end of the, the are we a big property with an office building and a big storage building and beautiful home.
Dawson: Oh, look in this valley. And as we jumped in, the car drove out. My wife thought he thought her head looked up through the moonroof and all the trees above her head were on fire. And so that night, 5,000 hundred homes were destroyed by the wildfire. 22 people died in the fire of people who died in the fire. Eight of those people live within a thousand yards of our home. It moves so fast, it was moving the length of a football field every three seconds. There just wasn’t time for people to get out. And so so many people died in the fire that destroyed all these homes. So there was a cataclysm, we were very confused, dazed. We had PTSD for the first few days, maybe we were really not, not doing too well, even thought we escaped. But by the third day I said, why, why we need to meditate?
Dawson: And as we meditated that that third morning, suddenly we dropped back into our bodies and we had a real sense of our resilience and we began to come back into ourselves and plan and start act intelligently once again. And of course we’ve had had a couple of years of recovery in the wildfire. It brought about a financial catastrophe because all of our income stopped while expenses were even greater than before trying to recover. So we had these huge mental challenges. Island had a big health challenge and we had a couple of years that could have, if we didn’t have the tools of might matter and again invite better. I gave you 13 of these tools but we didn’t have those tools. We would never have been able to cope. And even now, two years later, many people are still suffering from PTSD. So you’re covered really fast. And so that was a low point and it was difficult for us in many different ways.
Dawson: But thanks. Those tools might better. We just bounced back swiftly. So that was low point and also showed us that the things we’re talking about, meditation, tapping, time in nature, social support, rounding, Irving, all these things they really work. And when I was giving keynote speech was just two weeks after the fire. What am I colleagues who say, I can’t believe this guy shouldn’t be going to Keith. He does speech just less than two weeks after the fire. This guy stands in front of you is living testimony to the power of these techniques. Now. I don’t want anyone to have to deal with something quite that severe, but they can help you with all the issues your life. They make you resilient. Incredible. Thank you for sharing the Towson. What does your morning routine look like? I wake up in the morning and I meditate addictively predictably, literally because an ad of mine, I mentioned the dynamite earlier now undermine his list molecule and Nanda is the Sanskrit word for lists.
Dawson: It was discovered in the mid 1990s and it docks with certain receptor sites in your brain like a lock in a key. Now it docks with the same receptor sites as THC and THC is the active ingredient in marijuana, but you make your own natural THC in your brain called an antibody in school of its molecule for a very good reason. So you meditate like that and you feel wonderful. Meditation Produces Serotonin in your brain. Psilocybin is the advent we need to magic mushrooms. And so what happens is when you better take it to the steep way, you make lots of lots of Serotonin in your brain. Now you’re high on Psilocybin, you’re high on THC, and it’s coming from within your own synapses and your brain. So you wake up in the morning and there’s nothing you want more than that. A tape, you feel addicted to these wonderful listen using chemicals and it was meditate first thing in the morning and you feel great. So I give you all the instructions on that meditation on my [inaudible] Dot Com and also with the book by to that. So it’s all there in the book. I do that first thing in the morning, then I, I dance meditation. I’ll stop the daily routine. Our baby have a transition into the day after that. But Meditation is the foundation of every day for me. And once you’ve trained yourself to do this, all of those neurochemicals of lists, if you’re addicted to feeling that good,
Guy: yeah, it’s a good addiction, that’s for sure. Um, if you could have dinner with anyone in the world tonight, from any timeframe,
Guy: Anywhere, anyone, who would it be, do you think? And why?
Dawson: I think the great spiritual teachers like Jesus and Buddha, uh, they, they, they transcended their reality and they preached a very different message 2000 years ago from the world in which they lived. And I think that they were thousands of years ahead of their time. And so those great spiritual teachers, the great adducts of history, I, I would, might think about that because to sit with those people and they’re not just to be in their wisdom because they’re there, they’re their words would have said to us, with our minds, we create the world. Now Science is showing that’s reality. Jesus talked about love and compassion in a world in which there wasn’t a lot of love and compassion. There was a lot of brutality and competition, strife. And so just hearing those words, but then feeling the energy of those boxes, I’d love to have dinner with and sit with the spiritual buster. And the cool thing is basically you meditate and you get to be in that state and even every day.
Guy: Fantastic. And um, is there anything you’d like to leave our listeners to ponder on from everything we’ve covered today?
Dawson: The likelihood I find I teach a lot, a lot of live workshops and they’re all that schedules is email@example.com website and you take workshop with me for our trainers with one of our practitioners. But I teach a workshop, these workshops and I find that people are living guy, a tiny subset of their potential. They have this much potential and they’re living as though they had that much potential. So they moan and Groan and have tragic stories about their health and their weight and their bodies and their diseases and their money and their relationships and how they are part of my pie, the love the career and all these tragic stories. And I, I sympathize with every one of them and I believe none of them because I know even as the person tells me that sad story, that they are being an infinite potential. And as we tap, as we meditate together, I find those stories totally change their happiness at that.
Dawson: At that a week long retreat where people’s cortisol drop 37% and their immunoglobulins rose by 113% their anxiety and depression drop their happiness rose by 31% and stay that way as we followed up in the months and years later, later. So I know that you’d be much happier than you are, much less stressed than you are. Flood your brain with neurochemicals of lists every day and basically transform yourself into a vibrantly happy human being. So the big messages when you hear yourself saying, Oh, this is just my, the truth of me, my body, my work by wake my career, by my relationship, don’t believe your own story. You are capable of far more. You could have love flooding through your life. You have fulfillment and passion and creativity just as your daily staple. You can be productive, you can be creative, you can love your work, you can have huge amounts of creativity flowing through you. All of these are possible. And when you hear himself make yourself small, don’t believe a word of it.
Guy: Beautiful. That’s, that’s a great place to end it on. And, um, if anyone wants to grab a copy of book mind to matter, I do have a year. Um, amazing. Yeah, I’m assuming I’m, well, I’m in Australia. It did definitely come from somewhere. I’m not sure where, but I know it can be ordered. And um, where’s the best place to send everyone if they want to learn more about what you do,
Dawson: if you go to mindtomatter.com you get those seven free meditations, you also get the first couple of chapters of the book free. Also, I really ask people now to leave me reviews on Amazon. My goal is to have over 1,005 star reviews and people are just sharing about the book in meditation circles on Amazon reviews to their friends. And I so want people to know this information and be inspired change. Because if you could just share a review on Amazon, share review on Facebook, share any way you know with people in your life that you love it will, it can so change their lives. So please do share. But all the, all those links are at mindtomatter.com including the free meditations,
Dawson: free tapping scripts and a link to the place he lead that review.
Guy: Beautiful. Dawson thank you so much for coming on today and thank you for bringing this book out. And, um, yeah, I was bust. Like I said at the beginning, I was busting to get you back on the show to discuss a little bit more. So bring more awareness to your work and, uh, truly grateful. So thank you.
Dawson: It’s been a pleasure. Thank you.