#93 My awesome guest this week is Penney Peirce. Best-selling author of ten books including; Frequency, Transparency and The Intuitive Way.
I first heard about Penney’s book ‘ Frequency’ many years ago, and she is someone I was excited to bring on the show today. We dive into exploring the dynamics of our own energy and how this can impact or frequency, and also how we can start trusting our intuitive knowledge that’s beyond the analytical mind. Enjoy!
About Penney: Penney Peirce is a respected clairvoyant empath, visionary, author, and popular lecturer and trainer. For well over thirty years, she has taught and counseled thousands of people internationally, in all walks of life. She is one of the early pioneers in the intuition development movement, specializing in expanded perception, inner energy dynamics, dreamwork, and transformation.
She helps leaders, professionals, artists, and those on a spiritual path discover the hidden dynamics of what makes for true success. Penney is the author of ten books, including Transparency, Leap of Perception, Frequency, and The Intuitive Way.
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Guy: Hi, I’m Guy Lawrence and you are listening to the Guy Lawrence podcast. If you’re enjoying this content and you want to find out more and join me and come further down the rabbit hole, make sure you head back to the guylawrence.com.au. Awesome guys. Enjoy the show.
Guy: Penney, welcome to the podcast.
Penney: It’s good to be here.
Guy: Now I ask everyone on the show, and I’d love to hear your answer on this. If you are on an airplane and you sat next to a complete stranger and they asked you what you did for a living, what would you say
Penney: that has been quite the challenge over the years, especially having moved to Florida. I just say I write self help books, but um, because there’s no label. Do you know for what I do, it’s more like a process. So I usually, I try to describe, I do counseling, I write, I teach workshops on, you know, consciousness and intuition development.
Penney: I go, Oh, and then they turn away,
Guy: unless you were sitting next to me and then I would be
Penney: exactly then. And then it’s the whole plane. Right. It’s the talk
Guy: Bingo! I know, cause we weren’t even talking off air just now about how this work for me felt very foreign for a very long time. And they kind of would see it in the self help industry if you like. And, and, um, but they never really made sense until I started having my own embodied experiences. And then from that I was like, huh, now I know what they’re on about. Now I get it. Yeah. You know, and I’ll never forget, uh, a very dear friend of mine, um, who’s been involved in this work a very long time. And I was helping me, was my own, I guess, transition through this work. And had a very long reading list of recommended reading. So I would go to his website and to slowly, and your, yours was on their frequency.
Penney: Okay. Yeah.
Guy: Frequency. And that’s when I first heard of you. Yeah.
Penney: Oh wow. Yeah. So books, go out and make friends for you.
Penney: I would say my experiences, you know, it’s somewhat parallel in a way. I, um, I started, I was a corporate art director and graphic designer and interior designers. So I, uh, I learned a lot about, um, I don’t know, you know, when you’re a designer you’re looking at problem solving, the in a practical sense and, but also you have to use your creativity and you have to feel into things like if you’re going to design a logo for somebody, you have to feel who are they in what will actually symbolize who they are. So I had it, I think it was good training for doing this kind of work.
Guy: Is that what led you into it? I was going to ask you, how did you end up doing this work?
Penney: No, it, um, well that’s, that’s like sort of the outer training I had, but I always had these, um, secret interests I guess in the mysteries and you know, my mother believed in reincarnation and I said, well, yes, of course, or see and I was five years old. Yes, of course. That’s really why he is the way it is. Um, but I read a lot of books in, Oh gosh, high school. I guess even, you know, about psychic discoveries behind the iron curtain and all kinds of things and uh, and that there were two parallel tracks. So I was doing the outer thing and then the inner thing was going and then they kind of came together there eventually when I was in my, Oh, twenties, I guess, mid twenties in California.
Penney: Where I, I realized actually I took, okay, they everything was burgeoning there and exploding with consciousness kinds of things in Northern California at that time, San Francisco area. And uh, they had actually had classes in clairvoyance development, which I was like, I didn’t know you could like study, that kind of thing. But I was very visual. I was, you know, a graphic artist. And so I thought, well, maybe I, that sounds cool. So I took them, I did it. And boy that was like the turning point. And I realized I was getting imagery that actually meant something about a person’s life, that it was real. And it was like, Oh boy, this is amazing. And then I was hooked, you know, after that. And then it just grew. And grew, and grew and grew and grew and I mean a million things started happening once I got on the right track.
Guy: Yeah. Got it. And that’s the thing. How do you learn to trust that or even develop that in the first place?
Penney: Well, I think it helps that I’m a double Leo and I’m sorry, I think you know, you’re self centered, but um, you know, like I, if I got bored with something, I would veer away from it and then I would veer toward the next thing. That was really interesting. So it was kind of like the zigzagging path, um, because I didn’t want to be bored and I wouldn’t put up with it. I couldn’t put up with it. And I think it just led me on, you know? Yeah. And then I just, yeah, I just learned it that, um, the things worked that way, that, you know, I would be led to things that were correct.
Guy: Yeah. It’s a difficult thing to trust that I found initially.
Penney: Yes. I was maybe a little naive because, um, I worked for corporations for a while and then when I got laid off, eh, when I up to that Northern California and suddenly there I was, uh, I had some unemployment insurance that I could get by and all my vendors that I had worked with for graphics, they farmed workout to me. And suddenly I had a freelance business. It’s almost like the path opened. Do you know what I mean? It’s like just opened in front of me and then I, I took the next step and then I did the next thing. And then there was like a weaving too, like threads weaving into a braid. And, um, I sorta just proceeded along, you know, but with the kind of sense of rightness or just rightness that you know, and, and then it was demonstrated to me, like if I didn’t have enough clients, I would realized suddenly that I had just said that I was tired. And then the universe would say, okay, you want to rest? Okay, we won’t give you anybody. And then I would say, well, wait, no, wait. I’m thinking I’d like to work with people and then the phone would ring again, you know, so it was, I could really start to feel my connection with my universal self or the, you know, the field and how it all was working together and I was getting what I needed.
Penney: Nothing was wrong.
Guy: Yeah. And that triggers a question in me. How would you describe it to someone? Cause I’ve heard you, I use the term unified field if I’m not mistaken.
Guy: How would you describe that to someone that maybe just looking at this work for the first time?
Penney: The unified field? Well, I think you start to discover it when you meditate. Um, like when I would meditate, I’d go down into my body and I’d feel myself as a collection of particles all just floating in space, right. And my skin was particles and there was space in between the particles. And then I would go out beyond my skin. And then there was no line there. There was like particles of the air and particles of the chair and they were maybe slightly different frequencies, but it just kept, if I take my ex my attention out okay and expand my, my bubble, it was all the same kind of basic, you know, particles and stuff, face with various frequencies running throughout it. And then I realized, well, you know, I am, there’s no line that makes me just be here and that this is all I am.
Penney: And then I realized, well, I am the whole thing. That’s my big body. Um, and yet in, in this present moment, um, my focus can be, uh, as a personality or when I meditate, it can be as a soul, you know, or I could be the solar system. And I started to experiment with that expansion and contraction of that feeling of my, I don’t know if you’d call it your, your space, your reality. I, I, you know, your sphere, um, and your present moment. Uh, and, and that, that was me in that moment, but I was constantly changing and I was everything from IME to am us. And, and that if I didn’t put a definition on it, that I was the whole thing, you know? And that’s the stars and every, it’s everything that inside the physical world is this world of light particles of light. You know, it’s like the quantum physics, right?
Guy: Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, I’ve had a number of quantum physicists on, on here and, and how it broke down. And that was the language that allowed me to look and really start to delve into this work and got me across the line, you know, first place.
Penney: Yeah. Because metaphysics and physics are just frequencies of the same thing, you know, you know, they’re not separate. So that has always made really a lot of sense to me. Although I’m not trained in science, I really feel, you know, structural a lot in the way I understand consciousness. It’s an energy and things like that. It’s very, very practical to me in a way.
Guy: Yeah. And I’d love to get your view on, on this topic of consciousness as well, because I’ve heard you speak as well, that we’re in the midst of it, of transformation. And we’re moving from information age to intuition, age. I’d love you to break that down for us a little bit, please.
Penney: Okay. Um, so let’s see. I’ll try and describe. It’s a process, right? And first of all, I think we need to understand that transformation is different than change. I always think of changes like you have objects on a tabletop and you rearrange them, like, you know, and they’re still the same objects but they’re in a different pattern. You know, nothing’s really shifted that much. But transformation is a dimensional shift like you go from, I always say, you know, you put take a dot and you put a whole bunch of dots together and you get the line, okay, that’s a transformation. Then you put a bunch of lines together and you get the plane, you put a bunch of plans together and you get the cube. Now we’re in three dimensional reality, which is the cubic reality and we’re moving to the end of that kind of consciousness or that freak, let’s see, of consciousness and what’s the next thing? Well, it’s a miracle. And, um, so, but what that means is a long explanation.
Guy: Yeah. Yeah.
Penney: So, um, but transformation is a major shift of perception out of what we’ve been used to, which is very linear way of thinking, past, present, future, beginning, middle end, you know, um, everything’s in a line and it’s kind of slow. There’s, we have, you know, points along a line and then you have these imagined gaps between the points, which gives you the illusion that I have to cross this empty gap to get to the next thing or goal. And then that takes time and you know, it’s slow. All right. So when you shift out of that kind of linear perception into spherical, this is different. The geometry is actually different. All right, so you’re in the center of the ball. You and I were in the center of our, our sphere right now. And we never leave that center point, but the ball gets bigger or smaller.
Penney: It encompasses a lot of the body of knowledge of life or, or a little bit. It could be physical, it could be mental, it can be emotional, it can be spiritual, it can be global, you know, all those are focal links of our, so, you know, it’s all there and everything actually is inside the ball with us. This is like weird. Okay. So we’re realizing that there’s actually no outside world. That’s a big, one of the big tenets of the shift is that, um, everything is contained within your present moment. All frequencies, all variables, all potential realities, all time, all space. Um, and so what you place your attention on is what becomes real for you. If you take your attention out of something, it fades back into the background. Okay. So we’re learning these new principles actually, but so, and this is all happening because of an acceleration on the planet of, and God knows why that’s going on.
Penney: But you know, the Schumann resonance in the center of the planet is getting very, very high. It’s spiking. It went from like seven point, what was it, 7.8 or something, which was the normal [inaudible], a Hertz frequency to up to 15 or 20. And now it’s spiking up over a hundred and it’s resting a lot around 50 sometimes, you know, so that is the vibration of the planet. But our bodies are made of the planet. They’re made of earth. Do you know, so our bodies are paralleling the, the acceleration of the planet and we feel that, you know, we have been feeling it for quite a long time in that we’ve been buzzing and getting very electrical and having these symptoms of overheating and, um, you know, our emotions are out of control and, and you know, we’re frustrated. We want everything to be really fast.
Penney: And, uh, you know, they’re, I, I’ve outlined a lot of those in my book frequency. Uh, but, but it’s all about acceleration, right? And so what’s happening because of that acceleration then two is that we cannot process information very much anymore. You know, it’s like, um, there’s so much data. It’s everywhere that we used to be able to do it bit by bit, bite by bite in a linear process, but now there’s too much and it’s overwhelming. So you can’t process it the same logical way that means there’s this pressure building. It’s causing us to almost just need to like, you know, just break through and means to ceiling. You have to kind of blank out from having the control over information into going into your right brain where it’s all known all at once. Everything is known and it’s direct knowing it’s intuition, you know, and we are in and out in and out of that transition all the time. I think we’re okay, we get overloaded and then we can, you know, blank out and we go into it and then we go back to the old way and then that doesn’t work anymore. It’s too slow. And then we go try it. And you know, another instantaneous thing. So we’re learning at this point, I think in our history what that new reality could be like. Yeah. Does that, does that make sense?
Guy: How did it, it does to me 100% you know, I’d probably have to literally listen to that again at the same time. But there’s a few key points that I want to try and reiterate for everyone, including myself was the first thing in mid me that when you first started talking about where we put our attention is what we bring into form and reality. So that made me think of the double slit experiment on the observer effect a quantum physics. We’re saying that it’s only when we observe something, something comes into form particle and wave. So I often wonder and I think is my toilet in the bathroom right now? If nobody’s looking at it, I’m not sure, but, but I hear what you’re saying, but on the same level then with the frequency of the planet, I’m assuming then is that sort of like nudging us into our own personal transformation and if we keep resisting there’s going to be more difficulty as a, should we surrender into it?
Penney: Right. Well I think yes, the answer is yes, but also, um, it’s a struggle at this point because we’re very identified with our left brain and the way the left brain perceives reality, which is about separation were individual people separated from other bodies. Everything seems separate, you know, and, and so the left brain really is about compartmentalizing, categorizing, and, you know, they say the function of the left brain is to interrupt the right brain. Cause if you were in your right brain, you couldn’t talk, it would, it’s all known all at once. You have to have a function that interrupts and puts a focus into that huge body of knowledge. In other words, like you’re saying, place attention on something and it will come forth so that you can see it and name it and perceive it and make meaning out of it and make a reality here on earth, you know?
Penney: Um, and so, you know, you know, I think part of it is, Oh, you know, w where it’s a, it’s a complicated thing. We’re starting to unlearn an old way that has been almost our entire history on the planet. To be able to know that you can place attention on something. And if it’s fully there, if your attention is totally into what you’re imagining, it will occur. But we have a belief that everything has to be gradual. So it, you know, we, we, it still is taking time, but I’m seeing more and more now that there are a lot of instantaneous things happening, like instantaneous healing. Yeah. And, and also, um, immediate repercussions from the way we think. Or you ask for something and you really mean it and you get it the next day, you know, like it, it is happening, right? So, so attention is the key thing.
Penney: It is the focus of our consciousness and it is in the present moment fully. It’s all about presence. And so it, it is the skill of the future, but of course there’s no future. So it’s the skill of now. Yeah. Right. Because, you know, I, I have this conversation a lot with [inaudible] people who said, I’m setting my intention for this to happen. Well, you know, that’s futurizing. And in the new intuition age, there’s no past or future. It’s like this giant present moment that has swallowed up the past and future and all they are your memories or your ideas are possible realities that have particular frequencies to them there let’s say particular combinations of variables that exist in the imaginal realm. Okay. You know, we combined them and we got this reality of like abusive parents or kind parents or you know, went to college, didn’t go to college, whatever. Um, and we can still now combine any variable variables. We want to create any reality we want. And that’s the freedom that we’re coming into. This kind of almost magical way of, um, living on earth and playing in creative field, you know, to both create and to, to materialize. I call it now not manifest, but materialize and de materialize. I think that’s partly why we’re here. Yeah. Out of spirit. Because in spirit that kind of thing doesn’t exist.
Guy: So at tension then is where we play. So I always think about where, where we place our attention is where we place high energy.
Penney: Well, it’s the same
Guy: I, but then so, so we, I feel like looking back in my life, I hadn’t, I hadn’t been trained or even aware of where my attention was going on a daily basis cause I was so distracted by my own stories on my own things.
Penney: Right. That’s why I think a lot, we’re in a process of clearing, I call it clearing the clutter, you know? Um, I’ve gone through processes of like losing my stories, like my, his, my personal history and thing who is walking down the hall of my house right now, you know, like who’s hungry at this moment? And uh, um, and then realizing I don’t need any of those stories of that history because I’m free of it all. But it’s useful to communicate with other people so you can use it as long as you don’t get attached to it and identify too much with it because then you’re limited in what you can create. Yeah. Right. And so then part also of clearing yourself is clearing all the old fear ideas or places where you would have reacted and I call it contractions. Right. You know, where, where you inhaled and forgot to exhale again. And, um, and, and then just seeing the mistake in the original perception that you had and say, well, you know, I’m bigger than all that and I’ll know I won’t walk down the dark alley at night. You know, I’m not stupid, you know, but I don’t have to create danger in my life either.
Guy: Yeah, of course. Of course. And how much do you think then we are run? How much do you think fear is playing a part in all of this then? It must be okay. Oh,
Penney: tall. Tremendous. I mean, that’s why we have this society in the, you know, the way life operates today because of separation, because of the way the left brain perceived separation. Yeah. It looks like we are separate objects, right. And that there is this outside world that can, that is bigger than we are, that can, that can hurt us or dominate us that we, you know, we’re helpless against. And that is, uh, an old human belief when we start to realize that we’re souls and that that reality out there is a materialization of our thoughts and feelings. But of course, we’re all in this together, creating the co, creating this huge reality out of all of our thoughts and feelings, you know, so as some of us start changing into a clearer perception, we’re not buying into the old fear-based realities anymore. And the more we can get a group together that doesn’t do that, the faster I think we will actually have a transformation, you know, which is that shift into that higher, a more frictionless reality.
Guy: Yeah. And how much of a, you know, the years you’ve been looking at this embodied work, I mean, you’ve written as a temp books. Yeah. Like amazing. Amazing. And how much have you seen this new way of thinking, this new paradigm coming in over the, the space that you’ve been involved? Do you think it’s quick and then, and, and, and more people are catching up to it?
Penney: Yes. Yeah. I, I, um, when I first started in this, you couldn’t really even say the word intuition. Like we were trying to work in a group of us in San Francisco. We’re trying to work with business and they would think you were like, um, you know, woo woo and off the wall, you know, intuition in business. No. Um, and now it’s common. Creativity and intuition are just, you know, kind of more ordinary. Yeah. So people have the times have sped up and people’s bodies and consciousness are in a process of clearing the old fear. They’re in the process of undergoing the stages of transformation. Now, you know, and I’ve written about that again in frequency, I’ve outlined stages of this transformation process. And I’m, no, I think it is doable. Does it become clear? Basically?
Guy: Yeah. Does transformation need to be difficult?
Penney: No. No. It’s, it’s there. I think the resistance to each of the phases that makes it seem difficult and slow. Okay. Um, you know, and, and the biggest part of it is that, um, I think that the acceleration on the planet has caused the body to vibrate so fast that for one thing, we’re all becoming ultra sensitive and empathic, which, you know, we didn’t use to feel all the things that we feel now. We weren’t able to see all the things that we see now. The things that we used to have like, um, areas that we could suppress and deny and push down. And then we never had to look at it again. Like, uh, like, um, you know, sexual abuse or pedophile priests or you know, scandals and things that could be hidden 20 years ago but not now. It all pops up to the surface, you know, and the same thing happens now because I think that the frequency of the subconscious mind has risen.
Penney: That means the fears that were stuffed down there, they can’t stay there anymore because that realm is too fast. And so those things, I was like going into to popcorn popping, you know, the heat has been applied and this stuff cannot stay hidden. So it’s popping up into the conscious mind where suddenly we notice it again and we may notice it by reenacting having a similar experience to something that happened to us in a past life or in our childhood. And then that thing that we didn’t want to have to face is in our face, you know, and, and it’s time to look at it and see it with the mature eyes and with a loving heart. And I understand that you didn’t see the whole picture before that, you know, you put it in its right place and then poof, it dissolves and you’re more of yourself.
Guy: Yeah. I love that analogy. I just, I just can relate to that in my own life so much, so much. And I was resisting for years there. The popcorn was popping and I reckon there would’ve been about two or three years where I’m like, ah, I’m not going there. I’m not going there. And then it just got too much. And when I went there, you know, cause I was doing this work and the more I was doing in it, the, there was a quickening from it. But at the same time, the moment I’ve fully surrendered into it and, and really like you said, start to witness it with a mature set of eyes and a loving heart. Boy, it was just like taking this huge backpack off me that I’d carried my whole.
Penney: Yeah, I, I’ve notice that, um, when you stop feeding those patterns with your attention, cause remember when you place attention on something, you, it becomes real. And so the patterns we have in childhood, let’s say, and everybody tells their story about, well I’m this way because this happened to me when I was little. You know, or if this is my history and I did this and I did this and I did that. But especially the negative things, if you keep your attention on them, they keep staying with you. And if you resist them and hate them and don’t want to see them, you’re still putting attention on them. And so you hold them to yourself and then you, you know, they, you know, that’s part of who you are. Then that’s what you’re telling the world that you are. If then you can notice that you’re doing that and stop feeding it and saying, well, that’s not really what I want to put my attention on.
Penney: I’m a different kind of person now, or I’m, you know, I’m much more than that little pattern. You know, I learned something from it and I’m understanding it, but not, I don’t care about it. And you get kind of like nonplussed about these things. It’s like it, the, the more you, um, don’t pay attention to those things, the more it’s like they forget, you forget about them. It’s like you say, gosh, was I sexually abused or did that happen to one of my friends and they told me about that. No. Or is that just like a human thing? You know, that happens to everybody. I don’t own it, you know, and then it’s like, it, it just fades out and it’s bizarre. You know, he thought it was so real and now it’s just like, you can’t even remember it. Yeah. I’ve seen that happen over and over again.
Guy: Yeah. And I think of a Hab slow as well. What fires together, wires together and what doesn’t. And wires.
Penney: That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. I’m sure there’s a total physical correspondence in the brain and in the body and then the synapses for this, um, inner process of, of attention or no attention. Yeah,
Guy: yeah, totally. What tips would you give for someone listening to this that is thinking, okay, I’m, I want to improve my attention where I place it. I want to sort of diffuse that emotional charge that keeps coming up every day. Um, and I want to move, let go of the old self and really step into this work. And like, are there any sort of little tips that you’d give someone starting out?
Penney: Yeah. Um, again, in, in my book frequency, I talk a lot about, um, finding your home frequency, which is, I’m not matching other people’s vibrations, but feeling inside you for your favorite kind of state of being, you know, like your, your a preferred state, you know, and, and everybody’s is a little different, but they’re all pretty much the same. You know, I sometimes get to it by imagining I’m playing with a puppy or looking at a little baby’s shiny eyes or I’m just feeling cheerful and sincere and simple and amused. I think self entertainment is a very high state of what you think yourself into that state and, and that it’s relaxed. You’re willing to be amused. You’re, you’re, you know, fine, everything’s fine, you know, and um, and when you’re in that state, then you can think clearly cause you’re in your, your own vibration or I sometimes I call it your original tone.
Penney: Like if you struck a tuning fork and that was your tone and every part of you comes into a nice resonance with that. Ah, it feels so good. So then you have to take a sort of snapshot of that state, you know, and then compare it to your worst possible state when you’re all freaked out and tight and solid and messed it up, you know, and then go, wait a minute, do I want to like, feel like that? Or can I go back to my preferred state? So you learned to choose to feel the way you want to feel because that’s up to you. Like nobody can make you feel bad if you don’t want to. Well, that’s one thing you know, and have a sometimes a little, a way of triggering yourself back into it. Like mine sometimes is like, I think cheerful wellness helps me a lot.
Penney: Like if I can imagine that or even have a sensation of like no melting butter or a warm pink and Gore or sweater or you know, like, you know, these are things that feel like the way I like to feel inside of myself and everybody has different ones. Um, and okay. Return to that as often as possible. Um, and then catch yourself, ask yourself cat to catch your left brain when it gets overactive in that, um, okay. Protective mode. And in that mode it will always spin out these negative. Do claritive statements about who I don’t dance. No, I don’t know how to do public speaking. No, I can’t, you know, and it’ll just keep negating everything about you, you know, and no, I have terrible luck in relationships, you know, or whatever it is. It, you know, and, and um, you catch those and even write them down and then write the opposite of it and then feel into that opposite statements and say, what would it be like if that were my reality? Okay. You’ve just changed it, you know? So there are a number of, of little simple techniques I think, where we can get ourselves out of that habitual, you know, S yeah. Hamster wheel, you know?
Guy: totally, totally. I’ve found, um, you can certainly play to your op at, you can train your attention to see opportunity just as much as you would’ve seen obstacles in the.
Penney: Yeah. Yeah. And maybe you’d have to face the fact that, why was I getting energy from being a victim? Hmm. Why did I make other people treat me like a victim in order to feel myself? And then you’ll, you may be feel very embarrassed or ashamed and then you set to forgive yourself and say, well, I don’t have to do that anymore. But sometimes you have to face these ways that the ego tries to control reality so that it thinks you won’t get hurt. Do you know what I mean? It’s like either be a victim and be right by being wrong, you know, or be a narcissist and try to control everything about the reality so it’ll agree with you. And that’s a whole lot of work. Yeah. Instead of just being yourself and letting things be.
Guy: Yeah, totally. No, it’s very friend. I am, I got some questions I’d like to ask you that I ask everyone on the show. And the first one is [inaudible] what’s been a low point in your life, but as later turned out to be a blessing?
Penney: I’ve had several times in my life where somebody wants to, to me, it’s like you took a whole bunch of sticks of dynamite and lifted the mall at once. It was like, like I took all my karma in one year or something. Um, and I had losses and depths and, you know, just crazy experiences. And I was just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Um, I was betrayed, you know, everything you could think of practically. And I, um, I got the advice. Did, don’t try to prove yourself to anybody else right now. Don’t try to overcome it. Just let it, let it be and get on with what you you’d like to do. And even if it’s very small, it’s okay. And I got, I slowly moved through that, that dense period and came out the other side. Um, and then when I look back on those things, it’s like, uh, I could see a lot of it was, you know, old stuff where I was trying to get approval from others, but mainly it was other people’s problems that, um, we’re showing up in my field and I was relating to them and in matching the energy of them, you know, and I, I learned a lot about not doing that.
Penney: So that’s like one example.
Guy: Yeah. Cool. Going off on a tangent here, I just triggered thought then, do you think then the difficulties in our life are here to teach us lessons or do we create our own reality? I mean, what’s your sort of thoughts around that?
Penney: Well, I think we, yeah, it’s like a, a blending of what you just said. I think we do create, these are all the experiences, but along with other people, we’re not alone in, in creating our own reality cause we’re part of a collective consciousness. So, but I may have had, um, like I, I’m going to look back on that time and say that maybe what was going on with me was that I wasn’t fully enough taking up my own space. I wasn’t coming forth that enough with my own energy. And so other people came in, dominated me, betrayed me, rejected me, did I had losses, which I took personally. And that was me showing myself the repercussions of having that kind of, of thought pattern. When I look back on it later, I could see, Oh, I was thinking that. And that was my set of instructions to the field around me. And then that’s how everybody acted. Okay. As soon as I shifted it, then everything turned around and was fine again, you know, so aye set it up. But everybody else played their roles too. You know, w we co-created experiences for each other. The people who betrayed me got to feel selfish and you know, afraid of not being good enough so they had to take something from me. You know, everybody learns something.
Guy: Yeah, totally, totally. Um, what is your morning routine look like?
Penney: Ah, uh, I am not a very disciplined, um, meditator or exerciser, so I basically get up and I, I basically, I leave a time in the morning to do housework and cleaning and gardening, you know, physical work basically. Um, and then I just get started on computer and working and writing or doing whatever project I’m on. Take breaks on and off.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Very simple. Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. Um, if you could have dinner with anyone tonight, from any timeframe, anywhere in the world, who do you think it would be and why?
Penney: Kind of like to have dinner with Jane Austin and just see what she’s really all about. And, um, if I could have my consciousness as it is today to to open her up into some new level of her awareness and then I would wonder what kind of books she might write after that.
Guy: Fair enough. Fair enough. And, uh, last question, is there anything about yourself that most people wouldn’t know?
Penney: Huh. I grew up on a farm for quite awhile. Um, I have done a lot of work with horses and all kinds of animals and um, ah, moved, I moved a lot growing up every two years practically. And so I had quite a few years on different farms, but also I lived in the city and that all kinds of different kinds of experiences. So, um,
Guy: yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, I put you on the spot the last couple of questions, but that’s fine. And um, just to, just to wrap it up as well, with everything that we’ve covered today, which is be quite a bit actually, um, is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?
Penney: I, I think that I want people to know that this transformation and clearing themselves is not that hard. It’s really a function of your attention and that part you can do, you know, that is your choice about how you want to feel. And, um, I think that, you know, by, in some ways, by being a dominator or a victim around other people, April, you’re actually doing violence to them in this odd way. And I think we all have to kind of make a decision to be, to create no more harm, to create no more karma, you know? And, and that’s the golden rule, isn’t it? You know, to treat other people the way you want to be treated and, um, and, and be careful about what you say an and how you treat people. Cool.
Guy: Yeah. Beautiful. And for anyone that wants to buy one of your books or check out your work and your website, where’s the best place we can send them? Penney?
Penney: Yeah, I’ve just redesigned my website, so it’s just my name, penneypeirce.com. But my name is spelled oddly, it’s E Y for the first name. And EI for the second name. Um, so all my books are featured on there and you can get them through Amazon and pretty much anywhere.
Guy: Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. I’ll, if people listen to this by the podcast, they’ll be able to pause it right now and scroll down. That’d be linked to your website there as well, and sleep back on my website as well. So, um, yeah. Wonderful. Penney, thank you so much for coming on today and doing all that you do. You know, you’ve been influenced on my life with your work and, uh, it was truly an honor to have you on my show today and be able to
Penney: thank you. Uh, I’d love to do it again. You’re a great interviewer.
Guy: Thank you penny. I really appreciate it.
Penney: Well, have a great day.
Guy: I will. You too. Thank you.