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Humanity Is Dividing Into Two Realities — And AI Is Accelerating It | Guy Lawrence

May 8, 2026 Cyrus Bacat

#417 In this podcast episode, Guy talked with listeners about the overwhelm caused by endless information, contradicting experts, and reliance on AI, and he contrasted artificial intelligence with developing “authentic intelligence” through intuition and connection to source. He used an analogy from Itzhak Bentov’s “Stalking the Wild Pendulum” to describe consciousness as omnipresent and argued that modern life severs people from this field.

He referenced Gregg Braden’s discussion of DNA as a fractal antenna and claimed emotions like gratitude and love “open” DNA while fear and stress contract it, reducing intuitive access. He also cited White Eagle Medicine Woman’s teachings on brain glands as “switchboards” for intuition and inner light. He offered practical prompts and stillness practices, promoted a live webinar on “The Soul Solution,” and mentioned retreats designed to create embodied experience and reconnection.

If you enjoyed this podcast, you may also like: Why Your Life Looks Fine But You’re Screaming Inside | Guy Lawrence

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Key Points Discussed:

  • (00:00) – Humanity Is Dividing Into Two Realities — And AI Is Accelerating It!
  • (01:00) – The Real AI Revolution Isn’t Artificial
  • (02:00) – The Webinar Pitch: Solving Modern Overwhelm
  • (02:20) – The Airplane Analogy That Explains Consciousness
  • (03:18) – What Happens Beyond the Speed of Light?
  • (04:02) – “We’d Be Everywhere at Once”
  • (04:40) – Are Humans Generating Consciousness… or Receiving It?
  • (05:48) – Why He Trusts Inner Knowing Over External Noise
  • (06:18) – Gregg Braden’s DNA Discovery Changed Everything
  • (07:08) – Your DNA May Function Like a Cosmic Antenna
  • (08:00) – The “Goldfish Bowl” Metaphor for Human Awareness
  • (08:42) – 50 Trillion Cells Constantly Receiving Information
  • (09:18) – How Fear, Lifestyle & Technology Disconnect Us
  • (10:02) – Gratitude vs Fear: What Happens Inside Your DNA
  • (11:02) – Why Anxiety Literally Cuts You Off From Intuition
  • (12:00) – The Dangerous Way People Are Using AI Today
  • (13:08) – Spiritual Growth Works Like Building Muscle
  • (15:02) – “Do You Actually Want to Meet Your Authentic Self?”
  • (16:42) – The Crystal Skull Method & Activating the Brain’s “Switchboards”
  • (19:48) – The Question That Reveals Where You’ve Lost Yourself
  • (20:58) – Try This Before Asking AI for Another Answer
  • (22:02) – Why Direct Experience Matters More Than Belief Systems
  • (22:42) – The “Spiritual Gym” Concept Explained
  • (23:42) – Sign off message: Developing Your Own Authentic Intelligence
  • (24:05) – LIVE IN FLOW — Experience This Work in Person

 

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TRANSCRIPT

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Guy:
If you’re watching this right now, there’s a good chance you’re probably feeling overwhelmed by the amount of information out there. Endless scrolling that we ended up people are doing, experts contradicting each other, AI promising answers to pretty much everything now. And yet, you can’t hear yourself think, you’ve lost touch with the quiet inner knowing. Here’s the thing, right? We’ve been sold to that the idea of AI is omniscient, all knowing that it’s the new superconsciousness. But true omniscience, that belongs to divine consciousness, omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. AI can process data, but it can’t feel. It has no moral compass. No wonder, no wisdom, no yearning.

It doesn’t have the why behind the existence, only the what. What if the real AI revolution that’s happening on this planet right now isn’t about artificial intelligence at all. It’s about our inner AI, our authentic intelligence, the technology that’s inside all of us. The connection to source, your gut, to your heart, your intuition. That’s been actrifying the whole time because we’re outsourcing everything and all our energy is outward. Our attention is outward. So this podcast is me sharing about AI versus AI. Artificial intelligence versus developing our authentic intelligence. I believe now is the time in history. And if this resonates with you, let’s get into it.

Guy:
Awesome. One thing I wanna mention at the start of this podcast as well, I dive into all of this and what I’ve discovered from my own podcast over the years and from experiencing now over
5,000 people in person developing this work and helping people find their own authentic intelligence is that we are running a live webinar next week on the soul solution and it’ll be the sole solution to overwhelm. Live, you can join myself and Matt Omo. Uh, there’ll be links below. Anyway, let’s crack on with the podcast. So the first thing I want to talk to is, uh, what dropped out of me in a book called Stalking: The Wild Pendulum by Itzhak Bentov. I always get his name wrong. I apologize. It’s a mind blowing book, okay?

But I always remember this analogy about, imagine you’re on an airplane and you’re flying from, say, London to New York, and you ask the air hostess, “What time am I gonna arrive?” And the air hostess will pretty much be able to tell you because the, the weight of the plane, the amount of field being used, the wind direction, the, the height that you’re flying at, like, it’s, it’s incredible, right? Mathematically, what time that plane’s gonna land pretty much to the minute, okay? Now, that’s all Newtonian physics. Now, if that plane started speeding up, and it could reach London to New York in 30 seconds, and you said to her, “Where about, where are we flying over right now?” You would, she would probably struggle to start to get her orientation because it’s starting to move faster, okay?

And then, what if … Let me just, um, move this out of the way for a sec. What if, right? That plane was flying at the speed of light, okay? Now, if it was flying at the speed of light, I, if my mathematics are terrible, so how are you gonna guess this? Uh, it would go around the planet, I believe, seven times in one second. Now, when you asked her, “Where in the world are we right now before we reach New York?” She’d have a hard time figuring out anything, right, because you’ve already traveled around the world seven times. Now, what happens if you were actually going faster than the speed of light, okay? So fast, then what would she say?

She would say, “Oh my God, we’re everywhere.” All at once. Okay? We’d be omnipresent, omnipresent, and because it’s, it’s, the frequency is moving so fast, we would be everywhere, or all places, all at once. That is the field of consciousness, that is source. And what I’ve really believe is happening is that we are now, because of the amount of information, technological advantagements, we are severing ourselves more and more from this field of potential, this field of energy that is within us, around us, all through creation, all present all at once. But the fact that we are not present, we are not accessing that information, that relationship, because there’s two things you wanna consider here for a moment, right? So, and I never even considered this before, but our brain, our bodies, okay, are we generating consciousness? So we come in online, and then we’re having a physical experience, or are we actually antennas to receiving consciousness?

Now, they are two very different schools of thought, and I’m sure you can study science, you, you could find reasons for yes or no, and belief systems all around this. But what I’m ultimately speaking from is from my own experience, from my own wisdom, from my own knowing, and from my own authentic intelligence, and that’s development. What you do with this information is entirely up to you, okay? But the, the point being is, is that if we start looking at it, that we are receiver of information, that, that consciousness is actually information and light, and then we’re receiving it. Now, that’s a very different setup to who we are, and reclaiming ourselves, period.

Now, I had Gregg Braden on the podcast earlier this year. Let me just go over to some of my notes, or I got notes here. I’m actually not reading this off the script off. I’m just kind of winging it, feeling into it, and wanting to share, because I want my authentic intelligence to come through this microphone, and come to you so we can actually feel the connection genuinely, and I’ve been another thing that’s bombard- bomb I can’t even say my words, that’s scripted and just being put out there and good, regurgitated in this world of noise and information. I want to cut through with my heart from how I feel, how I am, who I’m being as an individual, as a person on the planet, and influence and support people that way from being the example of myself of what I want to see in the world out there, okay?

And that’s my inspiration for you, because how you, uh, you might be feeling right now if you’re listening to the podcast this. I’ve been through that journey, I continue to go through that journey, and I understand. I do. And what Gregg Braden really spoke to, if you don’t know what Gregg Braden is, you must be either living under a rock or you’re just stumbling across spirituality for the first time. Anyway, okay? So he cited on my podcast that scientific paper cited, uh, proceedings of soft computing theories and applications comfort states, that 3D DNA structure, so you know the, the ladder within the, you see famously, 3NA DNA structure behaves as fractal antenna, which can interact with electromagnetic fields over wide range of frequencies, okay?

So what does that mean? Uh, DNA just doesn’t pick up a signal. It can turn into a broad spectrum of information like a cosmic radio receiver. How cool is that, right? To me, that means the, the very field of information that we spoke about, like we’re goldfish swimming in a goldfish bowl and we’ve been swimming in our entire lives in this goldfish bowl and we don’t even know we’re swimming in it because that’s all we know. And we’re so thirsty, nobody’s told us to take us to drink. But now and then you might have a spiritual experience where somebody might even come and put their hand in the goldfish bowl and pull you out and you go, “Oh my God.” And you get to see the broader view all of a sudden and you realize that there’s way more to us than just being a physical human being.

Anyway, what does that equate to? Humans have approximately 50 trillion cells, each containing DNA in its nucleus. So that’s 50 plus trillion antennas tuning into and transmitting to the field of energy and information that underlines existence. This doesn’t even count for neurons, the DNA neurons that we have in our brains and our hearts and even in our guts, okay? I believe they’re in the guts as well. It’s wild, right? So what if we are actually a walking, live and breathing biological intelligence that is receiving this information, but this information is actually us and we are part of a greater field of information. But because of our lifestyles and because of the food choices we’re making and the landowner movement and the amount of fear being propagated on the planet and we are severing our own divine connection, right?

Now, I guess so passionate about is because there was even just in the Melbourne workshop, we’d literally flow back. I actually look a bit tired, geez. Uh who cares? Um, two days ago, and it was mind blowing what we achieved in just simple eight hours of actually starting to come back to presence and heightening that informational exchange connection to source energy. Cause once you start having those experiences, you, it changes the game. You can start to let go of what is your, what’s yours and what’s not yours or what you’ve chosen to hold onto and what’s not. And through that, you can start to come back to your authentic self, right? Now what blows my mind as well then is that where have I got it here?

Um, let me just find it the … Okay. So with the DNA, right, you can then think of it like a, like a coil. So when we’re in states of certain emotions and feelings like gratitude, love, peace, joy, that DNA opens up. So that means then our antennas can receive more information. So obviously then when we’re in those states of being, those practice states of being, then we are more attuned to our intuition, we start to trust ourselves more, we start to feel into states of love more and we view s- our perception changes of the world in a, in those moments. And when we’re in states of fear, anxiety, jealousy, frustration, rage, and so forth, those coils of DNA tighten like a knot, which is severing our connection to source energy to that information. And through that, then starts to feed into more overwhelm, more states of fear, and it’s perpetuating an inner cycle within us, and we continue to make unconscious choices based on patterns and behaviors that are not serving us because we are so disconnected, not only from the field, but then from ourselves as well, and we then just continue to perpetuate the problem by seeking outside of ourselves and not becoming inward and more present.

I’m hoping this makes self as well. So then our D- DNA cannot express its fullest capacity in any shape or form. But what I’ve found on my own journey as well, very … Hang on, let me just quote this, right? So the quality of our emotions changes the shape of the DNA. When we’re in fear, our DNA is wound up very tightly and cannot express well, there you go. Love and positive emotions loosen that DNA and it, and it’s that shape that determines where the antenna tunes into the field. So in translation of what Gregg quoted as well, if you’re stressed, paralyzed, overwhelmed, AI overloaded, using AI to outsource all our information and intelligence, oh, let me just see what AI has to say and I’ll just go and do that.

Your DNA antenna is contracted. You literally can’t access your own intuition, uh, your gut knowing your connection to source, okay? It’s when you’re in coherent states, gratitude, hearts headed presence, your DNA opens and you gain access to the infinite intelligence of the field. Now, I actually used AI to help me pull that out of Gregg Braden today, right? Really helpful. I, I give it stuff, I give it tasks, I do it, I use it, okay? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not, you’re just throwing rocks away. It’s a phenomenal tool, but I’m using it to support my own inner growth and my own inner journey. Coming up and actually talking to a podcast like this, talking from my heart, talking from my soul and talking from a place of where I want to contribute and grow at the same time and know that our work is getting so much track, uh, traction and impact with people, it’s like, it blows my mind that people are not even aware that all this actually is, exists, okay?

It’s all there, but it’s supporting me and helping me as I inform myself in the path that I’m choosing in my own life. I hope that makes sense, right? ‘Cause I know with my own journey when I was leaning into, um, this work, if you per se, and awakening, I have felt my, like, when I was in the, when I was in the physi- fitness industry, what, right? Keep going, I’m just trying to get out, was that, you know, you, you go to the gym, you, you find an, uh, something to, that’s resisting you, that you have to work harder than the current circumstance to overcome. So when you put weights on the bar or when you train or when you run up a hill or when you run faster, whatever, it’s creating a stimulus within you.

So you’re using a stress response that’s actually then creating an adaptation within the body and in that adaptation, then there’s growth that comes from that, okay? The muscles get bigger. You get stronger and you’re looking after yourself. And it’s no different with this stuff, this work. What I’ve noticed in my life, and as I’ve lent into this, as I’ve found presence, as I’ve started to develop this spiritual muscle per se, that my body is changing, it is adapting, it is able to hold deeper amounts of light or frequency and information, and I’m able to then slowly tune into it easier and easier, more and more, where it just becomes part of me, just like when you try something new for the first time. But what I’m noticing as well is that people even come to our events or they, they’ll find YouTube and do all this work and they just want the bells and whistles. They just want to be healed. They just want to get on with their life and just hope it goes away and go, “Yeah, that’s it. ” But not actually how we do one thing is how we do everything.

And there has to be foundational pieces put into place, consistently chopwood, carry water every day to develop this technology within us. And the question that I ask you is then, do you want to do it? Do you want to do the work? Do you want to meet your authentic self? Do you want to be the best version of yourself or do you want to stay in debilitating states and the stories that hold us there and stay in the quagmile of doing nothing? Indecision is by far has been on my journey the worst decision of all you just sit in this torturous pain. Oh my God, okay. What’s happened in our lives has happened in our lives and sadly nothing can rewrite that, rechange that per se, but what can happen is our relationship to how we see ourselves in these moments can start to change.

And the energy that we’re holding from the past in now at the present time can be liberated and changed. And then we start to see ourselves, everything very differently from that, okay? Uh, what was the other thing I wanted to mention here? Okay, so that’s how we develop in authentic intelligence, because even in my own body, it’s, it’s there, it’s a muscle. So even I had, uh, s- white eagle medicine woman on my podcast. I’ll put links, by the way, to the, these podcasts below. Now, she’s a lady, has become a friend of mine. She’s, uh, shaman, she’s, she spent, uh, decades in shamanic work and esoteric practices, decades, okay? Over time, she received what she was calling, um, a particular meth- method called the crystal skull method, the CSM, as direct transmission from grandmothers and grandfathers, and it’s a kind of map that synthesizes ancient cranial work, sacrogeometry, and modern understanding of the brain glands to activate the pineal, the pituitary, and the whole light circuitry system in the head, okay?

So what I find fascinating about this, so if Gregg Braden is talking about the DNA as antenna, right, and the, the neurons in the brain and the heart as these antenna. So what White Eagle medicine woman, uh, Suraj is talking about is that then the brain glands are the switchboards. If we got the antenna, the glands in the brain are actually the switchboards to allow this to govern on even more, right? So you got the pineal, the pituitary, the thalamus, the hypothalamus. So what that’s then doing is using the glands and the brain to evoke different signaling within the body to continue to grow this light. Isn’t that pretty amazing? So for instance, Pineal, the third eye, is for light vision and intuition.

The pituitary is the master gland, which obviously regulates hormones, The thalamus and hypothalamus are the relay centers, regulation and integration. So these are glands then that are hardware to our authentic intelligence, so we just haven’t learned how to switch them on and use them properly. That’s what we’re even doing at our retreats, right? We, we’re going in and we’re actually starting to stimulate and activate because they’re atrophying because we’re not using them. And if we keep outsourcing ourselves to everything and everyone else beyond us and not learning how to become our own guru, become our own source of information and start to connect to this, it’s gonna atrophy and we’re always gonna continue to perpetuate fear within ourselves and, and put blame and division and start throwing rocks at everything and everyone else, okay?

The narrative is constant division out there and we’re, we’re bigger than that. We’re bigger than that. So anyway, wow, I’ve, I’ve feel like I’ve been on a rant. This is not like me, but I just, I just needed to share this. Anyway, if you’re watching this on YouTube, let me know if this is resonating, okay? So I wanna give you some practical exercises that I’ve made some dot points here just to help you with this, right? So the first thing I encourage you to do is sit with this question. Where am I outsourcing my inner knowing to AI or to experts instead of listening to myself, okay? That’s the first question, because if you came and worked with us, let’s say you joined our, um, inner self-mastery program that we do with our community, we got a couple of hundred in there, and that we’re here as guides to support you and help you bring that out.

We’re not here to give you the answers. We give you frameworks, we give you methodologies, we give you things that work for us, but we’re not telling you what to do, okay? There’s a difference. So start questioning that in your own life. Where are you outsourcing your knowing? You can place your hand on your heart. I do this every day. I did it this morning waking up when I was, I was exhausted this morning. My nervous system was work from the weekend from the amount of energy moving. I could feel it. My mind wanted to go poor me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I just came back to my heart and I breathed. What does my heart actually know in this moment?

And it knew that I did some great things the weekend, I was of service, I helped others, you’re tired, just be caring, slow down, be loving to yourself, and your mind was slowly quiet and it’s just doing its thing. That’s what my knowing was. Instead of going into the story of how I was feeling and perpetuating that. So you can bring that in anytime. Notice moments today when you feel overwhelmed or numb, buy information and step away. Step away from the screen. Try this, okay? When when you’re about to ask AI or search for something, pause and see what arises in your body, okay? You can spend 10 minutes in stillness today with no phone, no music, no distractions, breathe, inner technology.

We even have AI in our, inner self-mastery membership, coach, coach flow. And we designed that in a way to help us find our own inner wisdom. It’s like myself, petra as a, Matt. It’s like embracing the, the things that are changing, but then if we’re using it, it’s actually to develop our own inner intelligence. It’s not to outsource the answer, if that makes sense. It’s to go, “Ah, this is what we would probably say.” This is then how you develop your own authentic intelligence, all right? Try those things on for size. Even try not looking at technology for a day and notice how you feel, get into nature. But don’t underestimate the possibility of this.

The biggest challenge is, is that when you have not a direct experience and you’re basing it on a belief, not an internal knowing, an embodiment, that’s where it gets slippery. And we always tend to impose our belief systems upon something we’ve not experienced before, as opposed to just being open to it and exploring it, and then getting the direct feedback from the embodied experience, and that develops the wisdom. There’s a vast difference, okay? So if this is resonating with you, uh, I just want to let you know that, yeah, we, um, I got the webinar. So next week, live, you can ask us questions, you come to hang out with us, we’ll talk you through our fundamental pyramid that what we speak of and that fundamental pyramid is really how do we develop that over time to get to that authentic intelligence, okay?

To get to that, that aspect of the soul solution to allow that inner guidance through us. And there’s elements of, of doing where you go to spiritual gyms, like that’s what we run, the events and the workshops and the retreats and things like that. We really work in those muscles, but then of course there’s foundational pieces that you put in place every single day and it’s just, but you, it’s not like, it’s not like, oh, it’s going to take more time. You do it in, it’s in line with all what your actions you’re already doing. You’re actually shifting your perceptions more than you’re shifting things and, and you start making different choices and actions from that. Anyway, um, yeah, link below if you want to come and join us on the 60 minute webinar next week, The Soul Solution, and we’ll break down, like I said, the pyramid, guide you through the practices.

Uh, we’ll be doing some live practices on there as well and how you can start tuning into your own inner technology. Anyway, hope you got something out of this podcast today. It’s nice to do a solo one and just talk and get off my chest. Much love from me. See you soon.  I’m standing here right now in Lake Taupo in a beautiful retreat space, and there’s a vast difference between an intellectual experience and passive listening to a fully embodied lived experience, ’cause that’s what retreats can do. They can help you land, start to truly reconnect to yourself, to others, to nature, and to spirit as well. There’s so much in it. That’s why we created Live in Flow, and that’s why we are so passionate about getting this work out there and bringing people together. If you wanna find out more when our next retreat or event is coming up, just check out the link below.


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