#166 This episode is a different one for sure. Because this time, I’m the one who is being interviewed. My interviewer is a great friend of mine, Matt Omo, who has himself been a guest on the show many times before. As you may know, I am a coach, speaker, wellness advocate and entrepreneur who helps people remember who they truly are.
During our conversation today, we focus mostly on what it is to lead with the heart. They say, “lead with you heart and the rest will follow.” But how do we know what our heart wants? How can we align ourselves with our purpose and live consciously? If you are looking for ways to move towards what you want in life in a more effective way, then this is the episode for you.
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About Guy: Guy Lawrence is a coach, speaker, wellness advocate and entrepreneur. He is the co-founder of Live In Flow. A program designed to help people remember who they truly are and bridge the gap between the life they live and the life they truly want to live. This is facilitated via live workshops, intensive retreats, and an online group coaching program.
He also supports people via his podcast called ‘Let It In with Guy Lawrence’. These include conversations with pioneering experts that go well beyond conventional health, wealth, and wisdom to inspire change in our lives. All episodes are freely available via Youtube, iTunes, Spotify & Stitcher.
Key points with time stamp:
- The Power of The Heart (00:00 )
- Guy’s work in his own words (02:27)
- The reception of Guy’s work (04:47)
- What made Guy take the road less travelled (05:52)
- How can you stay in alignment with what fulfils you? (13:19)
- Making decisions by tapping into something greater (20:52)
- The importance of simplification (30:11)
- If being aware is so easy, then why isn’t everyone doing it? (31:42)
- Guy’s vision for the future of Live In Flow (38:18)
- What leading with the heart actually means (41:35)
- What Guy leaves us with (42:52)
Mentioned in this episode:
- Matt Omo
- Guy Lawrence
- Norman Vincent Peale, American author
- 180 Nutrition
- Gregg Braden
- Deepak Chopra
- Oprah Winfrey
- Tour de France
- Petra Brzovic
So here we are, Mr. Omo. I wasn’t quite sure how to start this one because I have a script, the way I start, every single podcast is always the same. So I might, I might just hand it to you.
Yeah, that’s, that’s fine with me. I am. I was sitting here thinking how to start it myself. And I usually come on here and you’re driving the show. And so to be in the driver’s seat, I’m like, I’m not very well versed at that. I’m like, Where’s this first question? And I kind of had this feeling. It’s like, Oh, yeah, it’s like when your mate has this amazing sports car, and it gives you the keys to drive around the block. Once it’s like, oh, cool. I’ve got the keys to the Guy Lawrence podcast here to drive this around for a little bit. So I’m pretty excited. I’m,
I’m grateful. You compared me to a sports car, the podcast? I’m not sure which one it would be. But
yeah, well, possibly Tesla, or maybe Ferrari or something? Yeah, somewhere in there. combination of the two, perhaps.
welcome to your podcast, Mr. Guy, Lawrence.
Thanks, thanks for having me,
I just I just want to first acknowledge you because it’s been, you know, I’ve had the pleasure of working with you intimately through the retreats and the workshops over the past two years. And I feel like you’re not only taking my work to the next level, but you’ve allowed me to share the work and inspired me to grow within myself even more over these last two years. And so, I think, I’d like to hopefully, share with with the community hear why that is, and who this beautiful man that you are, is a bit deeper than what might have been shown as you interview everyone else, because there is there such a depth of, of heart and care and, and passion within you that that just translates through all the work and just being around you is such a gift. And it inspires me to do even more. So hopefully, we can get people here to be a bit more inspired, knowing more deeply who you are.
So I appreciate it. Thank you. And you know, just on that the old self years ago, we would actually struggle to receive any form of compliments. And, and the newer version of myself that I worked through, always sits here and accepts the compliment, and which I think is a big thing actually in in owning ourselves as well. You know, when we talk about this work,
absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, no, it’s pleasure. So I think I would just like to start out with the with a question that I have been handed a couple times being a guest on your podcast, which is if you if you happen to be, you know, on a plane, well, maybe not so much a plane these days are in a lift with somebody and they ask you what you do. And, you know, what would you tell them that you do for a living?
Yeah, I, you know, I had this conversation only this morning with a random stranger. I was with Ava at the coffee shop. And, and he was asking how old Ava was in that News Quiz me. And normally, when a guy starts asking me a question around, Ava means they’ve got children or they’re expecting and he was expecting. And and he was like, do you go to work? And I was like, Well, yeah, kind of work for myself, and not open that dialogue straightaway. Because he was like, wow, as you get to spend time with your daughter every day, and I went, yeah, it’s pretty cool. Hey, and he lit up. And then he said, Well, how do you get to spend so much time and work? And I said, I run retreats. That was the first thing I said, I found myself saying at the moment, because as you know, it can get quite complicated. From there and then upon. And then he said, Well, what do you do at those retreats? And the two things I find myself coming up with is I help people remember who they truly are, is one thing I say, but also I say, I help people heal and overcome their own traumas and difficulties in life to become more of who they are. And, and instantly when I said that, he got it as well. And I said, that’s pretty much all of us because I’m always worried when I say that we we actually position someone into some kind of peg them into some category, or there’s something broken, you got trauma, you know, well, when I think actually the work we do should be just a practice, just like exercise and just like eating good nutrition, you know, there’s, there’s an element of coming back to ourselves, finding ourselves but then maintaining it, and then that’s when the exploration and the juice of the real stuff can come out. So there’s a bit of a long winded answer. But yeah,
yeah. It makes sense. You find that that’s mostly received by people then when you present it in that way.
Definitely up here.
Yeah. In online Because as you know, when you work with so many people, you tend to get a beat on where they are and and and that’s not being judgmental, but that’s just being how stressed the person is how caught up in their daily lives they are or how aware and you know, with it within a minute or two of getting to know someone or talking to someone or feeling um, you kind of gauge of how far down the rabbit hole we go. Because sometimes I’ll open up with and just go right down the rabbit hole and say, Oh yeah, I had this, this huge awakening seven years ago, and it was just mind blowing that is, you know, greater than life and body experience. And I wanted to piece all together and some people are wow, you know, but then on the other hand, they say, Oh, I just teach people and help people and show them a better way. You know, it could be it really, really depends. But I love going down deep if I can.
Yeah, no, I I’ve witnessed you’re going down deep. And by the conversations we typically have it drops right down the rabbit hole really fast. And which is exciting. But I I just I’d really like to know if you could share with everyone like, why what what has driven you because, you know, it’s not everybody? Obviously, you know, even this guy that you just talked to is like, oh, why even get to work on your own have your own business, and then you’re doing something where you’re helping other people and it’s like, helping them discover who they are. It’s like, what what spark what what was ignited in you to take that journey because it’s it’s not the, the most paved path, you know, to go down that road.
Yeah, it’s interesting. Hey, I do wonder myself sometimes think shit, why should I just got a job?
I know, right?
You know, because I do feel like we’re ahead of the curve to some respects. And and then that that comes with pros and cons to it. But when it when it comes to drive, I think I just for everyone listening to I don’t really know what questions matter can be firing at me today. So I’m just I’m just rolling with it. You know, it’s not pre framed or pre scripted or anything. It’s just a chat, but, you know, I am 46 years old. Now. One of the things I often think about is context and context to having highs and lows and different aspects of your life to like, it’s like how could you do really understand what love is or, or true gratitude is if you haven’t had a loss or a pain or something of the of the equal opposite, to give you that context in in life, to then start to really evaluate and then and then find the balance within as we live life moving forward. And the drive I guess, to me has been innate in me from a young age at some aspect but for the first half of my life, I couldn’t put any words to it. I couldn’t I wasn’t I wasn’t mentored, I wasn’t shown away I wasn’t told that actually, this is your soul This is that this your heart wanted to come through and guide you forward, I just became very good at avoiding things in the first half of my life that didn’t seem right. When all my mates were off getting married, getting a mortgage into a job and I could tell when that satisfied back in Wales, you know, there was all these key conditions and that was pretty much nearly pretty much everyone I surrounded myself in to a degree I had a few that would slip off to uni I never even went to university things like that but within me there was always a strong will even back then to go I’m not accepted now. I’m not accepting I can’t do that. And even though society and pressure was trying to push me and fit me in this way, it just got to the point where that will was strong enough to leave and get out but then it actually created more pain more heartache, more sadness in me because I couldn’t then didn’t know what to Re-fill it with those elements in my life and it took me a long time. So I think having lived that part of myself for such a long time, you know, to my to at least to my mid 30s that drive and be able to look back upon that and once the once I started to actually find myself on path on course, and actually almost get the wheel or the handlebars of this thing is starting to learn how to ride this properly and take it in the direction. I’m forever ever grateful of actually that pain that I had and it was it was a painful time for me. You know, even though I never expressed it, I always held it in. I think not a lot of people would see that about me. I was always just like or somebody that was quiet or The waters run deep kind of thing, but I just couldn’t pull it in. So once I started to get traction in the other direction, especially when I became a fitness trainer, then I started working with people that had cancer and a few people weren’t then turning up after working with them for six or nine months. In August, they passed away, I really started to see the true value of, of my life, and, and how much my own stories beliefs, and had been holding me back. So once I started to then buy into the fact that maybe I could make a difference, and maybe I could do something with my life. I then just run with it. And, and all the tools that we talked about and teach were the things that I was exploring. And they were a massive, massive help to me to allow me to overcome those aspects of myself to really find what I do now. So I these days, I take the pressure off myself to a degree. But I actually really focus and enjoy certain aspects of my life daily. And I’m very wary of when I’m in the past or in the future and chasing something to, to enjoy in these moments as well. Because right now I’m in such a great place in myself, and with Eva and Linda, my wife and daughter and things, I can really see the gift and I’m so glad I became a dad now not 10 years ago. And I know it’s different for every single person. But for me personally, I just wasn’t ready that time. And and I can actually soak it up. So it causes me to pause. But there is always that drive, I wake up every morning and I’m obsessed. Like, you know, it’s it’s there. But like you when we see the impact it has on other people. Because of what I’ve been through one thing I think I’m one of my sort of super skills is like I’m empathetic, you know, I’m an empath, I can feel people, but I can see myself in other people and see their pains and their problems, or troubles and really feel that because I can still relate to myself in that time. And I think while I can help that person, if they’re ready to help themselves, I can genuinely know, help and make a difference in some way, even if it’s small. And there’s no greater reward. Right? I mean, I don’t know about you, but like, you know, I’ve had financial wins here and there have a different element that I thought were going to make me happy and they weren’t actually that fulfilling. But when you come away and and then this expansive state and an open heart and seeing some of these ELLs life change, just by showing them the way showing that that they have the capability within themselves. Nothing comes close to that. So I think that that drives me continues to drive me and I think, well, life would be kind of dull, if we just kind of, you know, sit around, watch TV all day and then do much else.
perhaps, maybe, maybe no one’s watching it.
Yeah. So as you’re talking, they’re like I totally resonate with with a lot of that journey. And like, you know, trying to find that thing to filled me up through my life and watching my friends go down the condition path of the, you know, what kind of what we’re supposed to do and what we’ve strived for. And so, you know, I would imagine that there’s, there’s people that would listen to this, or will listen to this, that are may have not had that ability to navigate away from the things that didn’t fill them up mostly find themselves in places that they don’t feel fulfilled or on purpose in their lives or this type of thing. And so for those types of people, and even the ones like this, I think it’s quite inspiring to, to see how you’ve navigated your life and you’ve created this whole platform, through your podcast, through the retreats through everything that you do to then impact other people in this creating this ripple effect. Is there like a one kind of tip or like key factor that allows you to continue to stay on track with yourself and stay authentic and find that purpose and stay in alignment with what fulfills you that other people can adhere to?
Who…the tip it wasn’t until I got to know myself that I could hold on heartedly throw my heart into something. Right? I remember reading this book by nor is it Norman Peele. It was he like the
Norman Vincent Peale or something, was it? Yes,
Norman Vincent Peale. And he apparently wrote a best selling book. And I’m good if I can remember the name of it.
Yeah, yeah. No, I yeah, I’m with you. It’s like, it’s like a positive thinking thing or something wasn’t
exactly the s…exactly
lacking that 80s or something wasn’t
Yeah. And apparently, he kept doing seminars and into his 90s until he literally took his last breath, because he was so passionate about this work right and helping people. And, and there was he was talking about, there was a story in there, I think, and I’ve read this book like 15 years ago, but I think it was a father and daughter. God haven’t even thought about this for a while. And they would do in the, what’s the one when it when you’re on the parallel parallel bars, and you swing from one to the other in gymnastics. And they grab another bar,
are you talking about, you’re talking about you’re talking about trapeze is talking about uneven bars in gymnastics,
the uneven bars in gymanstics, okay, the bars, I can’t move anywhere. And this, and this girl was daughter where he’s training his daughter and she was a bit fearful and she ended up having to, you know, do two spins and let go and and the moral of the story that was his like, you always have to lead with your heart first. And the rest follows. And it that the moment I read that it stuck with me for a while till now, like 15 years later, I still think about that, from that point, and, but to lead with the heart, first, we really have to get to know ourselves, we have to get to know, the conditioned mind, understand that the thoughts, the thinking, and not necessarily ourselves. And we can witness beyond those, get to know the emotions, get to know the body, get to know the feelings. And as you know, and what we do that does take time, we have to start spending the time to eliminate the distractions. And one of the greatest gifts that came up for me in in those dark times for myself was that I did have a lot of time. And so I used to have the art of contemplation actually happening on a daily basis, sort of forced upon me, because I didn’t have much money, I was trying to figure out where to go. So I’ll just go for like long walks along the beach, because I was living in South Koji. And I was giving myself space. And I was reading books, I was starting to listen to certain CDs with a CD box with the goal back then before double Come on. Yeah. And, and I just started listening to that. And let that’s why I got so passionate about podcast because then when podcasts were around, those listening to podcasts, and podcasts are having such an influence on me, and being that so if there was one tip I would actually give someone is to just give yourself fucking space. Just actually take some time out. And listen, listen to what wants to present itself. Don’t fill it with your phone, don’t fill it with music, don’t fill it with books, necessarily, but just have that time have that contemplation. And I’m actually getting that more back because of Ava because I take so many walks I choose sometimes I listen to an audible or a podcast I’m about to interview. And then sometimes I just walk and I just stare. And and I allow my actual my vision to open up onto a go nice and wide, which has been proven to get you into an alpha brainwave state as well. And I just, I just start to see what ideas start to flow. And things come in. And that’s when you have those moments in the shower. Right?
I was just thinking that as you were talking, I’m like, yeah, it’s that space where you’re in the shower, they have the insights or you know, you’re not thinking about the thing, and then it comes, the answer hits you, it’s like,
but you’re gonna have the courage to then act upon those insights. They’re all well and good. And that’s what I started doing because I had nothing to lose back when I started because I had because I grew a company in 180 nutrition and when me and my business partner that was when that intuitive insight, things started to happen in my life. And because I had nothing to lose, and I was coming from a place of pain, I kind of just didn’t even think about failing. I like it didn’t even occur to me. I mean, obviously I wasn’t in a relationship. I didn’t have children, my responsibility factor was lower, but I was still in my 30s thing. See I had other friends that were pulling up their Mercedes Benz at the surf club because they were very established in life and I was still comparing myself to my neighbors. Well, who were dear friends but they had the swimming pool, a BB When the ocean views while I was like, living in almost like a squat with three other lads. Yeah, you know what I mean you, we all get caught up in that. But I think I’ve been able to keep myself out of the system if you like because I’d never got really pulled into it in the first place. I then learned it was a gift. And and yes, I didn’t have much, but I certainly hadn’t stocked up a lot of things that were not meaningless to me anyway, I’m not saying that’s how we all live, but there’s certainly we certainly tend to do that, right? Fill it with things and objects and people and stuff to keep us avoiding from the very things that we probably need to address to move through to allow us to really live from the heart. So that’s kind of a left right answer,
I thought there was a quite a, quite a through line there, it’s like, anywhere from given the space to listen to the heart to know yourself, so that you can then allow for this inspiration to come forward and then move towards it. And it’s like, there’s so many so many nuggets in that, that you’re just just spoke to. And I think what fascinates me about you is that, you know, I my journey, I would I would, I kind of as things would come up, I’m like, Oh, I need to go and get this degree here, or go do this diploma here or, you know, learn this technique, or this or that. And, and that’s, you blow me away. Because in the workshops, I’m doing my sound sessions and the retreats and whatnot. And it’s like these, you know, it’s something that I developed over 10 years, and I bring in like 15 different modalities. And it’s like, I’ve trained with different teachers, and so forth. And then you step in, and you support me in it. And you’re tuned in, and it’s like, You’re just an extension of me, and you get it. And I’m like, what does that this dude just circumnavigated the last 15 years of my training, and he’s doing it better than me now. And I’m like, so what fascinates me about you is, it’s almost like this getting to the heart, you’ve tapped into this intuition within yourself. Was that resonate with you? Is that kind of what you feel like when you talk about coming from the heart? Because you’ve mentioned that a few times, like, come from the heart and being the heart? And I think, for a lot of people, that’s kind of a foreign construct, because it’s either the hearts a mechanical pump, or, you know, what do you mean? How do you come from your heart, when it’s my mind that actually has to make the choices? Take the actions, you know? So is that intuition? Is that inspiration? Like? Can you like, expand on how you do that? Because you’re from witnessing you you’re tuned in to something greater than what your mind is actually tapping into. And that, to me is a potential that I think we all have. And I’d love to hear more insight on how you’ve developed that and open into that.
Wow. The third, thank you for that, first of all, and that means a lot coming from you. There’s there’s a knowing that is beyond words, that comes in, that’s the best way I could frame it. Sometimes you just know. Yeah, just know. And it’s that knowing for me is where it that knowing comes from the heart, like it. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a brain. It’s a brain that has no language. It’s a brain that has no logical ego, meaning it’s a brain, that’s probably if we were to dissect it from the actual brain, it’s like all all that right, so creative, intuitive self. And that knowing can be developed and evolved. Because all we are doing is starting to listen to what’s already there. We just improve in the practice of that listening to and that still comes all the way back to creating that contemplation that space in your daily life, to have that muscle developed from that place within the heart. You know, I mean, you can look at the heart math, you can look at Gregg Braden, you know, they talk about that they talk about the sensory neurons of the heart is 40,000. Like brain like cells, there’s a connection. And the heart actually sends 80% of the signal to the brain with a brain only send 26% of the heart. So if we deepen that connection, had the heart heart the head, then actually, we can be running from the signal from the heart sending it and eventually reaching the brain but you already know. So there’s information beyond space and time. We’re connecting into, it’s just like, how do we connect to that. And interestingly, the way I look at this now, if the hardest part of the nervous system, and the nervous system regulates the body, the homeostasis, it keeps us alive, whether we’re in a stress response, whether we’re in a restful repair response, you know, all these things govern to how good that signal is to that intuitive self to the knowing self. And I start to know when you’re in or out, but it’s, it’s interesting even before coming on to the show. Now, you know, when we sit, when we have a moment, you can really connect and tune into that. And then there’s a knowing that comes from that, that whatever is spoken today is going to be exactly the way it’s meant to be, and it’s going to come out, and it’s gonna have a ripple effect, and move on. And I think to connect that we got to remove the ego, we got to remove expectation. So often, we want things to go a certain way. And the from the wanting it to go a certain way is coming normally from something that probably hasn’t been resolved or healed within us. So we keep an expectation that, that that continually perpetuates a way of being that we’re not even consciously aware of in the first place. So I think as we start to, if you like, shine the light upon the areas in our life that we may not have looked at even we’re aware that we’re there wanted to look at, once we start to reveal them and release them, feel them, you know, let them go. I think that connection continues to deepen. And there have been moments along the way in my journey of this work, that have accelerated that tremendously, as well. And that’s from doing different things like you know, when I think of, I can think of the key I know, like, I know this, intuitively, I can tell you what the key moments were. Right? Yeah. And I’ve never said this before, but let’s break it down. Right. Yeah. So as that knowing was getting stronger, it drove me to look at meditation. So I started doing meditation. I remember doing Deepak Chopra and Oprah Winfrey 21 Day Challenge nicer, like 11 years ago.
go right to the top of the chain there, right? Yeah, exactly. Right. Like how can you get?
Exactly? I may put me onto it. And I started doing that, and it got me frustrated, but that was what you know, developing. Then I got curious, and I ended up doing a plant based shamanic journey. Right? Yeah. Which, again, really revealed a lot of the docs. But again, it’s just a tool, it’s certainly you either get called to do it, or you don’t, at the time, I was called to do it. And I did that. So from there, then I did your six week work. And remember, in the fifth week, I will never forget it, removing the grief from my dad that held in me that I hadn’t mourned. Which would have been to 18 months prior, even a year prior when my dad passed. Yeah, right. So all of a sudden, in these moments, I’m now removed, I’m shining the light, I’m starting to look at what it is and being able to surrender into to let to let the body heal itself that I hadn’t, because I was always in the the more thinking minds, external, trying to resolve things and run away and never look into the inner work. And allow the body to heal. So that that started to happen, then I started to take my meditations further. And then I started to meditate through the energy centers. So I would sit there every day religiously. Five, six days a week, I’d dedicate an hour every single morning without fail for months and months and months, and I will start working on my emotional centers. Things started really moving and I just doing more work with you. You know, I’d come in for one to one on one sessions. Is that all right, then, then I learned how to move energy with the breath. So then I was able to move a huge amount of energy in a short space of time. You know, using different practices using the spine, which you know, we speak about at the retreat as well than that, but create an amplitude or energy that was charged that could then clear the center’s even more, which was a pivotal moment. So then I realize I started to look at adaptation and being able to adapt the nervous system, which I believe allows consciousness to allow us to have this experience run through us. So if I can allow more consciousness if you’d like more awareness, become more aware, more conscious within me and if that’s an adaptation of the body, healing the past evolve in the nervous system, then surely I can become more consciously aware a more intuitive from the back end of doing the work, which again starts to remove more ego, which starts to remove more expectation. Yeah,
I was just gonna say because you become more intuitive because you have a greater awareness of the consciousness is wanting to come through. Is that what you say? Yes, we’ve opened. Yeah, adaptation has opened up more flow of
Yes. That’s how my simple Welsh interpretation looks. I’m sure if you’ve picked up some traditional textbooks, or went to India, they’d say in a different way. Of course, what I just said. But I think that’s been my gift because I look at that and go, Okay, well, that means that let’s let’s not overcomplicate it, I used to see that in the fitness industry all the time, people would overcomplicate the shit, the way they train, the way they ate, the way they exercise. And they’d end up with still the same result to the person that just actually did the work.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that’s, that’s, I think, another gift of yours is that you come from the Welsh rugby kind of background, and you’re very, you know, in your masculine, and it’s like, you know, you’re not wearing a turban or adhering to any traditional religion, which gives you access to pretty much anyone, and, and makes it feel okay, like, it’s normal. I think you normalize it a bit. So, like, That’s an incredible, like, unpacking of like this clear in this opening to this adaptation, then to allow the space for the development of yourself for more consciousness to move through you. It’s like, it just it sounds so simple. Hey,
like it is.
So it’s so simple. Why aren’t more people doing it?
Why are you not aware? Yeah, we’re just unconscious, we’re unconsciously aware, we’re just going about like, society, the Western society in way is not set up to support this. Like, look, look at the mass expectation on a family these days, if we buy into what we considered to be normal, you know, yeah. And that they were the element that I always continue to look at. And I just could not let myself go down that route. You know, I didn’t want to be that person. I don’t know why I lived in Koji or whatever. But with with a beautiful house. And don’t get me wrong, I would love to live in a beautiful house. And I still have aspirations to live in a beautiful house. But I want to do it on my terms. I don’t want to be in debt up to my eyeballs in a job that makes my heart sink. And I’m constantly having to put 60 7080 hours in a week. And then I’m eating foods that don’t nourish my body. I’m caffeinated myself up the eyeballs to get me through to the weekend. I can’t wait till Saturday morning comes or whatever. But then, you know, I’m probably pigeon holing a little bit here. But that just did not. I just didn’t want to go in that direction. And I refuse even though there was a lot of temptation along the way, and a lot of pressure in some so just from society, yourself, but all the way I was interpreting it. Yeah, I just couldn’t do it. Yeah. But where were we? Where were we going on?
Just just kind of going down that path of, you know, why aren’t more people doing this type of work in an opening? I mean, it’s, it sounds to me, from what your your experience has been in. And I know from my own experience, so it’s, it’s when we start to lean into that heart that then things start to open. When we live, I mean, ultimately, all of us are wanting to have more purpose, more passion, more connection, more love in our lives, like these types of things. Right. And so, but it’s, it’s, it’s just always been such a confusing thing to me as to why more people don’t open into this and explore that heart that’s wanting to come forward. Yeah. And, you know, you’re just talking about the, the pace that we live, and the conditioned responses that we live in. So
we don’t get taught it like I and again, in my own life, I was that guy. You know, until I was about 30. I wasn’t even aware of Tony Robbins or somebody like that, you know what I mean? Like, I just wasn’t aware that there was a different way of doing things. Rand and I realized how disconnected I was from the very things that we talk about, you know, what hence why we call a retreat, reconnected right. Yeah, this disconnected from myself, I did not know myself, which then drove pain. And I felt disconnected from my family because I wasn’t connected to myself, you know? How can we truly love somebody else if we don’t truly love ourselves? You know, I was nature I was around a bit, I think that was one of my, one of my good fortunes is that I did put myself around nature, but quite often now if you live in, in the city, or you know, we’re not in nature enough. And, and I had no idea there was a universal field of energy that connects everything and everyone, beyond our 3d five senses paradigm, which is what I, you know, we explore on the podcast as well. And there’s a relationship with that, too. And by nurturing those things, it, it really allows you to declutter the very things that are keeping you preoccupied or busy. And you actually start to what as you come back to the heart, you’ve you come back to actually the essence, I believe, of what really matters in life. And once we get back to that essence, I think it becomes much easier to make decisions, once we learn to detach from the things that are that have kept us away from that for so long. And, you know, I it’s interesting. I had an analogy, there’s a talk the Steve the owner, guy mere retreat, and he’s like, I, you know, he’s like, you know, the Tour de France, and they’re on the they’re on this uboot. I don’t know how much they spend on a pushbike. Yeah, but they’re so light, what the weight is one thing, why they’re so expensive is because they want the bikes as light as possible. And you’re on this push bike. And you’ve got these wheels that are made of some kind of material that’s lightweight. But if they need to be perfectly aligned, and that’s how I now see my head and my heart, like aligned, but the moment of alignment strays in life, you get the wobble, on the on the wheel of the bike. And, and if and if it’s if the alignments out too much, what happens to the wheel, that those those, those whales on those pushbikes were claps like a matchbox, like, boom, they’re only gone. So that’s what I think about now. And we are so misaligned. And that’s where all those wheels that collapse in in a big way for a lot of people. And if we do start to just, you know, treat this work with the respect that it does, we can work through whatever we need to work through to bring that alignment back in. And I think that’s where the that’s where more purpose will come. That’s where more joy will come from a more inner peace will come after more self love will come more self respect, you know, more self empowered. And once we’re aligned, but it is not out there. It’s like you.
Yeah, no. Well, I mean, that’s, I suppose one of the things that this podcast, the work that you do is is offering to the world is that opportunity to align the head and the heart to know lives and to move in a more effective way towards what it is whatever it is they want. Absolutely. So if you obviously have this strong desire to help people to realize who they are and become more of themselves and an open into more of a depth in life. You created a whole, you know, business around it. If you let’s say could go, you know, 20, 30 years into the future. Like what would what was what’s your vision? What do you hope to accomplish with all this that you’re putting so much energy and passion into? What What would you want it to come out of it? What the legacy be of this type of work?
Wow. You know, I don’t think that far ahead. I will. You know, honestly, for me, I’m not sure how it would look. Yeah. And how the legacy looks. The Legacy doesn’t drive me honestly. Yeah. It it’s not about what I can leave behind it is to Tunis. Now I have a fever and I certainly want to leave the world a better place than before I arrived if I can make that difference, you know, but I just I just want to Be able to look back, even on the last day of my last breath, because it’s going to happen to us all whether we like it or not at some stage, I have a smile on my face. No, no. Fuck yeah, I give it my best. And, and I live from the heart. And I and I gave from that place as well. And I created enough love joy, happiness within my family, I, I use the world as a playground, I had an adventure. And, and I helped light up the light that was lit in me by other people following their passions. Knowing that I’ve done that for other people as well. And I think, right there is where, for me, that’s all the matters. And if that’s just one soul, or million, or whatever that looks like, It’s alright, for me, as long as I knew I did my best, and just can put my hand on my heart. And go Yeah, that would be my, I guess, legacy, my offering, you know. But you know, I do have visions closer, right now, like, you know, I want to, I want to impact 1000s of people’s lives on a regular basis. You know, when you look at a lot of the people out there, they do it on scales of hundreds of 1000s of people. And
the but I think what you just said there before the 1000s of people, I think that that genuine desire is what then is coming from the heart like translates, it’s like I’ve sat in the meditations that you’ve still taken and blown away. And it’s not a thinking it’s not a doing it’s not a technique so much as it is, what you just articulated there is to be able to do your best and to that desire to really share fully your light your gift with the world or with whoever is there in that moment. And to pass that on. And I think that, that that’s something that changes the world. And then letting go of that egoic side of everything and all the goals and the this that’s that’s speaking from the heart to me. So yeah, I think that’s beautiful. And really appreciate you dropping into that and taking on more challenging questions. I just got I just was looking at a time we’re kind of whittling away this hour. This I’ll hand it over to you because I’ve kind of nudged in prior to do in different position. Ways today. And is there anything else that you feel we haven’t covered that you would like to leave the listeners with? Just to wrap things up?
I what was coming to heart right now mind heart, however you want to frame it? Yeah, is that the one thing that i and this is where I do get frustrated? Sometimes not because things aren’t moving quick enough or we’re not at that next retreat or in order to you know, and, and stuff and then I’ll bring myself back north will calm down guy you got everything here is all perfectly meant to be. But I really feel and I’ve had enough now experiences through this work to question reality. Right? what is reality? And, you know, we’ve had enough scientists on your question, are we a bunch of photons of light compressed into a me too? And how and, and our brains are transmitted and consciousness is coming in? Where are we meet to? That just then happens to have the light on and off and we’re alive and dead. And the brain is generating his thoughts, feelings, and consciousness is an internal job. Right now, I’ve had enough experiences personally on this journey to be 1,000% convinced that it’s the first one with the photons of light stuffed into me to having this humanly experience. Yeah. And because I’ve had, and I believe I get to the point now, I really believe I’ve had these experiences, too. I think that is another part of the driver, I think has taken the whole podcast maybe to say that and and allow it to come out as well. And what that gift has given me is it’s given me the gift of insight and insight into who we really are and I think if we really understood who we really are, and really knew it in every single cell of our body, we would live with a lot less fear, we would live with a lot less of these. We wouldn’t allow other people to govern, and shape us to who they think they are, when people say, when the person tells you, you can’t do this, or you can’t do that, or you haven’t got that in you, they just imposing their beliefs upon you. They know your beliefs. And, for me, this work allows us to nurture something within us. So no matter what is going on in our external world, we have the capacity to choose. And we have the, we have the capacity of a choice to choose us. And if we can nurture that relationship between our head and heart, we can start to make choices that come from the heart and fully 100% Trust in those choices and move forward from that place. And a lot of that will then the fears that we live with that debilitate us and stop us from moving forward consciously or unconsciously. All the things that have happened to in our lives that have led us to this moment, start to break away. And we then come from that authentic place. With each step forward each day. Now, our circumstances don’t change. But we change. And as we change, our circumstances begin to change over time, that takes time. And then you’re able to pan out slightly and have a bit of an overview perspective, like I always play the long game, I never really get caught up in too much of the glitz, the glamour, the you know, the sparkly things in the now. You know, and it serves me well long term. And so in all that, I would want to say to people, just think about that for a moment, ponder on that for a moment and don’t undervalue. You don’t undervalue the gift of life, don’t take it for granted. Don’t take the time that you have for granted. And make each day count to a degree doesn’t mean you got to go up and do radical things, and start skydiving and hot air balloon in and, you know, or whatever it is, like a bucket list or anything. But give yourself the gift of being present. speak to the people that you see in this, you know, in the coffee shop and, and be be aware, be aware of your actions and do things and and live from that place. And if if you’re willing to do that, and take the road less traveled, then life will open up for you in so many amazing, beautiful ways. And I’m just grateful that I had the opportunity to discover it, explore it, and then now start to pass it on to other people. So maybe that’s where I would leave with. Yeah, I think beautiful. Yeah.
No, I think that’s great. sums it up. I feel like I feel like coming up coming up to the curve here with this Ferrari that I’ve been driving around the block. I think I grinded a few gears there with you. Right. But it’s been it’s been an honor to, to hold this space and to actually explore the the man behind the podcast and, and really go a bit deeper. And hopefully some of the listeners can resonate with a bit more of who you are. And then what’s driving this whole thing because, yeah, it’s my experience, you come from such a depth of heart and generosity and in care that our heads This is an honor to be working with you. So thanks for all this and all that you are
appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, and thanks for holding space today. I I was it was fantastic. And, um, for anyone listening to this as well, you know, if you’ve stumbled across this podcast last week, I had Petra on the show the week before it was you, man. Yeah, you know, and, you know, the trio that we are that we’ve been doing the work and I encourage everyone to explore the journeys or get a sense I think then of hopefully what we do and why we do it. So yeah, and thank you for for everything, man. It’s It’s a gift. Really is
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