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Gary:
I looked up and I noticed the palms of the hands of guardian angels. They’re looking at me and they asked me in one short phrase, do you trust us? I said, yes, and within two seconds I was in the street and I got hit by a speeding car.

Guy:
Guy here, uh, you might be able to hear my voice, my throat’s a little bit, so I do apologize in advance. And we had a very big event on the weekend where we actually launched our advance four hour workshop. It is something we’ve been wanting to do for a while. ’cause if you follow the podcast and you actually listen to the intros that I put in, um.

We run five day retreats and, and they are absolutely phenomenal. But we also go up and down the country here in Australia and, and New Zealand now as well, where we do four hour events where we introduce the work and people can come, but it’s more experiential ’cause we feel that’s the way people is the best to learn and that’s where the rubber meets the road.

But with the retreats we can go so much further ’cause we’re held in the container, we’re eating amazing food. The connections that are being built are phenomenal, but we. Been on our minds for such a long time, how can we start to bring some of the more advanced techniques into the one day? So we, we did the maiden voyage of our advanced, uh, four, our workshop, uh, which was awakening the Chakras, building upon the fundamentals that we do in our reconnected workshop.

And it was phenomenal. It, it was. Just mind blowing. And if you do happen to be one, we had about 130 people come through for the day. And if you do happen to be one of them listening to this now, I just send you much love. Um, I’m still buzzing from the weekend. It was incredible what we witness in. Um, yeah.

So if any of that interests you, there will be links below. Uh, come and join us somewhere. Um, it’s just incredible. I just wish everybody could experience this at least once in their life. So, uh, and, and then build that muscle. Anyway, uh, I’ve gone right off on a tangent if you still listen to me. I, I appreciate it.

I, I try and keep his interests short normally. Um, but Gary’s an awesome dude. Um, he’s got a phenomenal story. Uh, I really like. The guy connected with him and, um, his near death experience is pretty wild actually. And, um, we get into it all today. Uh, he also talks about the predictions that came from that back in 1977 and how they still come in through to this day as well.

It’s a wild ride, wild story. Uh, if you listen on YouTube, please be sure to let me know in the comments below. Let me know where in the world you are as well. Keep connecting. Um, much love from me and yeah, hopefully I’ll meet you somewhere. In person somewhere along the line and just come up and give me a hug.

Uh, I always appreciate it anyway, see you soon.

Guy:
Gary, welcome to the podcast, my man.

Gary: My pleasure. Good to be with you, brother from Austin, Texas.

Guy:
Hey, fantastic. It is, it is actually one place I’ve always wanted to go. Uh, I, I work with an American and he’s from Indiana, but, um, yeah, I’ve heard good things. The first question I wanna ask you, ask you, Gary, is. Uh, you were at an intimate dinner party right now and you sat next to a complete stranger they asked you what you did for a living or do for a living, how would you respond?

Gary:
Well, I’ve been a musician most of my life and a psychic. I don’t play music anymore. I’m a little older, hard to tote the equipment around. I did it for 45 years. I actually have been doing psychic reading since about 1972 or three, and in the last 10, 15 years, that’s pretty well been my. Main focus, my income, my interest, and um, especially in these incredibly changing times, uh, I’m very lucky.

I’ve had some incredibly psychic experiences and, uh, so I like to share that information and help people and I’m grateful that I can, ’cause I’ve been through my share of curve balls and challenges.

Guy:
Yeah to hearing them today, so, so let me get this right. You, you were a working musician and a psychic at the same time, and they were going hand in hand. Is that right?

Gary:
Not necessarily hand in hand. A lot of musicians didn’t know I was a psychic. A lot of psychics didn’t know I was a musician. Uh, but, uh, I traveled all over. I lived in Europe actually in the nineties, from 93 to 2000. I. Traveling, playing music and uh, like I said, I started giving the readings early seventies.

That’s always been a part of my life, but I gave up traveling and performing about 15 years ago. Um, I got tired of hearing myself. I’m not a great singer. I became a good entertainer, but I’m not a good singer. I milked that cow for all It was worth, so to speak, you know.

Guy:
fair enough. What? What came first? The psychic abilities, I’m assuming, or the music or.

Gary:
Well, I started playing music when I was like 15 before the Beatles came out. Um, started learning, uh, lead guitar from Freddie King, Albert King, um, BB King, uh, a lot of guitar players. And, uh, this was in the late sixties when the Beatles first came out. I remember seeing them on, uh, ed Sullivan. Watching, uh, George Harrison play, lead, and I thought, wow, I’m playing the right notes.

Exactly the same position he is. So by the time the Beatles came out and the Stones, I’d learned just about every song I could get, most of the records I could, uh, and kept up with it pretty well. Played all through high school, played all through college. Wasn’t planning on necessarily being a professional musician or a psychic for that matter, but I graduated in 1970.

From Texas Tech here, electrical engineering, and it was all defense work. And I was a war protestor. It was Vietnam. And so I served two years as a conscientious objector and then got out of that and it was still all defense work. And I went, well, I don’t wanna join the defense industry. So I decided to play music about the same time. I was learning a lot about giving readings,

Guy:
And when did the,

Gary:
so.

Guy:
sorry to jump in there. When did the, um, near death experience happen then? Was that something that came later on? Were you already exploring the, the psychic abilities you speak of?

Gary:
Yeah, I was, excuse me, I was already very interested in psychic ability, got interested in that in the late sixties. Uh, actually I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy. I was, you know, always fascinated by Christ and God and Jesus. Um, not necessarily the Catholic church. You know, I left, I left the church about the time puberty hit, but I never lost interest in psychic ability or God, and started reading a lot of Edgar Casey in college that really stimulated my curiosity.

First time I read anything or actually made sense about why we’re here, what happens, you know, life, reincarnation. And to this day, I read Edgar Casey. He’s my, one of my main say, um, areas of interest, input, confirmation, and so forth. In 1977 is when I had the near death experience. I had no idea what was happening, but over a period of a couple days, life went from normal life to, I started picking up everything that was about to happen.

Who was calling on the phone? A stranger would walk by, could pick up all their thoughts. Um, two roommates I was living with, two roommates. Roommates at the time. One of ’em was very concerned about me because I started getting rather strange. My whole interest in things shifted from what I would normally be interested in to picking up things about people, about situations.

Guy:
So this was before you had the near death experience, like a couple of days before all this started to come.

Gary:
About a week before, about a week before, uh, this is actually the 1977, end of January, I quit a band. I needed some time off. I was traveling a lot, and I remember January, 1977, the last day, January 31st, or about that time. I started picking up things about my roommates, about people started when the phone would ring.

I could tell who was gonna call, and within 24 hours, life turned into a completely different world. I had no idea why or where I was headed or what was going on, but I couldn’t turn it off, and it kept accelerating. And by the second and third day. I was picking up things that just blew my mind. I couldn’t tell if I was witnessing things or creating ’em.

I’d look at a stranger two blocks away and I would think, scratch your head and point up to that building. And they would do it. And I would think, did I know that was gonna happen and pick it up, or did I make that happen? Or maybe a combination of both. I could not tell the difference. Between witness and creator. That’s when I started realizing things are changing fast

Guy:
had you done anything to instigate this up until that point? Or was this something that was just coming on naturally or do you think it was your interest in Edgar Casey and reading these books at that time, like what was causing this to happen?

Gary:
Well, I found out later what was causing. At the time, I had no idea. It was just pure. Pure input, pure sensation, and like I said, living on a different world. All of a sudden, I was rather both terrified and intrigued. I got really, really paranoid and scared because I didn’t know what was happening or why I couldn’t turn it off.

But the same time I started feeling extremely gifted. Lucky, fortunate, intuitive, a different side of reality came through. I. And I didn’t know why. I’ll give you an example. The, I wrote a book, the Second Eternity, that describes this episode in my life. For example, uh, my roommate and I went to a restaurant one time and he’s very concerned about me, and he said, how, how are things going for you now?

I said, well, I can’t really explain. I’ll show you. I looked at two ladies at a table far over the far corner of the restaurant. And I told him, I’ll have the brunette write me a letter. And he said, what? I said, I’m gonna have her write me a letter. Because there was no neutral, I was either picking things up or in my mind, interjecting things into the universe, which I never even thought about before.

This started happening. And 10 minutes later, when the ladies left, the one, the brunette, who I kept thinking, write me a letter. Write me a letter. That seemed nice and harmless. ’cause again, there was no neutral. And as she walked by our table, she dropped a napkin on and big bold letters. She had written, why are you doing this to me?

That freaked me out. I wanted to charge outta the restaurant and ask her what she experienced. Uh, but I was too petrified, too startled. ’cause I started affecting other people, not harmfully, but, um, there was no neutral. Like I said, I was picking things up. I had walked down the street and I could feel people’s thoughts, and I never even thought about this, but it just came on like a freight train. Uh, by the second and third day I was in a different world.

Guy:
So what do you think was happening then, like from, you know, you’re living your life now and looking back at that time, how would you explain that was happening and that phenomena was coming on?

Gary:
Well, I, I couldn’t at the time, but I went through a week of this. And at the end of this week, I was pretty terrified. Uh, moral of the story or the, the, the gist of the story. The, the big change. After a week of this, I was racing down Gule Street here in Austin, Texas. I was crying, I was scared. I was praying I couldn’t turn it off.

I didn’t know what was happening. But through this period, I kept feeling some sort of spiritual guides. I. Watching me like I wasn’t alone. ’cause I felt pretty alone and I kept feeling them and they seemed to name themselves the monitors, or I seemed to think of them in terms of the monitors. Didn’t see ’em, but I could feel ’em.

And after a week of this, I was terrified. I was charging down Gulie Street, just had to get out. It was cold, it was windy. I was terrified and I started crying and screaming and people on the street were just, you know, looking at me like, what the hell’s going on with him? Well, I didn’t know either, and big wide circle around me.

The fear got so intense and then suddenly, instantly it disappeared. I felt warm. I looked up and I saw this huge white. It’s right above my head about six feet, and I looked around all these people in the street who were watching me, and none of them saw it and I didn’t care. I looked back up at this light again and it was coming down from a crystal table.

It was about that thick, and I looked up and I noticed the palms of the hands of these seven white robed, grayish robed guardian angels. And I realized these are the monitors. They’re looking at me and they asked me in one short phrase, do you trust us? And I said, man, I don’t understand what’s going on.

I’ve been going through this. Do you trust us? I said, yes. And within two seconds, you’ll have to read about it in the book. Hard to describe. I was in the street and I got hit by a speeding car.

Guy:
shit.

Gary:
And as soon as I hit the car, I was outside my body, seeing my body getting tumbled over by the car, burn the windshield, and then the whole city of Austin turned into a little dot, and I started expanding outward in all directions like the surface of a balloon.

And very quickly I had no awareness of myself anymore, just sensation. And as I expanded and expanded and expanded, I went to the edge of the universe. I saw this realm of consciousness that I called the colors, or it seemed to name itself the colors. There was a level of consciousness that when we come in at birth, we passed through this, and that level of consciousness gives us the ability to use our senses and our brain and so forth.

To understand who we are, where we came from. Again, I had no awareness of myself at this point, but the sensation was beautiful. The fear had completely gone, just like turning a light on and off instantaneously, and I had never felt such a beautiful sensation, and I came out of this universe and it seemed like one star in a very starry sky.

There was infinite universes. That’s the one I came out of. And all these universes seemed to roll up into a big tunnel of light, and I went through this tunnel of light, came out the other side, and I was in this infinite blue void that was the mind of God. It was infinite. It was all possibilities. There was nothing more powerful.

It either existed, which it does, and everything exists and everything is possible. Or it wouldn’t have existed and nothing would exist. Well, guess which one happened? It existed and I noticed after feeling like I was kind of taking a tour around this infinite mind, that its very core was infinite love.

And that’s what a lot of people who’ve had near death experiences describe as the feeling of infinite love, and it was beautiful. I. And then it seemed like I was observing it rather than being at one with it. And that was pulled back through this tunnel of life, back toward this universe, toward this solar system, toward this galaxy.

And as I collapsed inward, which is how souls come in at birth, they go out. When they die, you go out in all directions. When you come in at birth, you collapse inward and take an impression of the whole universe. And certainly of this galaxy and this solar system, and I didn’t know quite where I was headed.

I knew where I just was. It was beautiful. I was a little bit apprehensive, but I saw my body, well first I saw these pictures as I got closer to earth. Three distinct categories, I suppose what flashing cards. The first is what we’re going through now with the whole world tension, polarization, changes in, in earth, in people.

Um, and as we know right now, every country is having some sort of revolution. Everything was maximum now, and it was kind of scary. The next series of pictures were about the world to come the age of Aquarius, where things were really beautiful. And that was calming. I still didn’t know who I was or where I was headed, but the next series of pictures were about me.

I didn’t know it. Showing me things into the future. Um, I saw nine 11. I saw Covid. I saw these earth changes. I saw the polarization in our society. But when I finally realized, wow, I’m seeing pictures about me, I. I saw my body laying in the middle of the street and people screaming and hollering, and I jumped into my body and jumped to my feet ’cause I wasn’t even hurt.

I didn’t get a scratch. The whole car’s banged in the wind shield’s broken. People are screaming and hollering. The driver, actually, the first thing I remember was this red hair all over my face. This driver was shaking me screaming. Man, I tried to stop. I couldn’t stop, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I just, I’d just been to heaven.

So I was not bothered at all. But what I was bothered by is his hair in my face and him trying to calm me down. I jumped to my feet, start asking all these people around me who were watching me if they had seen this, these. Group of monitors above me. And of course I looked crazy and, go ahead.

Guy:
wasn’t banged up at all after that.

Gary:
No, not at all. In fact, in the book, I printed the police reports. Yeah. I wasn’t hurt at all. Excuse me. And I wasn’t amazed. It just seemed. From where I’d just been, it is just, this is just a little miracle, you know, not getting hurt, not no pain at all. Um, and the people around me were panic. I didn’t know what to do and I thought, well, I’m just going to go home.

This is too heavy. So as I started to walk home, they said, no, no, no. Stay, man. The ambulance, the police are coming. And I thought, yeah, I’ll just hang around for a minute and explain to ’em what I’d been through. All right. When the cops came, the ambulance came, the police came. They’re looking around for a body in the middle of the street that’s covered in blood, and I wasn’t covered in blood, wasn’t even hurt.

I was standing up talking to people, and so I said, I’m the person you’re looking for. And all the pedestrians in the street, the people who had been watching me were pointing to me and said, yep, it’s him. And they rushed up to me and asked me, how are you standing? You know? Just like you on my feet. Uh, I tried to explain to him why I wasn’t hurt, what I’d been through.

That made no sense whatsoever, and I could understand, I wouldn’t have believed me, but, um, Pretty quickly, I realized that nobody’s gonna believe this, and I wouldn’t have believed it either. And that’s okay. That’s fine. But they wouldn’t let me go home.

They insisted to take me to the hospital at the emergency room. They did, and they X-rayed me and checked me out. I wasn’t hurt. They couldn’t keep me there. So they rolled me over in a corner of the emergency room. And uh, 10, 15 minutes later, this man came walking in who I’d had a premonition about.

Actually, I had premonitions about this whole incident, you know, and the man was a psychiatrist and I knew all about him and his family and so forth, and that blew his mind. Um, and I asked him if I could just go home and they said, no, we’re gonna have to examine you in a psychiatric hospital. So they took me to jail until they could get an order of protective custody to take me to a psychiatric hospital.

Guy:
Do you know how fast that vehicle was going when it hit you,

Gary:
It was going, it seemed like it was going faster than the other cars. ’cause it was ahead of the other cars and, uh, 35, 40, probably 45. It was going pretty fast. Yeah. Uh, and of course the driver, that’s why he was really freaked out. Uh, I wasn’t, I’d just been to heaven. I was mind blown.

So a couple of questions for you then. Why do you, you talk about the premonitions of nine 11 and COVID and things like that that come in. Why do you think you were being shown them in that experience? Like. that moment in time, have you ever reflected on that? Well, I was very curious about why I had this experience and why I saw this. Absolutely. I. For months, I kept asking my guides, the monitors, spirituality, why me? I mean, this is a beautiful voyage, beautiful trip. Pretty bizarre. But why did I get this? I mean, when you go to Infinite Mind is nothing more powerful, nothing more beautiful, nothing more stimulating.

And it was about eight months later, my guides appeared. I didn’t see ’em this time that they were in my front yard. I was playing my guitar on the porch and once again asking why May, and all of a sudden I could feel ’em there. I couldn’t see ’em this time. I only saw him once, but I could feel ’em there, and they shot this light in my head.

That they started talking. At the same time, these words, they were talking, were looking like screen credits going off in the distance. And time stopped. Traffic stopped. The wind stopped. And this seemed like it happened instantaneously, but quite slowly so I could get the point. And they basically said, you had this experience.

’cause you always wanted to know. You always asked since you were a young kid. You were prepared, you could handle the truth. We took you, brought you back. That’s why that car accident. So I’d have a bunch of grounding agents take care of me, which indeed with family and police, psychiatric hospital, courts, judges, uh, you know, I couldn’t escape and go out to Infinite Mind permanently because if I could have stayed there, I probably would have, but didn’t get that choice.

I was drawn back. So yeah, it was eight months later they finally. Told me why I had it. And they also warned that, you know, you’re pretty intense. You have to watch your diet, you have to watch your balance, you have to. Um, and so I was very, very, very grateful for finally getting the explanation. That was the second most beautiful day in my life. The first was when I went to Infinite Minded back, and the second day, eight months later, was why I went there. They explained it to me. So I am. Grateful.

Guy:
is that when you said that was the first time you saw them and the only time that eight months later, the guides?

Gary:
Yeah, I didn’t see him that time. I felt him eight months later. The first time I saw him very clearly.

Guy:
look like?

Gary:
I didn’t need, I didn’t need to see him again. I don’t need to go there again, I was profound enough, convincing enough. I don’t need a second voyage or lesson. I mean, I’d take it, but it’s not required of me.

Uh. And like I said, months later, they explained that I had this experience. ’cause I wanted to know moral of the story, be curious, ask. But from that moment forward, I realized how real our guides are. And I asked them to help me find gigs and cars and places to live and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know?

Guy:
what did they look like? Can you, can you recall like when you saw them?

Gary:
Yeah, they were kind of white robe, almost like monks. They seemed rather big. There were seven of ’em that were sitting around this glass, well, crystal table. The light was coming down from their palms. At first, it just looked like a big spotlight, and I remember thinking this is about six feet over my head, physically right there.

If I had a ladder, I could get up and touch the. The table. So first it just looked like a light. I looked around and none of the people acknowledged it or saw it. I didn’t care. I saw it. I looked up again, and this light was coming down from the palms of their hands, and they looked like they were wearing kind of white robes, grayish white robes.

Their faces were not clear. They looked kind of just grayish as if their faces didn’t matter. They seemed, I guess, from the size of ’em, ’cause they seemed big. They seemed kind of masculine, but they really weren’t masculine or feminine. But they, they were just beautiful and profound and, uh, they knew everything that was going on with me.

They helped me, they made sense, and again, I never saw ’em again. But eight months later I felt ’em. And that’s when they explained to me why I had this experience and I’ve have since seen nine 11 and Covid and all this. Uh, chaos in the political system throughout the whole world. Every country’s going through a revolution. I saw this way back then.

Guy:
Did, did they show you anything of the future that’s yet, uh, have come at this point in time?

Gary:
I saw a lot of the future. I saw it so quickly. Uh, just like millions of cards, like, you know, fanning through a deck of cards or something. Um, and I can’t remember ’em all. It was too much, too fast. But when I see things happen, I realize, wow, I saw that 45 years ago. Uh, nine 11, I was over in Europe. I was a musician in, uh, I was on, um, a cruise ship coming into.

Sweden, about four in the afternoon. Some people on the table said, man, I think y’all just got hit by a terrorist attack. This is nine 11. I ran down to the crew room, looked at the tv, that second plane came through. I looked around, saw all these people in this blue uniform, and realized I had seen that picture on that TV with these people in blue uniforms 25 years earlier.

So I didn’t remember it until it happened, but once it happened and I was watching, I went, wow, I’ve seen this too. I saw COVID-19. It looked like an an oil spill going around the whole earth. I saw, and this is 1977, when people in the United States couldn’t go out and buy a military style weapon. But I saw these young men carrying AK 47 shooting people, schools, hospitals, you know, I couldn’t believe that.

But sure enough, in the last 20 years it has happened, sadly. So there’s a lot of change, transformation, weird things, intensity going on. But I always tell people what we’re seeing is all the flaws in ourselves. And in our system so we can fix ’em, you know? Um, so it’s not in vain. We’re not being tortured.

We are being challenged. We are getting to see what needs to be fixed, but we have the choice to pay attention, make it a better world. I can’t stop all this chaos. Believe me, I would if I could, you know? Uh, but we can only do so much. So I felt very lucky because now that we’re going through all this, it makes sense to me. I’m not, I’m not going crazy over it. It goes, okay, this is the World Revolution and it’ll be going on for 50 years, 75 years till we get to a better spot,

Guy:
Are you?

Gary:
which we will.

Guy:
are your thoughts on that? I mean, there’s a lot of noise on the internet at the moment and a lot of conversations going around that, that we are actually at a very pivotal time in history right now. It’s happening.

Gary:
are,

Guy:
hear your

Gary:
we

Guy:
on that and where you think we are going as a society.

Gary:
we’re moving into the age of Aquarius.

Guy:
that?

Gary:
And that’s a 2000, 2500, 2300 year period. We’re moving out of the age of Pisces and the, it is not a quick break. It’s 150 year transition from one age to the next, and we’re right in the middle of that transition. So when we reach the age of Aquarius, the world will be a lot calmer, nicer, better, more healthy.

Now, I don’t know if there’ll be a million people on the planet left, or 20 billion, I don’t know. But we will enter that next phase of humanity and evolution one way or another. It’s just going to happen. I just happen to see it and feel very blessed about it. And a lot of people, psychics writers talk about it.

Edgar Casey talked about it. Uh, so I’m not the only one who has seen these signs. Um. I saw him way back in 77, and now that I see all this chaos in real time, you know, breaking news every 30 seconds, I’m not shocked. I’m disappointed. I wish the world were not going through such a crazy period. I wish people weren’t so hateful, greedy, selfish. But we have to go through that individually and collectively to learn how to not be there. Yeah, if that makes sense.

Guy:
It does. And that’s the challenge, isn’t it? We get so consumed with. Society and, and the, the constant bombardment of negativity and fear that’s just been channeled through every TV station radio. It’s like a hypnosis that we don’t even, it’s, it’s, you know, especially if we’ve been born into, mean, I remember I was born in the seventies, so I, I kind of, you know, remember the, the video being introduced and. The news was on at like six o’clock at night and we had the 10 o’clock news and that was it. I think, you know, there wasn’t this

Gary:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
but now it’s, we’re, we’re amongst it all the time, and unless we actually make a choice to develop our awareness and consciousness and start to lean into a different way of being, we, we are just gonna get swept away with the negativity that’s out there.

Gary:
I couldn’t have said it better. It’s exactly what we’re going through. Yes, indeed. I couldn’t imagine way back in 77 all the insanity we’re going through, but here it is in real time happening and you said it perfectly, we are going through this transformation. Everybody in the world feels it. You may not get breaking news, but you know that.

Like in Africa, it ain’t raining like it did 10 years ago. I mean, the seasons, the land, the economics, the politics, the environment, it’s all being shaken up and shifted so we can see what we can do to make it better. And some people choose to do that. A lot of people don’t, but that’s free will. That’s just the way that it rolls.

Everybody’s got their own karmic. Uh, reason for being here, their own karmic plot, you know, uh, even Hitler, as evil as that was, he showed the whole world how, how crazy and harmful one crazy man can be. Which by the way, I developed a theory called the one nut theory. One nut can screw up anything. That’s my one nut theory. It’s proven itself over and over and over too.

Guy:
Right. When you, have you ever wondered why you had to have such a, like you had to be hit by a car to have that experience if the premonition was coming on then your guides appear and literally ask you, do you trust us? And you say Yes, and then you get hit by the car. I mean, it seems like, it feels like quite an extreme. Experience to have

Gary:
Well. heavenly experience that you had. They, it was heavenly experienced, but they told me later, eight months later, that they used the car, the head-on collision, as a means to get me outta my body completely to start the launch into infinite mind, knowing that when I came back that I would be grounded, cops, ambulance, police, I couldn’t just void often, go back to infinite mind and stay there.

I had. You know, a life to live. So yeah, it was sort of the way to get me out of my body. And when I came back to make sure that, um, I was taken care of, I was, you know, ’cause I had to go through courts and psychiatric hospital and family and emergency room and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, uh, which never bothered me really.

’cause I wouldn’t have believed myself. I was trying to explain to the police and the cops and the ambulance and the courts and family and friends what had gone on, why I did this, why it happened where I’d been, and you know, nobody could believe me at the time. Now there’s a lot of people who’ve had near death experiences and it’s a lot less, it’s a lot easier to believe, to understand, but at the time, I didn’t know the term.

I didn’t know that’s what I had. It was 10, 15 years later. Before I started realizing, oh, I had one of these near death experiences, outof body experience you were telling people it was happening. You were happy to tell people, this is what just happened to me, but nobody was listening. In a nutshell, Yeah. They couldn’t grasp, but they couldn’t understand. And I, I could easily understand that. I mean, uh, I wouldn’t have believed myself either, you know, back then.

Guy:
How real did that experience feel when you’re having it? Did it feel like, you know, you’re in a dream and then you’re, you’re back on reality and you’re waking up? Or did it feel more real than this reality? Like how, how did that experience feel to you?

Gary:
It felt more real than anything. And if anything, this life is the dream. This is the haziness. This is the confusion. This is the gray area, but that was crystal clear. Beyond comprehension. I’ve never seen anything so clear or that made so much sense to me, uh, as that because it was a voyage to infinite mind with guides.

It’s almost like my guides, uh, where like a pure guide they took me there, brought me back. So that was the clear part. What was also clear is the transformation that we are all going through now and why, so we can see. I always say, so we can see the holes in the boat. You can’t fix the holes in the boat if you don’t see where they are.

Boy, we are getting an education 24 7, 365, and you can heed the call and grow and evolve and do your part to make the world better or not. But there’s no neutral. There’s just no neutral. Everybody’s affected one way or another.

It’s like the, um, light switch on the room is just getting brighter and brighter and all the shadows and the cockroaches are having us crawl out of it. And then now that we know that we, we can see them and do it, we can, you know, allow that light to continue to spread and illuminate what’s really there. And. One thing that was kind of interesting is as I expanded outward, which souls do when they die, that was the big, big, big picture. But before that, during this week of premonitions that I was going through. Several times I noticed that the interface between physical reality and spirituality is the very quantum level.

It’s the smallest of the small, below smaller than subatomic particles. That’s the interface. That’s how we transform from spiritual, non-physical into the physical. It’s at the smallest level. So I experienced the very, very, very, very small as the interface and the very, very, very big as infinite mind to God, infinite possibilities. Uh, I’m extremely grateful, extremely.

Guy:
you see the soul that you speak about this great expansion, but then as part it’s getting compressed into a human body and the, the. The quantum level of a human body is where the interface is allowing us to almost hook up to a, a physical being to allow us to experience through

Gary:
Yeah.

Guy:
senses. do you, how do you

Gary:
Yeah.

Guy:
out? Like how, like how do you see the soul, how do you see the interface? Do you think the chakras of, uh, are that those interfaces as well allowing us to experience Like how do you look at it all?

Gary:
Well, that’s the interface, excuse me, the, the smallest of the small. And as we become human and older and smarter and wiser, we can learn a lot of things. We have free will, we can do this or do that. Because free will is the most powerful gift of humankind ever. We may not be able to change our situation.

We can’t change our genes, we can’t change history, we can’t change the past. There’s a billion things we can’t change, but free will allows us to always be able to change by choice how we look at the situation. Uh, is, are we being thrown into hell or are we giving a, being given a opportunity to avoid it?

You know, so free will does allow us to interpret things, and that’s the most important thing. It ain’t our situation, it’s how we look at it, period. And I’ve, you know, gone through my shared of depression and fear and doubt and anxiety. Um, but I don’t feel any of that anymore. I just don’t. No matter what happens, I see it as a challenge in the 77.

I’m going through some physical challenges and so forth medical, uh, but I look at everything as how much I can learn from it, how much I can grow, how much I can evolve. ’cause why not, you know, there’s not a complaint department, but there’s a billion enlightenment departments and that’s what I choose to tap into and encourage other people to.

’cause there’s no actions, there’s no coincidences.

Guy:
how, how do you view the soul? Like if somebody says to you, what is the soul and what is this purpose? is it here? Like how do you reflect upon that from your experiences?

Gary:
The soul, well, first of all, I see everything, everything as infinite, mind God, infinite power, seeing itself in every way possible. And part of those ways are you and me and individual souls. We got the choice or the opportunity to be individuals by infinite mind. I don’t think there’s a time it started, I think because time is an illusion, time and space or web or are connected together.

But once you’re outside of time and space. There is no time. Everything’s infinite, everything’s happening at once or everything’s happening over infinite time. But uh, yeah, the soul is infinite mind’s way of allowing us to individually experience life, experience uniqueness. ’cause no two souls are the same.

No two experiences are the same, really. So it’s really a, a beautiful gift. What it is physically, it’s an essence that comes into physical incarnation to experience our uniqueness, to grow, to evolve, to see, to learn to love, hopefully. Or you can be a jerk and go out and hurt people, you know? But that’s not a good choice.

Guy:
Mm. It’s all free will, isn’t it? What do you, what do

Gary:
free will.

Guy:
then are the role of guides? Your guides? Do we all have guides? Communication with guides,

Gary:
Absolutely. Absolutely. We, we have more guides than we know. We have guardian angels. We have so many different guides, so many levels of consciousness. I mean, if you just look at the life on this planet, there’s everything from amoeba to us. There’s billions of different levels of physical. Manifestations, animals life.

And that’s only a drop in the bucket compared to the different levels of consciousness that exist. Uh, so yeah, our soul gets to come here and gets to experience, gets to use free will, and again, that’s the most powerful thing because we get to choose whether we want to grow, evolve, learn, benefit, or do none of the above.

Free will is the biggest gift, and if used properly can be the greatest asset of human beings if used not properly. It can be quite a devastating thing is we’ve seen throughout history with dictators and killers and cruel people, but I can’t stop that. The only thing I can do, and we all can do is hopefully raise our consciousness.

I mean, I look at Jesus Christ, one of the greatest gurus ever. You know, the son of God, so to speak, and what he was tortured and killed. I kind of wish he would’ve snapped his fingers and said, Hey, we’re gonna put an end to this crap. But that wasn’t the way it was supposed to be. You know, we’re supposed to go through this chaos.

Guy:
Have you?

Gary:
That’s how we learned.

Guy:
absolutely. Have you had any more experiences like that since that time?

Gary:
Not to that level, but I experience my guides all the time, and yes, we all have our guides, but from 1977 onward, when I realized how real they were, I ask ’em to help me all the time. And they will. And they can, but they can’t barge in your free will. You have to ask them to help you. That’s what it says.

Ask and you shall receive. You don’t get everything, but you do have to be proactive because they respect the fact that we have free will. They’re not gonna come in and tamper with it, but they do tap us on the shoulder and everybody on this planet has guides, and all our guides are tapping us on the shoulder, but we have free will and we get to decide whether to pay attention, grow benefit.

Make it a better world or none of the above it’s choice. That’s the power of free will choice. We get to tune in or tune out. We get to grow and be better or not. But again, there’s no neutral. We’re either going up or down and cycles in life. Sometimes we go up a little bit, go down a little bit. We all go through cycles, but what’s important is the overall trend.

Not the ’cause. If you flat line or descend, you’re not growing. If you’re a sin, you’re still gonna go through cycles, but you’re, you’re headed upward by choice, by practice, by belief. Same way. You hit a home run, same way you make things work. You believe it. And if you believe it and tried, you’re gonna hit more home runs.

Have more success, have more happiness. See more, connect with your guides. Uh, not everything, but you know, it’s kind of a numbers game. Eight outta 10 is a lot better than zero for sure.

Guy:
I, it is funny, I, an image of a stock chart just came in. ’cause people invest in the stock market. They always think it’s just gonna go straight up, you know? So it just goes up and down, up and down. We look at the trend over time and it’s going in a certain

Gary:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and our awareness and consciousness and our life experiences, I, I kind of look at it just like that as we move forward.

Gary:
Me too. That’s a good, good example because it really is, you’re gonna be, and there’s days it’ll drop 10 points and there’s times it’ll drop a thousand points. And I guess converse two goes up and down. Uh, but that’s life. Life is cycles. If it weren’t for cycles, life would not exist. Period. And we would never grow.

Guy:
Another question for you then is. What I’m curious about is those premonition and psychic abilities that kicked in the week before you got hit by the car, what’s happened with those since? Did they evolve? Did they deepen with you? Do you still use them to this day? Like do you still have these premonitions come in?

Gary:
Yeah, but thank God they’re much more subtle. They’re not so overwhelming. They were so overwhelming at that time, as if to say, I. We’re gonna take you to the extreme so you see how much you or anybody can pick up, and then we’re gonna bring you back down. You know, it’s like, uh, which is a lot more comfortable.

’cause I couldn’t handle the intensity anymore. I went through a week of it, and then I was, I was terrified, like I said, crying and screaming. And at the same time, I felt so enlightened. But I couldn’t deal with the extreme anymore. It’s like I give, help me bring it down to normal. So I gotta ride through the extremes.

I gotta ride the infinite mind. I came back and yeah, I still feel that. I still know that I still talk to my guides. I ask them all the time. They’re my best friends and they don’t call me on the phone. They don’t call anybody on the phone. But for example, if you think I use this example. You don’t even have to believe in spirituality.

If you think I wanna learn to play piano, I wanna learn to play piano, I want, you’ll flip on the TV and you’ll end up on a piano player. You’ll notice your neighbor down the street practicing at piano. Those aren’t accidents, those are because you’re tuned into that thought. And so there’s no accidents or coincidences, but there are different frequencies, different situations we can tune into by choice, by practice, and sometimes just by sheer fate, which happened to me, I had no idea before this that I would go through something like this, you know?

No idea. But once I did, I realized. Wow. Maybe it’s a good thing they didn’t tell me in advance. ’cause I would’ve probably really, I may have not signed the dotted line. Wait a minute. I gotta go through that intensity to, I think I’ll postpone it. Um, it just happened because I was destined to see that and learn.

And like I said, I’m extremely grateful. Uh, I wish I could take other people to infant mind and back ’cause you’d. You’d conquer fear, you’d conquer doubt, you know, which I pretty well did. You know, I’m, nothing really scares me anymore. Nothing, uh, nothing blows my mind anymore. Nothing really a hundred percent surprises me anymore.

Uh, and that’s kind of a comfortable place to be in. I don’t, I get curved balls, but I just don’t get freaked out anymore. Why? Use your mind and your heart and grow and evolve and learn. That’s why we go through things. And there’s no limit to how much we can grow and evolve and learn. There’s a limit to how fast you can drive down the highway or how many years you live, but no limit to how much we can grow and evolve. And that’s why I encourage other people to think in those terms. It makes life better, makes you better. It’s a win-win, win-win.

Guy:
do. Do you, uh, still work with people? Do you do readings or anything like that? Like.

Gary:
Yeah, I still do readings. I learned a method called Litho Mancy in 1980 from a very gifted psychic, uh, I’d never seen this. I started giving readings in early seventies with regular planning cards. And, um, in 1980 I met a lady who did a reading for me this way, and she showed me how she did it. She showed me her system.

I’d never seen it before. I liked it. Because I use 16 stones. 10 of them are based on planets, sun, moon, mercury, Venus, Marge, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune Ness, and Pluto. And the other six are love, life, luck, commitment, timing in place. And most of ’em I do, well, I do ’em on the phone now. I don’t do impersonal readings.

I’ve, I’ve got back problems. It’s hard for me to, to move so forth. But when I do ’em on the phone now, I hold these stones and charge ’em up. And have the person say, drop, and I drop ’em into a circle of leather and I read ’em like a clock and interpret what they mean. And of course, nobody can tell you everything, but I get pretty positive response because I’m pretty good at it. And I’ve asked my guides to help me over and over and over. Ask your guides folks.

Guy:
uh, does that book you’re pointing at LithoMancy teach you how to do it? Yeah, it’s uh, it’s got quite a, oh, I got the pages glued up. Yeah, it’s, uh, about 150, 200 page book, uh, about how to do it. I think, uh,

Guy:
cool.

Gary:
I’ve got this one glued together

Guy:
So,

Gary:
so the pages don’t wall.

Guy:
about that, they can actually go and get your book and learn how to do it. I. That’s another,

Gary:
Absolutely.

Guy:
and I’m guessing

Gary:
In fact, you can find out about me by going to garywimer.com, G-A-R-Y-W-I-M-M-E r.com. Gary wimer.com. Leave the L out. I’ve also been an actor and a writer and a musician, but there’s a link there for Litho Man. See, that explains the process I use. And you can buy the book. You can buy either of these books on Amazon or Kindle.

So with that technique, do you like pose a question first or like there’s something you want resolution on, or is it more of just a reading where you’re just open to it or, or a bit of both. I basically go in with an open mind and I look at the stones and sort of let them tell me, uh, what, uh, how to interpret it. Now there’s a lady who taught me this named Alice Wall. I met her in 1980. She showed me this system and, uh, for many, many years I helped her with her car and her, you know, she had a lot of physical problems and helped her with her bills.

And she was always grateful and kept saying, oh, I can’t pay you back, Gary. I said, Alice, all I want is when you pass over. Become my guide. So she’s my guide. Now she taught me this. I put a little stone out to represent her pointing at me. When I do a reading, before I do a reading, I use a deck of cards and always ask my guides, including her if they’re with me. And of course they always confirm it and say yes, but it’s nice to get that confirmation, you know? So, uh, yeah, I feel her talk to me.

Guy:
And your other book, A Second Eternity is, that’s about your whole near death experience and everything. And not, I’m assuming.

Gary:
Correct. It, it takes you from the, the day it started about 1977, January into January, 1977 through this experience. Uh, and it’s got a lot of different, uh, things I went through. Um, I just mentioned one or two of them, um, how I was feeling people seeing things. Um, and how it was, you know, sort of scaring me.

But at the same time, I kept feeling like there’s something going on here. I can’t end this. I didn’t, I, there wasn’t a button I could push to stop it, so I had no choice but to kind of go for the ride. And thank God I did because the ride was certainly beautiful, but it was pretty scary too until I finally.

Overcame all fear and doubt. After the guides above me. Just took away all the fear, took me to heaven back, brought me back, and uh, like I said, I was in the middle of the street, got up to my feet, wasn’t even scratched or hurt. Cops, ambulance, police. So I believe in miracles and I encourage other people to too.

Believe in miracles. Believe in your power. Believe you can learn, grow, believe. You can talk to your guides. Just like a home run, you believe you can hit a home run. You’re gonna hit more than if you think you’re gonna strike out. ’cause if you think you’re gonna strike out, you will. Life will prove. The power of our own intentions always is either immediately or eventually free. Free will think big?

Guy:
Free will think big. I love it. That could even be a t-shirt. um.

Gary:
It would be.

Guy:
it’d be a good one. Hey, free will think big mate. Gary, I, I think that’s a great place to wrap up the podcast. My mind, I just wanna thank you for coming on the show today and I’ve really enjoyed getting to know you mate, and, and your conversation and what you’re about and the message you’re putting out there. And I have no doubt everyone listening to this today, uh, would’ve got a lot, a lot out of it. Um, for everyone, uh, just say your URL one more time. Is it gary wimmer.com? Is that correct? Yeah.

Gary:
Gary Wimmer, GARY. W-I-M-M-E r.com. That’ll take you to my homepage. It’s a dated website, but it works enough for me. Um, there’s an actor link, a writing link, a i, uh, musician link, which, which I don’t do much of that anymore. I still write a lot. I don’t play music. I don’t do any acting anymore. But there’s also a link for litho and you can see my.

You can buy both of these books on Amazon or Kindle, and I’m thrilled to be with you, man, and extremely grateful for you inviting me on your show. Thank you very much.

Guy:
best, my man. Thank you so much. Links will be in the show notes for everyone, wherever they’re listening to this channel. All right. Much love everyone. Thank you. Thank you.

Gary:
Thank you, brother. Stay empowered. Love you.