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Jeffrey:
There’s consciousness fields all around us. In Japan, if you go to buy a house or an apartment, they have to disclose if there was a suicide. It’s in law because people know that there’s an effect. We walk into a place, there’s a history there, there’s a field there, and it does affect us.

Clayten:
So Lourdes in France, the water is known for having certain type of healing properties in it, right? If you go to some of the temples in India, they have temples for prosperity. In Japan, they have temples for helping you conceive a child or having a good harvest and a crop. So that’s a different type of consciousness field. It would have a different intention and they would develop and program these temples to increase that person’s level of consciousness in a particular area.

Guy:
Jeffrey, Clayton, welcome to the podcast. This is my first podcast in a long time where I’ve had two people at the same time in, uh, all different parts of the world, so please forgive me if, uh, if it goes astray slightly. So we, we’re trying to avoid crossover talk and everything else. But I’m very excited. And interestingly enough as well, what I was pondering on was that we used obviously your technology at our event in New Zealand the weekend, and then, uh, people saw the postcard, and I was explaining it to them, and I saw this glazed look go over their face initially. And I thought, “Wow, I need to brush up on how I, uh, how I understand this technology myself as well,” ’cause it was certainly evident within the space in the room while I was there.

So I’m gonna start with you, Jeffrey. You caught my eye. But if, like, a complete stranger stops you in the street or you’re at an intimate dinner party and they ask you what you do for a living, how, how do you go from there, mate?

Jeffrey:
Yeah, usually I start off by talking about consciousness fields because it, it’s like an understanding that’s obvious, but most people don’t, don’t think about it. And without that, what we do doesn’t make sense. Um, so, you know, there’s consciousness fields all around us. You know, when we go to a graveyard or an old battlefield, we can feel heavy, kind of low energy, maybe some negative thoughts. That’s, that’s a low consciousness field, and it’s just there. You can kind of feel when you walk into that area when it starts, and you can back up, and it dissipates. So it, it, it’s, it’s an area of influence, that’s consciousness at different levels. And as we walk around the world, they’re, all around us. Um, you go to a pilgrimage place, um, you know, an elevated place where people have come together to meditate or together. it can feel uplifting and high energy and positive thoughts, that’s a high consciousness field. And so what Clayton and I discovered is a– You could call it a technology.

It’s a system creates a high consciousness field anywhere in the world. And in that high consciousness field, um, it’s kind of… it supports transformation, it supports evolution through really being a sanctuary. It’s quieter in some ways. The EMFs are quieter. forms, other consciousness fields that might be around are supported to be like higher consciousness, so that it’s a, it’s a environment for our evolution to support us to evolve. it’s, it helps us to, um, I don’t know if counter is the right word, but to supported in a sanctuary in a noisy world.

Guy:
Right. Right. Uh, what, what about you, Clayton? Uh, is there anything you wanna add to that?

Clayten:
Well, as Jeff said, it’s, it’s like the elusive obvious conversation consciousness fields. Uh, you go on the positive side, j- just think about being at a wedding, you know, when people are making a commitment to each other, everybody’s come together with an open heart and in a space of love, and that ceremony has been foundational to the survival and the success of our civilizations. You know, if people don’t get married and have children, there is no civilization. There ar– there is no humanity. a wedding is a, a very powerful example of a positive consciousness field. It– And it’s just, uh, you start talking to people about it that way, typically they’re like, “Oh, that’s kind of really obvious.”

You know, you go to your… Think of your grandmother’s house on Thanksgiving, you know, if you grew up in a extended nuclear family, uh, and, and they were on the farm. You know, you go out to the country, you, you, you have Thanksgiving, and, you know, you spend the whole day there. And if it’s a classic Norman Rockwell family gathering, then it’s usually something everybody looks forward to, and it’s a, it’s a beautiful day.

Guy:
Yeah. And that consciousness field, are we affecting that? Like, what are you, what, uh, l- let’s start to break it down, thinking of our listeners as well. Our state of being, where we spend a lot of time. Like, I spend a lot of time in this office, right? Or a lot of time, uh, you know, in, in the house, and am I affecting that by my own state of being internally from my field that I’m emitting? Or is the field affecting me that is emanating from the, the larger field? Or, or both?

Jeffrey:
I, I think it’s both. It’s blending. But, you know, we as humans are very powerful, and we affect the world around us all the time. if you think about it, you know, we know about auras and, that there’s a field around us, so we carry this consciousness field with us. sort of the more intense it is, the more effect that it has on the space around it. you could be, you know, intensely happy, intensely ecstatic, that, that really affects the space, and you have all around you in, in the drywall, the crystalline structure in drywall, in the flooring, in the concrete block. So all of that holds this energy. And so if you’re s- you know, very in a moment, that, that, that is present in that crystalline structure, and it’s there.

It remains there in that place. Uh, the same happens if there’s something very negative and it’s very intense. It can also have a stain. You know, it’s– it hangs around in, in that crystalline structure. So we as humans bring our field with us and what, what we’re experiencing, whether we’re in meditation or we’re in a fight or we’re in a loving embrace, all of that comes to the space. So you have what we bring, then there’s what’s already there, um, from the history. So that the– most of the houses we live in, somebody else has lived in. land has had other people living on it, maybe not in that house before the house was built. There could be thousands of years of history in a place. So we walk into a place, there’s a history there, there’s a field there, and it does affect us.

Like very low consciousness fields, we, we tend to have negative thoughts, and we tend to feel less energy and less And if– why in Japan, if you, uh, go to buy a house or an apartment, they have to disclose if there was a suicide Or someone died by violence there. It’s, it’s in law because people know that there’s an effect, um, if you move into that place. And in Japan also, if you are very successful, like financially, and you do really well, and then you leave the hou- you move out and you sell the house, people wanna have that house because they wanna be– they, they want that financial success energy. so these, these fields or these consciousness, areas stick, stick around. So we have us, the space, and then what develops between two people. So there’s a conscious kinda two or more gathered. There’s like an additional ramp up of energy and, and, um, evolutionary, action together when than two people ga- or two or more.

Guy:
Almost like a, uh, sympathetic resonance. That’s how I kind of look at it, that one’s resonating out externally from us and we naturally … Like when we go into nature, we naturally start to tune into the resonance of nature if we stop and drop in and slow down enough to be with it, isn’t it? Everything.

Jeffrey:
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Guy:
Uh, what, what, what intrigues me as well, ’cause obviously you’re preaching to the converted here because, you know, I run retreats and events and, and feel into the, the shifts of th- those fields and the colle- the collective as we change as an individual, the collective field emerges from that as well, and it just lifts everyone, and it’s like an entrainment. That’s how I see it. It’s like it’s teaching the body, which I find fascinating. But I was completely unconscious to this for a large part of my life as well, and w- would have thought this is just batshit crazy, to be honest with you, until I started having my own experiences and awakening to something that was beyond my five senses.

What have you discovered, because obviously you use technology to do this, and what have you discovered about, there’s probably several questions in here, science and where it’s meeting this at the moment, you know, for the skeptics out there, but also h- how then is that measured, that kind of level of consciousness? Because there’s certainly been, on my own evolution, I’ve felt a depth of an awareness come online that I was completely unaware of and I just didn’t even know that that existed before.

Clayten:
Well, the way that it’s, uh, the way that we measure it w- we primarily use the Hawkins Map of Consciousness.

Guy:
Okay

Clayten:
It’s created by Dr. David Hawkins, and I’ll explain that, but I just wanted to, mention something about workshops. Um, I worked with a gentleman who was, who worked for Context Training for decades, he always said that the w- the work starts as soon as you commit to the workshop.

Guy:
Yeah

Clayten:
field starts before you even arrive, if you wanna say that. And then if you measured it, like if you, say, did a workshop, and you said, “Okay,” if you emailed us the times, we c- we can measure on the Hawkins Map of Consciousness level of consciousness the room at the time, uh, during different times. Now, that’s the amount of energy, and then there’s a specific field of consciousness related to the work you’re doing, right? And that’s why you go to, like, Lourdes, Lourdes in France, the water kn- is known for having certain type of healing properties in it, right? It’s a very physical type of healing, and if you go to some of the temples in India, they have temples for prosperity, as Jeff said, like in, in Japan, or they have temples for, uh, helping you conceive a child or having a good harvest and a crop. So that’s a different type of consciousness field, right?

It might be the same level on the Hawkins map, but it would have a different intention, and they would develop and program these temples to increase that, that person’s level of consciousness in a particular area. So it’s a very sophisticated, uh, field of study. Now, what we use primarily, uh, Guy, is we use, uh, the Hawk- Hawkins Map of Consciousness created by Dr. David Hawkins. It’s a logarithmic scale. It’s done through muscle testing, and it’s from, you know, one to infinity. to 1,000 is the human realm, and it goes all the way up to inf- to infinity, which is or divinity. And, um, it’s, you know, 200 is integrous, is, is courage or integrity. Like, we’ll say, we’ll start at the bottom. 20 is shame, 50 is s- is, uh, despair, 100 is fear, 150 is anger, is courage, 300 is willingness, 400 is reason, 500 is love, 550 is unconditional love, 600 is peace, 700 is where enlightenment begins. Right? And then up 700 to 1,000 are the realms of enlightenment, which, which are pretty rare. And so when we things, we measure it on that scale, and FLFE as a default, right, if you just– if you go on to do the free trial, its default setting is at 550. Now, your home could go much higher, but that’s where we s- that’s where it starts

Guy:
Okay. So w- just with a question to get clarity on that for everyone then. So what you’re saying is, is that we hold a particular resonance or level of consciousness within us, and we measure in our own int- energy field. So it’s beyond the mind, it’s beyond what we think we self, but it’s the resonance that we’re holding. W- is, is that-

Clayten:
it’s the reality of who we are, which includes and transcends our own perception of who we are

Guy:
Okay. Uh, th- and those testings, I mean, that’s been around a long time, isn’t it? Like, how accurate is it, you know? Like, what have you found? ‘Cause muscle testing, you know, there’s people that are– can be skeptical out there around it, but also it can be a very fascinating way of, of finding out what’s going on beneath the conscious mind.

Clayten:
Well, it can be very accurate. We’ve, uh, we have a team of about seven people in the company, and we test each other’s testing, right? So we have levels of, uh, verification of, uh, uh, of a calibration, if you will.

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Clayten:
And as a team, we’ve done over 14 million calibrations in the company.

Guy:
14 million?

Clayten:
14 million.

Guy:
Oh

Clayten:
So we’re, you know, we’re looking for plus or minus about five points on a person or a place. We’re really good with people and places. And, uh, there’s other areas where we’re not so good. We just haven’t developed the expertise there and got the consistency yet ’cause it’s a, it’s a discipline. It’s a profession

Jeffrey:
Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah

Clayten:
Yeah

Jeffrey:
use it to find our lost keys too well.

Clayten:
no, it’s not that k- not yet.

Jeffrey:
Yeah, working on it.

Guy:
Say

Jeffrey:
Yes, so just being, being part, being part of that calibration team. So the way it works is a group come together and what– w- everything is written out, so it’s very consistent every time.

Clayten:
Mm-hmm.

Jeffrey:
so, for instance, they’re checking the level of consciousness of the properties, all the new properties that came on, to make sure when they went on the service that they are at that unconditional love level. they’re testing individually, and they’re, um, then check– quietly, and then they’re checking to see if they all got the same answer. And if they didn’t, then they move off and, and discover why. Um, and generally, they’re kind of testing a true or untrue of a statement in kinesiology. So it’s not a yes or no, but y- but you can use that to go on a scale, you know. you know, on, on the Dr. David Hawkins map of consciousness, level of consciousness property over the previous seven days, um, calibrates at, you know, you’ve got the strength of the muscle when the statement is true. So you say five hundred or more, it’s strong. Six hundred or more, it’s weak. You know, five fifty or more, it’s strong. Five fifty-five or more, it’s weak. So you know it’s five fifty. got a group of people this, and then others check to make sure that what they did was correct. So they’re testing.

Guy:
Yeah, no, fascinating. Thank you for clarifying. And then this, this, the state of being on that level of consciousness is then affecting how we perceive the world? ‘Cause if it’s beyond perception, is that what’s happening? And then as, w- like what have you noticed as well by shifting the field environment, if it’s then sympathetic resonance that is affecting us at some quantum level as well

Jeffrey:
Yeah, and we can ta- talk about the science and what we’ve discovered, about that. So yeah, I mean, you’re kind of looking at the nuts and bolts of how does that field affect us. I mean, we’re in an environment, so this is, um, on a home subscription or free trial. It’s the entire property to, to the, to the borders of the property. So just being in that field, it’s like, it’s like being at a wedding at love. You’re kind of in that– and y-yes, you’re– there’s some kind of resonance that’s occurring. You’re starting to feel love. when you’re immersed in that love, especially unconditional love environment, those parts of us, you know, all of us is in it, and those parts of us that may have been disassociated or during trauma, they start to be in unconditional love when maybe they never experienced that bef-before, that part of us. So that, you know, people start to evolve, relatively quickly.

We see in the first ninety days, you know, a big, pretty big jump in consciousness. but what we– So we’ve done research from the very beginning, thirteen years ago, and we started with s-some plant studies, we now have four plant studies that, you know, really look at the effect of a consciousness, high consciousness field, the FLF V field, uh, versus a control. And we see big differences in, in the, uh, the plant growth, both, both the, the harvest of, uh, red wheat in a big farm in Saskatchewan, that was, you know, over twenty-two percent in a increase in yield in those parts of the field that had the service on it. the farmer didn’t know. It was done through John Deere’s cloud.

You know, they were basically– The tractor was uploading the yield acre by acre, and then we looked at the data later and saw that. And those experiments are all on the site and, the, the plant ones, and then we have a whole series of EMF mitigation experiments because what we saw is sources like smart meters, cell towers, know, especially very strong sources, they were lowering the level of consciousness of the space So, you know, our expertise is measuring consciousness. So, you know, we were– we, we saw that the space was, the place was degraded in its life force. It was lowering in its life force and its consciousness level. ‘Cause life force energy sort of goes up with the level of consciousness. So it just became less healthy to be in. So we knew we, we had to do something.

So we did create something in the service we could talk about later to help with EMFs, and then we did a series of studies that showed that the symptoms, uh, of EMF sensitivity went down in, in the F-LIFi environment

Guy:
interesting. Yeah.

Clayten:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
And look how much EMF is around now. I mean, we’re swimming in it

Clayten:
It’s a soup,

Jeffrey:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what happened is we, we have a PhD on staff, Dr. Paula Bed- Bellwood, and then Dr. Gary Schwartz, a giant in the, the world of s- of science, particularly in, frontier science to mainstream science. You know, that kind of journey of, of taking phenomenon that are occurring and studying them to see what’s happening. Is it real? With frontier science, you really want to determine if there’s really an effect. Is something really happening or not? Um, later in, later in the hist- in the history of the experiments, you will get to how it’s happening or, you know, what exactly is happening. Dr. Gary Schwartz was Harvard, Yale, University of Arizona, head of multiple departments and a professor of, uh, surgery, psychology, you know, all over the map. More than 500 peer-reviewed s- published studies, dozen or more books. So very well-known. Um, he f- found out about us from a customer and was curious, and for a year, he worked with us to– on our experiments to bring them up to the next level, and, um, he became so excited by the data. He’s like, he, he’s a total data geek.

I mean, we give Gary… I mean, he’s 80-something years old now, but you give him data, he’ll stay up all night maybe the next night until it’s, until he’s done with it. And so the analysis of the data has, um, you know, really upleveled, and it’s really important because the s- the statistical significance of, of, of any kind of data really tells you whether it’s a little effect or a big effect. Um, and there’s always a chan- there’s always a probability that something will happen by chance or accidentally, right? So they have this statistical, uh, P value that looks at that. Like, okay, how much you know, rare is it than just having it by chance? Is it 10 times, 100 times, 1,000 times, you know, rarer than just chance, like a 50/50 toss of the, of, of the dice? Um, and our d- our data he got so excited about because we’re in the hundreds of thousands to millions times significance, um, beyond chance.

So, uh, when a scientist like that sees that kind of statistical data, um, and what he perceives as, uh, the positive effect that has showed up in our different studies, um, not just EMF and plants, but also a customer experience survey where we looked at what are the common experiences people have when they’re on the service, um, and some other experiments that we’ve done with outside groups like Ions, the Institute of Noetic Sciences

Guy:
Yeah, that’s fascin- yeah. Wow, that’s fascinating. That’s fascinating. What about, uh, in terms of, uh, d- as it affects us, do people need to be open to it initially to go, you know, willing to, to say, “Oh, I’ll try this,” and, and let it open? Or can it be, be doing unconsciously and then is it affecting the effects on the body? Do people naturally… What have you noticed, like, do people just naturally start making more healthier choices for themselves and maybe because their level of consciousness is shifting, that they actually start to do things more to support and love themselves naturally? You know, I’m just fascinated on all, like, ’cause I worked in the health and fitness industry for a long time, you know, and I’ve always found them all kind of go hand-in-hand now anyway.

Clayten:
Well, what oftentimes happens, Guy, is a wife will, uh, do the free trial and then buy the service and have it on the house and not test the rest– uh, not tell the rest of the family. she’s doing her own kind of blind experiment, right?

Guy:
Right

Clayten:
yeah, it’s very common. we get, uh… So when we did our customer survey, there was multiple benefits that people put at the top of their list. was the ability to forgive self and others, the ability to change a negative thought to a positive thought, sleep, reduced anxiety, better relationships. Those are all the things at the top of our customer service survey. Dr. Schwartz helped us create that survey so that, uh, ’cause the way you ask the questions is very important. So there is not only our double-blind experiments which we’ve done, and we actually did a triple-blind experiment with EMF, we’ve done double-blind studies. And plant studies, of course, eliminate placebo because the plants don’t know the service is on.

Guy:
Of course

Clayten:
So tha-those are, those are the main benefits that people report in the, in the customer service survey.

Guy:
I’m actually here right now at a retreat space in Taupo, New Zealand, and it’s beautiful. And it really brings home the difference between understanding this work and actually living it, because that’s what retreats can do and why we’re so passionate about it. They give you the space to slow down, to reconnect, and truly let something deeper land. So it’s not just an idea, but it’s a lived experience. That’s why we created Live in Flow. So if you’ve been feeling this shift in your own life and you know you’re ready to go deeper, then come back to liveinflow.co to find out more. Anyway, back to the episode Do, do people get symptoms from it? Like a, like a detoxing almost? I mean, that’s what we see at our, at our events once we start elevating that level of, of energy

Clayten:
Yeah. Well, probably at your event, let’s say the room starts at 500, right?

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Clayten:
And then, you know, if you put FLFE on, it goes up and up. I was testing the level of conscious of your of your seminars, uh, at one point, right? So what probably happens is you start at 500, you go to six, you might have 650 in the room, and every point up is 10 times more energy, right? And each level of consciousness has certain, a certain number of microwatts of electricity with it. So the le- the level of conscious might go up to 700, 800, 850 during your event for short periods of time. So that has an effect. Plus you’re doing probably process work, right? So it’s not just the level of consciousness, it’s the process work. So you would have an exaggerated effect to FLFE just going on in environment unless you did a lot of process work in the FLFE environment. Uh, we don’t have many people that have a healing crisis. It seems to be more gradual. But people do go up, uh, 30, it’s almost 35 points now in the first 90 days of being on FLFE, like 35 points on the Hawkins map. So there is a substantial growth, it tends to be a little, it tends to be more gentle than what people would experience in a workshop environment.

Guy:
Yeah, amazing. And w- and what I, what I noticed about in your pod as well, which I was really pleased to see, was the, the recommendation around water, hydration, and even certain supplementation as well to support the body. Um, w- do you wanna speak to that a little bit as well? I think that’s an important point.

Jeffrey:
Yeah, with consciousness rising, and the same thing happens in your, in your events as well, force, like we said, life force energy increases, the body is taking that energy up and, and is evolving with it, both, you know, physically in terms of maybe things that need to be repaired. many of us have lived in places where the energy field around us might be relatively low. So we have to use our own personal energy to kind of grow. and then when we’re suddenly in a higher, like, consciousness environment, that qi life force energy is available to the body, and it does get to work. And that, that, um, whatever the evolution is, it takes water because you’ve got biological processes happening, and then you have waste products that need to be carried away.

So the water really, uh, helps us to clear things. Um, and even when you’re doing process work, you know, water’s, water’s really important ’cause everything’s kind of– the physical and the spiritual, it’s really all together, you know. Happens in the physical

Guy:
Yeah, totally. I, I mean, I just literally recorded a podcast with Veda Austin, who is very passionate about water and has done a lot of research, and that blew my mind. I come off that going, “Holy moly,” you know. And talking about, um, water was 99% light at this core level as well. Like, it was just a fascinating conversation, which I, I recommend people to drop into. But w- with this in mind then, I can’t help but thinking, how does this– There’s, there’s two things I wanna get into. How the hell did you get into this? But before that is, how is it working then? Y- you know, I, I– for some reason, I had that, um, scene from Minority Report with Tom Cruise where he had those women in there doing kind of, you know, connect, connecting to the conscious field and, and doing things like that. Like, but, um, I’m, I’m probably off the mark here. But how, how do– how is it working? Like, how are you getting feels into people’s properties?

Jeffrey:
Well, the original inventor space, his house was like a Ni– it was a Nikola Tesla experiment in some ways. There was high-speed alternating current through stacks, like floor-to-ceiling stacks, like connected top to bottom, top to bottom. the whole place was full of these stacks, they– the voltage and the, uh, oscillation was, you know, fine-tuned to pull energy in. So pulls upon Nikola Tesla’s work in that way. and there was, you know, full hou– a full first floor of these input stacks. They were pulling energy in, and there was one output stack. so that created a very high energy and high consciousness space. uh, when I went to see, uh, the inventor with Clayton, I mean, I walked in the door.

It was like kind of walking into the most amazing of holiest, you know, place in a, you know, a, a shrine or a p– You know, we were in Egypt, and you would go to these temples, and there would always be this holy of holiest place where the real magic happened. it felt like that walking in there. It was like, well, this is– My hair is st-standing up. My goosebumps are going. And I had a full-on, like, enlightenment experience while I was there, and we

Guy:
Wh- when was this?

Jeffrey:
lunch and, gosh, um, seventeen years ago, Clayton,

Clayten:
that was 2008, I believe, Jeff.

Guy:
Right.

Jeffrey:
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Guy:
Jeff. Yeah, so you’re, you’re having an enlightened experience eating lunch

Jeffrey:
Yeah. Yeah, we walked up the street and just seen everybody in the restaurant. I could see how special they e-each were. Like, what was their special gift? And I don’t usually have experiences like that, but it was the intensity of being in that high consciousness field that was this inventor’s house. Um, so this highly energetic space, and Clayton said, “Go ahead, put your hand in it,” and I, like, put my hand forward, and it was very tingly, very high energy. And that space, w- was discovered, had certain characteristics. Besides being high energy and high consciousness, it, had, um, a quantum, uh, association, uh, characteristics. the original inventor was putting people’s– pictures of people’s houses in it, um, sometimes pieces of a crystal.

We take a picture of a crystal, and then a crystal in Europe would stay energized ’cause he was– At first, he was selling energized crystals putting them into this space, then discovered, I don’t have to ship the crystals back and forth when they deplete if I take a picture of the crystal, and the picture goes into that stack.” So that photograph identified that crystal as a unique crystal in all of creation. I mean, nothing else had that exact shape, flaws, th-that color. So it’s iden-identified, and that quantum connection would occur, and that crystal stayed energized indefinitely. So that was a very special characteristic of that space, is that, you could create a field anywhere in the world if you had a unique identifier that could go into that space, um, uh, like an address, coordinates, phone number for a cell phone in a certain jurisdiction. That identifies that or that object, and u- it’s unique in the world, and then that field activates. It, it’s very much like you’re thinking of someone, and they call you a minute later. So someone, it is, say your, your mother calls you, she’s thinking of you, and she’s holding you in mind. Maybe she’s dialing the phone.

You’re thinking of her now because that quantum connection between the two of you is activated, and then the phone rings and, “Oh, I was just thinking of you.” So are– we as humans are able to quantumly connect, that’s seen in twin studies, um, mother and children, where something happens across the world and they know instantly, know, that something occurred. Or telepathy, the telepathy tapes and things that are starting to come out. Well, how does that happen other than some kind of quantum connection between the two? ‘Cause there’s no space or no distance, and there’s, you know, no time. So that’s the basis in this highly energetic space in the bottom of this system that allowed us to raise consciousness in houses and homes and businesses around objects.

Guy:
Wow. It, it, it’s a head spin, isn’t it? I mean, I, I’ve, w- like I, I still try and wrap my r- head around how quantum works, you know. I mean, I, I’ve stopped trying to think about it really at the end of the day. But, uh, I’ve had plenty of evidence in my own life and through different healing experiences. Yeah.

Jeffrey:
It just takes personal, personal experience. I mean, we had people that tested it for us, and we would their address and put it into that space, and they’d be on the phone, they’d say, “It’s on.” And we’d take it out, “It’s off.” Take… And it’s 1,000 miles away, you know, 2,500 miles away. I- they would know whether it was on or off because they were pretty sensitive people. So it was through experiments like that that we got to really see that this works. You know, there’s something happening here

Guy:
You know, and the thing that has amazed me, uh, is the, the level of, like was when we met the other week, like the level of professionalism and how you’ve set up a, a whole business c- company with s- with spiritual values, like through the heart of it all, and grown this to this degree of what you’ve been doing for such a long time. And that is no easy mission. I, I know that for a fact, ’cause I’m doing it my end, and it’s bloody hard work i- in terms of, you know, going through all that. At what point did you think that this is gonna be our mission, this is our journey, this is what we’re gonna b- this is what we’re gonna do now? Because that i- that decision in itself is, I, I believe, huge and takes a lot of courage

Clayten:
Well, we were, uh, we knew we had something in about 2011. We were experimenting, uh, with the technology. Uh, the original inventor was getting very old by then. He was kind of fading, and he’d started it off, Guy, to actually– He wanted to create a free energy device to help humanity. was a retired German tool and die maker, mill mi- millwright, electrician, very well-trained man.

Guy:
F- free energy

Clayten:
he, he wanted to create a fer- Well, actually, it’s a f- it’s a free energy device now ’cause there’s nothing– It doesn’t– It’s not plugged into anything anymore. We’ve just found a way to amplify the signal, it actually runs off the ether But you can’t plug anything into it. You can’t, like, you can’t plug like a, you know, uh, a microwave or something in, you

Guy:
Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha

Clayten:
But it’s a subtle, it’s a subtle energy field. So we, we were experimenting back in about 2011, just before the 2012 event with the Mayan calendar ending, and we would go on Google Earth, and we would find the lowest consciousness place on a continent. measure it through kinesiology, and we would put, uh, a consciousness field on that area, and there is a law of non-interference, so we measured what that, you know, what that number, what level of conscious we could apply without affecting the law of non-interference. And we would put that area on, and all, the whole area around it would go up. And we were like, “Wow, this is really cool,” right? ‘Cause he, the other inventor really didn’t do much with that. He was more about helping individuals. And, um, so we put that on, and then, you know, a lot of these places where we found out was, they’re all battlefields, like in the Cambodia killing fields or the concentration camps, places like that that were You know, there’s a story there that’s, I would say, it’s self-evident that, and understandable

Guy:
I’ve been there. Yeah. Yeah.

Clayten:
Yeah.

Guy:
Yeah

Clayten:
Yeah. So that would help lift the whole area up, sometimes the whole continent a few points, right? And we did more and more of this as the year went on, 2011. And we finally, you know, after 2000 and… After, I think December 21st, 2012, you know, we finished up, took a little holiday, and then we were t- ’cause we were meeting every day at the end, right? It was a lot of fun, and we were hoping to make the transition into whatever was gonna come next be as smooth as possible. And we were meeting in January, uh, you know, and we were talking and Usually, you know, just like we had our meeting today, usually before we have a meeting, we pray. That’s part of our business as a spiritual path ethic. We pray, you know, set an intention, and one day on a meeting, we really had a sense that we should consider doing this as a business, you know? We should really l- ’cause this could help a lot of people. And, uh, the thing about business, you know, people say to us, “Well, why don’t you just give it away for free?”

Well, it’s not that we don’t want to, to do it for free, uh, but there’s a limitation on how much we can do, like as people with our own resources. Like we have f- almost 50 staff, guy. have a– We managed to buy our own office building. We have, you know, 25,000 square feet, and it’s not all full with people yet, but, um, we have really… As you met our staff, they’re, they’re professional people,

Guy:
Yeah

Clayten:
spiritual devotees. They’re very prof- you know, and they– Everybody needs to make a living. So sometimes the best way you can be of service to the world… mean, besides the fact that we give 95%, probably 99% of the time, we give 95% or more of the energy that comes from the machine, we give it all away in service work anonymously. Right? But sometimes the best way to be of service in the world is to have a business, a thriving, successful business. Then it can pay, it can pay for, you know, research and development, like we had all these EMF studies done. last EMF study was hundreds of thousands of dollars. You know, like, where’s, where’s the money gonna come from? You know, we’re willing to receive donations. You know, people have given us a bit of money, but if you’re gonna sustain something, you need a, you need a cash flow

Guy:
I, I couldn’t agree more.

Clayten:
Yeah, that’s

Guy:
Yeah,

Clayten:
is, you know? It’s how the world is.

Guy:
no, absolutely. And, and, um, you know, as that ecosystem continues to grow and more money flows through, you can have more impact in the world. I think it’s very easy. I, I’m all for supporting, uh, independent businesses. I do everything I can in my area, whether it be the, you know, the, the local farmers markets or, or whatever it might be. Like, I’m very conscious of where I want my energy and my money to go to support that, you know? And the… what’s gonna, uh, impact the world at a, at a deeper level, for sure. You know, it’s, it’s needed.

Jeffrey:
Hmm, hmm.

Guy:
So, so you, you got nearly 50 staff now.

Clayten:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
And, uh, how many, how many people are on the service would you say?

Jeffrey:
Yeah, we’re in tens of thousands people

Guy:
S- so you got a lot of case studies as well then?

Jeffrey:
We

Clayten:
yeah.

Jeffrey:
Yeah, I mean, we’re– We– Yeah, we do. We have so, so many testimonials

Clayten:
Oh yeah, thousands

Jeffrey:
um, 90, 90-plus countries, so I don’t know if it’s 91 or 92 now, but yeah, that

Clayten:
Hmm

Jeffrey:
growing. But people all, all over the world and, um, you were asking before, like, what– how does this people’s lives or what happens? And, um, I thought of one of the ones I heard about, which was, uh, a woman put the service on. She didn’t tell her family. Um, but her husband had… He just was very overweight. He was at maybe four– 450 pounds, you know, upwards of that. And she said he, he didn’t get out of bed and, um, know, she did his, her– You know, she supported him and helped him, and he would try to lose weight, and he never could. And she put the service on, and his weight just went down. Just, he didn’t know, nothing changed. But something happened energetically to him. Some blockage was cleared, belief changed about himself, but he started to lose weight just naturally on his own. Um, and it was a gradual process, but she said it was, it, it was like a miracle to her because no matter what they did before, nothing would help.

Guy:
Yeah. Do you have a service where you can take it with you as well, right? Like an object or something so you, you, you’ve got that resonance and my m-

Jeffrey:
you can put it on, put it on your cellphone

Guy:
And, and how far does that emit out? Are you able to measure that too, in terms of

Jeffrey:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
its distance?

Jeffrey:
So, so we specify that in– So, you know, if, if you think back to the original machine in this highly energetic space, we would put sheets of paper in there that would specify the, the level of consciousness and the size. Because if you put the service on your house, because of the law of, of non-interference, you, you can’t put it on all your neighbors too. Um, certainly not without telling them and talking to them about it and asking to, you know, drinking more water and, you know, having some good, healthy water in the house and, you know. It’s mainly the water that is the reason why you don’t put it on someone’s house. so we had this– When we created this, what we call programs are information in the field, but they’re also information specifying the field, the size of the field, the level of consciousness of the field. then the information in the field, just like Clayton was mentioning about some of these temples where you go into space and, you know, ferti- it’s for your fertility or it’s for your, um, financial abundance.

Well, there’s actually a high consciousness, thought, there’s thought forms um, high consciousness in that area of, say, prosperity. It’s like when you– call it the grace of the guru. When you go to someone who’s very high consciousness in some area, it might be financial. I mean, you might go to someone, you go to a lecture or you watch a video, something that’s really done well. know, they like, maybe they’ve made fortunes three or four times, you know. They just, they just are magnetized to prosperity. When you’re in the field of that person, particularly in p- in person n-near them, that is transmitted to you, that, that, that because you’re in their information field well as their con- which is their consciousness field that has this to, to, to make money, to do well financially. So we’re building some information into the field, and it’s always, um, you know, like if you’re with a financial guru, it’s up to you what, what you do with it,

Guy:
Of course

Jeffrey:
It’s there kind of for you as a resource, and it’s the same with F- with FLFE and the consciousness field. So we write these programs in English. They’re kind of between a, between a computer program and a l-legal document, kind of probably closer to a legal document ’cause everything, everything is very specifically laid out and defined. And, um, that Because of the characteristics of this system, that highly energetic space, these things happen. And with the phone and an object, the field goes to nine– The really in– high, highest consciousness part goes to nine feet from, from, from the center line of the phone.

Guy:
Okay

Jeffrey:
So you’re in a nine-foot radius bubble, 18-foot across bubble, and that’s where the EMF mitigation’s happening. It starts further away, but by the time it gets there, you know, we want it to be f-fully mitigated as, or as well as possible, we can talk more about that later. But yeah, it’s a nine-foot bubble, and then it’s 300 feet radius or 600 foot is still higher consciousness than the surrounding area. And, and, you know, unless you go somewhere very high

Guy:
Awesome

Jeffrey:
um, so when peop– when you walk around, it’s really interesting. You walk into a store and people just smile. You know, there, there seems to be like a very positive, bubble that you’re in. It’s, it’s really unusual

Guy:
do you have any pilots on it? Like, is it air- ’cause I think of the airplane and the, the EMF containers that are there. ‘Cause I, I travel a lot as well, you know?

Jeffrey:
Yeah. We’d sure like to have some pilots. We don’t– I think we have some, you know, by chance, but we haven’t, we haven’t promoted it to the… Because th- there’s this kind of, I don’t know if it’s a fight, but there’s like this, like the businesses and the government says, “Oh, nothing’s happening. Don’t worry. know, keep that cell phone right by your head.” Um, and there’s actual, know, people that are EMF sensitive and things are happening. So there’s that kind of friction that’s going on. So you couldn’t go to an airline and try to sell it to them because they’re gonna say, “Oh, this doesn’t happen.”

Guy:
It’s fine, yeah. No, that’s fascinating, isn’t it?

Jeffrey:
find, find, find the pi- any pilots that are listening, you know, give it a try. You know, there’s a free trial

Guy:
But y- you have a business service as well though, don’t you, f- with this as well? And could you explain a little bit about that? ‘Cause I was intrigued about that the other day when I was in email communication with, with Monica about the business being in the field itself as well. How would you, how would you explain that?

Clayten:
Well, a legal entity has a consciousness to it,

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Clayten:
right? if your business, uh, has ever had a time when you’ve worried about it or wanted it to be different, it affects the consciousness of the entity, the corporate entity. And so when you put, uh, FLFE on the legal entity, it raises the level of consciousness of the legal entity. I know it’s, it’s a bit strange, but we get so many people saying, “Yeah, I put the service on you know, the phone just started ringing. I don’t– Look, I didn’t do anything different. The phone started ringing. I had a flurry of activity. I could hardly keep up.” That’s really common right in the beginning. So it seems to clear things away that were there. And of course, if it’s on the physical location, it will remove the negative trauma from the physical location, right? So it clears the physical location s- uh, you know, uh, every sec- like a thou- a thousand million times a second, those programs, those thought forms that Jeff talked about, you know, go through the environment, it keeps clearing it and clearing it and clearing it. So if something happens, it doesn’t stay

Guy:
Gotcha. Gotcha. And, uh, yeah, have you got the field on this podcast right now? Is that what’s happening?

Clayten:
yes. Yeah, so we, uh, w- you can have a 700 field on a podcast or a public event, and you’re still within the law of non-interference. That’s about the highest you can go, uh, r- indefinitely. So we put that on the, the, our conversation before we started. So anybody that listens to this conversation now or any time in the future, they can hear us speak, there’s a 700 consciousness field around that person

Guy:
Incredible. Incredible. Yeah, and another question I wanted to ask you about this, are you– like, have you measured humanity as a whole? Uh, is there any hope for us? Are we, are we moving in the right direction?

Clayten:
Well, yeah, we’ve done a lot of measurements like that. Uh, the highest humanity’s ever been been in the fall of 2019, and then we started going down, uh, on like as a, at the planet, right? So we’re just talking about the planet. We were in the 240s in 2019, and then 2020 when the pandemic happened, we– the, the world dropped down. But 1986, Guy, was the first time that the planet overall has ever been over 200. So we went over 200 in 1986, then we w- you know, kept kinda climbing up and climbing up. And if there was a big event in the world, like a war, the planet would go down for a while, and then it, you know, it’s like a ocean wave. You know, you have your peaks and your troughs. It goes up and down and up and down. But we are now, uh, we’re about 225, so we, we went down and we’re coming back up. So I think there is, there is cause for, a lot of cause for hope, actually

Guy:
Yeah. Well, that, that’s a good thing. That’s a great thing. I, and I just wanna say, um, Jeffrey, I’ve got a warning saying you’re critically low storage, so I’ve, be mindful, I don’t wanna lose you off the file as we, as we come to the end of the podcast as well.

Jeffrey:
okay

Guy:
Just, uh, just to, you know … But

Jeffrey:
won’t go

Guy:
yeah.

Jeffrey:
Yeah.

Guy:
So, so, so just to wrap up the podcast, though, as well, ’cause obviously, um, w- we’ve used it at some of our events now, and that’s why we’re on the call today. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve been bringing it into the home, and especially when I, when I travel, I, I use it with the phone,

Clayten:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
and so I might be staying at a hotel. I mean, I always go in and clear the space anyway when I’m in there, but it’s been very noticeable and very evident when we walk into the, the spaces, uh, especially like the community halls and things like that, that are, that are, are getting used a lot by all sorts of different events and, uh, different things as well. So I’m, I’m intrigued to, to continue to get my own feedback system through as we, as we go through, um, the, as we continue to run the events as well. But for people that are, uh, want to try this, you offer a fif- is it 15, 14, 15-day free trial, I believe?

Jeffrey:
Yeah, two weeks free

Guy:
Yeah

Jeffrey:
and there’s no credit card. Um, you just get on and really literally within a few minutes you’re on the service. Uh, and you get a control panel, a customer portal that you can turn it off, turn it on, turn it up, turn it down, and do these boosts, these extra high consciousness short periods of time, which are great for meditations or just all sorts of things. so you get that in the first couple of emails, and then you experiment.

Guy:
B- be your own, yeah, be your own self, uh, experiment. That would be the great way to go about it, right? Try different things. What have you… What have people done? Any suggestions for them to experiment with?

Clayten:
Well, we have a consciousness slider in your control panel. You can slide the consciousness down, and you can slide it up,

Guy:
Okay

Clayten:
right? So you can see if you can feel it, if you’re sensitive. You can turn the EMF mitigation on and off, and you can do the higher consciousness boost. We have a six hundred boost and an eight fifty boost, so you can really turn it up for just a couple minutes, and you can just play with it and be your own consciousness researcher.

Guy:
Yeah. Yeah, fantastic. Uh, and are you doing something with the water as well at the moment? Isn’t this s- something that you’re looking at, or is that

Clayten:
Yeah

Guy:
what

Jeffrey:
Yeah, we’re, we’re moving, moving into that, and the water, is– will be part of the service or will be available, um, as we move into a new platform for FLFE, a new back end. what we discovered is that water, the most appropriate level of consciousness for water is eight fifty on that scale, which is very high. and at that level, uh, there’s some natural structuring that happens, and, uh, absorbability in the body and how it, how it of nourishes is greatly increased. Probably the light, like from your previous guests, is greatly increased. So that’s, that’s coming as well to the service.

Guy:
Yeah, that’s exciting. That’s exciting. Well, I’ll make sure there’ll be a link in the show notes for people to try the f- 15-day trial and, uh, the two-week trial, I should say. And, uh, I’d be interested to hear what, uh, what feedback people get from it as well. Um, before we wrap up with the podcast, any last words you, you wanna, you wanna share with, uh, everyone here today?

Clayten:
We just appreciate you having us on, Guy, and, uh, yeah, you’ve, you’ve been, uh, very easy to deal with and, um, lots of good things about your work over the years, and I’ve, I’ve watched you a few times, so I’m really glad to be having this conversation with you. So thank you for having us on.

Guy:
Welcome, Clayton. Yeah. Thank you. Gentlemen, thank you so much. It’s been great. I feel like I’m scratching the surface. There’s so many directions I could take that in,

Clayten:
Mm-hmm.

Guy:
uh, honestly, but, uh, I’m, I’m sure there’ll be more conversations.

Clayten:
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeffrey:
Love to

Guy:
Yeah. Much appreciated, gentlemen. Thank you so much

Clayten:
Take care

Jeffrey:
Thank you