#195 My amazing guest today is Christian Sundberg. Christian is a public speaker and author, with a background as a project manager in the manufacturing industry. After starting a practice of meditation and spirituality, Christian remembered his pre-birth memories, that he had accessed as a child but forgotten until the age of 30. During our conversation today, we discuss the nature of pre-birth experiences, Christian’s first pre-birth memory, and how we are all spiritual beings experiencing a physical reality. We also talk about the role of fear and the effects of its low vibration on us. If you’re curious about the nature of fear, trauma, and our physical life, then this episode is for you.
“I like to call fear: simply yet uninvolved. Fear is just a signpost to us that we have an experience or a condition that we have not yet fully integrated.”
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About Christian: Christian Sundberg has worked for over 15 years as a project manager for complex nuclear pump and valve manufacturing projects, some valued at over $100MM. Christian is also a public speaker, having presented at over 80 events.
When Christian was a young child, he remembered his existence before coming to Earth. While that memory left him completely for his early adult life, it spontaneously returned at the age of 30 as Christian took up a meditation practice and went through a personal awakening journey. He also began to have Out of Body Experiences (OBEs). Christian now seeks to remind others in at least a small part of who we really are beneath the human “play.” Christian is the author of the book A Walk in the Physical, which attempts to succinctly describe the larger spiritual context in which we exist and the importance of love in our human journey.
Key points with time stamp:
- 00:37 Who is Christian Sundberg?
- 03:10 What is a pre-birth experience?
- 05:24 How pre-birth memories can be accessed
- 11:29 The story of Christian’s first pre-birth memory
- 32:33 How can we balance spiritual awakenings with our physical world?
- 36:53 What is the nature of fear?
- 42:00 What is the purpose of our physical universe?
- 47:23 Can a spiritual awakening be used as a way to avoid our physical reality?
- 54:13 The role of meditation in our daily lives
- 56:02 Pre-birth experience and spiritual awakening resources
- 59:20 “You’re not just a human”
Mentioned in this episode:
- Thomas W. Campbell, Physicist
- My Big Toe, 2003. A book by Thomas Campbell
- Silver Birch, spirit guide
- Seth Speaks, spirit guide
- Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul, 1972, a book written by Jane Roberts
Please note, this is an automated transcript so it is not 100% accurate.
Beautiful. We’re live. Cristian, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you very much, guy, It’s great to be here.
I am like it was just speaking to you off air as well. I stumbled across your work a few months ago. And I was absolutely fascinated, absolutely fascinated. It’s not many conversations I think I can have, like I think we’re about to have today with your, your journey or experiences. So I just want to know, I’ll let you know, I really appreciate you coming on the show today. And I always love to ask my guests this very first question every show, because it always strikes an interesting conversation anyway. And that is, if you were at an intimate dinner party right now with a bunch of strangers. And the person next to you said, what do you do for a living? What would you say?
The typical human answer is to respond with a career choice. I’m currently in between jobs. But typically, I if they’re interested, I’d like to dig a little deeper and ask, you know, what they mean by it? And, and I like to qualify that who I am is not specifically just what I do for a living. So for 19 years, I worked in the nuclear power industry, I spent 14 years managing complex nuclear valve and pump manufacturing projects. But I know that’s not what we are. I’m not completely distracted by that. So if it’s a setting like that, I’d probably like to draw attention to what both that person and I really are. And the media can have in this experience at the table.
Yeah, and what if, how have you found your response to these conversations? Are people open? Or is it really is it a place to gauge where people are at first that they’ll either run a mile or just go tell me more? That’s fascinating.
Yeah, people really have been very open. And I know how, what I share sounds, I’m not, I’m not unaware of the the non stereotypical non mainstream nature of the message that I’ve shared. I know how I know how it appears on the surface. In fact, I have no I didn’t even share my pre birth experience for seven or eight years after he returned to me because it just didn’t seem appropriate to do so. But the other response has absolutely been amazing. I’ve met so many absolutely amazing people, so many deeply spiritual and aware people, I’ve probably met 30 or 40, other pre birth experiences by now, other people who remember choosing their life and coming to earth. So I’m definitely not the only one. It’s really, it’s really very cool when we can validate portions of that experience with each other here. And I feel like it’s such a cool thing to come all the way here be human, and then touch base here, you know, on the earth, about these things. It’s quite a unique, quite a unique thing.
Incredible, and how would you define then a pre birth experience?
Well, yeah, so linear time is tricky. Because linear time is a construct, we actually transcend the linear time that we seem to be so bound to. So when I say pre birth, you know, of course, it does occur before human birth, but it also for me, feels like it’s happening right now. And also, it feels like it’s ridiculously ancient. I don’t know how to describe it. But it is an experience that occurs prior to, you know, the process of incarnated that accepting the veil and coming into have a physical experience. And to me, it seems very normal, very natural. When this experience returned, to me, it was the most normal natural thing in the world. It was like, like, someone just told me that I had coffee waiting for me on the dinner table or something, and I was just totally normal. nothing unique about it, though, I understand that it is unique on earth, not to, not to remember but yeah, we all go through a process of coming. You know, there’s there’s an intention behind our lives. And that process of life selection and accepting the veil and coming to be physical, I’m just referring to that generally, as a pre birth experience. It’s a very deep and personal experience at the much deeper levels of the self that precedes the human experience of a given life.
Yeah. Well, it’s amazing Christian like I get it like, because I think even just going back three or four years ago, I would have been challenged to have this conversation because a part of me would still not go really like come on, you know, but at the same time I’ve done plant based medicines like I’ve done Ayahuasca journey, I’ve, then which led me into just getting pulled into meditation, I had no desired outcome from it. And then, but I just pulled us like, why am I so curious about this? I just got to scratch that itch, you know? And then let you know.
I do now. Yeah. Yeah, you
know, so then led me to have these expansive experiences that would be on myself and beyond linear time. So but once I had that experience, I go, Huh, it actually feels like coming home. But it’s kind of familiar, but it’s not. It’s, you know, so then, you know, and it’s continued to open up since hence why I invited you on because I kind of had enough, I guess, threads of experiences to go wild. There’s definitely more than I’m done. I actually consciously know my conscious mind. You know, so. So I definitely get where you’re coming from. I’m curious in your life, because I’d love to touch on some of your, your experiences from the pre birth and the memories. But what was it like because, you know, in your bio, you talk about, you kind of had these memories as a child. But then, like all of us as children, we tend to forget our memories. And then we become an adult, and we kind of, you know, suppress, and then, but they started bubbling up for you. Again, was there a particular trigger or an incident that actually set that off in your life? Because I believe you said you were 30 years old?
Yes. So my body is 41 years old right now. And when I was 30, I took a long term meditation practice, just like you’re saying, I had no expectation at all. It’s just that I meditated several times, and it felt wonderful. That’s initially what compelled me to keep doing it as I found some peace, you know, that I was always stressed and anxious. And at first, it was just that, wow, there’s actually peace and just being able to focus on just one thing. Tom Campbell, the physicist and consciousness explorer, who I’m a great fan of recommends meditation as a form of investigation. In other words, just go see, Go, just go look, go find out what is your awareness, your consciousness itself, when it’s not associated with all the thoughts. And so it doesn’t need to have any meaning attached to it all, you just go look. So I did that. And after a few months, I had a non physical experience, similar to what you described, I don’t know if mine would technically be called a kundalini awakening. But I had a very strong energetic, vibrational experience that shocked me. And I continue to meditate after that. And then the memories were just there. It wasn’t like a big, like, tada, it wasn’t a big revelation. It was just they had always been there. It’s just that they have been covered up, like, I don’t know, like, the ground covered by leaves or something. And the leaves just got blown away. And there it is, and it’s so normal. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I remember that. I remember knowing that when I was a kid. I forget that. You know, it just seems it seems strange to me that I’ve forgotten. It still seems strange to you know, that we’ve we’ve forgotten. But yeah, it just it was just there.
And how vivid were the memories that started to come through.
So at first, it was segments that are ridiculously vivid, they’re not, they’re not like earthly memories, they are being level, you know, they’re like this, all this is so impossible to describe, I just have to disclaim this. Before we get into all this. And I, I say this every time I have a conversation with somebody because we really, really have to be careful not to take the meaning of our earthly language. And think that that can describe this stuff. It just can’t. language words are form, you know, they are symbols, elements of our local experience, and who our true nature transcends this experience entirely. It transcends linear time, physical distance, all the things that our language is like our language is based in a world of spectrums, and we transcend those spectrums. So I just have to say that as a disclaimer, very quickly, because there anytime I feel like any time we even put out any words on it, it’s just wrong immediately, because of the expansive and unlimited nature of these things. Okay, but that being said, the memories are very being level memories. They are like living experiences now that are deeply a part of me, and are connected to a great deal of feeling and imagery and knowledge. That’s the only way I can describe it. It’s not like one like earthly memory is very specific and dull by comparison, are limited. And sometimes I’m closer to it. And sometimes I’m further away, you know, if I, if I haven’t meditated in a while, and I’ve been focusing on work all day, every day, you know, it feels more distant. But if I’m clear and focused and not associated as deeply with thinking, and with my earthly identity, and I’m just fully alert, that it can be extremely tangible, too. But that’s the nature of the veil, you know, we we kind of oscillate we, the more we focus on our story here and on our thoughts and on our conditioning and on our labels of the story, the more deeply we wrap ourselves in that, that deeper the veil is felt. And you know, we can feel more distant from our true nature, especially, especially when we buy into perceptions that are not in alignment with the truth of who we are. Like, if we buy into perceptions of powerlessness, or unworthiness of love, or lack of freedom, those are all converse to the truth. The truth is, we are worthy of love and powerful and free beings. And I just mentioned that because here on Earth, you know, we get tied up in these perceptions of those negative self perceptions, and that, that associating with that losing ourselves in this perceptions, it deepens the feeling of the veil and our distance from that side. So when we can let go and just be fully present and fully feel the aliveness that we are, you know, that deeper stuff can just rise up on its own? Once again?
Yeah, yeah, incredible. I got to ask you this, because you’ve probably shared it 1000 times, and I do apologise, but I know a lot of the listeners will be new to listening to you today. And it’s like, what memories did you have? What what what were you starting to experience with some of these from these meditations? What was coming through? Because I think it’s, for me, it’s like, it’s, it’s the greatest mystery of all, isn’t it? It’s, it’s like, you know, and when you have people like yourself that talk about these things, it’s, it’s needed, I believe.
So we all know, I don’t consider myself special at all. In that regard. We all know, deep down, we none of us need an external person. I just want that to be said up front, because we’ve all gone through amazingly rich deep journeys, even if even if we are deep in human personality for a while, that’s okay. That’s what we’re here on earth to do. Okay, but also, I’ll share. Okay, so the first memory that I have in this experience, is long, long ago before had ever been physical at all, coming across a being who had been physical. And I was so deeply inspired by the quality of this beings, nature or essence, the quality of what he was, it just had this depth and beauty and power to it. And so much joy and so much love and so much capacity, and so much. Just power and quality. I don’t know how to describe it. So it was so rich. And I asked him, and again, these aren’t words, it’s telepathic, there’s just an exchange of information on that side, very complete and full exchange. Like oh, my goodness, like, what did you do to become this look at look at look at what you’ve become, what could you possibly have done? To do this? And are you filled it with as much joy as I feel that you’re filled with and he shared with me? Yes, he shared, he shared a lot with me. And among what he shared with me was that he had lived physical lives. And there was one physical life in particular, where he had been, he had suffered, he had been either wounded or had some kind of disease, but he had a pain with him that lasted for many years. And it was very, very difficult for him to tolerate. But the way that he chose to meet that experience was very powerful. And, and through that experience, it permitted a very deep and beautiful refinement of his being. That’s the best way I can describe it. And I was just so inspired, that I want to do that. I’m going to do that. I am going to do that. And he said, The words are so lacking here. But it was kind of like, yeah, that’s what they’ll say. Like, you know, kind of not brushing me off, but almost like in a playful way like it is he communicated. It’s difficult in a way that you just don’t understand. You just have no, you just have no knowledge of how difficult this can be. And I persisted, and I said, No, I mean it, I want to do it. And he said, well, then go talk to your guides. So I did, and I don’t recall right after that, but I do remember living many times and then coming and finding this being leader and engaging him and kind of sharing with him that I was on this path And he was he was encouraging. Okay, so now the majority of this pre life memory is of a time somewhat immediately preceding this physical life. I remember taking a very long break after a previous physical experience. And this guide coming to me repeatedly and asking me, Are you ready to go back yet? Are you ready to go back yet? And just putting them off for a while, like over and over? Like, no, I’m not ready at No, I’m not ready. It’s like putting them off many times. Because I was just not ready to go back and do that yet. And finally, I said, Okay, I’m ready. And I remember I remember, okay, reviewing what I can only describe as like a, like a chart or, like a, it was reviewing my state, like, who I was who I had been the qualities that I knew that I really understood and engendered maybe. And it was a rich review of, like I said, it’s so hard to describe, but like all of what I am. And it was clear in that the thing that I needed to work on. I don’t really like the words work on, it’s more like the the area that would be best for me to experience and evolve through something like that. And it was just blatantly obvious. Like it was like, if you looked at, I don’t know, this is just crude human language. But imagine if you looked at like a chart with 100, I don’t know, 100 lines on it. There’s one that’s just like, super like down, you know, like way, like, super obvious to see. It’s like, oh, yeah, I gotta do something about that. Like, it was no, there was no ambiguity. And so I said, okay, and okay, so what this thing was, was a fear, it was a very low vibration energy, a fear energy that I had experienced in previous lives. And it had bested me, there was one one life in particular, in which this fear had gotten out of hand. And it had overcome me and I became very egoic. And I hurt many other people in that life. And I had no I, like, I couldn’t believe that I had that much fear. But I knew that the fear was such a low vibration. And so extreme that I knew, even from that perspective, just very objectively, like, wow, this is a major undertaking. And so I asked, Is it even possible to integrate this level of fear? Is it even possible to meet this level of experience? Has it ever been done in all of creation ever? And I remember the guide sharing with me, yes, it has, and you have all time available to you to do so you don’t have to do it right away, there’s no hurry. And I just knew, if it can be done, I will do it. And, you know, it seems so strange to me now, as like the human personality, because I’ve met with great challenges in my life, you know, sometimes I suffer very deeply. But at the time, I just, I knew my strength, you know, and I knew, I just knew my strength, I knew what I could do. And I just was very purposeful, in that I said, if it can be done, I will do it. So they brought me a life that was very, very appropriate for this intention. And I reviewed that life and I accepted that life, and then I accepted the veil for that life. Now, the veil is just a word. I mean, it’s, it’s things are very hard to describe it, it is, I’ll just describe it, because this is the thing that I remember most clearly. And it’s kind of in the forefront of my mind every day because like, it’s almost like I can feel this now. But I felt this incredible drop in vibration of going from a place of all connectedness and all knowing and all freedom down, down, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower. It was like if somebody took an amplifier, and that was producing a pitch like the, and then you turn down the knob, and then you turn and then when it gets the bonding to turn it down some more, more, more, more and then lower and then lower more and you think you’re then you’re done and you turn it down some more like that. That’s how it felt such an incredible like, ridiculously low plummet down down down into the state of being physical. And when I arrived, it felt like a place of darkness and separation, I felt like I had lost all that I am and I immediately responded in fear. I immediately rejected it, I said, I am not doing this. This is so dark. This is so low vibration, I am not going to tolerate this this is not happening. So I mustered my might my strength and I fought my way out. I smoked the veil. And I was successful in doing so. Because I was then on the other side again. And I had a life review. Because I had I had killed the foetus that was to be my body inadvertently by rejecting by pushing myself back out. And I became aware of how my fear had impacted the mother and not only the mother, but hundreds of other people whose journeys would be had been made more difficult because of my fear. In on, I had all these great intentions, like I really had this great intention. But I could see where all my gosh, all I did was heaped difficulty. I gotta do something about this, I could just see very clearly it was like, you know, man, I can’t believe I did that. I mean, but you know, it’s okay. Because on the other side, you know, all as well, there, there is no true problem. It’s just a play, everything’s fine. Everyone’s okay. But I just could see like, oh, man, I had so much respect and love for the other players in the game. And I couldn’t believe that I had heaped the more difficulty on them rather than helping, you know, like I just wanted to be, I wanted to have a positive effect. And I didn’t. And so I knew, and I really had to do something about this fear. So I spent some time practising accepting the veil, in a room, a place that I can only describe as like a veil acceptance simulator. And I know that sounds strange, but I remember being in this place to seemed it was like going to a room with a dark pool, where you get dunked underneath the water, and you see how long you can hold your breath. And if you want, you can cry uncle. And I’ll let you out because it’s just a simulator. It was like that, and I practised that for a while. But I can tell you, the real veil is much more difficult than the simulator. Say that right now. Because, okay, okay, so then they brought me this current life, as Christian. And I reviewed this life, and I knew that this life was good. But it was not as perfectly appropriate as the first one would have been that one was a way more appropriate, perfect match for my intention. This one wasn’t bad. But it was good. It was good. It was okay. And I remember reviewing this life. Okay, so it was like, if it was like I reviewed a flowchart is the only way I can describe it have millions and millions of possibilities of what this life could be or would be like. It was like, if you took a tree and laid it on its side, and you start at the trunk, and like went out to the branches, it was kind of like that, except it was what it would feel like to be me to be Christian at these various ages. And, and but it was not. It was probabilistic, you know, like, there were certain avenues that were high, very likely almost certain, and others that were less likely. But it was very complex millions and millions of paths that I reviewed all within a second, it was was not hard for me to do. So I could review it all at once. And I remember asking certain questions about the life making certain requests, like for instance, I, I knew that it was important that I be male, because I knew that, in this case, having a male energy would help me to face the fear in a certain way, not not has nothing to do with, you know, women being unable to face fear and nothing like that at all. It’s simply that there’s different qualities to the energy of male and female. And something about like even having like an obtuse edge, that would be helpful. By being male. I also asked if I could be intelligent again in this life, because I knew that I had been intelligent in previous experiences, and it was a trait that I preferred. And they said, Yes, I could do that. And I knew that my parents were important, and that they would raise me in a way that would enable me to have the ability to meet this fear, like my father would instil confidence in me. And that would give me a rock to stand on, you know, to be able to face this fear. And I, so I reviewed it all. And I was, I was super excited. And I knew that chief among what would happen is that I would, okay, so I knew that this body has limitations that that other bodies don’t. And that it would make the day to day experience more difficult, actually. And I knew that that difficulty actually was a just yet another opportunity for growth, because that contrast, like all contrast, is actually an opportunity. And I knew that I would very likely experience a trauma in my early 20s That would crush me and give me a chance, an opportunity to re experience this fear. And that did happen. Just jump to that part of the story when I was 22. I had a heat stroke and come to China. And I was in a Chinese hospital for four days and I received a lot of potassium bag after bag after bag of potassium. And I don’t know if it was that potassium that did this or something else I had celiac disease also at the time, so I had autoimmune flare ups occurring but what was important is that I I am I experienced a neurological burning a neurological pain that lasted for weeks and months. And it was agony, it was just agony. And I couldn’t escape it. And this fear that I’m here to face is a vibration of, oh, it’s very hard to explain or describe, but it’s something like being unable to escape pain mixed with being too proud to suffer. And so that was the energy of this event when I was 22. So I had post traumatic stress for a few years. I’m jumping ahead now, but I had post traumatic stress for a few years after this trauma. And I, I processed a huge amount of that through EMDR therapy with therapist, and I met and faced and integrated a lot of this fear. And it was only after I did that, that this memory was able to return I certainly didn’t have any awareness of this at the time. But now it’s helpful. Because now you know, now I know what I’m doing. So when when unexperienced like that arises for me, I know I don’t have to fear I can just face and feel. But anyway, so back to the to the story. I calling it a story. Back to Back to this preparation experience. I I remember there being a moment to saying say yes, and I don’t remember that moment, but I do remember then, being in this waiting area, where I was like, I can only describe it like a waiting room that was high vibration, and all the sudden this guide coming to me and getting my attention, like go now. Like grabbing my attention now right now. Like just kind of like grabbing them by the shoulders, like, like right now don’t wait, you gotta go right now you’re gonna, you know, this is now you’re on Earth time kind of thing. And the next thing I remember is being in this, this place that I can only describe as like a, like a mechanic’s room or a mechanic shop shop. It was a room that had like a big pit in the middle of it is how I what I saw that there were these beings there that I can only describe as tinkerers or technicians. And they did this thing for me where they would they apply the veil to me, but like they made they made the veil appropriate for me. Because this, it’s like the soul has certain rich, complex energetic qualities. And the life and the body and the context have something going on. And they do this thing where they like, I don’t really make it all fit. And they get naked, organic, and, and personal. And so I remember being in this room over this pit, and them asking me one last time, are you sure? Are you sure you want to do this? Because once you say yes, here, this is it, you’re strapped in, you’re in for the ride. And I remember saying yes. And then the veil coming over me again and my vibration plummeting, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, and all my knowing being cut off, and all of my connectedness disappearing and everything that I was feeling like it was vanishing. And I remember coming all the way down into this dense bodily experience. And, and then basically just try not to fight it this time. Because I didn’t want this the previous time, like I had done previously where I rejected it, I didn’t want to repeat that. So I focused on simply surrendering and allowing my allowing the veil to have power over me. And okay, so then I was here, and I sent one little message back to the technicians did it take, like, you know, did the veil take and getting one message back? Yes. And so I knew that I had made it and I was very excited that I made it. Okay, so then I was here for a while. And then after a while I said, You know what, I’m not doing this does not happen and this is so dark. This is such low vibration, what I cannot believe this, the low the low vibration of the state. So once again, I began to muster my might to find my way out. And as I did that, in the most holy moment in my human journey happen. The great spirit of what I can only describe as God the I Am Presence of the universe came to me. And it said to me in a way that was so deep and personal and that in the depths of my being. I can’t even describe even words that showed me what I really was it show me the universe. It showed me all of creation and I felt the bliss of being that I was I felt the churning of our sun. And how as it turned, it was just full of this like raging bliss of of joy. And I felt all of that in the in the voice said to me This is still what you are, you can never not be this. And that memory is the most precious and holy moment for me. Because that is what we all are, you know, that is our true nature is that Unlimited, perfectly connected on just free, joyful, powerful, so powerful spirit that we are. And in this case, that reminded me enough that I survived, like go I surrendered. I was like, oh, oh, that’s what I am. That’s wonderful. Okay. So I let go into the simple existence of being in the womb. And the next memory I have is of the day I was born, I remember the shock of being born the the sense data, just lots of, you know, Sight Sound touching cold. I remember, like being super confused and curious, that having no intellectual understanding at all what was going on? I remember looking at the beings that were there in the room taking care of me and feeling love for them, like the nurses and just feeling like oh, my gosh, who are these beings that are taking care of me? What is going on? Like, just big, so intensely curious. And that seems, it seems like so long ago to me now, you know, felt just so long ago, even though I’m 41 years, it seems like 1000s of years ago that I experienced that. So then, as I aged, I just say that I remember I had I had portions of this memory, especially the flowchart memory. And I remember being a young child and like cheating a little bit, and like peeking in, and just to see what was going to happen, like, well, what’s gonna happen tomorrow, to try on real simple things like, where are we going to go? Or who’s gonna come over? And just trying to peek just because I was curious. And I wanted to know, but that ability, you know, diminished and left me as I got older, especially by the ages of five or six, I would say. So that’s a that’s a brief summary. Again, these things are very, very difficult to describe. I feel like every time I share the experience, I know I’m repeating many of the same words. I don’t know how else to say it. And it’s just too big for language. Yeah,
I appreciate it. Thank you for sharing now. You it’s about 10 different directions I could have gone in and from what you’ve just said,
That’s okay, though. That’s okay. The first question, I guess to, to bring it into the physical aspect of us, is, what did you do? When you started remembering? What do you do is an experience like that? Because you still have to get up, pay the bills, go to work? And yeah, and actually process that kind of information? And you know, did you did you find yourself feeling free all of a sudden? Or did you find yourself feeling terrified? Thing is shit? Is anyone ever think about lost the plot? Like, where were you yesterday?
And like I said, I didn’t share it. First. It was definitely closet keeping the closet experience for seven or eight years?
Because seven or eight years?
I mean, yeah, because I was at work, I had been a working professional most of my life. And that’s the kind of thing you don’t really don’t really share if you’re working professional. No, but it did feel very freeing. very freeing. And it was also very, like, I just want to Okay, so as I end, it wasn’t just the memories, it was that more importantly, it was that I was having experienced it. Like, everybody, I think everybody is very interested in hearing that story. But I don’t, I don’t actually think it’s very important. I think what’s much more important is the focus on what we’re doing here and to help remind each other what we really are, and of the love and the joy of our true nature. And, and remind each other of how important it is to face our own fear and ego and overcome it. You know, and to heal and to bring joy into the world. I mean, that that’s what’s important to me. So. So really what my focus initially it was on, I mean, it was on as like, I was discovering things I was having out of body experiences. And I was like, Oh my gosh, people need to know about this. So my initial instinct was like, I just need to tell people somehow, and I remember having this very silly idea, actually, the sense of ridiculous, I mean, now that I think about it, but I actually said out loud to my wife, at least at least consider this for five minutes. I said, Maybe I should create flyers and put them in people’s mailboxes and tell them that they’re non physical beings just having a human experience. And my wife is like, you’re gonna be that guy, if you do that. And I’m like, Yeah, I am gonna do that guy. What am I thinking? I can’t do that. That’s crazy. You know, so I still but I still kept my mouth shut, you know. But I began to write. I felt spirit come to me over the years and basically like, Oh, help me to bring light language to my own awakening process as I went through it, and I wrote a blog and the blog, I knew from the beginning would eventually become a book. And the book is now out. It’s available for free on my website, a walk into physical calm. I’m just mentioning that in case it’s helpful to somebody, I it’s not about the money. It you know, so I wrote, I wrote these blog posts, knowing that they were part of a bigger framework, and they put them into a larger framework to try to speak to what are we doing here? You know, what is this? What is this human experience in the physical, you know, what, what is going on, you know, within the bigger context. And it’s very difficult to put that into language. And it’s very difficult to speak to the nature of consciousness, in language, because it transcends all form all language. But I felt very much motivated to do that. And so now that the book is out, I feel deeply happy that it is I feel, it’s my life’s work, actually, that now that it’s out, I feel like if I were to pass tomorrow, I would be happy. And I feel like I can actually kind of walk away take a step away from enough I need to, that’s fine. It’s off on its own. I just needed to make it available. See, that was my initial reaction. But yeah, it’s it’s very shocking and eye opening, when you have these kinds of experiences, they’re not subtle. It’s like, it can’t help but look at life differently. My old belief systems were deeply challenged. You know, I was raised with a certain belief system that I had to drastically maybe modify is not the right word, you know, tear down and re establish? Because it just wasn’t, it wasn’t as accurate as it could be. And I took a lot of humility, actually, and courage for me to do that. And to admit all that I didn’t know. So yeah, that was a big that was a big change. Big process.
Yeah. Wow. You mentioned fear many times, sharing your story and, and looking to work on these challenges and overcoming How could you still because obviously, there’s a lot of fear going on, right now in the world, right like this? Is? You know, I’ve certainly been gripped by fear in the past that can stop me moving forward into different aspects of my life. What have you learned about fear? What is the purpose of fear? And how do we then work with fear? Yeah, on the soul,
it’s not that it’s not that fear is not that fear is a substance that we have to work with. It’s, it’s simply that Okay, so the truth of what we are is love and joy and, and excitement and creativity and freedom, that is the nature of consciousness itself. Its native nature is love. Fear is an artefact that we experience when we lose ourselves in a place where we are not the hole anymore. So when we don’t know the totality of what we are, and we buy into perceptions, like I mentioned before, that are not in alignment with the truth, that provokes fear. But that’s because now there’s a big problem, you know, now that we feel separate, we feel like we don’t have our power, we don’t have access to our own knowledge. I mean, gosh, look at this, look at what’s possible in this world, we, we naturally respond in fear. And then the ego is the part of us that rises up and tries to fix the problem and help somehow, by, you know, buying into beliefs or self justification, or still all the stories, whatever stories I can to avoid facing my fear, because man, I don’t want to face that fear. The fear can be very, very, very deep and dark. But I like to call fear simply yet uninvolved in this it’s not a substance that has true power or something. It’s just that is a signpost to us that we have an area that we have not yet fully integrated, and experience a condition or a context that we have not yet fully integrated. I’ll use a simple example that I mentioned in the book, because I think, you know, it’s it’s simple, and it’s crude, but I think it kind of helps. So when my father was a boy, a young child, he was terrified of his closet in his room. And he laid in his bed every night, and he just laid there terrified of what was in the closet. He imagined all these monsters and scary things in the closet and he couldn’t sleep. And after dealing with this for dozens of times, maybe month, one night, he said screw this whatever’s in that closet can’t be worse than me laying here being scared of it. So he jumped out of bed, went into the closet and sat in on the ground in the back of his closet, and he was totally terrified. And he waited for the monsters to eat him. And nothing happened. No Monsters ate him and And He then saw there was nothing to fear. There was nothing in the closet, there was no, there were no monsters. So now, as you can rightly guess my father is no longer afraid of closets. As an adult, he can lay in bed and look at a closet in the dark and feel no fear. So I know that’s a simple example. But all the rich context of our life that seems so daunting are not that dissimilar, they may be different in scope, or intensity. But they are similar and that underneath it all, there is nothing to fear, the love and the joy of what we are is the root of all of our experience. And so as we integrate the experiences that we have rejected in the past, as we allow our process them and allow ourselves to fully come to terms with them, and feel everything that arises out of them, and really, really processed it. After the the the monster in the closet has its way with us, it will go. And what’s left is the joy of our being the love and joy that we always were. But now it can rise up and shine more fully, because it’s not hindered by this, you know, this illusion of fear any longer. Now, I’m not making light of fear. I mean, I’ve dealt with huge amounts of fear in my life, that’s what I’m here to do. I mean, I’m pushing the boundaries in a certain direction, you know, in a certain way, so I’m not making light of how deep and powerful fear can feel. I’m just, I just want to draw attention to the fact that it is not like, it’s not like some opposite, that we have to strive against. No, it is only an it’s an opportunity. It shows us that there’s something about our experience that we haven’t yet fully come to terms with, it invites us actually to go integrate that go see go into the closet, process it, see what you really are. Because after we do that there’s a profound expansion of what we are an expansion of being an expansion of love and joy.
How would you summarise then our purpose of being you, then in relation to what you just said, as well, because obviously, there’s a clear part of us being here. And also that there is a veil, and almost like a disconnection from source.
It’s not, we’re not we’re not actually disconnected. Yeah.
We all feel that way. Because, yeah,
apparent, it’s an apparent separation. Oh, yeah, actually, it’s an extremely, an extremely separate feeling. This is the most, if you take us if we make a spectrum, you know, we’re like, super far out on the spectrum right now what how separate we feel. And that’s unusual. But anyway, so to your question. So, okay, the purpose, if we had to summarise at a very high level, but I feel the best way to put it is the purpose of this physical universe is to participate in the expansion of love and joy, which is the process of evolution through choice making in this rich context. So we have this rich context of duality, and we get to make choices everyday wield intent, we get to use intent, intention. And the intent is the most important thing. And the choices happened from intent. You know, it feels like our choices what we’re intending, like, you know, but really intent, what I mean is the real, why the real deepest, why we’re making the choices, we’re making that that’s, that’s what I’m talking about, we get to then experience exactly what it’s like to live life with that deepest why? How does life respond to us? How the people around us responds, how does our biology respond to that is society? You know, whatever, how do our own thought, what thoughts arise? There’s so it’s such a rich context, you know, what beliefs do we buy into? And then how do we experience the reality based on those beliefs? You know, we, the physical universe is like, a mirror, a giant mirror that allows us to see exactly what we believe, and what we intend, you know, and so, so we’re having a very true experience to, you know, to who we really are, when we’re this constrained, you know, and this is a super, super, super constraining experience. I can’t stress that enough. It’s not that it’s not that we’re Yes, we have a lot of fear, we have a long way to go. It’s not that we are not powerful beings, it’s that we’ve signed up for a very, very challenging game of being human and the richness of this context and this contrast permits a very precious and valuable expansion of being an expansion of love and joy. So we’re here to actualize love and grow towards love. That’s the That’s the simplest way to put it.
Then do you feel or think that people like yourself have had these experiences these memories had the opportunity to have these realisations of who we truly are. And other people haven’t got the, you know, okay,
well, why? So first of all, I’m not I’m not special at all. It’s just that. Okay, so first of all, we are totally permitted to do whatever we’d like with this playground. There’s no, there’s no real rule that says you can’t remember. It’s just that there’s a ridiculous vibrational distance between there and here. And so the veil is actually very additive, because it allows the development of a an independent portion of the self and independent personality that can grow on its own without past memory influence. But it’s still the same person, it’s still the same eye that’s operating to that character. And that’s very helpful. Now, I’m still very much veiled. I’m very thankful that I am. I mean, it sounds like I shared a lot, but to me, I can, it’s just the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest little tip of the iceberg. And I’m super veiled. And I’m thankful that I am. veiling is very much necessary in a way because well, there’s a few reasons. One of which is it protects us from homesickness, because we will be so homesick if we remembered the, you know, the totality of what we are, and where we come from, that we wouldn’t be able to focus here. And it also helps us to focus in a very practical way, you know, because if you had full conscious access to the rest of your being into other reality systems, you wouldn’t very well get a you know, be able to get up and go to work, you know, eat your cereal, you know, put gas in the car, that kind of thing. And it also allows us to be deeply this is important is that the veil allows us to be deeply, deeply this human character, like, our earth is where you can come if you want to come and be the human, like all the way man, then this is what this is how we do it. We ever, you know, this deep of a veil allows us to be completely like, if you want to have the perspective of being the human. This is what you got to do. You got to be the human all the way. And then later, of course, you will remember all of the rest of what you are as well. But wow, what an experience to be able to operate from such a deeply convincing, you know, human vantage point. That’s a That’s a powerful opportunity.
Yeah, for sure. It makes me consider as well in this work, that it can be very easy to be chasing, getting beyond the veil, and then using that to avoid those very things that we need. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it’s funny you say that, because when I first started having these experiences, I, I definitely felt that like, oh, my gosh, all I want to do now is God a body. Yeah, that’s not what we’re here to do. So I have felt very intuitively guided back to the physical. And actually, I’ve practised at during certain times, I practice less meditation, because I feel it’s helpful to like, get deeper into the, you know, the human character, like to lose myself again, actually, into the story of Christian, which isn’t really who I am. But, but to lose myself in the story can be helpful, because there’s opportunity, there’s so much opportunity or like we come here for a purpose. So it’s, it is so precious to be able to use, yes, this human experience in front of us right now, while it’s here. It’s not a big mistake, it’s a huge opportunity. In fact, being human is like such a precious gift. It’s so precious. It’s such a valuable sought after opportunity. So and I don’t know, here you are, you know, here you are today, we get to use this day. However we wish. That’s an incredible opportunity. Yeah, the opportunity is here with how we meet our lives right now, in the small things, the simplest things, you know, it doesn’t have to be a huge complex endeavour, like, just how do you respond to the person next to you today? How do you brush your teeth? What’s your relationship with, you know, the your pet, that whatever, you know, whatever small way, that is the powerful stuff. As humans, we tend to get really lost in the human content drama. We think a lot about how are the props on the stage arranged today. You know, we get really upset about how the props are arranged. But we don’t need to worry about that. What we need to do is simply meet our own experience the very best we can bring love into our own lives into our own experience in whatever small way we can meet our own fear. That is a part of of the great solution. It’s very, it’s very powerful. So I went on a tangent there, but that’s what your comment reminded me of. The value of here.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And what one of the The benefits then of being here, as a vitamin, just stay in the non physical, if it’s so full of love, and it’s so great. And, you know, we’re, we’re in this place. Why even? Why do we? Why come here, then?
Yeah, so there’s a type of evolution expansion, that is only possible out. I don’t want to limit it, there’s a type of evolution and expansion possible on Earth. That is very unique. I’ll put it that way. And, and basically not possible, unless we’re under this level of constraints. So I’ll just use a metaphor that I like for this, you know, if you’re sitting on your living room couch, and you’re watching TV, and you’re nice and comfortable, and you’ve got full access to the snacks, you know, everything’s great. Why would you ever get up and go for a run? Like, why would you do that? Why would you get up and put your body under stress? Well, because when you get back, you’re stronger. And now when you sit on the couch, you can actually enjoy it in a way that you couldn’t even before. Because now you know what it’s like to have gone for a run. So, Earth is a very high contrast, potentially high contrast, it’s all it has a lot of potential for very high contrast, simulation, you know, a place that we can come and experience potentially very high contrast for the purposes of growth, expansion, personal expansion and expansion of all it is we’re actually participating in a, in a collective expansion as well. And, and we’re very creative and curious beings. So we do it. You know, we’re, and we know our true immortal nature, we know we can’t truly be harmed. So, you know, why not? I mean, here’s another metaphor that might be helpful, you know, why would you watch a scary movie, when you invite scary? Well, you can’t really be hurt, but it can. It’s kind of a neat experience. I mean, I don’t I personally don’t like scary movies. But I’m just saying, it’s the ability to have an experience that can, you know, stimulate you in a way that otherwise you wouldn’t be able to experience being human is kind of like that, like, we come to a place where we can actually experience being scared or being harmed or, you know, having to make decisions and relationships, oh, my gosh, all the complexity of relationships, and so many opportunities, such a rich, beautiful context, to do that here in a place where we don’t have full conscious access. And we have to deal with what’s just in front of us. And with the feedback we’re getting. That’s a very rich context through which we can actually grow towards love actually actualize and actually bring love into a real cause. It’s one thing to, you might say, like, another metaphor is, you know, you can go to school, and you can read about how to repair cars, in books, all you want. But until you get underneath the car, and get your hands dirty, you know, you don’t really know how to fix a car. So it’s a little bit like that with actualizing love and different virtue, or you can say virtues. And in context, being human is a, an incredible context through which to develop that ability. Because it’s high contrast.
Yeah, no, it makes sense. Makes sense. I always kind of think of it like, we’re nerve ending to consciousness. And we’re here and we’re having that experience, but at the same time, we’re actually putting information back and contribute into the larger source. Even though we
That’s nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the human personality as a nerve ending. And I also like that, because the human personality portion of us is such a small portion of the whole. You know, we think this is all we are, but the VI that is knowing the human experience is much bigger. So I like that metaphor for
incredible. Yeah. Look, I’m I can’t believe we’ve nearly chews through an hour already. Unbelievable. It’s been a fascinating conversation, and I’ve got probably another 20 questions for you. But you might have to come back on the show at some stage if that’s alright.
But the wonderful thing I love
I’d love to ask you a couple of questions just every week as well. And, and one is what is your morning routine look like? Are you do you get up and meditate every morning? Have you got like this complete ritual or are you just like, just enjoy get entrenched in the ego. What do you what do you do?
Yeah, that’s a good question. Well, for me, I yeah, my meditations are usually in the evening. I do try to make that a routine. When I’m a morning person, so I like getting up early. So as soon as I get up, I like to be productive. My wife is the opposite. But I like being productive five minutes after I’m awake. So I have two young children. I usually make them lunches and help get get them on school buses. Right now I’m in between In jobs, but typically I’m working and so of course, I go to work. But you know, it’s like the routine that we have. Okay, so I’ll say that it is important to have a routine because we need to set aside time in our lives. Because otherwise we can get so wrapped up in the thinking and in the story all the time, I find that having a meditation time every day is very valuable. Even if I feel that I can’t really meditate that day, that’s fine. I still put aside the time, allow myself to arrive to it, however, however I can. And then as we go through the day, I find that it’s very valuable throughout the day, this isn’t really a routine, but it’s just something I find that I’m constantly recognising is the importance of mindfulness. And even simple activities. Like in the morning, when I’m making a lunch, or in the middle of the day, whatever I’m doing just being fully present with it, just experiencing it. There’s a lot to be said for that as well. So that’s not a specific routine that maybe worth mentioning.
Yeah, no, perfect. Thank you. And have there been any mentors or books that have influenced your journey from when you start having these memories?
Yeah, absolutely. I can think of, I can think of three sources that I would say are, I don’t know if I can. I use the word mentor loosely, but three sources that have been very helpful for me. One is Tom Campbell, the physicist in consciousness explorer that I mentioned before I read his My Big TOE trilogy over two years with a pen in hand. That was early in my awakening process that kind of kicked me down this path. And really, the most important thing Tom recommended was meditation. And he gave a meditation exercise, which I basically still use to this day, and I reiterated in slightly different format in my own book.
that was very helpful. I’ve had Dan the other.
I’ve had him on the show twice. Actually. Sorry. I’ve had Tom on the show last night.
Tom’s amazing. I love Tom so much. I’ve never physically met him, but I look forward to whether physically or non physically giving him a huge hug someday. I’m very grateful to him. Okay, so the other two sources, I’ll mention one. The second is these are actually both channelled sources, and I’m usually very sceptical and hesitant about channelled sources. There, there. There’s a lot of difference in quality. But I’ll just mention two that I have found to be a wonderful one is silverbirch, who is a channel to guide in the 1930s through a man named Maurice Barbanell. In the UK, very hard to find in the United States. I had to order my books from Britain, but his language and articulate and this is just breathtakingly beautiful. I, I read silverbirch to my wife, sometimes at night, we’re going to sleep, you know, just try to like just even if it’s just a paragraph, just like kind of bring it out. That’s been very helpful for me. Not that it’s like comprehensive information, but it’s just so beautiful. And I feel the energy, I feel energy, sometimes I feel the energy of the author. And that alone, just the energy is like a like a signpost or something, it helps me. And lastly, I’ll say Seth speaks the Seth speaks series by Jane Roberts, Seth was channelled in the 1970s by a woman named Jane Roberts in New York, you’re in the USA. His main book is the eternal validity of the soul. Seth tends to focus on the eye on the topic of how our beliefs create our reality. That’s his main focus. But I still have appreciated a lot of the content and several of his books. He’s pretty repetitive. But I found that that repetition was very helpful and necessary. For me. It’s just important for it because we have such deep assumptions for about how reality works. And sometimes we have to hear something a couple 100 times before we really go Wait, is it possible? Could it really be? So I know sets work is a little bit like that for me. But I again, I love the energy and I love that you know, the content he brings for
the Great, thank you and make sure they’re all in the show notes below this podcast for anyone that’s listening to this right now. That’s gonna check out that as well. Yeah. And last question, Christian. Just to wrap it up today. Like with everything we’ve covered, which has been a lot. Is there anything you’d like to leave the listeners to ponder on?
Yes. Yeah, I think the most important thing I can share today is whoever you are listening. Please be reminded. You’re not just a human. You’re not just the human character. You’re not the human. You’re not just your story, your you, your your spirit, your consciousness itself that is knowing this human experience and there is nothing in it that you ultimately need to fear. You are a being of love and joy and peace and freedom and creativity. That’s, that’s what you are. And I really hope that you can feel that at least a tiny little bit, feel deep within let go of your own story for just a minute, let go of the stresses and the anxieties and the must dues and the must bees. And just allow yourself to know, like, let it rise up in a way that’s beneath the conditioned thinking mind and feel who you are. Because that’s, that’s really, that’s really who you are, or not just this human character. So I hope that can be freeing. To someone who might be listening today. I know, I know, we get lost in the stories quite easily. I get lost in my story, very commonly. So I know, I know how easy it is for that to happen.
Yes, but stories are also very powerful. And they’re a great way in to create more curiosity to then begin to start practice and embody this work. So yes, I love it. It’s interesting. Where, where can I send everyone to? If they want to grab a copy of your book, when I get on a new to do a newsletter? Is that people? Yeah, where can they send everyone? Wonderful? Yeah, you
can visit my website, my website is www dot a walk in the physical.com. I have a book page there with links to the book on Amazon. And the third link down on that page is to the free version, which is on Google Books, anybody can read it for free. I can also be reached at a walk in the firstname.lastname@example.org. If you’d like to email me, and I’m happy to talk to anybody I can. There’s been a lot of emails lately. I’ll do my best. I am happy to talk to everybody that I can.
Well, you were very punctual with me as well, Christian. So I appreciate it. You know, you know, it. After doing 190 interviews, I’ve seen it all in the way people’s organisation skills are there, and you are fantastic made. So I appreciate it. Look, Christian, thanks for all that you do. Thank you for I would say having the courage to step out and share your message with the world because it’s very powerful. It’s certainly got me pondering on a lot of many things. And I just love being open to explore have a platform like this where I can have people like yourself on and have these conversations, and then share them with others as well. So it’s been a great privilege for me today to have you on and you share so honestly and openly from the heart, Christian. So thank you for all that
you, brother. Thank you for all you do. Thank you for the choices you made to get here because you had to make many personal, difficult decisions to be at this point where you’re sharing this information and you’re sharing all your guests. I mean, you made sacrifices so thank you for your valuable choices as well.
Much appreciated. Thank you. Yeah,