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Suraj:
I sat before that volcano, that’s where I was going for my council, and she said to me, get used to this. The whole planet is gonna be moving. You’re gonna be forced to find out who you are because the rest is an illusion. This is a collective awakening. Now, this isn’t like a Buddha here and a Buddha there, and a Christ here, and a Mother Theresa there, whoever you relate to as a guru. It’s, we’re all going through it now, so we are in those prophecies now for the collapse of one world to another.

Guy:
Guy here. Welcome to my Let It In Podcast, and I welcome back the beautiful Suraj Holzwarth White Eagle Medicine woman. This podcast is incredible. We get into the. Conversation about what the hell is going on in the world or the collapsing of the old world, and ultimately the remembrance of who we truly are.

It’s fascinating conversation. It goes deep and it’s very heartfelt and beautiful. You could probably dissect this into two parts of the conversation. And we also get into, um, a methodology she’s been studying for seven years, uh, that she wants to bring to the world as well, which. It is amazing. It’s just, I hope you watch the whole thing.

It’s powerful. If you’re listening to this on YouTube, be sure to let me know your thoughts and the comments by hitting the subscribe, share a like, or sharing this with a loved one, a friend. This continues to help get these conversations out there, and it’s a way of supporting, uh, me on the channel as well.

And of course let me know where you are in the world. As always, I’m moving around the country, moving around the world with our retreats and our events. There’s links below in the show notes. Yes, we will be in, uh, Tasmania. Yes, we will be in New Zealand. Yes, we are coming to Croatia and yes, uh, we’ve got a retreat in Australia in September as well. ’cause our June one, uh, has sold out. Anyway, for the time this goes live, I’ve talked enough. Enjoy this podcast, much love from me and I’ll see you soon.

Guy:
Raj, welcome back to the podcast. My lovely, it is so wonderful to have you back on the show.

Suraj:
It’s good to talk from Alaska to down under.

Guy:
I know, I know. And you know, I get goosebumps every time I think about Alaska. I don’t know why. I’ve never been, and I think I might have even mentioned this last time, but I just, that, that air, the mountain range, the greenery, the oceans, the lakes or whatever, I just like, whoa, it, it sparked something in me I, I have to follow that.

Suraj:
You have to follow it bro. You said it last time and I have the perfect thing at the end of the summer for you. And we live, we live, uh, you know, at the ocean we see all the glaciers from here. We the highest building in Homer, so you can all wild up here. So.

Guy:
I, I love it. I love it. I could just see me in a big beanie and a big wooly, um, cardigan or something, you know, and, and just sipping hot cocoa. It’d be wonderful. and anyway, I I wanna ask you like a dude, ’cause many people won’t be aware, uh, aware of you, and I want to introduce you to more listeners, and that is, you were at the intimate dinner party right now and somebody asks you, what do you do for a living? Um, what are your passions? How would you answer?

Suraj:
Um, I’m a bumblebee. I’m a little bee that that hovers around and pollinates all different, uh, projects and consciousness and, um, with people, with land, with whatever needs pollinating. And I love the honey. You know, it’s the sweetness that I feel when I’m creating that pollen, you know, and going around and. Yeah, that’s my medicine. Um, medicine woman, teacher healer, um, musician, artist,

Guy:
It is beautiful.

Suraj:
friend.

Guy:
I, I am doing my very best to, to spread the pollen, if you like, on the

Suraj:
Yeah.

Guy:
through my own being and through the podcast and through the work we facilitate here in Australia and around the world. And I, I, we had a, you know, nearly 15 minute conversation off air about where the world is at at this moment in time. I would love to get your thoughts upon it on what comes forward to you. Because there are many people saying, we are going into oblivion. There are many people saying we are going into a higher realms of consciousness, that the frequencies are shifting on. This planet is forcing us to look at ourselves. What do you feel, uh, we are at? And where is this going? I don’t wanna throw you with too many questions, but what then, what can we actually start doing about it?

Suraj:
Okay, so we are in both. The world we know is collapsing. So that is true. And why it’s collapsing is it’s because it’s not real. In our inner world, it’s our projection. So we have to get in touch with who we are in this process and not what’s happening. It’s, it’s, it’s a childbirth. Let’s just say it’s a birth, right?

You’re in that birth canal and the, the walls are being squeezed. It’s dark, it’s uncomfortable. You were in a warm, cuddly womb and now you’re being Mm, mm mm Constantly. I was just in front of Pele, uh, AYA, the goddess of the volcano on the Hawaiian Islands. Um, we’ve had 20 as of today, 20 eruptions of the volcano since the beginning of the year.

And I sat before her. Every single one I could get up there for. And the last one I was up there for 16, was 1500 feet in the air. Okay. Standing in front of that fire. And she said to me over and over in my time up there in my meditations, that this is what we have to get used to grounding to liquid fire.

She said, grounding to liquid fire. And you know, you think about childbirth and the moment a baby’s head crowns, they call the ring of fire, I. And isn’t that interesting that GE Geologic Ring of Fire is also that called that? So, and the Grands said over a decade ago when we were touring the world in Australia, everywhere, kind of not warning people, but getting people prepared that this ring of fire was gonna go and, and we were gonna go through that birth canal.

Grandmothers said it over and over again. They were grandmothers of the new Millennium midwives at the Ring of Fire. And now we’ve got all the volcanoes moving and shaking and everything’s happening. Biblical prophecies talk about it too. So we are in those prophecies now for the collapse of one world to another.

And that is important. Do you say, when a woman’s giving birth, and of course if you landed here from another planet, you’d say, oh my God, what’s going on in this hospital room? I mean, this is awful. This woman’s screaming her head off. We don’t know that the greatest miracle was about to begin birthing life. And we are in that birth canal and we feel uncomfortable in it, but it is exactly, uh, where we need to go. And what’s pulling us through is only one thing, our light.

And if you don’t know who you are, then you are gonna find out. In these times, you are gonna be forced to find out who you are because the rest is an illusion. This is the only thing you’ve got. And it’s going to take the outer world because now we’ve got false facts constantly. The the Facebook, it’s just continuous made up stories. How are we gonna know how to navigate? Who are we gonna trust? Our relationship with the divine.

That’s the only thing we’ve got. It’s a crucifixion. You know, if you’re a Christian, you’re getting crucified along with Christ. And what did he do? He woke up, he got laid in that tomb, and three days later he woke up and transcended it. And this is a collective, uh, awakening. Now, this isn’t like, oh, a Buddha here and a Buddha there, and a Christ here, and a Mother Teresa there, or whatever. You, whoever you relate to as a guru. It’s, we’re all going through it now.

Guy:
Do you feel it’s accelerating this,

Suraj:
Absolutely.

Guy:
this waking? And what do you feel? Because I, I, I’m fascinated by, by this topic as well, because I. know, we are not encouraged to be connected to the land and connected to nature and connected to the divine authentically. I feel, I know I certainly was raised with no kind of guiding principles around these things and had to go and my own pain of birthing, discover them myself.

And, which I’m very grateful for now because it, it really allows me to lean into the beauty and the peace and the gratitude that I have in life because I, I’ve felt the other, the opposite emotions to them for such a period of time. But I, if it’s accelerating. How do we, how do we kind of, where, where’s it gonna, I’m trying to think of the right question for this, because I see many people suffering.

Many people are in trauma, they don’t even know they’re in trauma. So then they’re put in a very different lens and you can, like you said, you can find a narrative to, to meet your emotion because there’s so much information out there. And then, and then continue to feed that emotion through that narrative that you choose to find. And it becomes your reality. What’s it going

Suraj:
Oh, so well said brother. So well said. So you gotta choose. We’ve gotta choose the narrative. Yeah.

Guy:
So we gotta choose the narrative. So how do we, how do, are we all gonna end up there? Do you think, like the world is gonna split? Do you think that we, we are able to live harmoniously in this beautiful, peaceful life while others are in pain? Or do you think the whole world’s gonna go there? Like how do you kind of see this narrative moving towards.

Suraj:
I do feel that, you know, no one is special and no one is, is, um, privileged in this. Yeah, it’s, it’s an initiation. I, I spoke about this last time we were on the thing. Our native people don’t say, I’m a victim of this big story. No, I’m an initiate. I’m being initiated. And it’s taking me to another quantum level of my capacity, of my courage, of my narrative. You’re getting to have it. It’s, you know, I, I mentioned here, you put your finger in the socket, it’s at one 10, you know, you’re gonna get a little zing. But in Australia it’s two 40. You’re gonna, if you don’t work with that energy and the frequency is going up. So, so the, um, you know, the, the, the circle between intention and manifestation is so quick.

So you do manifest the collective reality that you wanna put your attention on. And there’s so much media helping to feed that narrative for you. You know, our elders say you want a connection with the earth, just go out and put your hand in a river or go, you know, lay with a tree for a while. I get my direction from the earth.

I sat before that volcano, that’s where I was going for my council. And she said to me, get used to this, you the, the whole planet is gonna be moving. People are gonna be migrating. The, the plates are moving, get used to it. It’s not gonna settle into the new earth or whatever you vision that to be for a while.

Get used to change and movement and that takes the identity and has to ’cause everything’s changing. Oh, I wanna attach to that. No, I wanna attach to that. And it keeps changing. It’s very difficult ’cause we’re attachment oriented instead of bringing the energy back inward and watching the movie. Being a witness, which is at the root of all Eastern spirituality, many Spiritualities is being able to be seeing our lives as that movie and knowing that we are not what we’re identifying with.

And I didn’t have this happen to me easily. You know, that I, I shared that last time my daughter died. I’m only three years out. I’m in a, in, you know, over the top initiation and without my ability to communicate across the veil, which we all can communicate with all life. It isn’t a specialized person, oh, you’re a shaman, or, or you grew up in that.

We are your mother nature’s son. I’m mother Nature’s daughter. We are here as children of the son. As we’ve been called in many indigenous cultures, children of the Sun, we have always had guidance. We’ve always had communication with all life. And there’s one truth that goes through every spiritual text.

Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find. Knock and shall be open to you. So you, it’s your birthright to know. But I don’t mean knowledge and facts out there. I mean knowing deep in our, knowing, our gut knows the salmon knows how to go up the river. The birds can all fly in unison together without any com like talking.

Mention that like we’d be bumping into each other that that harmony. We just need to sit with that within ourselves, and we’re just da, da da da da on those phones, right? We’re just engaged in the, in the matrix of it all instead of going inward. And I think if you haven’t experienced your light and you go, oh, that’s all nice in philosophy, but I don’t know that from my core, then make that your intent to call that in. You can’t make that happen, but you can call it in. And this very well may be the initiation. You called in then I called in. Would I ever think that I called in my daughter to pass?

That’s out of my mind. I. Spiritually. I almost died in 2019. I had 21 days in the hospital and uh, several surgeries. I didn’t really die that day. My ego never completely died through that experience. But when my daughter died, I died. Everything. That was my ego and my story of who I am in the world and what I’m doing and where I live, and my culture incinerated. Is that bad or is that good? In the beginning, it was all bad

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
until I could figure out what I was being asked in this initiation, why did I call this initiation into myself? My communion with my daughter across the veil helped me to start to understand and go and, and ask for that and say, okay, take me, take me. And then I shared with you last year, I had a year and a half later, I had an awakening. Took me a year and a half to die. Like just everything. My mission. I, you know, I was so on purpose. I toured the world with such intent. You ask anybody who I am, they’re like, she’s a force. She is, knows what she’s doing here. She’s got her sacred purpose and, and everything was incinerated.

And to participate in the dream without attachment to it is what we’re being asked to know ourselves. And yes, you can say it’s horrible out there. It’s horrible. We may be replaced by AI and it’s on and on and on and on. We could go on. We don’t yet know that we might break out of the egg, the egg of our illusion. And you know, humans do need a little bit of encouragement to do so. And you know, you look at all the greats that you identify as God or close to God, whether it’s Jesus who literally had to be crucified. Um, if you know the story of Amachi. Horrific story. Like, uh, Gandhi, any of them, you know, it wasn’t such an easy path to get there.

And now it’s, we’re all in the story. You know, we all said, well, we loved these gurus. Like, how do I be like that? How do I, how do I embody that? Well, guess what? Everything else has to be taken away that isn’t real. And then once it is, you can have it back if you’d like. It’s strong. But where we’re going, it’s bliss.

Guy:
There

Suraj:
what we’re going.

Guy:
there is so much in what you just shared then honestly. And I’m even reflecting on my own patterns and behaviors and thoughts around the ego and the drive and the intent. Like, you know, when you say you, you were purpose driven. You, you were out there, you’re, you’re creating change, you’re doing all these wonderful things to, to support a fellow human and help them reconnect, to see them, their true selves. And yet everything is then disintegrated and taken away. And it’s like, holy moly. You know? And like, why, why is the initiation into true surrender? Like, why do you think we come into, it’s like, it’s almost like we’ve gotta explore the physical realm, the 3D materialistic much as we can before we realize it’s never really gonna serve us or fulfill us. then the other half of the journey is back home to ourselves. And so we don’t feel separate, but one with the divine. That we are divine. Like why, why, why is this journey, the journey? You know what I mean? And,

Suraj:
Oh wow.

Guy:
we’re all going through it.

Suraj:
Forgiveness. That’s all we’re here for. Yeah. Forgiveness, you know, it’s big work, you know, so the movie is going and it’s so real to us because we have karma to clear. We have things that we believe we have to clear. And so everything that we see, I mean this is Ho Po now from the Hawaiian Huna. Everything we see, you know, the mantra is, I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you. Right? That’s the mantra of ho. So it’s like, I’m sorry for misinterpreting what I’m seeing.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
Please forgive me for not being aware. Thank you for making me aware. I love you. And that’s like. That’s the crescendo, right? It’s like when Christ said, forgive them, they don’t know what they’re doing while he is hanging on the cross. That was the moment he came awakened. Can you forgive the person that’s, you know, hammering your hand at that moment? And to me, that’s when the illusion, the movie drops away.

And we’re here to clear whatever stories that we’re looking at. Oh, it’s doomsday. Oh, that Republican, oh, that Democrat, whatever. We’re here to clear that because then the focus becomes off. The movie is is just the movie. And we can love everything that we see. This is one of the Huna principles. Love all that you see.

So it’s testing us to just release everything in unconditional love. So that’s one way to find our light is just through that, that forgiveness process. That everything is love and that everything is imperfection the way it is, it, I’m just dealing with how it affects me, right? So I can neutralize that and then I come back into existence and, and I come back into, um, living within consciousness versus unconsciousness. And that’s part of it. You know, a child when they’re born is, uh, awakened. How many of have held a baby? And now that’s pure light. You’re holding just a pure light,

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
but they are not yet conscious of their awakening. And that’s what we are. We’re little cherubs, not yet conscious of our awakening. And it’s really why we see a surge of people moving towards medicines that give you a moment of awakening through a plant medicine, through crystal skull method, which we’re gonna be talking about, uh, through working directly.

You know, I work directly with the Apus of the mountain spirits. You go over 10,000 feet, your heart has to be open, direct transmission. I like those teachers ’cause there’s no blah, blah, blah of interpretation. Religious psychology, head pure initiations. That’s where I get my initiations and where I invite other people to get theirs directly from, from the earth, from the medicines of the earth.

Direct transmission in the Garden of Eden that we were given. This is what we were given so that we could know who we were. We have receptors in our brain for DMT. We’re supposed to know who we are, but we’re so busy, like being important that we’ve missed the boat,

Guy:
Yeah.

Suraj:
you know? And we’re rolling out more technology and rolling out it unconsciously and, and hoping that seat, you know, trying to get fed. But it’s, it’s never gonna get it because we have to come home. And since my quote, awakening that I had. Everything’s being changed in my life, my location, my relationship. You know, I lost all family members. It’s like total. And I breathe and I grieve and I go, forgive. Forgive emptiness.

For those pure moments of bliss that you speak of, of being with a plant an a bird hearing its song, it comes into your heart and you go, because you’re empty, you’re empty. And I think this is the process we’re in. And if we can choose it consciously, which we did choose it unconsciously, but if we can choose it consciously, once we are in that initiation, to not fear that initiation because that is taking away some illusion we have about ourselves. My illusion and my relationship with my daughter in, in death, you know that I thought I really was teaching death the greatest fiction.

This is what I was teaching before she passed. I thought I watched my best friend die in my arms and she was a very spiritual woman. And I thought, I get it. This is such an illusion, right? Six months later, spirit said, is it, and I was down on the ground, so my awakening was shallow. It had to go deeper. I. And I never would in a million years ask for that initiation, but somehow I did on some level, and I’d love to deny that one through and through. I would never in a million years want that, but my whole life, I’ve asked to awaken. That’s all I’ve ever asked for. That’s been my goal in life, I guess. And losing attachments is the way there.

Guy:
And it’s scary. Like I have no doubt people listening to this, including myself. I’m just placing myself going through your journey and I can feel like these restrictions in me going, oh my gosh, you know? And. And people listening to this will, will definitely be on a, a searching on a spiritual path.

There’ll be a certain kind of person listening to this, these conversations and content. I don’t doubt it. Through all that you’ve been through, and I’m keen to get into the crystal skull method you mentioned in a moment. Um, but like what advice would you give to anyone listening to this that leans is craving the spirit?

Like, it’s like we’re craving the spiritual connection. We have these experiences and I’ve certainly had many along my way, hence why I, I’m very passionate what I do, there’s still so many parts of me that I identify with and I kind of feel comfortable in that as well. And you know, and it’s like bit by bit, it’s slowly breaking down and, it also brings up, it’s scary. scary at the same time. You know, and it’s like how do we dance with that knowing it’s all gonna be okay?

Suraj:
Well first that’s really beautiful that I’m hearing that from you. You know, your own, your own reflection, and everyone should know that what I was asked to do is not what you’re gonna be asked to do. You know, everyone has their own unique initiations, but our fears are really what are our fears? There are fears. It’s a place that we don’t really know who we are yet. Like we’re afraid because we don’t really know who we are.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
That’s the real fear. That’s the real fear. We can say it’s like survival and you know, all these things. But the real fear, I mean, ask, and I’ve sat with so many people dying. The fear is that they never really knew themselves. They’re gonna dissolve. They’re about to dissolve. They never knew themselves, but they will instantly when they cross. And that’s a universal thing that you know. And if you don’t think so, watch these beautiful NDE videos online. And it doesn’t matter if they’re a Christian or this or that or the other.

This guy was a truck driver or an electrician. He got electrocuted, non-spiritual men, you know, talked like a blue collar worker, you know, no religion. Now he is like born again. You know, he’s like just radiant being because he had an experience across the band. And it really, um, my experience really burned another core. And then I’ll address that, what you said, it burned another core, which I was raised Catholic and you know, I, I’ve been, I. Following Eastern mysticism, native American. Like I have my own spirituality from all this medicine and I always believed karma, you know, we gotta come back and finish up or whatever. And when I had my awakening, that too was a lie. That was a lie.

That’s based on, um, we’re not good enough. That’s, that’s what that’s based on. That’s based on that fundamental principle that we’re not good enough and we’re gotta earn heaven and this and that. And the other thing and the real, uh, problem is that we don’t know ourselves. That’s the real sin. That’s the only sin really, is that we don’t know ourselves.

Because if we did, none of that would happen anyway. It’s just one split second. And when OSHA said this to me or this Mr. Go that Miss said it’s an instantaneous awakening. And I was like, oh, how does that happen? You know, I got, I got a long list of shit and it happened for me that day. It was instant. I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, not by any belief in my mind because I experienced myself as I am, which is nothing in everything.

And I would say to cultivate those experience, you can’t make yourself wake up suddenly. Like it’s because if you can it isn’t it because it’s a non-doing, you already are awakened. It’s a non-doing. You have to be prompted out of your illusion of what isn’t. That’s what has to be removed. Nothing has to be gained, no goal. And like you, like me, alphas, you know, big A type A out in the world, you know nothing you can do because you already are. That’s what I was screaming in my bed when this wa when this happened, I was crying. I already am what I’ve been searching for. Like it was the biggest hey, YOKA move of the universe and so are you.

But if those are just words to you right now, it’s because there is still illusion and there’s still illusion being erased from me as well. We’re here as long as we’re here, we’re doing that. We’re peeling more away.

Guy:
Do you think as a collective humanity, we will dissolve the illusion? Do you think we’ll go in that direction?

Suraj:
Well, there has been, um, many, uh, prophecies about this time through many thousands of years of evolution of the human species and its interaction with the Star Nations and that awakening process, I think we get to choose prophecies or prophecies. Yeah. It’s like you say, uh, we can call prophecies, narratives, collective narratives, and so you can connect to the Doomsday prophecy or the awakening prophecy. The doomsday is to the ego. There’s a definite doomsday to the ego coming, and we’re in it. It’s not in the future. We’re, we’re tra transiting it. We have been for a while, and it’s just getting the, the temperature’s heating up. And it’s always, the ego doesn’t wanna let go.

And that’s why I say, oh, what are you, you know, oh, I can make a list like you, I’m a podcaster, I’m a shaman. I’m a this, I’m a that, I’m a bumblebee. I’m just buzzing around, you know, because I enjoy it. Because the same moment hit me, brother. I laid there going, if I already am, then is there anything to do? And my omnipotent light said, only if you want to. There’s nothing to do if you don’t want to. If the light it said only if it’s in delight. That’s what the light of my omnipotent self said. Well, my little self was trying to grapple that. This just just happened to me. Only if it’s in delight, but you can’t get any more or less enlightened from it.

What that severed everything that I had around earning around, I’m gonna help save other people and wake up other people. And all this stuff we attach to as the egos and spiritual ego is the trickiest ego. Right? It’s, I’m a mega podcaster and I have a lot of influence and you know, we have all this going on in the world right now in our spiritual, uh, groups, right? Oh, this is big. You know, I’m big and I’ve got influence and I’m making a difference. And I, I was touring the world. I, you know, I, I understand. And now I realize, wow, there was so much attachment in there. There was just so much I didn’t even know when I laid on that bed for eight hours in it that I was ever gonna do a thing again.

Because I learned that so much of what I was doing was for the wrong reason, and there was nothing I could do, but B, so I moved out of human doing into complete human being. And isn’t that what we say we are? No. If the being wants to go and the be wants to go and pollinate, that’s just happy. But when you slow down the crickets, if you’ve ever heard Robbie Robinson’s album, the Native American Ensemble where they have crickets slowed down into a super, oh, you must hear it. Google it because it sounds like a choir of angels when it’s slowed down.

Guy:
Wow.

Suraj:
And it means that all of nature’s and praise is blissed out in praise. And we are suffering so much in the ego. So if I wake up in the morning, go, I wanna see that client, or I wanna do this ’cause I’m so. Then it’s right then it’s being, I’m just being me and I’ve had to stop so many things and change my scheduling everything because I was like, wow. I’m, I’m, I’m moving from the wrong place. I’m moving. Is that coming from within and not a need to fill myself with more importance? And that is radical. It’s radical, but I’ve had such an opportunity to witness that through the elders, you know, where it’s just, everything’s just down to the root. You know, it’s not blah, blah, blah. It’s just being.

Guy:
Wow. Wow. So talk to me about the crystal skull method. You said it was seven years in development, is that correct

Suraj:
Yeah, well, you know, I’ve been at a transmedium for the grandmothers and grandfathers, you can call them the Star Nations. You can call it my oversaw, whatever you’d like to call it. And, um, I believe we’re all antenna for larger information in the collective. Um, because information and consciousness has never died nor been born.

It, it exists for all of us. Um, when we get out of linear time, we start and the universe might be a, a tourist field, a donut, that all time exists at the same time. Uh, knowledge and wisdom is at our access. I call that channeling for right now. Um, it’s just like surfing the internet on the inner planes and if we could create the internet, we obviously are already able to do it ’cause we are made of crystalline as well as this little computer is.

So we projected it into this that we call the internet and I call it the internet. It’s the same. It’s just I go with it. I don’t need a wifi connection in that same way. And we all have this, I was the grandmothers and grandfathers first talk to me about it in, um, Peru, which is where we’re going in the fall. Again, it’s our time that we spend in, in the Andes with the Kiro shamans, um, and doing initiations there directly with the mountains and, and with the medicines there. And I started to receive this information about, you know, people have talked about the crystal skulls, and I don’t know if you’ve read about them or there’s many books written on the crystal skulls about these, um, life-size skulls that were found in different parts of the world that were perfect, that were the perfect replica of the human, uh, dimensions of the skull.

And, you know, they’ve had, uh, scientists, uh, try to decode one of these that’s, uh, the famous, uh, one that has been found in Canada, uh, which lived in Canada, but was found in Central America years ago. And, um, the indigenous, uh, history of them, you know, um, many Native American traditions have stories about these 13 original skulls. And that these were databases, basically of other planetary systems that have human, like, like our own, that were part of seeding this planet. Um, the, they were called in my Iroquois, uh, in part Seneca in, in that, uh, lineage, they’re called the 13 clan Mothers. And you can read books about the clan mothers and they mean, um, you know, if we could understand it simply, it would be like the queen of each planetary system.

So, because when they did the forensics on those skulls, they were, they pulled them out and said that it looks like a Native American woman. Okay. So these skulls were all in the mythos and in the oral history as being, they were brought. To, to our, our planet. And are they the satellites for other, other planetary systems? Because of course they’re full crystal. And I was being told that, and I, I worked with those skulls for years. I traveled. Grandmother drum has a small replica skull in it. I, I was activating the original skulls. I was told to do that and I was told to activate humans with grandmother drum. It’s a seven foot drum that I completely channeled, um, that had a triple spiral matrix of crystal that would be laid into the bowl of this drum.

It took us over a year to build grandmother drum made of 1500 strips of red cedar, yellow cedar, and birch inlaid with 200 clear and rose quartz crystal and covered with one 2000 pound buffalo hide. Okay. I mean, hides not the animal, was that? Okay. So I have been touring for 20 years and 20 countries and, and three world tours in Australia, coast to coast, um, with this medicine and what was it about? But laying people underneath it and journeying them for about an hour, um, with their heads laid to the bowl to activate the brain and the heart. It’s a matrix that I could go into in detail. People were having profound experiences under grandmother drum, and it was a big project to take this 2000 pound crate that went in air, you know, and get funded for it, to take it around the world.

So that was my mission for 20 years. And specifically to the Ring of Fire, to the geologic Ring of Fire. So I was in Hawaii at the volcanoes and you know, I was in Australia at main places that only the Aboriginal people know that’s on the east coast of Australia. I’m not even mention the tribe to keep them protected, but the song lines that are on, on the Sydney area in, in, in, in that area, I’ll just say, um, are part of the Ring of fire.

New Zealand, Japan, Alaska, you know, the whole ring. And so that was my mission to go and activate because that drum also went, uh, significantly, uh, almost a mile into the ground when it, when it activated that we were starting to help move open, uh, the cervix of the mother as she was getting ready to take this next launch.

And I kept, uh, channeling all those prophecies to people to get them prepared for this. And then, um, when we were in Peru, which we’re gonna be returning and we’d love to have you all join us there, um, we received information about the crystal skull method. And this was how do we, um, ’cause we’re all asking this question, right?

We’re asking how do I experience my light? The real me. Now, you know, that’s the surge of people doing ayahuasca and, and plant medicines of all kind, because they wanna experience themselves as they are. And this is, this is good if it’s well guided, if it’s, if it’s very well guided, this is, this is good, good medicine. Um, and it will allow you to know who you are. But you have to be called, you don’t just do it only if the medicine calls you. And this is another switch to what we’re doing in, in life right now, you and I and all these people that have, oh, we’re selling our programs. No, no. They, they have to be ready for that medicine.

They have to. When I talk to people, I said, where, where did you get guidance to do this? It has to be a readiness for this medicine. And they said crystal skull method would be allow people that medicine without taking plant medicine, they would allow them that same experience, would open up the DMT in the brain in a way that would allow them to go through that experience consciously, not on medicine of some other kind, but they would be able to prompt it themselves.

And so this is, um, it’s taken me seven years to channel all levels of it. And it’s, it’s simple and it’s also completely, um, not complicated, just complex. And it’s how it links up to every other ancient modality it brings together like a map. Ayurveda, this is 12,000 years old Chinese medicine. Acupuncture, Tibetan healing modern practices of polarity therapy and Bowen technique and many other things that are working in the grid of the map of the body. But this takes it to a quantum different level.

It unites, it unites them. So you’ll see them all. And we go, here’s, here’s that acupuncture point. And this is how that grid works there. And the one key that we learned to open that in the brain and in the rest of the body is through sacred geometry. We’re made of sacred geometry. So when we enhance that through the energetic processes of hands-on work that we do, and breath, those are the two things, the breath being worked from you to these points. So centrifuging it down because there’s like, you know, there’s a rabbit hole to CSM is we activate the pineal gland.

Okay? And I can teach you on, on this how to do the first steps of it. We activate the pineal gland. What is that gland? That’s the gland of light. That’s I am the light. That’s the gland of light. It’s serotonin melatonin, right? Our circadian rhythm. It’s a very, very small gland. It looks like a tiny pine cone. And whoever has that, has control on the top of the pope staff is that, um, pine cone. If you look on all the ancient staffs, barus, this one in this period, they’ve got the pine cone at the top of the staff. The medical symbol.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
What are we looking at? Two currents that run the spine that they, they call in the East Ida and pen gala and they meet at the occipital point and they touch that bulbus in the medical symbol. That’s the pineal turning on the light. Awakening the light under a bone that looks like a wing, which is your sphenoid bone that holds your head, your brain into your head. Some people think this is the real meaning of the arc of the covenant, that those winged beings on top of that box are the symbol of when we open the occipital point and the spinal fluid can do what it’s supposed to do.

Awaken the pineal gland, flood it with light. The light spills forward. I. Into your fontanel, your baby Fontanel, where you were born. That’s where there’s 10 billion nerve endings that come in at at your atlas, 10 billion. They hit that bulbus. The light goes on, it floods. There’s two chemicals. We call it the land of milk and honey. In the Bible, there’s a red substance and there is a golden substance, a milky substance that gets released in the pineal and then it floods forward into the Fontanel area, and that is the thousand petal lotus. There’s a thousand nerve endings right there that was soft when you were a baby, and it should be soft again, if it’s hardened, you’ve lost your communication.

So this is where that would flood forward. That is the enlightenment process in a very physical way. Which all the Eastern mystics talk about. All of acupuncture and Ayurveda, and you name it from the east, talk about yoga, about this Kundalini that comes up the spine and awakens us. And there is easy access, ways to open that light in our own consciousness. And we’ve had phenomenal results with CSM. We’ve done 400 case studies now on people that have had sessions of it. So we have data now and we’re finally ready to bring it to the world, you know, after seven years and core people going through it. And we have 400 case studies that we’ve done

Guy:
How

Suraj:
and is teaching you how to do it yourself because you’re very involved in the process.

Guy:
So question for you, like how long are you working with people on the crystal skull? Is it over days? Is it over hours? Is it a session? Like how have you

Suraj:
It’s a session. So, um, it, it is set up sort of, um, in, in a similar way to Rolfing, where it’s a series of sessions, but you don’t have to, I mean, you can, or you can choose to just have one. So it’s a session each week and preferably for nine weeks, preferably. So you go through three levels of, of it. So the, the first one is more gradual and then there’s, you know, as you’re ready for it, um, it gets increased.

So we have level one, level two, and level three of, of the method. It takes about two hours the session, and then people get follow up that they can do on their own. And, you know, we’ve had everything from, uh, we had a person with a hearing aid let go of a hearing aid after two sessions. You know, we have had like miraculous stories.

Um, something with hemiplegic migraines. It’s great for OCD and addiction. We had a woman 20 years on antidepressants off after two sessions, could never get off because when you know who you are, right? And it’s, it’s all it is, it’s helping you turn on the light. And I’ve always said, if you come in this room and the lights are off, you’re, you’re gr you, you’re doing this.

Where’s, where’s the door handle? Where’s the light switch? But once the light is on, everything becomes evident. I never even think about where the door is. And addiction is just feed me and the light goes on. You’re like, oh, you don’t need that. You know who you are. You, you find yourself. And people have all sorts of issues, you know, from depression to, to lack of purpose to trauma. And the number one thing that addresses is trauma.

Guy:
Fantastic.

Suraj:
And we have, we have to give our hats off to the preliminary that was set up for us for CSM, which is cranial sacral, uh, therapy. A great modality. It’s, they say, this is the quantum next step of, of craniosacral, because they were doing the same. They hold the, the two places, the sacrum and the occipital, and the grandparents said, the sacrum is your physical birth. The trauma of your physical birth and your, your occipital is the trauma of your spiritual birth.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
And so to open this unlocks the trauma because that’s where whenever we get harmed or afraid, we, we pull this energy in. And that whole, uh, area is so compressed for us. And of course we have a, you know, 10, 12 pound bowling ball head sticking at the top of our spine. So that’s the other issue of it. But CSM has not done laying down. It’s done sitting. You’re gonna be totally conscious, aware the snot you going drifting off into dreamland and having a, having a hallucination of a guide or something. No, you’re, you’re in living color sitting there having your experience and you’re completely consciously having it. And so it’s so powerful for people because they are active. We are not asking them to be passive, so they get to participate in how much they want to expand.

Guy:
Wow.

Suraj:
It’s very straightforward. It’s straightforward.

Guy:
can you work with at one time with a skull?

Suraj:
It’s just one person at a time.

Guy:
it’s one at a time. Is it? It is not. Like you

Suraj:
It’s a one-on-one.

Guy:
right? So you couldn’t do a group or something, or.

Suraj:
Well, people can do some of the work themselves on themselves, but some of the points are tricky there. These are two points at a time. We work with a grid system, so we’re not like acupuncture. We’re just sticking a needle here or sticking a needle there, or we’re working with two poles at a time, creating an electromagnetic energy, electricity.

Guy:
Gotcha.

Suraj:
So you could do one right now. Okay, so your third eye, you could do that point. This is part of the grid and the back of that one, which is we call the light door. So you can hold that one and that one at the same time. Okay. Then we make a contact through the skull with our energy. We are not running any energy for people. It’s very, very delicate because if I have my fingers either here or here, wherever the points are on the skull, and then we move to the rest of the body, I can brainwash you. I, I’m, I’m pointing right at your pineal, your gland of intention. I have to be completely empty as a, as a practitioner, I, I have to have nothing and then I teach you this breath technique to connect my fingers.

Guy:
Uh huh.

Suraj:
So I breathe in from my crown, I bring it right to my pineal, which above your ears, and here points right at the pineal and your crown. All of those point at your pineal. Okay, so if I do that, I say, now breathe as if you could breathe from the sun and breathe in sunlight. And then come down to that pineal and, and pretend you’re gargling for a second. Hold your breath there, and then exhale out the two points that I’m holding. So you are gonna make the electrical connection. You are gonna bring in light, and you are going to download light, and you’re gonna hold it and stimulate the pineal gland. I mean, this is what ayahuasca does. It opens the pineal gland. Okay, we’re gonna open it. Now. The things that destroy it, we know are wifi.

Glyphosate. Right? These are things that destroy fluoride. All destroy pineal. This is what is the collective control, the matrix. This is, you know, all of this stuff going on right now, all the, the GMO la la the, the viruses like this is to shut our connection down so that we don’t know who we’re, and we’re a bunch of fearful people. And it worked perfectly. They saw it, they rolled it out, and it worked perfectly. COVID worked. They got everybody believing it. Everybody shut down. They got control of everything. You can’t be, if you have your pineal open, if you know who you are, you can’t be manipulated. So this is, this is your right to know who you are.

And so we teach this method and we start activating the grid. Now the number one sacred geometry we are building. Number one, the alpha and the omega is the Shri Yantra. We’re building the Shri Yantra. It is the symbol of om the seed sound of the universe according to Hinduism. And you’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. It’s all of these pyramids or triangles, five inverted, four upright with lotus flowers around them, and then a a square that goes around the whole thing. We are building this in the brain. And then we’re expanding that, that grid around the entire body. It’s one that’s the key code. That’s that’s our key to this method, but it’s not the only one we use.

Guy:
So are you like, I, I have no doubt like thousands of people are gonna listen to this podcast. Okay.

Suraj:
Am I ready for that?

Guy:
And people are gonna go, I’m sitting here like, I wanna try the crystal skull method. You know what I mean? Like, ’cause I’ve had, you know, I know what it’s like to have my pine gland open. I’ve certainly experienced my whole body turned to sacred geometry and light had these, these experiences, they’ve, they’ve come spontaneously. They’ve never been just, you know, through intent. Even though my whole intent is to evolve with this work, you know, at the end of the day. But, um, are you, are you teaching it to other people? Where can people get it

Suraj:
Yes, yes. And, and like I said, we just, we were told to channel it and teach it, to develop it in Hawaii. And we’ve done that every year and, uh, for seven years now. And what we, we want to put it in the hands of people. We wanna teach you the method because then you can do it on, on each other, like you can do it on yourself. But then you have the depth of all the breath work that goes with it, all of the support of neuroanatomy. Like I had to learn neuroanatomy and I was channeling all this. And I was like, I don’t know what you mean by that. Like, I’m not a scientist. So for example, when we laid the stro over the head, you know, we got a, you know, in Photoshop we just went, okay, let’s lay that there.

All of the, um, main meridians and their junctures all fell out onto that map perfectly at the apexes of all the pyramids. And we were like, oh, that’s very interesting. And then when we found this point, which is the apex of one of the pyramids, and we were working, building that, we were told, oh, well that’s an acupuncture point. And that’s your consciousness point. You know, if the dog gets hit by a car or something, this is what you touch, you put your a needle in there, or just your fingernail. You know what’s behind there in your brain, your medulla, which controls your breathing and and your heart rate. And in your medulla, there’s a place, and it’s literally right behind our apex that’s called the desiccation of pyramids.

In neuroanatomy, it’s actually called the desiccation of pyramid. It means where the two occurrence of the spinal fluid crisscross and coming from the body up into the brain. Well, in that medulla is also pyramidal cells. I’m reading this going, how is that possible that we’re building these pyramids and there’s pyramidal cells even in that spot? So this became clarified. So there is grounded science in this method, very grounded science, and there’s grounded. Eastern practices of acupuncture and Ayurveda, the Mars, these are the first eight we were channeled, were the eight Great Mars. I didn’t know any of that. I don’t, I have never studied that. I only got on that because one of my first students was a 40 year acupuncturist. She came when we first channeled it, and she said, you know, that overlaps. Now we’re not working the meridians. We’re working the core of the brain, the pineal gland first. Then we flood the pituitary gland.

Guy:
Mm-hmm.

Suraj:
There’s a process we do to flood the pituitary gland with light, our own light, which is the master gland, which releases all the life hormones, the longevity hormones into the body, and then at a certain point we activate the the hypothalamus and thalamus. Okay. Thalamus is like the zero point in the brain. It’s the neutral, and we, and we do that. If you slice the brain here and looked at the sagittal side view of the brain, it’s the eye of Horace. That’s what the brain looks like is the eye of Horace and the eyeball in the eye of Horace image that we’ve all seen.

That all represents parts of the brain, all parts of that. The eyeball is the thalamus, and we have two lobes, just like we have two hemispheres, we have two lobes of the thalamus and the very center of that thalamus. We call in neuroanatomy, the mass intermedia, that’s what it’s called scientifically. It’s an area that looks like an A pupil and they, they don’t have any idea in science what it does. They know the brain’s a relay station and, and the thalamus is the relay station and all this, but they don’t know exactly what the mass intermediate does. And we’ve been given all of those, all that knowledge that lines up with all of the things. ’cause I, I said, if it’s gonna be true, it will be true all the way through.

It’ll bring together everything, um, that already exists and then take it to another level of understanding. And not everybody’s gonna become an acupuncturist or wants needles in there. Like, I have a total needle phobia, so I’m never gonna want needles. You know, so how do we activate these systems ourselves? And there are a hundred ways to awakening as we know. And we found that this is, this can be defined as quantum. Everybody wants to call their method quantum, but we can say this now, 400 people later, um, because they score themselves. We don’t score them. My students have to do practicums. So they get free sessions and all they have to do is fill out a one page thing. Um, did I improve in any way? And it’s one through 10, mentally, physically, emotionally, sexually, spiritually, one to 10. And we’re averaging 52% improvement after the first session

Guy:
Wow. That’s

Suraj:
out of 400 people.

Guy:
That’s

Suraj:
And other people score really high. And other people say, well, you know, that changed, but this, and then we always ask about a healing crisis. Did you have a healing crisis? Meaning something really big happened that you might think is bad, but it was like opened. And then we follow that up, uh, through the second and third sessions, and we move that, uh, whatever’s going on in the unconscious past lives come up, you know, whatever it is we moving that open.

Uh, but we’re talking about people that, that aren’t so spiritual and wanted to just get a session, you know, they, they and my students are, are doing it for the first time. So if you say we had 52% improvement, when all of these are amateurs doing it, then it’s, it’s got something to it. And I only think it does because we’re aligning to all these other sciences. And when I showed this to my kahunas in Hawaii, this one, the first and opening sequence, which we call the beans of light, um, they said, we had this in the Huna.

They said, I think you’re channeling this from Lamia. I said, oh, okay. And my kahuna said, and the, I’ve spoken to the Maya, they had this too. This particular thing that you’re doing here. So again, there’s no new information, you know, I’m just on that channel. I’m just vibrating with that channel of keeping my light on. And it’s taken me a lot. It, it burned everything. It burned down everything doing CSM. It is what got me here,

Guy:
Wow.

Suraj:
and it, it was a slow and beautiful process.

Guy:
Where, um, gonna have to come to a close of the podcast soon, so it’s only due to time. But where can people find out more about this method?

Suraj:
Well, on our website Yep. Under our Shamanic trainings, you’ll see Crystal skull method. Um, we do sessions, we do them online. We can do them remotely, we can do them when people don’t even know that they’re receiving one, uh, as long as we have their permission. Yeah. Um, my partner has been working with a, a young woman in Austria who’s been, uh, suicidal.

And, uh, she’s agreed. Her mother has asked, uh, Mikayla to do a series of sessions, uh, with her. And we use a skull or we use a mannequin for, you know, using that person in front of us. And, um, she has gotten so much better that, um, her mom still wants her to do remote sessions on her. She’s not like laying in bed while it’s happening or anything.

And I did the same on somebody that was in Anchorage, a best friend of mine who was in a terrible motorcycle accident and was totally unconscious for days and days and days. I did my first session, I told her I was going in and the mother and I said, I’ll let you know when I come out. And I got a ton of information from her son, but he literally, I just texted her. I just finished. He opened his eyes and woke up

Guy:
How

Suraj:
After the second session, he stood up and he had fractured his spine. He had fractured his fingers, arms, and uh, he stood up after my second. So

Guy:
how, how long does the training go for?

Suraj:
the training is, uh, level one is each level is nine days.

Guy:
Okay.

Suraj:
And it’s very, um, because we add all the science into it, if we were just doing hands-on and teaching you the hands-on portion, but we teach you all of it. Like we allow you to see the hole and then you can go down the rabbit hole as far as you want. We have a manual that has all those teachings in it and all those breathworks that you can help people with when they are working with a specific area of the body, uh, how they can support that, uh, in the follow up. And, and so, uh, we want this, it’s, it’s your birthright to, to have this. It’s yours, it’s mine, and it’s been before us. It’s just waited to be claimed. That’s all. It’s just waiting to be claimed.

Guy:
there’s an opportunity to get you over here in Australia teaching a few of us Aussies. Huh?

Suraj:
I have seen it. My brother, I have seen me come, you know, it was my first country to tour in it. It’s, uh, there’s a long history that I have with Australia from, from many lives, but, uh, it’s the first country I traveled to with grandmother drums. So it might be, um, the first appropriate place for me to go again. ’cause I activated that with the first round and now here comes the second. So love to do it. Yeah. And it can be done either in nine full days or three, three day weekends. Um, you know, in that modality depends upon what people wanna sponsor if for. And then we ask people to go through a three month, uh, certification period where they do some practicums and, and, and, you know, before they’re certified. Yeah.

Guy:
Amazing.

Suraj:
Yeah.

Guy:
Thank you so much for coming on the show. That was th th this is the reason why our podcast, honestly, it was just a beautiful conversation and I love.

Suraj:
Oh my gosh. And, and we have to get you to Alaska.

Guy:
I know, I know. I, my, I, I’m dragging my family everywhere with me at the moment. We just got back from Bali. My son’s like 17 months old now. My daughter’s nearly five.

Suraj:
Wow.

Guy:
So there’s, and taking him to Croatia when we run our Croatian retreat later in the year. They kind of like

Suraj:
Okay. Yeah.

Guy:
and, and, and as in baggage, as in suitcases, not as in, uh,

Suraj:
Yes, yes.

Guy:
load. Yeah. No, it’s

Suraj:
Yeah.

Guy:
I love it. But yes, there’s so many things I wanna, uh, lean into. It’s not funny. Alaska’s

Suraj:
you know, the bottom line to this podcast is. Um, choose to have called in our, our kahuna say, calling is our intent. Feeding is the other part. So it’s a calling and a feeding, uh, our own light.

Guy:
Hmm.

Suraj:
That’s, that’s this ascension process, if you want to call it that. I don’t even call it ascension because, um, that, that means otherworldly. It’s right here on the ground, man. It’s grounding our light is the answer and, and awakening it inside of our consciousness. Not some airy fairy retreat. No, it’s, it’s hands-on. It’s deep in our, in our unconscious that we have to go, and I’m so honored to be a midwife in that process.

Guy:
beautiful. Look, links are below for everyone with your websites and everything. Um, you’re easy to find online, but let’s say your URL one more time for people so they can

Suraj:
Uh, www whirling rainbow.com, the whirling Rainbow Prophecy and promise. Whirling rainbow.com.

Guy:
Beautiful Suraj. Thank you so much. Love. That was beautiful.