#157 My wonderful guest this week is Richard Rudd. Richard is an author, spiritual teacher, and mystic. During our conversation, Richard talks about his spiritual journey and how he was able to fit back into his normal life after experiencing the eye-opening things that he did.
Richard puts a great deal of emphasis on contemplation and encourages us all to be aware and conscious as we go about our day. I hope that this episode allows you to pause and live your day in a different way, experiencing things you might have overlooked before.
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About Richard: Richard Rudd is a teacher, mystic, and award-winning poet. Richard’s inner journey began early in life as he experienced strange energies rushing throughout his body, culminating in a major spiritual experience at the age of 29. Emerging from what he calls ‘a field of limitless light’ that lasted 3 days and 3 nights, Richard was entrusted with a sacred teaching – the wisdom of the Gene Keys.
A born explorer, Richard has studied with great teachers in the East, travelled through the Himalayas, the Pacific, the Americas, and the Arctic. Earning a master’s degree in metaphysics and literature from Edinburgh University, he went on to work in the film industry in Australia, trained as a teacher of Chi Kung in Thailand and sailed across the Atlantic Ocean on a small yacht.
All Richard’s travels and studies coalesced into a synthesis in 2002 when he began to write and conceive the Gene Keys. It took seven years to write the book and understand its teachings and applications.
In 2019, Richard was named on the Watkins list of The 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People.
Key points with time stamp:
- Richard’s work in his own words (0:14)
- People’s reaction to Richard being a mystic (2:21)
- Richard’s journey into the spiritual world (3:59)
- Where would Richard be without the guidance he received as a teenager? (6:38)
- Leaving our comfort zones for spiritual growth: Is it a hard task? (9:27)
- The turning point for Richard (10:55)
- Life after Richard’s meditative state (17:17)
- The low points following Richard’s new-found knowledge (18:21)
- Is integrating back into “normal life” a necessary step? (22:31)
- Writing The Gene Keys and the teachings of I Ching (24:24)
- A roadmap into the Gene Keys (33:47)
- The Art of Contemplation: the core of Richard’s techniques (36:28)
- How did Richard feel after finishing the Gene Keys? (43:50)
- Is growth found in suffering? (45:43)
- Is Richard hopeful about the future? (51:09)
- What Richard leaves us with (54:35)
Mentioned in this episode:
- Pete Evans
- Ram Dass
- Bardsey Island
- Llyn Peninsula
- Isle of the Saints
- The Gene Keys, A book by Richard Rudd
- Human Design
- I Ching. A Chinese divinition text
- Hua Ching Ni
- Nassim Haramein
- The Art of Contemplation, 2018. Richard’s second book
Richard Rudd’s Website:
Richard’s Course: The Art of Contemplation
Richard, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you. It’s lovely to be here.
I want to share something with you and everyone listening because I was actually with Peter Evans a few weeks ago. And, and he has a popular podcast here in Australia. And being a podcaster. Myself, one of the natural questions I asked him was what? You know, you’ve interviewed many people who, who stood out for you recently, and he instantly said, Your name is Richard Rudd. Fantastic, I must, I must reach out. So I appreciate you coming on the show. And I asked everyone on the show, if you were at the intimate dinner table party right now, and you’re sitting next to a complete stranger, and they asked you what you did for a living? What would you say?
Yeah, it’s always a good one that. My wife has more difficulty with that than I do. Well, I, you know, over the years, I’ve kind of refined that one. And I used to go off onto all kinds of tangents. Now, I just generally tell people, well, I’m a mystic, really. And they might say, well, what’s that? And I said, Well, you know, when I was younger, I had a kind of spiritual experience that changed my the direction of my life and, and set me off on a kind of spiritual journey, exploring lots of different viewpoints, and studying with different teachers, and masters and different disciplines all around the world. And I use my 20s, really, for that search. And, and then I started to, you know, then things started to kind of coalesce inside me, and I started to write my own kind of wisdom and insights that came from inside me, based a little bit on the spiritual experience I had, you know, in my late 20s, and, and I’ll just follow that track from there. And so now I’m a writer and author, a spiritual teacher, a father, a husband, you know,
what was the general reaction? Because you wouldn’t often hear somebody say, I mystic, or the mystical. And and that was even a foreign concept to me growing up in Wales, you know, it was about rugby for me. And it was so foreign. Yeah, of course, yeah.
What would the reaction be, I guess, you know, a lot of the time, sort of site, sort of, they don’t really know that people wouldn’t really know how to follow up. If they’re a good listener, then they would probe you know, like, it doesn’t take much to be a good listener, you just ask a few more leading questions, and then you sit and you wait, and interesting stories come out. And not not everyone’s like that, for various reasons. They have their own discomfort that sometimes can come up around like something that they can’t easily frame. But you know, so I guess over the years, I’ve had all kinds of responses quite often. You know, and even among the people I, I sort of hang out with, I’m not I don’t talk widely about what I do, unless there’s one or two who are interested. But in in the sort of, like, in it, for instance, the Friends of my children or their parents, things like that, you know, that might know a little bit about what I do, because maybe they’ve heard I’m a writer, and but then, you know, they’re just living their lives. And yeah, and, you know, most people have too much going on to kind of worry who someone else is. But obviously, friendships are developing from people who are genuinely interested in, in others. So
yeah, amazing. Well, I can tell you, I’m genuinely interested. And and I’m sure some great stories will come up in the podcast today. But you know, I was looking at your on your website earlier. And I was fascinated because you do seem like a bit of an adventurer even before. From what I understand the turning point was when you’re at the age of 29, I think. And and it was saying that, you know, you traveled the world. You did you sailed, you did an incredible set across the Pacific as well. And the Atlantic, was it Okay, and were you already looking into the spiritual side of things, mystical side of things before you had your experience at 29? Like, was it a whole accumulation of events to bring you to that point, or are you just randomly laying in bed one night and things went?
You actually was from early on in my life, it was always always been there. And I guess a seed that was kind of quietly growing and it was a bit hidden. In my teen years at school and things, because you know, in that school environment, you kind of get into that teenage kind of image consciousness, which is very natural, because you’re trying to work out who you are. And generally, you’re playing a role that you’re not. But that was my case anyway, a lot of the time. And, but slowly, I guess, around 18, things started, you know, I fell in with some people, some younger people my age, who were sort of spiritual seekers, and adventurers and starting that journey. And, and that was a real turning point to find a group of people like me, and, and, yeah, so that really kind of launched me because then I fell in with this group, and we started to explore, you know, all the different things we’re exploring. So it’s pretty rare actually, to find it, you know, nowadays, it’s, it’s a lot more common, there are a lot more younger people on, on, you know, aware of spiritual things and the spiritual kind of dimension. But back in then, especially in England, there wasn’t, there wasn’t a lot going on. But we were one of the first, probably early groups of people really interested because there were people of teachers like Ram Dass, and people who are circulating the teachings and things that come to the west that were more palatable to younger people, you know, because they had, right, he had a sense of humor, and kind of warmth and engagement. So there are certain people like that, plus the people exploring psychedelics and stuff like that. And that was a weigh in that often is a weigh in for younger people. So that was one of my ways in.
Yeah, incredible. Do you think I’m, often wonder about this, because where I grew up in Wales, I was, there was nothing, nothing. And there was always a pull and a yearn and a search for me. I just couldn’t, I had no nothing to point me. There wasn’t even a yoga studio, there was just nothing, you know, and I think, because of that, I kind of aimlessly wandered on and continue to travel and just tried to put my finger on something that couldn’t even describe that was going on within me, what do you think would have happened for yourself if you hadn’t come across, especially at 18? I mean, it’s amazing that you were looking at it then. And then
well, you know, I, I had to, I had another path that was kind of unraveling, you know, the mainstream path because I’m from a family of wine and spirit merchants, we’re very old family lineage in England, in London, and with a 300 year old wine shop and in St. James’s. And so it’s one of the best known old lineage companies in the country, if not the world, actually. And so but small family business and, and so I was always really interested in wine, because I grew up with my father drinking as a connoisseur, he drank, you know, drunk small amounts of really fine wine and, and, and so at the table, we would always have wine and that always be wine discussions. And, and so I learned and kind of developed a really good palate for tasting the subtleties and nuances in in in wines and foods as well, actually, but so I thought I was going to go in that direction. And of all the three children and my brothers and sisters, I was the one most likely to do that. And the opposite turned out to be the case, my sister is now in charge of the business. My brother is also a director, and I’m not in the business. But I I’m sort of, I’m actually still involved because I have a foot in both worlds. But yeah, I would have gone off and done that. And everyone was a bit surprised when I when I didn’t, you know, when I had this experience, and then shifted direction rapidly.
Were they supportive?
They were they were my father was especially when my father both my mother, as well, but he was because he was the sort of the patriarchal figure in my life, obviously. And he was very yielding and philosophical and unworried. You know, I think he, he didn’t quite know where to where to frame it, but I think he saw me as a romantic, you know, and that was okay for me. Like, I’m a romantic, I go off and adventures and journeys and things and, and come back with stories. And he was okay with that.
Amazing, amazing I am. And I’m asking you these questions as well, because I can draw parallels in some respects of what I’ve been through over the last 10 years, you know, and I was curious, and I see it in a lot of people that we work with here in Australia that they start to experience this work and they start to have an opening and want to lean in, but over the course they’ve got their life that they’ve been living for the last 30 or 40 years and the job and the security. Was it hard for you to walk away from that? Or did you just you Were you so trusting, and there was an inner knowing that you just had the courage to just go and do it? And, and not worry?
I don’t think it was hard. It was natural, you know, okay. It’s just, you know, there was a, it was that fork in the path, you know? Yeah. And there was the path less traveled. And as an adventurer, I was like, I don’t know, where it’s gonna lead me. And it did lead me to, you know, to periods of anxiety, and kind of self doubt, of course, because that’s part of it, you know, and particularly later in my 20s, when, you know, a lot of your friends are kind of, they’ve got good jobs, you know, or they’re getting married, and having kids and I was still out there. You know, I didn’t get any of that there was no stability in my life at that level. And I think that kind of caused some questions inside me like is, you know, is this gonna? How long is this going to go on?
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. And do you mind sharing a bit about the experience that happened?
It feels like a big turning point.
Yeah, I mean, it you know, they’ll it’s like, they’re is like, there are lots of mutations in our lives, you know, that. And sometimes they all add up to a transmutation a big shift. But so all the little ones are just as important, you know, so I remember, flashes in my early life where I saw things or kind of had strong impulses, like, I remember, in my early teens are 13, or 14, I was just driving along next to my mum somewhere. And I suddenly had the kind of just out of nowhere, teenager, suddenly had the deep knowing that I had the ability to touch someone and instantaneously heal them, whatever that was, and I had that kind of, that’s just like, Oh my God, not just me, but anyone I had, that I had that kind of flash of like anyone, everyone has that capacity. I don’t know where it came from. But it was very strong little, like one of those little early murmurs of something. And, and so I realized, I slowly kind of realize that anything in life is possible. And but yeah, then came this experience, where I woke up one morning in my bed. And it was quite unusual in that sense that I actually woke up from my sleep into a new day into a new me. And I woke up and I was just in this altered state, I woke up into it. And, and when,
when you when you say altered state, like, you were in a meditative state, waking up, and you’re like,
I was just there was just light coming through my body and how to express it was like coursing through my body. And now the way I’ve sometimes described it, as there was no, there was not, there was no resistance in me, at any point at any level was not even a kind of sliver of resistance anywhere in my body. You know, so, so all resistance was instantly taken from me. And I could just feel the, you know, the intelligence of the cosmos just flowing through me without a single resistance. And so I was just, I was on fire. I was in our, you know, I was a flame with this is good. No, oddly, I was kind of rapturous. You know, it was like, whoa. And I just went with it. And it wasn’t anything else to do. And I just followed the light, the intelligence, and I said it, it told me what to do. It didn’t tell me with words, it just showed me is so clearly because there was no resistance. So it was just so clear. It was almost like my life started to unravel. You know, choiceless Lee, over those three days, it lasted three days and three nights. And I didn’t really sleep, and but I kind of was in three days
and three nights. Yeah.
And I went on a journey in those three days and nights throughout Britain. In fact, I ended up in Wales. And I ended up on denef, you know, Bardsey island? Oh, no, I don’t. So it’s a tiny little island off the north coast of aberdaron, the Llyn peninsula. And I don’t mean up there, but that was where I was kind of taken and on this weaving journey through experiences and meeting people and having having insight because the whole journey was awesome. It was at an archetypal level. So in a way over the journey that I took from my home in Sussex, to the ending of it which was on Bardsey Island. It was the entire The entire life of the cosmos was enacted. You know, in in those three days, I can’t explain that. But every single aspect of the universe and its storyline was encoded in those three days in in little events and things that happen and people I met and things, you know, it was, everything was a symbolic thing. So at one point, I went to a wedding. And then I understood the symbolism behind weddings and marriage. And Yin and Yang, I just understood things at a visceral level of that was cosmic. That saturated my whole being and, and, and it enabled, it’s, yeah, even to the end, you know, like the end, I was sitting on this little hill on top, this remote little tiny island, I was probably one of just two or three people on the island. And, and then the, and as, and as I sat there on this hill, the, the the experience fell away, down into the earth, it just, like slid off me back into this little hill and into the earth and down into the core of the, you know, and just I felt myself coming back to ordinary consciousness. And, and that was it. And then I was that just left this guy sitting on a hill going, huh? What do I do now?
And what did you do then? from the from that? Well,
I kind of fell on a boat and went home. And there was a guy coming because I had to get the there was a local fishermen who took me out there. It was on an island that had a sort of regular trip out to, and it turned out was the Isle of the saints. It’s called the Isle of the saints. It’s one of those blesseds Welsh islands and a lot of myths around where Merlin was buried. It’s where, you know, it’s it’s called the aisle of the 20,000. Saints, I think. And there’s a sort of legend that there are 20,000 Saints buried there. And it’s a very, so it’s all a myths and legends around it. And I definitely, you know, was immersed in those at the time. And then yeah, then I was ordinary guy again. And so. So the guy came to pick me up at the end of the day. And I went home and, you know, tried to make sense of my life for the next seven years.
Yeah. All right. Wow. And then it is. No, it’s not i can i can imagine. Holy shit. So when you when you have an experience like that, because I remember having, like, he was talking about a meditative experience that I had. No idea was even possible. And, and I just couldn’t go back to normal life after that. Like it was, I was ready for it. Even though I didn’t know I was ready for it. I was scared of it. But I loved it at the same time. It’s like this whole mix of emotions. And then of course, there’s integration and going on. Did you know then you just had to write this book and get it out like was that I know, I didn’t
know anything. I came back. And then I had, as I said, I think I had a good seven years of life where I was. Okay, so I was I was I, you know, I was let it was like, I’d been left alone with this wisdom, like, leave him, leave him to it, see what happens, you know?
And I went, we use only then. Did you have any low points with us seven years? Or was it just? Um,
yeah, definitely. Okay. Definitely. I had mad points. I had low points, you know, I experienced depression for the first time in my life. You know, I, I had a phase of Messiah complex, you know, as you can imagine, I’ve given this knowledge, I had these memories of my previous existence, and I just saw everything. And, and, and, and so when I came back, it was hard to incorporate that into, you know, I’ll tell you a strange little bit of the story. I didn’t try really often share this, but about three days after I got back, and I was, you know, back back in my ordinary consciousness. I had to get up for my I was delivering something for my girlfriend at the time. And so I went to a little town delivering it to the stranger and I took this package, and I got the address, and I went to this house, and it’s, and it’s just a simple thing. And, and then the woman came to the door of this house, and she opened the door, and she saw me and she said, Oh, it’s you. And I’d never met her in my life. And I said, What do you mean? And she said, I’m medium, and I’ve been getting messages all night. I haven’t slept a wink. And it’s about you. And, and if I know this sounds weird, but if you come in, I’d like to cut some things to tell you. And, and this was like a complete, weird freak event. You know, three days after my experience, so I went in and, and she sort of drew the curtains and she was old school medium, you know, you don’t see many of them around nowadays, you know, like old school, like, she, I don’t she did she, she hadn’t been to any workshops or courses, she was just like, she was bought, she had the gift from an early age. You know, she was like this, you know, really bone Friday kind of woman, but nothing mystical about her, you know, although those huge man, you know, she was just incredible woman. Anyway, so she went into a trance. And, and, and then started to relate to me, a lot of the things that happened over the last three days for me that she couldn’t possibly have known and, and intimate details, including places names, I, you know, I was actually blown away, I was like, all the experience start to come back in me, like that consciousness start to kind of come back up in me. And anyway, so we kind of finished our session, I delivered the parcel and went off. And I was quite high from that for a few days. And because it was an external confirmation, it was external validation. And it was a strange thing that I think if I hadn’t had that experience, and I never saw her again, you know, and I never tried to see her again. Hmm, if I hadn’t had that experience, it would not have lasted. I don’t think I’d have lasted the course. Because one of my stages was denial. You know, time I went into denial, so I just want an ordinary life. You know, I’m, you know, I just want to be an ordinary person, you know, had, you know, it’s too hard this. And so I went into denial. So that didn’t really happen. It kind of happened. You know, I wouldn’t know what to do with it. Anyway, and but because I’d had that experience of the confirmation, and I couldn’t that didn’t stick for long that denial, because I just kept going back. Well, then why did that happen? You know, that? That was real. Yeah. confirm it. So I carried that it was like an extra little gift that the gods gave me that made sure that I carried on on my path. So strange things and make it sound like my life very mystical, and most of the time it isn’t. But that those days, those were bizarre experiences, the whole the whole noise.
Thank you for sharing. That’s brilliant, is incredible. And do you think the seven years you went through is was necessary to sort of almost take the experience full circle? If I don’t know.
I think it’s, I think it’s an essential part of like, transformation is the, you know, the integration phase. And there’s a tradition that integrated cellular integration, integration takes seven years, and because of the seven year cycles of ourselves, and, and it Yeah, I needed to go through all that totally. And I look back now, and it was very difficult time, and I needed it, and to kind of ground into, you know, find a way for that to take kind of come into me, and settle again, inside myself, which eventually I did. And then I got, and then I met my wife and got married and, and got very grounded and stuff and had a kid and my first child. And that really, actually, you wouldn’t think it. But that was the time when the teaching started to really flower in me, because I had this feminine, very earthy person, very real in terms of the world, not particularly mystically aligned, as I was, you know, spiritual in her own way, but kind of just a good, really beautiful gracious woman. And, and, and then we were just bringing up a child. And it was then that things started to kind of fall in, you know, I was grounded. I was in order. I was an ordinary person, but I hadn’t lost my extraordinary part inside. And so I was able to follow it and carry on and then I had a second experience, actually, but that’s another story.
Time Yeah. That’s incredible. So and it’s amazing. This is so the seven years and that’s coming in you got married, you added your child and then because I know you’ve read you’ve got this incredible book out called the Gene Keys. And, and from what I mean, I’m new to it right so I’ve literally just been glancing or preparing for the podcast and I did the the tests on your where you put your date of birth in and everything today and and it came back and I was looking I was like, Oh my God. That’s that. I resonated There were so many things that were said straight away. I encourage everyone to try that. But my point, I guess what I’m getting to is, well, how did that start to evolve? I’m just on your kind of Lifeline timeline here.
Yeah, well, part of my journey was to, you know, kind of, it’s almost like I was given, you know, in those first three days, I was given like a jigsaw puzzle. And I was shown the whole puzzle, you know, it was a living thing, I showed the whole thing complete. And, and all the individual pieces, and, and then it was all taken away. But maybe the outside was left, you know, like, done the borders. And I was like, Oh, my goodness. So I had the outside and then and then as I lived my life, piece by piece was given to me, you know, and often another person wood would actually be a piece, like my wife was a big piece. My child was a piece experiences where pieces, teachings, or teachers with sometimes pieces, big pieces. So one of the early big pieces, I studied a system called Human Design. I was very drawn to that through some, some encounters I had that were quite mystical in nature, like, like synchronicities. And it was and then I went to America to find the founder of that system. And very unusual man named Robert, who was incredible genius, and really strange man, though, and I spent a lot of time studying with him and, and his kind of crowd around him and learn that system very well. And, and other systems as well, like many of us, I, you know, explored the chakras and all these other things that I integrated them in the Kabbalah and, but for me, there were, I didn’t do a lot of formal study, I just found my own way with it as though I was remembering your and I had to bring all these pieces together inside me. And, and then, you know, that, that contemplation of all that wisdom started to give birth to something new inside me, as the as the puzzle started to form, and then and then I started to write this book, the gene keys, you know, which was a contemplation of the I Ching, really, Chinese e Ching. And that’s a big book.
Wow, that’s a big book. Yeah,
a lot of a lot of pages. That took about seven years to write it, actually. So that was another seven year cycle, writing that book. I took each of the hexagrams of the eaching, which would, which were part of the you know, which was the system that was sort of Central for me. And I studied also with a really amazing Chinese master called Hua ching Ni me, who I went to see in America, and he’s like a master of the I Ching. And amongst other things, and so I kind of got a transmission of him. And, and then another Taoists teacher, mantech, chia, who many people will know, very public, and I studied also under him for a long time. And that was more like, internal alchemy and things. So I in meditation, and then I started to write this book, and or it started to kind of come through me, as I contemplated these things of eaching. But I put everything, I didn’t have knowledge of it, like I put all knowledge aside, and I just let it come from within me, I would take a chapter, and I took them at random, they kind of came spontaneously, because there are 64 of these hexagrams, you know, the symbols and the eaching. And they’re, each one is the foundation of a kind of a worldview, if you like, an archetype and, and they and the reason it’s called gene keys is because our code, our genetic code, is made up of 64 codons. And so it’s a it’s a pattern that’s inherent in our biology, and in all life on this planet, and all life that we know has the same code. And, and it’s there imprinted within many structures in nature that we see. So it’s there in the patterning of nature, and it’s there in the ratios of the architecture of nature. And it’s also possibly there. Although, I mean, I know I can say possibly because I’m, you know, it hasn’t been proven yet by science, but it’s there in that it’s the foundation of Time, Time space continuum itself. That matrix of all existence is a 64 fold geometry, sacred geometry. And you want to see Nassim haramein for that. He’s a great
yeah, I’m doing my best to get him on his
legend. And ask him about the 64 when you get him okay and he will explain But anyway, so it’s an imprinted pattern. And so I realized I was going into the universal pattern in writing this book. So I took a, I took a chapter, they say was 29. And then I went into that code. But I didn’t use the traditional versions of eaching. I put it all aside, I went, Okay, teach me what’s the 29? You know, what’s it about, and I got three words for each one, you know, different levels. And that’s the fat foundation of the book. And the teachings of the gene keys is these three words for each archetype. So 29, for example, it has a shadow, they have shadow, which is the low state, the, you know, the victim state, and then it has a gift, which is the creative flowering, once we transform the shadow, and then it has a city, the city is a Sanskrit word meaning divine expression, or enlightened expression. And that’s what flowers out of the creative gift. So it’s a journey, each one’s a journey, Shadow gift city. You could say, seed flower fruit. And it says, so they represent the transformational journey of consciousness in all its different forms. Amazing. So 29, for example, the shadow is half heartedness. And, and so anything you do half heartedly is something that lacks power, and something that lacks the capacity to really be successful for you or to fulfill you. So don’t do anything half heartedly, yeah, did not do anything at all, then do something. And that’s, that’s relationships, that’s job that’s, you know, anything, you live your life, don’t live it, you know, if you’re living half heartedly in some way, then you’re kind of losing energy in the shadow is all about that. But if you can see that, if your awareness finds that pattern, then and spots it and kind of just sits with it, then you begin to kind of release that it’s hold on you. And maybe you’ll let go of the pattern or the relationship or whatever it is. And the gift in half heartedness is commitment, you know, so out of half the purpose of half heartedness is to realize you’re not committed, and then find something that you are committed to. So the beauty is that, you know, commitments incredibly powerful, you do anything in a committed way, you’re guaranteed to succeed at it. And even if it fails on the outside, you’re guaranteed to be fulfilled and get wisdom. Right. So and then the highest level the city is devotion. So you have half heartedness, commitment, devotion, devotion, is when you’re committed, and has no longer become a part of forcing us no longer become a discipline, it’s no longer it’s effortless. It’s effortless, and it’s certainly not about the thing anymore. Yeah, suddenly, you’re you know, so, so a relationship that comes from devotion, you know, I relate, you see those relationships, you know, someone that spent 20 3040 years committed to someone really giving their heart and learning or, or anything as well, eventually, they break through to devotion, you know, I said, Now whole level, this is like, wow, it’s effortless, suddenly, at suddenly everyone becomes the beloved. You know, everything becomes, you know, you know, this, this, this. So, that’s an example of what a gene key is, and they’re applicable. They’re all applicable to all of us. But they also, like you said, there’s a profile, which gives you specific ones that relate to your awakening, I’m just going to say,
Okay, is there like the roadmap? Because if you got 64, I know what I would do. If I have that book tomorrow. I’m like, right? Which one is going to relate to me the most at this point in time? Yeah. And is that where the birthday comes from?
Well, there are lots of ways into the gene keys. And the most popular way is through the profile, which was, which is where I kind of borrowed from human design the first system and, and because that was the system that connected birth time to the eaching. And so I used that as a as a way of a wonderful way of just exploring these keys. But in it, but I had a completely different approach, you know, and these, you know, what was revealed to me was these sequences of gene keys that relate to different awakenings. So there’s a sequence of these keys that relates to our awakening in relationships. So it’s only applicable to the heart and relationship journey, for example, and then there’s one that’s about prosperity. It’s about our success, financially. And in health. And so there are different areas that the profile leads us into. And there’s an unraveling and natural unraveling, that you explore. So when you come into the jinkies, it’s a journey. It’s a, it’s a mystical journey of unraveling of, of learning, it’s not a kind of quick fix, you come in, and you’ll, you know, you’ll be hopefully you’ll be hit for a few years, you know, you’ll be in it, and you’ll come in, you’ll meet the community, and you’ll explore it in your own way. Everyone has their own way. Some people like explore it solo, others like to explore it in partnerships or in groups, or in a community, you know, and through, which is very rich, because you have reflections and mirrors and people that, you know, and you up and a lot of there’s a lot of growth in that. So yeah, it’s a it’s a it’s a rich journey. And the profile is one way. And there are other ways in as well that don’t revert don’t involve birth time, as well. So
yeah, okay. And then I’m imagining, and I’m just speaking for everyone listening today, you know, there’ll be processes and practices to be working through. When contemplating as well, because I know contemplation is a big part of it. And assuming it, is it through the contemplation, it’s allowing it to reveal itself. Yeah, Shadow self, because we don’t even spot our shadows half the time because we’re running on so unconscious.
Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I want you know, after I’d written the whole Gene Keys book, and all that, like, and people were work, people started working with it all around the world. And I realized, you know, it was quite difficult. It’s a chunk of materials, it’s quite it, not everyone could get into it that easily it was it was for people who like the deep end, you know, who jump in the deep end, who love wisdom and really up for it. But people who, who sort of aren’t used to swimming like that, and just wanted to dip their toe in, I kind of realized it was it wasn’t easy for them. So I wrote another very short book, okay, which is, this one, the art of contemplation is very thin, it’s under 100 pages. And it, it goes right to the core, you know, it, it is the central technique. And I realized at some point, this is, this is the technique that unlocks wisdom, wherever you are, whatever kind of wisdom it is, is half of learning how to contemplate. And it’s the simplest thing, it’s why it’s under 100 pages, because it’s so simple. Anyone can do it, everyone already does bits of it, you know. And it’s not that hard to increase it in one’s life, that through a very simple technique. And the foundation of that technique is learning how to pause, as it has three levels, pausing, pivoting, and merging. And, and if you get the first one, right, the other two happen on their own. So pausing is just literally creating space in your life. And noticing things, right and, and noticing when a pause comes in your life. And there can be long pauses, and short pauses. And when you kind of begin to unravel, you know, this teaching of you know how to contemplate and you and you, you realize that you’re kind of, you know, what we realize is that, especially in our modern world is we don’t pause hardly at all, you know, and because we’re it we’re trying to get from A to B all the time. And it’s an it’s a straight line. And pausing is all about curves, it’s more feminine, it’s like take your time contemplation is not a fast word, right. So it kind of is a poetic way of living, that just allows you to relax. So for example, in the book at the back of the book, I give all these examples of ways I have learned to pause. So if I’m going one morning to work, let’s say, I don’t I work from home mostly so but if I’m if I if I have to go to work and had to walk through the town to get to my thing, or I had to take the, you know, the train or bus or whatever. If you’re a contemplator, then you would leave half an hour early or 20 minutes early or something in order that you could take a different a meandering route, a longer route, you know, or instead of take the bus you might walk and so that you could relax during that half hour. And you might go through a market and just listen and smell maybe stop and talk to someone you know, or you might go along the river and just listen and watch thing and when you get to work. Imagine the different state of mind you’re in then if you’ve rushed, you know, because you’d Left, left it just to the line, you know what most of us do, you got there and there’s no pause, there’s just this kind of rushing to get there, and then you’re a to b, and then you get there. Whereas this meandering, lingering sauntering energy is what actually unlocks wisdom, because you have time to take life in to listen to see your own thoughts to, you know, so it really is so simple. And, and I talk about harvesting pauses, because once you once you’re switched on, and you’re listening for pauses, you realize they’re coming at you all the time. And you realize that nature does it all the time. You know, like, if you if you’re out, listening, and watching and paying attention around you, there are so many, you know, a day filled with little pauses is a magical day, you get to the end of the day, and you just feel great. You feel like you’ve had space, you haven’t been in a rush, if you’ve had a problem or challenge, you’ve had space to contemplate it, to unlock it, perhaps its secrets. And that’s where pivoting comes in the second stage. Because inside a pause is the potential for a pivotal experience a breakthrough, you know, and if we don’t have the pause, we don’t have the breakthrough. So contemplation is a wonderful field is very easy to kind of adopt, you know, and that’s why it’s such a short book, it’s so easy, but I can’t my joke is that, if I’d written that book first, I don’t think anyone would really be interested. Because it’s too It’s too easy. But people are really drawn by the complex, like the main jinkies because it has so many concepts and, and, and sort of so much woven into it. Yeah, that we’re like, wow, that must be really full of some something deep. But actually, the little thin book has got the essence and with the weather is meant to go together. So anyway,
no w it’s brilliant. It’s triggered a few thoughts. One is like, it was interesting, because after my own personal experiences, once I had the experiences, I had this navigational point that I understood from an embodied experience, but I hadn’t actually put words to it, I hadn’t read many books, or things to it. And then and then all of a sudden, I was then drawn to what I was reading, to support my experience, if that makes sense. So I was felt like I was doing it the other way around. Where in the past, I probably had, in my mind, it was this really complex, difficult thing that I had to chase and get to, to, to reach to create my happiness from the learning of it all. But then it’s just been a really interesting dynamic to observe and myself. And the other thing I wanted to mention as well, because we have a seven month old daughter, so our first baby and I’m talking about pauses now I take it for long walks every day. And it’s just been a big part of my life now because that’s how I get it to sleep. She loves it, I’ll push her in the stroller and she she falls asleep and I go around the streets, like I’m seeing parts of my neighborhood and didn’t even know existed. You know, and it’s, and it forces me to pause because I have a business a company too. And, and I’m chasing I find catch myself chasing sometimes. And there’s, it’s like that dance of I actually let that go to allow to be with everything that I have right here right now. Which is I will my family, you know, but I still have that dance. Constantly.
Yeah, no. Yeah, it’s such a simple thing can change a life so easily? so quickly, as well. So
what did it feel like? When you accomplished and finish that book? I have to ask you, because it’s a complex book. It took you seven years to write.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I when I wrote it first shared it, I shared the first layer of it online with a group who subscribed and and then I and then so I’ve done 64 and then I went and then I wrote the introduction. Because then I will be written out how do I understand it? How do we use it? And so their introduction then I went back through it another couple of years and just gave it a second kind of sweep and pad it out and extend and the new parts came and I sort of, you know, like a garden No, I just really that they’d grown a bit inside me so I clipped a bit here added a bit there filled in and move something there until it was perfect. as perfect as it felt for me anyway. I felt like Okay, I’m done. Yeah, yeah, so it felt it was a big feeling Actually, I felt when I finished it and put the last full stop on it. I just had the feeling of like, wow, that’s some book, you know, I had a knowing that that book was going to last a long time. And that it would it had its own destiny and its own sort of dharma. And that it that it had a community of souls connected to it. Wow. And, and so I just I, that was a mystery for me. I was like, wow, I wonder, I wonder who’s gonna come? That was really exciting for me. So now people are coming, and have been continuing to come and have their own journey with that book. And it’s a way in. And it’s not the easiest way in for everyone. But it’s, it is a way
Yeah. 100% It is, yeah, I love the concept of the shadow, the gift and the Divinity that comes through. And there was a quote, I just want to touch on something before we wrap up the podcast, because within that, I often wonder about the suffering sometimes that we have to go through in life do you with that you think we are born and we come here to? Is that where our growth is because there was a quote I pulled off the website peace is hidden in the conflict. And I find that fascinating. I thought he was just a token touch on a lot of for me a little bit.
Yeah, I think you know, anyone that sort of reads that book, or comes and explores the gene keys, you know, you get the same message over and over and over again, imprinted wherever you look, because the gene keys are synthesis. So it goes off into lots of different areas. And people come to it like, wow, it’s just so many route, and it’s constantly expanding as well. But it’s the same message, which is that our suffering, our shadow is where the is, is here in order to help us evolve. And it is it is the kind of raw material of our evolution. And we’re in a current, you know, currently, humanity is in can ask you that, yeah, is in a transitionary stage of really ripening, you know, because that suffering inside us at an ancestral level is, is kind of ripening. And that means that we’re being given these opportunities to really kind of transmute it, like transmute all the karma from our past individually. And as a species. And this is very much in the book. And because you just started, you know, I’d recommend you read the 51st gene key, which is the sort of longest one is the most prophetic, it’s, it stands out alone, and, and its sister Jean Qi is 22, they kind of match. And the 22 is another long one. And it’s all about the nature of suffering, and why suffering is here and how suffering ultimately leads to grace, and it has grace hidden within it. But that’s a hell of a thing to say, to someone who’s deep in suffering, but actually, deeply embedded in every atom of suffering is the potential for grace. But it’s a journey to reach that grace. And then you also have to understand what grace is, you know, Grace is, you know, the transcendence of death of fear. And so that’s our, that’s what we’re ripening into. And so in the jinkies teachings is a very prophetic, but it’s for our time, these teachings of wisdom for our time, because we’re making a transition. And in a few 100 years, or 1000 years, or whatever it is, in time space, we are going to be a different kind of species where we no longer have to learn from suffering. In fact, the next phase of our evolution, calling to me and what I saw and experienced and it’s better than the teachings is we’re going to learn from bliss. You know, because there’s, you know, we have a whole period of our of our evolution where we learn from suffering, and the whole next period of evolution, we learn from bliss. And I tell you, there is many layers and nuances in bliss, as there are in suffering. And, and it’s just another whole epoch that’s coming. But there has to be a lot of clearing and cleansing and purification. And, you know, for us to make the transition to that next phase and most people just like to hear that they’re like, what the hell is bliss? But if you do any exploration into like, Indian spirituality, or you any realized teacher will tell you, that bliss is the nature of being, you know, and, and, and deep inside every human heart is embedded, endless, eternal joy. And I know that’s a tough one for people. But if you learn to meditate, or you go on these journeys and you go through the shadow material, and you begin to transmute it, that is the revelation, every single inner seeker will find the same revelation that deeply buried inside every human being is an inexhaustible wellspring of goodness and joy. And that is that is blissful. Because it’s the nature is our nature, our being is eternal, right? So our true home is eternity, that, you know, that is a sentence to contemplate a true home is eternity, you know, and then we break through the fear of death, we break through the suffering it all the walls of that fall away. And, and so that’s the spiritual journey. It’s the timeless spiritual journey. jinkies is just another set of routes through that timeless journey. Many people can do it without any structures at all those you know, but structures are useful, you know, scaffolding is useful
100% it is. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that’s so beautifully explained. Are you um… With everything that’s going on in the world? Like, Are you hopeful, you know, do you think we were kind of getting the message and moving into this way? Or do you think is going to still be a while?
Well, I sort of beyond hope for me, because it’s kind of moves into knowing,
and it you know, as I just said, like, that’s our base reality. So what, whatever happens, it’s taking us to that reality, however long it takes whatever journey it follows to get there, that’s where it’s going. And if we know that’s where it’s going, and if we can contact that place inside us more and more regularly, then whatever it looks like, on the outside, is just the scaffolding, it’s just the storyline. And that doesn’t diminish our empathy, or our kind of sense of injustice, or all those human virtues that we have embedded in us, because that’s then part of our journey, you know, that we’re the we’re the, the actor, or the actress that, you know, that’s those are our journeys to follow. If you feel injustice, follow it, you know, stand for justice, if you feel, you know, compassion, then you know, and service follow that, you know, follow the cities inside, you follow the gifts inside, you dig into those shadows, and and follow your specific, you know, cut, you know, where your costume Well, in the journey. Yeah. And yes, we are coming, we’re in a phase of just kind of chaos, where the outer systems are kind of beginning to fall into decline. And the earth herself is activating a higher intelligence in some way, in order to push us through the next phase, you know, and she’s gonna do that in lots of different very, very uncomfortable ways. Because, you know, awakening, it’s a birth, right, like a birth and birth can be, you know, testing. Any mother will say, but because you got to go through these contractions, these, you know, and it can be ecstatic. Yes, I know. It can also be very traumatic and painful. And probably it’s both at the same time. And, yeah, so that that’s what we’re in, that’s what we’re feeling. You know, the main thing is to is to work together to you know, this simple truth, pause often come into harmony, move from your heart, you know, timeless truths, and stay working work with community, you know, bridges. So I keep saying to one, build bridges don’t build silos, build bridges. Yeah, no, I
love it. I know, it’s simple truth. But, you know, we get it’s not so bad up here where I live up near Byron Bay, but you know, you go into the cities, people are just on all the time. And, you know, you can you can see how just having a pause and slowing down would have a huge impact in general. Yeah. Yeah. I got I got one last question for you. I always wrap up the shows with this, Richard. And, and that is, with everything we’ve covered today. Is there anything you’d love to leave our listeners to ponder on?
Well, you know, I think as I said, at some point, like the You know, we’re very attracted to the complex. And we don’t realize how simple things actually are, you know, the best things in life are really simple. So, you know, just that, like, if I like to keep things practical, and like, if you didn’t take anything from any of this, if you only took one thing it would be to go out in your day to day or your data, Morrow, and harvest some pauses, you know, look around, look at nature, listen to nature, you know, just allow it in a bit, allow some space, in the, you know, in your life, even just two or three moments, whether it’s use, you decide just to sit quietly and do nothing for five minutes, just that, that is so powerful. You know, and, and, you know, choose your time of day. And like that, you know, what I like to do is get up before dawn, just before the sun comes up, and just sit, I have tea, I love tea, little things of tea, I trick, a little bit of tea, and I just sit and I listen. And it changes my whole day, because I’ve had that pause at the beginning, you can also do it at the end, you know, when it’s when night is falling? It’s a magical time. And mostly, it’s a busy time. But if you said to your family or whatever, and you say, Look, I’m just gonna take like, half an hour tonight, is that right? Just Well, you know, just you do the supper and thing, I just want to go and sit outside and just watch the night descend, you know, and do you know, the simplest things in life are the most rewarding. It just connects us back to the source of being which is in nature. You don’t have to be outside even you can be inside, but outside is, is really beautiful. Because there’s something about the sounds that airs, the perfumes the changing light. And so pause, take some pauses and then see magic growing in those pauses. No, it’s like in your garden. If you’ve got full of weeds everywhere, nothing can grow. But if you clear a few spaces here and there, and then you just watch what happens. You’ll be amazed birds will drop seeds, and some of the weeds will come back. Other things will change. But then, you know, just create some space and see what happens. You know, that’s my parting. Perfect.
I mean, you took me back to my childhood, then I was like growing up near the forestry and the fields and the rivers and the fishing. As as it was getting dark. And I was fishing in that like it’s just amazing. Yeah,
that’s exactly. Yeah, simple. Things may change your life.
Yeah, totally, totally. Like everyone listen to the podcast, there’ll be links below to check out the gene keys. And like I said, be sure to take the the the, the free opt in that you have, which is all around the database. And using jinkies like I did it today was great is great. I’m gonna have a bigger reader that but are you on social media as well, or on
YouTube is my main one I got a lot, I do a lot of 10 minute short videos. But also a nice way to stay in touch is if you if you get your profile, tick the little box that says get the mailing. Once a week, we send out a called the pulse. And and what we do is we give you a gene key of the week. And it has a little image and a quote. And it’s not. It’s no and usually a link to a video I’ve just done or something or Yeah, and it’s a really nice way of staying in tune with what’s moving through the planet. Because you you get the jinky of the week, you know, so this, you know, it might be the this week, it’s the 41st chinky, which is the it is about beginnings, you know, it’s about fresh beginnings. And, and, and, and so it kind of each one gives you a backdrop. And it’s quite interesting because you’re in you’re then in this rhythm. And that’s what’s called the pulse. It’s your you’re in the past of universal pulse. And it’s a nice way to stay connected to you know what I’m doing and
yeah, beautiful. I look forward to keeping an eye on subscribe to that, too. So I’ll start watching the YouTubes for sure, Richard. May I just yeah, I have no doubt mate that was amazing today. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate everything you do. And I look forward to sharing this with everyone.
Yeah, and let me know how you get on as you explore it more and I’m really happy to kind of give you pointers and one thing I recommend is I’ve just released a little online course the art of contemplation, which is sort of it’s very easy and accessible. It’s only $35 it’s ridiculously affordable, and it’s So it’s a little online self study course where I’m reading that book in, in and there are pauses built into it for you little tasks to go and do like in your daily life. Just a little bit of structure. Yeah. So that you can you have the book, but you can also, you know, it gives you that little bit of an extra kind of encouragement just to take your time and try this today. And try this today. And then when you’ve done this, move on to the next thing, but have a pause first and those kind of things. So yeah, I love it. It’s nice.
Yeah, my wife me and my wife will be up for doing that with me. I’ll be
sure his employees on his right on the front of my site. If you go to the landing page, the first home page, it’s advertised, I just brought it out. And it’s it’s receiving a lot of interest because it’s so affordable, and it’s so simple. It’s a nice way to kind of get started.
Absolutely. Absolutely brilliant. avi Sure. Yeah. Thank you so much, Richard. Brilliant. Thank
you so much. It’s lovely to meet you and stay in touch.