#161 In this episode, Guy engaged in a fascinating conversation with Bruce H. Lipton, the author of ‘Biology of Belief’. They discussed the chaotic state of the world and how it mirrors the internal chaos within humans. Bruce emphasized the importance of awakening to thrive into the future and explains how the subconscious mind and environmental factors influence our lives. They explored concepts from quantum physics and epigenetics, delving into how our consciousness shapes our reality. Bruce shared insights on breaking free from limiting beliefs and underscores the importance of mindful living. The discussion also touched on the role of pharmaceutical companies, energy medicine, and the global state of affairs, emphasizing the need for a transformative shift towards cooperation and self-awareness.
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About Bruce: Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D., a pioneer in the new biology, is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. A cell biologist by training, Bruce was on the faculty of the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and later performed ground-breaking stem cell research at Stanford University.
He is the best‐selling author of The Biology of Belief and the more recent Spontaneous Evolution, co‐authored with Steve Bhaerman. Bruce received the 2009 prestigious Goi Peace Award (Japan) in honor of his scientific contribution to world harmony and more recently in 2012 was chosen as Peace Ambassador for the “Thousand Peace Flags” project of the Argentinian Mil Milenios de Paz.
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Key points with time stamp:
- (00:00) – They Want You to Stay Small — Here’s How to Rewrite Your Reality!
- (00:44) – Welcome to the Podcast with Guy Lawrence
- (01:38) – Bruce Lipton’s Journey and the Impact of ‘Biology of Belief’
- (02:30) – The Science of Consciousness and Epigenetics
- (05:36) – The Disconnect Between Conscious and Subconscious Minds
- (16:13) – The Power of Love and Mindfulness
- (22:49) – The State of the World and Human Civilization
- (27:14) – The Metamorphosis of Human Civilization
- (32:36) – The Role of Fear and Cooperation in Evolution
- (35:38) – Understanding and Changing Your Programming
- (37:53) – Understanding the Creator Within
- (38:03) – The Conscious vs. Subconscious Mind
- (38:37) – The Power of Programming
- (40:32) – Methods to Reprogram the Subconscious
- (42:18) – Energy Psychology and Super Learning
- (46:00) – The Influence of Quantum Physics
- (46:47) – Critique of the Pharmaceutical Industry
- (53:47) – The Role of Stress and Fear
- (55:46) – Personal Practices for a Better Life
- (59:49) – Final Thoughts and Reflections
Mentioned in this episode:
- Reverend Michael Beckwith
- Biology of Beliefs, 2005. A book by Bruce Lipton
- Quantum Physics
- Epigenetics
- Michael Moore
- Tony Benn
- Greg Braden
- Darwinian Theory
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www.brucelipton.com
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TRANSCRIPT
Bruce: [00:00:00] The planet is a mirror of the chaos that’s going on inside of us, and that if we wake up, not all humans are gonna perish here, folks, the ones that are awake are going to thrive into the future. The structure that we’re been living with is causing the extinction. So when the chaos that you see upon us as it is right now, guess what? That’s the structure collapsing. I said, humans, the way we’ve been living are killing ourselves and the planet. So there’s two choices. Continue what you’re doing and enjoy the ride out or change.
Guy: Hi, my name’s Guy Lawrence, and thanks for tuning into my podcast today. If you’re enjoying these conversations and you want to check out more of this transformational work, be sure to come back to guy lawrence.com au and join me as we go further down the rabbit holes. Enjoy the show.
Guy: [00:01:00] Bruce, welcome back to the podcast.
Bruce: I am so delighted to be here with you, especially all of, uh, my aie friends out there.
Guy: Yeah, well, it’s exciting to put. I’ve been officially, I know I’ve interviewed you many times in the past, but my personal podcast now is I just passed a three year anniversary and it’s gained an amazing momentum. It’s reaching lots of people and my intention for today is obviously have a wonderful conversation around, uh, everything that’s going on, all your experience, and I have no doubt it’ll come through. Uh, for all the listeners tuning in, I wanted to mention as well, Bruce, I realized, um. I’m not sure if you knew this, but you must do.
It is been over, just over 15 years since your book Biology of Belief come out, which blew my mind when I looked at that the other day. And the question I have for you is over those 15 years, did you expect that book when you released it to have such an impact on momentum and the conversations that are still happening today, [00:02:00] if not more and more that are ha that are coming out when you roll up? Well,
Bruce: let, let’s put it this way. My life had changed so profoundly from a scientific point of view, uh, uh, and buying into the nature of, uh, of, of spirituality as a scientific point of view, which I never believed in. And then my life had this profound change from, you know, the new science and I thought. If people could just see this, maybe they could take their power back.
It’s, I mean, I took my power back and I offered the science of how that happened and why it happened and all that, uh, in our personal creation and, and just, you know, to help our audience here for one second, um, that quantum physics is the most valid science on the planet, the one that’s been tested the most and affirmed to be truer than all sciences.
And I go, relevance is the primary principle of quantum physics, actually even from 1927 when it was founded, was that [00:03:00] consciousness is creating our life experiences. Now that’s mind over matter of course, as that’s what’s ha that’s what it said in physics as a, uh, as a primary understanding. And my research led to part of that because it showed how mind was controlling genetics and behavior.
Okay, so that was a broad statement from quantum physics. And then all of a sudden epigenetics was like, oh my goodness, this is a mechanism of quantum physics. Uh, and when I saw that and I said it was a very true story, uh, I understood that all of a sudden said, oh my God, we’re creating this not just from the, the idea of quantum physics, but from the idea of epigenetics and new biology and uh, uh, and I was so excited.
I wanted to tell everybody, uh, and I got a group of people together and I said, let me tell you this new science, because if you understand this new science, you create the most wonderful life. And the people in the audience selected me and would. You know, Lipton for a [00:04:00] guy who says, you know, this stuff, your, your life doesn’t look that good.
And, and that was actually the most personal wake up call in the whole world because I was essentially saying, well do as I say, but not as I do. And I realized, how can I talk about creating this wonderful life and not, I, I’m not an example of it. And I started to realize how to translate the science into behavior.
And once that happened, then it was like, oh my God, it works. It really works. And that’s when the book, I really wanted to put the book out because I thought if everybody understood this, understood this on their own personal level, it it was empowerment. Yeah. Because knowledge is power, knowledge of self.
Self-empowerment. Uh, and I saw this because I was a student of this myself. Uh, and I just wanted to give an opportunity and I hoped it would go far and wide because the [00:05:00] consequence of doing this understanding and living this through science, it manifested what I, what I’ve found to be true, which I never believed. But, uh, heaven is right here on Earth. Uh, but you have to have the consciousness, uh, and power to experience that.
Guy: So true what you say, there’s a few things there. ’cause we can certainly fill our heads with information ’cause there’s a lot of information out there. But if it’s not actually changing us at a behavioral level and we seen it show up in our lives, I wonder how much information can we actually consume and then we worry about which information we are consuming in the first place.
Bruce: Well, as you said, the the, the harder part, which is my experience as well, was yeah, I can educate the conscious mind really quickly. Conscious mind is very creative, but we live our lives from the programming of subconscious mind. So the original idea was, well, if my conscious mind becomes aware, so does my subconscious mind.
I go, no, that was the big failure because the two minds learn in different ways. So, uh, reading [00:06:00] a book, going to a lecture, uh, you know, just going aha. I can change conscious mind because that’s creativity, but it doesn’t change subconscious mind. Uh, and that’s the disconnect in our world, uh, because if you understand, oh, you want to change the program, you have to do it in a different way, then all of a sudden it’s like, oh, there’s a pathway.
Because the biggest problem is people say, yeah, I want to change my life. And they try positive thinking and they do all this kind of stuff. And it doesn’t change. It doesn’t change. At some point it’s like, I’m a victim, it’s not me. ’cause I try, it’s not working. Uh, and then we give up. And that’s so, so unfortunate.
Guy: Did you I I’ve had a many now, uh, like I think I’ve done 155, maybe 160 podcasts on here. So I, I get this incredible range of amazing people to have conversations with, like yourself. And I’ve had many different doctors and, and people coming out and, and some of them [00:07:00] have always had reservations because of their profession, and they’re worried about thinking what people might think or if I start. Touching the word spirituality and they’re gonna think I’m about, you know, but it, it always leads to they, they’ve come out. And I was really interested to know, was that like for you before biology belief or
Bruce: I, uh, you know, we’re talking about the conscious mind, which has creative wishes and desires versus a conscious mind which runs off of programs, experience learned, downloaded, et cetera. And when I was trying to write the book and I say trying to write the book, ’cause I started three times, I got, you know, ’cause I knew the science of it and I knew what I wanted to say. And it ended up with that spirituality in the form of quantum physics, energy fields. Uh, and uh, and I kept failing. I’d get halfway through the book and it would fail and halfway through the book and it would fail.
And then I met my friend who developed a process called Skay, which is one of the belief changing modalities. Uh, and when we tested [00:08:00] my belief system, which is my program, uh, it would not support writing the book. And I go, but we tested why, and the answer was because it would undermine my academic standing as a, as a recognized scientist doing real research.
If you end with spirituality, this is so far out of the field of science back 20 years ago, 15 years ago, that you can’t say spirituality and have it in science. It was like, no, that, that’s voodoo over there. So my subconscious was saving my career by causing me to fail. After the halfway through the book, I just wouldn’t, it wouldn’t go.
Guy: Wow.
Bruce: Uh, and, and I had to change a belief. I had to change a belief, and that was real critical because I knew what I was doing now consciously, why it wasn’t doing and what I need to do. Most people just experience that it’s not working and don’t recognize no wait. There’s, there’s an issue why things [00:09:00] don’t work.
Uh, in a world where we’re creators. That’s the first question. Well, if we’re really creators, why doesn’t it work the way I want it to work? And, and what I was learning, of course, was my subconscious had a program of being a scientist and, and there were the recognition na, nature of a scientist. And spirituality is not in the field. So if I end up with a book, uh, trying to take science and spirituality in a world that doesn’t recognize that it would’ve compromised my career.
Guy: Yeah. Wow.
Bruce: When I changed the belief, and then the most beautiful part was changing that program, all of a sudden the words came out, like it was gushing out. The words just came, downloaded and everything. It was downloading, you know, but it couldn’t download when the subconscious mind started to go off with the old program, no, this is not good. Change the program, and all of a sudden, a gush and the book came out right away.
Guy: Amazing. It’s so wonderful. Thank you for sharing that, because I think we can project ourselves onto other [00:10:00] people and say, oh, they’ve just got it in the bag. They just, you know, it’s, it’s come easy to them and, and all the rest of it, where I think we all have our internal struggles, our beliefs and things that we have to move through to become who we are as we, as we move forward.
Bruce: You know, and the lesson from the cells were very clearly this is that my consciousness, the picture in my mind is translated by my brain into chemistry. The chemistry of the brain goes into the blood and the chemistry is not nutrition, it’s information, chemistry of information, coordination of genetics and behavior and everything to match the picture. So it’s like a paint by numbers in reverse. There’s a picture and then the paint comes out, uh, and colors your body and your life to match that picture.
Uh, uh, and that’s all of a sudden where, uh, it becomes so important to recognize that. The picture that we have in our conscious creative mind is the one of wishes and desires. [00:11:00] And unfortunately, the programming that we get in our subconscious mind, which is working 95% of the time, that program came from other people who didn’t match your wishes and desires.
And therefore, 95% of your behavior in life is coming from these programs that you got from other people. And then you would go, but yeah, but if I was seeing I was doing those bad programs, I would be, you know, I would stop it just so it’s not me. And I go a, a story that I probably had with you in 20 19, 20 17, on, on the air, uh, the same story because it’s 30 years.
And that is you have a friend, you know your friend’s behavior very well, and you know your friend’s parent. And then one day you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent. So you offer. Hey Bill, you’re just like your dad. And then I said, back away from Bill. ’cause the moment you say that, inevitably Bill’s going to say, how can you compare me to my dad?
I’m nothing like my dad. And everyone laughs because they’ve [00:12:00] experienced it. And I go, I. This is the most profound message in the entire world. In one story, most profound message in the world. I go, what do you mean? Everyone else can see that Bill behaves like his dad. The only one who doesn’t see it is Bill.
And I go, well, where did he get the behavior from? I said, well, that was the first seven years where he downloaded the programs into his new brain computer to put grams into it. And he copied his father, and that’s the program. And then 95% of his life is coming from the program. And so he’s playing that father’s program 95% of the time.
But then he says, but he doesn’t see it. And I say, why not? Well, first question, why is the subconscious running the show 95% of the time? Instead of the conscious, which is the creative mind, this is the program mind. I say, why? And the answer is because conscious has two options to look out at the world and create or to turn inside and think.
Thinking is inside guy, what are you doing? Uh, you know, on [00:13:00] Thursday? And if it’s not written in front of you at this moment, and it’s not Thursday, and I say, what are you doing on Thursday? In a moment you could tell me what you were doing on Thursday. I said, where’d you get it? I said, in my mind, I said, where’d you go?
Where did you direct your consciousness to answer the question? I said, oh, I had, I’m not looking out. I’m now looking in thinking is inside 95% of a normal, average person’s life is spent thinking. So I say, so why is that relevant? I say, that means that the conscious mind, which has the option of being creative or thinking is now 95% of the time in thinking creativity is not the program anymore because the autopilot that takes over when you’re thinking to carry out the things, you can walk, you can talk, you can drive your car without thinking about it.
It’s automatic. And I say automatic, uh, subconscious. I go 95% of that behavior. Is coming from subconscious. I say, and why can’t you see it? And I say, why are you playing it? And the answer is, I’m [00:14:00] playing it because my conscious is not paying attention. I go, that’s why you can’t see it. And all of a sudden I go, so the idea, uh, that bill behaves like this, and then as a fronted by, what do you, what do you mean?
I’m, I’m like my father, uh, is, guess what? We’re all Bill. Every, every one of us is Bill because every one of us is doing this every day, operating 95% of the time from automatic. Not observing it because that’s how much time we’ve been thinking, what we’re gonna do next, where we’re going, what happened, whatever.
And I go and I go, so why is it relevant? Because like Bill, all of us are like sleepwalking through this thing, playing these automatic programs, but we didn’t put those programs in there from our creation. We put them in there from our programming, from family and community. And so those behaviors do not necessarily support who we are.
In about 70% of the downloaded programs that we did [00:15:00] get do not support. Our health, our vitality, our wishes, and our desires. I go, wow. Then I go, simple mathematics. Okay, 95% of your life is not coming from creativity. It’s coming from program. And 70% of those programs are disempowering and self-sabotaging and limiting.
And then you look at your life and go, yeah. And I go, how do you get out of it? And I say, well, you have to stop thinking. That’s called being mindful. I go, well, that’s very difficult in this world where you’re getting called on to make every action from a thought and response and interpretation. And you know, uh, uh, and I, and I go, so this is why, uh, the, the, let just shorten the whole story by saying the movie, the Matrix is listed as science fiction, but I refer to it as a documentary.
And the reason why is simple. Why? As the premise of the show goes, everyone is programmed. I go, that’s given first seven years of your life is programming. That’s science. Okay? [00:16:00] And I go, then what? They, but the cool part of the whole story was if you take the red pill, you get out of the program. Well, they didn’t really go fully into the meaning of that.
My life has experienced it for this simple reason. ’cause I understood one thing, which science has now backed up when you fall in love. Now, it could be with a person that’s most people’s experience, but you could fall in love with, you’re an artist and you fall in love with making pictures. You’re a chef.
You fall in love with making this most fabulous meal. You know, whatever, A gardener. So falling in love is when you, what science is recognized, and what I’m gonna say right now is you stop thinking when you’re in that moment of love and you experience it. I say, how do you experience it? I’m not thinking, I’m being mindful.
That’s the word I say, what does that mean? It’s like I’m being present, paying attention to what’s going on right now, and not taking my mind and going into thought. I say, so why is it relevant? I say, that’s the mind of [00:17:00] creativity. So I say, normally it’s only 5%, but when you fall in love, science is recognized.
90% or more of your activities are coming from your creative mind, not your program. I say, so your life could be blah, blah, blah, blah. What? 95% of my life coming from program, I fall in love the next day, 24 hours later. Life is beautiful, man. Life is a, oh God, I love life. Life is the most wonderful thing.
It’s heaven on earth. I go 24 hours. You went from blah, blah, blah, blah, and 24 hours. It’s like, heaven on earth. I go, that was the red pill. It meant that you stop operating from that creative moment by giving it to the subconscious to play whatever the programs are. You took over the control. A conscious mind grabs the control and manifests what it does best imagination, which is what wishes and desires, and all of a sudden I go, that’s the red pill.
Now, [00:18:00] that honeymoon period disappears only because at some point you start thinking, remember you met your partner, and both partners are operating from wishes and desires. Neither of them are playing programs, their wishes and desires. And I go, but when you start thinking and all of a sudden then life is not coming from wishes, dyers, now it’s coming from program, and I go, all of a sudden these behaviors show up and your partner’s going, where the hell did that behavior come from?
Who are you? All of a sudden it’s like a new person just entered the room. I go, that was the programming that you always live with, but you stop playing. You created the honeymoon and the more thinking you have to do because of life, jobs, chores, responsibilities, the more thinking you have to do, the more these programs start to come up and become the takeover.
I said, well, remember you fell in love with two creative conscious minds. Now you’re dealing with what two program minds. And if the programs aren’t the same, the relationship is [00:19:00] is blown out of the water. Okay? And it doesn’t mean they have to be blown outta the water, but the juiciness and creativity and the experience of heaven on earth sort of disappears and then life becomes life.
Okay? And so I just want people to recognize that that movie, uh, uh, matrix is real. That yes, we’ve all been programmed and 95% of our life coming from that program. And the moment you stop playing that program is the moment you create. Life of wishes and desires, but then you have to stay mindful and that’s all of a sudden where the whole drawback comes from because it’s like, well now it’s damn hard to stay. Uh, keep your mind present when you have so many thoughts you have to deal with to carry out your life. So then,
Guy: yeah, it, it’s massive. Hey, I, yeah, no, it’s beautiful. I, I think I, I heard somebody say once, um, love what you do, and then the dual, what you love will come. And to, to bring that in and harvest each moment.
Bruce: That’s exactly what it is. So I say, you stayed in love. Why? Because now what you’re doing, [00:20:00] your attention is so present because this is what you do that, uh, you’re excited. You keep that, that presence. So when you wake up and you love your job, I mean, I love, you know, I love my job. I wake up, it’s like I got a great job. And, and the job doesn’t have to be it either. The, the idea is I have a great life.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: The job could be sweeping up the damn bathroom at the station, you know, but the point is, what, that’s not my life. That’s my job. Then I have my life and I could, I could have the most romantic, you know, uh, Don Juan life, whole experience kind of thing over here and push the broom over there for, you know, that okay, that’s, uh, my contribution and then my consequence of that contribution is my gift is what now? Create on your own. You did that job, you could go home, create on your own. What do you want to create?
Guy: Yeah,
Bruce: so
Guy: exactly. You know, I, I think Bruce, like, on my own journey like this, [00:21:00] this work works, you know, if people are listening, because I’ve had to come over so many of my own beliefs, cultural beliefs, for everything to be on my path now, on my calling. And even to the point where about five, six years ago I had a, I was in a me meditation treat for a long time, and I have six days and I had a, an awakening, a huge awakening. And I, and I felt beyond my body. I felt like there was in this expansive state that I’m like, okay, I’ve read about this, I’ve heard about this, but this, for me, it was as real as me.
And I come back and integrated that back into my life and I thought, oh my God. Like what? Like, what is going on? You know? And it drove a lot of passion for me. And then it, it helped erode a lot more fundamental beliefs and things like that. And I don’t know whether I’m in my little podcast bubble and I’m having conversations that reaffirm my reality about these things and I’m just biasedly doing my thing or that this information [00:22:00] is, is getting out there.
And when I look at what’s happened in the world, especially over the last year, you know, going into 21 now, I, I, I still baffles me why these things aren’t spoken about conversation about in the information that’s being broadcasted in. You know, especially when you speak about love and obviously the opposite of that is fear and who we are and what, what we’re capable of.
Bruce: And it’s interesting ’cause there’s a simple dynamic here. Love is empowerment and fear is disempowerment. That’s simple law. Disempowerment means I’m afraid somebody else has to help me. Now I am, I’m, I’m the victim and I’m disempowered. I’ve got no power. So fear means you, you help me, whatever way you think.
And I go, well, you let go of the control in that point. Okay? Uh, and the world is, you can look at it and, and, and the, and the world is in chaos. And, and we’re, it’s not just COVID. COVID is just one of [00:23:00] things, sort of like climate change. And, uh, and people don’t even recognize the real climate change. You know, they always talk about the water levels rising and coastal cities.
Oh yeah, that is a problem. You want to hear a bigger problem, agriculture. I say, what do you mean? I say, you cannot depend on the weather to get from seeds to harvest when you don’t know it’s not gonna rain now. Oh, it changed. Okay. Oh, it got too hot. Oh no, it’s got too cold. And I go the, it’s not in it, it’s not predictable.
It’s gone out, it’s changed. So all of a sudden it says, oh my God, uh, yeah, water coming up is one thing. Uh, no food, that that might be another problem that’s coming up here right now. And I go, okay, so that, and I go, yeah, but there’s racial strife, there’s religious strife, there’s economic upheaval, there’s social disorganization, political screw ups, and all this going on simultaneously.
And I go, it’s not a coincidence. And I go very, very simple. Reason is this, human [00:24:00] civilization and its behavior, cultural behavior, the way we live on this planet, human civilization has precipitated what is referred to as the sixth mass extinction of life. I go, well, first of all, that must have meant there were five mass extinction.
If we’re in over six, I go, yeah. Five times the history of life. Li uh, planet life was thriving in some cataclysmic event, upended nature and caused mass extinctions. The last one 66 million years ago, lush planet, tropical forests everywhere and dinosaurs all over the place. And then a comet hits near Mexico, a giant comet.
But it really shakes up the environment and the, the web of life collapses and the dinosaurs are gone. The forests are gone, the whole damn thing. And 66 million years ago that happened. And now we come and we built it all up into this back, we’re back again. It’s a beautiful garden. And now it’s, it’s dying faster than in previous, some mass extinctions [00:25:00] earlier.
And I go, what do you mean? I said, we’re losing species of organisms faster than you can imagine. I mean, if you were alive in 1970 and they did a survey of how many animals were on this planet? Today they redid it. And two thirds of the animal life of this planet have disappeared since 1970. We’re down to one third of the population, 90% of the fish are gone and that they expect within by 2048, the remaining fish are gonna be gone.
And I go, well, what’s happening here? And I go, human civilization has upended the environment. We’ve, you know, raped and pillaged the planet. You know, we’re monocropping where that, that’s antagonistic the normal life. I go human behavior by science, not by me, has recognized that human behavior is the cause of a mass extinction that we’re experiencing and that humans are in that extinction process.
And that this is not a thousand years [00:26:00] from now. This is within, within the century, within a couple of decades. And I go, so why is it relevant? It says. Humans, the way we’ve been living are killing ourselves and the planet. So there’s two choices. Continue what you’re doing and enjoy the ride out or change.
And we’re being confronted with that. And I say, and guess what? The change is happening. You say, yeah, what do you mean? I say This thing as just collapsing and cra crazy and it’s chaos. I go, that’s part of the evolution. Why the structure that we’ve been living with the way we’ve been living is causing the extinction.
You want to have a different result. You’ve gotta chase the damn structure because the structure is causing it. So when the chaos that you see right now is, uh, upon us as it is right now, guess what? That’s the structure collapsing. And I go, wow, that’s scary. And I go, yeah, uh [00:27:00] uh, a caterpillar. Is the most voracious of organisms.
It put a caterpillar on a plant. It will eat all the leaves off a plant. And then I say, what happens? Then? I said, then a caterpillar stops growing and stops moving and puts itself in a cocoon. And I said, then what happens? And I said, well, there’s a transformation, a metamorphosis from a caterpillar to a butterfly.
And I go, oh, from the most voracious of organisms to the lightest touch of organisms. And I go, that’s a metamorphosis. Yeah. And I say, well, civilization’s in a state of more metamorphosis, why the voracious appetite of human civilization is destroy the environment that no longer supports us. So what are we doing?
We’re stopping. I mean, COVID is a good moment of like, Hey, you can’t do this anymore. Jobs are changing. You can’t do this anymore. You gotta rethink what’s going on here. Okay, we’re in a cocoon. I say. Go back, that caterpillar or cocoon made out of millions and millions of cells and cells are like miniature [00:28:00] people.
So if you were in a caterpillar body and all of a sudden the world that was growing every day and eating and moving and doing all the work, there’s no work anymore. No food’s coming in. We’re not moving the jobs. The cells start to, the jobs fall apart. The caterpillar’s body start turn into a soup of cells out of work.
There’s no work going on here. And then in the midst of them, there are a group of cells that have a wonderful name called imaginal cells, and they have a vision of a future, the butterfly, and what are they doing coordinating the soup of cells to form something new, a new structure. Okay, so I says, so why is irrelevant?
I said, you can look at today’s world. We’re in the cocoon. And you have, it’s not just falling apart, it’s also rebuilding. And you have two choices. You could focus on the one falling apart, going, oh, it’s falling apart. Or you [00:29:00] could focus on the one like this is a way to go from here into a sustainable future.
New technology, new social organization, new respect for women, and race and new recognition. Every one of us is a in the same body of humanity. And I see you have two choices at this very moment. Look at the chaos. Live in fear, which will kill you or recognize, I understand the chaos and I know that I need to be building this over here and move your energy into the up instead of the down.
And this is what we’re being called upon. And so in every country, I mean man, the fires that wrecked Australia, you know, is what was that Humans interfering with nature. It was only the aborigines that knew they had controlled burns. Why? If they didn’t do it on a controlled level, the whole damn thing would explode.
Uh, and, but nobody wants to follow the indigenous people who lived here forever because we [00:30:00] know better. It’s always interesting ’cause the original mission statement of science, which is still pretty much the mission statement from, uh, Francis Bacon back in, uh, 16 hundreds mission statement, to dominate and control nature science.
I go, how’s that working out? And I go. It’s killing us, man. Uh, because it’s not science. It’s really people that are capitalizing called technology. And that’s an unfortunate situation. ’cause we blame it on science. No. Science came up with a principle understanding it was technology. People said, how can I translate that into money?
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: That’s where the problem came from. It’s not the science that gave us pharmaceuticals, it’s the pharmaceutical company that saw the science and said, I can sell you pharmaceuticals. Okay. So I really get upset because they all, oh, the science and science. I go, no, science is right. It’s, you gave the control to the technology people that manifest matter from [00:31:00] that science.
That’s, that’s where the, it’s the technology, not the science. Science is giving us answers. Are we gonna listen? Which is what return to the harmony of the planet that the indigenous people knew and lived in. Because it was a garden and they took care of it. A garden is not a battleground, that’s what we turned it into.
A garden is the height of cooperation. I go, geez, that’s just the complete opposite of the competition that we have been driven by competition. And it’s like, yep, no, that’s not evolution. Evolution is cooperation. Ah, inside the cocoon, baby. Are we cooperating with the, the new one? And if you are successes in your life,
Guy: yeah, that’s beautifully put. You know, it’s funny, you, you talk about those analogies ’cause after hearing you talk and other people, I always think about myself now as that individual cell and my fam, my immediate [00:32:00] family of cells, and then the people in my community of cells. And then it, it, it feeds out and, and it helps. Give me power to think, okay, if I can actually be a good influence here, just like within my body as opposed to isolating something, and it’s all about me.
But if I can have a ripple effect that I can affect other cells around me, then hopefully that will feed into the, the bigger contribution. And like I said, it always makes me feel empowered by doing something like that, that I am contributing in some way as opposed to being stressed, closing down and closed off and not letting any new information in.
Bruce: Yeah. Well that’s what fear does. Fear is a close down. Fear is protection. Fear is, put yourself in a spore, put yourself in a capsule. Hide. I say you cannot survive in a spore. A spore life stops in a spore. Uh, and the point about it is this, you cannot stay in protection because it walls you off from the outside, be it [00:33:00] nutrition or information.
Assimilation, whatever’s out there to grow, you have to be open. If you close down for fear, well, if you’re being chased by a saber tooth tiger, yeah, close down for fear and operate a protection. But a saber tooth tiger, if you make it, uh, 15 minutes later, there’s no more saber saber-tooth tiger. Okay? Uh, and everything goes back to be better again.
And I go, but in today’s world, that saber-tooth tiger, for most people is chasing them 24 7, 365. They’re always like, am I gonna make it? Am I gonna get enough money? Am I gonna get healthcare? Am I gonna, you know, and running, I say that, that saber tooth tigers we created that. It’s not really there unless you buy into the story of competition. Darwinian life is a struggle for survival with a competition for fitness, I guess. Wow. That’s not the evolution is cooperation. That’s complete [00:34:00] separation. I’m fitter than you. Screw you.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: You know, as I, I said, well, that, that’s Darwinian, he wins because he wins. He could be Albert Einstein, he could be some jerk with an oozy. Go. Who’s gonna win that one? You know? And, and basically start to recognize, uh, we’re competing in, in a garden that is only based on the, uh, concept of cooperation.
Guy: Yeah. When, when it comes to stress. I’d be interesting to hear your thoughts on this because when we’re in the stress response, we only see more stress, like you said. And most of it’s not even real. It is like the saber tooth tag is not there, but I’m feeling it right now and I’m getting caught up and, and I have to do. How, what would your advice be to, to breaking them cycles? Do we have to break first to, to then self-reflect or
Bruce: No, you first have to self-reflect and then you have to say, now that I see what’s going on, what can I do about it?
Guy: Hmm.
Bruce: You have [00:35:00] to see what’s going on. Uh, okay. Because knowledge is power. You can’t close your eyes and then pretend that I know what the hell I’m doing. I gotta see what’s going on. But then I have to then change my behavior to not support an old story, but to put that behavior like you did into, can I take what is helping me and use it to help others.
That’s basically what cooperation is. I want you to be as healthy as I am. I want you to enjoy what I, I’m enjoying it. How did I get there? Oh, let me tell you how I got there. Uh uh. And so basically it says this, um. As we talked about, we’ve all been programmed. The computer that is the brain can’t work unless first you put programs in it.
And that’s first seven years of life is the program period. And the Jesuits have told people for 400 years, nobody paid attention. But for 400 years they said, gimme a child until there’s seven. I will show you the man. I say they knew the science. I’m talking about [00:36:00] why they knew that the first seven years of your life is download programs from family and community, and that the rest of your life is 95% from that program.
So they already were telling you, you are programmed. They were in telling people that already. Uh uh. So, uh, the fact this is not a new idea, but the reality is this, you have been programmed, most of the program occurred before you were even near conscious. When you were zero, you were programmed when you were one, you were programmed, et cetera.
And so I say, we need to get out of this damn thing. I say, well, the first thing you need to do is understand your program. I say, because it’s your program that is participating in creating what’s going on in here. So I say, well, how do you know what your program is? You weren’t, you weren’t there when the programs were installed.
And like, bill, you’re playing the programs, you can’t see ’em. How the hell do I know what the programs are? And then I go, very simple. 95% of your life is from the program. Your life is a printout of your program. I say, why [00:37:00] is it relevant? I say, well, now just stop for a moment here and look around and say the things that you like that show up in your life.
How’d they get there? I got a program to acknowledge that the things you want, desire, you know, wish for, uh uh, and you have to struggle and work hard and put a lot of time and a lot of effort. And the sweat, I’m gonna make all this, I’m gonna make it. I go, how come you’re working so hard? And the answer is.
Inevitably, you have a program that doesn’t support that reality and you’re trying to override the program with effort. I go, you don’t need effort to override the program. You just need to shut the damn program off. It’s not run from the program, and then Heaven on Earth is the consequence of it. So basically the first thing all of us need to do is say, where am I struggling? The struggling is not coming from outside. I’m not a victim of struggle. I’m a creator. So then I also say, oh, well then I’m a creator of struggling. I go, yes,
Guy: mm-hmm.
Bruce: And I say, well, then [00:38:00] what you have to look at is where or why are you doing this? And if you want to change it, yeah, you can change it, but you have to change the program and the conscious mind and subconscious mind learn in different ways. And that’s been the monkey wrench in everybody’s life because people look at their life and say, I don’t like this. I want a different life. And they have imagination and wishes and this is what I want. And, and then they struggle. And they struggle and they have wishes and imagination. And I go. That’s the 5 95 wishes.
Imagination 5%. If you make it 90%, it becomes heaven on earth. Okay? But it’s only 5% and 95% of the program. And I say, so I, I now have wishes and desires up here. I know what I want. I say, did that change the program? No, that’s the biggest problem because the idea was, oh, if the conscious mind can think about it, then the subconscious mind must agree with me.
I go, no, the subconscious mind is a different entity. It learns in a different way so I can create the [00:39:00] most wonderful vision of heaven on earth and everything I love. And I go, yeah, that’s 5% of your creative power, but 95% is coming from this program that you got from parents and family and community and school, whatever.
They put those programs in there. And I go, uh, and what about that? I said, this does not translate Conscious does not translate to subc. They talk a different way. I go, why? I said they learn in different ways. Conscious is creative point. Well, creative means I can learn it anyway. Read the book, whatever video, whatever.
I go, aha, just change the conscious mind. I say, what about subconscious? It’s a habit. Mind go. So I say if a habit changes, it’s not a habit. So the idea of the habit, mind resists change because the idea of a habit is I got the program, push the button. It’s always gonna play. And the subconscious mind where the habits are, a lot of people think [00:40:00] that’s evil.
I go, Hey, when did you learn how to walk Guy? Probably before you were two. Are you still walking? Did you have to relearn? You could be up to a hundred and you’ll still be walking. I say, that’s a program. You learn that before you were two. There are many good programs. When you have a good program, it’s wonderful because you don’t have to put any more effort into it.
It’s automatic. Okay? But you got a bad program, that’s terrible because you don’t put any effort into it, and it’s automatic. So I say you want to change the subconscious. You have to teach it in a different way that that subconscious learns. It doesn’t learn from creative. Read a book. No.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: It learns in three different ways. Number one, uh, first seven years of your life, the brain is operating at a vibration lower than consciousness. Vibration meaning putting wires on a person’s head. EEG Electroencephalograph read their brain vibration. Uh, different levels of vibration reflect different [00:41:00] states of consciousness. Theta is the first seven years that’s just below consciousness, and it’s also hypnosis.
So for seven years, a child is unconsciously downloading behaviors from all those around them to what? That’s the behaviors that create culture. That’s the behaviors that create family. How do I learn them? I watch, download ’em. Now I’ve already learned how to be a member of the family in the community. I, I didn’t even read a book I hypnosis after age seven.
No, you can still create new programs. I say, how do you do that? I go repetition. You want to play a music instrument? You didn’t just pick it up and play it. You had to practice and practice. You wanna drive a car? You, you, the first day you got in there, you froze. You maybe, but you had to practice and now you can drive a car without thinking about it.
Okay? Uh, you know, anything that you want to make, like into a habit, it’s practice repetition. [00:42:00] So that’s second way of creating a program. And the third way is, uh, expedient very fast nature said we need to learn to change our behavior quickly ’cause we’re facing an extinction in the immediate future. And so there must be better or faster ways to change a program. ’cause those first two are slow.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: And, and the third way is what’s called energy psychology. It’s a modality. It engages something equivalent to super learning. And I super learning, most people don’t know what that means. I say, well maybe you’ve seen somebody read a book where they just move the finger down the page just like that. As fast as they just did that, they read every word on that page. That’s using a super learning technique. Well, if you can use super learning to reprogram, then you can change beliefs that have been inhibiting you for years. You can change it. I don’t care. He is 60, 70 years old. You can still change that program very quickly using what is called energy psychology.
Uh, and just to give [00:43:00] people insight on my website, simple bruce lipton.com, under resources are 25 or more different versions of energy psychology. Just so you can see there are many different ways to get there. So there are three ways. Hypnosis, repetition, energy psychology. What do you want to do? Look at your life.
Where’s the struggle? Recognize the struggle is not from outside. It’s from the inside that I can rewrite that. So now I know what I’m struggling, so I also know what I want. So you want a program, not struggle. You wanna program? I want not actually, you don’t even want a program. I want. You want a program?
I have. I am already you. You gotta program the end picture, not the transition picture. Transitions. I want this. I say record that today and let’s come back next year. And I say, how’s that program? Let’s hear it. I want this. I go, oh, you’re still wanting, I go, wanting is a [00:44:00] character on its own. It’s not the destination that usually it’s gonna be a want.
So it is, I am, I have, these are the kinds of programs that have to go in as if you already have what you want, then the job of the mind is to take that belief and turn it into reality through your behavior. So, uh, uh, I say, yeah, just look at your life. Programs are staring you in the face, the they’re hitting you in the face, the programs.
Why? Because wherever you’re finding struggle, it’s not because the environment won’t give it to you. It’s because your program doesn’t support it. And now you know what to change. And if you know how to change it, then Heaven on Earth does not have to be a short honeymoon segment of your life. Heaven on Earth can be every day of your life because when you have your wishes and desires as programs, then 95% of the day they’re automatically what manifesting your program without you even thinking about it. Because that’s what you’re doing right now, but the programs you’re using may not be [00:45:00] giving you what you want.
Guy: Yeah. That’s beautiful, Bruce. It’s um. I think of it like, I’ll just reflect on my own journey. It’s, it’s a way of being, isn’t it? And the, I, I think that I struggled to remember what my old self was like because I’ve been kind of involved in this so long, like, like the old self was so familiar with itself. I just assumed that’s who I was and I attached my whole identity to it. But from doing this work and then layering, I now, and it’s still me, but it’s different me, but it’s just a different way of being and my mood, my attitude, my perceptions, everything has definitely changed even though I didn’t notice it like in one moment. Yeah,
Bruce: no, it actually, the only way you really see the changes to look back.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: In the process of change, you don’t see it because it’s live action. It’s only when you look back and go, well, how were those actions? Now you have review, you can see it. Yeah. In the midst it’s process.
Guy: Yeah, absolutely. I got, I got one little last thing I’d love to touch on, um, before we [00:46:00] wrap up. And that is, ’cause you mentioned about the new science of quantum physics. Yeah. And you know, I think you, you may mentioned this being the more studied science as well, but we don’t hear about it at all. You know, and we don’t hear about energy medicine, we don’t hear the effects of this makeup and this interchange exchange of us and Yeah. And it blows my mind really
Bruce: well.
Guy: I just wanted you to talk to that a little bit and what your thoughts are on all this.
Bruce: Very much. So what, what does the, uh, new science mean? What is quantum physics? What does energy healing side, let’s use that one first. ’cause that’s an easier one.
Guy: Okay.
Bruce: One of the, if it’s not the top, it’s the second top incoming, you know, income producing corporate. Corporation is pharmaceutical industry. Okay? They’re the top income of corporations. All of all the corporations, they sell drugs. I go, yeah. So what? Well, that’s ’cause I believe I’m a victim [00:47:00] and if I have an illness, I have to buy their product. I’m a victim. They’re the, he, they’re the seller of that product.
And I will buy, you know, it’s like, God, I, I mean, it’s just horrific because they’re not involved with humanity. Excuse me. Pharmaceutical companies are corporations and, and, and why I emphasize that very much is first law and law of I’m making a corporation. The first principle of a corporation is its mission, is to create a profit for its shareholders.
Whatever the hell its mission is. Its mission of a corporation is to provide profit. If it doesn’t do that, then it fails the mission statement and it, and court could be broken because it didn’t do it. Okay? So I say pharmaceutical industry is a corporation. It’s job is to make money. I say, so what? And I go, well, it makes money by what?
Having you [00:48:00] believe that the only way to heal yourself is through the chemistry called drugs that they sell at exorbitant prices. Okay. Uh, and it, and to me it’s like, it, it’s the worst criminal action ever for this reason. Um, let’s say, uh, my brother had Hepatitis C and, uh, the story like, well, you know, she’s gonna live through it, but it’s gonna shorten your life and you can’t do anything about it.
And then they come up with a pill. I go, wow, they got a pill for hepatitis C. A thousand dollars per one pill. How many pills do you need? Well, a year’s worth, actually, you need over a hundred pills. I say, why is it relevant? Then the prescription you just bought to save your life is gonna be over a hundred thousand dollars just for the pill.
I go, whoa, geez. She’s, well, 60% of bankruptcies [00:49:00] in the United States due to medical costs. I got Hepatitis C. Where the hell am I gonna come up with a hundred thousand dollars to buy pills? I’m gonna go bankrupt. I’m gonna sell everything I got. I’m gonna be on the road in a van. Okay, worst one, there’s a childhood disease, which is a neuro myo, uh, muscle neuro junction thingy.
And children that have this have a short lifespan. Uh, and they get to be like toddlers to some level, and then boom, crash. So here’s a woman who just gives birth. To this baby finds out the baby has this syndrome with a genetic issue where, okay. And it’s like old days, this baby’s not gonna live that long. Okay. New days, they have a drug, a genetic engineering form to take care of this. You my
Guy: [00:50:00] baby, you’re
Bruce: gonna save my
Guy: baby.
Bruce: Yes. It costs a million dollars to buy the drug. To buy the process. I thought they might as well put a mask over their face and a gun in their hand and say, you want that kid to live? Gimme a million dollars.
Guy: Mm-hmm.
Bruce: Like, geez. Are they worried about the patient? No. They’re worried about the profit. And I go, so why is energy medicine a problem for them? And the answer is, energy medicine reveals you don’t need pharmaceuticals to heal yourself. You just need to change energy fields, which is quantum physics. I go, so why is it relevant? It says, if you could put energy into a capsule, the pharmaceutical companies would be selling that energy drug at this very minute, but you cannot put it into a unit and sell it, and therefore it is competition for drug companies. The more you buy energy healing, the less you buy drugs.
So [00:51:00] the medical industry is led by this pharmaceutical industry, which is got its hands in the FDA, which is Federal Drug Administration in the United States is still run by these pharmac pharma. The the medical schools teach by funding and funding comes from big organizations like pharmaceutical industry.
So you teach what is in their interest. So medical schools do not fully go into this new area of healing and all that, that is fundamentally the direction we need. Why corporate interest? So that’s number one. And I go, well, that quantum physics is just more than just your own physical body. It’s about creating this whole world.
You mean I can be empowered using quantum physics knowledge in my life? I go, yeah, okay, then we’re not gonna tell you about it. That’s, that’s the leadership of the world. Well, we’re not gonna tell them about it. They don’t want us to be empowered. Uh, I, I remember movie Sicko by Michael Moore and there was a British parliamentarian, uh, [00:52:00] Tony Ben interviewed and Tony Ben said, outright straighten your face.
He said, governments do not want a healthy, intelligent population because they’re difficult to control. And I look at the world and I go, especially us where I, I’m old, I remember a long time ago we were something, we were the leadership in technology. We were the leadership, I mean in all kinds of things, education and everything.
And, and now we’re like the stupid country down near the bottom in the west. And one of the unhealthiest of all countries, even though they spend the most money, I go, we are living exactly what Tony, Ben said. He said that governments do not want you to have this. And I go, it’s quite unfortunate because the new physics, quantum physics is about a hundred years old, another couple of years.
So it’s like, okay, it shouldn’t be the new physics and it should be the most understood science of the entire public [00:53:00] because it is a science of your consciousness is creating this, and if you don’t like what this is, you can change your consciousness. And all of a sudden that freedom. What do we get out of it? Oh, we got computers and cell phones and atomic bombs and things like that. But do we get any freedom out of it? That’s not the side of the physics. They’re offering the public.
Guy: Yeah, and I, I remember, um, I think Greg Braden touched on it. He spoke about if, if they did have a best interest at heart and we were exploring science constantly, sure we would all be having a, a healthy discussion to move forward and not this separation. And then just putting the information out that they want you to hear at any one stage.
Bruce: Uh, uh, uh, most important fact is, you know, if we just stop the conversation, I’d just add this one more, I think very most important fact, and that is this, when stress hormones are released into the system, they shut down the immune [00:54:00] functions.
Guy: Hmm.
Bruce: They shut it down. I say, really? I say, yeah, it’s so powerful that when they do like a transplant of an organ, a kidney, a lung, a heart, that they give the recipient stress hormones before the operation because that will limit the function of the immune system in rejecting the foreign organ. I go, you mean stress hormones are that powerful, that it’s used therapeutically to shut off the immune system?
I go, yeah. I go Then what do you think about watching the fear that is propagated every minute of the day on news stations, which are not news stations, they’re now entertainment stations. ’cause they’re selling ads. Uh, and I go, what is it all about? It’s fear. The flu is coming. Well, it’s not flu. It’s called the COVID.
It’s coming, it’s gonna kill you. It’s like I’m a recipient at home. I just got fear. I go, why is that [00:55:00] relevant? Well, you just started to shut down the immune system. You are now opening yourself up for the fear to manifest itself. And as long as you keep people in fear, you control them. Because fear shuts off the, I’m open to the world, put you into the spore and then says somebody else take care of this.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: And that’s where we live.
Guy: The world’s going crazy sometimes. I do wonder, um, I, I’m aware of the time, Bruce. I just got a couple of little questions to ask you. Yeah. Um, one is, um, you, you, you clearly are very happy, loving, excitable guy. Uh, you know, every time I speak to you, I always feel fantastic at no call and everything, you know, I’m like, wow, what we just, you know. And do you have any, uh, morning routines or practices for yourself? Or do you just kind of live it these days and you just with it. Well,
Bruce: I, I did a lot of that, uh, reprogramming as I [00:56:00] mentioned, because I, look, I’m trying to tell people how it worked. I had to do it myself. Otherwise, I can’t say that it worked. And I went back and I started to reprogram the things that put me into the, I’m the victim. I’m under pressure. I gotta do this because of whatever cult, you know, communal reason. What if I don’t agree with that? It’s like, oh, I can do my own. Oh. And so I reprogrammed most of it. Uh, and Margaret, my partner and I, both understanding of the programming, both understanding that I might be Bill, I can’t see what I’m doing or saying, but it might be self-destructive.
But she, as observing me, can tell me that. Uh, and the problem is when other people do this for other people, then the recipient of the criticism gets. Gets really like, don’t, you know, I’m being criticized? And I go, well, that starts a fight. We’re, we’re, we’re not criticizing because we both know the programming is invisible and that if I can’t see it and she can, then she’s my partner and, [00:57:00] and as a partner, uh, she’s really free to say, you know, maybe that behavior just, it wasn’t the greatest thing.
Which gives then me an opportunity to review and go, no, I don’t like that behavior. Change it. So, hypnosis, repetition, energy psychology, rewrite it. And as I’ve gone through now with a lot of, we, we both came into this understanding and we both then have helped each other rewrite. And so the result is what now both of us are experiencing heaven on earth because both of us have cleared.
So what do I do every day? I live my life just normally 95% of it. I don’t even see what the hell is going on. But guess what, when I default to that subconscious, I know that the programs are running now are programs that support and enhance my vitality versus the ones I got programmed with originally.
That took away my power. So [00:58:00] that’s the fun part of reprogramming. Once the program is in you, there’s no more work, huh? It’s automatic. It’s been automatic all your life anyway. But the programs, they’re not necessarily supporting you. But that’s where we discussed. Well find out which ones aren’t and then you could rewrite ’em.
Guy: Yeah, no, beautiful. I, you know, I was only having a conversation the other day about, somebody asked me, do you think it’s always a struggle? And you’re always coming up against yourself and you’ve always gotta work hard and, and you, and you miss the, the beauty in from doing the work kind of thing. And I, and I think you just answered it then, which is uh, uh, well, that’s his
Bruce: belief system. You see, this is the pro, this is the issue with belief system. A skeptic who says, Bruce, you’re full of this and it doesn’t work, is right in their world because they decided that that’s not part of their belief system. And if it’s not part of their belief system, then they’re still back in some other place where they are.
But they’re right because if they try to change whatever without following [00:59:00] this thing, it’s not gonna work because they already disbelieve it’s going to work. And I go, well then a skeptic is right for them, but it’s not necessarily right for me ’cause I wanna have a different belief. And so therefore, uh, you have to recognize everybody’s right.
Uh, uh, Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company, you know the phrase, he said, if you think you can or you think you can’t, you are right. Uh, and that’s, well, that’s the bottom line. So a skeptic, in my opinion, skeptic said, Bruce, you’re so full of an I go in your world, you do what you. In my world, I’m gonna do and believe what I want. And it seems like I might be happier than you, Mr. Skeptic.
Guy: Amen to that. Um, last question, Bruce. Everything we’ve covered today, you know, um, and I think about the year that’s been had and moving forward and everything, is there anything you’d like to leave our listeners to ponder on? [01:00:00]
Bruce: Yeah, uh, I would like to say COVID, if I can say this and I’m gonna say this Bruce Lipton personal message. You don’t have to believe anything I’m saying, so I can now say something. Okay. And I wanna say something is that we have been accused, uh, confusing the virulence of the virus with the weakness of the patient. I get what I mean. I say COVID has got a, it’s a real thing. You can get a flu and it’s harsher than any flu you may have had in the past, but it’s not life threatening.
If you’re not in a comorbidity situation, meaning you have something in your health that’s already affecting your immune system, uh, and that’s now interfered with your ability to make a response. So there are people that are healthy and there are people with comorbidities, things like overweight, okay?
Uh, people with a cardiac issue already, people that have cancer, people that already have problems [01:01:00] already, uh, in America, which I have the data for, which is why so many Americans are dying. 60% of Americans have one comorbidity that’s not, that’s interfering, but that’s not the problem. 40%, four out of 10 Americans have a total of 2.7.
Comorbidities between two and three, whatever, two or three overlapping simultaneously. I go, why is that relevant? I say, one is a compromise, two is serious, and three is like, you’re already counting out, man, you already got a problem. And I say, why is it relevant? Because 80% or so or more of the people get this thing and have that extended flu, which they don’t wanna call it because they wanna make it a fearsome item by itself.
Don’t call it a flu. It’s COVID, COVID viruses. The coronaviruses have been around here for a million years, man. This is just a version that we haven’t had in our human [01:02:00] population, and so that’s why everyone is susceptible. It hasn’t been in this population, so everyone’s open to it. And I go, yeah. I says, is everyone gonna die?
Because that’s the fear that is being propagated. I go, no. Matter of fact, 80% or more of the people just have the flu. They don’t even go to the doctor or go to a hospital. They manage it. I go, so why is it relevant? I said, the fear of the flu is more dangerous in my mind than the actual flu itself. And I say, well, dangerous itself.
And I go, well then first you have to do personal assessment. Do you have co comorbidities? Do you have a heart issue? Do, are you overweight? Do you have, uh, diabetes? Do you have these, any of these other things? Why? Well, you have to start adding those things up and saying, man, I’m susceptible. But if you don’t have these comorbidities, yeah, I’m susceptible, but it’s just gonna be the flu and I’ll manage it.
And I say, but the fear shuts off the immune system stress [01:03:00] hormones, and the fear is being sold rampantly. Oh, you’re gonna get it this way. It’s gonna come this way, and this is gonna happen to you and you got five different things that are gonna happen and this is gonna kill you. And I go, I go, shut up.
Because what you’re doing is feeding a weakness that you already told people that we’re susceptible to this and it’s gonna get you. I go, every year is flu season and every year people die. Yeah. A lot of people are dying this year. I go, well, a couple reasons. A, this flu has never been around before, so everyone is susceptible to it and B, the human population in a state of collapse of civilization is weakened. The food we eat is industrialized garbage. Okay.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: The animals and plants that are stressed as hell to provide for this, to make the, you know, the dollar and all that is compromised. The, the value of all that. Then you throw the [01:04:00] fear in of this and the fear of that you can get this and you could lose your job and you don’t have any money to pay for this. It’s like, oh my god, you know, lockdown, oh my God, some people can’t afford to live week to week without the paycheck. And then you lock them down. You tell me if that stress isn’t gonna shut off their immune system. I say, you bet it is. And then you find out, wow, who are the more susceptible people, the weakest ones in the community.
Of course. And, and that comes down to, uh, class, like in the us the blacks, they, they don’t have the, the, you know, they’re already the weakest ones and now you’ve got throw that on top of them. Okay. Uh, and, and we have to wake up now. And the wake up is this, I want to be healthy. Yeah. But that hasn’t been a mission.
When you go to the doctor, it doesn’t say, listen, before I give you the pill, I want you to do all these exercise things and eat this way, and I want you to stay healthy. And then I’ll give you the pill. No, no, no. Here’s the pill. Maybe you should take care of yourself. I go, what [01:05:00] do you mean first? Take care of yourself.
Take a pill later. And, and the reality is, that is not the mission statement. A doctor doesn’t really emphasize, if I give you a prescription for the pill, I want you to follow this prescription to get healthy. I can’t help you if you’re not healthy and the pill’s not gonna help you either. And yet the idea, are they selling health first?
No, first, they’re selling the pill. The health will come later. I go backwards. It’s totally backwards. We have to take care of ourselves. Eat healthy, eat organic, eat, do exercises, do move, get the circuit. You gotta use this machine, use it or lose it. That applies to every part of our human body, from mind to toes. Use it or lose it. We’re not being encouraged with the idea of this, we’re not in harmony, we’re not in health, and the planet is a mirror of the chaos that’s [01:06:00] going on inside of us, and that if we wake up, not all humans are gonna perish here, folks. The ones that are awake are going to thrive into the future.
Guy: It’s fascinating. Bruce, thank you for sharing all that. Uh, because you don’t hear in the media at all about the immune system, how to take care of it, what, what action steps we could do and to be supporting our own health, like it’s all fear. I, I often ponder, and I don’t know whether this is I, my thoughts going off, but I wonder sometimes if, if COVID was never mentioned in the media from the start and it just kind of went through and. Without the, the microscope, what would’ve actually happened to the results of the human population as as it went, and how much that’s contributing, you know?
Bruce: Well, it sure as hell wouldn’t be the percent of people that are affected by it as of today, but today, as I said, it isn’t just their own personal stress from the fear of COVID. It is a stress at [01:07:00] every level of survival.
Guy: Yeah.
Bruce: Everyone has to go out and get a, you know, the income, uh, the income is a measure of survival. And if your income goes down, down, down, and you’re living at the very edge, you’re already at the edge of survival. And the idea is you don’t need just push the COVID on top of that top, and then it’s the last straw.
It’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back, so to speak. So that last straw is like, I needed that, and, and, and, and the fact is it’s not, I don’t know where it comes from outside of number one, greed. Number two, it’s an expression of Darwinian evolutionary theory, which allows for what? The elimination of the non, you know, the, the, the, the weak ones, which it says, in fact, you should support this.
What do you mean? He says overpopulation, which is from Thomas Malthus, uh, which gave us a belief that there will never be enough. Uh, uh, [01:08:00] overpopulation, uh, is, is uh, part of a Darwinian theory that says that’s why the other ones die. They were not fit enough, so allow them to die. And I go, you can have like 2 million ab you know, people in, uh, in Africa die of starvation.
Everybody goes, oh, that’s Darwinian. I go, what do you mean in Darwinian? I said, human civilization. What the hell are you talking about? Because Darwinian theory is wrong. But if you practice Darwinian theory, the fullest out practice of Darwinian theory, Nazi Germany took that as a science book of what?
Racial extinction, you know? Mm-hmm. Uh, superiority of this genetics over that, genetics and all that. And I go, that is Darwinian theory. Get rid of the weak ones. They decided who was gonna weaken and kill them before they got there. Okay. Uh, and and the idea about that is this is anti-evolution. Evolution is cooperation.
And, and what I’m saying is, are we in a situation because [01:09:00] they’re conspiracy to control like that? Or is that controlled because of like the money, or is that controlled? Because honestly the science that they are programmed with Darwinian theory says, this is what we would do with an overpopulation. And I go, I don’t know which way to look at it, you know, because both, uh, I did it for the money. Or I did it because I wanted to save civilization are both creating the same conclusion. And I don’t trust a drug company. So number one, I got a problem right there.
Guy: I, I don’t know how many people do anymore. Yeah, no, there’s plenty upon drawing. Bruce. Um, if anyone was to get more of your work, there’ll be a link below the show notes, but if you could say it out loud as well, the best website to check you out,
Bruce: it’s really wonderful. There’s a, a website which is so simple. Bruce lipton.com. It’s a new website just in last one. I saw that.
Guy: Yeah. Uh,
Bruce: and it’s got a community section to it [01:10:00] where people that, uh, want to share their histories, whether they be medical or social or whatever they want to share with the community, uh, using the science and having conversation. This is great. This gives them an opportunity to talk to people about issues. I have a kid that has this and then somebody can write in and say, yes, and this is what we did and, you know, they can share this information ’cause uh, sharing knowledge is sharing. And so I’m happy about that because it, it gives power back to the person on the web to make a communication that could help other people as well.
Guy: Amazing. Amazing. Bruce, thank you for everything. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for all that you do.
Bruce: Oh,
Guy: and being a voice out there, you know, you’ve been a huge influence, influence on me over the years and. And it, I’m just grateful to be able to do this and pay it forward in other ways as well. So,
Bruce: well, I A, I’m thankful for your, uh, focus that the, that this is a, to your mind, has relevance to it, but b, I also [01:11:00] thank you for your effort to bring this out into the world, which means the audience that is gonna watch this, I want to thank them because by paying attention to this program, they become what I call cultural creatives that can change the world because the thinking is not gonna be found in the box that is collapsing.
The thinking is outside that box. And so I want to thank you for being a, uh, a broadcaster clarion of this outside the box thinking, because it is the way to thrive into the future, not survive, but thrive. And I, I hope we all do that because the more people that do. The more this actually is heaven, which I think it is
Guy: a hundred percent. What a beautiful place to end it. Thank you, Bruce. Thank you.
Bruce: Thank you. So appreciated guy.